My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 57 - Live At The Fox Theater

Episode Date: February 23, 2017

Live at the Fox Theater, Karen and Georgia kick off the My Favorite Murder Spring Tour (official title still pending). Onstage in Oakland, they talk about the Speed Freak Killers and the earthquake-fearing Herbert Mullin.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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What's up? Wow. This is so cool, gotten here. Should we scream really quick? Okay, I'm ready. That does feel good. Yeah, our friend. That's good.

Our friend Lizzie Cooperman told us that her secret before going on stage and not being nervous is just screaming to her hands. It's really therapeutic. I may have damaged my instrument a little bit though. This is fucking crazy. Hi. Somebody tweeted a picture from the audience of the stage, and the front, the frontist piece looks like Beyonce from the Grammys, doesn't it?

Do you think she dressed up like the interior of the Fox Theater on purpose? She's like, make me look. Give me that Fox look, she said. Who's here? Who's from Oakland and who's from not Oakland? You were right. Ask a seven-part question to kick it off. We definitely want you to be yelling the whole time, so let's see.

Basically. Who's from San Leandro? Who's from Dublin? This is Karen's fucking city, can you tell? Top of the Hill Daily City, anybody? Not me. I mean, they're from places. Anyway.

Looks cool. We don't. Oh, that was my cousin Stevie. By the way, 110 of my family members are here tonight, so. I love it. I know I looked on our guest list and it was like, kill Gareth, kill Gareth, kill Gareth. Yay. Represent.

We represent in the Bay. I love it. Lots of people do. Should we do a quick outfit? Yes. Walk it across. Let's do it. Look at my, watch my tights.

Yes. Yes. There you go. Those are cat tights if you can't see from the balcony. A little tail in the back. Or little cats. No. No.

Thank you. No. Can I have your dress? Pockets. Pockets. Pockets. I'll never stop yelling pockets at the top of my lungs. We were having like a conversation backstage of like what's, you know, a serious one and

then she goes like this. And I went, oh, Pockets, like right in the, um, should we sit? Do you want me to tell you a quick story about this dress? Yes. It's going to be fast. It's going to be fast. Always. I'm not asking you.

I'm asking her. We went to the Outlet Malls in Los Angeles. We went to the Kate Spades store. I walked in. I was like, I have to get, oh, really quick, sidebar in the middle of the dress story. Ok, and we just want you to know this is the first night of our tour. We're starting it with you guys. Amazing.

Crazy. Crazy. Anyway, I'm at the Outlet Malls, Kate Spades store. Have to get my tour long dress. Has to be black. That's the rule we made up that we're now stuck in permanently. It sucks. There's no black dresses, it turns out, that are flattering.

Constantly obsessively buying black dresses. I go in. I see a dress. It's this one on the rack. It fits me. It's my size. It has pockets. I'm like, what the fuck?

God is with me. I look at the price tag. It says $219. I was like, hey, listen, I'm going to wear it for what, 50 shows or something like that? Are we doing one dress for all the shows? Yes, the entire run. Really? These dresses are going to smell so bad when we're done.

That's true. Imagine. So I'm like, here, my mother's voice in my head, it's a key piece. You're going to be able to wear it over and over again. It's worth the money when you spend more, you get more. So I'm like, all right, Pat. So I take the dress up to the counter, put it on the counter. This is a classic outlet sale, outlet store tail.

$79, mother fuckers. Pockets, pockets, pockets, pockets, pockets. I'll never say what it is to dress. She wanted to just laugh, she just kept walking. Walking down telegraph. Pockets. Oh, you're having me to hang down. Okay.

Let's see what else. Are we really wearing these the whole thing? No, no, no. We can't. That's crazy. We're actually going to wear them all weekend though. So if you see photos that look like it's here and you're like, I don't remember them doing that.

It's because we're not. No. We're just going to keep wearing them up and down the coast. Yeah, but they're still going to smell really bad by Monday for sure. I mean. Well, and then we can burn them in a pile. Yeah. Like witches.

Oh, we have an exclusive merch announcement. Here's why. Merch corner. Oops. The shirts got fucked up. Merch corner, everybody. Oops. Yeah.

The shirts that are available tonight here at the Fox Theater in Oakland. We're going to call them exclusive. They're, we're not calling them mistake shirts. No. They're exclusive. They're exclusive to this weekend. So if you were on the fence, I don't know, are people then get, I mean, it's weird. Get one.

Look, it doesn't need to have our name on it to make it our shirt. That's the thing. And listen, it doesn't mean the name of the podcast on the front or anywhere, it does it on the shirt. Why reference the name of the show that the shirt belongs to? Yeah. And then like, someone will see you in that and like, you'll know they're in the know when they're like, I know what that's from, even though it doesn't say the name of what

it is or the name of the hosts on it or any, any name at all really. It's just some word. Yeah. It's because we knew you guys were like, you know, everyone else needs our name on it. Because we're going to forget. It's an exclusive merch tonight only and tomorrow night and tomorrow. Also tomorrow.

It's a weekend. It's a weekend. It's a weekend. Shit merch. Merch. Merch. Super special merch. Oh, and we got a cake backstage too.

Oh my God. Rachel's Bakery. Rachel's cakes. Rachel's cakes and Berlin Games sent us. It's on there. Instagram now. It's on Instagram. It's our tiered cake, like they, we got it backstage.

Someone, we can't talk about it now, Rachel, but here's the thing. Someone brought in what looked like a very large hat box and we're like, uh, um, again, my fairy, it's full of moths. We don't want that in here. Someone's going to send us a box of moths. I don't know why that's my fear. I mean, I wouldn't get it. It's my fear.

It'd be fun. Is it? I don't know what it is, but that's, if you want to get me and do not fucking do it. It was one of those boxes that looked like when you're waiting for your bag at the, at the bag thing and you see the box and you're like, what the fuck? Like, you're like, oh, I hope so. Like, and it just keeps going around and around it, like, kind of walking away from it. There's a lot of tape on that box.

Yeah. But inside turns out, nope, it was cute, gorgeous, tiered. What's that stuff called fondant that you see them make on all the fancy bakery shows? And a fondant Karen and Georgia on a couch on top with Elvis with a knife, trying to kill us. Rachel's a burling game, a little Mimi, I'll curl up, I'll cue on this side and a little box of cookies on a cake, like, here's a cake, you eat the cake and then that's it. And that's you eating cookies, you're pigs.

