My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 47 - Live at The Bell House

Episode Date: December 15, 2016

On a live episode of My Favorite Murder in Brooklyn, Karen and Georgia tell the stories of New York's Torso Killer and the murder of Imette St. Guillen. Plus guest Jamie Lee shares the murder of Dee Dee Blanchard and the boys from Last Podcast On The Left tell their hometown murders.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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did it. Yeah, we were like, it doesn't matter. We should do probably a small intimate. We're really excited about this. We have a guest, a murdering story. That's right. And we might have a surprise guest later. What? It's not a surprise. Get ready for the huge surprise later. Tom Cruise is a surprise. Oh my God. Tom Cruise loves killing. You know he does. For sure. I bet the way if Tom Cruise was a murderer, he would just bite people to death. You know, he's got some fucking titanium teeth like hidden in there. I think next time we should ask for like wireless Janet Jackson mics so we can just really roam the stage as we clearly want. Yeah. Do some black cat before we actually sit down. Can I get some murder in my mind? I would just want to show

everybody. I don't know if you know, but we were at Sephora earlier. Hence all the makeup on my face. I have so much lipstick on right now. This is the closest I could get to the crown Elizabeth lip color. Thank you very much. Thank you. Oh my God, I'm not going to tell you. Wow. Fucking hate that. I mean, it's mine. The fucking audacity. I'm kidding. You're sweet. I love you. Are you be anchors or what? That's my friend Millie saying the anchors. Hi, Millie. We actually were in Sephora, a very crowded Brooklyn Sephora, and I was squatted down putting every color of lip and eye thing on my face. And Georgia had immediately broken off from me and begun to get a makeover. And I one point I crossed an aisle and there was just a woman doing this and Georgia

just standing there getting her face brush. I actually kind of hated it because I was like, what color batch is me? And I want you to hand it to me. I don't want you to use your fucking brushes that you've done every fucking person in the world for the past fucking 24 hours, like maybe put some alcohol on it. And I'm like, I just was like, I'm breaking out as we speak. You pulled it off. Well, I thought you were really enjoying yourself. I just didn't want to hurt her feelings, but I wanted to be like, don't touch me with that. Don't touch me. Well, yeah, it's Sephora. There's going to be there's going to be a germ issue for sure. But also, you know, what I don't like is like they ask if they can help you. And I do want a very specific kind of

help. Yeah. But I don't want I they always try to get you to let them do your face. It's like, no, I just want to know the exact number of the top lip line. I'm talking. I wanted to. She was like, well, first take your makeup off and then come over here. No, fuck. Get out of here. No, I know. I was like, just put it on top dude. Like that's what I'm going to do. Anyway, so you broke off to have that happen to you. I was off by myself squatting like a fucking weirdo. And then I hear, you know, like when you're in a public place, I don't know if you're like me in a public place, if I hear someone go like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I never think it's to me and turning and gave me the she did one of these of like, don't fucking, you know, like,

she didn't know was I was talking about her. No, I just don't I don't like shouting and and the girl goes, oh, she just gave us a dirty look. The girl who had been like, I'm a huge fan of the podcast. And I was like, fuck you. I'm looking at eyeshadow right now. But I just thought it was a teen shouting in a public place. And I wanted to show them that that's not allowed. And instead it was a girl who worked at Sephora, even better, a girl who worked at Sephora who liked our podcast. And like, how do you know that we aren't person because of our lip colors? She knows our shit. It's crap. It was super fun after I stopped being super bitchy to her. I was just at dinner down the street and these two sweet girls at the table, like,

they weren't even obnoxious. They were like, hey, we're going to go see a show in a minute. Now they're fucking obnoxious. Everyone's here. Everyone's watching because I sugar them up because I bought them fucking chocolate cake. What the fuck is wrong with you? I was like, send them some cake. Do you know them? That's so Hollywood of you. Big timing. I'll send you cake. I can afford $8 cake. Yeah. Eat that cake. Eat the fucking cake. Eat the cake. Eat it. That's not a mic. That's a beer. Eat her cake. Eat the cake she sends to you. Guys, anyhow. Anyhow. We got to go. Live show corner. Oh, Karen. It's fine. It's fine.

You have a life saver. This is just a mint in case I get worried later on. It's weird. Gotta have that shit with you. We should have asked for some kind of a break point up there. Like what? A private shelf sneeze area they couldn't see through so we could have all our secrets. What if we have a fucking frame photo of Stephen and the cats up there? Is that weird? Could you imagine how great this Christmas would be? Sorry. He actually has babies in the cats. I feel like every time we do a live show when he has babies in the cats, it's like how it should be. That's right. Him away and us here. We are drinking in all the glory and him doing the work like Cinderella. Yes. Yes, Damon. I'm going to start calling him Steve from now on.

Steve. Because he's such a like, if there's anywhere in the world he belongs, it's like Brooklyn. He's got the like, he's got the like uneven hair and a tiny borderline Hitler mustache where I'm like, that could be problematic if you lived anywhere else. He's such a Stephen. So calling him Steve would be such a fucking insult. It's like Steve. Jean jacket much Steve. Pick me up in your dad's truck, Steve. Anyway, it started snowing in New York. Thanks you guys. I had better hair earlier, but then the snow came. I have really cute coats that don't do anything. Georgia. When I met Georgia today. This is the first time we met. We met and we really get along. I met her on the street corner and she is wearing the thinnest. I think it's a coat that Jane Fonda

wore in Clute. Like it's just, it's just a very thin body shaping a taupe colored. It's like where in the world is Carmen Sandiego coat? Yes, but with a smaller lapel. And I was like, are you dying in that coat? What are you doing? No, she doesn't give a fuck, you guys. I do give a fuck. I just act like I don't. Oh, that's the secret to not giving a fuck. Oh, okay. You do just feel it deep down inside. Yeah. What if we were already getting the light and it now you guys fucking cut you guys end on a high note. That's kind of low. Bye. We just kind of updated you on our day. Bye. And then we're going to leave. Oh, oh, I went to a bar on Friday night called the Vince. Where's Vince? What's it called? He's not even fucking here. He left your own show.

You have to get divorced. What? Madeiros. Madeiros. Thank you. I don't know. That is not her husband. So I was at this bar. I think it was in Cobble Hill. It was kind of a divey bar called Madeiros. And we ended up talking to locals, which is only a thing you do in Brooklyn. It was the coolest people. And the fucking old-timer alcoholic dude who was so cool was into serial killers. And then this couple comes in and you can tell they've been there a lot, but they're cool and young. And he was a fucking criminal defense attorney. What? A cute little baby with like dimples. And his fucking girlfriend who was like so cute, like this cute little hipster was a fucking, she was a forensic, what is auditor? A what? A forensic auditor. She's fucking, she audits shit and then

she does taxes for dead people? What? No, she doesn't have taxes. And then she's like, you're going to jail, you fucking bad man. So a company is like, this guy's doing something wrong and she comes in there and does the books. And I'm like badass, like chicks are good at math. Fuck you. We're not. But like, fuck you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you saying to me? Fuck you. What are Roman numerals? I don't know. No one knows. So it was just like the best. And they were so cool. What is forensic about auditing, though? Well, forensic just means it's law. So it's one like, I know. I wanted there to be like a bone in a file or something. It's like, what? This is part of a spine? One heart plus one lung and six

tabloons equals eight things. You're going to jail, motherfucker. No, it's just like, I mean, I felt bad for her. She just had to sit in a room and you know, like whether like calculator. That seems fun. Don't feel bad for her. They were, but it was just like, it was such a fuck it. It was so great. You just got to have a real human experience with people who are obsessed with fucking deathy things. God bless. I know. I mean, that's us, right, everybody? We have murders here. And then we have a third person to present a murder. So we should bring her out now. She is our very good friend. You may have seen her on girl code. You may have seen her stand up all over the nation. I think you may have already preordered her book. Oh, that's

right. Wedelicious and unfilled your guide to be in a bride. I've done that. You guys been a bride? It's fucking terrifying at all. What? I was just thinking about when I was and I failed miserably soon after. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you guys. Why is that sad? Here's Jamie Lee. Jamie Lee, everybody. Love you. Love you too. Oh, my God. So, phony, let's sit down. This is getting weird. Oh, my God. Hi. Am I not supposed to be in the middle? This is aggressive, this microphone. Okay. Angle that on down. It's a little bit in our faces. Let me go ahead. Okay. I just bopped mine and it didn't move because that's not how mics work. Does this feel kind of like we're at South by Southwest? On a panel. Giving a panel about how CDs don't exist anymore?

