My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 59 - Live At The Wilbur

Episode Date: March 9, 2017

We're in the combat zone for a live episode of My Favorite Murder in Boston! Karen and Georgia cover the Molly Bish case and a serial killer who called himself The Giggler!Follow along with the visuals from this week's episode here by scrolling through the images as seen originally on stage: https://www.instagram.com/p/BRbOol7D5om/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You have to do it. Oh my God. This is terrifying. They never... Usually there's an orchestra pick keeping you guys from us. They never let you guys this close. I know. We had a...

On all our other tour stops. Hi Boston! Hi Boston! I don't know if anyone's up there just waving at the roof. No, they're there. I thought you flipped them off. I just saw someone leave to go to the bathroom. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or they couldn't handle it. Nope. Thought this was a get out. So they did. So they did. So they did. Hi. Hi everybody.

This is... Thank you. Us too. This is a lot. This is a lot. And it's fucking right here. I know. I don't know why.

It's not like we're ballerinas. We're so used to the orchestra, but... It looks like... Yeah, it's exciting. We'll ring in the top. Well, first we do Outfit Show. Ready? Right.

Fuck. Thank you. Thanks. Yep. Just take it around. Don't be afraid to take it around. I don't have pockets, but I had a tissue put in here because I have allergies earlier, and it looked great, and I lost it.

Grandma? Yeah. My grandma used to always have four tissues up her sleeve. Really? Like the worst magician of all time. I need to do that. Ta-da. Not always.

This is the dress that I wore, that I got in Chicago that I wore in our very first live show. Right. I mean, you don't have to scream for that, but I went snopping yesterday, and I picked out almost the exact same dress by the same person. The whole thing, it's just like the sleeves were this much shorter, and I was like... Jessica Simpson? I'm just gonna learn that old dress.

Yep. I'm wearing a Jessica Simpson tonight. Thank you. You don't have to be blonde to like bad fashion. I need to stop wearing dresses with any kind of flair because then I can't, well, in my mind, I can't re-wear them. Oh. You know what I mean?

I have like, I have 400 dresses. You can't be seen. Yeah, it's just... Well, you have enough to choose from, though. Yeah, but not black ones. I'm like, colors! And like, I'm like, what's her name from Threes Company? The Neighbor.

Chrissy. Oh, the slutty neighbor? Mrs. Roper. Oh, Mrs. Roper. She's slutty? Yeah, Mrs. Roper, the slutty slut neighbor. No, in the later seasons, there was a slutty neighbor who wanted to fuck Jack constantly. Oh, please.

And it was this, it used to embarrass me as a child when he'd open the door and it'd be, what was her name? Janice? Lana. Lana. Is that correct, or are you just yelling slut names? Sorry to all the Lana's in here, but you kind of knew already. Jack would open the door and then she'd be like, hello, Jack.

And I'd be like, dial it back. They like it when you don't like them. I didn't know that because of TV shows from the 80s, or it's like, here I am, take it! And I'm like, wow. Oh, um, I'm sorry about that. I also brought like my only nice heels that I own that I wore one time almost a year ago at my wedding. Uh-huh.

That still had like glitter on the upside down of them on the heel, and then I got to, I took them out of the hotel and I was like, absolutely not, I'm not doing this. So I have flat down because, what the fuck, I'm not a fucking... You're basically wearing those socks that you wear under slip on shoes, right? Yeah, and I'm sure they smell and they're like... You could slip another pair of shoes on top of those shoes, if you felt like that. My God, you just kind of blew my mind and now I'm like, oh, well I could wear them though because no one would know the difference.

Exactly right. That's fine. It wasn't a slam. My life is better. Especially because coming from this area where I just a quick negative shout out to my sister Laura who, after seeing us at the Oakland show, which was our first stop on this tour, um, yeah, a shout out to Oakland, she texted and said, I thought the show was great, but you have to get rid of those tights you're wearing.

What's wrong with your tights? Uh, this is what it is to have an older sister. So then I was like, I'm not fucking gonna get it, those are the tights I like, whatever. And then of course, that's the first thing I bought yesterday. I was like, do you have any, um, very sheer, my sister needs to see me in a sheer tight. Control top would be great. Control top, whatever price, I'll pay whatever price. And so then that's what I did.

Now I look like, I look like an orphan child that's been in the ash bin. That's not, no, this isn't the look I do. This isn't my jam at all. So once I saw how sheer the tights are, I was like, well, I'm not wearing heels. Now fuck everything. I'm going to clog town. Yeah. Right.

This tour is now called, we don't give a shit about shoes. My, my favorite murder story. Is there enough time to get that on the shirts? Joe, please. Can we get, Steven, can you go ahead and go ahead and Steven and Steven is not here. He's not here, but we don't bring him with us sometimes. He'll edit this though and that part will mean the world to him. Yeah.

I texted him and I was like, you know, we were like edits on this and then I was like, hey, um, you know, we, we talk a lot of shit to you and I just want to make sure you know that we're joking and it's funny because you're the most amazing fucking person and we'll, but we'll dial it back if you like, if it's like hurting your feelings. He's like, no, I love it. Of course he was like, no, it's great. We had a really great bit going on the lost episode, the Vancouver lost episode. It just didn't get recorded for some reason.

And the whole thing was, I think it was Vancouver. It was about how Steven was hiding underneath this tablecloth. It was like mixer sitting in his mic. Super nerd. There was a random cat under there. Yes. There was just a cat he found in the alley and he was just stroking his mustache. He's listening to the live episode.

He really does that. Did you have you noticed? He does. He's like, he's a bit of a nervous Nelly. So he does a little bit of this, you know, he has a little bit of this, which is like, he's halfway to one of these like whimsical facial hair guys. Yeah. Oh, let's talk about ice cream.

