My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 6 - Stay Sixy

Episode Date: February 24, 2016

For their first themed episode, Karen and Georgia discuss children who kill their parents, featuring Alex & Derek King and Jasmine Richardson. The ladies also discuss TV shows The People vs. OJ and Autopsy, and read listener hometown murders.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's time once again to talk about murder. Murder. Murder. Welcome to my favorite murder. Hi, welcome. That was Georgia. That's Karen. And we are here to talk to you about the thing that you want to talk about the most.

Because we do too. Murder. That your friends don't want to talk about. You know what? Some people are fear based and that's fine. That's the way they live. They want to put their hands over their eyes and pretend like reality isn't happening. But not us friends.

No, some of us want to just like jump into the pool of terror. Yeah. So there's an old saying, you have to go into the mouth of the ghost. That's what we do here. We are the ghost mouths. We are adventurers into ghost mouths. So suck it. Hey, did you see that the house from the first season of American Horror Story, The Haunted

House, you can now air B&B that house? Can we record an episode from there? That brick thing that has like the turrets and stuff. It's like a gothic. Yeah. Yeah. Like arts and crafts gothic. Where the guy from the law show lived and like they had the maid and stuff.

Yes. Yes. Okay. I liked that first season a lot. I had to choose. Spending the night there. Middle of the night, lights off, quiet, we'll do some ghost hunting. Ghost stuff.

Ghosty stuff. Was there a murder taking place in there? No. Aside from the TV show? I know. No. Just, but it is a creepy old house. Yeah.

I'm into that. I mean, maybe the murder hasn't been found yet. We'll dig up the yard. Maybe it'll happen that night. Somewhere nearby. Like in the house. Dig up the yard. Yeah.

Just start digging for bones. Okay. I'll just go over. Byron. We haven't talked about my new favorite show, the OJ Simpson, show. Love it. That was called? The people versus OJ Simpson.

Thank you. You're welcome. It is also one of my favorite shows. David Schwimmer. Oh, Schwim. Stop it. You're breaking my heart. Stop it.

What about when they were in Chin Chin, the Kardashian family went to Chin Chin. That is so la. If you don't live here. Chin Chin. Chin Chin is a terrible Chinese chain or delicious, depending on who you are. I haven't heard of it since the 90s. It is so 90s Like it's where we used to go when I moved here in 1994 really all the time That was the place everyone wanted to go. It was like the ivy

Yeah, but like but cheap and in the valley. Yeah And the idea that they were like we cut the line and yeah It's oh my god Like this is where we want to go because this is where like I went I went to bot mitzvahs of these kind of girls Where it's like we go to change like I went to camp I went to camp with the faun's daughter Oh, and so they probably went to chin chin a lot. I bet because they eat that Chinese chicken salad back then everybody thought it was diet That's how the 90s were

It's good. That show is great. I love that. It's going up the premise that he totally did it Well, yeah, because he did I know is the thing he apps so fucking lily did he really really did Because that's the thing is as we discuss and find in all of these stories that we tell and cases that we talk about Things happen for a for a reason and be the people that do them have histories of doing things Oh, yeah, and it's never it's so strange that still the legal system treats these things like it's out of the blue It's like yes if a man consistently beats the shit out of his wife That will escalate the things escalate. Yep Well, you know what I think is really interesting is that we consist that that instead of looking into

Uh, the history and why and what happened exactly and what's the most obvious answer The the answer is then to give them a defense attorney to argue Fucking fantasy or like a fucking daydream that they somehow didn't do it and here is why Maybe it didn't happen, you know or this way or that it's like or just those huge distractions of like basically they were putting The LAPD on trial which they deserved because the Rodney King riots had just you know the Rodney King Beating had just happened. That's like so not even close to the same thing, you know But but but the argument of a black man can't get a fair trial or like, you know that the system is against Black people and black men specifically was so true and had never been really

Broached before and I remember white people being like that's crazy Yeah, that's such a bunch of crap and it's like, how would you know dude? Okay, Rodney King's trial took place in seamie valley with zero black people on the jury Yeah, it I think it was even all men or maybe it was one woman ridiculous No, it's bad seamie valley, which is like the whitest fucking place in los angeles with zero black people on the jury Yeah, anyways. No. Yeah, not a jury of his peers No, like just just crooked and bad all all around so there is a kind of like it was a get back in a way

