My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 68 - Q&T&A

Episode Date: May 11, 2017

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That's what we give up for this podcast. What if I get the whole plane to sing happy birthday to you? I will ache with this podcast. We never talk to you again. You know that's my sensitivity. I cannot in a restaurant have anyone sing you a happy birthday, right? No. Okay, okay, okay.

I didn't think so, but I couldn't remember if it was like funny or horrifying for you. Well, a plane would be bad because then you just have to sit there. Like a restaurant like, what'd you say? I think it would be the best because then expected. Some people hate your guts. It's like in a restaurant, you can join in or not. Put in a plane, then you're just trapped with fake fun. But remember when we were at that restaurant in Portland, the Turkey restaurant, and someone's

saying happy birthday and it was so fun. I always sing along. Do you sing along? Always. It's not like people I don't know. It's the most fun. It is. You're so happy for them.

Yes. They have friends or a loved one. That they're celebrating. Yeah. This is a good thing. We're all in some way glad you're here. Or then it's just like a couple on a first date. You're like, did one of them make it up to seem fun, but it's their birthday and tell

them? Or are they that pathetic that they have to make up birthdays to be fun? Or is it a girlfriend who just got dumped and her friends with her and she's like, you know what? You deserve a candle. I'm going to fucking, I'm going to make you laugh. I'm going to get you free hot fudge. That's how much I love you.

Hey, this was my favorite murder. We started. We're the true crime podcast that asks the question, what if we talk about other stuff and also that's the question is pronounced things in a weird way. It sounds like I'm a, that's her tagline hobo. Um, this is the first, uh, this is the first podcast episode slash transmission from the podcast, uh, nook of my new apartment. It's a loft.

There's wrestling memorabilia everywhere because we watch wrestling name this place. Uh, we watch murder. That's the, this is the, we watch, that's what the loft is called. Yeah. That's awesome. Cause they record here. They get, they get one wall of murder of podcasting them. Nope.

Where am I? Wrestling. Wrestling memorabilia. And we get one and a half very filled out, very full of gifts, murdering, no gifts to us. Yes. One of which we just got. And I'm so in love with it.

Like plush pillows, one for each of us. This girl got custom made fabric of squirrels and bunnies and foresty stuff. And it's adorable, but there's also murder scenes and like it's cartoon murder scenes and skulls and bones and like buried bodies and then strips of material, let's say, stay out of the forest. It looks like, you know, police do not cross the line, but it says stay out of the forest. And they're amazing. Let's get hurt.

Very cute. Shout out. Thank you. Her name is Mariah and it's etsy.com. And her name is Kukalamaka. Kukalamaka? What's that? I don't know.

You're right. I just thrown it out there. That's right. Huh. It's K-O-O-K-A-L-A-M-A-K-A. I hope she's selling these because they're fucking incredible and they're like, they're like legit. Well, and also they're on this for all the other people who have given us lovely gifts.

Just know they're here. They're all here. They're all around us right now. Somebody tweeted at me the other day, did your lava ball necklace make it back from the Fox Theater? Which was like first, the first leg of the tour way long ago. And I would like to report to that person, yes, of course it did. It's not, it's not in this loft, it's somewhere in my kitchen, but we, all the stuff people

give us, we ship back and then we like sit in it. It's gonna be, once it's all up and I finally dealt with it, it's gonna be, this place is gonna be a fucking hoarder's nightmare of murder. So good. So thanks for those. Thank you. Lovely gifts. Oh, so now we have to talk about casting Jean Benet.

Cause you guys were like, I thought you were gonna. So here's what, I'll just do the quick version of the, what happened. We decide what we're gonna do is do our first ever live watching podcast recording where together George and I watched casting Jean Benet and comment on it as it goes and basically have that kind of experience. It's hilarity ensues. Wouldn't that be hilarious and fun and just fascinating. Yeah.

Turns out, no. I would say we got, well, it turned out that casting Jean Benet was not the thing we thought it was. It was a different thing. I would personally say it was a study on the strange personalities and behavior of actors. Yeah, that's close. There was a lot of, um, the desperation of the, of show business. There were a lot of other things happening besides just the story of Jean Benet Ramsey's

murder. Then maybe this will finally be the thing that catapults me much like my favorite murder wasn't when we started. Yes. Cause we never, uh, yeah, and it was a lot of opinions of people that I didn't care about their opinions. Cause their opinions seemed super made up and as we all know, no one likes to look in the mirror.

Right. So I was sitting there going lady shut your mouth. You don't know anything about. And then I was like, oh, damn it. So it was not, I think we got 15, 20 minutes in and we just like looked at Steven and we're like, turn it off. This is not, because I couldn't, it wasn't even like I could riff about it. It was too weird.

Lots of the things that were happening were visual or feel like just bad vibes. And we were basically sitting there kind of shitting on normal people who are tricked into being in, in this documentary. I think in the beginning when we didn't realize what it was, we were like, this is funny and it's good. And like we were being really funny and riffy and then it got kind of sad. And then we just, I realized we had both been sitting there in silence for five minutes. Yeah.

And I was like, this is a, what do we do for this week's episode because this isn't fucking it. And so we put up a live, one of our favorite live episodes that people had been asking for. We put out anyways. We've built in a security system so that we can take artistic chances. But that was not one we should have ever. This week is one we're going to take and I feel like it's going to go well.

This is a good one. Steven, what's this your idea? The Q&A episode? Yes. I think it was, we all like... Was it Georgia? Yeah. No, no, no.

It was... Such a brat. I was like, I did it. Well, look on your face when I just looked over you right now. You were just like, ooh. I hate myself. It was like, I hate myself. Why do I?

Just let everyone have it. We can all enjoy it. You don't think I do that all day long. That's all anyone... If you think of good ideas, you want credit for it. Such a fucking no at all. Sorry. It was Georgia's idea.

Thank you, Steven. Steven's cheeks are all red and now he feels a deep shame for something he had nothing to do. It was actually Steven's idea and I like stole it. Did you steal it? No, I... Steven. No, you're good.

Thank you. Steven, let her off the hook. What were you going to say? Oh, I was just going to say, yeah, Q&A. It's going to be good. You are correct in your A. The Q is... Go on. Well, I was just going to say, did you have something to say about Jean Benet?

Looked like you were going to pick up the mic. Oh, I was going to say, we ended up watching like 45 minutes of it. Oh my God. Wow. So if you want to pay $1,000 to listen to that, give it to charity. We don't need it, but you can't. Also, you know you're not allowed to. We won't tell you what charity it is.

You're such a marketer. You're such a like, how do we take this thing and turn it into... I love it. I'm a know-it-all and I'm a fucking marketer. I'm a know-it-all. I'm a non-marketer. So... Pick one.

I mean, there's all these lanes we can be in. But here's the thing, know-it-alls, it's because we have experience being right. And so it's... You know what I mean? You know why? It's because we actually know it all. Everything. I mean...

If there's anything this podcast has proven is that we know everything. We know everything. Down to... Science. Someone tweeted and said, please make sure people understand that it is important to give like a resuscitation and like it was something where there was a person who had a lot of experience who was just like, you've basically told people they don't have to give res...

Oh my God. I have to tell them. Yeah. Artificial respiration or whatever any of that is. She was like, there's a thing on the wall now when you just pull it off. Yeah. Don't worry about it. You can pull the thing off the wall.

There's a woman like, please know that's not true at all. There's a blow horn on the wall. If you just ram it in their face and blow horn in their face, they're fine. You don't have to give CPR. You don't have to know CPR anymore. No. Congratulations. Yeah.

Okay. So, but something came out of the Jean Bonnet episode. Yes. That's right. Because we did take the time at the beginning to reveal each other's tramp stamps to each other. Which we just promised. Yes.

Thank God, Karen remembered that. Yeah. So we're actually going to play... That was real time. Yeah. We're going to play that back. We're not going to recreate it. Yeah.

We promise you, of our tramp stamps, go. Quickly tell everyone how and why and where and under what conditions you got your tramp stamp. Go. Oh, yeah. I had my heart broken really bad for like the first big time ever was I was like 19 and it was like ripped from my fucking chest and I just needed a distraction so badly. I was so sad that I was just like, I'm getting a fucking tattoo.

So I had my friend. Perfect solution. And I was just like, I need something else to fucking focus on. So I had my friend who had a bunch of tattoos take me to the tattoo artist in Orange County that he went to who ended up sucking. And I got hearts on both my like upper flanks. You use the word flank, which is great and perfect. You can see that in your mind.

