My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 83 - The MFM/Unqualified with Anna Faris Crossover Special Pt. 2

Episode Date: August 22, 2017

In part two of the My Favorite Murder/Unqualified crossover special, Anna covers the murder of Rebecca Schaeffer, Georgia covers serial killer Charlie Brandt, and they all give relationship advice to a call-in listener. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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soon. Come to the show. Sunday, September 10th, we'll be in Melbourne at the Comedy Theatre. We added a third show to that. Third freaking show. Tuesday, September 12th, we'll be in Melbourne at the Comedy Theatre. We added a third show to that. Third freaking show. Tuesday, September 12th, Sydney, Australia at the freaking Sydney Opera House. That's the second Sydney show. We really want to sell the Opera House out. How cool would that be? Friday, September 29th, we're going to be at the Fillmore in Detroit, Michigan.

That's the second show that night. Saturday, September 30th, Toronto, Canada. And then we have a couple new tour dates to announce. One day I'm sorry. It's okay. Go. You got it. And then we have a couple new

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Wait, where's... Minneapolis, Michigan. Oh, Minnesota. Even I know that one. Guess I'm going to Minnesota. It's not just... Okay, so we're going to be in Minneapolis on Wednesday. October 18th. Yeah, Saturday, November 11th, Dallas, Texas.

There's a late show. And also Saturday, December 9th, we'll be in Kansas City. We're adding a late show at the Midland Theater. Fuck yeah, Kansas City. Oh, go to MyFavoriteMurder.com slash live. We also made a Facebook event page on our Facebook, MyFavoriteMurder.com slash MFM podcast with links to buy the correct non-scalped tickets. Yes, and then also once you get your tickets,

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and the password for presale is murderino in all lowercase. Bye. Sim, this is when you're supposed to talk. Well, this is is part two i'm excited that we're all back here thank you for showing up again no problem it's a long drive but worth it it's so crazy you're wearing the same i know well i love it though this is my thursday shirt all right so we're gonna start with anna first she's gonna do her favorite murder. After that, we'll go to Georgia. You'll do yours. We have one more advice call and then we're done with the show.

Are we calling this My Favorite Unqualified? My Favorite Unqualified. I love it. Can I... I didn't mean to cut you off, Georgia. There was nothing else to say. I feel that way all the time. I wish you would have just started. Okay, so I have to tell you though i have to

qualify this with um this is actually like a story that i remember very vividly and and kind of has sort of haunted me throughout hollywood and like and the idea of sort of becoming well-known shall we say famous oh my god oh my god i mean i think i might do you maybe i have two ideas of what it could be um it's it's like as all these stories are horribly tragic oh i know it you do i bet i do what no i'm excited no no no it's it's terrifying because you know i live here like whatever like in a weird home. Give them your address. Yeah. And anytime there's a ding dong in the back of my mind, this story comes up a little bit,

which is Rebecca Schaefer. Oh, shit. Is that what you were going to guess? You were? Karen, you were going to guess it? It was either Rebecca Schaefer or Teresa Saldana is the other one.

Yes. I was going to guess Sharon Tate. So I was wrong. Oh. I couldn't go quite there.aldana is the other one. Yes. I was going to guess Sharon Tate. Oh, I couldn't go quite there. I can never do that one. This is one of the most, well, they're all tragic stories, aren't they? It's so sad. Okay, so Rebecca was born November 6, 1967 and raised in Portland, Oregon. And she wanted to grow up being a rabbi.

But when she was 14 years old, her good looks caught the attention of a cattle call, which my good looks never caught the attention of a cattle call. My good looks caught the attention of a temple, of a rabbi. Hey. At a local modeling agency, less than two years later, in 1984, after appearing in a number of Portland-area publications, she went to New York to pursue her modeling career. Her modeling career didn't take off due to being only 5'7", which, oh. Poor thing. Gross. So she decided to focus on acting, quickly appearing in television commercials, 17 Magazine, Woody Allen's film, Radio Days, and One Life to Live.