Yeah, it absolutely was to watch it like I that's right when I moved here all that stuff happening Like we're living through it. I remember being in I think it was Golden apple comics and they were like yes oj's running the bronco is on the highway and running up to our friend laura's house And everybody just gathering there and watching watching it on tv Well, I just remember when the I remember the when the verdict was about to be read it was like, okay Everyone knows he's guilty. He should be he should be convicted Nobody wants another riot and that's we it was so traumatizing the first riot. Yeah that it was like It it wasn't worth it to see him

be convicted because That was fucking scary and no one wanted to go through that again, right? So It was almost he would have happened. Yeah, and it was almost a relief when he When it was not guilty because it was like, okay, you know what black people deserve this after what we fucking put them through here in Los Angeles. Yeah, well, it's it you know, it's just weird though because when you watch it it's such it's such a fascinating thing like Watching them marsha clark and her whole team Acting like it's a slam dunk case. Oh, yeah, when you know, what's really gonna happen total marsha clark

Her what's her character from American Horror Story? She's incredible. Oh, Sarah Paulson. Yeah That but her hair is so distracted I just all I can do is think about how long it took to curl every piece of that. Oh That had to be a part was that a perm or was she like you absolutely can't perm me or is it it must have been a wig? No one no one lets anybody perm their hair anymore. Yeah, do they know I don't know um The sad thing of course is the murder victims that just didn't get any recognition. No, no, it was not it was not about them at all. No

I just can never forget that I never forgot That this the quote that like Nicole was almost decapitated. That's how deep it wasn't he slit her throat She was almost decapitated. He was like going berserk. Yeah, he cut into It's crazy. It's so crazy And like that idea of how they started the whole thing with the dog with bloody feet Walking up like the guy finding a dog. It's a good show. It's very good. And then also insanely cheesy It's so enjoyable like John Travolta got a lesson. He is killing it. He's my fave. Do you think he was really like that? Robert Shapiro, yeah

Probably he We didn't have blue eyes. Yeah, you know that right. It's really corny. There's so many corny things every single every single line that That marcia clark says is like cut to commercial like she can't say a line without it cutting to commercial But the best was at the end of the last episode. Oh when boiler alert and she sees She just goes mother fucker. I think that's the first mother fucker on tv, right? I think so. It's fx, right? So, yeah, they're a little edgy when she says a mother fucker when she says that about Johnny Cochran Yeah, because he joined the team and he's uh his story's great too. Oh, it's and everyone is Yeah, but I really just want to hug david schwimmer

Yeah, because he's such a he's who knew that was it robert kardash. Yeah, who knew he was such a great guy Who knew he was a great guy that would spawn the literal devils Like the downfall all those discussions where they're like you can't it's not about fame We have to have a good heart. Well, I keep thinking about his are his kids watching him being like fuck my dad I miss my dad Probably sad It is he died like not too long after that which is so sad

I'm sure can you imagine how stressful it would have been to be that guy in that situation that guy knows His friend is guilty and has to defend him He also had to use the phrase uncle juice a lot, which I think is may have been the thing that killed him Yeah, yeah, that would be hard uncle juice He's not their real uncle so Kris Jenner killing it. Oh Summa Blair Do you think she was like

This is the end of my career or was she stoked about it stoked? Okay. Yeah, because you see all those other people on that cast That's true. That's true. I love this. They're great Yeah, all right. Oh, we also have to talk about the fact that we're both watching autopsy, but should we save that for? Yes, okay. I and that I actually somebody recommend. I'm sorry. I don't have the name because someone Mentioned it to us on the twitter page. Oh, yeah And it was a man and he said oh autopsy was amazing I watched all of it and I went autopsy, huh? And then I looked it up and I'd never seen it. You could never heard or seen it

I think I may have heard of it, but I'd never seen it I had always just figured it and I think I had like watched maybe one the wrong episode Where like he was literally just in an autopsy room cutting into someone and talking and discussing it Yeah, which I thought the whole thing was like that And no, it's like it's like case stories from hit this crazy guy like his crazy Coroners past and how he solved crimes based on the autopsy. Yeah It's fascinating and like the most and also they they kind of fold in like I've watched a couple now the last time The last one I was watching was number nine when I texted you

Because it's other people they get other corners in there too because they're basically just getting all the craziest stories. Yeah, and um I won't I won't give that one away. I'm just let people watch it. It's so good. I want to know It's what I texted you remember. They opened up a guy. Yes And should I just say it? There's voodoo dolls inside inside his body Karen I read that as inside of his Coffin no, wait a minute Are you inside of his body? That's why I was so upset. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go cry

I thought you meant like yeah, they I thought because I read it as like they next to his no by the time pillow. Yeah, I'm like, oh, that's that's fucked up. Okay. No, it turned out the woman that ran the funeral home was Practiced voodoo. You gotta see her too. You got it. She is worth the entire episode. She looks totally normal, right? She has the best hair I've ever seen and she's a badass and she was basically trying to Get rid of all the other funeral homes like all of her competitors and do better financially so she Made voodoo dolls for all of them and then sew them up inside this man's course at what point in that whole operation Are you like I might be a little crazy. Yeah, this might not be a great idea. Yeah, this could come back