Absolutely. So it's two red hearts with a black little outline on them. They're cute. It's almost like you, like you accessorized yourself permanently. Yeah. Yeah. I don't mind them. I never see them.

I forget they're there. And it totally worked. It totally distracted me. Yeah. That's great. Guys, get a tattoo if you're sad. Yeah. It's perfect.

What about you? I just have a salmon. I just have a picture of a salmon. Is it like a filet of salmon on a plate with like some parsley on it? It's some delicious braised salmon. It's a, it's actually looks exactly like the sticker on the back of a fisherman's truck cab. Yeah.

It's like, oh, here, I like fishing these specific kind of fish. It's based on that picture. Is it color? No. Okay. Why did you get that? Alcoholism. And we.

Why a salmon? I've told the story before, but the original plan was we were going to get Pog Mahon tattooed on our asses. It was me and my two other alcoholic friends. What's that? Or I mean party friends. That's Gaelic for kiss my ass. So we thought we were drunk without be very funny to get that tattooed on our ass.

So we went to the tattoo parlor on sunset that's not there anymore. And when we told the guy that was a plan, he refused to do it. He said it would look terrible. The words would have to be too big. Good for him. Thank fucking God for him. But then my friends who also already had tattoos had backup like plan B's immediately. And I was just standing there still totally drunk and like, I don't know.

And so I did like a thing that I thought would be kind of funny or like, I can't really explain it. It's just the perfect symbol of how I did everything in the 90s. It's almost like a, it's a fuck it tattoo. Yeah. It's a who fucking cares about life tattoo. It's a permanent fuck it, which is what's stupid about it. Well, it's on your back. Who sees it?

Nobody. Not me. I mean, when you're walking away. Not me. Not me. I love the fact that you hate fish. Yeah. I can't eat it.

You can't eat fish. Can't eat it. All right. Stephen, look away. We're going to show each other our trans stamps. Can I see? Karen, show me your salmon. It's not a whale tail.

Let's see. Oh, wow. It's actually done really well. Is it? It's really light too. Yes. It's like a shade. It's well shaded.

I was expecting like a cartoon outline of it. Oh no. I don't know. It's actually done really well. It's not as big as I thought it would be. He's wearing glasses. You can. Yeah.

He's got a cigar in his mouth. For me, it feels humongous. Like the size of a palm of my hand. It's not. And honestly, and I'm not just, you don't need to do this, but if you wanted to get that removed, I bet it would take just a few sessions. I bet it would. Because it's not bad.

It just looks almost like veins. Like strangely placed veins right now. It's really light. Okay. Let's see yours. Mine isn't. And if I ever want to get removed, I just have to cut my flanks off. Oh.

At least you have flanks. Yeah. Talk about mudflaps. Oh, America. I wish you could see what I'm seeing right now. Isn't it cute, right? It's such a 19 year old Georgia move. It's so good.

I mean, it looks like two Mrs. Grossman stickers on either side of the above of your butt cheeks. That's so funny. Fuck it, man. Just kind of classic. Yeah, fuck it. Adrian, thank you for breaking my heart. Thank you for having a girlfriend the whole time you were dating me. Oh, Adrian.

Thank you for ghosting me. Adrian, what did you think was going to happen? And also, do you still feel that now, that human impact hangover that you left? Yeah. Do you feel it? We're friends on Facebook. Yeah. No, I know.

That's why I can't be on Facebook. I'm so much better than him. Now, I won. And you got the hearts to prove it. And I got the back and hearts to prove it. The broken hearts and the butt hearts. The heart of your butt. You know?

Yeah. So that's tattoo. Okay. We just had to, we had to get that cleared up before we could give our full attention. We can't keep talking about it and then not do it. That's exactly right. Okay. I remember.

Remember? And then, so something did come out. Good of. Yeah. We learned a little more about each other. We're just building that bridge of love. If you had to get another tattoo, what would it be? Your face.

Next to the salmon. On the salmon. You're the salmon's birthmark and it's all fate. It's like God's. Close up look. God's own salmon. I feel like obligated to get a stay sexy, don't get murdered tattoo. You do.

I do. But then what if it all goes to shit? And I'm like reminded every day that like this ended in a fire. Well, you'll be reminded every day anyway. So you might as well like. That's true. Make it look like you have some sort of sense of humor about it. That's true.

You can't. And then I can, if I get stay sexy, don't get murdered when it all goes to shit. I can write, I didn't stay sexy. They're also, they're so adjustable tattoos. There's nothing more flexible than a tattoo. Oh, and then I wanted to read a corrections corner email. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. Guess what? I was wrong about stuff. This is Georgia, by the way. This is from. How do you say that name? Let's see. Shalowa.

It's got to be better than Shiloh. Shit. You're right. How come I can't put letters and they're correct? Because you panic. I have panic dyslexia. Don't you think like the second you look at it and it's not immediately recognizable, you're like, you're going to get it wrong.

And then you don't let yourself. I also don't think that the, I do want to say that the name Siobhan, the spelling is not fair. I think I've said that before. Anyways. The Irish name Siobhan. Yeah. No, it's spelling.

It's looks like Siobhan. It's not fair. It's insanity. But that's Gaelic. That's like a whole different language. Okay. Someone who can't read things. It's not fair.

Okay. Yeah. That one's not fair. First of all, I wanted to thank you for Shelling for sharing my tree's tragic story. That's a couple of episodes back. It's really great. It's not great, but a horrible story. That's important.

Okay. Anyways, I think it's incredibly important for the public to be aware of such mishaps and encourage law enforcement entities to learn from these tragedies. Both of the agencies mentioned in your story have been around for a long time and have both wonderful triumphs and shameful pieces to their history. My correction is to bring awareness that the LAPD and the LA County Sheriff's Department are not the same thing. Hi.

Now, both are two enormous departments within the County of Los Angeles, and lots of people think that they are synonyms for each other. However, when referring to specific cases, especially when there was neglect or misuse of powers, it's important to hold the correct agency accountable. In your retelling of the story, you actually referred to both. However, this was entirely the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department case. LAPD was not involved whatsoever. Thank you, Stephen, for taking the time to read this.

I only made the correction because I know that you have such a large audience and don't think that incorrect information, especially in such a turbulent social and political climate towards law enforcement, should be perpetuated. True. A small additional correction, a law enforcement officer is never trained to shoot someone simply to injure them. For instance, hit them in the shoulder or the leg, said Georgia. He didn't write that.

Or she didn't write that. I said that. There are other tools at their disposal for less than lethal force, and the firearms only meant for one purpose, interesting. If I can ever be of any help on any of these topics, please feel free to reach out. I think we need this person in an entire episode. Yes, for sure. I am a forensic psychologist with a research background in police psychology, and I also

have law enforcement experience. Keep up the amazing work, ladies. I love all that you do. Shiloh. Shiloh. Wow. Thank you so much for that email. I mean, listen.

You know what's embarrassing to me about that email is I have, as I've mentioned several times, a lot of relatives in the San Francisco police department, but I also have had relatives that are sheriffs. So I feel like if anyone should have known that very big difference, I should have at least said such a thing. You mean the comedy writer? No. Why would you know that?

I don't know. I just feel like that's something I kind of know back in the back of my mind. Yeah. But I think it's because they do it in different areas. So if you were to tell me they were synonymous, I would have been like, oh, that makes sense to me. That was a perfect email of telling us why we were wrong. And also information that we do really need to know.

Yeah. I'm so happy to get those in the same way that when we were told that you don't say prostitute, you say sex worker, we have just completely tried never to do that again. And I fucking correct people all the time in the most cocky way. Actually, dad? I corrected my dad the other day. Don't you feel like there's nothing better? There's nothing more quickly that you do that with new information than turn around and

use it on somebody else. Oh. That's my favorite thing. Oh. The second, I mean, the second somebody says anything about the sheriff and the LAPD, I'm going to be like, I'm sorry, excuse me, I don't mean to interrupt your dinner. Those are two different entities. They're not synonymous.

And do I use that word? And it's because we know everything, yes, even, even until we learn it and then from there on. But then, yeah, but then we still know it and time is a flat circle. So last week when we, we played our live episode from Indianapolis, is that right? And Karen's fucking fabulous murder. What was her name? Belganis.