It's gorgeous. Thank you, Rachel. No, they're Elvis's cookies. Oh, I get it. I'm sorry. Yes. Listen, you guys are here for listening. Thank you for that.

Should we sit down? Let's sit down. Are we gonna... Is this correct? Not all forward, like, why have a table and then just sit out there? I know I'm doing this. That's weird. We've never sat on these sides before.

Oh, should we switch it around? I don't know. Yeah. It's just, you know... This is... Let's just make it right. Yeah, there we go. Hmm.

What's it called when you are... So, okay. We can't hear you and we don't want to know what you're saying. That's not how this works. That's Karen. That's Karen. I'm George. Oh, yeah.

Hi. Welcome to my favorite murder. Oh, welcome to my favorite murder. I shouldn't have done that. Don't know why I did that. All right. Welcome to my allergies. Before we start, I do have one piece of news that might be exciting for everybody that

I saw. Somebody tweeted it to us. Second hand from another murderer now. You can now on Waze get datelines Keith Morrison's voice for your GPS. Did you hear about that? I saw that. Did you listen? No, did you?

No, but I want it. Could you imagine that creep telling you how to get around town? I'm hilarious. I love it. It's such a great idea. Is I feel like I would prefer Lieutenant Joe Kanda, though. That would be my... Oh, man, really?

Yeah. He's just snow snarky the whole time. Everything would be like a thing. One time I turned down this street and he's like, okay, Joe, just trying to get to target. I bet he says, I bet he says, flip a U-E. You know, instead of make a U-turn. You can never go back, but turn left and... Keep going. A lot of that kind of hardcore stuff.

At least it's not Nancy Grace. She went there. Okay. I have a... Can I do a new podcast, Corner, Corner, Corner? That I found? It's not a call-and-response thing. I don't know what it...

It's so weird. Is this the time and place to plug in someone else's podcast? Probably not, right? Why not? Okay. Someone on Twitter told me about this and I immediately downloaded and then have almost finished the entire season. Okay.

It's called Stranglers. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've listened to it. Did you? I've listened to the first two. Go ahead. I'm obsessed with it.

I'm obsessed with it. The whole time I was on the plane today, the whole plane trip, I wasn't stressed out, so I was just listening to a murder thing about really gruesome murders and it just made me feel better. So you guys should listen to it. Do you guys understand that in any way? No. Nobody gets that.

Is that something you relate to? I feel like... I don't have to explain that here. I listened to that one driving up the five the last time I went home and it started to freak me out. Dude, it's so scary. It's really... The Boston Strangler was not fucking around, everybody.

He had issues. And they keep doing this thing where like, here's the suspect, they think. It's a really cool woman who's hosting it and I feel like it's kind of like serial... A little lot. Very official. Very... She knows what she's doing. It's produced and shit.

I don't know. I don't know. And they keep going, maybe it's this suspect and they tell you all about it and I'm like, yeah, that guy, but this guy and I'm like, oh shit, it's totally that guy. So I think it's like, it's good. You're just letting them lead you around. I love it. Whatever they tell you, you're going to buy.

Tell me everything. All the gross stuff and I almost on the plane was like, oh, I want to look up that crime scene photo and then I was in the middle seat. It's becoming more and more acceptable every day I hear. Don't judge me. Don't judge me and my fucking weird shit. Oh, one more thing, just really quick. So I went home really quick to Petaluma, California to see the...

Oh my God, what if my whole hometown came to see me at the park? I thought you hated me. So I was eating breakfast with my dad and I said to my dad, hey, do you want me to get you a Murderino baseball hat and he goes, huh, how about you, yeah, he goes, how about you, how about you give me a shirt, but instead of a monogram, it's just got a little dead body on it. I texted her and I was like, guess what we're making next. Yeah, I'm like, he just wants you to go get him a shirt somewhere else.

He doesn't want one of your... He might just need shirts. Weirdly, my dad, I saw him last weekend and he pointed to his hat and it was a New York City hat and he's like, I'm ready for my trip to New York when you go there and I'm like, because you want to go see my show? He's just like, no, I want to go to New York. So I'm taking my dad to New York. All right, Marty's coming.

Nice. All right. That's a good way to find out your dad's coming to your show. Also, they have a whole vintage Ouija board display at the SFO airport. I like to say SFO airport and you say SFO. You can say whatever you want. It doesn't really matter. It's like a huge, like a bunch of cabinets of like really fucking old Ouija boards and

like the like. It's awesome. You can't touch them, can you? No. Don't touch those. Oh, I love them. That's bad luck. Luck doesn't exist.

Oh, that's right. I keep forgetting. What else? That kind of sounds rad, actually. Yeah. That's gorgeous. That's it. You want to kick it off?

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I'm first this week. All right. This is a real fun one. Don't look. Why do you keep... Literally, this piece of paper has been...any time it's within two feet of me, she snatches it away and goes, don't look. Because I would look.

It's like, I get the point of the podcast. I'm not going to fucking sneak and read it and be like, uh-huh. Yes. Because I would look. I'm amazed they haven't looked at yours yet. I've heard this already. All right, so let's talk about two dudes who are total pieces of shit. Great.

Also known as the Speed Freak Killers. Uh-oh. Nobody. We'll see. Nobody knows about them. Okay. But the bunch of speed freaks in the audience are like, uh-oh, is it me? Shit.

They found me? They found out. And then they dressed this man, and then they come in. That would actually be an amazing end to this show. And there would be like a Phil Collins concert. You saw me when you were drowning and you did not lend a hand. It's not how it goes. I actually, there was like a kid who drove me here from my hotel, who like, and I was

telling him about the podcast that I was listening to about Boston Stranglers, and he was like, never heard of them. So you're 21, and you don't know about murders. Yeah. Okay. He's about to speed freak Jared. Listen up. What's his name, Jared?

Lauren Herzog and Wesley Shermanine Jr. were childhood friends that grew up on the same street, like right by each other in a farming town called Linden, California. Yeah. Fucked. They, hold on. They might actually just like the names of towns in California. Yeah. What are you guys doing?