Yeah, what will this look like from the outside? Just everyone you can be as crazy as you want but act normal Yeah, or just try to step out from one second and be like if someone discovers this how crazy will I look totally? That's good advice. I think that is too. So everyone watch autopsy someone on twitter suggested or on our facebook page Uh, we have our a facebook group my favorite murder that you can join someone suggested that we just do a live episode Or just do an episode where we just watch an episode Of autopsy and just talk about it. That's a great idea. They can watch along with us a very good idea. I love it Yeah, that's good. Yeah, you can go on because it's on um hbo go or hbo now or whatever apparently

There's a lot of episodes on youtube as well. Oh good. Yeah, there's like you can find them everywhere. Love it We're gonna have all kinds of Event. Yeah, it's also a little dated which I fucking love when I'm watching true crime shit. Do you ever go back and watch forensic files? Oh, yeah, it's like it's like 2002 which doesn't seem that long ago Please it's so long ago. The blouses tell a different story Oh, it's so good. It's so good. I can even deal with reenactments when they're like vintage reenactments. Yeah I love reenactors. Well, that's a whole different dude. I can't I can't watch a reenactment and not picture the person's Um headshot. Yes, and their whole family watching because it's Billy's big break or whatever. Yes

I always think about that that sometimes they cast women that actually look like real women So it's like this is like she's the one that got picked finally Yeah, you know like in probably in her agency or whatever Yeah, but then you think about the like the breakdown of what they were calling for and it's like big fat Stupid woman that murders people murders like that. Nobody trusts and likes and I was like, oh, that's that's what I got cast as You know what? No small parts Everybody has got to get their story. So what they say? No small part. Oh, no Who would play us?

Well, someone Blair would play me definitely definitely and then David Schwimmer would play you I'll take it Uh, okay Gee, I feel like I always start with my favorite murder. Do you want me to go first? Sure, do you want to go first? I will and this is under the guys we were talking about right kids that kill But I don't know if we still did that. I did. Oh good. So I we decided that we're now going to have uh Every episode has a theme or like a you know a what's the point a subject Point or yeah, just I mean, I guess themes the right word theme or subject

Yeah, so we can kind of like matchy match. So this is kids. I were doing kids that killed their parents That's what I did. Okay me too. Okay. Yay. We did it Hey, I'm Mike Corrie the host of wonder is podcast against the odds In our next season three mask men hijack a school bus full of children in the sleepy farm town of chowchilla, california They bury the children and their bus driver deep underground planning to hold them for ransom Local police and the FBI marshal a search effort, but the trail quickly runs dry As the air supply for the trapped children dwindles a pair of unlikely heroes emerges Follow against the odds wherever you get your podcast. You can listen ad-free on the amazon music or wondery app

So I did at alex and darrett king Which I don't know about so i'm excited to hear this Okay, because you sent me a photo and I was like, I'm not looking this up. Just tell me about it So the first time I ever saw these kids on the news alex king at the time I think he was either 12 or 13 He looked like he was eight years old. He looked like a baby face baby Holy shit very small boy and his brother. It was like a year maybe two years older than him darrett king Um

Was kind bigger like looked like a teenager. Hold on. I'm gonna get cause yeah late late all the way down I don't want to tell you a story So And I remember seeing it where it was like, you know kids who kill and whatever and they had killed their father so the deal was um House was on fire firemen go to put the fire the house out They they put the fire out and go in and then in the other part of the house it isn't burnt They find a dead body and they know that it's dead from not from the fire

But they can see that it has head wounds and so Um The next day Alex and darrett king turned themselves in to the sheriff's tell me their age again 12 and 13. Holy shit. Yeah Babies and you got to see the picture the the one mugshot of alex king. He's just got zits all over his forehead He just is like it's a child. It's like sixth grade seventh grade. Yeah And so they turned themselves in

and they say That they had Run away from home because their dad was too strict To their dad's friend uh ricky chevese's house And they stayed there for a week and they knew that they he was gonna They knew they were gonna get punished when they went back home. So they decided to kill him To avoid being punished and because they're children because they're children and also they ran away because their dad um So what had happened? It's a very sad story, of course, but it's like the

Mother and father have alex and darrett alex and then she has twins and then she leaves all four boys Leaves the husband and just bails. I will never be able to wrap my head around Moms who just later any dads too, but you know, well, I and in this story particularly there's a lot of uh things I wish I knew more about and I I read I read every single article on google when I put their names in it just went down Until I got to there was an article on the nambla website Which is the national association for manboy love or whatever that's a thing you can click on You can click on it

I didn't realize until after I clicked and read the story and at the end it was like a person that was trying to rationalize Or I was like, oh my god, where have I gone because I just kept on reading stories here I've never come across that in all my weird It was like the tenth article and you can click on it. Do you think that the government is tracking you now? A hundred percent and they should be like but it but it was the the only the defense I have is that it was just the next article down like I wasn't to say anything different or anything inflammatory well, so