Belganis had a fucking thing in the newspaper asking for her husband that she was going to murder. And it said at the end. Others need not apply. And we said to you guys at this show where that's our next shirt. And guess what? It is. Yep.

Let's do birthday corner. Oh, go to my favorite murder shirts.com. I'm all over the place. I love it. Uh, Karen. Yes. When this comes out. It will be my birthday.

God willing. When this comes out. I could be dead soon. That's true. I was thinking more that the entire world will implode and there won't be. In two days. No way. Off the grid.

The grid will be down. That's going to take at least four more months. I'd say four days. So when this comes out on Thursday. We have, let's see, wait. Two days. Two days. The grid won't go down.

We can make it in two days. Yeah. Friday. We're fucked. But on Thursday. Happy birthday. Thank you kindly. I'm so excited for you.

We're going to be on tour. Yep. Um, it's a dream birthday. I get to be in a hotel room, which I loved. I get to go do shows for our fans, which is the most fun, the biggest, like ego boost, the most, the best way to make a living. Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic about the hotel room. No, I could live in hotel rooms.

There's nothing I love more. I thought you were going to get like real dark and deep of like, I'm going to be alone. No. I'm going to be alone. I was like, Vincent, I will take you to dinner. I was like, how much do you want to be the couple that's like, no, you just make out the whole time. Anyway, you guys, what TV shows do you like?

Um, I wish I had a show on your birthday that would be so fun. Just travel the best part about touring. Can I bring you a donut on stage on Friday at the DC show? Whichever one's first. Or do you not want a whole audience singing happy birthday to you? You probably do. Oh, I absolutely demand it. Okay, great.

Yeah. Stephen, what were you going to say? Happy birthday. Yeah. Just happy birthday. I'm pretty excited. I mean, at my age, you stop caring about birthdays and I know that people say that it's a real mom thing to say while you throw a dish towel over your shoulder, but you really just, you

know, I think at 23, you stop caring about birthdays unless you're really just unless you're really looking for something. Yeah. Really searching. Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, that got dark. Yeah.

Hey, let's get questions asked at us. Okay. Great. That was our new idea of questions. My, my. It's a Q&A episode. Everybody get ready. Did you make any kind of keyboard music for the Q&A episode?

I got two days. Yes. Can you do you think you lay in like ready keyboard exciting music? Well, I just saw a guy brand them. So I'm thinking about, you know, talk show game show. So I got a yes. Okay. Let's pause right here for Stephen to put his, his music in.

Oh my God, Stephen, that was amazing. It's all teed up now. Just a baby screaming. Just a Jeopardy theme. Oh, that's really good. With a baby screaming over it. That's perfect. There.

Um, so here's some stats, uh, 400 emails in 3.5 days. Wow. Um, and yeah, that's the only stat, I guess the other stat is that the only stat words. So the first question I thought would be the most interesting is who thought of the name my favorite murder and what were the, this, oh, Jessica asked this and what were the other name alternatives? Oh, never any other alternatives. It came out real fast from what, how I remember it.

Uh, I was, I believe we were on the phone. No. We were, I thought we were at cafe 101 in a booth. Oh, that's very possible. You mean at our, like that four hour, one of our, I think it was the one where I finally was like, can we make this a podcast? And I was like, meet me here. We're doing this.

Okay. And then we, we like slowly came up with the idea, not slowly, I think it was like pretty rapid fire. It was pretty fast. I think I went to P and came back and you were like, what about this? Yeah. And then I was like, yes. And that was it.

Yeah. There was never any, I, I, I remember the notebook I brought and I recently went to find the page of like notes I took and like what we could do and there wasn't any because it was just like, okay, let's do that. Yes. I just remember you came out, uh, with the, it was like, it was your idea to do it. And then it was, you brought the hometown murder idea. So it was almost like it just went, it was like watching something lay out in front of

you where you're just like, oh yeah, this, um, I remember, I remember pitching that, but I, for some reason I remember being on the phone, but then I also remember, I mean, who knew? I really, I would never argue it, but I do remember that night going home and cause I was, I think I said verbally to you, what if we'd had like a, a kind of a dark, a true detective style theme? And then I went home just to, I just sat in my TV room and did what is now the actual theme.

Yeah. One, one take. But it was a one take kind of example. It was supposed to be an example. Yeah. That's why the sound is so bad on it. I wonder if we still have the text. I still have the, um, I still have the recording you sent me because it's in all the texts

on, on your iPhone. Yeah. But I just want, it's got to be in there somewhere of like, how's this song? And I, I think I was like, great, let's do it. Yeah. I think you recorded it after we recorded our first episode. Yes. That's right.

Yeah. Okay. I don't know. I think the first one, we just needed to put it, oh, we put it in after. Yeah. All right. Is this interesting? I don't know.

Are you interested? I'm interested. I guess I am. This is fun. Do you know what I love? Us. Talking about ourselves. Totally.

You know what this podcast is? Talking about ourselves. Totally self-indulgent. Yes. We're talking about other stuff. Yeah. Um, if, if you switch bodies, freaky, this is from Melissa. Yeah.

If you switched bodies, freaky, freaky Friday style for one day, what would you do as the other person? I would touch my big boobs. I'm not kidding. I'm sorry. I'm touching your boobs. I just immediately was like, I'd have big boobs. I would, um, start off with your most insane outfit, like your most, your most, um, extreme

vintage dress. I know which one it is. Pre-breakfast. Uh-huh. And I would change my clothes 25 times that, that day. Because I have so many clothes. Because you have so many outfits and you have so many combinations and Georgia's this thing. I call, I have one shirt.

I call it my meeting shirt and every time we, George and I have a meeting together, I show up in the same shirt. I've been at a lot of meetings lately too. So it's kind of been like, it's pretty hilarious. And I'm like, I am like, what am I going to win? Yep. And I'm like, should I leave now? I'm already 50 minutes late.

Um, but then Georgia rolls up in clothes that I'm like, I remember people wearing that in 1982. Like these outfits that are so rad and perfect. Thank you. Yeah. So I would do outfits. I have a shopping addiction. It's a problem.

No, but I did show up to therapy today and like my favorite like sweater and my therapist almost started crying because she was like, I had that when I was in elementary school. You have so many clothes that I had in elementary school. It's hilarious. That means watch me. Uh, I love dressing. I love outfits. This is what happens when all you have is hand me downs when you're a kid from like

boys, like your older cousin, boy cousins. You become a shopaholic and then just have all the clothes. Yeah. And the cutest dresses. Thank you. I touch my boobs. Still. Oh, you know what I would do to I would have cleavage that I had learned what it was like

for someone to talk at my boobs. You know how like girls are like, he just stared right on my booze and he's like, that's never happened to me. I think when you have big boobs, well, it just depends on the kind of person you are. But I've been the person that's been like, you know, these are not the droids you're looking for. I'm sorry to objectify you. No, it's okay.

I'm not. I'm sorry if I made you uncomfortable. It's okay. I'm just so happy. I've had like most basically an A cup my entire life. I've always wanted to be the kind of girl that like, oh, it's a special party. I'm going to put on, I'm going to get put a push up bra on and put on like this dress. But my boobs, like in that scenario, it looks rated X. It's like it looks, it looks, it

looks like it's not for public consumption. I also have like a sadness around showing too much skin or it's like, why do I have to do this in society? Like I get, I definitely, when I'll try to wear a low cut shirt, I get sad. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you feel like you feel like you have to. Yeah.

Like I feel objectified. Like I'm doing to you right now. Congratulations. It's fun when your friend does it though. Okay. It is. It's a compliment. So this is a question that we got from a lot of people, but I had a question about

it because isn't the first episode technically your favorite murders, Jon Benet and the Sacramento's East Area Rapist? Are those technically your my favorite murders? We can ask that a lot when it's like, what is your favorite murder? And I just don't think there's an answer. No. So then my question is, has that changed since you started doing this podcast has like, has like your, what you would consider your favorite says it changed at all since you started?

I would say it has changed because it, to me, it's this, it's the murder story. The best thing that lays out as a story is become my favorite because when it's like a person that's say it's just like they killed a bunch of people in one day at the end. Like it's hard to make that have legs or be, you know, like you have to do a bunch of other research to pull that out in any way. Like there's a lot of murderous people like, I wish you would do this that we just can't because there's not, it's just the sad short story of, and there's no conclusion to it. Or like I've, we've talked about this a couple of times and there's been a couple of people

that tweeted, but the Georgia Moses story, who is the other little 12 year old girl who was murdered in my hometown, who is black. And so she was basically the, like the opposite of polyclass where polyclass, it was a national news story and nobody's ever heard of Georgia Moses. And when I went, I told people I would do that story and when I went to research it, every single part of it is so depressing. She was so abandoned and not taken care of and the, you know, not supported in any way and no one helped her, no adults in her life seemed to help her.