So she became very successful. She was a stunningly. Who was she in Radio Days? It was cut. Oh, she became very successful. She was a stunningly... Who was she in Radio Days? It was cut... Oh, son of a bitch. That movie's so good. In 1986, at the age of 18, her work caught the attention

of Los Angeles casting directors, and she was cast in the CBS sitcom My Sister Sam, playing the character of Patty. Sam's next-door... Sam's girl next door sister. What the fuck? Who wrote this thing? Yeah.

Okay, anyway, now she's living in LA. Rebecca was on the fast track to stardom. Can I just say that my sister and I loved my sister Sam from the second it came out. We loved her so much. She looks like one of those classic all-american girls curly hair great face beautiful but but also like sweet yeah you could feel her positive because i watched it too and you could feel like her i don't know i hate to say positive energy that

sounds like a very la thing to say but but a warmth she had the sandra bullock feel to her where you're like oh i'm friends with her already yeah um so now we have the stalker the stalker comes into play always a fucking stalker yep robert john bardo so he was a 19 year old tucson resident bardo had repeatedly had a troubled childhood an alcoholic mom and mentally ill father he was abused by one of his siblings and placed in foster care after he threatened to commit suicide. He was diagnosed with manic depression and at one time institutionalized

for a month for emotional problems. Don't put your fucking kid in foster care if he wants to kill himself. No kidding. So beyond that timeline, beyond that, it says here on my info sheet beyond that tim time beyond that tim time he received professional help

um but okay back to my sweet rebecca um at 16, before stalking Rebecca, he stalked a child peace activist, which I always thought was an interesting detail. Is that her choice? How do you find the child peace activist? But anyway, this wonderful woman named Samantha Smith, who tragically died in a 1985 plane crash, which weirdly was a year of a lot of plane crashes. 85?

Yeah, 1985. Is that John Denver? I don't know. I don't know. Probably. Don't ask me too many questions. I've just got to read the Tim time sheet, okay? Karen usually knows these weird obscure facts.

I was scraping my brain. Was that the one where the rugby team ate each other? Yes. That's the one. That counts for three, that one. Anyway, so this fellow, Bardo, he was lonely, and he spent a lot of time watching television, believe it or not. He discovered Rebecca's sitcom, My Sister Sam,

and he became pretty smitten. He saw her as beautiful beauty he saw her as beautiful and wholesome wholesome oh god can i even say that again wholesome that's like how you describe oatmeal but uh but but innocent i think is is sort of the major point that we will get to later um and he collected her magazine covers and talked about her as if they were friends i don't know who you talked about her as if they were friends. I don't know who you talked to her about because I don't think he had a lot of friends. Maybe he just.

The gross fake store clerk. Yeah, he's like. Whoever he bought the magazine from. So over the course of three years, he wrote, you know, a ton of letters to Rebecca. And one letter was answered by an employee of Schaefer's, Rebecca Schaefer's fan club. And he was encouraged by that. by an employee of Schaefer's, Rebecca Schaefer's fan club. And he was encouraged by that.

He came to Los Angeles hoping to meet her on the set of her sitcom, My Sister Sam, but he was turned away by Warner Brothers security. He was pissed. He returned a month later armed with a knife, but security guards once again prevented him from gaining access to the actress. I don't know why. You can't get onto that Warner Brothers lot. I don't know why. Yeah.

You can't get onto that Warner Brothers lot. You can't. Not the first time. The second time, they're like, come on in. I would love it if somebody was like, I got a knife. I got a seer. Oh, well, then you should have said that the last time you were here. Sir. Okay.

So he later said that he brought the knife because he thought Rebecca was becoming too arrogant. The security weirdly thought that he was the knife because he thought Rebecca was becoming too arrogant. The security weirdly thought that he was just harmless and lovesick. And he was never reported to the police. So, once again, very upset, he returned to Tucson and lost focus

on Schaefer for just a little while. His obsession shifted towards pop singers Debbie Gibson and Tiffany. Oh, I i mean mine did too but i was a fucking psychopath i mean 85 which ones did we have right they were on their mall tours yeah so during this period he was arrested three times on charges including domestic violence and disorderly conduct okay now we're getting to the actual tragic event. And I hope our listeners know and everybody knows that this, I'm simply like the scary movie one, two, three, four actress,

not five, too old. Wait, explain it to me. I did not understand that. She's been in all the scary movies. Been in all the scary movies. So I don't have a, I don't, but fame is an odd thing. And I don't think that, I hope nobody comes over and does a ding dong. We could talk about this for a half an hour.