Guys, I brought you a gift. What? Yeah. Stop it. This is for both of you. What is it? You'll say. It's a kitten. What is a kitten? That's actually not far off. So, because Elvis, he can't travel, he's at home because cats don't travel well. I got you an Elvis understudy to bring with you on the road. Let's see it. It's Patsy, the podcast El Paca. Yeah. Isn't she pluffy? Isn't she an El Paca? Patsy. Do you know why she's named Patsy? No, why? Patsy. Jean Benet Ramsey? Yeah, or Mom Benet Ramsey. So you pack her with you and she'll bring you lots of luck and also get fur all over your clothes. Pack her in our suitcases. Yeah. Over we go. Oh, my God. Sorry. I just like in her fur,

it's just like dashing the lights. It's like the snow outside. I just like to tell a quick anecdote about when, so Jamie Lee and I sometimes take our dogs to the same dog park in Los Angeles and we ran into each other there and she was asking me about this date and this was a couple months ago and said, because she was going to be in New York at the same time and she was like, what, when is it? Because I don't want to go to that show. And I go, why don't you be the guest? And she goes, oh, my God. Like that. I like, I wish I could explain, sorry, that was really hard, but I wish I could explain her fucking one direction reaction when I asked her to be the guest. It was the sweetest thing of all time. And then you texted me and you're like, hey,

is it cool if Jamie is the guest? I know. Because I already told her she's the guest. And I was like, of course. No, no, no. You were like, hey, how about Jamie Lee is the guest? And I'm like, yes. And I'm like, good, because I already told her she's the guest. Yeah, I already asked. Yeah, it was thank fucking God. What if I was like, no. And here you are. Is this right? I don't know. I think super high. Oh, this feels good. Should we do it? Should we go ahead? Should we? Let's get underneath it. That's very tall. Yes. I don't know what, I don't know how we, and what do we even? Everyone listen. Oh, yeah, I like it up there. We're like directing at home is like, what is happening right now? You're missing nothing. There's a lot of mic work going on. Yeah.

So who goes who goes first in the situation? Let's make the guest go first. No, not fucking me. You go first. I don't know what I'm doing. Go first. Really? I told you, they're so nice. Okay, guys, are you going to be mad? Am I going to be? I'm like, no. And then afterwards, I'm like, Karen, can I talk to you in that really small bathroom back there? Should we do one of us and then Jamie and then I would love that. Okay. Yeah, clearly. I would love that just to get in the zone, you know, gotta warm up. Looking for a better cooking routine? With meal planning, shopping, and prepping handled, Hello Fresh has you covered. Hello Fresh makes home cooking easy and affordable so you can stay on track and on budget in the new year. Hello Fresh meals are

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Follow Even the Rich wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon music or Wondery app. I don't know who's Rock, Paper, Scissors. I don't know who goes first. Are you fucking super stupid? I'll go first. No, no, no, I was just trying to think of who went first last time. Does anyone know who went first? I was like, thank you, thank you. My god. Okay, guys. Can we get the notes? Last week's notes, please. Who's the secretary of this club? Could you read the minutes back, please? Because that's what I meant. We are not paying attention. This is something that we could have figured out while we were at Sephora. Why would we do that? No. Any other time that we've been here for the past 24? I don't know how charming was that,

so when we was like, no, no, it's like we don't even think about it. The Torso Killer. Anyone? Move the alpaca. I don't give a fuck what you can see. Shut your mouth. Really? Do you not know how to be in public? You don't get to talk. No talking. And now, when I meet you afterwards, I'm going to get in your fucking face. Oh, no. Patsy fell over. Patsy died. When Karen is angry, it's Patsy, Patsy falls over when Karen needs you to stop fucking talking. Ask Patsy if she wants a cookie. It's going to be so disappointing and I'm going to get so sad. No, no, she'll say something. Just ask her. Yeah. Patsy, you want a cookie? Yes. No, I'm just a lot more eloquent than your cat. I'm sorry. Yes. It's my cheat day.

I'm not doing carbs right now, but I'll make an exception for you girls. Thanks, Patsy. Patsy's really high class. She's a little emo, but we're working through it. Wait, she's a little emo, but she's not an emo. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I don't know if I'd be celebrating it like that. I just got severe douche chills. That was so good. And you fucking, you know, and you know. I'm sorry. Can I please talk about the torso killer? He's your fucking killer. And I want to tell you about him. So there's a man named Richard Francis Cottingham and he did a little work in the 80s here in the New York City metropolitan area that I don't know if anybody knows about. I actually had never heard of him

and someone else like in passing a friend of mine was like, have you ever heard of the torso killer? And I got all up in their face like, that's Cleveland. That's not going to help me. And then they're like, no, no, no, New York City had their own torso killer. And I was like, well, God bless America. And this took place primarily in 1980. And so I looked up on a website what was happening in 1980 that was different than 2016. And so I'll just, I'll just list a couple things just to paint the picture, just to set it up for you. Georgia was born in 1980. Oh, girl, you look good. Thank you. That was a straight compliment. Thank you. Karen is using Patsy as a music stand. Patsy was used for years and years by John Ramsey. Oh, yes. Shit, girl. I don't know.

That's right. I don't know. Anything can happen at the bell house. Could you imagine if John Ramsey walked on stage? That's our surprise guest is fucking John Ramsey. John Ramsey is here to tell his side of the story. Fucking flip the table. Fuck, dude. The torso killer. In 1980, in New York, but also everywhere else, did you know there was no answering machines? Like they had invented them and corporate corporations would use them and like rich people had them, but they weren't actually mass marketed until 1984. Isn't that precious? So cute. So if you want to call somebody and they weren't home, the phone would just ring and ring and ring. All right. Also, there are payphones everywhere and they weren't as dirty as they are now. Here in New York, this subway was insanely

scary. Oh, yeah. They used tokens and everybody had a knife. I believe Studio 54 was peeking. It was about to close, but it was like peeking just to the point where it was like all the people who still thought cocaine was good for you were having a great time. And then like New Year's Eve and it was like January 1st, 81, and they were just like, everybody's going to die. Yeah. Um, you could smoke anywhere. You could smoke inside of an operating room. It was the best. There were a shit ton of mimes. Oh, no. All right, we're good. The mime was just so pissed off that he fucking threw down his drink and fucking stormed out. But silently, he didn't yell. He was just like, drink. How dare you talk about the quantity of

mimes? No, there's just me. And of course, there was graffiti everywhere and there was litter everywhere. And also there was a ton of murder, just a shit ton. Yes. Congratulations. So there was a man named Richard Francis Cottingham and he was 31 years old at this time. He was a computer operator and a valued employee of the Blue Cross Blue Shield in New York. It's not a plug. We're getting paid a shit ton of money by Blue Cross. To not talk about that. Blue Shield. He was married with three children and he also raped, sodomized, killed and mutilated six sex workers in New York and New Jersey. Congratulations. What a fun guy. Yeah, that was great storytelling. Just a sassy good time.