She was such a, it's just a sad story that like I, you know, it's that kind of thing where then I just, I kind of avoid it because it's like, how do I present this in a way that doesn't want to make you just cry at the end? Yeah. I think the word favorite is so, I just, I love, I love the stories and the mysteries and the horrorific circumstances behind it and in a way that means I fucking hate it so much that it makes me angry. So that's what you, I mean, it's just so hard to be like Jean Benet is my favorite Jean

Benet is really interesting to me because I think that it's so diabolical and insane. And then I just, I don't know, there's no, there's too many categories, I think to really pick one and to also, I've answered that question differently every time we've been asked it. Me too. And then we get asked like, what was your first one that you were interested in? For me, it changes all the time. We're like, I'll remember a new one and be like, oh yeah, I love that. But I just remember this morning that when I was like 13, Jane's addiction was my favorite

band in the world. And I just remembered they have a song called Ted Just Admit It that was about Ted Bundy, which made me look who the fuck is Ted Bundy and made me look into it. And that was, it's just like, you just, what was your first, what was, I don't know, what's your favorite? It's, yeah, it's hard to remember those. Like everybody has a million defining moments or a million, like it, I mean, like mine hasn't even really a murder.

I just remember how excited I got when I went to check out the Amityville horror book at my grammar school library and sister Rita Rose, who was the oldest nun in the game. Still wearing a habit and she had like gnarled old fingers. She looked like a character from a Stephen King novel. And I went to check that book out and she was so angry at me, but I was like, it's in the school library. Like it's not my fault. And I also checked it out multiple times, but that was like a deciding thing that school

right now. I found that book and Karen killed Gareth's little man. Someone please go do that. But I mean, you know, being that it's my birthday, we'll just say it was fucking over 30 years ago. That's insane. It was so long ago. I bet it's still there.

They don't rip those card catalog dewey decimal shit out of the book. I wonder what's facing it. I can get my friend Katie to go look because she works there. Katie, do it. Go do it. What was it? I'm sorry. What was the question?

I think we're just done. That was great. Great. You added that. I'm not telling you. It was great. Mary. Oh, sorry.

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We had an interview and which was so incredible on this past weekend and it was amazing and it's like legit. And my mom went exclamation mark and I told her about it. And there were, I started reading the comments and there were all these people are like, how dare they listen that. And every single one was, was commented on by a fucking murder Reno, very eloquently telling them why they were incorrect and why it was actually good and not in a dick way. And it was just like, we don't need, we don't need to respond to those things because everyone's,

everyone's are, there are bullies for us. Right. And also the people that that stance of like the how dare you stance, do you write to Keith Morrison and say, how dare you for reporting the crime, the murders that you do in a salacious way on 2020 or whatever. You know what I mean? Like it's, are you bringing this to other people's doors? I bet they're not.

I bet they are. Keith, call us. Let us know. Can you come out with us? You're the only one that could answer that question. Scotty asks, how much money would you have to be paid to hitchhike across the country? Is that Scotty Landis? I bet it is.

I think it was. Oh no, Scotty's like, cause I want to take you on a hitchhiking and I want to, he's a producer. He's like, that's my new show. The new hitchhiking show where it shows real time, how killed we get. And Scotty doesn't intervene when we're actually going to kill. He just keeps smiling. He's like, great.

This is going to be a hit TV show. Uh, I would, I don't need money. We're, are we together? I don't need money. I think you can set the terms of it. Oh no, you have to be alone and it has to be tonight and tonight. No, no, no. We leave tonight and we have to do it alone.

No, no. So then, but the, well, the monetary answer then would be, I would, it minimum $6 million. I was going to say a million. God, I'm cheap. Um, I'm a cheap kill. Yeah. You got to get that money up there. What if Karen, you had to say, you had to accept every ride that stopped, like you couldn't

be like, no pass. Well, then money wouldn't matter because I would definitely be dead. I mean, right? Like, oh my God. What? But also, I don't think people pick up hitchhikers anymore. No, I think, well, but if you're a girl. I think it's true, but if you're murderable, that's different.

I mean, I think me and my big tits are pretty murderable. And I would definitely be wearing a v-neck t-shirt. Six million. Six million for Karen, a million for me because I have eight cuts. I'm cheaper. Also, I just hate the idea of having to get into other people's cars. Like you know, when you get like, like at festivals, you get picked up by some kid. It's his car and he's got weird shit hanging from the rear view mirror and stuff.

Like it's not like that's a dream, even when they don't want to kill you much less than when you're also feeling like you're in danger. I had an Uber the other day that it smelled like he had put his infected feet on every surface of the Uber on purpose. Did I already tell you this? On purpose that he had, like singing as fucking nursery rhyme touched every, oh, anyways. But worse than that for me was why I kind of stopped taking Ubers after a while is because the cologne or whatever it was happening where they were using either air freshener or it

was cologne. But I would roll the windows and I'd be like the middle of the night and they'd be like, are you, are you hot? What's, do you need me to try on the air conditioner and just be like, I can't breathe. Stop it. You and your axe body spray are bumming me out. I don't, it's too much. It's a lot.

Okay. Did we answer? Thanks, Scotty Landis for playing ball. And starting my favorite murder has anyone who's, oh, this is from Debra. I keep forgetting to put the names. Whatever. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

So starting my favorite murder has anyone who has been in your life for a long time told you a story that you never would have known if it wasn't for the podcast. Everyone. For sure. Yeah. Everyone. And, or they, they mentioned it and now they tell you more details or they remember another one and they're like, oh yeah.

Yes. Definitely. That's definitely happened. And they, they, it's not weird when you ask them for more details. Right. Well, but the best example is my cousin, uh, my cousins texting me on, uh, was it Thanksgiving or Christmas to tell me that my cousin Marty, who is now a retired San Francisco policeman was there and found the fingerprint that broke the, the night stalker case.

Amazing. And like they did, they put it together over there because my cousins listen. Why would they ever tell you that? Yes. And he was like, I was yelling at him because I was like, how could you not? And he was like, I don't think anybody ever wants to talk about that. You know, bring that up with your random cousin that you see once every year. Hey, you know what I did?

I have, I just remembered I'd say the other day, like two weekends ago, I was with my family having lunch and because of the, you know, we were talking about the podcast and my uncle, who I see once every three years or something was like, oh yeah. I, uh, I rented out my apartment to a mass murderer and I, I was like, I'm sorry. Like, and he and I don't, you know, he's, we don't really connect. Right. And then we went and I was like, tell me everything and I have it on my phone recorded. Do you remember the name of my cut of my uncle?

No. Yes. I have it recorded. And I feel like I should save it because it's, it's, it sounds amazing. You know, this sarin gas, uh, in Japan, yes. He was in that cult. No. Well, he rented it to that guy.

He rented it to the head of that cult. No. Yep. The guy that. Yeah. Okay. Should I just tell you or should I work? He's such a funny guy.

I think I should save it and like let him tell you. Okay. Good. Yeah. We'll do that. Okay. Um, so yes, the answer is yes. Uh, Amanda asks, um, would you ever have a pen as a pen pal with somebody in prison?

No. No. Nope. What was that? Not, not what we're interested in. Uh, no, thanks. No. Um, Amber asks, what are some, um, movies that you watch as a kid that frightened

you, but you're still nostalgic about. Pulture Geist. Oh. Pulture Geist. The best. Arachnophobia. Oh, if poor Michael, I for a while was a babysitter, like when I was super broke and it was right after I started having seizures, so I couldn't drive.

Um, and I kind of couldn't do anything and my friend Pat Buckles got blessed her soul. She was like, come and babysit the kids and I'll, I'll pay you, whatever. She took my car. So it was like, she was paying me to be the babysitter and then she got to use my car. It was perfect. But anyway, Michael at the time, who's now like in his early 20s, but he was like five at the time and we were hanging out one night and arachnophobia came on and I was like, do you want to watch this?

He's like, yeah. He still had like a little boy accent, like just a scary, like that I, it scared the shit out of him. And Pat called me later and was like, really? Arachnophobia? And I was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. Like I had to relearn how to be a normal person with children because I was like, oh yeah, you're right.