It it told this part of the story It it is inflammatory, but it's that creepy creepy thing of so they ran to ricky chavez's house and The reason they'd like to go there is because he let them smoke pot and play video games and pervert He was molesting alex And he had convinced alex that they were in love

This guy was 39 39 that they were in love and that alex was gay and that And so this herein starts the soap opera of this story because Jesus. I was not expecting that angle Yeah, it's it's rough. So the nambla article, of course is like people don't understand these relationships or whatever Where I was like, wait, what? Hold on. Yeah, it's creepy But so that guy drove them to the sheriff's uh department to turn themselves in But then they got him and they were like, so what exactly are you doing here?

And then it turns out so he gets held for like Aiding and abetting essentially, you know, like keeping them. Did he have anything? Okay, but he knew that they had killed his dad when they were staying there. Okay So the two those the two young boys confess and they have their confessions taped and they're very detailed Did you watch them? Can you watch them? You can't probably uh, no, it's tape recorder from from what I understand. Okay. Um But then uh A little while later They recant like a couple months later

And I think it's probably when they got lawyers and when the lawyers like put everything out and we're like, hold on a second Yeah, you were you ran to the molester's house to hang out the day after you killed your father What's really going on here? And then they came back and said That we were we were trying to cover for ricky. It turned out he killed our father and this whole thing was his idea Bullshit and that is that's where it all started And I remember when I saw that news story It was like he was based they were basically presented as like these evil children like you immediately believed that they

That you it was such a bias. It was such a weird bias They were like he has and this young one has a relationship with this guy as if that kid is somehow Perpetuating the relationship. Yeah, or his fault that yes, I'm reducing the older man Yeah, it because they're they're basically trying to sell the story of like these two devil children Oh, no one really as we all know it's like Like this guy was in their life. So clearly Alex was being groomed for a long time. And you know, it's just the grossest thing Yeah Also, so basically when the mom bailed the dad after a little while was like, I can't handle four boys by myself

So they all got put in like Alex went to a foster home The twins went somewhere else and then the older The older boy went and lived with the principal of the local high school. Well, that can't be chill I don't think so and then he stayed there until like two months before this murder So and Alex came back from the foster home. I can't get any information about what happened But they said it didn't like it didn't work out or something right, but we all know what foster homes Sure and can be like sure Um

So but Alex was doing good at home with his dad then Derek showed up and then two months later The dad's murder. Do we know did the mom come back for the trial? Yeah Yeah, the mom not only came back for the trial when they they basically Were found guilty I think they were found guilty Of second-degree murder or something. The mom showed up. They They hit him with something and then said his body on baseball bat Derek hit him with the baseball bat. They Alex said it was his idea

And then they let the house on fair because they thought they were gonna get rid of all the evidence If you're gonna kill someone and then light their Body on fire if they don't have charred lungs, it's clear that they didn't die in the fire everyone Yeah, but you can't just burn somebody. No, it doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way. And I mean, yeah I'm telling people how to get away with yeah, like almost kill them so that they inhale the smoke when they know, okay I mean, yeah, that's one way but still they might find stuff on the body You can't get away with killing someone. Anyways, it's very difficult. Yeah way of killing some so They they also brought the guy up on charges all kinds of charges

They had like the aiding embedding thing and they had unkidnapping and of course like 10 counts of molestation He had already he was a convicted pedophile. Of course he was. How was he the family friend? Yeah, that's what I want to know. This is why you don't make friends with people at all ever but so so anyway, they have two like Uh, they have two trials that the two boys are tried and then this guy is Ricky Jim Ricky one Ricky Joe base is tried. We just start spreading this room. Yeah, that'd be bad. That'd be bad. Um But they so they try

the adult man first and then seal his Um, the results and so when the boys are tried, we don't know whether or not that jury found that guy guilty Because it'll influence the jury. Yeah, because they basically were both Oh, because sorry. So like three months after they made that confession. Yeah, then they got the lawyer. They lawyer it up Right. They basically came back and said Um, he did it. We were covering for him and this whole thing was his plan and we were in the trunk the whole time And he did all of it and he was like nope Yes, and so that guy's lawyer has to represent

A child molester who is it is being accused of murder By children like the whole thing is so crazy. That's what I'm saying about defense like defense attorneys should look I wish the idea was for everyone together to look for the truth Instead of making some shit up. Yeah, I'm being or like Here's a technicality and this is why you know, I can't imagine defense attorneys like themselves that much No, well, it must be really hard. But then there are the they're doing it for those people that are like the few Innocent, right? But this guy was so not innocent But the weird thing was they didn't convict him on the 10 molestation charges. Well, they didn't