So I read this article by a guy named Peter Voronsky and it seemed like he was a writer, but when he tells it, it's a great article, so obviously he's a talented writer, but he was talking about at the time he used to run film from Montreal, get it developed in New York City, and then take it back. They don't ever ship movie, film like that. You have to have a guy do it so that nothing happens to the film. So he would come down with the film and he would get a stipend to get a hotel room for the night and then go back. But of course he was a young punk, so he didn't want to spend his money on a hotel room, so he would save the money and he would go to art openings, meet cheese and drink wine, and then get a hotel room in a really, really seedy hotel.

And so this one time he did it, the film took longer than they expected, so he ended up getting kind of stuck in Hell's Kitchen. Back then? No. Yeah, right? No, thanks. It was a hotel on 10th Avenue in Hell's Kitchen and he was standing at the elevator one day and it was taking forever and he was getting kind of irritated when it finally opened. There was just like this super bland guy who came out of the elevator holding a bag. Why then? Because something's going to happen. I can tell something's going to happen. Got it, got it. He comes out of the elevator and his bag touches Peter Vronsky on the leg. But then the guy moves on. He said he looked a little bit sweaty like he'd just been doing something, but other than that he was kind of vague and then he

left. So Peter Vronsky goes up to the floor where his hotel room is going to be to check out just how horrible his stay is going to be because he knows it's going to be bad. And when he gets up there, there are little pieces of like burned material in the air and he can smell smoke. It smells like someone burnt hair or something. So, right? Yeah. So as he's walking down the hallway to get to his room, he now starts to see smoke in the hallway and the smell is starting to get really bad and he starts to realize it's the smell of death. This is not just a normal fire, there's a dead body somewhere. And then right then the fire alarms go off and what happened? I just got chills. I'm just very invested. He goes back downstairs and a room was on fire

and when the fireman went in, they found two bodies, one on each of the single beds. And when one of the firemen picked the body up and pulled it out into the hallway to do CPR on it, no head, no hand. What did you think was going to happen? Oh my god. Oh my god. Eww. Oh no. Wait, sorry, did you say no head, no hands? Is that what you said? Yes, no head, no hand. No fucking dental records, no fucking fingerprints. That's right. So he, a couple years later when Richard Coddiham gets caught and his picture is on the news, Peter Fronsky sees his picture and goes, that's the guy that passed me when he came out of the elevator and with the bag with heads in it. And hands. Anyway, Merry Christmas. Was it a nice

bag? Was it to me? Was it, what's the large brown bag? What's the large brown bag? From Bloomingdale. Oh yeah, big brown bag. Big brown bag. Was it the sports sack? It was a good will. Guys, I'm about to talk about the dead body. Okay, sorry. Those missing parts were never found. But their clothes, there was two sex workers whose clothes were found neatly folded and put into the bathtub along with their fancy boots. Weird. And there was very little blood on the beds. So they don't, and there was very little blood in the room. So they don't understand, they don't understand the method at that point of what happened, where it happened, because it didn't seem possible that he could have gotten all of that taken care of in the room.

Also, how did he kill one person? And then the other person doesn't make enough noise that somebody knows what's going on. Again, they're in Hell's Kitchen. So through X-rays, they identify Dita Gadzari, who's a 23 year old sex worker from New Jersey, who's the mother of a four month old baby. And the other victim was in her late teens, and she has never been identified to this day. So six months later, six months later at the Seville Hotel on 29th Street near Madison, he kills a 25 year old named Jean Rainer. And it was the same exact thing where they go in, they find the dead body. And this time, it's gonna be bad. He cut off her breasts and put them on the headboard before he lit the room on fire. Now I want to know how bad is this hotel if it has a

headboard? It can't be. It's not good. It must be. Sorry. Sorry, not sorry. I just, whatever, I'm not gonna say. So now we're gonna cut to the Hasbroke Heights quality in. You guys have been there. The irony of quality in. Anytime the word quality is in the title, it's stark opposite. Good enough in. Yeah. It's called bed bugs. Yeah. So the maid is vacuuming as they want to do. And when she goes to vacuum under the bed, it hits something. And when she lifts up the mattress, it is the disfigured corpse of 19 year old Valerie Street, who's also a sex worker. Yeah. So essentially, the our boy Richard Coddington, what he would do is pick up prostitute sex workers. And he would oftentimes, he would give him a date rape drug. And they would wake up in

the hotel with the tape on their mouth. And he handcuffed with their hands behind their back. And, and then basically he would torture them for hours at a time. And they were at these horrible hotels where people would be screaming and no one was doing anything. That's the, that's the craziest thing. Well, I mean, he, until he put the tape over their mouths, but he must have it like the planning, the planning of it must have been that they drug them long enough and then covered it. But the mind your business in those fucking hotels, right? That's exactly right. You don't want to point fingers when three are pointing back at you. Do you remember the movie big when Tom Hanks becomes big and he goes and stays in the hotel for the first time? And it's like super

scared and sad. It was like time square. Yes. I think it's totally time square. You're 12 and crying. And you're 12. But you're also a man. But you're a man boy. Okay. So, uh, so this next victim was a, not a prost, a sex worker. Sorry. It keeps saying prostitute in this article. It was a 26 year old radiologist named Marianne Carr and, um, they think that he knew her in real life in his, in his weird other life in New Jersey. Um, and she had basically died the same way and she was found like up against a chain link fence. So it was, it was all kind of the same thing, but it turned out she was, she was just a nurse and a regular person in her town. How would he have found her and known her if he didn't already know her? Right. Right. Yes. And you, yeah.

Shut up. He wouldn't have is what I'm saying. Um, so then basically the way he gets caught, sorry, I, uh, I should have left Sephora earlier and organized this part better. Oh, it's on this. The way he, uh, the way he gets caught is, um, wait for it. He, he, he said wait for it. He takes a girl back to the same quality in, in Houseburg Heights where the body was found under the bed. And, um, but this time he, there were reports of a woman screaming. Finally, someone was paying attention together. And, uh, they, when the cops come in, there's a man trying to calmly walk out as if he doesn't, yeah, look, I'm just here with quality and chilling. Um, just on vacay, the quality in, I just like to come over here and just think, just get my thoughts

together at the QI. They have free Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi is not a thing yet. What are you talking about? It's not a thing. Um, so basically the cops get him and then when they go into the room, they find a girl handcuffed, hysterical, and she's been tortured for a long time. But they, there's finally a survivor that can tell everybody this fucking motherfucker that you think is some normal guy that works at Blue Shield Blue Cross is actually this insane serial killer. So, uh, so when they search Coddingham's home, they find a trophy room containing personal effects from several of the murdered sex workers. And, um, they, they're actually, he had actually been arrested twice in the early seventies that nobody knew about that. That was, that would never come

up. And so yeah, he had personal things that, that connected him. There was no way it couldn't have been him. I feel like trophy rooms, like if they're for serial killers or for fucking children, they're like, they suck either way. You know what I mean? Even if it's a legit trophy room, like Best Bowler or whatever the fuck, it's like fucking stupid. Well, they're very connected. Like, I think they, they bring out the same thing in people. It's like, look, look at my thing. Can you just be happy? It's over. Yeah. You did it already. Yeah. Yeah. We'll cut to the chase in May of 1981. He was convicted on 15 felony counts related to the murder of Valerie Street. Um, and he drew a sentence of 173 to 197 years in prison.