Okay. Hard left turn. Yeah. Steven ice cream cat. I want to shit on Steven for at least 10 minutes. Okay. Ice cream it is. We, so we got a gift backstage of ice cream.

It says hi Karen and Georgia love the show, so I made you a flavor at my company. It's called Elvis wanna cookie bacon banana bacon peanut butter cookie butter. Sorry, Karen. There's sugar in it. Sad face. Oh, that's okay. I'm eating sugar again. Yeah.

Yeah. Thanks you guys. Stay sexy Jacqueline and it's called the parlor ice cream. You guys been there? Jacqueline. Fucking good. Just really quick. Banana bacon.

Oh, I said it too fast. Peanut butter cookie butter. That's what we ate backstage. We came out here. That's why we're really excited to be here. Sugar. It's so good. It's so good.

It's named after my fucking cat. Bring us presents if you want us to talk about you. I'm reading the Elizabeth smart biography called my story. Did you say biography? Nope. Biography. Well, here's the thing. That's an in the room joke.

Nobody at home is going to get that if they listen to this. The black doll you're writing for autobiography. Thank you. I'm writing in my car and why are they laughing? I feel left out. Now I'm angry at a podcast. I better take to social media and tell them exactly how I feel. Gosh, I wish they understood.

Sorry. Sorry. No, I don't care. Truly. Oh, yeah. So if you ever want to feel bad about feeling bad about your life and then just read the Elizabeth smart story. The girl got kidnapped in Utah and lived as this guy's wife as a kid.

This whole time I thought you were talking about Elizabeth short, the black doll, yeah. That's why I was making that face. That's why the biography. Oh, I get it. I thought I was missing something. Shit. You were. You were missing the fact that I didn't get what you were talking about.

I thought I said the wrong thing word again for a thing. So I was like, yeah. That's right. That's called improv, my friend. You laugh at things you don't understand. Steven. Edit that out. Steven.

That never happened. How do you think it's funny if it's the black doll you're writing on the bar? I knew that was funnier than you were giving it. And you look like her. I was totally in the wrong on that one. I'm so sorry. I'm so glad I clarified who she was. She got kidnapped and she's writing, she wrote her own story about it.

And fuck, she is like, man, maybe it's because she's into God and stuff, but she's like, so strong. And it makes me like, okay, I'll talk to this guy. It's going to make me not settle my couch and have anxiety all day about the vacuum. I don't know. Don't you think it's like she's got a little perspective? Exactly. Yes.

It comes, those things come hand in hand. A little bit. So I'm going to steal some of hers. Yes. And then I'm going to use it to my advantage just to make money. Is that what that's for? That's what books are for. Hi, plane ride.

Guys, we have a thing to tell you. We upgraded to first class on the way out here. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, mom. I know it's wrong. No, it's not. I flew my dad coach and I flew first class. I tell you where to sit now, dad.

It's my money. I can do it. What I want with it. I gave him, I got an extra leg room, you know, the little, you know, he's fine. He's fine. Marty. He's had a great time. He's not here.

We on the other hand had smoked pear yogurt tasters right when we sat down. Oh my God, they give you food. They give you food and it's so embarrassing because I so didn't know how to do it that I was like, I'll have the smoked pear yogurt tasters and they're like, everybody gets that. Great. I'm going to keep pretending that I know how this pod works. And then I got up to the bathroom gate, made carrot in the face and then she goes, did

you have the sandwich? And the sandwich thing and I was, yeah. It was, I'm sorry. They did it right though because it was a biscuit, like breakfast sandwich on a biscuit with, right? With scrambled eggs, some kind of chicken patty sausage and then pimento cheese. What? No, Aunt Carol.

Yes, I'm telling you. At first I was like, this is the worst Thanksgiving ever and then I ate it and I was like, you're geniuses. I love chef. It's like those cheese, pub cheese. Yes. Oh, I would eat pub cheese for the rest of my life. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Should we sit down? Sure. What else do you want to say? I feel like there was one other thing but it doesn't matter. Probably. Oh, I remember when I went and brought you coffee, I went to Starbucks. I don't just, I'm not her assistant.

I went. I'm just pulling to note right now. I'm not, I'm not Stephen when we travel. I'm just a good person and was like. Again, he won't mind. Yeah. He's like, yeah, I get some coffee. He brings care in a diet coke every week we record.

It's the cute. Without even asking. I know. He steals it from his work. Don't tell them. Thanks, Luke. Great. Just kidding, Stephen.

You can edit that out. Edit that out, Stephen. Don't lose your job, Stephen, because we're not paying you enough yet. We will. He's going to, don't worry. He'll get some kind of massive cut in the end. We both die. He'll inherit the house or whatever.

I think we've said a lot of that on the podcast. Like if you don't get anything or you get everything, I don't remember. Anyway, so I'm a good person and brought you coffee. Yes. And then you, you open the door and I hand you the coffee and you're like, I, I have to finish my murder. And I was like, okay, bye. And I was like walking away.

And I was like, God, if someone in the fucking hallway heard that. I didn't even think of that. I hadn't either. Just some old ladies stepping out to go to some kind of a museum or cemetery or whatever you guys have here. Georgia, just give me the coffee. I have to finish this murder. I like the, I can't tell people like the normal, really sweet normal guy on the plane next

to me. I was like, what are you doing in town? Which, you know, I was like, I'm here for a shut thing. And I couldn't be like, I love murder. So there's like really normal guy. We laugh and laugh about murder for hours. Love it. Love it.

I have to finish my murder. I mean, I mean, I kind of wish someone would hear that. Okay, now should we sit down? All right. Yep. Thank you. I know it's sitting as well. Definitely.

That's better. Yeah. I don't know. My, my spanks, my spanks are fighting a losing battle. There's no like, it's very, we, we asked for specifically this setup. I don't know why. Like we're like, could you, could you like dangle us on a precipice for an hour? So that we just feel weird.