Woohoo. It's like those people who like, they're at a restaurant and someone else is getting something, happy birthday, and they sing along with it too, and you're like, to you. I don't know you. Okay. They grew up together. It's 95 miles east of California. They were hunters.

They graduated high school in 84, and they gained a reputation as meth users. Hey, me too. Not in 1984 though. I believe that Herzog and Shermanine began murdering people when they were around 18 or 19, although it's possible it started earlier than that even. So Shermanine would brag to friends and families about making people disappear, which is what you want in a sibling. Their family's like, I'm going to take that in the way that I choose to interpret it.

Oh, are you a magician? You can make people disappear? Finally, you have an interest that we can get into. Imagine. Do it. Okay. Their first known victim was in 1985, a 16-year-old Stockton, California girl named Chevy Wheeler dissapeared and says, she had been dating, she had been dating 19-year-old Wesley and

had ditched school that day to hang out with him. Don't hang out with your 19-year-old boyfriend when you ditch your school, ma'am. Be cool. Stand school. Then you'll get to be this, no, we dropped out of college. Really didn't finish any school at all. Skin of my teeth. Okay.

So then, so she had been dating him, she had left to hang out with him, never seen again, her blood was found in his cabin that he had, but the district attorney didn't think the DNA evidence was definitive. So nope. Well, he's the one that would know in 1984. No. It's just splattered, willy-nilly. Blood is meaningless to me.

Yeah, I know. I'm a lawyer. Like, what does it mean, you know? That could be like, die. Okay. November, okay, so then in 1998, so that was 1985, now we're in 1998, and then Cindy Vanderheiden, she's 25, the San Joaquin Valley, disappears from the Linden bar in, which sounds like a fucking dive bar that you don't want to be in.

I mean, if like, in the inn, in the end of any bar, you don't go there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She had been seen talking to Lauren and Wesley, and actually, Lauren had dated her older sister, so they knew each other, and supposedly they all left together, the three of them. Then her car is found by her dad the next day, like outside of local cemetery, it's like a new car, and the dad was like, what the fuck, is her car doing there, and like they panic and it's really sad. And so she disappears, and then the cops are like, wait a second, he has something to do,

Wesley has something to do with Cindy's disappearance, and they were like 13 years later, earlier, this other one, they're like putting the pieces together. So they can't get his DNA, but they repossess his car when he doesn't pay for it, pay the payments, and they fucking swap that shit. All that meaningless DNA is suddenly relevant. Suddenly it's 1998, and people give a shit. Hi. Okay, can I tell you about his tattoos real quick?

Please. Lauren had made and fueled by hate and restrained by reality. Sorry, say it again. Made and fueled by hate and restrained by reality. But he's already killed two people? Yeah. So he's not being restrained by anything. Sounds like our government.

Also, that's why I whispered that. I didn't know what you said. Oh, I said sounds like our government. Oh. Then I get shot. Send a hate mail to Georgia at Georgia. I just wondered what the picture underneath that phrase was like, just like a seal with a ball on its nose or something.

I don't know. Like a baby chick. Just like the Notre Dame Irishman. Restrained by reality. You know, it was a Tasmanian devil. And he's wearing cut off jeans. Totally. Yes.

Just all mad. He also had a tattoo on his right foot that said, made the devil do it. Made the devil do it? Yeah. Unless I... Unless I... No, I copied and pasted that. Made the devil do it.

His... So his foot made the devil do something? Apparently. The devil's like, dude, I'm good. Don't involve me in your bullshit. Made the devil said? I can do it without meth. And so...

I don't even... So... He's... Okay. This motherfucker was married with children, of course. And then he offers to give DNA once they start looking into Wesley's buddy, Wesley. So the police pick him up. They're going to bring him to the station.

And in the car, on the way to the station, he starts fucking crying and asks what he can do to get out of this. Wait. He may have been crying about those tattoos, though. Fair enough. I don't even like the Tasmanian devil anymore. I was made by hate. It feels bad to hate.

So he gets interrogated for 17 hours, confesses to the murder of Cindy. He says that they met her at a bar. They're going to go do drugs. That Wesley did everything, attempts to rape her. She resists. They pull over. Bad things happen. He... so... Lauren was like stabbing Cindy... or Lauren said that when Wesley was stabbing

Cindy, he said, just let it come natural. I know. Karen. He told detectives... he told detectives that Wesley was responsible for at least 24 murders. Holy shit. He doesn't confess to anything himself, though, and just makes it seem like he's an accomplice. Of course.

Sure. You're just standing by. Yeah. Hang out. Go to David Buster's. Goddammit. He said we could go after, so I said, okay. All right.

So next day Wesley's arrested, Lauren keeps talking, tells him about the 84 killing spree that they just shot two fucking random dudes who were like hanging out outside their car. And he confesses to killing a man, a 41-year-old man named Henry Howell. He's at the side of his red with his broken car, and they just go up and shoot him. It's in 1984 in Hope Valley. In 2000, 34-year-old Wesley goes on trial for four murders, but Lauren's confession of what happened, his 17-hour interrogation, is inadmissible because the tape couldn't be cross-examined.

The jury finds him guilty, though, of first-degree murder in all four cases. He's offered a deal to sentencing that the death penalty would be off the table if they told him where the bodies of Cindy and Chevy were, but he also wanted the $20,000 reward that had been offered for their whereabouts. Sure. Absolutely. We found them. You should absolutely get $20,000 of the reward for finding you the murderer.

That is totally how it works. Exactly. Sounds like our government. Let's just keep doing it. Let's just keep doing it. Oh, night. Long. It's fine.

We're going to Vancouver tomorrow. We can just stay there. I forgot my passport. We might not. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty worked out.

My husband is a dear, sweet angel who's FedExing things. Okay. So, okay. The family, about the $20,000 reward, says, guess not yourself. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Good. So he's sentenced to death.

Then Lauren is tried for the murder of five people, including Cindy. His video is admissible now. He's found guilty of first-degree and three killings, and he gets life without the possibility of parole. But wait. Nope. It gets worse. In 2004, a state appeals court overturned Lauren's conviction, saying the police coerced

his confession during the long interrogations. And they said that the police ignored his rights to remain silent, stepped up, deprived him of all this shit, a new trial order, but Herzog's lawyer worked out a plea deal with the prosecutors. He agreed to be guilty to manslaughter and accessory to murder in exchange for a 14-year sentence with credit for time served. Oh. So he's out on parole on September 18th, 2010.