And then a year later, he was convicted on a second degree murder charges for Mary Ann Carr, and that added another 20 years to his life. And, uh, that is how sentencing is fucking done. Yeah. Sorry, just reading the last paragraph. Yep, it sure is. Oh, totally. Oh, there was just this list of, um, this is what he was indicted on. This is what the person read in court. Kidnapping, attempted murder, aggravated assault, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, aggravated sexual assault while armed, aggravated sexual assault while armed. Oh, the first one was rape. The second was wasotomy, aggravated a sexual assault while armed. That was fellatio, possession of a weapon, possession of controlled dangerous substances, seco-barbitol

and ammo-barbitol or two and all, and possession of controlled dangerous substance, diazepam or valium. In other words, he was the total package. Wow. That's Richard Cotton, Tin, Cottingham, the TORSO killer. Yay. Jamie, do you want to go, I would feel weird going last. Do you want to go last? Sure. Okay. Is that okay? Cause I don't want to like, I don't want to like go wrap it up like cause, and then Georgia goes. So let's have Jamie go last. Okay. Is that cool? Do it. Yeah. We go. Okay. Totally. Okay. All right. And so, okay. I really, I really, this murder is really fucked up, but I got really scared that someone in here knows the victim. So I apologize. I just apologize

constantly. That's basically what I do. Okay. So, in that St. Gann, anyone, anyone, anyone? No, okay. Good. Like they're going to say. I mean, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's my app. Okay. And that, and that was born in Boston. And in 2003, she enrolled in the John J. Criminal College of Criminal Justice, which is a SUNY, SUNY College in Manhattan. They couldn't come up with anything more than John J. Criminal Justice College. I don't know who he is. John J. Criminal Justice College. Name is not anybody's name. Let's name a college. So she was going to pursue, basically, she was one of us. She was going to pursue a master's degree in criminal justice. So like immediately we won't have a drink with her and fucking hang out with her, right? She was one

of the top 5% of her class and she was supposed to graduate in May 2006. And so in February 2006, she goes to celebrate her birthday with her friend Claire. They go out. They're at a nightclub. It's always a friend, Claire. Claire. Claire. Oh, God. I'm not saying her last name on purpose because I feel fucking bad for this girl. I really do. She tried. She fucking tried. So, 330, which by the way, this fucking 4AM shit, like you can stay until 4AM. And fuck, no. What the fuck? That is a terrible idea. It is kind of around the witching hour. You've got to be careful. Like stay as far away from Dawn as possible. You know what I mean? Part until 1145 and go home. Great. Great. But you know, she's a baby. So they go to a nightclub to celebrate her birthday and

then Claire's like, let's get the fuck out of here. I called a cab and then Amet's like, I'm staying out. And they're like, I'm going to burp. Hold on. Amet. No. No. Those are loyal fans. They're like, let it out, Georgia. Do you? It's terrible. I don't want this to be me. It also sounded like a kind of like a car. If somebody wrote out a cartoon burp, where it's like... Yeah. Like Tim the tool man, Taylor. It's me. So like fucking Claire's like, get in the fucking cab and Amet's like, no bitch, I'm staying out. We've all done it. We've all done it. You always listen to Claire. At 350, Claire calls her and is like, are you okay? And Amet's like, I'm going to this bar called the Falls. It's at 4 a.m. You did? I heard that was a good

stage whisper. Okay. So the next evening, they're like, where the fuck is Amet? Like she's fucking missing a shit. And so someone, an anonymous caller calls the Brooklyn police and is like, I saw a fucking dead woman's body. Yeah. Does anyone know where Fountain Street and Spring Creek Park is? Nope. No. That was a vague whoop. And it turns out that it's fucking Amet Saint Guyan. Okay, you guys, this sucks. She's nude and wrapped in a comforter. Her fucking fingernails are broken showing that she fought as fuck, which like, get a girl. Hands and feet tied. Sucking her fucking mouth. Her hair has been cut off. Yes. Yes. Beaten, sexually salted. That was Vidal so soon. How dare. She's like, what kind of cut? The Rachel? In that whole list,

she's upset about the hair. Can I go on about how she was fucking murdered? I know. This is the whole problem. And she died of exfixiation and I don't even want to tell you about the fact that she had, it was because she had packing tape wrapped around her poor, sweet face. According to the forensic psychologist, the forensic psychologist said that the killer tried to dehumanize her completely. When you hide someone's face, it means that you don't want to see them as a human being. You want to pretend they're just an object. And hair cutting too, I think is part of that, right? Where it's like, it's something aggressively male to cut a woman's hair, which sounds so stupid, but I think when you're a fucking murderer, it's true. Yes? No? Thoughts? Feelings?

Well, it's also a weird thing, because it's like, I want to murder humans, but I don't want to murder a human. It's like, what? Make your mind. I want to murder humans, but I also like to cut hair. Okay, so the last time that Emmett had been seen, she was with one of the bouncers at this bar called the Falls, and this bartender had been asked to escort her out of this bar before closing, and then another bouncer saw her talking to her in front of the bar. So the dude, the fucking, the bouncer was an ex-con, had spent more than 12 years in prison for drug possession and robbery, and he was on parole, which means he shouldn't have gotten a fucking job, but they didn't do any background checks on him. He wasn't a licensed security guard.

Staying out past curfew was parole violation. Like, he shouldn't have fucking been hired. Okay, but the dude who owned the fucking bar, his name was Dorian, he said that he had never, he didn't see her, he didn't know who she was, and later admitted that he knew who she was, and he said he didn't want to get involved because years earlier, his father's bar had suffered poor publicity and lawsuits after a patron was murdered, a different bar, guess what fucking bar it is, guess what fucking murder it is. The one pound, the upper, the side one, the preppy murders, the fucking preppy murders. What the fuck were the chances? Sorry, the guy that owns the falls, his father owned Dorian's... Red hand, right? Right hand, Dorian's right hand,

right? Which we've covered... They're just yelling all kinds of stuff. If you've listened to this for a little bit... I've ended that bar. How do you really? I have, I was very sad there. Preppy guys don't hit on me. Anyways, it's my own struggle. Let's go back to the girl who died. You should be glad about not getting hit on at that fucking bar. Okay, so the owner is the fucking same dude. Yeah, crazy, right? So the dude, the fucking, the bouncer whose name now... Okay, I'm going to say his name is Daryl Littlejohn. His basement apartment is searched in Queens and carpet fibers are found that match her on the adhesive tape, blood and skin matching. Littlejohn's DNA are found on the plastic ties and also from a snow brush found next to the body.

So like, I don't know how he bled. I heard something about like a nosebleed, but I'm like, why would you get a fucking nosebleed? Like, I don't understand how that happens. Yeah, you're like a murderer, but you're also like kind of a geek. You're like, no. Yeah, like... Or a cokehead. She scratched the shit out of your face. Oh, cokehead actually makes sense. Oh yeah, it does make way more sense. You're a bouncer. I'm so sorry, bouncer, but especially like in 2006, you're a fucking cokehead. Careful, careful. Hey! Okay, so, whoa, whoa, whoa. A bunch of old shits found on the DNA. It fucking matches this fuck. And then additional evidence and they were

like ping the fucking towers, which is like the new DNA, I feel like. You know what I'm saying? Okay. And then traces of GHB were found in her system, which is not a punk band. It's a date rape drug. So the fucking bar owner says like, I don't know. I didn't see her. And then he later says he didn't want to get involved. And but a bunch of people were like, he has ties. His family has ties to Rudy Giuliani. So a lot of people are like, this is actually the killer, but he's got it covered up. And the other dude is being framed to protect Rudy Giuliani's family. He was like running for shit at the time. Okay. So don't say what. It makes me feel like I'm fucking up. Don't say what. Okay. So no. We can hear every word you say. Okay. All right. They had gotten

poor publicity after the fucking Dorian's red hand. And then... Okay. So he... Okay. So finally Dorian admits what he saw that night. And ready for a fucking piece of shit? Okay. He says there was a young lady sitting at the bar who didn't want to leave. I told her it was time to leave. And she said, I'll leave when I'm finished with my drink. Says fucking in that. Which is like, yes, girl. And then he says either finish it or I'm going to pour it out. And so she finishes it. Then he says she was just getting up to leave. And I told little John, Darryl little John, to escort her out. Which is like, call a fucking cab. You've never done any fucking background check on this dude. Like you don't know who this person is when you're sending her out in the

fucking world as a drunk person. Well, it's the bouncer though. To them, they're just like, send them out with a bouncer. Yeah. I mean, I would trust a bouncer. I would ask a bouncer to walk into my car. Yes. That's what sucks about it. They're not, they're not drinking. They're fucking big and nice. They're the older lords. They're very cool. Trustworthy shoulders. They're fucking low-key individuals that sit on stools. Yeah. Like they don't want to be there. They're like a bunch of drunk dickheads that they're fucking dope. Like, yes, I get it. So the other bouncer named Tim said that Emmett was slurring her words and that she had been slumped over at the bar. But then he was just like, and like walked in the other direction. Like he just left them.