Um, like he they basically brought More charges against him and then like the thing he finally got convicted for was like um Was like holding a minor against their will or something and he got 35 years for it like the maximum That's a lot. Yeah, the one thing they could make stick Yeah, but because those boys had lied And done all that stuff it made this guy look better than he should have looked

And there are a lot of people who still feel like no one ever heard what really actually happened because There's no way that that child molester Was was just an innocent bystander in that whole thing Well, when you think about these kids who were 12 and 13 but looked really young Does that mean that who how did they hit their dad over the head with a baseball bat and kill him? That doesn't sound like something a young looking 12 but 13 like a Slight, you know what I mean like that's well the older Derek is the one that did it and he was a little taller and bigger but the guy was sitting in a in like a

A lazy boy recliner and so he may have been asleep He may just snuck up on him because they had to run away. So they weren't in the house They weren't around so they snuck into the house and killed him And what's the story with the dad? Was he like a dick too? Like was it there's no proof? That's the other things that they're they couldn't prove anything. They couldn't prove the molestation Everything was word. It was um, not word of mouth, but uh, yeah here say or whatever And the dad they just said the dad was really strict And sometimes he would stare at them and they didn't like it

So I think it was just like those kids just looked worse and worse and worse and worse as Every time they talked about anything. Yeah, so it's like the dad was a dad Trying is trying to be and maybe it was a dick. Maybe he was a dick, but he was Try you know, but who knows like and also it was his friend this totally the other the travelist or was his friend That's the reason that guy was in their life. So who knows don't you like do you wonder about like people we know that you're like Oh, like they're a child. Like what if they turn out to be a child molester? You would never know. No, you would never know secrets And now they're both out. Oh jail shut up. They don't they eventually got convicted

Um, the older one got eight years in jail and the little one got seven. Jesus and now they're out And one is like on drugs and violated his parole had to go back. They alex the younger one Because he got like into a car accident or something. It's all just really terrible and sad. Are they living? Um down the street from here. They no, no this all happened in florida. Okay Um, but then they moved to somewhere in texas. Okay, I think damn crazy so crazy and also as I was doing it. I was like, oh, I love the story It's so Disgusting and crazy, but then there's no real answers. Which drives me nuts. I want to talk to the mom

Oh, she came in not only did she come in in the 11th hour, but she Rosie O'Donnell hired her two lawyers for the boys Wait, he oh really? Yeah Why? Because I think she was afraid they weren't getting like a fair a fair thing so she She put some lawyers florida lawyers on retainer for them Rosie. Uh-huh interesting. Yeah. Oh that mom I hope she fucking is Can't have more kids. Well, I don't yeah, I think she's out of the game I think she kind of didn't do it very good

I bet she takes zero responsibility Well, she was in there trying to say like you you here's how it needs to go and the prosecuting attorney was like Lady, they wouldn't be here if you paid any attention to the ouch. Yeah, which is true I mean totally true. You can't just bail and then come back. You know when everything's gone to shit You can't bail on you can't bail. I'm mom or dad. You can't bail on your kid and expect them to have an okay life No, you can't do that especially mom Especially mom not to be fucking sexist, but but it's true. It's true. Yeah You're you're telling your kids. They're not wanted

Yeah, that they don't matter to you the one person that matters the most to them totally Gross, this is a fun subject. That's my it's a good one And what is what what is it called? Is it like the I guess the Derek and Alex King trial. Yeah, that makes sense All right, I want to hear my favorite murder. I really do for children who killed their parents. Yes Mine is the Richardson family murder Richardson family murder. Okay, so uh in medicine hat Alberta Canada I love when Canadians get violent, you know Canadians. I've been noticing from the facebook group

There's a lot of fucked up murders in Canada. Yeah, there are and they yeah, it's really interesting I think because there's like so much it's wide open space. Totally. Yeah, um, this is Canada's youngest multiple murderer Oof She her name is Jasmine Richardson. Is this the one that's 12, but looks like she's 25 shut up. Yes. Sorry. Sorry. Oh, it's good It's good. Yes. It totally is. Um, so in april of 2006 Um, Mark Richardson who's 42 double Richardson who's 48 and this is this fucking sad part I mean, it's all sad, but Jacob Richardson who's eight years old found dead And the daughter who was 12 years old was nowhere to be found

So this is the reason there's photos of her out there is because at first she was a missing person So they splayed her photo all over the news and like whereas this chick turns out they find her The next day she gets arrested. She is 12 years old hot like goth chick Um, dating a 23 year old dude named jeremy allyn stank s-t-e-i-n-k-e Stanky stanky. That's the worst last name of all time. I know Maybe hear about it because he's like this gross. He's like the dude that we probably dated in high school