Wait a second. It's 2017. Yeah. He goes to, lives in like a shitty home. They keep an eye on him. He's got all this tracking device. But don't worry, you guys. He kills himself.

Yay. Oh. That's a real applause. So he basically, when he finds out that Wesley is going to tell them where the bodies are, he's like, oh, shit, and kills himself. He is offered $33,000. Wesley is by a bounty hunter to tell him where the bodies are. Whoa.

I know. I think he tricked him, though. So let's see. He provides maps to five burial sites where his victims could be found, referring to one of them as their boneyard, and they find Cindy and Chevy's bodies. And there's three separate burial sites, and human remains are found there. At least 300 human bones of varying size, as well as coats, shoes, purses, and jewelry from a well on the land in rural North Carolina.

I thought you were, for a second, I thought they fucking shipped some bones. Go over here. They found other remains in a well, and so dental records identify Cindy and Chevy, and they find almost 1,000 human bone fragments in an old abandoned well, including a woman named Joanne Hobson. She was 16 years old, went missing in 85, and Wesley claims that there are as many as 72 victims. 72?

In that amount of time. Can you believe, yeah, can you believe that, like, I didn't even hear about these dudes. No, I've never heard of this. I've seen their names, but actually when I was doing this research, I had a go, there's no place that just explains what happened, and who disappeared, it's always like, there's an article about these two women who disappeared, there's an article about him killing himself, there's like little fragments, but there's nothing recent. It's not all underneath the one.

No, so I had to make it, just like. And maybe make up some facts, whatever. I don't know, tattoos. You're not going to know if he has those tattoos, you're not, he's dead. That's crazy. Yes. Because that's so many. I know.

That's like, I mean, why would you make, I don't know, it's just like, if it was from like 84 to 98, there's a lot of time in there. Yes. Well, they also believe that he's connected, they're connected. Almost 14 years. Is it 14? I don't know. Yes.

They also believe that they may be connected to the 88 disappearance of nine-year-old Michela Garrick from Hayward, do you remember that one? She was abducted on November 19, 1988 in broad daylight outside a grocery store. She found her scooter, it had been moved next to a parked car, and she goes to get it. Some motherfucker grabs her and puts her in the car, and the, like, what's it called when they draw your face? Sketch. Thank you.

I thought you said, what's it called when they draw on your face? I'm like, falling asleep at a frat party? What the fuck is, what is this story? Composite sketch of, yes. Got it, got it. Composite sketch. Yes. And it looks just fucking like Lauren, like, it's just creepy.

And so, she, her case was the first missing child case to be featured on America's Most Wanted. So Wesley, one of the speed freak dudes, wrote a letter saying that Lauren committed, no, no, no, that's a copy and paste mistake, that she said that they should look into what happened to that Hayward girl and actually found shoes at the bottom of the well that looked like the one she was wearing that day. I know, sweet baby. Okay.

So Central Valley Department destroyed a bunch of missing persons record, though, so we might not ever know that. Wow. What? I just said wow. Oh, I thought you said what? Oh, no, sorry. What?

I said wow too fast. Yeah. Okay. And the other suspected victims that have been, that are looked like is Terry Ann Forcher from Reno, Deena McCann. She was last seen getting gas near Lodi while two men were bothering her. And then Kimberly Ann Billy disappeared from Stockton and Robin Armtrout, whose body was found stabbed to death and was last seen getting into a car with two men and the car

matched the description of Wesley's. So he's still on death row and he's like opening up a lot more now and he said, I know, he's doing some poetry and stuff, like really accessing his feelings. He's like doing the thing of like, oh yeah, I fucked up, okay, I get it, my son won't talk to me anymore, so I know how these parents feel of losing their children, not even fucking get a hand. Well, I mean, look, I don't know, there's nothing to say about that. I thought they were going to have some wisdom for me, look, here's something.

Look, meth is bad. Yeah. It really is. He says now, to think about all that stuff I did, I try not to, I would have nightmares. Fuck you, pal. Night night, motherfucker. Wow. Speed freak killers.

Speed freak killers, everybody. Shit. Yeah. That's your fucking doing, Northern California. You guys didn't do it. All right, now I get comfy. Oh, now you're going to dig in? Yeah.

Let's do it. Wow. Mine also did drugs. He did a lot of drugs. My guy, he doesn't really have a funny nickname like many of them do, although you've probably heard of him. His name is Herbert Mullen. And Herbert Mullen, thank you, Herbert Mullen is the serial killer from, it's a Fenton, California,

near Santa Cruz, and represent Go Banana Slugs, right? Yeah, UC Santa Cruz mascot is a banana slug. No. Yes. She fucking with me? Really? The children, they got to vote on their own mascot, and because Irony is fun, they chose a banana slug.

No, no. Never let children choose anything important. When I was a soccer, we were the teal tornado, like, you just get to pick your own stupid things, and kids are dumb, you know, and they're like, well, I mean, it is college. Oh, Jesus Christ, that's even worse. Wow. Yeah, I'm disappointed. They love pot, so who doesn't?

So Herbert Mullen was the guy, you may have heard of him, it happened in the 70s. He was the one that was active at the same time as Edmund Kemper, the co-ed killer who was also in Santa Cruz. So Santa Cruz in the early 70s had two full-on serial killers at the same time, earning at the nickname Murderville USA. No. Yeah. Our old little Santa Cruz.

It's work, live, play. Murderville USA. Murder, hide, bum out. But unlike Edmund Kemper, Herbert Mullen was killing for our benefit. He believed that he had to make human sacrifices so that earthquakes wouldn't hit California. Did anyone ever tell him that earthquakes are kind of fun, though? No, he's clearly very scared of earthquakes. He didn't want them to happen, and let me tell you about him.

I'll tell you a little bit about him. So he was born on April 18th, 1947, to a very strict Catholic family. He was in high school. He was good-looking, athletic, and polite. The trifecta. No. Be careful. I'm telling you, it is not good to peek in high school.