I don't want it to be bigger than a quarter. Like I don't want the table to be bigger than what's, what's a funny thing. Than me. Than my ass. I want any room to put things on. I need to feel petite. So the table has to be Barbie sized. Please.

Please. And then let's get those chairs. Like the first time we had these chairs and I was wearing high heels, I was like, I'm going to fall off this chair. Yeah. And now that we're five in, I've gotten okay used to it, but we got to think of something. We got to think. Well, this is our first time with graphics.

What are they called? Yeah. Check it out. No one's had this before. Yeah. We've never done that. Go ahead. Look at it.

I didn't look at it before. Take it in. That's my name right there. That's my name right there. Oh, yeah. This is my favorite murder, by the way. Karen. That's you, Georgia.

I'm Georgia. I'm the other one. Why did I reach up in a dress like this? Guys. I was walking on the street. Tonight? Just tonight? Yeah.

Just tonight. Around the corner. That really was. And then I saw the corner of my eye. I recognized the thing and I looked up and it was the front of the thing with the projector on it. Well, you? Yeah, me?

I know. And it got sold out really big. And so I went in the street and took a photo of it. I'm so excited. Thank you, by the way. Thank you for selling us out. Yeah. That's very nice.

Thank you. Hasn't gotten old yet. Imagine if we were here on Theater Row and everybody, like the blue man group and everybody just pitied us. They were just like, did you hear they sold 50 tickets? Or just said not sold out? Yep. Super available.

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Because graphics have to be, because Steven needed to know. Also, some people might be off count. This is the dumbest thing in the world. Our irresponsibility has become like a fun game for people. Or like our total lack of really almost interest in our own project. But also when we were on the road, we switched it up one night and I swear to God, where were we? I think that made them in Seattle.

People were not happy. Right. They were like, it's Georgia's turn. We were like, okay. Alrighty. I mean, it's a joke. We don't know. It's nobody's turn.

It's everyone's turn. It's nobody's turn. Think about it. It's everyone's turn. It doesn't exist. Okay. All of it. Okay.

I'll go first. This is the murder. Welcome to my favorite murder. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

Sorry. Sorry. No, that was good. That's Karen. I'm Georgia. All right. This is the murder of Molly Bish. Oh.

It's fucked up. Half of people are upset. Half of them are excited. No one's excited, excited. I just like, it's the same feeling I have where I go. I fucking seen this one four times. Tell me about it. Yeah.

Oh, I bet I know. I remember this part. Yes. All right. Well, while I did some digging and I came up with some, I didn't come, I compiled some suspects. You solved the case? I solved the case.

Okay. Summer of 2000, Molly Bish is working as a lifeguard at Commons Pond in Warren. Who's from there? Nobody. Is Warren shitty? Everyone's like, ooh. Yeah. Well, that's what she...

No. Okay. So her mom is dropping her off at a shift for her lifeguard duty. And again, she's 16 years old and the mom sees a mustache man in a white sedan in the parking lot of... Steven! Oh my God! No heckling, but that was really good.

We usually don't let... Somebody down in the orchestra pit was like, Steven? Well, when you see the composite, it might be Steven. He really is shaping up to be a real sexual offender. Can we edit that before Steven gets it, please? He's the loveliest person in the world, but facial hair wise, very suspicious. What a baby. He can never sit in a sedan ever again.

You know how he loves sitting in sedans, too. He loves to go park in a parking lot. Yeah. Can't do it. Says it relaxes him. Okay. All right. The mom sees a mustachioed man in a white sedan in the parking lot of the beach area where

Molly's post was located. And the mom was like, what the fuck, that guy's shady. And so she waits till the guy drives away. And then the next day, you know, she hadn't thought about the next day, she goes to drop her off and she kind of does a little check and he's not there. So she's like, great. And leaves her. And we know that Molly made it to her lifeguard stand because a witness saw her at 10.07 a.m.,

but by the time the first group of swimmers got to the beach around 10.15, Molly was already gone, missing. Hours later, police contacted Molly's mom, informing her that no lifeguard had been on duty all day, which has to be a fucking awful call. And that Molly's belongings had been left unattended at her station. The only clue, like her flip-flops were there and everything, the only clue was that the first aid kit that was by the chair was open. And it made people speculate that someone asked Molly for assistance and was like, do

you have a thing and she went to look for it and then, you know. Ted Bundy's style, like, oh, my arm is broken. Can you open your first aid kit? Totally. So the mom was like, this fucking creepy man was here yesterday and made me creeped out and so Maggie, the mom, tells someone what she looked, what he looks like and they draw a composite sketch of him. And they said the man is the best lead and witnesses came forward and said that they

had a similar white car in the parking lot moments before Molly and the mom arrived, the day Molly disappeared. And so police produced a composite sketch. Oh, you guys like that? Oh, I didn't realize. I'm new with this. Fuck. Steven.

It's Steven Ray Morris senior. I thought people were freaked out by the word composite sketch. I know. They like the way you pronounced it. Yeah, wrong. I don't want to see that guy anywhere. I don't want to see that guy anywhere. I know.

That's malice in the eyes. Yeah, that's what she said. He looked cocky, she said. Right? Okay. Sorry, hold on. I think the visual aids are really adding a huge advantage to this show. Yeah.

We're like, all we need is a tiny table and some uncomfortable chairs. We're fine. Maybe people want to see things. We just need you to whittle down a normal size table and then get us really high cocktail chairs. I'll take care of the bad nylons. Whatever else you feel like doing,

you can go ahead and do it. Great. Great. Okay. Then began what became the largest and most important search for a missing person ever undertaken

in Massachusetts, but no clues were ever found. Until late fall of 2002, a hunter is in the woods, and he sees a blue bathing suit on Whiskey Hill in Palmer.