Right. But I do, yes, but the obsession with fame is something that at times has freaked me out just a little bit. Not too much, because, you know, I'm simply that other one. Not like a beautiful 21-year-old who stars on a massive, well. Honey, it's okay. You're not going to seem arrogant. Oh, thank you. If you are scared of psychopaths.

Okay. thank you are scared of psychopaths um so on june 3rd 1989 um our murderer turned his attention back to rebecca after watching her in the black comedy class struggle in beverly hills have you seen that yes it's but is that the name of it it's not not Class Struggle on Beverly Hills. Is it... True Beverly Hills. It's right. Class Struggle on Beverly Hills. Oh, do you guys want to fight? Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. That'd be amazing.

I'm thinking of the one with Nick Nolte. Right, no, this was like a... I'm sure it was like a B-movie. No, no, no. So she had a scene in bed with a man. In the movie. Yeah, and bardo went into a jealous rage and decided that she should be punished for becoming another hollywood whore like an arrogant piece of shit i know he believed that she had lost her innocence so he paid a detective agency

250 to find schaefer's home address in california records. And Bardo's brother helped him get a handgun because he was only 19. I guess maybe in Tucson you can't get a gun. I'm sure the laws have changed. You can get a gun now when you're nine. You actually get one automatically when you're eight years old. An automatic automatically. Okay, so on July 18th, 1989,

he traveled to Los Angeles a third time third time i bet do you think he drove or do you think he took a bus right i remember watching a bus and i remember watching like a reenactment thing and he's like off a bus like a greyhound like i bet he smells wonderful um okay so he went to her apartment which is in the Fairfax district Around 6.30am Oh no Can you imagine So we rang the doorbell The intercom was not working that day

That fucking manager Manager and detective need to go on an island And stay there So Schaefer was She was up preparing for an audition for the role In Godfather Part 3 uh she was up preparing for an audition for the role in godfather part three oh she was up so early so she answered the door bardo showed schaefer a letter an autograph that she had previously sent him probably through the agency that like sends that stuff out

rebecca thanked him and said she was busy and had to go so then bardo went to a local diner and had to go. So then, Bardo went to a local diner and had breakfast and he was very disappointed. An hour later, 10.15 a.m., he returned to Schaefer's apartment for the second time. Schaefer answered the door again. This is a weird detail.

I know, it's weird. Wearing a black bathrobe, which maybe, she looked, of course she looked incredibly hot, and maybe that agitated him even more. She was about to get dressed for her audition. He pulled a gun from a brown paper bag and shot her in the chest at point-blank range in the doorway of her apartment building.

And Schaefer apparently began screaming, why, why? She collapsed in her doorway as Bardo fled. A neighbor phoned paramedics who arrived to transfer to cedar sinai medical center and she was pronounced dead 30 minutes after her arrival and she was 21 when she died and um so anyway he was arrested a day later in tucson arizona um after motorists reported a man running through traffic on the 10 and he immediately confessed to the murder so in 1991 he was brought to trial and prosecuted by marcia clark that's so weird yeah and during the trial bardo claimed that the u2 song exit was an influence

in the murder the song played uh in the courtroom as evidence which one is that someone sing it to me. I don't know that one. Every breath. No. I swear to God, I feel like you two would know so much trivia. I'm sorry. No, I don't.

Yeah. Oh, boy. This is a hard one for me to talk about a little bit. Well, they're all hard, aren't they? They're all awful. So Bardo's attorneys argued that he was mentally ill, that schizophrenia had led him to commit the murder. So, he was convicted of capital murder and he was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. But here's the good, sort of good news after all of this, is that the Driver's Privacy Protection Act was enacted in 1994,

which prevents the DMV from releasing private addresses. So there are now anti-stalking laws in every state. And in 1989, in the wake of the murder, LA police created the nation's first team specializing in stalking investigations. Also, California was the first state to criminalize stalking in the United States in 1990, following her murder and a string of other high profile assaults. But also that that also came on the heels of Teresa Saldana. So that is something that I just resonates with me just because of the obsession, I guess, with fame and how scary sometimes it can be when people feel very familiar with you. Yeah. Yeah. They know you. So it's not weird to

them that they're coming to talk to you and they don't ever flip it and see that it's like something out of the blue. Also, it just kills me because that idea of like, you move to LA, you get a job, you get like a good apartment and you're in that mode. I'm sure she didn't think I'm famous because she was like, it was like, you know, she's on that show.