And then Dorian said that he saw Emmett and little John fighting outside. Okay. So he gets arrested. He gets fucking charged with all this shit. And then his defense attorney says that Dorian, the fucking bar owner, might have been the real killer and that maybe little John was fucking bringing women back to the club to like, as a thing, but like clearly not. Oh, so they like flow to conspiracy? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because that doesn't seem unlikely with the other things I've heard about Dorian's red hand. Yeah. But he also said he, he told police that he'd been banged up after a quarrel with his girlfriend a couple days after her body was found. It's like, why are, why are you beat up? Right? That's the first thing you look for. Yeah.

Okay. So they never investigated him. Okay. So the bar closes, it loses liquor license, and little John is sentenced to 25 years to life in prison. Okay. So, okay. So the judge says not one of these people spared a thought to the wisdom of sending an intoxicated young woman out into the deserted streets of Manhattan at four a.m. If only one of them had the common decency to call a cab taxi, we might not have, we might not be there here in this courtroom, which is like, so fucking true. Right? Like, you're responsible at that point. It is true. It's super true. It's very, very true. True, true, true. If you're going to own a bar and not take responsibility for a fucking alone woman slumped at a bar and just

send her out. Well, the, and the other thing is that it's that thing of like being over served, or did you drink too much? Like if you go to a bar, you have to be careful. And I think, I mean, it's just that thing of like, you can't just trust the, the bouncer. You can't just trust that other people will take care of you. It'd be nice, but it might not happen. And whether or not the bouncer just walks her out and lets her leave, like he might not be a murderer, but he also, the bar owner, the bartender should be aware of that she's being at least somewhat taken care of. And yeah, she could be fucking drugged. And we don't know that. Like it's so easy these days. Watch your drinks, you guys. You know, also the funny thing is like, and these days, then you're

super drunk and they watch you get into an Uber, which is a car that a stranger is driving. Like who knows who that fucking guy is. It's just organized hitchhiking. Oh my God. Oh, that was great. It's true. Where is this female only Uber we've been promised? I keep hearing about it and I fucking want it. Did you make that up? No, it's a thing. There's like a new, it's supposed to be like women driving women only. And like, or like if you're a woman and you're with a dude, it's okay, but you have to be a woman. Like, and it's women drivers. Can I, huh? Okay. I'm not, I need to get on that email chain. Well, you don't need to be because it's not, I've heard about it for two years and it's not happening. Oh, okay. It should be.

All right. So let that dream go. Let it go. Let it go. You're going to get, we're going to get, okay. So then while he's being fucking arrested and tried, another woman comes forward because she sees his fucking face on TV and is like, that's the dude who fucking dressed like a police officer handcuffed me and fucking sexually assaulted me. They linked the DNA. It was him. He was a fucking repeat sex assault. Is he a rapist? Yep. There you go. Thank you. And then it's like Joe Pesci and Home Alone, but like so much worse. Yeah. Like not charming. Sorry. I just watched that movie. It's very fresh on my brain. Just trying to tie it back to Christmas. You know what I mean? It's a holiday classic. Sorry. It's very serious. Another fucking woman's like that dude

fucking did that to me. And then, and she said that this other woman said that he wrapped her face up almost exactly like he did to this poor fucking baby girl I met. Okay. So the good news of 2007, New York enacted a law requiring security cameras at the entrances and exits of all the 200 nightclubs that held a cabaret license, which is so charming. Just like jazz hands. Yeah. You're doing jazz hands. You got to get that camera. Using a stool as a prop. It almost makes you think like that they have clean bathrooms and you fucking know they don't. Yeah. You know, like you can't call it a cabaret and it's like graffiti bathrooms with no fucking thing. My parents, my parents owned a rock club and they had something in Dows, Texas where I grew up and they had a

thing called a dance hall license. And I always thought it was so funny to call it a dance hall because it's like you a fucking gore, you know, like literally like spraying like fake semen and blood on the audience and it's like we've got a dance hall. It's like no. It's a CBG. It's a CBG with a dance hall. And then sorry to say semen hang out. No, we have to say it once every episode or they just, they, it doesn't happen. So they have to, they have to have the fucking videos and the club owners agreed to a voluntary guidelines. So they scan all of the identifications like they know who comes in and out and they have to screen them for fucking weapons, which has never happened to me in my life. Has that happened to you? I get patted down

all the time. Yeah. And they also have to provide more care in dealing with intoxicated female patrons who are alone, which is great. So, and then Boston did the same thing. And then also John Jay College of Criminal Justice, they, they started an Emmett St. Guyana scholarship for second year students at the, at the college. And yeah. And then they've also created a spirit of a Met Foundation intended to support education for underprivileged children. And then that motherfucker, Dara Little John, is in jail forever. Thank fuck prison forever. Thank God. That was nice. That was a good ending. Thank you. That was a real upending. That's a shitty little John, not the fun one that says, yeah. Yeah. Little John. Yeah. It's not that one. It's not that one.

Okay guys. All right. Man, here we go. I know. Check your guys. I really appreciate the sport. It's a lot of pressure, you know, it's a lot of pressure. Yeah. Got these two experts. Yeah. It was 100% not. I, you both told me that I should do, you're like, oh, we're doing a show in New York. So maybe do a New York murder. And I didn't. I just straight up was like, no, I do what I want. Because loose. I thought about the title of the podcast is my favorite murder. And I was like, Oh, I'm going to be honest. I want to do what is legitimately right now, my very favorite murder. So without further ado, this is the murder of DD Blanchard. Yeah. Yeah. So good. Oh man, it gets so good. Okay. So on June 14, 2015, in Springfield, Missouri,