Anyone? Anyone? No. Cool. You can't cheer if you just recognize it. That's not... They're like, yeah, someone probably lives there. I've seen Palmer. Yeah. Emerson Lake, and I love that band.

You rolled your eyes at your own reference just now. I do that. That just came out of my mouth. That girl is something else. So the dude doesn't think anything of it, but he mentions it to his friend, and the friend is like,

I'm really smart and I make the connection. He does it. His name is Tim McGew... Nope. His name is Tim, and he makes the connection. We call him Tim Mickey. Tim Mickey. Mickey G. Tim McGee. The old sharp eye,

Timmy. That's what we call him. Brainy brain investigator. He contacts police. Whatever his name is, he contacts police. Then on June 9th, 2003, day after my birthday,

put it in your calendar. Yeah. So it's two years after disappearing. Molly's body is found five miles from her family home. Yeah. So he had seen the blue bathing suit, and then a fuck.

There are three main suspects that I could find, and I'm going to list them in maybe they did it, to yeah, they totally did it order. Yeah. And a man named Robert Brno, who's 54, is charged with a...

Oh, my God! You guys, I can't... I can't forget him. I thought it was like that guy ran for Senate, and he was a Trump guy. I just thought I said it wrong again. That's what happened to us in Seattle.

I fucking mentioned the detective that was investigating the Green River Killer that Ted Bundy helped. I say the guy's name. The audience goes fucking berserk booing us, and I was like, well, that was a fun run. I guess we're not doing this anymore.

He's some lunatic Republican or whatever. Oh, my God, yeah. There he is. I like that we're standing up like Victorian gentlemen for every fucking criminal that comes up.

So Robert Brno, he's 54. Kind of, right? Well, he's got those eyes. Jesus Christ. And a mustache. And this is when he's older, too, so it could be very different.

So he's charged with annoying and accosting a person of the opposite sex. She's like, dude. And assault with a dangerous weapon. A car. Was he just pulling up

and tapping her with the bumper? Hey, hey. Hey, what's going on? Actually, yeah. What? This chick is, this young woman is running on Broomfield's little alum road

and he keeps trying to pin her against the guardway with his car. Yeah, you can't pepper spray a car. I mean. What do you fucking do? That's that's

I feel like that's really unfair. I know. To try to pin someone with your car when they're just a jogger. That's when you have the least amount of clothes on. Yeah. Like at least, yeah, anyway. At least get near enough that I could maybe pepper spray you.

She got away, she got away, she got away. So the only connection that is known of, Bruno's brother lives about 3.2 miles from where Molly was found and he's fucking assaulting a woman.

He had lived in the town of Agawam? I knew you'd help. Say it again, I'm sorry. Agawam. So you fucking know that one, but you know the other ones are easy to fucking say, that's cool.

What? What? Fuck you. What's done? Thank you. Thank you. I'm truly embarrassed about that one.

I mean, there's so many things to choose from, why pick that? Please. I am from Southern California, so hard. There's just no way. I find that what helps with the Boston accent

is when you put your shoulders up and squint your eyes like, what's this? I don't know why. Can I say too that two of the nicest people on the street helped me with something that in LA they would have yelled at me for.

I dropped something and two people were like, hey, like ran me down. I was being this fucking idiot and looking at my phone, like a dick, it was totally me being it. They were really nice, so thanks Boston. What's the sidebar anecdote about something that happened?

I just want to say how nice everyone is, even though they scream names at me. I thought you were going to be like, how they came up to you with their accents or something. They had like the best accents too. Do it. I'm not going to offend them again. They don't care, they love it.

You dropped your books. My mother saw you drop your books. Something like that? Theater school. Years and years of theater school. Maybe later, maybe later. I'm sweating.

3.2 miles from where Molly is found. He lived in the town of Agawam. Pretend it's a sing-along. It's a call and repeat. Where 24-year-old Lisa Zygart was...

fuck, man. Zygart. I just wish you guys would all come to my house and I'll yell fucking names at you. It's kill Gareth with an A. It's a flat A. Fartstark.

Georgia. No, it's Georgia. Karen, it's really easy. I can't yell at you about that. Okay. So Lisa was abducted from her part-time job at a card shop on April 15th, 1992.

And Agawam... She's doing it on purpose now. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. She's doing it for her attention. I am. It's about 30 miles from Warren. It's Warren. I'm sorry.

Now let's let her tell the story. I really wish she wouldn't. Lisa's body was discovered in a wooded area four days after she was abducted and she'd been stabbed to death. Her baby, I know. We were just having so much fun.

So can we bring it back fucking down? Yeah, let's bring it all the way down. A little alum road where Burno attempted to cross the jogger is about five miles from Common's Pond where Molly was abducted.

Yeah. You're getting one of those things like it was a procedural. There would be like a pin with a piece of thread. And then someone making a circle with it. If I were a professional, there would be a fucking map right here. I mean... Could you imagine a map with circles on it?

Red and green, what not? I was gonna... I really thought about it. It was kind of a map circle. Yeah, but... You had to curl that hair. This hair doesn't curl itself. Girl stuff.

And then... Oh, and also his mugshot resembles the person the mother saw. And she said that the similarities between them are frightening. Alright. Suspect number two.

In November 2011, a bastard Tony... Gerald. I was so proud of myself. We're getting there. I'm sorry. No, you're right. Well, you're all freaked out now.

You're so sweaty. Let's get this dry clean. Take it out of my... Shit. It's evil in this area. Like, it doesn't, but it does. Look at those eyes. Look at that pow...

That grimace. That mean... It's him. Also, those are the same eyes of every 58-year-old woman in Beverly Hills. That's what it looks like when you get plastic surgery. Nobody ever believes you're younger.

That's some bloat right there. You just look like a potential murderer. That's a fucking... That's some hardcore natty light bloat happening right there. I think it's him. Look at them. In the middle of his eyes, the brow furrow.