Psychotic or charming. Yeah. Somewhere in between is what you want. You're hiding behind those beautiful teeth, good luck. He was actually voted most likely to succeed. And he did, I guess. And he, well, some saw it as a success. After graduating in 1965, he went to college.

He majored in engineering, and he considered following in his father's footsteps of joining in the military. But the turning point of his otherwise normal life came around the time when his best friend was killed in a car accident. And this was the first moment where his, a psychotic episode was triggered. So he was right at the age where schizophrenia starts to show in young men. And basically it was the stress and the grief. He had this psychotic episode, and his behavior began to change entirely.

And his family started to get really scared of him. So his friend died. He built a shrine in his room to his friend. He started arranging all the furniture in his room around the shrine, and he was sitting it for hours and hours alone. He had to break up with his girlfriend, explaining to her that he thought he was turning gay because of the shrine. Now how do you just turn into a gay, you know?

Just slowly turning, turning, turning. He was going to let her know when he turned entirely, but he didn't feel comfortable leading her on, I'm lying about all that crap. He became obsessed with the concept of reincarnation, and he became increasingly paranoid, and he started hearing voices. So his behavior was really scaring his family because he was starting to do super weird things like beg his sister for sex. What?

So gay. Such a gay move. And he also was doing a thing that he began to compulsively imitate every movement his brother-in-law made. Oh, God. His sister was also married. So it was sinful in many ways that he was begging her for sex. The movement was sex.

Yeah. The movement. No, no. Just every movement. So this is actually a real disorder called echopraxia. Really? Yes. So echopraxia is when you have the compulsion to imitate every single thing a person does.

Even if you don't even want to, you just have to keep doing it. You is a compulsion. And echolalia is the compulsion to repeat anything someone says. Well, what's the compulsion I want to screw your sister? Gross. I guess that's called Game of Thrones. Yeah. Thank you.

All the way up in the back. It's fucking pro over here. Okay, so in the early 70s, in an attempt to calm himself, he began to take huge doses of LSD. Oh, fuck. What? A perfect solution. He also was taking a lot of amphetamines.

No. Yeah. Just a little bit to bring him up after he went into that other dimension. That sounds like a... No. It's for a little energy. I'm not a doctor, but... If you're feeling paranoid, think you're seeing things.

Acid isn't the way. No. It's just not... It's a non-solution. And if you're paranoid and think you're seeing things because you're on acid, math isn't the way. Yeah, that's right. Don't double down.

No, no, no, no. Yeah. Don't go into the white drug area. Like pick a drug. No, don't do drugs, you guys. Don't do drugs. But if you're... But if you're gonna...

You know. Listen. You know. Ow. You know. You know. Yeah. You missed it.

I wanted to tell you that. Oh, I wrote here, maybe try some aromatic oils. It's fun. It's how you love yourself at that moment, because that's what you're... Right in his spot. I was having a great time. I'm sure he was a huge thing. A coffee.

I was enjoying myself. All right. So Herbert came to believe that his friend's death had been a part of a grand cosmic plan, and he changed his college major from engineering to philosophy. He became obsessed with reincarnation, religion, and, take note, impending natural disasters. Uh-oh. So in 1969, he was finally diagnosed with severe paranoid schizophrenia, and he allowed his family to commit him to Mendocino State Hospital, one of the many state hospitals

that doesn't exist anymore, because they cut the funding for mental health, which is fucked. Let's see what we can do to fix that. America? Is your mom... Did your mom work there? Uh, Mendocino's way up north, but she did work in a state hospital. Yeah. Ref...

Can't let... You can't let a city go. Bye. Can you? Well, it's... All of California has come to see us tonight. It's so, it's so. I don't know.

A single person here. No. There's nobody on my... No, there was. Okay, bye. You don't know. What if you find out that you do? Um, okay, so, uh, Herbert spent the following years, um, oh, he, sorry, he went to Mendocino

State Hospital, I preach, preach, preach, and then the back half of that was he checked himself out six weeks later. Um, so then he spent the following years drifting around Northern California, working small-time jobs, spending short periods of time in various mental institutions. He practiced yoga, meditation, ate a macrobiotic diet, yet he was vocally ultra-conservative. Using essential oils, probably. Maybe he was using some essential oils, which was my idea. He spent time as an amateur boxer, um, but...

Some brain injury right there. Yeah, that's tough. He actually had to be forcibly removed from the ring when he wouldn't stop beating his opponent. Hey. Hey, you're an amateur. You don't have to kill that guy. At one point, he attempted to join the priesthood, and they were like, no thanks, which is really

saying something, all right. So in this time, Herbert is, uh, fixating on impending natural disasters, of course also doing tons of acid, and he comes up with a theory. He becomes convinced that nature requires a blood sacrifice to keep the next big earthquake from hitting California. He theorized that the violence during the Vietnam War had been enough bloodshed to control earthquakes throughout the late 60s, but now that the war was over, there was nothing to stop the big one from destroying the state.

I mean, how does he know the percentage of blood to, like, the percentage of year, like the number of years? You know what I mean? I know. He's like an engineer. No, I know. He's like a typical, like, oh, actually, it's just much blood, like, of course. This is how many people were killed in Vietnam, and you can't go like that, like, I mean,

no Herbert. Um, Herbert believed that because his birthday was April 18th, same day as the 1906 earthquake that leveled San Francisco and the death day of Albert Einstein, that this made him the leader of his generation. That's all you need is a fucking birthday. One good birthday. And as the leader, it was his job to make sure enough people died to prevent the big one from killing everyone.

So he had to begin murdering people for the good of mankind. Before that, and I swear to God, this is a classic cut and paste, before that, he had considered relocating to Canada. Aw. Wish you'd done that. I think you'd have your murder for tomorrow. That's right. Do something else tonight.

I just do Herbert Mullen up there. So it turns out Herbert Mullen hates maple syrup. All right. So it starts on October 13th, 1972, Herbert Mullen is 24 years old. He drives home to visit his parents. Oh, in Felton, California, sorry, not Fenton. I said Fenton. It's Felton.

My apologies to the mayor and the comptroller. So if you don't know, Felton is this tiny town. It's north of Santa Cruz on the nine. It's right in those like, right? Give it up for the nine, everybody. One of the better small highways of California. There's redwoods everywhere. It's actually gorgeous.