48 year old DD was found dead in her home covered in stab wounds. Why? How? Who would do such a thing? I will let you know very shortly. Okay. So here's the deal. DD Blanchard, she was described as a quote unquote, large, affable looking person, which she reinforced by dressing in bright, cheerful colors. This is a real fun detail. I think my greatest fear is to find out how people describe me. I never ever want to know. I don't care. But God forbid, God for fucking bid, large, affable, bright, cheery colors. I mean, I would never leave the house again. If I heard that about myself, I'd be like, Oh, please just murder me. I don't want to know that detail. Someone once told me in junior high, like what some who's like, they said I had mousy brown hair. And it changed

my fucking hair. Right. Hence the fucking Bob. You can't have mousy. I don't understand that descriptor. What does that even mean? Well, the bitch who told me that someone said that clearly was a fucking kind of is what that means. That's what it means. That's what it means. Here's another horrifying detail. She had curly brown hair. She liked to hold back with ribbons. Like she's at the rent fair. Just a little woven throughout her braid crown. Eating a turkey leg. Okay. She could make friends quickly and inspire deep devotion in people. She did not have a job, but instead served as a full time caretaker for her daughter, Gypsy Rose, who was her disabled teenage daughter. So she didn't have a job. She was just a caretaker

for Gypsy Rose. I'm busy. That's what she said. I would just like to say that when I was little, my grandmother, who apparently was a flapper, used to if we, I was kind of a nudist when I was young. So I'd like get out of the bathtub and I would just run around the house. I thought it was really funny and it would like everyone would yell and chase me and it was a good way to get attention. And my grandma, anytime I did something like that, my grandma would go, look at you. It's Gypsy Rose Lee because she was a famous stripper. She was a 1920s vaudeville star turned stripper and she was also the inspiration for the Broadway show Gypsy. Fun fact. Didi didn't even know that. She just liked the name Gypsy Rose. No. She didn't even know that she's like, oh, my stripper

daughter. No. She didn't even know. She didn't even know. She just was like, those words go together well. So that's like naming your daughter like, Tony on the pole. I mean, like that's a stripper name. On the pole is a really beautiful little name. On the pole. Okay. So that's Didi Blanchard, our murder victim. Her daughter, Gypsy Rose, let me tell you a little bit about her. She was small, frail, and pale for a 19 year old. She wore big glasses, was confined to a wheelchair, had a feeding tube, no hair, was missing several teeth, and spoke with a childlike voice. Okay. I know. Hold on. So if you asked Didi what was wrong with her daughter, she would list off lots of ailments. Chromosomal. Chromosomal. That is a word. Chromosomal defects. Muscular. I don't

know what that means, but okay. Chromosomal defects, muscular dystrophy, epilepsy, eye problems, and also Gypsy had leukemia as a toddler. Okay. So Didi, Didi said that Gypsy had quote unquote the mind of a seven-year-old, and that's why she was homeschooled for her whole life, because she would not thrive in a normal public school setting. I mean, that's all of us. Am I wrong? Yeah. I know. I'm like, who's well adjusted? Who thrives at public school? Yeah. No one. So they were in Springfield, Missouri, and like everyone else around them in the neighborhood, Didi and Gypsy's house had been built by Habitat for Humanity. It had amenities for Gypsy, such as a ramp up to the door, a jacuzzi tub to help with Gypsy's muscles, and this is a weird detail. Since Gypsy was too

sick to ever go out, Didi would project movies on the side of the house for other people in the neighborhood to come and see, and then she would charge a small fee, because she was like, it's cheaper than a multiplex, and then that the proceeds would go to Gypsy's treatments. She charged a small fee for the movie, but the popcorn was still $14. She's like, it's still $5 to Sony. I hope that's okay. It's very worth it. It's very delicious water. Can I pay for that jacuzzi? Because that sounds fucking nice. Yeah. So, okay. So Didi had told one of the neighbors, a woman named Amy, I don't know, sorry guys. I'm like, can't speak. Okay. A woman named Amy Pinnigar, that she and Gypsy moved from Louisiana to Springfield, Missouri, because back in Louisiana,

Gypsy's grandfather would put cigarettes out on her, and that Gypsy's dad was no longer in the picture because he was an alcoholic disaster. So all of the neighbors felt terrible for them, totally sympathized, empathized, loved them, and thought they were like the sweetest people they had ever met and wanted to do anything they could to help the family, which is why on June 14, 2015, it was such a shock when a post went up under Didi and Gypsy's shared Facebook account. What do we do? What do we do? We're sharing Facebook. Fuck. No. Disgusting. Get your own. Red flags. I mean, problems. Yeah. Serious ones. Okay. So a post went up on the Facebook that was very alarming. It said, the bitch is dead in all caps. Okay. Okay. So then friends. Which

bitch? Okay. Friends began to comment. Obviously, they were like, we've never heard you talk like that Gypsy. I guess they just assumed it's Gypsy. They're like, we've never heard you talk like that. Oh my God, you must have been hacked. Maybe we should call the police. As comments flooded the page, another post went up. Okay. It said, and I quote, I fucking slash that fat pig and raped her sweet innocent daughter. Her scream was so fucking loud. LOL. By the way, fucking was spelled F-U-C-K-E-N, which honestly stresses me out more than the content. It's not okay. Unless you're mad at someone. Yeah, name Ken. It's not chicken. It's not fucking. It's not Ken. It's not fried fucking. Anyways, okay. So a few hours later, the police got a search warrant and they went in

the house and they found Didi Blanchard facedown on her bed, covered in stab wounds and concluded that she had been dead for several days. And Gypsy was missing. Okay. And all of the neighbors thought Gypsy was likely dead too because without the care of her mother, how could she even function? Like, she's so dependent on her mother's care, there's no way that she could survive on her own. Okay. But then, remember our friend Amy Pinnaker, the neighbor? Well, her daughter, Aliyah, had some info. She was like a big sister to Gypsy. But unfortunately, they were rarely alone together as Gypsy's mother was always by her side and very overprotective. So when Gypsy wanted to have real talk and confide in Aliyah, it was through a secret Facebook account under the

name Emma Rose. And Aliyah told the cops that Gypsy had met a guy named Nicholas Godajon on a Christian single site. Quality men. I'm kidding. You probably are. There's so many things I want to talk about. Oh, I know. This case is so loaded. This is insanely problematic episode. Just every direction is problematic. Okay. So she met Nicholas Godajon on a crystal, sorry guys. On a crystal metal site. I had like half a Red Bull vodka and I'm like, woo! Okay. On a Christian single site, she had been communicating with him for two years and was totally in love with him. Okay. But here's the thing. Let's hear it. I'm just saying, and maybe this is sour grapes, but it's like, so she's bald, doesn't have teeth and lives with her mother and shares her mother's

Facebook account, but she can get a boyfriend. Yeah. I'm just saying. No, please. I thought the same thing and I'm so glad you said it. Sorry. I'm sorry. But I'm also like, two years. Like, do you fucking like two weeks, dude? I know. Like, let's fucking meet up. All right. Go ahead. Sorry. No, I had an even worse thought, which I'm going to say, which is she's missing teeth, which is probably great for blowjobs. Jamie Lee, gmail.com. Go ahead. I don't know. That's true. So smooth. I can't stop. Okay. Let's keep going. Okay. So, okay. So the police put a trace on those Facebook posts and the IP address linked to Nicholas go to John's house in Wisconsin. The police went there and it was a quick surrender. Nicholas came out of the house and Gypsy walked out after him. Not

wheeled out, but walked out. It's a miracle. Oh my God. It's a Christmas miracle. It's a Christian dating sat miracle. Miracle. Plenty of fish. But those fish don't have feet because evolution ain't real. It's real. Okay. All right. So it turned out, guys, that in fact Gypsy hadn't used a wheelchair from the moment she left her house a few days earlier. She didn't need a fucking wheelchair. She could walk just fine. There was nothing wrong with her muscles and she had no medication or oxygen tank. She's fine. Her head had simply been shaved all of her life to make her appear ill. It was all a fraud. She told the police, all of it. Every last bit, her mother had made her do it. Dee Dee Blanchard had Munchausen by proxy. Oh, everyone's favorite thing. A classic, classic

disease. Just have Munchausen. I wrote here best. I wrote here Munchausen by proxy is the cheaper clothing line by designer proxy. Proxy is at Barney's. Munchausen is at Cole's. She was cracking up at her own hilarious joke. This is why she was like, can we have Jamie Leanne? I was like, fuck you. Do you put on this shirt? And you're like, I don't know. I feel kind of sick. And the shirt is poisoning you slowly. I feel like I want to hurt my baby when I wear this. The shirt is making me feel crazy. Does everyone know what Munchausen by proxy is? Okay. For anyone who is listening, just a quick sentence. MVP is a mental health problem in which a caregiver makes up or causes illness in a person under his or her care. And it is a form of child