Dude. If I could do anything with computers, what I would do right now is an animated gif that draws on that mustache on that picture. Kind of real sketch. I love when they take the two, the real picture and the sketch,

but it's not him even. You can be convinced of anything. You're just like, the picture's blended and it makes him guilty. Gerald. His name's Gerald. He was a confidential informant for the Eastern Hampton

County Narcotic Task Force, which he's a narc. That doesn't mean he's like a good guy. He was like a fucking... got arrested and was like, I'll tell you everything. He's a fucking rat. Now I'm doing New York. I've lost my...

We'll be there tomorrow. Bop, bop, bop, bop. Where did I go? Okay. So, he's a jerk and he... He's named as a suspect by a private detective and he's served a prison sentence for repeatedly

raping a teenage girl in the 1990s. I know. I think it was his girlfriend's best friend's daughter. He's a fucking creep piece of shit. Okay. So, he had a criminal record dating back to 1980

and he had been in the area where Molly Bish's body was found and resembles the sketch. And then... Who doesn't? I mean, spit my photo up there. He attempted suicide in prison by slitting his own throat

after newspaper articles identified him as a potential suspect. Wait. But he's already in jail? In jail for something unrelated. It comes out in the paper and they're like... And now he's ashamed. Yeah, I think he's there for the...

No, now he's like, oh shit, I absolutely did it. Goodbye. You know what I mean? Yeah. And you also don't... I don't think you like slit your own throat. Like, that's not a chill. Like, I'm going to make it look like I want to die. Like, that's not a... No, you're out. You're out of there.

Yeah. So, but unrelated to the suicide, he died in November 2014. So you're saying he did it? Well... That's number two. That's number two. And then finally... Don't make me decide yet. Okay.

This is like the dating... the worst dating game... ever. Do you want the Weasel-I bachelor number one? Now you can take this... the sketch guy. Take this... the guy who was sketched out. And then he'll kill you. All right. So in 2009,

last suspect, a woman named Crystal Morrison, who's 50, she's a former... former Warren local who's now living in Florida. She makes a series of really weird calls to her sister Bonnie. And in the calls, Crystal is whispering and would bring up the topic of murder

and repeatedly ask the name of Bonnie's bird, which was Molly. Like in a really weird, like... like to make her keep saying it. Trying to give her some kind of signal. Yeah. And the sisters found... the crystals found dead. And Bonnie, the sister who was on the phone,

was like, tells Massachusetts authorities about her sister's boyfriend who ends up getting convicted for the murder of Crystal. Bonnie tells them that... that Rodney... Where did I put his name? Rodney, he had lived in... this guy had lived in Southbridge, Massachusetts,

a few miles. No, it's that guy. Someone's like, I live in Southbridge, too. It's got to be this guy. That's that guy. I don't know. I think the other... Yeah. Yeah. It's this guy.

I wish we could see his photo. Like, this is 2009, I think. I wish we could see him and... I wish he would put a bunch of walnuts in his cheeks so he would match that guy. Then we'd know. That's how we know. Let's give him a facelift in jail.

That's all. You guys will all band together, start a Kickstarter. I'm sorry, but this is our new show, where we just are like, look at pictures. Yeah. Where people gasped at us, we freak out, and then we all turn and look at the photos.

We forget over and over, like lunatics. Over and over. All right, so this psychopath... So, he lived in the area a few miles from the town of Warren, where Molly disappeared for more than 20 years and moved to Florida a year after

Molly was murdered. Red flag. He was known to have access to a white car, similar to the one seen the day before Molly's disappearance, and was known to fish in Common's pond and hunt in the woods where Molly's body had been found.

Near the area. Multiple areas. And it wasn't until 2013, a further connection between them, between Molly and Rodney, appeared. Weeks before her disappearance, in Southbridge, Molly, who lives in Warren,

she actually took the classes for the certification for her lifeguard certificate. Oh, his name is Rodney Stranger, by the way. Stranger, making a murderous stranger. Just in the L away. What? Oh, oh.

Sorry. So, she's taking her certification for lifeguarding, and it's in Southbridge where he lives. And so, his house is just three-tenths of a mile from the place where she takes her classes, which I think is the YMCA. So, like, he probably goes and hangs out there too.

And then, it's speculated that the two maybe met, there's a local coffee shop where everyone hangs out, and she's really friendly and outgoing, her parents said, and so, if he was like chatting her up and they were talking, and he's like, what are you doing in town? And she's like, oh, I'm going to be a lifeguard.

Oh, when are you going to go? Oh, I go to Commons Pond, I fish there, you know what I mean? Maybe I'll come visit, you know? And then he comes up to her lifeguard stand, and he's like, hey, remember me, I need a Band-Aid. And she's like, okay, because she fucking trusts him. Oh, it's my good friend from the cafe with the huge mustache and the worst eyes

I've ever seen. I better help him. Yeah. Yeah. And in September of last year, so just September 2016, enhanced DNA testing, quote, became available in September

for like the DNA that they had. So detectives wanted to test it, 24 pieces of evidence collected during the investigation, additional evidence that had never been tested. It hasn't been tested yet, and the sister said she had not been told which items will be tested, but it came from the pond

where Molly was last seen. So here's Molly Bish, a photo of her. I know. I had that flannel, I think. I know all those pictures of her. You just know that girl. I know.

You went to high school with that girl. Look at her choker. She has a necklace, like a hemp necklace. Wait, is this 1997? 2000. No, you have to deal with it. We have microphones. She slammed you.

Out of my fucking mouth. That's my new laugh. I know you. Karen, it's so charming. Isn't it neat? Yeah. So hopefully they'll test that DNA and we'll get an update on this case.

And then Rodney Stringer, who's clearly the fucking killer. Should we make a friendly wager on it? Yeah. $2,000, it's not. No, I'm just kidding. I was like, that's a lot of first class clients. That's one.