Okay. It's so gorgeous. Perfect place to put a body of it. That's right. It's also where I went to camp. Oh my God. So yeah. Perfect place to put children's live bodies at a camp.

I mean, wait for it. Okay. As he's driving down, he's going back to visit his parents. And he later tells police that this is when he received a telepathic message from his father saying, Herb, I want you to kill me, somebody. So you don't listen to your parents all your life and this is when you're going to fucking start listening to your, come on, Herb. Dad's drinking a ham beer at Ham's beer at home and like, well, I don't fuck him.

I didn't do it. Yeah. Don't bring me into this shit. Okay. So Herbert Mullin, as he's driving on the nine, he sees a homeless man named Lawrence White who was on the side of the road. So what he does is he pulls over and he lifts the hood of his car, feigning car trouble. And when the man comes over to ask if he needs any help, Herbert Mullin bludges him to death

with a baseball bat and leaves his body where it lays. And that man is found a few days later. Days? A few days later. On the side of the road? Yeah, because it's like, mm, way up in forest land, yeah, it's remote. So less than two weeks later, it gets worse. As should I sing this song, it gets so much worse.

And it really, no, thank you, I, oh, thank you, but it, but also it really does. So two weeks later, Herbert picked up a hitchhiker named Mary Guilfoyle, who is a student at UC Santa Cruz. Don't cheer for it. He's, because, listen to this, he stabbed her in the heart in his car, then he brought her body into the woods near the roadside. He cut her open, he hanged her intestines from tree branches, and he examined them for pollution.

Yes. For fuck's sake. Her remains weren't found for several months. And when they were discovered, the police assumed that this murder was the work of Edmund Kemper, because, you know, they weren't like, oh, it could be another fucking serial killer in Santa Cruz. You know, that other one. Yeah.

Why don't you guys just go on that roller coaster down by the sea and relax. All right. So Mary Guilfoyle's murder haunted Mullins. So to the point where on November 2nd, All Souls Day, he walked into Los Gatos Catholic Church, he took confession with Father Henry Thompson, and he confessed everything. No. He talked about these murders in detail, but then, when he was done, a voice told him that this priest was offering himself up as a sacrifice.

How many times do I have to warn you? So, Mullins stabbed Father Thompson to death in the confessional and then walked out of the church. But then how do we know that he said all that to him? Sorry? How do we know that he confessed all that to him then? He told the police everything. Oh, I get the other one.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. He proudly told his own story at the end of this insanity. Okay. So, then he tries to enlist in the Marine Corps. A natural next step. And though he did pass both the physical and psychiatric exam, he was rejected when they brought up his arrest record and saw his history of bizarre behavior.

Also, he was colorblind, but otherwise, you're fine, and that's fine. Look, flat feet, get out of here. He later claimed that he never would have become a serial killer if he had just been accepted into the Marines. You've already killed three fucking people, dude. It's kind of a fake excuse, you have to admit. Maybe. So, this rejection affects him a lot to the point where he stops taking massive amounts

of acid every day, but his severe violent paranoid schizophrenia is out of control, totally untreated. He believes that this rejection from the Marines is just another example of the conspiracy against him in his life. He also accuses his parents of participating in this conspiracy. He accuses them of being, quote, killjoy reincarnationalists, which is not a real thing. Who believed their next lives would be more enjoyable if they made the current lives of others miserable.

Oh, man, can you imagine just being a parent and you're like, I want to have babies, I do, too. I love you. And then you just have this fucking asshole. Yeah. You just, you just birth an asshole out onto the fucking table. Man. Tough.

But also it's kind of funny because then also then I just think of like when you're 13, it's kind of just a teenage mentality of like, my parents lived to make everyone else's lives awful. They're reincarnationists, didn't they? Fucking reincarnationalists, all right. So swept up in his paranoid delusions, Mullen decides to kill Jim Genera, his high school pot dealer. That's a weird choice.

It doesn't work that way, Herbert. He believes that because Jim sold him pot, that he was part of the plot to destroy his mind and that he had to avenge himself. You guys like, I fucking sold you a Regan-O, dude. Yeah. Damn it. That was a pot. Also, why isn't it ever your fault, Herb?

Why isn't it on you ever? All right. So on the same time, a voice told Mullen to buy a gun because it would be a cleaner way of killing people. I mean, I guess if you're going to go like, never mind, I'm not going to do it. January 25, 1973, Herbert Mullen drove to Jim Genera's house or where Jim Genera lived when they were in high school. When he got there, he met current resident, Kathy Francis.

And she explained that Genera didn't live there anymore. Herbert explained that he was a friend of Jim's, and so Kathy gave Mullen Jim's new address. That night, Mullen drove to the Genera's new home and shot and killed Jim Genera and his wife, Joan, and then stabbed them both repeatedly post-mortem. He then went back and murdered Kathy Francis. No! I thought she got away. And her two young sons.

No! Fuck, man. Guys, it's in the name. My favorite murder. You know what I mean? Oh, man. Because both Jim Genera and Kathy Francis' husband had dealt drugs at one time, the police assumed that both of the murders being the same MO had to be drug-related.

Less than two weeks later, Mullen saw four teenage boys camping in Henry Cowell Redwood State Park. You been there? Oh, yeah. In fact, I didn't have time to look it up, but that might be where we went to camp. I'm not kidding. Are you serious? Well, there's a bunch of state parks, but I would like it to be.

These boys were David Olaquer 18, Robert Spector 18, Brian Card 19, and Mark Drabel Biss 15. Mullen's approached them posing as a park ranger and told them to leave, claiming that they were polluting the park. Uh-oh. There's that word again. Fucking hippies. When the boys dismissed him, he pulled the gun, shot them all one by one.

He stole a rifle from that campsite, and then he left. Herbert Mullen's final murder took place on February 13, 1973, 73-year-old Fred Perez was gardening in his front yard. Mullen drove by and shot him with the rifle that he stole from that campsite. Luckily a neighbor witnessed the whole thing, wrote down Mullen's license plate number, called the police, and Herbert Mullen was arrested shortly thereafter with no incident. It is a nice feeling, isn't it? Yeah.