He's like a gross goth dude who looks like probably wears eyeliner Um, he he said he was a 300 year old werewolf that liked the taste of blood. He's like that guy like gross I dated when I was like 14 and on drugs I dated Older dudes and I thought it was the coolest like this is what the story interested me too because it was like Oh, yeah, I could have that could have been me. I mean, I would never have killed my family but But who knows if you get like pulled in by some weirdo. Yeah, and he kind of it seems like I mean It definitely seems like he's the one who I had the whole thing on because he said he watched

Like hours before the murder watched Um natural born killers. Yeah, and it was like me and my girlfriend are this these people were gonna kill your family Um, so they went in there the dad. This is so graphic the dad was stabbed so many times He didn't have blood in him anymore. Oh my god. They found him and then this is the saddest part don't listen if you don't want to hear about children getting murdered because I I don't even want this this poor eight-year-old kid. She sat up there his big sister sat up there with him She said she covered his ears while this pair his parents got killed in the basement And then because she didn't want him to hear it

So it's like well, then she also didn't want him to get murdered but the the guy came up there the boyfriend It was like kill him so together they kind of Killed him Which is like disgusting and awful and like insane insane and it makes me not she's 12 years old But it makes me have no sympathy for her anymore. No, you know No, if she could do that sit with her brother and cover his ears or whatever there is Some modicum of control that she had or she could have taken him out the window

Totally or something something except and now Man, she's going to community fucking college and has a job and lives on her own Oh because in um, you can't be tried as an adult when you're under 14 in canada for murder So the or in the longest you can get is 10 years So she was 12 at the time got 10 years got out early um

She's now under the care of a psychiatrist. Um, she expresses genuine remorse quote genuine I mean, I was a little shit when I was young but I would but I knew you don't kill your family. Well, I don't think it's I don't think it's a fair comparison. You probably That being a little shit and a murderer is not the same thing. Well, yeah, I mean, that's true And I wonder what drugs they were doing. Were they on drugs together? It doesn't it didn't talk about drugs But they had to be on something. Yeah Oh, I know I know so he got three life sentences

um Yeah, so she essentially didn't like she only got punished for a little while punished for a little while She's Going to school. I was reading a reddit thing that's like someone was like, yeah We I go to this school and none of us know who she is even though there's photos of her and she looks so much older Look at jasmine richardson. She's like a pretty gothy girl who looks 18 at the least at the least But you'd think that you could recognize her but everyone's like we no one can tell who she is Well, you know what? I bet she grew those eyebrows in sure

Uh, she got probably got a nice stencil an eyebrow stencil. Let's say hair is bleached blonde now Maybe bleach blonde would be smart. No, maybe she's like the most square-looking person in the world now She goes full j crew full j crew. Yeah, that's a good way to hide Perm marcia clark perm Bugged out marcia clark eyes. Yeah, totally Spray tan Because you're not goth anymore and also or or she could be doing um

Mousy brown hair that almost isn't a color Unlike john lennon glasses and just being like sexless plain Yeah, like the the person I always think about that of like if I ever wanted to be a spy I know exactly what I would wear and like do we don't look like spies. You and I no Yeah, you'd have to be like an old goth lady Who stopped trying three years ago? No, you tell me we would have to go real norm Real normal not norm. Yeah, we would have to do it would have to be light honey brown box dyed hair and also like like

cardigan sets Yeah, right and like um Or maybe just like just have a shopping day at marshals We would have to look like I looked or like one would look when you have an office job You hate and don't want to spend any money on the clothes. Yeah, so it's those like button down Blouses that like are ruched at the waist. Yes, and then a pencil skirt. Totally You can it's easy to hide in plain sight cheap shitty boots

Shitty boots black tights, and then your purses from clearly from pay less like your purses from pay less sure And then you just got a scrunchie. You've got all the hair the perm to hair up in a scrunchie all of it's up in a scrunch No makes shaved eyebrows and then their pencil back in Oh, that's a bit that almost might seem glamorous though. That is I think you grow the eyebrows in Yeah, that'd be hard for me though. Okay lip liner only no lipstick Yeah Or just no lipstick right no just no lips Oh my god, what if what about those people that wear it all foundation?

Oh, yeah, so just foundation you have like an all beige face. It's like no contouring whatsoever No contouring no lipstick. No eye makeup. You just got the basics covered. Yeah The baby my cat is stoked on this look for me. He's like you'll just never leave the house anymore Wow, I'm fascinated. I am too. I do remember seeing that picture and when I read that she was 12. I was like, yeah That's insane. Yeah, I don't know how I was like that must be an older photo of her. Nope. That's what she looked like and I think she Supposedly a lot they maybe met on a chat in a chat room And supposedly she might have been lying about her age saying she was 15