I have spiders coming out of the shower head. I didn't take a shower as a kid for years now for a, I still don't take a shower. All baby powder. What were your movies? As a kid, um, I mean the exorcist, we saw, I mean, mine are older, but we would always see those movies that got rerun on standard TV. So like the trilogy of terror, it's not a movie, but it was a TV show called The Trilogy of Terror and anybody that was a little in the seventies can tell you that it was the

scariest fucking thing in the world. And we watched it was me and my sister, we were probably like seven and nine, then my cousin Stevie was like 13 and then hit our older cousins were like in their 15, 16, whatever. We all watched it together with the, all the parents throughout dinner and it's the one where it has a little, the last one is this little doll and I believe it's Karen Black is the person who owns the doll and it's like someone gave it to her, uh, from a, you know, they brought it back from some different country and she gets up to take a shower and the doll that's like this tall is sitting there and it's has a thing around its neck and necklace

that says never take this off. And then the necklace drops off and the doll comes to life and it has a little knife and it just tries to kill her and it's, it freaked us all out so bad that like that night we spent the night at my aunt Jean's and my cousin's TV got up in the middle of the night screaming. Oh my God. Like it was a whole event in that, in, in our family. I mean, well, we don't even need movies. We need all the news was like horrifying and they were like kids gather around and look

at all these horrific things. We're about to eat dinner. Check this shit out. Check this shit out. I was just watching Unsolved Mysteries the other night and it's like the song, the theme song makes me want to cry. And then, um, what was the one that was like Twilight Zone, but it was newer. It was called unex, what was it, Steven, unex Steven, uh, amazing story.

Yes. Yes. They had some really fucking skin like all the ghost shit scared the shit out of me when I was a kid. I think on amazing, was it were amazing stories based on true stories or were they, was it just? I think so. Because I feel like that was the one.

It was either the reboot of Twilight Zone or it was amazing, amazing stories where there was a woman, a man picks his wife up after she has been attacked. He picks her up from the hospital. Remember that? And as they're driving home, she goes, there he is. That's the man. And she freaks out. He gets out.

He gets back in and then she does it. She just keeps doing it. The whole ride home. And suddenly he realizes he's killed the wrong man. Is that a, I think that's a Twilight Zone. But it was a new one. Oh. Like it was modern.

Yeah. It wasn't the old. It was great. So that was Joe D'arosa, who was a Twilight Zone expert. So you know, so Joe D'arosa, they, he and Pat Walsh have a, have a podcast that we've talked about called your, what is it called? We'll see you in hell. We'll see you in hell.

And I've met Joe D'arosa's mom and she's, she's got this accent, like Jersey-ish accent. She's like, well, when I was, I would make Joe at six years old, watch these horror movies. She's obsessed with horror movies. And she was just talking about how she'd make Joe at, I didn't want to watch them alone. So you make your five and six year old kid watch them with you and it's like, oh, I get your, I get Joe so much better now. Yeah. Cause he had to watch, had to watch these movies with his mommy.

Joe. Oh. Okay. Sorry. Go on. Not sorry. Why am I sorry? No.

Never sorry. Julia asks, what would your, what would your dream job in the true crime field be? Like if you could be in the true crime, like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I guess, I guess, um, go, going through of crime scene analyst. Is that a thing? Can I go? I think it is. People's shit.

Yes. That's all I want. Crime scene analyst is pro sounds almost definitely like a real thing. I want to go to the estate sale of someone who got killed with the intent of finding out why they got killed. It's going to be a detective. Thank you. Oh my God, I want to be a detective.

You want to be a detective? Yeah. Like a straight up, I don't like, you know, yes, I don't need a fancy fucking office title money. Um, I'm trying to think, I feel like I would want to do something in the lab where they test things where people are waiting to see what the thing is. Really? I like the idea of being at ground zero when you find out this is definitely his blood.

It's not his blood. One of those things. That's cool. I don't, that's, that seems clean and I want to get disgusting. Right. I want to get disgusting except for I want it to be like fictionally disgusting where it's interesting, disgusting as opposed to regular bum or disgusting. I, I, I imagine the first time I see the real, it's really what it is.

I would change my mind, but I did find out that an ex-boyfriend was, um, worked at it, uh, morgue and would pick up the bodies. Yeah. And I was fucking pissed that he got to do that after breaking my heart, that he got to then be something fucking cool and I didn't. Yeah. Did he appreciate it? Did he know that it was?

I think he did. Yeah. Um, Matt Myra also worked at for a funeral home. He did. I listened to his, um, I think he was on crab feast and he told the story. It was, I mean, amazing stories, but I feel like I don't even know enough about any of it. Anyone know what my favorite thing would be.

Yeah. But I think, uh, the person who gets to call the lead detective to say, we got him, sunny or whatever. I want to be a podcast, a true crime podcaster. Oh, I don't think you're going to, I don't think that's going to work out. Is it getting harder to find stories for the podcast? No, not in the least. Oh my God.

There's, we have too many. I have too many that I'm excited about. Yeah. The hard thing is actually for me finding them for live shows suddenly. The work, the work of putting it together in a cohesive, accurate, condensed way. It's just like that, that's going to please people and having that consciousness of it and all that. I think it's just the self-consciousness of live shows of all of it is that's what's

hard for me. Yeah. It's very hard. It's hard, but for me, it's hard, but rewarding. And I enjoy it for our, for the podcast, but live shows is hard because you have, you want to do it somewhere near the town. You're doing it at least I want, I, and then I've realized that there's certain topics that you should, I shouldn't be covering in the live shows.

So you don't want to do a bunch of child murders because then you get silence and that makes me self-conscious and weird. So that part is hard for me. So when I do find one, I get really excited, but I don't have mine for this weekend. And it's Tuesday and. Oh yeah. We have so much time. Because it's so hard.

Yeah. But now we're tour managers, my husband, and he's like, are you done? Do you need to do it? Georgia? No, we're not going out to eat. Oh, then he's fired. You can do it. We simply don't have to deal with that.

He's fired from being my husband, he can still be the tour manager. That's right. Oh, and that was from Sarah. Thanks Sarah. Hi, Sarah. And then Ally asks, she's been dying to know after Minnesota 25, did you two go to Barnes & Noble and get mechanical pencils and a day planner? We did.

We sure did. Sure, shit. I couldn't wait. And so I went and got a day planner by myself. Right. And I ended up at Barnes & Noble and then Georgia was like, well, let's go look at day planners. And then I was like, oh my God, I don't want to run anymore.

But then we had sushi. Then we ate a bunch of sushi and we just had a good old time at the Americana. Yeah. That's it. Glendale's Grove. What's up, Madewell? They love us there. What's up, Madewell?

What's up, Madewell? But also, sorry, Madewell. But then the J crew that's across from the Madewell at the Grove is starting to feel very competitive because I went into the Madewell at the Grove, sorry, this is, I mean, this is asshole corner. But I went into the Madewell at the Grove and the girl gave me a discount and we had a nice chat. And then I got a tweet later that day that was like, we like you better at the J crew

across the street. Oh, dude. Yeah, it was really hilarious. Can I do asshole corner real quick? And last night when I was at the fucking Mecca of Hipsterville of the Trader Joe's in Silver Lake and one of the Trader Joe's workers who was like, I feel like they were on another plane of like coolness somehow. Maybe it's because I, they love an application for Trader Joe's and they never hired me because

I can't math. So it's like. Yeah. Yeah. You think you're better than me. But she was stocking salads and she turns to me and just goes, you know, that's the thing. And I was just, I almost started crying.

And I think I, I think I overdid it because she was just like, great. And like walked away because I almost started crying and she's like this isn't what I wanted from telling her this. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We, we have nice fans. Yeah.

Oh, where'd it go? Oh, Eve asks, a stat I've heard slash seen slash right over the years is that there are approximately 87 active serial killers in the US right now. Do you think this is accurate too high too low? I just read an article that said there were 40. I know. I've seen lower like 30 to 40, but I mean. That's too many.