abuse or elder abuse. Okay. So the couple posted to Facebook because Gypsy felt guilty and she wanted the police to find her mother's body sooner. Gypsy was in the closet while Nicholas was stabbing her. And Gypsy also reportedly tried to clean up some of the blood with baby wipes after the killing. It's such a weird, like you're going to kill someone. Why would you, like cleaning it up is such a personal thing, right? That means you're caretaking. Yes. And also with baby wipes. That's just so inefficient. And also it's stupid. I mean, it's a stupid. I mean, come on. We all know brawny is the quicker. She'll be at the stress factory in October. Okay. Um, right. So, uh, okay. So sentencing. Nick go to John is still awaiting a trial,

but Gypsy pled guilty to second degree murder as Nick is the one who did the stabbing. Did he admit to that? Do we know if he's like, yeah, he did. No, he did. He admitted to it. Yeah. Um, and she is eligible for parole in seven years. And here she rolls out, then stands up. Oh, my God. My favorite munch house. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. She's like Jean Wilder and Willy Wonka. She just like does a flip. She's like, I have a chocolate fountain. So, uh, okay. So just to clue you guys in, uh, Gypsy had been texting with Nicholas for years. They had been communicating, uh, through this like secret account. And the crazy thing is Nick had no history of violence. Um, the only thing he did have on his record was he was caught masturbating in McDonald's in 2013.

We all do. It's no big deal. Those fries make me horny too. That's never been caught. It's just the only difference. Sorry, you know, when the group comes back, oh wait, go ahead, go ahead. It's a reason to celebrate the McRib. I actually, I just want to say, I don't know if he was masturbating, but he was definitely watching porn in McDonald's. Sorry, what's this? Very different. It's almost worse. He brings things off. You're just like, this is my chosen entertainment. Um, it's like, finish the job, Nick. Um, anyways. So how did DD scam everybody for so long? It's pretty interesting. People are stupid. Yeah. I mean, seriously, DD did work for a little bit as a nurse's aide. So she had a neck for remembering medical terminology and spitting it back. Um,

not only did she fool doctors though, she also fooled charities. They got free flights from a violent here. Volunteer. Fuck. What is happening to my mouth and my brain? Volunteer, pilots, organization. Um, they also stated a lodge for cancer patients and I don't know what that is. Ronald McDonald, I don't know. Um, it's like a lodge. Um, and then also got free trips to Disney world. Here's where it gets fucking real dark guys. Um, the abuse that Gypsy, uh, incurred over her life. Um, here are some of the things her mother made her do. Her mother had her salivary glands injected with Botox, then removed them because her mother complained that she drooled too much. She also had her eyes operated on because of quote unquote weakness.

She had a feeding tube implanted and the reason that she was missing teeth was because her mother made her take seizure medication and it made her teeth fall out. She didn't need, she didn't need, she didn't need anything. She was perfectly healthy. So, um, there were two instances, well, there was probably more than two instances, but there were two that I researched of doctors being like, what's going on here? But then nothing came to fruition. Um, which is very sad. In 2007, a pediatric neurologist named Dr. Flasterstein, that's racist. Bullshit. Asked Gypsy to stand up and she did with no problem. And then he told Dee Dee like, oh, she should be walking, but then he didn't report it as abuse, but he was suspicious. And now he's apparently like very mad at himself

for never reporting it because he was kind of on to it. Damn you, Flasterstein. He says every night. Yeah. He can't look himself in the end of Flasterstein. Um, Flaster, Flaster. Okay. Stop talking, Jamie, but keep talking. Keep talking, Jamie. Okay. Uh, in 2009, someone made an anonymous call to the Springfield Police Department to do a quote unquote wellness check on Gypsy where the police said, oh, so the police went to the house and, uh, they spoke to Dee Dee and they're like, why are there so many different names and addresses for you and Gypsy? Because they, uh, Dee Dee would frequently change her first name, her last name. I think it was like, I read something where it was like, sometimes she'd be like Claudine. And then she'd be like Dee. And then she was

Dee Dee. Like she was always kind of making these small tweaks to her first and last name. I feel like that call was coming from inside the house. Yeah. And, um, and Dee Dee said that the reason she did that was because she was, um, trying to avoid an abusive ex-husband. We're on that in just a minute. Um, Dee Dee changed her. Oh, I already said that. Okay, cool. So, um, this is what else is, this is fucking crazy. So when Gypsy went to prison, she told the police she was only 19, but she was actually 23. So like, she didn't even know what was real and what was being fed to her through a tube. Sorry. Um, uh, all right, we're fine. Anyways. Thank you. One lone clap. It's Dee Dee. There she is. Holy shit. Um, yeah. Okay. So she didn't

know her own age because of her mother's disgusting brainwashing. Okay. Also Gypsy's father, his name is Rod. Rod was not a psycho alcoholic deadbeat. Um, he always sent $1,200 a month in child support for Gypsy and visited on occasion. He had his own family and he still was like in touch with them and trying to help them. I didn't write this down. So, um, I just want to say for Corrections Corner, there might be some correction. Um, yeah. But, uh, so Rod, uh, impregnated Dee Dee. When he was only, I believe 17 years old and she was like 24. And so he just, he was just like, I like, don't love you. I'm sorry. And I'm sorry I got you pregnant. And like, it was just kind of this mistake and then they ended up breaking up and then she ended up having the baby and like,

he moved on and had his own family, but he still was like paying for her. Like he wasn't not assuming responsibility. I don't fully know the ins and outs of, um, Rod and the relationship with the family, but I do know that financially he was paying what he needed to pay. Wow. Cool. So, um, this is where it gets, this is actually how it kind of becomes, um, uh, there's a sort of a nice ending to this story. Yeah. I mean, relatively speaking, um, don't cram your pants. Hold on. So Gypsy, I know I've never said that out loud and I just didn't know. Um, it's first time for everything. Um, so Gypsy in prison is actually, uh, she claims that she is feeling freer than she ever did under her mother's care. And you're not fucking in a relationship. Your mom's not standing behind you all the time.

Yeah. Right. So, uh, Michelle Dean is a journalist and she wrote this really amazing article about this story for Buzzfeed and she went to visit Gypsy in prison and said that she speaks beautifully. She, uh, is very eloquent. She is not quote unquote, slow in the least. And this was a quote, um, from, uh, well, I guess Gypsy told this to Michelle. Michelle said, she wants people to know that this wasn't a situation where a girl killed her mom to be with her boyfriend. This was a situation of a girl trying to escape abuse in prison. She's hoping to join all sorts of programs and to help people. She wants to write a book to help others in her situation. It's called Orange is the New Black. Yeah. And then this is the last quote from Gypsy. I think she, uh, referring to Dee Dee,

her mom, I think she would have been the perfect mom for someone that was actually sick, but I'm not sick. There's that big difference. Can I just tell you one last thing? Please do. So I just started looking, I tried, I tried to find like YouTube clips of different neighbors and stuff being like outraged. And one woman had like one of those like Nancy Grace level like thick accents where she's like, Oh my God. She literally, cause all the neighbors were so blindsided. They were like, Whoa, what's happening? She's not sick. I thought this girl was sick. Then one of the girls goes, her name is not Blanchard. It's Blanchard. She added the E. She just wants her movie night money back. I feel like. Yeah, that's right. That's a woman who paid too much for the neighborhood

movie. That's hilarious. That was great. Jamie, awesome. She nailed that shit. Should we bring out our special? Yeah, we have some very special gifts for you right now from last podcast on the left. It's Ben Kissel. It's Henry Sobrowski and it's Marcus Park. We don't know what we're doing. We're just having them out here here. Oh, hi. Tell us your hometown murder. Hey guys. Hey, Hail Satan. It's so nice to be here. Um, so my hometown murder, I'm from Woodhaven, Queens, New York City. Um, and, uh, I was obsessed with the Zodiac copy killer, uh, Eddie Sada, um, which was in 1990. He shot a bunch of people and then he shot a bunch of people again in 1993. Um, and basically he got, he personally was obsessed with the Zodiac killer. And what happened was that he

was, uh, his sister had a bit of the downs and he got really mad because she was hanging out with a bunch of drug dealers and he got mad. He shot her in the ass and she lived and this is true. And ever since then he got mad at people that he considered to be disrespectables, that's what he called them in his head. And then he, uh, would shoot people. He wanted to shoot every, a person for every, uh, sign of the Zodiac. And then he wrote letters to the cops. And then when he got caught, it was because he licked all the stamps on his letters. So he is currently in jail. He got caught for the same reason George Costanza's wife died. Although that was an envelope of not quite the stamp, but I think a similar image. Similar, uh, you know, like whatever the hell it

is. Uh, very cool. Yeah. That's a good wrap up. Yeah. He didn't, he wasn't as successful as the first Zodiac killer. Absolutely not. Oh, not at all. Because success in my mind for a killer is not getting caught. Oh, the most successful killer is probably in this room. Oh, she just rose her, raised her hand. He could possibly be your grandfather. Well, the grandfather was a part of the German army during 1940s. Finn's grandfather was a Nazi. It's fine though. It's that, that is true, but he was just a very good national. You love Germany. All right, a guy does what he's got to do in the early 40s. My grandmother is just the best. All right. Well, this is not quite my hometown. I'm from Stevens Point, Wisconsin, and certainly

we have a lot of trash and murders that happen there, but nobody cares. Uh, Green Bay, Wisconsin, go pack. They won today. Hello. Um, all right. There was the, anyone from Wisconsin here? No, no, absolutely not. And they won't admit it if they are because they don't want to be singled out. Finn and educated then. Very good to know here. Um, all right. So there was this guy, his name was Keith Kutzka. And he murdered this dude who worked at the Green Bay paper mill. And the fact that he worked at the Green Bay paper mill, that should be the saddest thing in your life. That's like a Hardy Boys book. The Green Bay paper mill. Oh my God. Yeah. That's when you spit confetti out of your asshole in another person's face. I always love to play Green Bay party

mill. And no one knows what's that. I'll be like, I'll show you. And, but of course, you have to eat the confetti. So it takes about four hours. Yes. Yes. It's a long process. So this guy was murdered. His name is Tim Monfields by this guy, Keith Kutzka. Okay. And the reason he was killed was because Keith had some electrical problems around his house and he worked at the same paper mill. So he tried to steal a 10 to 15 foot. They never clarify what the footage is. It's 10 to 15. So I'm going to say it's a 12.5. I think that's a good estimate. That's fine. You're gonna have to. And so he read, so this Keith guy tried to steal it and he walked out with the electrical rope, you know, and, and then this, this Tom guy ratted him out. And then wouldn't you believe it?

They murdered him. No way. They did. They wrapped a 45 pound weight around his neck, which is too much for a neck to hold. That's a lot of weight for a neck. And, and, and they put him into the paper mill pulp. Okay. That's where they put him. So they put him in there. It was five other guys. You know what they were saying? Well, they said he died of suffocation and drowning. So yes. Yeah. And that's just how you make paper in Wisconsin. Absolutely. Well, that's kind of the funny thing, Henry. They didn't find him for two days. And that paper mill was fully functional, which means there are two days of paper that were just covered in Tom Montville's blood. I could actually just see your grandfather smiling as he signs his will, thinking that it's that paper.

My grandfather didn't have a will. He wasn't allowed to have documents after a certain time there. But you know, everyone says, Oh, why go to Uruguay? The weather, you fucking idiot, because the weather is amazing. You know what? I always say this, you know, my grandfather, my father is a German immigrant, and my father survived the Holocaust. It helped that he was in charge. My grandfather, my grandfather, but, but it was tough for him. And I interviewed my grandmother and in World War II was difficult on her. They lost all their money. And yeah, that must have been terrible for her for fucking people. Oh yeah, terrible for the wives of the soldiers. That's it. But anyway, kind of a funny little thing with Tom Montville's, everyone loved

him, mostly his parents. And they said he was his father worked at the paper mill for 36 years. He had resigned or had retired a month before this. So he could have been there for his kid, but he got lazy, I guess. And they said Tom should have been a comedian because he was always making people laugh. And instead of a bicycle as a kid, he got a unicycle. So he deserved it. So everybody, very douchebag you see going around fucking Williamsburg on a unicycle probably killed someone. No, no, that's Tom, the guy who was killed. He wrote a unicycle. Marcos, do you have a fucking... I do. I do. Mine is, mine is the suitcase killer of Lubbock, Texas. This guy's name is Rosendo Rodriguez. He murdered a prostitute one night and put her body

in a suitcase. Sex worker. Sex worker. What's that? Sex worker. Sex worker. Oh, it's prostitute a bad term. It is. It is. Yes. He murdered a sex worker one night and put her body into a suitcase, threw the suitcase in the landfill. And she was found a couple of days later. The only thing he forgot to do was take the tag off of the suitcase. Very good. So they quickly traced the tag back to the local Walmart, where he had been caught on video paying for the suitcase and a pair of rubber gloves with his debit card. I do love the idea that he passed by a JC Penney's, passed by a target. I know I can get a deal over at the Walmart. I'm not paying top prices for the suitcase. The Walmart in Lubbock, Texas is the only place that has opened 24 hours. So he made the right

decision there. I thought you meant when he left the tag on that it said his name and address in the city. I really enjoyed that mistake of like, well, I'm just going to throw her body out here with this old bag. Oh dang. Turns out I've been to Peru recently as well. Isn't that nice? I want to know what fucking hobo was looking through the landfill and was like, I know hobo is a bad word. I'm fucking kidding. I swear to God. I was looking through the land hobo. You can't say hobo. You can't say hobo. You can't say hobo. I will lose one of the right. Henry's father. Honestly, when it comes down to it, I think a homeless man would love to be called a hobo because that name has got a character. Yeah, it's like a trailer writer. Hobo sounds like Soho. It's very chic.

I'm a no home person. Yeah. That's, that's a good one. That's very nice. Yeah, they caught this guy and they found out that they actually solved a cold case. You'll love this. There was a two year old cold case with this girl, the 17 year old girl Joanna Rogers that people have been looking for for forever. He actually, during his confession, he in exchange for getting the death penalty taken off at the table, he told him that he could tell them location of Joanna Rogers. They found her when he went to trial. He put her in a plea and not guilty. They said, fuck you. You're getting the chair and he's sitting on death row right now. Sometimes it works. Hell yeah. Yeah, dude. All right. Thanks you guys. Well, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. We love you.

One more time for Jamie Lee, everybody. Hey guys, it's me, Jamie again. As mentioned earlier, I did write a book. It's my first book and it's called Wediculous, an unfiltered guide to bring up. I think you said Wedalicious, which I love. No, I was like, should I have called it that? But it's called Wediculous. It's an unfiltered guide to being a bride and it is available for pre-order now and it comes out on December 27th. But if you could pre-order it and give it to all your friends who are getting engaged or are planning a wedding right now, I know you know people like that. If it's not yourself, it's someone you know, go get it because all the pre-order sales count towards the first week of sales, which counts towards getting on the New

York Times. Oh my God. I can't stop. Jamie Lee, everybody. I have a problem. We love you. I love you. You guys, you know what we're going to say now? Stay sexy. Don't get murdered. Thank you.