So he's still a 23 year old fucking a 15 year old. Yes, but also if he's 300 He would should have been able to pick up on that lie. Yeah, if he's been around that much You think he would know and they killed their parents supposedly because they disapproved of the relationship Which is like this was bothering me so much about the whole thing is like These parents get killed for parenting. Yeah, that bothers me so much like These parents get killed for something that later in your life. You're like, they were right Like I look back at my mom and how mad I was at her and embarrassed I was at certain moments like and I'm like, oh, no, no, no, you were being an asshole. She was parenting

Yes, although in some of these cases where it is goes to murder It's like what was it like in the day to day in that house? Yeah Because it's not there definitely are the kids that are like sociopaths or psychopaths that kill their parents because they want money Or whatever it is But then I think there's some that it gets built in by like either You know abuse or just right like creepy shit happening that it's a reaction So but it's I just hate blaming I mean on one hand you gotta be like blaming the parents. I say who I am blaming

You gotta like, okay. I know this is just like naive of me, but like the parents were still married So maybe they couldn't have been that fucked up. Which is so silly of me. I know but like You're just trying to use your context clues. Yes, put it all together. Yes. Yes. I am that's why like Yeah, and those in in my story where it's like does anybody know anything else? Yeah, because I would let I would just like a little bit of background information Well, a lot of the websites are just regurgitating

The same shit from every article you've already read which is why I love reddit because there's always some person who's like I went to I went I remember the news reports Like I didn't know that the reason there are photos that they're out of her out there Even though she was 12 is because they thought she was missing so they they let those Uh, they released those photos of her initially. It's interesting stuff. Yeah, they probably thought she was like Taken totally And she could have played that to her advantage

Well I just want to talk more about what you would do to hide in plain sight I feel like I've thought about this more than I even realize Yeah, I mean it's it's I always Sometimes I'll think of like being a spy and like but a bummer it is that we're in a day and age where we can't just disappear Yeah become spies or or just disappear. You know, yeah It's it's a bummer like you'd always hope there's some day in your life when you get it just like

Have a have a spy moment or have a you know We all want to be uh private detectives for sure I would love it. Can someone hire us for a job as private detectives so we can just have one experience We want to get paid, but we don't have qualifications. None. I mean, I feel like it should be something important Yeah, I feel like you and I above anyone else. I know would be better at this than anyone else I mean, I sure would give it my all. I promise to read every article. Yeah, I think we'd be good at it I think we'd be good. I think we'd know to like how to how to separate and what to like How much space to give them and what to pretend that you're doing and well

And also that thing of the detectives talk about and it's held against them a lot But I believe in it 100% is that gut reaction to people. Yeah So when they just go I like this guy for something or this guy doesn't feel right, right? I find that fascinating because So many different times in my life. I've been in places where I'm like, I don't know why but I'm just gonna get away from Totally now. I've done that a lot. Yep, and you just trust it. Yeah, I agree Should we do a Yeah, um Emails. Yeah, we have some good good. Um

Your hometown murders you guys are really fucking killing it. You're killing it and so much so I don't know if you guys saw but we got a really nice review on the av club that specifically mentioned How good the hometown murder stories are totally like how scary they are gonna rip up your notes right now. Okay Okay, yeah, you guys are part of this podcast and we appreciate it. Yeah Um, so you can you can email them to us at my favorite murder at gmail You can join the facebook group. It's a private group. So people won't see that you're an insane person who loves murders But you have to ask to join it. Is that right? Yeah You just need to be approved and you're being approved by me and I so far have not not approved anyone

So it's not scary and then we also have a twitter account my fave murder fav Um, so if you need to go there, you should follow us there Yeah, okay. Do you want to start? Um, sure Let's see This is the one I marked. I just I like to lay in bed and read the I know I did And then flag ones that are like, you know, you clear concise easy So let's see. This is one that I flagged um

Oh, this is creepy So hi ladies, this is from maite maite. Uh Maite el gueta El gueta clavel And I think she she's originally from chili. So that's why she has such a Fascinating name might. All right. So she says hi ladies Uh, really cool to have found her podcast. I'm originally from chili, but I have lived in um

New zealand nz. Yeah, sure for over 10 years now nz Um, my husband and I are really fascinated by cold case as I always talk about it There's so many here in nz that are very interesting and worth mentioning like the bain murders or the mark londi's case Naming them here so you can have a chance to research a little um But I but the one I want to tell you about happened in the town I grew up in and the victim was a student from my school. So that's one personal connection on the case Karla, uh

Oh yarzan was a 15 year old talent and student and athlete who was found dead at a sports training park in orsono chili And she had been raped beaten and strangled with her own running tights on the evening of december 17th Karla and her sister went for the usual training session at the city outdoor sports facility They usually go to training with their dad, but um that day their mom was sick. So the dad stayed home Um looking after her and the girls trained together for a while then separated Karla stayed behind doing extra laps and her sister went home In parentheses terrible move after a few hours and with no signs of karla the family members and friends Went to look for her and among these friends was fellow athlete and former coach of karla