I also, they don't know it's all conjecture. So it's like, we think it's this, but then when, when the killing field series was on and made it seem like there were 500 active serial killers, I mean, it was like, there's tons. A number I'm more interested in is how many clandestine graves are there. Like right now, carrying your sitting in front of a tapestry of a beautiful forest. And it's like, I, whenever, and when we were driving, we were on a road trip to a locate to do a live show and I was staring at the window and looking at the fields and all I

could think of was how many dead bodies are buried out there because there's got to be so many. So serial killers, I don't know, yeah, but dead bodies. That's what you want to know. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's an interesting, there's a really good, um, I believe it's in the Sandman series by Neil Gaiman, but if I'm wrong, man, are people going to be mad at me.

But there was one of the comic books and the whole thing was about how all the serial killers were meeting up at a motel for the, did you read that one for them for the serial killer convention that they were having? That was in American gods, was it? No. Oh, that was all the gods. Yes. It's called America.

You fucking. Yes. Yes. Similar feel, but I'm pretty sure it was. Oh, that's. Sandman. Interesting. And it was, I think about that all the time.

We're like, do they know each other? They hate each other. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Cause they want to be there. Yeah. I bet they're like, they're not doing it right. Yeah.

Wonder. Wonder. Jordan asks, so my husband got me this Bluetooth whistle thing that should I blow it a text with help and my GPS location is sent to three of my contacts. It keeps updating with my GPS until I check in and verify I'm fine. My question is, what do you think about this kind of technology? Would you guys carry one? And do you think it'll be common in the future?

What if it just picked whatever it was like a roulette of whatever contacts and it was like your ex boyfriend and some guy you met in a fucking someone that you used to work with that you do not talk to anymore? I'm sorry. What? Help. I, the first thing I thought of like, I love the idea of that, but if in my hands, like this weekend I was at the Bridgetown comedy festival, super fun, great.

I must have lost my glasses five times. And a couple of the times they were in my pocket and I was just like, in the second I thought they were gone. I was freaking out and like, I left them at the last place, I would start walking back to places. Oh my God. The whole nine yards. Yeah, but so that being said, what I mean is I have that thing of like, I'm going to

be sending help to people and never meeting it after a while, just like the fable. Everyone's like, it's just her thing where she touches it all the time. But actually I'm at the bottom of a well, you know, it's going to backfire on me. Eventually we'll know. Eventually after three days of, have you heard from Karen? No. Yeah, but the way I am of like flaking on people and late, it's going to be like three months later.

You're like, should we check on Karen? Oh, she might be mad at me or whatever. I just like never come over. I almost got you for your birthday this like, it was this like journal notebook and it just said on the front, excuses for why I can't go out. But I didn't. So true. I mean, dude, I need that too.

I mean, I was like, do I have a stomach ailment? Like this weekend was great because I was trying to do a fake, not a real fast and I was like, I can just tell everyone that I can't go out and they'll get it because we're in LA. Yes. That's right. That's a classic. And then I had a pretzel. That pretzel looks so good.

Oh honey. Jordan texted me the pretzel, the picture of the pretzel that was breaking her fast and I wanted to reach through the phone and grab it away from her. The York and Highland Park and as I was walking back to my car where Vince and I were walking across the crosswalk and this couple and one of them is like a model, like one of the most beautiful women and she said, hi, Georgia. And I was like, I absolutely don't know anyone who looks like that. And I said, hi.

I was like, not hi, I said, hi, but then she tweeted at me and was like, I said hi to you. I'm a fan of the podcast and I was like, I know because I would have known that I know a model. Oh, it's my model friend. Gloria. It's my model friend. Yes.

Tangent. Tangent. I also, the first thing I said when I got here was like, that pretzel looks amazing. I just was like, like, oh my God. So it was so big and it looked like a cartoon pretzel. Yes. That's right. York and Highland Park.

Shout out. Yeah. Well done on your pretzel game. Alyssa asks, do you think you guys could get away with murder? No. No, I don't think, no. I would leave my glasses there. Leave old and lobe.

Shout out for real. I would confess. Yeah. I think I just couldn't carry that around with me. No, no, no. That's even considering it makes me feel guilty. Yeah. Everything about it is so terrible.

No, I just, I can't, you know, I wouldn't get away with it because I don't think, because in my mind I would think I couldn't get away with it. So I would just go and say, and I would probably kill myself and leave a note. I just couldn't do it. Yeah. But then you'd already killed somebody else. So then it was just like, it would just be a total wipe. Yeah.

Just no one. No. Nobody. Everybody loses. Yeah. I did once know a person who was not related to me or in my friend's circle or whatever. It was like somebody else's somebody and they are such an awful person to be around. Such an awful person that I was like, in my mind, I was like, I could poison that person.

It would never get back to me because I have no connection and I know it would be a solution for a lot of people's lives. But you know. That's the thing I think is you can't have any ties. You can't have any ties, but you'll still have ties because in this day and age with the, everything is traceable. There's no perfect crime. You can't do it.

And in DNA, there's no, I mean, there's no thing that doesn't tie you back. Even poison. It's like, well, they can trace why, where people bought this poison. Yes. There's no way. There's no way. Also, don't kill people. Also, yeah.

This, then in me killing this person, I think is so terrible, makes me worse than that person. Right. So. Right. End of thought process. Listen. Stop it. Don't get life insurance policies.

Stop it. Okay. Charlotte asks, if you had a chance to go back and be involved in an investigation of any serial killer or unsolved case, which one would it be and why? Oh, like, can we, listen, I know you didn't write this even, but I want some clarity, like from the beginning, let's say, don't look at the paper, tell Stephen you're answering this from the beginning. I'm going to say, yeah, you're hit the ground running.

You're like first call. Well, Jean Benet. I'd say Zodiac. Ooh. I just recently rewatched, and I talked about it, but rewatched that movie at Santa Family. So. Oh, cool. It's such a good movie.

It's so perfectly made. He's making a new, a new serial killer movie, right? I know. Yep. What is it? Is it the one about the, the British guy? I don't know. I, someone told me about it and I got so excited.

I think I wrote it in my calendar. I think my friend Carlos, who like, we've been friends for a long time, but as soon as I started this, he found out about this podcast, he just sends me shit all the time about like murder. The best. Just great. And he sent me the trailer. I haven't seen it, but.

We watched it together. Didn't we? Probably. I bet we did. Okay. So you're probably the person I'm talking about when I say someone told me about it. We're great. I mean, our worlds are just combining.

I think we saw each other every day last week. We really did. Like not even just as like, and I was probably wearing a new vintage dress and every single one. And then we might say meeting shirt every single day. Okay. That's a great one. Yeah.

That's a hard one. Cause I feel like Jambane is easy. It's obvious. But Zodiac is clues and shit. Oh, sorry. I meant Zodiac with Mark Ruffalo. I just would like to be around him doing some very honorable and noble police work. Fair enough.

In the seventies of San Francisco. Let's see. I think we're winding down. More. I love talking about myself. If you were an inmate on death row, Julia asks, um, this is the same Julia as before. Fried chicken. She can ask that.

Fried chicken. You want your final meal? Fried chicken. I knew that was, I fucking. I love those photos. I do too. Oh man. There was a girl, the girl who got so drunk at one of our shows that she vomited and

crawled out. And crawled out. Fucking. Who was lovely. Just fist in the air to you, girl. She turned out to be a lovely girl, uh, had done a, uh, dinner party of last meals. And I think she like bought 14 buckets of KFC, you know, like did the whole thing. Yeah.

Serving that stuff up. I mean, what would you do? Because I could go eat KFC right now. If I wanted to. I'd fucking hate myself. But sorry. Are you saying you would do just full only chicken or a full KFC like buffet? Yeah.

Okay. Which. So when we were driving to Philadelphia and they had a KFC buffet restaurant. Yes. That's right. My dream. Anyways. What would yours be?

What, uh, let's see. I mean, I guess it would, I would have to do my, what I call my quote unquote special occasion foods that I eat constantly pretending that it's my birthday all the time, which is like mac and cheese. From where? Like it has to be a place. Um, or just like a kind. Or like, I guess like, um, shit, I'm trying to think of like, where's a plate like a soul

food restaurant. Okay. Mac and cheese. Um, probably, I guess like a soul cause fried chicken soul food would like those baked beans, that kind of stuff, but also I was going to say, um, mac and cheese, uh, one of those soft pretzels with the cheese dip. Yeah. Something like that.