They got him. And he was arrested without incident, he was just like, yep, all right, we're done here. But then they get to the police station. This is kind of my favorite part. They get to the police station, and Mullen was totally uncooperative. His response to every question the police asked was, silent. Which you have to admit would be kind of fun if you got arrested. Yeah.

And the police were like, where were you on that, silence. I'm going to try it next time I get arrested, I think. Or really anytime. You're welcome to. Thank you. So when Edmund Kemper, the co-ed killer, was arrested, he and Mullen were briefly held in adjoining cells. Santa Cruz, besties, Santa Cruz, best friends, killing all around the forest.

Blood brothers, but through the fake, yeah, keep it up, keep it up, you fucking psycho. Kemper actually accused Mullen of stealing his dump sites, which is, hey, relax, he didn't even use dump sites. You fucking idiot. There's enough for everyone. Actually Herbert Mullen confessed to all 13 murders explaining to police that these human sacrifices were necessary for earthquake prevention. Only you can prevent forest fires, he said, to the police.

And then he yelled, silence. Is that how they came up with the, only you can prevent forest fire? Forest fire. Oh, did you know that was, he looked a little bit like a bear, and they were like, hold on. Put your hands down with their hat on. Really deep voice. He also claimed that he had telepathically asked those four boys at the campsite if

he could kill them and that they had all given him permission. At least two of them would have been like, fuck now. You know? Yeah, that's when the police began to beat him senseless. Really? It's not on the internet anywhere, but we can pretty much be assured. In the end, Mullen was found guilty of two counts of first degree murder because they proved that Kathy Francis and Jim Jenner's murders were premeditated.

But everything else, they could not prove that also because he was so insane. So he had eight counts of second degree murder. He was sentenced to life in prison. He will be eligible for parole in 2021 when he is 74 years old. No. I doubt it will work. I doubt it will work out. Probably not.

You know. Yeah, that's it. That's all. Pretty good, right? Listen, don't go off your meds, everyone. No. I don't care what the fucking specter of your dad is telling you. Yeah.

Don't go off your meds. Yeah. If you hear voices, and I mean like even if there's someone standing behind you and lying talking, get on those meds. Yeah. I agree. Fuck. I agree.

I think we have time to do a hometown murder. I think so too. Now here's the cool part. We know who we're going to pick. Yeah. Because her name is Chloe. Yeah. Chloe?

Chloe. Where are you? No. Oh, she was fucking lying. She was fucking with us. Is there any way to bring these lights up a little bit? Chloe, you said you were going to be at the back of the orchestra pit. That's what this is, I think, right?

I hear her. Chloe. Chloe, do you know what an orchestra pit is? Because if you're yelling from anywhere that's not here. She comes here. Did we forget to tell them that we're going to have someone from the audience? Chloe, you're from Oakland. There she is.

Aha. There she is. Did she have a mic? Can you? Yeah, yeah. Go over there. Look over there. Look at that girl in the plaid shirt.

Chloe, listen to my voice. See that girl that's waving her arms? Go to her. Jesus Christ. We rehearsed this 15 times. Oh, that poor baby. If she wasn't nervous before. I know.

Now we really built it up. Now I'm mad at her. Get out here, god damn it. These people are waiting. Yeah. Yeah. Hi. You're fine.

It's fine. Yeah. So am I. That's Georgia. That's Georgia. That's Chloe. I love you so much. Are you really Chloe?

Yes, I am. Okay. Chloe tweeted at us. It's fine. I just signed up for Twitter yesterday. Oh my god. Let's get her some food. Oh my god.

I love you so much. Are you really Chloe? Yes, I am. Okay. Chloe tweeted at us. It's fine. I just signed up for Twitter yesterday. Let's get her some followers.

What's your handle? Oh god. What's your handle? We'll get you some followers. Chloe. Chloe doors. This is my name. D-O-O-R-S.

R-E-S. That's adorable. She's a couple. There she goes. She's going to have these 2,000 followers by tomorrow. Okay. Here. So let's send her up.

Let's send her up, Chloe. Look. This is real. Let's get a nice stage picture. Chloe, you be in the middle. I can't see any of you. Yeah, I know, right? Just don't look at them.

Okay. You have a hometown murder for us. I put it down. You really? Yeah. I can't do this. Okay. All right.

I got it. Read it. All right. I mean, we wish you would have memorized it. That's what we do. Just wing it. Yeah. I'd like to pull a van Morrison and just face the back of the stage right now.

That's bad ass. Yes. Radio. Here we go. Stay with my back while I tell you this. We can all do it. Okay. Okay.

Wait. Let's really quick. Okay. Where are you from? I'm from Fairfax. They love Fairfax. Yeah. Tiny, tiny town in Marin on a car from Petaluma.

That's right. Who are you here with? This is why I tweeted you avidly. Okay. Fairfax. Anyway. Who are you here with? I'm here with my husband.

Hi. Luke and my good friend, Katie. I can't see you guys. I'm pulling it out. I can see you. It's fine. All right. See you guys tomorrow.

I'm going to hang out with Karen and Georgia tonight. No, she's not. We all get cake. Oh, I am. Uh-oh. Oh, I am. Okay. So let's hear this hometown story.

Is this a Fairfax murder? No, it's very close. Terra Linda. Okay. It's Terra Linda. Yes. Super creepy. This is called the barbecue murders.

I'm not fucking with you. I wrote it down. I'm terrified right now. Okay. Just read it. Terra Linda is like a weird suburban colony of San Rafael. It's not a town. It's where the mall is.

That's where you go to go to the mall. That's right. It's eerie. It's super weird there. So I'm just going to read because I will start talking and barfing all of you guys. That'd be kind of cool. That's what our podcast motto is. We're super punk rock like that.

I was born in 1982. It's clearly this is not about you. It was a rainy day in October. There's this thing about Terra Linda. It just feels like it was stuck in the 80s. It's like you go there to go to the mall and it's the 80s and it's creepy. And there's the Kaiser up on the hill. There's the Kaiser at the mall.

That's all that there is there. Yeah. And a bunch of, and a bunch of tract housing and like a sizzler. Yeah. I used to get my allergy shots at that Kaiser three times a week. Yeah. Yeah. Girl.