That's one way. Let's all go to the jail cell where he's in right now. Fucking beat it out of him. What? We're not allowed to say information like that? No. Oh, because then they're like, she's incited people to... There's 3,000 people here.

No, there's not. I don't even... Don't let me get arrested. Edit out any arrest or problem that I call it. The rest of my life. Yeah, I saw... I saw that her mom

is on one special that's heartbreaking. Why? Because her mom, you know, worked so hard to find her and was so active and it's very sad. There's also one of the... It's like the worst funny thing

of all time. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? It's gonna be fun. It's a local news report and they are talking about this case but when they go to put up that guy's picture, Stranger,

it's a picture of a hamster instead. What? I was not expecting that. It is so funny, terrible, because the reporter, it's very sad and serious. It's well into the case. Who did that?

Some fuck up in like the graphics department was like, then we do the hamster story and it's like, no, no, no, no. Please double check that. We don't have that. Yeah, it's a fucking spot on. I thought you were gonna say it was like, it was the like vacations photos

from the newscaster. No, that's a worm. You have to look it up because it's also here's how I'm, you know, my early murdering, the first time somebody showed me that it was like in a writer's room and instead of laughing at the hamster,

I was like, I know the Molly Bish case and then that's what I wanted to talk about or just like that's actually an incredibly sad case because I know, I hate when people like casually bring something up that has, that they don't even care about murder and then you're like, oh, you know that

it's crazy about that case is that this happened and you don't want to hear it. Vince was trying to help me find like a murder for New York and then I was like, oh, that case is cool because and then he was just like, I'm just giving you name. He was like, please stop telling me about bodies being found in fucking

drums, not like, you know. That's a... Oh dear. That's better for worse. He agreed to bodies and drums. Listen, I have to watch wrestling sometimes. Yeah, that's right. Murder, wrestling.

All right, you ready for this one? Yeah. Do you guys... I got all of this off of a blog called, I did it for Jody. Have you read that? I've never seen it before

and it's a person that told this story really well so this is fucking straight up plagiarism. But it's a really good true crime blog. Yeah. So shout out and full apologies. Don't sue me, I changed every fourth word. Okay.

This is the case, Boston's notorious case of the Giggler. Do you know the Giggler? In California we call him the Giggler. Nobody. But like, they made that up for people who, so they could tell

they're not from around here. That's right, it's a test. We're like, there's actually no Giggler. At 1.30 in the morning on June 13th, 1969, a call came through to the Boston PD switchboard and the voice on the other line said, my dear, at the corner of Washington,

that's the only, I can't really do it. Boston is really, is truly the hardest accent. You can tell, yes, you should be very proud of that. High fives all around. There's nothing worse than when a movie is set in Boston

and there are people who are bad actors in that movie. We can tell. Thank you, Boston. Don't worry, we don't think any of these people sound like that. Well, also it's just like, get fucking Matt Damon

if you can't get somebody that can do the act. I'm sure they have actors in Boston. There's so many Afflecks that want to be in this business. Pull them in. Get them in there. No. I know, right? We all have opinions, everybody.

So the guy on the other line at the Boston PD switchboard says, my dear, at the corner of Washington, I'm not trying to be in a movie right now. The corner of Washington and Neland streets in a construction site, a man down in the water dead.

Then he identified himself as the giggler, cackled like a maniac and hung up. Oh, can you imagine having to go home that night after taking that call? And be like, I talked to the biggest nerd in Boston tonight.

You're not going to fucking name yourself. Yes, he must have loved Batman or something. I'd be like, I want to kill people, but I'm also super nerdy. You just heard from the giggler. It gets so hard

to fake laugh anyway. It's hard to giggle. Then you also hear a man. Yeah. How would you do it? That sounds right. I bet she was not so much scared as she was so, so sad

for him. So when the police arrived at that location, which is a square in the middle of a place called, these guys know it, I don't know, Georgia, if you know it, it's called the Combat Zone. So it's a dirty, dirty, dirty place

here in Boston. I bet it's not anymore. Oh, we're in it! We're in it! We're in it right now? We're in the fucking Combat Zone? And then it just fucking turns into a strip show. Why would it happen?

Uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh. Steven! Take... Steven crawls out in a gold-lema bikini bottom. Go, go! No touching, no touching. I don't know why we're

stripping all this time. Fuck, we're in the Combat Zone, dude! Oh. Got it. All right. That changes my whole experience. Uh, so somewhere nearby here, um,

they find a dead man who is submerged with his skull crushed in a water-filled ditch. So this man, um, his name was Joe Breen, and according to his friends, he had spent his last night on earth drinking

at a bar, um, called the Novelty. I doubt. We're in it! Um, let's all go there after the show. Uh, I would because what he did on this last night on earth was

drink, beer, and play shuffleboard. Whoa! That's all I need. Sorry, that's a pretty fucking good way to go out. Maddie Lights and shuffleboard. Yeah. He would have been nicer if he just dropped dead at the shuffleboard area.

Or maybe not at all and lived a full life. It's everybody. Or whatever. All right. You're lucky, Karen! Woo! Fuck you! Mom, I told you not to come here!

Thank you! That's what tore us apart. That was a lot. That's insanely rude. Look. We're in the combat zone, baby. It's rough. It's rough in here. I'm going to go inside it, compliment and shit.

Okay. So his friends say that at the novelty is where Joe Breen met a chubby, dark-haired stranger who he continued to play shuffleboard with after his friends were like, no, let's go across the street to that other bar.

Uh, and then when the bar's closed, Joe's friends came back to the novelty to get him, but found that neither he nor his new friend were there anymore. And one of the guys that were in Joe's group of friends was a cop, and so

after the Joe's body was found, this guy went back to the novelty for like night after night for like a month to see if he could see the guy again, but the guy never showed up again. Yeah.

So six months later, on December 26th, nine-year-old Kenneth Martin is reported missing. Uh-huh. He was last seen near South Station. Um, oh, is that good? People are like, oh, that's Tony.

He must have been rich. South Station's bad. Okay. Well, that's appropriate because terrible things happened there, and I'm going to tell you what they are. On January 6th, an anonymous tipster calls and says

that Kenneth Martin's body can be found in one of the tunnels beneath South Station. Oh. But he didn't announce himself or laugh this time. I bet he felt stupid about the first time. He's like, I'm not doing that anymore. It's stuck anyway.

So the police went down there. It took two days to locate Kenneth's body and he was lying under a canvas tarp. He had been strangled to death and the twine was still around his neck. Um, but there were no signs of sexual assault.

It turns out that Kenneth Martin had worked at the South Station bowling alley. Is that still there? Don't you think it should be? I bet it's one of those, like, the old fashion ones that had the small little balls and you had to put their pins. Yes, it was.

What are you yelling? Candlepin. Candlepin. Candlepin. Southern California doesn't have that. We've got the biggest pins in the whole world. It was one of those because Kenneth's job

was to reset those pins. He made a little money resetting the pins at the shitty station bowling alley. But the good part about that was because he worked there, everybody else that worked there knew him and so they saw him

when he they basically saw the last person that was with him and that was Kenneth Harrison. 31, an unemployed cook who I knew somehow. Oh, he doesn't look chill. That is.

He looks like John Lennon got punched in the face a bunch. Yeah. Yeah, he's the beetle where they were like, you know, we're probably not going to do this that much anymore, so I don't think we need keyboards.

But we want your brother George. He can stay. He's doing, he's great. Yeah, so so this guy basically sleeps in unoccupied like offices and spaces in South Station,

which I hear is great. It's an up and coming area now. Those offices go for 3,500 a month. They call them lofts now. They're lofts now. So that's my place. You can't believe he hand wrote this.

I know. This is such a bad idea. This looks like fucking quills. Like it's like I'm a lunatic inside of an asylum. And then the man took the child. Jesus Christ. What is my life?

It's first class. Oh, I wrote, that's why I was so lost, because I just randomly wrote good eye bowling alley, dude. Don't cut. Stop it, Karen. Okay. I said

he'd been at the bowling alley long enough to know that if you see a 31-year-old cook and a 9-year-old boy palling around together and you're not at a magic, the gathering, gathering, then why don't you go ahead and call the police. And that's what they did. Ooh.

Whatever it takes. There's no way she's attacking magic, the gathering. She threw down. She doesn't give a fuck. She's more of a World of Warcraft kind of girl. I don't know if those are even close to each other. Turns out when the cops went to talk to Kenneth Harrison,

he, the day before, jumped on a train to Providence, Rhode Island. Hi. Is that a fun train trip? Yeah. It's close because never mind. What?

I met some nice murderinos when I was having lunch earlier and they told me where I rode island and I was like, oh, so did you guys come in for the day or like fly in and they're like, it's like an hour away. Would you take a boat or a train? Yeah.

We're very nice about it, though. Where we live, it takes seven hours to get anywhere else. Like in the city, in the same city. In that one city. Los Angeles and Boston are so different. Thank you. Oh, no, you're getting one.

Well, it's from the ladies at the bar. Oh, I see. They're the ones who talk to you about Providence, Rhode Island. I like to picture that it's like a soap dish thing where you're going up to people being like, where's Providence, Rhode Island? Do you listen to podcasts? Like, it's clearly a girl that's coming

to the show, you can just tell. You see her shirt. You have pins on, I know you're coming. All right, so the police bring and he's gone. The police bring Kenneth Harrison back to Boston and they interrogate him

and Kenneth tells police that he was he was sitting in an office and he was suddenly struck with the urge to kill him. That's when Kenneth rolled on by and he has no memory of it because he was black

out drunk. He claims that he woke up down in the tunnels next to the dead body. He covered it with the canvas and left because he he said he called it in

and then he left because he felt bad. And then the cops were like, oh, really, is that your story? And then Kenneth Harrison said, well, as long as I'm here, I might as well tell you about a few more. Because I'm the giggler! So

two and a half years earlier while he was, this is fucked up. We've been having a nice time so far. It's about to get really not that great. Well, he was working as a cab driver. He saw six-year-old Lucy

Paul Marin. She's going to come up in a second. Well, I mean, yeah. So he sees her walking. This is that thing too. She's six years old walking to the store to get candy. Six, six years old. Because it's the 60s.

She's this big. Go ahead, get out of here. I don't want to see you until the sun goes down. Go play. This is outside of Boston. Yeah. World of Warcraft isn't invented yet. Go play. Just go.

So he is in his cab. He offers her a ride. And she gets in. He's friendly enough. She gets in willingly. They drive around the neighborhood for a bit. And then he parks the cab on a bridge overlooking Fort Point Channel. Oh, God.

Which is this site of the Boston Tea Party, Georgia. You'll be tested later on that. What's that? I just didn't even know to begin with. Everyone's so pissed. I know what it is. It's hard. It's hard to be vulnerable. So they get out of the cab. And he encourages her to get on his back

because he's going to give her a piggyback ride. No. And then he tells the police he was again struck with that urge to kill. And so instead of putting her like up on his shoulders, which is not a piggyback ride, but it's

how the thing was written. So I just have to copy and paste as I see it. He, instead of lifting her to put her on his shoulders, he just throws her off the page. Oh, fuck. Yeah.

Get out. So five weeks later, Lucy's body is found on May 24th. But since there was no one witness, it was the middle of the day, nobody witnessed it happening, her death had been, was ruled accidental. And then on November 26, 1968,

while walking across that same bridge, he spots 75-year-old Clover Parker, an old lady who had been slipping on the ice and had a cane. And he, yeah, yeah,

he walked over to help her and was again struck with the urge to kill. And so he punched her in the face a couple of times and then threw her off the bridge, again in broad daylight. What is the situation with this bridge?

Is there a bunch of trees nearby? Why am I asking? Why am I asking it? Do you think anyone's on their first date right now? And one person was like, what do you want to do? And she's like, I want to go to this thing, you want to come? I really want you to like the thing I like.

And they're like, this state's over. Yeah. The one person's all, after this, we're going to go back and we're going to have some drinks. And the other person's like already texting their friend, like you have to fucking come get me at the Wobber right now.

Why did you set me up with her? What the fuck? That's fine. The bruising on her face, the beating was mistaken for post mortem injuries. And so again, it was ruled an accidental death. No.

Then seven months later is when he met up with Joe Breen and beat him to death with a rock. He had hit him in the head with a rock. But then in his confession, he wasn't done because then he rolled it all the way back to January 28, 1966,

which was the date of the Paramount hotel fire. That was a well-known hobo hotel here in the combat zone. We don't say hobo anymore. You can't say it? No.

Hobo's bad? No, it's not. Is it a train worker? No. You can say whatever you fucking know. I just, I don't know. That's what I heard. Really?

You know that anybody can type anything into that machine. They can just do whatever they want. Whoever Jody is, she didn't know yet. Jody didn't know. It's Jody Foster. I did it for Jody Foster. It's the Mark David Chapman quote.

Wait, what? It's a reference. Oh, okay. Oh. Transient. No, I'm scared of pictures coming up. Jody Foster picture. Hobo with the big fucking line through it.

Jesus. A transient hotel for people who did not have homes or money or people that loved him, so it was very much better than it normally had to be if you were just picturing a hobo with a little stick on his shoulder

and fucking patches on his knees. We cope in all these different ways. You can't tell people to cope differently. It was pre-1990s you can call him Hobo. I just decided. This is 66. Yeah, so you're good. The height of hobo action.

We'll stop. We'll stop. So he basically, 50 people were injured. It was decided that it was because of a gas leak until Kenneth Harrison explained that he set that hotel on fire because he wanted to watch it burn.

What? So he was tried for Kenneth Martin's murder first and he was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole and then just to get it all taken care of all together, his lawyers

struck a deal so that in exchange for him pleading guilty to second-degree murder in each case, each of the other cases he was given three life sentences with the possibility of parole to run concurrently with the one where there was no fucking way it was getting out. So it was all just kind of like

do you want this Kenneth? Okay. Can you imagine like that's the best, his best bet? Yeah. Like they're not fucking around. He's like could I also have stickers? Nope, sorry. Stickers are only for the good boys.

Alright, so then he was sentenced to hard labor at Walpole State Prison. You guys summer there? There's just a row of dudes in like orange jumpsuits chained together. They're just like fuck yeah! That's what I came here for!

Finally! My favorite murder, the prison tour. Yeah. Ah, dude. I'm telling you. She's a fucking idea machine. You wouldn't believe the shit that comes out of her mouth.

You wouldn't be able to call them dick legs and stuff though. They'd get mad. One person at a time I say shit correctly and it's golden. The rest is Worcester. I bet the prisoners wouldn't care if you said Worcester. They would.

They were the most. They tried to strangle us because of it. So instead of going to Walpole they send them to Bridgewater State Hospital for the for the criminally insane. Now I have to tell you

in our next show we're doing different murders tonight. And I know, right? And I don't know what the problem is with that. We're changing its variety. They're not as good. Don't worry. Bridgewater State Hospital plays into

so many crimes here. They send everybody there. Yeah. Terrible. It's terrible. Get in there. There's a really upsetting documentary called the Titty Cut Follies and it's hard to find.

Because it was an infringement of people's privacy. But this guy went in and made a documentary about life inside this state prison. Oh, is that why Geraldo Rivera went to the? No, that was the one that was in Staten Island. But similar.

I bet you that probably gave Geraldo the idea because it was this thing where they went in of like, oh, every year they do a talent show. It's Bridgewater State Prison. They do a talent show. They were really filming this fucking the way people are treated and how awful it was

and dehumanizing and everything. So just thought I'd throw that movie recommendation out for you. If you have a fun weekend plant throw that one in there just to see man's inhumanity to man. Yeah.

So, Kenneth Harrison stayed at Bridgewater for 20 years and then in April of 1989 they told him that he was scheduled to finally be transferred. They gave him a nice 20-year holding period and then they said you're going to get transferred to the state prison.

So he OD'd on his antidepressants. Oh, you can do that? Yeah, I guess so. If you save them up. You have to save up a ton. You tongue them into your gummum? Gummum? Yeah. Or you go ahead and maybe you armpit them. Right.

There's all these ways. And then the person who wrote made a very hilarious joke about the great irony of the Giggler dying of antidepressant over time. Oh my God, that is amazing. And I had to tell you that it's a very strong person, a very strong

stand-up comedian that doesn't just rip that joke off and say it as her own. I wanted to really bab, I can't. Karen, we're proud of you. Yeah, applaud me. Applaud me. That is amazing. For not being a dick. Applaud me for stealing. That might be the best closer of any murder

we've ever talked about. The irony of that juxtaposition. Gorgeous. Yes. Love it. They're coming for you for a bridge. That was, do we have time for a... Do we? Do the people?

One guy's like, no, this date sucks. I don't know my glasses on. Do we have, can you look over there and see if they're telling us yes or no? I mean, we can do whatever the fuck we, oh, they're saying no. They're saying no. Sorry. I guess I should have looked before I asked. We should have looked first.

That's our lesson. No, a guy yelling, whoa, yo, yo, yo, wait isn't going to work out here at this show, my friend. That's simply not happening. Oh, yeah, I know. We'd love for you to stay sexy. And don't get rid of... Thank you, Boston.

Thank you so much, Boston. Thank you.