Christian roe hell roj el 35 he knew the area very well So he led the search that night and also helped um Helped the police search the following morning. He even talked to the media saying that he had seen her training and have um Told her that she shouldn't be on her own that it was late all red flags. It was dangerous. Yep. She wrote. I mean hello You're just implicating you're you're telling everyone that you were there. Yeah, you're so interested. Yep So Karla's body was discovered the following morning at a remote part of the training field an area that was covered in really high wheat grass

A wheat-like grass so as you might have guessed he raped and killed her then do you know how he got caught his wife saw him coming home that night and uh Jumping in the shower with his clothes on as if he was trying to wash them She found that odd and when she heard karla about karla being dead She checked her husband's wet clothing and it was covered in dry grass like the wheat grass And then she saw something that looked like blood so she called the police and the blood was matched to karla's dna Um, he raped her with a condom so he wouldn't get caught Oh

He was found guilty of rape and first-degree murder is currently serving a life sentence in a local prison um He's never confessed to killing her He first said that they were lovers and the sex was consensual later later admitted to have raped her but Insisted he left her alive. Yeah, right Just help just confess at this point. Yeah, good for his fucking wife, man Like I know, you know, that's the kind of person that people need to be is like Imagine that moment where you look down and you see all the oh my god, I would want to throw up

I would run out of the house. That's like the moment in uh in Um, sounds the lambs or she's like my use your phone, please right where you try to act calm, but there's no way Right. Oh such a good. That's oh, you know, I read an article recently. That was just an interview from the two at the uh Mr. I don't want to hurt your dog and puts the lotion on I read an article that was just interviewing the two of them and what their experiences were like and it was amazing Were they together? No, it was like quotes from both of them, but so funny. That's a fun I've never heard that story before and every time I see mr

Uh, I got your dog every time I see her into anything else like I'm so proud Did you know she was in Grey's Anatomy? Yeah, I did not realize what we're talking about that article I was so happy for her. I know she's fine. She's like after that pit residual money. Okay. Here's mine Uh, this I'm going to read this one from uh, someone on her facebook group lori baker martin Darling girl. She says Here's a murder that happened in my hometown of coffeville, uh, kansas on december 11th 1999 A man named john dalton a social worker married a woman with two kids. Her name was holly stack

No one knows exactly what sent john dalton off the deep end Of these things his former landlady said he was kind attentive charming But he hid behind a door in their house on that day and waited for his two stepchildren to come home from school And then beat them to death with an aluminum baseball bat I know then he hid out and waited for holly to come home from work. He did the same to her He stayed in the house with those three horribly mutilated bodies for three days He even ate meals in the kitchen with them. So clearly he fucking Can when something went it's not like he just wanted to kill them like something went something snapped. Yeah

In the end of it the story is both unsatisfactory and fulfilling John dalton was arrested in charge with the murders, but he never stood trial while he was waiting for trial He developed throat cancer and succumbed to it behind bars two years later On a more satisfying note coffeville has located a safe house for oh So coffeville has started a safe house for women on that site at that site. Oh, that's cool It's called holly's house Incidentally while I don't think john dalton was a relative of coffeville's famous dalton gang members The shootout between that gang and townspeople in 1892 resulted in the deaths of four gang members four towns people and the sheriff

It's coffeville's claim to fame. Wow coffeville Who would have thought coffeville? Kansas i do love those midwestern stories though. Sure. There's something extra like, you know, it's all quiet and crickets At night and everything and then just yeah someone waiting behind a door Well, are you watching the new steven king hulu fucking no dude? Is it so good? It's so good. What's it called 11? What's the date that oh 11 23 63? Oh, I didn't realize that was Stephen king

That's the day kennedy was killed and the whole thing is like a going back and it's like a back to the future Thing. Oh, it's fuck. It's good. It might get it's good. It's really good. It's fun I gotta see it if you're into like, you know, this he goes back in time and tries to stop President kennedy from being killed. Oh my god, just like your dream like my dream for his brother, right? Because I don't think anything could have been done at that point, but But it's good and like other little things along the way. There's like other story lines. It's really it's fun Awesome, won't you watch it? It's on hulu. I love it. Yeah Uh

Wow, that was fun. Yeah, I actually packed a lot of bats A lot of baseball bats, unfortunately. That's a lot of terrible children. Don't keep a baseball bat in your house people Um, but keep those murder stories coming. Please. We do love them and we are reading them. Oh my god. We are Um, and it's just kind of exciting. Yeah, we love it. You guys. Thanks for listening. Uh Follow us on all the places we talked about earlier And and rate us on it to rate review and subscribe subscribe Please do that because that gets us so many more viewers and listeners like the higher up we get And we want everyone to listen to this because we want everyone to be fucked up in the head

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