Anyway, this really horrible double murder happened there in 1975. Okay. Here come my notes. Let's hear them. By a 16 year old girl named Marlene Olive and her fucking loser boyfriend named Chuck. Chuck. He was 20. She was 16 and he was 20.

It was the 70s. Every 20 year old in the 70s was named Chuck. And dating a 16 year old. Yeah. Yeah. This is the guy that sold drugs to the high school kids. Not for money, but to be cool. Yeah.

Yeah. And remember we were all out of factor. You just theorizing. I got that off Wikipedia. Okay. Okay. Okay. Girl, you know.

Okay. Anyway, they started dating and Marlene was really troubled and she was adopted and she found out when she was really young that she was adopted on accident. So she was all kinds of fucked up. She wasn't adopted on accident. No. She was adopted when she found out on accident. Thank you.

She found out on accident. I played some gasps. Like what the fuck? What the fuck? We have a kid now. No, we have to keep her. Oh, we got the wrong luggage at the airport. Oh well.

Oh wow. She had a great relationship with her adoptive father, but her adoptive mother was a schizophrenic who was psychotic and was really mean to her and basically told her that her birth mom was a prostitute and that she was going to be one too. And all the stuff that makes you fucked up. I mean, yes. And then young Marlene yelled back sex worker. Exactly.

Exactly. It was the 70s. It was the 70s. And needless to say, it was the 70s. She got super into the occult. Oh yeah. It's not real. And doing lots of drugs.

And she hated her mom, obviously, because she was crazy and super mean. And she decided that her parents had a die. And she also decided that her loser boyfriend had to be the one to kill them. Oh, that's a good call, actually. Keep your hands clean, Marlene. Right? I mean... You got to succeed.

Not so dumb. Anyway, she had all the control in the relationship, obviously, because he agreed to do it. So one day she leaves the house with her dad and Chuck sneaks in and kills Naomi, her mom, with a hammer and a knife and some other stuff. And then Marlene's dad, Jim, comes home, finds Chuck, and Chuck shoots him as well. So both parents are dead. Oh no. Mission accomplished.

Yeah. And that's the end of it? So Chuck and Marlene clean up the place and take the bodies to this beautiful state park in Santa Fe called China Camp. China Camp. Yeah. I've had a Mickey's big mouth or two there, myself. Gorgeous.

Gorgeous. I can't go there ever again. Yeah. And also just FYI, the barbecue pit that they set the parents on fire and has been removed. Oh. So don't try to find it. Yeah. Don't worry about it.

You're like, why does this burger taste so good? Hence the barbecue. Yeah. So I'm a vegan. Set mom and dad on fire, went home, kind of right after they did that, because logic left them burning. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

And then they went to go live in the olive's home for about three days. The plan was to wait until the parents were pronounced dead and they collected the life insurance and then they could go move to Ecuador. Yeah. How simple is that? Live their lives. I can't imagine that plan didn't involve a joint at some point. Apparently they went to a yes concert.

Oh my God. Do not blame this on yes. During that time. Do not blame that. I don't even care. I don't even. Anyway, they were caught, of course, because they're idiots. He is in prison for life.

She went to some juvenile something. She was 15 or 16. She was released after two years, moved to LA, became some superstar in the, like, forgery. She did a lot of forgery. Oh yeah. And you now know her at Gwyneth Pouch? I thought that's what you were going to say. She's a superstar.

Don't say anything. The similarities are uncanny. Uncanny. We all have pasts. Exactly. I quickly have two connections to this murder, besides just being a super weird kid and totally obsessed with this at the age of 10. I made my mom drive me to the house that it happened in.

That's so cute. When you were 10? Yes. Oh, that's so cute. And your mom did it. Oh yeah. Yes. She was, like, secretly, I think, kind of into it, even though she's like, this is weird.

If I had a 10-year-old, everyone says that. Yeah. She was into it. She drove by, but the really creepy thing is that when I was 13, I started babysitting for a family about a block away from that house, and it's all trapped housing there. So all the houses are the same in the best-selling true crime book by Richard Levine about this story called Bad Blood, a Marin County family murder. Oh.

So there's a colon at the end of blood. Okay. And he draws a layout of the home where both of these parents were murdered. And it's exactly the same as the house that I used to babysit in. And I just remember being 13 and, like, putting these kids down and walking around and being like, this is where this happened. I'm scintillated and excited and terrified. Pretty much everything I'm feeling right now.

Yes. I'm done. That's it. So good. It's so pretty. So good. Really good. From a tweet.

We trusted the tweet. Chloe! I mean... You just tell her to go away. What's that? Nothing. That was magical. Yeah.

I love when that happens and it's not like some weird person. I know, it never is. No, I've even done it twice. Yeah, it's true. That is true. I just like that, what if we didn't, if we were just like, forget it, we're not gonna do that,

and then she would have that little folded up piece of paper in her pocket. But that's not what happened, everybody. It's like, it's someone else now. Oh, really? Steven offered to drive up from Los Angeles to bring my passport. Oh, my, okay.

I gotta tell you what, ever since Steven has been promoted from just the guy that records our podcast, so we don't have to move the dials and stuff, we were like, Steven, you please help us with these emails. And he's like, okay, I totally will. He's completely organized, all of our hometown murder emails.

But now he's turned into the super assistant, where like, what did he say? He was like, He said, were you my text today? Yes. He was like, hey, I just wanna let you know, you're on your way to a hotel, and they have a printer, so if you need to print out your story,

it's there, and I'm like, I don't have fucking hotels work, Steven. He's doing, he's like, calling hotels. Yes, I need to speak to the business center, please. Do you have paper? She likes this kind of grain. Don't look her in the eye when she goes into the business center.

I actually didn't print it up there, and I was gonna send it to them, but it said speed freak killers, the name of the documents. I was like, I'm gonna print it at the venue. Just a little paperwork for my job. So yes, hi to Steven Ray Morris for being an Angel Baby. Steven Ray Morris.

Yeah. You know who else is the best? Who? The Fox Theater in Oakland, California. Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Thank you all so much. Thank you guys.

This is amazing. We love you for coming here. Thank you. We love you for getting tickets and fucking being a part of our world. First night of our tour. You are there. First night.

You know what? Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Bye. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome.