My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 52 - Bonjour, Internet!

Episode Date: January 19, 2017

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It has a Duranduran quality to it as well. Steven, look, we're your mothers and we're really proud of you. It was great. Nice. Now, what setting was that on? Bossa Nova. Bossa Nova. It's amazing what you can do with that.

Yeah, it was, so each time it's been like a different, like, drum setting on the Casio. The first one was Samba. I really like that one. I really thought that was beautiful. Thank you. It was like haunting. Now, was it a conscious choice to pull your own vocals out and just let it be an instrumental? I just wanted to, I don't know.

I just wanted something with some Glockenspiel in it. Glock around? Yeah, you got to pull up that Glock every once in a while. That was gorgeous. It's really good. Karen, I like, do you ever get like, I wrote that song? Yeah, I get really pissed. But then I go through all these other emotions.

Like, hungry, tired, angry. Shut down, entirely shut down. Yeah, like, oh, there's a dog over there. Yeah, distracted. Distracted is the final stage of grief. Distracted by dogs is special. No, I love this idea that Steven's reconnoitering the theme song. Because we're probably all a tiny bit.

52, right? We've heard 52 times. Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, we need a refresher. I like the idea. Yeah, it's a fun like, yeah, reconnoitering. We have to reconnoiter. I've never heard that.

Really? Is that Yiddish? Yeah, it's my Irish grandmother used to say it. Yiddish words. Yeah, I know it. She was fluent. And saying Yiddish words every once in a while. Do you know what's funny?

I actually just thought of this the other day because somebody was telling a story about maids. I remember there was a maid, she came to this country and she was like 17 and she was a maid in San Francisco until she got married basically. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing.

For like 15 years. That should have been. And one of the places that she worked in, now it's not going to be scary, but it's just, she worked for a family that lived in Sea Cliff, which is like the ritziest part of San Francisco, as you might know. It's like nobody knows that it's there.

I don't know what that is. I live there. You know what it is? When you're driving over the Golden Gate Bridge to go to San Francisco, the left-hand side is the Marina and Fisherman's Wharf and all that stuff. The right-hand side looks like a forest, but that's actually mansions.

No, I did not know that. It's hidden mansions. And so my grandmother was a maid for a family, she just called them the Jews. And she would always say, I think the Jews are nice. The Jews are real nice. I worked for nice Jews.

And then you and I came together. And you were like, I think the Jews are nice. I think she cracked the door open in my mind. I podcast with a nice Jew. Grandma, I think you'd be proud about that we're still in cahoots with nice Jews. And they're still nice Jews. They're still out there.

What year was that? Like the fucking 30s, I think. Yeah, nobody liked us back then. Well, nobody liked anybody. Nobody liked the Irish? Nope. Those back when there were signs that say don't hire the Irish in every store. They thought the two of us were a fucking plague on humanity.

And you know what? They can suck it. Am I wrong? I mean, were they wrong or were they wrong? I mean, who's on top now with a podcast? Me and you. Grandma, check it out. Grandma, let me show you something.

She'd be like, I don't like all the talking. You called her vulgar. Yeah, she would actually be insanely pissed about the Fs. All those Fs. Oh, the French is what you're saying. She doesn't like when I speak French because she doesn't like the French. Oh, yes. Okay, Steven, pull it.

Steven, take all that out. Welcome to my favorite murder. That's a bad start in terms of the racist issues. I don't know my favorite murder. That Irish person is Karen Calguero. And that Jewish person is Georgia Yale Heartstark. That's the fastest Jewish name I could think of. It's called, it's Georgia Los Angeles City College dropout.

Heartstark is actually more accurate. I didn't go to Yale. I meant the Jewish name Yale, Y-A-E-L. Oh, yeah. Like Yale. Oh, is that how you pronounce it? Like the gorgeous chick from Orange is the New Black. Yeah.

Which one? That's her name, the one who's like, when me and so-and-so are going to get buried. Bora, Bora, Bora. Her first name's Yale. Yale. And she was in an episode of the show called... Ah!

Steven, help me out here. Deadbeat. Okay, that's the show called Deadbeat about a dude who's a drug dealer in Manhattan. And there's a special episode that's like the dog episode, and it makes no sense. HBO, I think. And the people who wrote it were like, this is this episode, and sent it to HBO,

and they're like, you can't give us any notes on it. Like they were heart, which you know is like unheard of. Like they're just like no notes. And it is one of the most gorgeous... Steven, can you find out what the name of the episode is? Like it's one of the most gorgeous episodes of television. Is this a new TV show called Deadbeat? It's new.

It's the first season, but it's kind of a show. The episode is just in the perspective of this dog, and Yell is the dog walker, and you're just going to fall in love with her. Like she's so... Anyway, what were we talking about? This is a murder, so this is a murder podcast. That's, yeah, we're in the interim. But it's good to know it's pronounced Yell.

That's what I think. I could be Yell wrong about that. Oh, you're asleep? Honestly. Let's see, should we update anything? Well, this just happened on Twitter, as we were like in between one recording and another. I looked down at my Twitter, and somebody had written,

have you heard about the New Hampshire Murder Castle? You guys have to talk about it. So I immediately send back a message saying, what are you talking about in all caps? Because I was like, there's another murder castle? Like how do I not know about this? And then he wrote back, yeah, H.H. Holmes. And I was like, that's Chicago.

God damn it. But then he started laughing and was like, oh my God, you're right. But apparently H.H. Holmes is from New Hampshire. He was probably just either flipped it or was at the beginning of the story. He was at the beginning of the book about H.H. Holmes. That's actually one of the funniest ones

that people ask us about. Like if we know, do we know H.H. Holmes? And it's like, that one is just like, it's like asking us if we know about Ted Bundy. Yeah, or like, have you ever eaten a McDonald's? It's like, yeah, I really do. My own knees and chicken. They're filet-o-fish.

Not to be, you know, anything about it, except for how do you, the guy built a murder castle. You got to know if you're even slightly interested in true crime. It's like Leonardo DiCaprio is even thought about as a main character in this movie, which he is. Like we've probably heard about it. I would say.

Who do you think would play Ted Bundy? Well, Greg Kinnear pops to mind. Oh my God. Thank you. Thank you. Did you come up with that? I did just now. I've never thought about that before.

Dude, no, I was like, I can't think of anyone. That is perfect. Because he's kind of got dead eyes. And he kind of is charmed. Like he's not hot enough to be like hot charming, but he's like charming enough to be like hot because he's charming. You trust that face.

Yeah. We just have to dye the hair. And he could become a little, like the eyebrows need to get a little more pointed. Yeah, he has to get a little more sinister and a little skinnier. Yeah. But that guy in like a cable knit sweater,

who's like, please help me to my Volkswagen. That doesn't have a passenger seat. Absolutely. You're fucking Greg Kinnear. You're getting in there. Dude. What do you got? The show is called High Maintenance.

That wasn't even close to what I fucking... Deadbeat is the one where the guy's roommate was a ghost. Jesus Christ. From what? Oh my God. I've heard of High Maintenance. I've heard it really good. Okay.

High Maintenance means more sense. High Maintenance is what we're trying to say. Yes. And it says, when Jason is sensitive, yet fun loving dog Gatsby moved from the suburban Midwest to Queens, culture shock takes its toll. Yeah, that's good. Until they cross pass with Beth, a cute whimsical dog walker.

Yeah, ale. Yeah, ale. But this episode has nothing to do with the season. It's like, the whole show is about this dude, High Maintenance, who sells pot on his bike. And then there's this random dog episode. And he's like, the guy's in it, and not the episode isn't about him.

And it's just such a gorgeous... Listen, everyone has been fucking commenting and being like, thank you for recommending Fleabag. It was amazing. So fucking trust me right now, please. They do. I know. Were you yelling at me?

No. I'm yelling at the fucking... Universe. That I got that wrong. So wrong. Jesus Christ. Anyway. You know why, Beth?

You like Fleabag. And then Deadbeat almost seems like the beat in between High Maintenance and Fleabag. Deadbeat goes right in there. High Maintenance. Or... I just want to know who makes that show that they can go to fucking HBO

and say you don't get to give us notes. I think that they don't care. Like, I think that they're not... I don't know. Like, someone I knew who's really cool, who makes documentaries, who's friends with them, and they don't give a shit.

Who is it? It's a husband and wife team, Ben Sinclair and Katja Leechfeld. Huh. So they're like, fuck you, dude. We're fucking good. Yeah, it usually doesn't work that way. No.

That's what I'm saying. No. So that's very cool. It's... You'll cry. You know who else did that? Who? All of the people who would be,

I believe James Burroughs, Matt Groening, everybody who said they were going to make the Simpsons. They went to Fox and said, we'll make this, but you don't get to give us notes. Like, who were they? All they've done is the Tracy Almond show

at that point, right? No, no, no. James Burroughs. He's like a legend, right? Like, they had basically... Yeah, they basically said, we'll make this deal with you and all that, but you just can't.

They won't do that again. They won't. And tell my favorite murder, the comedy TV show, we think that's also a game show. That's what it's called. It comes out and we're like, you can't tell us what to do.

And they're like, great. Well, we're not giving you a TV show. You're like, fine. Fine, go ahead. Sink your goddamn boat. We got a podcast. Oh, you know what we even mentioned is that this is the first fucking episode

in my new apartment. Yeah, that's right. That's what we should be talking about. We should start with that and how high these ceilings are. Yes. This is Cathedral S. I mean, you'd think that if they were going to make

ceilings as high, they would also not make them fucking popcorn. But I guess I'm not an architect, so I don't know. But however, look, you can, you can take that out. You can scrape it off. You know how much that costs so much money.

I know. Um, I was just trying to make you feel better. Thank you. But I don't care. It's fine. It looks great. They're so high up.

You can't see it. Okay. Yes. Popcorn ceiling and Venetian blinds kill me, but I'm not. What are they called? What are those called? Yeah,

I think those are like horizontal or vertical blinds. Vertical. Well, anyways, I hate them, but otherwise this apartment is amazing. This is a great apartment. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. And also you just moved here. You're like, you got to get in and get your stuff going. This is the nicest place I've ever lived in my life. It's great. It's really fun.

It's got a good open floor plan. Yeah. Good. When the apocalypse comes from the third floor, so like we're safe. The water coming up, the people scratching at the side of the building, you're safe.

Oh, it's good. All right. Oh, that's good. Oh, I forgot to mention this last week when it mattered, when it had any fucking.

All right. So these two dudes who are, who were into the podcast message Justin, we're like, Hey, we're super in the podcast. We're writing it. We are writers on the show.

The real O'Neill's, will you guys be in an episode and Karen was like, I have a day job and have a fucking normal life. And I was like, I don't, I'll be on it. And so I went on and was on it. And it's,

it's on tonight, which is two days after this is going to be two days. Yeah. Before you will be two days after in hearing this, but you can watch it online. That's right. So it's the, it's these fucking sweet angels,

Josh Kirby and John Vellis who like, they were, so we recorded this thing and they wore my favorite murder shirts to the fucking recording of this episode. Like there was a ton of people on set and they, every time someone would meet me and like, I was an extra on two, like they didn't have to be nice to me. And they were like, she has a pocket.

Like they were so nice and wonderful people. And, and one of them was fucking Henry Zabrowski's college roommate, which is so insane. Anyways, I'm on it in a fucking dance sequence and I get my baby stolen and it's, it's fun. You want to watch it?

Check it out. Go watch Georgia. The Orpheum this Saturday. That's right. That should be exciting. The LA riot fest comedy festival. Uh, and we're at the Orpheum theater.

Should we put it up next week? If it doesn't suck. Yes. That should be the, that should be the bar. If we can have a week off, we should try so hard on Saturday. So we can have a week off.

Actually, yes, let's try really hard because I need a week off because work is getting insane. Are you about to start filming? Uh, the week after. Yeah. So you're like twisting all the knob.

What do they call it? Like, yeah, we're going to twist some knobs and we're going to push some levers up and then pull them back down. Um, all that stuff, which is really hard for me.

The stuff I don't like the most. You can't even chew gum and chew gum at the same time. It's the worst. Uh, should we, when should like, let's, I was thinking that we could have Guy back on Guy Brennan back on who's show you your,

you're currently on. Yeah. Right. Uh, but what if we like have people where I didn't ask their legal questions that they're curious about? Like, what the fuck is this thing and that thing?

Like, you have to write it in that sentence. And then he's like, yeah, I don't, I don't know what those things are. Yeah. Okay. Oh no, no, no,

I was just trying to make a joke. Um, I don't know. Yeah. I think it, yeah, if we had something specific and like, let it through to a certain.

Yeah. Topic. Okay. Wish I'm back on them because that was a good episode. No, he's great. Yeah. I think it's a good one.

It's fun to have it's third person. Yeah. And not tell horrifying murder stories. Hey, speaking of, Hey, is there anything else you want to, uh,

correction corner, um, merch corner, my favorite murder shirts.com. We're about, we're doing, we're working on new designs and things and stuff.

And it's going to be great forever. Oh, and my favorite murder.com for the live show stuff. We have a show in Pennsylvania that we need to sell more tickets for guys. Oh yeah. So go on to the website and if you live in Pennsylvania and you go on there and see if it's near you.

I don't know. Uh, but wait, you have a story about your Uber driver. Dude. I need to write shit down. Dude. Oh my God.

Let's start over. Let me start with this. Uh, thank you for reminding me. No, that's why I write things on my list. My therapist today, I was like, what do I,

what's wrong with my memory? And she was like, well, you're sleep deprived and anxious. Those will fuck with your memory. I'm like, okay, I feel good about it, but now I don't feel good about it. Okay.

So we were, I was, I got an Uber to go to our cracked podcast live show at UCB, which I think they're going to put up soon, um, which was so much fucking fun and crack podcasts. They're like awesome dudes. So on my way there,

like dude to dude, I get picked up. I fucking first, I'm leaving a party and I shame Vince and Joe DeRosa for like saying goodbye and like leaving me there to wait for an Uber. I don't know why I'm saying them. I'm just shaming them. So I get picked up by this dude who looks like he could murder me, but he ended up being super fucking cool. He looks like he goes,

he looks like he goes outside of Burning Man. You know what I mean? Like he stays near, like he stays near real, real outside. Yeah. Like he can't afford tickets and he like sells drugs outside of Burning Man. But he, but like, I feel safest around those people more than like normal people.

Those are your people. Yeah. Burning Man outside people. Yeah. So he's like, so what are you going to UCB for? And like shitty chat the way I hate Ubers do. And then I was like,

Oh, you know, I'm just, I have this podcast and he was like, what is it about? I'm like, well, I'm murder. And you know, it kind of like slowly got some out of it. And then he was like, Oh, hey,

that's funny. I grew up a couple of doors down from John Wayne Gacy. So I was like, wait, what? And I was like, right around the time he's like, uh-huh. I went to a party where my friend had him as a clown at our party. Wait, he was a kid.

He was a kid. His friend hired John Wayne Gacy to be a clown. Pogo the clown. Pogo the clown at his birthday party. And he said that, yeah, he like John Wayne Gacy would come to their school and watch wrestling matches. And I was like, well, wasn't it weird?

And he was like, yeah, everyone knew it was weird that this guy was into it, but he would then bring them back to his house and his wife. And I was like, wait, he had a wife? He's like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He would bring them down. And then what you told me before is how he would be like,

let's have this wrestling thing. I'm going to put you in handcuffs. Yeah. And he knew all that because that happened to people in his town and his wife would just be like, oh, he brought these kids down with him and they never came back up. Whatever. Yeah.

That's the wife that eventually left him because she just, that kept happening. And she's just like, this is so weird. She wasn't like calling the cops. She was just like, goodbye. She didn't know what was going on down there. It was just kind of like, it's boys. You don't leave someone with not,

not like knowing what's going on. Oh yeah. It was the 70s. And then people did that all the time in their marriages. Like we're going to go have man time and our man cave downstairs and she's like, okay, I'm going to bed. But with children, like if she was suspicious enough to leave him,

she should have told the cops of her suspicions. I can't speak to this at all. I don't know. Anyway. So yeah, like on my way to, Shoulda woulda coulda. You know what I mean? Like should have not married him to be gay.

You married a clown. Look, listen. Look and listen. Look, learn. The handcuffs alone. Get out of there. Like, no, the going to wrestling matches and having kids over for wrestling alone.

Like if they started doing that, it'd be like, well, this isn't going to. This will not stand. You're going to prison. You'd be like one hand on the hip. Hey, listen, mister. Yeah. Goodbye. 911 on the other hand.

Well, that's awesome. I mean, that's the magic of getting into just anyone's car. Try it. Everyone give it a shot. That's why we have this podcast. It's going to get into people's cars. It was kind of funny though, because on my way, of course, Georgia got there before me because I was late.

And on my way, I was texting like, I'm on my way here, whatever. And then Georgia texts my Uber driver. Used to live across the street from John Wayne Gacy. And then I was like, you are lying. And I just, all my responses were accusing her. Like I make shit up all the time. I just wouldn't accept it.

This is not the truth. And I was like, I'm not fucking kidding. The other thing I was going to say is, and I want to say that I was trying to look up the name, but I realized I was being rude to you. So I just put my phone down. But I want to say her name is Marjorie. I don't think that's right though.

But we have a person who listens to our podcast and loves it. And also who comes to mine in April's improv lab show every month, which we really appreciate because God knows you don't want an empty room at the improv lab. When you're trying to do a comedy show, every first Wednesday of every month, it's the second Wednesday, I think of every month, second Wednesday of every month at the improv lab rose.

Yes. At 10 p.m. It's called business class. It's a real good time. But anyway, there's a girl that I met there on our first business class and who was like, love the podcast, blah, blah, blah. And has come been super supportive. Well, I walked in to the last show that we did.

And there's like kind of an entrance way at the improv where people stand around and talk or whatever. And she's just sitting at a table with her friends. And just as I walked by, she just held out her hand and handed me three decks of cards. So I stopped and I was like, hey, what's going on? And then I look and they're the cold case cards that we were talking about on the podcast.

And she got them for us. We all got a pack. And we got two Florida's and a Connecticut, I believe. They're the cards. Excuse me. They're the cards that the law enforcement would, like deck of cards of playing cards that the law enforcement would give to inmates to play cards with.

But there would also be cold cases of like murders and all these things on each one, like explaining them, hoping that one of the people in prison would recognize them or feel like impelled. Impelled? Compelled. Thank you. In prison and compelled.

I just made those into one word. Yeah, you just combined it. To talk. Which was a good idea. And when you look at them, it's kind of creepy, but then it's also fascinating. Like you just want to look at every single card. Yeah.

Sorry, Steven just handed me her name. And it is Miranda. Same thing. Miranda. What did I say? Like Miranda writes. Maribel, some horrible thing. Miranda, thank you so much for thinking of us.

And getting the thing that we were so excited to even talk about. Yeah. No, it's super cool. It was basically, this is like the partner item to the murder cards that we were, the baseball cards that we were looking at that Steven got for us for Christmas. I mean, we're just going to keep fucking compiling cards. We just love cards.

Hallmark. That's it. Paint, chip. Yep. Cards. Yeah. All right. That's all our business, right?

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Download the app today. Thank you. You're first. All right. I'm going to take it. I'm going to fucking take it. Take it and do it. Limit.

Love it. Limit. To the limit. Closed time. We're closed time. Yes. What was the theme? Can you think of the tune?

Yes. Hold on. My mom worked there for a while. Wait. Start it. Something, something. Closed. That's not it.

Something, something. Number one where it was like a girl getting ready in her room and you were watching through the window and it ended up being a dude cross-dressing, but it was so edgy and cool. What? I'm talking about. Was that for Banana Republic? There's Charlotte Roos.

They had it in between. I swear this was on America's Most Wanted commercials. I want to make Steven look it up, but it's just so complicated. I mean, I can't even. Closed time. It was for closed time. I can tell it was closed time. I went to see the Golden Girls Live, which is Dru Drogy, Jackie Beat,

Sam Pancake, Sherry Vine. Unbelievable word for word reenactments of Golden Girls episodes. I see it on Instagram, but I don't know what it is. You have to go. It's so funny. I told Joe DiRoso about it because he is obsessed with the Golden Girls. He was so mad that he hadn't gone. They challenged Scott.

He has a Golden Girls podcast. Have you met him? He's the best. You've got to bring him. But in between the scenes, they go to real mid-80s commercials. And so there was the Shasta commercial. I want a pub. I want a Shasta.

There were all these commercials that I haven't seen. Remember the Bubble Gum one with two twins? Double Bubble? Double Mint? Double Mint Gum. The great man from Double Mint Gum. The reason I remember Close-Time is because my mom worked for them. And they had this commercial where the cute hot model would walk out and kick her leg

and keep walking. I was like, Close-Time. And so my mom came up crying one day. I was walking out of a meeting and I tried to do the Close-Time kick as a cute joke to end it and she put my skirt caught and her skirt was too tight and she just kicked both her legs out. And fell down. Oh no.

That's such a Georgia move. So I cannot think of Close-Time without my mom kicking her fucking legs out. Close-Time is the place where we beg my mom to take us. To get shoulder pads. She would be exhausted from work and we'd be like, I just need one shirt and you'd want to like shop the whole store and my mom would be like five more minutes and like going crazy. Like cheap hangers and these like sad metal fucking racks. And nothing ever fit me.

Trash. Everything was too small where I'd be like, I want these tiny pants but I couldn't wear anything. For us that was Mimi's Cafe and my mom would order a fucking glass of wine from the poor fucking hostess who couldn't serve wine and just sit in the fucking waiting area. Oh, waiting for a table. Just chug wine. Cool mom.

Anyway. Oh wow. Where are we? What's happening? Has it been 45 minutes yet? Okay, great. We're almost there. I'm about to blow my nose on my shirt.

Really? Can you actually do it? Can you confirm? Can you confirm? I actually just happened. I don't have a tissue. Can everyone confirm that? That was so much.

I don't have a tissue. It's okay. She doesn't give a fuck. It was either my shirt or my cat that was on my lap. Then I chose my shirt. All right. Okay. All right.

Here we go. Cool. Cool. All right. So remember? First time. First time. And we'll take it too.

No. Not the same thing. Not the same thing. All right. So last week I talked about Megan's. Your serious voice. Yeah. Clearly.

I'm about to. There was a cross-eyed cat staring at me the whole time. Megan's law. Talked about that. Right. So then I was like, hey, what's another one of those that like we don't know the history of. So.

So January 17th in 1996, which is exactly 21 years ago today. So nine year old Amber Hagerman is riding her bike in the parking lot of an abandoned Winn Dixie in Arlington, Texas. And she's with her five year old brother. Have you been to a Winn Dixie? No. I haven't. Have you been to an abandoned parking lot?

Um, kind of. But just the idea of it, it simply would not happen like today, not since 95. I feel like this, this idea of children alone anywhere seems like to, I think that like it took a lot of small towns a while to catch up right because people thought, oh no, not here and it's safe here and that stuff. But like these days, never, never, they wouldn't, they wouldn't allow people. They wouldn't allow people like children in an abandoned parking lot. They would like someone will get off right or like you wouldn't be able to get on.

But also anyone passing by would call the police. If there was two, a five year old and a seven year old riding their bikes, it would be like a major. Okay. Well, here's why. Yeah. But here. Okay.

It was grandma's house, it was broad fucking daylight and someone drives into the parking lot, grabs amber off of her bicycle. Like they didn't even try to like, he just grabs her and drives her away in his black pickup truck. There's one witness to step forward and he was a neighbor's name was Jim Cavalle. He's a 78 year old retiree witnesses the whole thing call and calls the police right away. And he says she was by herself. I saw this pickup.

He pulled up, jumped out and grabbed her. When she screamed, I figured the police, I don't know about it. So I called them. That's so fucking Arlington, Texas, like, well, figured that cops should know. He was nearby. And so he, this is what how he described the person that he was a white or Hispanic male 25 to 40 under six feet tall, medium bill driving a late 1980s or early 1990s model full size American made black truck.

And then so Amber's brother, Ricky goes home, tells his parents what happened. They're freaking out in the abandoned parking lot of the wind Dixie. There's also a laundry lawn laundromat. And I guess it was full of customers, but police thought that a lot of them were in the country illegally. And so when the cops fucking swarmed, they got the fuck out of there. And there was a truck that was similar to that of the kidnappers spotted outside before she was taken outside of the laundromat, but no one ever came forward and said that they

know who it was. And there was a $75,000 reward that also had the promise that they wouldn't be deported if they came forward with information, but no one ever came forward, which I think that they would have if they had known something, right? Yeah. That's a lot of fucking money. Yeah, there's a huge search. And then four days later, a security guard who's walking his dog late at night stumbles

upon the nude body of Amber. She's in a creek behind an apartment complex, which is less than five miles from the grocery store parking lot. Amber only has on a sock on her right foot and an autopsy reveals that her kidnapper had kept her alive for two days. And she was beaten and sexually assaulted, and then her throat was slashed and she was dumped behind the apartment complex, which makes you think that he lived there or at least knew someone who lived there and was staying in town and had some time alone.

Like, I don't think it would be someone who actually lives there because it's too obvious. Yeah. It wouldn't make a lot of sense. Yeah. Like, you're staying at your back door. Right. Yeah. You're staying at your brother-in-law's apartment while he's out of town, and yeah.

So after the funeral, a woman named Diana Simone, she's just a random woman. She's a massage therapist and a mother, and she's from Dallas, and she fucking calls the radio station and she's like, hey, if you guys can alert the public to severe weather, why the fuck can't you do the same thing for when children are abducted? She's just like, put some shit together and she's like, what the fuck? Yeah. Wait, say her name again? Her name is Diana Simone.

Yeah. So she's a badass motherfucker. And she says, and I wish I could do this in a fucking Dallas accent, but I don't want to be insulting, that she says they're saying Amber was taken at four o'clock in the afternoon, thrown in a pickup truck and driven somewhere, and that nobody saw anything, and then she says, I'm sorry, that's not possible. The problem was not that people didn't see them, it's that they didn't know what they were seeing.

Yeah. So nine months after Amber's death, radio stations and law enforcement officials in North Texas launch what they call America's Missing Broadcast Emergency Response, or Amber Alerts. They relay reports of kidnappings to the public, and it's an emergency response system that disseminates information about a missing person, usually a child by media broadcasting or electronic Broadway signs. As of December 23, 2015, there have been 800 children rescued and returned specifically

because of Amber Alert, but unfortunately, Amber Hagerman's abduction murder has never been solved. Oh, no. I know. And Amber's mom says, I know Amber would be very proud of this, she was always another mommy to all my children, but I also want people to remember Amber, that she had to sacrifice her life for Amber Alert. So mom isn't empowered and proud of this shit, she's fucking, it's bittersweet for

her. Of course. Why did her daughter have to be the fucking namesake of this? Of course. Her child died, yeah. So sad. So last year was the 20th anniversary, and they were always like, we're going to get them, and it's sad, and her poor, poor brother, who was five, is just like, Heath, I'm sure

he's a mess. Okay. So, all right, so it's never been solved, but after I did something like sleuthing, the thing I found that the only like connection to an actual person that could possibly be involved that I found was, okay, so in 2010, DNA identified a man that 25 years ago had kidnapped, sexually assaulted, and slit the throat of eight-year-old Jennifer Shewitt, and Jennifer survived. Wow.

Jennifer wrote and kicked major ass at healing and working on herself. She's made it her life's mission to speak out on behalf of victims. After her Jennifer's attack, she lay dying in this fucking field of her. That's an eye-survived. Yep. Have you seen her with the pink, she's got like pink hair, and she's kind of like punk and goth. And the guy took her out of her bedroom through the window.

Yep. Oh, dude. And I know. Okay. She, I mean, this chick is like the epitome of like, here's how you get back your life. Yeah, big time. She's amazing. Yes.

So she was in the field at eight years old for 12 hours before she was discovered. And in her hospital bed, she had to scribble notes to the police, and she said that her attacker said her name, his name was Dennis, and she wrote, she did this amazing sketch. Like she was fucking on it, and in it, she was like, I knew I was gonna die, and I was gonna get every little information, like bit of information burn into my head. And it turns out that the dude was a 40 year old welder from North Little Rock, Arkansas. He had a wife and three kids. And his DNA was on file because he had been like, he has a fucking rap sheet of assaulting

and kidnapping women. There's a ghost train going by my fucking new apartment. Okay. So he had been, he had been, you know, the normal arrested for rape and assault and only got this many months and in one case, a weekend in prison for, for rape, for, it got, you know, bargained down to, pled down to like, you know, bullshit stuff. So he had never actually been really convicted of kidnapping, blah, blah, blah. He confesses to kidnapping, raping and trying to kill Jennifer Shewitt.

Her body was, she was lying naked on her back on top of a fire ant nest 14 hours later. She woke up covered in fire and she couldn't move. She tried to scream something about the fire ants that kept her alive. And I don't know. I don't remember what it is. I think if I'm remembering this correctly, because this is another one that's like crazy I survived, if you can see it, she's one of those people, like you said, the way she talks about it, you're like badass.

Yeah. Like, you know, there's something inside of you. When you're losing a lot of blood, you're not supposed to go to sleep. Like so you don't lose consciousness. And I think they kept her awake. Oh my God. No, no, no, that's, I'm pretty sure you just watch her I survived, look up Jennifer and whatever city in Texas this is because she tells the story is chilling.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, so she's, so he gets arrested, uh, for all of this, which is so similar. And this was in, uh, in Texas, and she had been kidnapped from a Texas apartment. So I mean, it's so similar, I'm, I don't think they have DNA from Amber's body. So there's really no way to tie it together. And unfortunately this motherfucking dick sucker killed himself in 2010, um, but he had confessed

and she says, you chose the wrong little 45 pound eight year old girl to try and murder because for 19 years, I've thought of you every single day and help search for you. And every year that's passed has given me more strength and drive for when I finally would be face to face with you as I am today in his sentencing, she said, uh, but motherfucking in Bradford hanged himself in his cell and, uh, that's it. And I mean, so he went to jail for that attack. He did. Oh, that's good.

At least killed himself. Yeah. So I mean, it's just such a similar and eight year old girl that he kidnapped a part, slit her throat, left her for dead. This one happened to survive in Texas, you know, in the nineties. It's just so Amber, another like person who's done a lot, but at the expense of their life. He bummed. What's that?

He looked bummed. Yeah. Yeah. It's a bummer. It is a bummer, but I think it's an important story. Yeah. Of course. And it's horrifying that he was never found like, what the fuck?

Well, yeah, like there were, I was really surprised that you said that because that, that I know of that little girl because of Amber alerts. And so I just completely assumed that that was a fully like a case that came all the way around and that there was a prosecution for it. And that was part of it. So that one in Megan's law, it's like they're more horrifying than you would expect them to be. And they've done a lot, but it's just so heartbreaking.

Yeah. And like it's so often and it's just so they had so much information to go on based on that truck that, you know, if there was a system set up, they didn't find her. Yeah. Is scary. And I feel like someone knows their brother-in-law or ex-brother-in-law or cousin or uncle, you know, is suspicious, but don't want to come forward. Yeah.

Like it's always that, you know. Yeah. Or your other guy. Yeah. But someone, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's a good one.

Yeah. Well, mine is super gross and upsetting. But it's, I feel like it's always a tiny bit better when we, when it's not a child murder. Yeah. Right. Those are the ones that just get us. I'm sorry.

I know, but I think they're important. Of course. I mean, it's horrifying. There's no like, what? Yes. They're definitely important. I'm apologizing because, because it's like, it's a hard thing to talk about in here. So this one is, we have gotten so many tweets about it and so many requests to do this one

that I was like, who the fuck is this guy that people keep on being like, how could you not have done this yet? And so I started looking into it and there are so many, it is so detailed that what I did was tapped old Sarge Morris. No, you didn't. And I was like, can you help me do research? Yeah, girl. That's not going to make any sense until the week after this episode.

I don't care. And by then it's going to have caught like wildfire. Sarge Morris over here. So that's awesome. Yeah. So this is, this is Steven Amor's research, but it's such a good story and it's super intense. It's the story of Luca Magnata.

The Canadian. Yes. Dude. Dude. Tell me everything. We always think the Canadians are so chill with their maple syrup and their flags, but not this specific one who was born Eric Clinton Kirk Newman on July 24th, 1982 in Scarborough, Ontario.

When he was 21, not, we don't know that much about his childhood, but when he was 21, we know that he started stripping in a Toronto club and appearing in low budget gay porn. So not a glamorous life. And that was in 2003 and 2004. He was convicted of impersonation and fraud after he befriended a mentally incapacitated 21 year old woman, applied for credit cards in her name and charged up $10,000 in fees. So this guy's got some fucking straight off the 21 year old bad ish use issues, some serious issues.

Okay. I would say narcissism was going to be in there at some point, sociopathies, perhaps a sociops, um, throw them all in there. So he was before he was sentenced to nine months of community service and 12 months probation. His lawyer actually showed the court a medical record claiming that he had significant psychiatric issues. Wow. I want to read those reports so bad.

I know. Like details. Yeah. Like some psychologist is sitting there in a fucking room with him and they're like, Oh shit. I'm going to underline significance. Yeah. This person just like tried to get some money off a person, but this motherfucker is like,

this motherfucker is manipulating mentally handicapped people to get credit cards and has like, yes, okay. That's enough. This is just, we're laying down a base coat. Uh, like when you do your nails, this is the primer. This is like when you're making a, when you're making something and you put in the, uh, what's the thing with the, you know, the carrots and the celery and the, not a roux is the like, uh, sauce.

No, you're right. Listen, I have a cooking. No, I don't listen. I'm from the cooking jail. Okay. So then, no, wait, no, it's mere poise, a mere poise, a roux, the onions. Yes. A roux is the, yes.

So, okay. The roux is the start of something else. I got a bechamel sauce. Great. Wow. It's been a while. Okay. So in 2006, he legally changes his name, uh, from Eric Clinton Newman to Luca Rocco Magnata.

So that's a completely made up name. Why did he? Which I love it. He wanted to seem Italian. You know how Italians are. Uh, so he applies for bankruptcy in March of 2007, saying, uh, citing illness, lack of employment, insufficient income to pay off his debts. Hey, we've all, we've all been there.

But then after the bankruptcy, his quest for fame kicks into high gear. He was questing for fame. He's questing for fame in a big way. So he wants money. He wants to live Sheila E's glamorous life. Like you and I know, like at this point, like a fame, isn't it? Like what people say it is. Stephen, cut that part out.

Fame is still popcorn ceiling, man. You got to get that popcorn ceiling life. There's not our Kelly song. So, uh, okay. So here's what he does. He auditions for a reality show called cover guy. Oh, um, you can see the opening credits. No, no, no, I'm saying in your mind cover guy.

He declares in his casting video that quote, a lot of people tell me I'm devastatingly good looking. You know that that would sell now, but like whatever year that was, I was like, what is this shit? What are you doing? Um, he was not chosen. Oh, he was a reject from cover guy. From cover guy.

What'll break your heart more then? Well, this that he auditions for the reality show, plastic makes perfect. Oh, no, his multiple hair transplants nose job, explaining how he wanted to get pectoral implants. He was rejected. Yeah. Explain my face right now. So it's just not the fame plan is not going as expected to get rejected from

the bottom of the barrel. Like, you know, is the bottom of the barrel show. You're not good enough for a plastic surgery show. Yeah. Um, so, uh, so then what he started to do was focus his efforts online. So he, um, twice created Wikipedia pages for himself only to have them taken down by the self policing community. Imagine what was on those.

It's Wikipedia. Imagine the self like the self policing community is like, they let so much shit fly and then they're like, this fucking idiot. Not this guy. Not this fucking idiot. Uh, then he created the rumor on message boards that he was dating Carla Hamulca, the yep, the wife of Paul Bernardo who killed two teenagers along with raping and murdering her own sister.

Oh my God. This is how, okay. I did not understand. I, in my mind, whenever I saw people write this thing, I thought he was Paul Bernardo. I think I can, I got these whole thing. Like these whole things confused. Yeah. So this is exciting.

So this is a guy who he creates the rumor on message boards that he is dating her, but he's not the one who killed her sister. No, that's her husband. I thought he really did that. Then the husband goes to jail. Okay. Then goes to jail for a while, but then gets out. Right.

And then he, he decides to tell people he's dating her now that she's out to get that kind of infamy. That's the level of celebrity he's going for now. Yeah. Um, but then he calls into a radio show to deny the rumors that he started online. Then he visits a newsroom in Toronto. Um, uh, and that's the first time he's on mainstream press talking about it and denying it.

Uh, oh, sorry. He said he dated her in the nineties. Um, not when she got out of jail. All right. So, uh, then there's many, uh, profiles on various internet social media and discussion forms created over several years to plant false or unverified claims about him. And, um, he would himself immediately dismiss these as rumors and hoaxes and a campaign of cyber stocking.

According to the police, Magnata set up at least 70 Facebook pages and 20 websites under different names. 70 Facebook pages. Yeah. Yeah. Can you imagine what, how many naps that is? I mean, how many other things could you have been doing? Naps.

How much, how much more plastic surgery could you have gotten in 2010? This is the part where it's going to turn and you're going to get upset. Okay. Do children get murdered? Well, then I don't care. Okay. In 2010, he posted a video called one boy two kittens. Oh, no.

Where he has succeeded to Tabby cat using a vacuum cleaner. Yeah. Yeah. And a plastic bag. This is why I've never heard of him. Uh, and until he was tracked down, he was just known as the vacuum kitten killer. How does that even work? So you put, oh my God, yeah, that was a big jump from 70 Facebook.

I know. Well, here's the thing. All that other stuff isn't working. Right. So he keeps doing things, attempt after attempt after attempt and people are like, no, no, no. Right. So then he's, because he's a sociopath, because he doesn't really care and he doesn't

have any empathy. Jesus Christ. He does that. Oh my God. Okay. Now we're in 2012 and it is May 26th and a Montana lawyer named Roger Renville sees a bizarre internet video depicting a man being stabbed and dismembered. He alerts us and Canadian police about this video and they dismiss it as a fake.

He just saw it like where it was posted. So it was uploaded. It was called a one lunatic, one ice pick and it was uploaded to two gore sites, um, which were super explicit, uh, places with that were just like super violent. I love that this guy who's like on gore sites is like, this is too much for me. Like what, you know, like it had to be that awful. Well, he's a lawyer. So maybe he was looking on there for this reason.

Okay. Um, well, because he reported it to the police. So it looked real like, oh, maybe he's like seen gore, like real crime scenes and bodies. So he knows what it looks like. Yeah. That's kind of, I think that's what they said. Holy shit. Meanwhile, uh, Luca Magnata has flown from Montreal to Paris and when he arrived in Paris,

he was wearing a wig and a Mickey Mouse t-shirt. Super chill. Um, and then so basically that was on the 26th is when he flew to Paris, um, three days later on the 29th, the residents of his apartment building start complaining of a foul smell. Nope. Never complain of a foul smell. Uh, so the janitor then discovers a suitcase next to a mountain of garbage bags behind the building and inside is the headless torso of a man.

Um, now six p.m. that same night, a package containing a human foot is received at the conservative party of Canada headquarters in Ottawa and it had been mailed from Montreal. Um, at 9 p.m. a package addressed to the liberal party headquarters in Ottawa was discovered by postal employees, uh, to contain a human hand. What the fuck? So after taking statements and finding evidence in the trash, including a blunt instrument and papers identifying Luca Magnata, um, they end the police enter his apartment. Hey, so like he did this on purpose, like sent this shit, like knowingly that it was

his stuff, like going to lead to him on purpose, uh, sounds like it. No. What do you mean? Nevermind. No, I don't think so. Okay. Um, just they tell me. So the police enter his apartment and it's actually a very dark studio apartment.

Um, and then they find a bloody mattress and blood in the refrigerator and scrawled in ready and can cite a closet or the words, if you don't like the reflection, don't look in the mirror. I don't care. Oh my God. Um, so when a rest warrant is issued for Luca Magnata, um, so, uh, the inner pole adds him to the wanted list and people, um, in, uh, he was in Paris and he was declared an international fugitive and, uh, he's, they start, you know, the cops start getting a

ton of tips, um, that he's at a bar, he's trying to crash a house party. Um, he actually took the bus to Berlin. Uh, his name was all over the papers and all over television and the French media nicknamed him the butcher of Montreal and the German, um, media nicknamed him the porno killer. Um, so the butcher of Montreal is way cooler. He, uh, that's better. Uh, um, so he gets to, uh, this is, this is my favorite part. He gets to, in Berlin, he gets to an internet cafe.

Um, this is about a week after all that. And the guy that's working there, um, a man walks in wearing sunglasses and makeup and says bonjour internet. And so the guy kind of notices him. This episode is called bonjour internet, right? And, uh, so the guy working there, um, recognizes this man's face who walked in, but he can't place it. And so he's looking at the guy.

So the guy goes over to a, uh, uh, computer and, you know, rent it out and the guy from his workstation is looking down at the monitor that this guy is using. And he noticed that this man, he who's wearing sunglasses is looking at art article after article about the killer in Montreal. Oh my God. And so then he puts it together, that it's him. So can you imagine? So basically they go up and they're just like, you're that guy, right?

And he goes, you caught me. Um, oh, what in the fucking fun? Yeah. So he basically got caught cause he was Googling pictures of himself. You idiot. So, um, I feel like you just, there's nothing good that happens in internet cafes and yeah, not anymore. You know what I mean?

Like something's wrong. It's over now. Yeah. Yeah. That was last time. Yeah. Um, okay. So, uh, then on June 5th, the package containing a right foot was delivered to St. George's

school. Another package containing a right hand was sent to Falls Creek elementary school in Vancouver. Both schools opened as normal in the fall, the following morning and it was confirmed that both packages were sent wait, were they Montreal, but were they staggered? Like who was sending them then? He was sending them all from Montreal. Okay.

They were different places. So like Vancouver's further away. Um, so Magnata is arrested and then he's transferred to a Berlin prison hospital and a psychiatrist believes that he's in a psychotic state. So, um, meanwhile the police identify the torso victim as Lin Jun. And he's a 33 year old Chinese computer science student at Concordia University. It's unclear how he met Luca Mangata, um, but an internet cafe, but well, they, uh, they say that Mangata had been posting men seeking men, uh, in the men's seeking men

section of Craig's list under an alias. Um, and so basically though they go back and check the video and they see Lin Jun had been and had entered, um, Luca Magnata's apartment building. And then like the next day is when they see the video where Luca Magnata is taking things out and putting them in the garbage can, he just wanted to love and be loved and like got murdered. That's so sad. Yeah.

Uh, yeah. So then he gets taken back to Canada on a military plane and then they find Lin Jun's skull at the edge of a small lake in, uh, Angren, Angrenon Park, um, after they get an anonymous tip, so someone may have found it. Um, and so not only does Luca Magnata go to trial, obviously he's arrested and charged with murder, um, but the police charged, uh, the website owner who posted, um, one lunatic, whatever the name of that video was, that guy got charged with corrupting morals, uh, one lunatic, one ice pick.

Um, Why? And he ended up going because it was real, but he didn't know it was real. Well, but, but it's his like responsibility. He probably, I think probably in watching it, like the lawyer did, you would know. Yeah. Um, God. So is it out there?

Can you like, I wonder if it's out there. I have no idea. Did you ever watch like, um, what was that website? It wasn't sick.com, but it was something like that. Rotten.com? Rotten.com. Yeah. Did you ever click through that?

Yeah. That's troubling. Yeah. It's a bummer. But I've seen, yeah, go on. Uh, so basically he just goes to court and he ends up, they give him a life sentence with, um, without the chance of parole for at least 25 years. Um, and they try to say in the court case that he's basically that he was crazy.

Um, and, uh, it doesn't work. And he gets basically the full extent, uh, and they added on all these other charges. It was like first degree murder, but then also committing an indignity to a human body, publishing obscene material, criminally harassing prime minister. I mean, all that sending stuff to government stuff made it all, you know. So what did they say? Like he had liked how he killed the guy and then like was the dismemberment after he was, well it's all in the video.

So it looked like they, he stabbed him to death and then dismembered him. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Can you imagine if you'd like watch that being like this is fake and then like going back and being like, no, you'll fucking watch tomorrow. Well, that's why all that stuff is like, why would you want that in your head? It's so, it's such a bummer and it's such bad vibes. Even if you're faking something like that, like what the fuck are you doing?

Well, I'll look up like crime scene photos sometimes and then like I, there's ones that are like, they clearly can't be fake. And I'm like, nope, it's fake. It's like I have to commit, like commit to it being fake or else I'll lose my mind. Yeah. It's not, I don't think it's good to have those pictures in your head. Absolutely not. No.

And it doesn't help you. It's not like you can't imagine what it might be like. Right, right. And he also, so anyway, in 2015, Luca Magnate, he tried to file an appeal for the convictions, but it didn't, it didn't work. And he actually withdrew the appeal himself. So apparently someone, I don't know if, I don't know what happened, but I was like, cut it out.

He was like, you know what? I'm going to drop this whole fame thing. Maybe I'm going to try to do something else. Finally. I'm just going to get into Buddhism. So that's the story. Now I understand why everybody was so obsessed with it because it truly is insane and horrible and beyond.

That's like tabloid-y. I'm going to listen to other people now because like, I always thought that, I always, I never looked that one up. Everyone does constantly want us to do that one. And I always thought it was connected. I got that one and that horrible couple kind of tight. The Palo Bernardo case. Yeah.

I always kind of thought it was the same thing. I was like, I don't need to know about this one. Like, yeah, we know. It's boring. You know, they fucked her sister and they killed her and like, now she's out and it sucks. But like, I didn't realize. That's boring.

No, it's just one of the ones that everyone knows about, you know what I mean? So I didn't realize that I have never heard any of that. I know. Me, I didn't know it was that like crazy detailed. I didn't know he was like, the idea that you're sending body parts to the prime minister or to like grammar schools, all those things where, and then knowing his whole thing of wanting to be famous. Like you're that needy that you would, like he didn't murder someone because he wanted

to murder someone. He murdered someone so he could put the video up online and that's what it seems like. It does seem like that, which is so gross. I mean, like, I guess it's, and it must be an element of most killers, the thought that like everyone will know me or I'll have this power that I'll become renowned or whatever. But like most of those people do like, um, like, uh, what are the killings called when like you're out in public and you kill a bunch of people? Like a mass murder?

Like they do mass murders to do that, not what he did, which is like so personal and creepy. And then it's almost like forcing other people to watch it. Well, well, and also it's, it almost seems like just this lame modern version where it's just like, Oh, I'll put it on YouTube. But you know what I mean? I'll put my super gross, you know, serious mental problem on YouTube and get a bunch of hits and like force other people to have to deal with that, having seen that for the

rest of their lives. Yeah. But I mean, that's the thing. If you're looking, you're going to find it. I know, I know. Like you have to remember if you're, if you're on a horrible gore site, then that's what you might look at. And then you're going to have that in your head.

Like don't do it. As someone who like can't sleep at night, it's so easy to just kind of like click on this thing and click on the next thing. And then suddenly you find yourself at this like place and then suddenly you see some shit you don't want to see, but you can't like away. It's like, not like you're like fucking typing in like, man, murder is another man. It's like you just, like I've seen some shit that I didn't realize I didn't want to see until I saw it.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's hard to get out of your head, but who are you to, like other people are looking at it because they want to see it, it's fucked up. Yeah. Uh, that's amazing. That was crazy. We finally did that one.

Finally. Thank you. No, thank you. Can I tell you, I forgot about this. I was, uh, we, we, we moved in this new place this weekend and the first day we moved in, I was walking down this like the staircase and this like girl with a really cute dog walked up and she was this like cool girl, like not cool, you know, she was like someone I would have drinks with, like cool girl.

And I could have sworn we walked by each other. She whispered stay sexy. I am serious. I think she whispered stay sexy. That's creepy. Which is so creepy. But I think I'm also, I think I'm also really paranoid. No, I know I'm also really paranoid.

You're definitely really paranoid. But it sounded like she said something like that. I mean, I guess you'll find out. So I'm going to die. Um, do you have a positive thing? That's what I thought you were doing and then, then it turned into that. I thought you were doing a positive thing when you started that story. I was like, oh, that's not positive.

I know. I realize now that's, it was like a twist to Rue at the end. My real positive thing. Um, so I'm in this new apartment, a new apartment complex and, uh, there's this thing that happened yesterday and it puts two of my favorite words together as one. And so my positive thing is jacuzzi cat. Uh-huh. There's a fucking giant black cat and we've been staring at the jacuzzi.

This fucking giant black cat strolls over to the side of the jacuzzi. And like, I thought I was in fucking Narnia. Like, let me pet him with my wet hand. Like I just was petting him and then he had a collar on. I looked at the collar. His name was fucking Gus. While you're sitting in, I got in the jacuzzi and was about to cry. This is how happy I am that I get to be in a jacuzzi.

Like this is my dream. I can't believe this. And then this cat just fucking saunters on up named Gus. Like that's a fucking fake. And he was like, I think he was an alien. Like he was kind of like watching the perimeter, but like letting me like only me pat him like wet, like a wet hand. That's hilarious.

It was like, it was a dream. It was amazing. That's good news. Yeah. About your future jacuzzi experiences. Yeah. What if it's a different one next time? Annabelle comes up.

She's all white. Oh my God. With one green eye and one blue eye. Dude. Stephen and I were just talking about how there's a fucking cat at the fucking cat shelter. Uh, named Cappuccino. Who's white with one green eye and one fucking blue eye. Whoa.

Named Cappuccino? No. Yes. But it's still a white cat with a blue eye and a green eye. Fucking matrix man. I don't care what my therapist says about detachment, fucking issues. Yeah. This is the matrix.

Yo, yeah. You gotta tap in. You just gotta tap in. What's yours? Um, let, well, I guess I would say it was going to see the Golden Girls Live, which I had to, I went and did Jamie Lee's podcast. So I was downtown. It was kind of far away and I'd bought this ticket and when I went to buy the ticket for

Golden Girls Live, you usually can roll up and buy as many tickets as you want. It's like one of the scrolly things and I could only roll up to one. So I was like, oh, whatever. I'll just, if I can only have one, I'll have one. So I bought that ticket. So it turns out I bought the last ticket. The guy told me, cause he was like, you're not on this list. And he like checked it a ton of times.

And then he went on to the website to get their list. And then he goes, he watched one girl's name disappear and my name took her place. And he goes, she literally bought the last ticket. I'm like, hell yes. So I had to sit in a chair in the aisle. He goes, here you can sit right here. And so like everyone else is kind of, you know how it is in that room. It's like raised up.

And I was like someone's weird handicap grandma, whereas just in a chair in the aisle, I'll just sit here. Yeah, exactly. So the show starts, the lights go down and they put up the opening screen of the Golden Girls. The theme song starts and everybody starts singing this, the theme song. No, everyone starts singing the theme song together. And it was, everyone was like laughing and smiling.

It was like a very beautiful, like bonding moment in this weird way where it was just really nice. And it was, you know, it's like 80 people or something. I would, please bring me next time. I would love to go. Yeah. We should totally go. It would be so fun.

But it was just like a lovely, first of all, I like a group sing. It's always very like cathartic. But then everyone knows every word to the theme song to the Golden Girls. And like some people were really belting it out. And it brings you back to like a moment in time, like you, you know, I, I stayed at home. I was a kid and I watched that with my family. Yeah, totally. Friday night.

That's what you did. It was, that was, that's what was going on with everybody with that whole, it was really lovely. They have a mug. I follow Jackie beat on Instagram. Oh, I bought one of those months. Does it say thank you for being a cunt? It's all those guys dressed up as the Golden Girls.

Thank you for being a cunt. It's that is like, I can't even handle how fucking amazing that is. Yeah. It's super good. So, you know, that's a great moment. So what a great capper. That's our episode. Thanks for listening.

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