Now my mouth just watering. It's gross. I'm hungry. Um, what was I, oh, uh, a waffle chicken and waffles. Well, oh, that was going to say, we're, we have a little road trip this weekend on our tour and there is a white castle. Yes. As far as Vince is concerned or says, yeah, and I've never been to an actual white castle

restaurant. I've had them frozen so many drunk times. Yeah. And I'm really excited to go to a real hot out of the bag. We neither of us as California girls have ever had that experience of white castle out of the bag. Hoping there's a waffle house, but I'm not sure if there is, but either way, we're going to get our white castle.

We're getting a white house. It's exciting. Um, Lauren asks, um, just curious to know what your thoughts are on making a murder. I loved it. I watched it. I think that was near the beginning of us of this podcast because I watched it. I started it at seven o'clock at night and stayed up all night and watched it through the night and into the next morning.

And then I remember telling you about it after I did that. I just couldn't stop watching it. It was, it was an incredible, incredible show. Yeah. With people who seemed like they were from central casting of either inept or totally corrupt politician types. It was amazing. And then I was, I went to, and you were supposed to come to the Strand and Sturm and Drang.

What was it? The Strand and Dean, yeah, uh, like they had a Q and a or like a talkie times. Yes. It was great. They were fucking bad ass motherfuckers. Yeah. Yeah, it was great. This question comes from city life office.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh, yours, they're serving us with their papers through Stephen. You're under arrest. It's all been a ruse. City life office asks, uh, what does a day in the life of Karen and Georgia look like? Oh God. Tell me your tape.

You want to tell me your day-to-day? We get up out of our bunk beds and Georgia slips into a vintage dress, I put my meeting shirt on. A house stress. Karen loses her fucking mind because I'm in a house stress. I panic, even though it's eight in the morning. Uh, I woke up late and went to therapy. Yeah.

Right. I screamed at a chair for the first time. Interesting. You know, role-playing situation. Yeah. How'd it feel? Hard. It was really hard.

Emotionally. It felt stupid, but it was really hard emotionally and I fucking bawled, which I don't do in therapy. Yeah. You got to get that stuff out. It felt good. I thought I have a ton of anger. Mm-hmm.

I'm just keeping inside of me. Hello. And welcome to my world. Do you do? Have you ever done that? I've never done it before. I don't keep it inside me. No, because I don't have a problem expressing anger or crying at all.

I'm right there on the edge at all times of any emotion that you could name willing to serve it up with just a little bit of glaze on the top because I'm... We'll get ready for scrimmy, Georgia, because she's... Is that your new face? She's coming up. Yeah. It's happening. She wants the world to know...

I'll back you up, girl. I'll back you up, girl. ...that she's fucking pissed off shit. I get you. Mom, you ticked me. Over. I'll back you up, girl. You guys scream it out.

My therapist was so happy. Like I could see she was on the edge of her comfy sofa chair. Yeah. And she was like, almost like cheering, and I was like, oh, I'm doing this right, finally, after two and a half years of therapy. What did you do today? She broke you open. She broke me open.

Well, and just so you know... I got back in catberry cream egg. Then you got your stuff all over the chair. I was raised in a household of yellers and confronters always, so to me, it's not only... I mean, I get upset when I know I'm going to upset other people or when other people are upset, which then makes me need to get mad so that you don't get to have your feelings, but I still get to do my thing. Like preemptively shielding yourself from what's about...

Not even shielding yourself, just like preparing for it. Recoil maybe, whatever. It just all becomes a thing, but my dad just saying that because in our family, my dad would answer the phone yelling so that when people would be like, Karen, they'd be like, hold on a second. And then I would pick up the phone and almost like eight out of 10 times, my friends would go, are you in trouble? And I'd be like, no, what are you talking about?

Because the volume and the like emotion level in our house was always at eight. So you must have a lot of tension. Yeah. And yes, I have more than my fair share of tension. And also that kind of like being criticize, when you're criticized all the time or like teased all the time, then you have a sensitivity that doesn't make sense, it'll come out and it doesn't make sense to people when it's, because it's kind of like a lifelong, raw nerve that if it's like a very random one and then if you touch it, good night.

Exact. Good night. thing and there's malaria and you can get the malaria and the mosquito catches on fire it's exciting mine is that a timidness so I say you don't get a fucking see my anger I'm gonna put it inside me and get gastrointestinal issues cuz of my anger who's inside of me yeah yeah I think that's very common with women yeah cuz it's not certainly not feminine considered typically feminine or in any way attractive to be when I got home from therapy I had to say to Vince it's

okay that I'm mad at you like over this thing yeah like I couldn't even be mad at him I had to make sure he was okay well it's very scary yeah there's a great book called the dance of anger not to be totally weird no we need a foot this is a thing well this is a book I read and it's because it's this amazing breakdown of how people who are angry or use anger what they're actually doing and because it's very intimidating and it's a very shocking a lot of times and if you if you do it correctly you can really control people with yeah emotions to a point well my mom did that for sure yeah so you kind of it's just like that

would happen on my house is like if you had a complaint people would just yell you down with their bigger complaint or if you were angry they were angry or about something else so it was just like you could never really have the floor because that was very threatening thing to have a problem with like the system okay it was like unjustified or your anger was compounded because they wouldn't listen to it yeah it wasn't just if your anger wasn't justified in someone else's eyes never and also it was always I'm I was the dramatic one so it was like no matter what I was doing I was being overdramatic so yeah that's

insanely frustrating what's this the calm oh it's called the dance of anger and it's basically like when angry people shut you down like it's a it's the perfect way to get people to stop doing whatever they're doing because you're intimidating them but yeah you can get through that and not be intimidated you can get that angry person to actually break open because there's you paint yourself into a corner when you're like the angry shout or reactor yeah and you don't ever get a learn and grow and all this and and actually like communicate what you really what the real problem is well you show me that too where it's

like when I've gotten angry with you it's like what's what's really going on and I want to be like nothing you fucked up and then it's like oh well I'm in Tim I feel sad and intimidated over this thing and I'm panicking yeah it's like oh my god it's really scary to be vulnerable it's horrible that worked and it's easier to be angry because that's the first yeah it's just like the thing that shoots up first you go with that maybe double down on it and then you're free and clear because everyone backs away yeah but then for me and it's even harder than at that point to come back and be like well no yeah you can't there's no I mean

talk about like rigidity and like you really up then it's like it's like 90s stand-up comedy where all we did was go like that person sucks that person sucks and then suddenly you're like well then everyone's my enemy like doesn't make sense it doesn't everyone's just trying why do they suck yeah and also really because what you're saying is I suck yeah crying today was really helpful and I'm really excited to go in my closet and put a chair in the corner and scream at it I can't wait that's gonna be great that's you've got your like your elbows deep in the good stuff right now first time she's been like here we go and I'm

like why are you paying you for the past two years when you actually tell me to scream it and fucking cry because it takes that's the thing about therapy it like I remember on like year seven with my therapist going ooh I feel like we just chipped something off and she's like that's right like we're just chipping away a calcified wall of bad ideas that we're pretty soon we're gonna get to a door and then I'm gonna be too scared to open that door what was so funny to me is last week you and I were having dinner at a place and then I was like yeah I think I'm gonna go to what every other week with my therapist I think I'm good

right now and then later I was like yeah my therapist said to me that next week we're gonna get into the deep mom stuff and you were like so you're gonna go see her every other week huh it was like so obvious I was like I can't deal with that I'm gonna go not see her anymore and then maybe like maybe don't not go see her every other way maybe you really fucking need to get into the shit sorry I caught you fucking cock blocked me so hard yeah I'm not seeing my therapist thank you thank you you're welcome really great today you're welcome I'm glad that makes me very happy to hear yeah that's good so those are that's basically how our

days go oh yeah if we're if that's not what we're doing is what we're talking about therapy is life man really and also what I told Georgia at one point I can't remember we got into a fight about some dumb thing yeah and then after when we had a great talk about it yeah that's the thing I love the most is that we always have the best talks we get further along I it makes me so happy for sure and it makes me happy to be friends with you thank you me too um but growing and learning we really are I told Georgia I go right at this point I feel like I'm being paid to maintain a good relationship with you like that's

all we have to do that's what this podcast is is making sure that but if like nobody listens and it was just our therapist feeding into like they were all the Twitter people and they were all the like people buying tickets to the shows and just giving away for free being like God they're learning so much finally what great therapists are really dedicated to us totally that'd be amazing what we hope you're gonna say that we you're being paid to oh no just that joke of like that that's and also I my therapist actually said that to me she's like if you can make this relationship with Georgia work you can

make any relationship work which is of course after you get a divorce you become convinced that you just simply can't do it right why try and why why like why go back to you know a ground zero type situation be like oh I guess I'll do this again try this again yeah and eight months or in five years it'll fucking implode yeah nope it could actually work with the right temperament and the it's like a resilience a quality of resilience and a quality of being willing to say I made a mistake can we fix it yeah that's all yeah you know what we're all human that's right that was really beautiful

even kept putting the microphone when he thought it was over and we just kept going can I interrupt you guys please stop Steve was like I wasn't can you guys stop I'm not recording we've got so many more questions um should we end on that and play Jesse's murder or is there a really good one that you wanted with Steve there's one good one to end with okay okay and then one note because people are asking what my favorite murder was and it's Selena from episode 32 that's right cuz you remember it as a child yeah it had it had that same kind of impact when when people talk about that thing where you saw on the TV or and

you grew up in a Mexican-American family yes exactly yeah and so you it's just something you talked about all the time so yeah and this is so shocking it's so I think about that one a lot too which just so unnecessary and so tragic that and so surprising the way it happened it wasn't a you know a male rabid male fan it was just this insanely mentally ill woman yeah so unnecessary and sad yeah and at that point of it that double tragedy or the extended tragedy of that she was just about to potentially cross over and kind of become this I don't know symbol of Latin-American or whatever Mexican-American star that was like

suddenly it's like these are here's another kind of music that you can get into and listen to in here like she was just she was basically on that train of everybody knowing her wonderful person yeah sorry Stephen so this is this question I had to print out the email for it because it's sort of a hometown as well the headline is would you marry a serial serial killer's son hello Karen Georgia Stephen and fur babies love the podcast you hold a special place in my heart I'm really curious to know what each of you would do in the situation a relative of mine met the love of her life and after a whirlwind of

romance he sat her down for a serious chat he said that he would love to have a future with her but before they went any further she needed to know that his father was in jail for killing and dismembering a large number of sex workers my relative decided to stay with her man and they are now married with children I guess the next thing to do is decide when to tell their children about their grandfather before they can discover it online for themselves if they choose what would you do oh well I would definitely continue a relationship with that person they're not responsible for their father's actions and the fact that

they they understood the severity of it enough to sit them before it was very you know before they were in deep let them know because understanding that that's a choice someone would make that's very mature I would never hold that against them yeah I would never hold that against anybody and it's that they are actually a victim as well like it's not there's anything it would just be like how difficult that would be for a person it would almost I feel like I would like to think I would have even more empathy for that person because they had gone through such a serious life challenge and their relationship and

I mean everything about that would be so hard for that person I would just feel such deep sadness and empathy for them that it would almost be the opposite of like I wouldn't break up with them never and as for the kids I feel like he's slowly introduced like you know as they understand what grandma's and grandpa's are and what about dad's dad where's dad you know you say he did a very bad thing and he's in jail he's in prison forever for it or you know you slowly let them know you know what I realize more information to them yeah because I realized this and it's weird that I've never said this before and I

in no way was holding it back I just kind of mentally like rediscovered it recently but my mother's father died when she was 21 so I never knew him but I found out when I was a full grown adult I think probably in my late 20s my dad told me he was stabbed to death in a bar fight holy shit and that's how he died that's how he died but my we were always told he died of a heart attack and so it wasn't till much much later and I didn't like I didn't know anything about it but I only recently realized where I'm like oh actually it's not funny when it's your own thing you don't it's my own thing but I also don't I have no connection to

it except to know like my mother never spoke about it and she never like for the story she kind of put out there was like he just died of heart attack like don't worry about it and and she didn't like him because he was a really bad alcoholic and he had you know he's he had a lot of problems so it was almost just like that's the side of the family you don't talk about as much I know it's not weird I don't know if it's my story to tell but I'll just say that Vince's grandfather he never met who was a police officer who died in the line of duty and so his the grandfather he grew up with was his step-grandfather and it's

just this like they didn't talk about it either yeah I feel like more people than you would know yeah like if you ask people like about the tragedies in their family you'd be shocked how many have humongous ones that they just simply don't discuss because they've grown up with it as a secret or as a thing and nobody will discuss it with them or yeah them wanting to know more about it is they're a they're a bad person for wanting to know more about it they're opening wounds were there yeah like it's it's very it's too sensitive or it's interesting that's interesting um that's a good question yeah yep hope good luck with that everyone

that was it yep that's the Q&A wow that was fun that was funny I mean yeah I like let's just change the podcast for that took questions for us thanks for sending 400 questions oh my god in such a short time we'll do it again sometime and get for sure get other ones and Stephen thank you for going through all of those yes there are a lot of weird ones no I mean yeah these are some great questions that I liked thank you a good job those were really good yeah those were really good thank you we have a quick hometown that I this is a murder I've always I saw this one years ago on like a date line or

some stuff that I couldn't do because it was kind of one of those small ones but then I found out and I met Vince that Vince's one of Vince's best friends Jesse Pop was directly connected to this murder yeah and so Jesse Pop fucking hilarious comedian he just came out with his new album called I'm the best which is so funny if you know Jesse Pop that that's it's just so hilarious it's him in a robo-cop costume that he actually really wore to a Halloween party bar but he's like got a solo cup and he's drunk he's just such a funny person and I watched the live taping of this comedy album and my fucking god he's one of

the best joke writers I've ever heard he's it among the comedy community he's one known as one of the best stand-ups there is yeah so it's an album worth buying yes for sure I'm the best it's on iTunes and all the places you buy stuff and so here is Jesse Pop's hometown wait up let me put it on speaker okay all right this is my hometown murder six seven years ago I was living in New York and I ran out of money so I went back home to Michigan and we got a job at the locals after work trip there I was just kind of like you know right the tractor you know doing shit you can do when you're not a farm and but there

was just one kid there and I talked to him a few times and he kind of and he wasn't he just struck me as a little squirrely nothing too crazy and then I asked a few people about people just like shooting shit I was like so so it's under this kid there I go he's nice and all this and it didn't really stick in my mind and then you know I saved up some money went back to New York and then a year later this kid got arrested for murdering his mom oh that's crazy and then turns out what was going on is she the mom was schizophrenic and bipolar and also very very religious and wasn't taking her medicine because she thought

it was sorcery and she was having so far gone she was like stashing knives in her headboard and but for like tracking devices in her bloodstream and all this and also the dad had started stepping out and there's also like a little before the murder she'd been arrested for strangling this kid because he was trying to get her to take her medicine and then also get a younger sister who the mom was homeschooling still for some reason so there's a lot going on and you know the news they'd be like you know the perfect family which is not what was going on anyway this was a very grizzly scene I guess where there no one broke in

most signs of force and so many things someone took a two by four and basically bashed her head open a bunch of times and then took a knife and stabbed her in the throat a bunch of times oh there's blood and stuff and this kid said that he had been his alibi was that he had been planting bushes for a neighbor lady who's turned out to not to be true and then he punched into work and his hands were all fucked up and he told people is from moving palace which moving palace doesn't really get your hands the way that his work so we got arrested and he got convicted because you know people were spending him and

saying there's no way he did it's gonna be so nice and but he got arrested didn't he's gonna do at least I think 20 or 30 years or something and if you're medicine and don't kill your mom nice that's exactly right Jesse take your medicine and don't kill your mom please the other thing he didn't mention in that the apple orchard was his sister Jesse's sister's apple orchard oh wow yeah and I've been there spices and I had a fucking apple cider donut oh it's Michigan oh my god the best this took me there in Michigan and it was amazing so intense I know did you ever see the like 20 20 or 48 hours about that one it

this story sounds familiar but as I was listening to him tell it I was like is it familiar because he told it to me before because sometimes he'll wear the spices apple orchard t-shirt yeah is it easy and ironic hip story is like no I used to fucking work here wow um that was a great way to end a really fun question wow next may from next mini-sode hometown murder I'll play my uncles oh yeah and gas situation amazing I know I love it um thanks Jesse that Jesse pop by his album I'm the best I'm the best Vince Averill my husband put it out on his record label what's his record label called it's called capsule

records what if I fucking didn't know I was like oh no motion of like think of the t-shirt cut this well that was awesome thank you Stephen for that doing that yeah and thank you guys for sending in those questions it's so much fun stay sexy and don't get murdered by Elvis you're sitting right here do you want a cookie he poked his head into the microphone up like a voiceover actor and meowed into the microphone you're the best good job Bobby bye