Maybe she's in one, she's in one movie or whatever. But I feel like in LA you get people talk to you a lot less. Like they know that, you know, and I think that people maybe think that, um, like, like I imagine now,

like at the time she probably was making a nice chunk of change, but probably not enough. She was still living in an unsecured apartment. Right. Because why wouldn't she necessarily be? And I just want you two to know that I have a fucking ton of cameras around here. Do you? That's fucking right. So if either of you try to know that i have a fucking ton of cameras around here that's fucking right

so either of you try to take me out i've already spray painted over half of them i'm gonna finish well listen like i i want to reiterate i'm 40 uh you know that's it that's all i got it's not the sexiest of murders if somebody comes i'll just say to make you feel better it took me fucking forever to find this house so i think you're okay even if they could break into it yeah give them the address and be like i bet you can't find it go ahead challenge it is i mean it's a super sad. Sometimes those are the only highlights of when we tell our stories is stuff like that, where, you know, it's such a tragedy that that Rebecca Schaefer had to die. But then they finally were like, oh, that's right. You shouldn't be able to know anyone's address and you shouldn't be able to walk up to anybody's house. And you shouldn't if you tell eight people that you're obsessed with somebody that should count

against you you know stalking is a very serious thing that's not that wasn't and it's probably still not taken seriously by a lot of law enforcement officials well it is now right is the point yeah yeah yeah like you were saying that it hasn't been taken seriously because there's so much ego involved like there's a dismissal of that especially as a woman um having said that if anyone out there would like to stalk me um no no please submit your application no no let us know cancel your history of violence edit that out edit that out wow that's i'm so sorry, Dom. That was a rough one. I know. I know.

So sad. But like you were saying, Karen, that thankfully it's changed some things. Well, and also the Teresa Saldana story is so insane. I saw that as a kid on TV. Is she the sister from Poltergeist? That's Dominic Dunn's daughter, Dominique. No, it was the woman who was the wife in raging bull so she was just starting her acting career and getting kind of amazing parts and she also had a stalker

and she and he did the exact same thing he walked up to her apartment door and stabbed her and actually the culligan man was walking up delivering water to somebody else's apartment and he got i think he saved her he either pulled the guy off of her or like got her like he the culligan man saved her life and she you know went on to advocate for all those laws too that's like the end of so many of our stories are like you know the the victim's family then went on to do great things amazing thing that's like the only way i feel like you can personally survive these horrific things happening is if you try to make it worth like make their make their their the tragedy worth like hopefully prevention of right like we did that we've done the uh amber law amber alert girl we amber um and we did that. We've done the Amber Law, Amber Alert Girl. We Amber.

And we did Megan's Law. You know, that's why I keep the guillotine outside the house. Warning. Just as a kind of like a simple. Yeah. Warning. Yeah. Come fuck with me.

I'll fuck with you. Dicks. Here's what I'm like. That ex guy standing there like, I just have some packages for you you fucking with me? oh you're bringing me my clothes? yeah alright

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BBC World Service. Available now on Spotify. Georgie, what do you have for us? Well, I have a serial killer I'd never ever heard of in one of those. Like, there's this BuzzFeed or some website that i've found that like like the the craziest murderer in every state and this guy was florida so you know he's

fucking top notch you know what i mean i love it that we have like like washington crazy serial killers and then like it's a yeah i love it and we're doing three shows in florida and florida was like when are you gonna come to to do a live show here and we're like oh you have the best murders we're coming there for three shows like no other state that we're doing three shows in um all right september 15th 2004 um so friends of michelle jones she's a pretty vivacious 37 year old executive at the golf channel in orlando were worried because they couldn't reach her which is like the beginning of Jones, she's a pretty vivacious 37-year-old executive at the Golf Channel in Orlando, were worried because they couldn't reach her, which is like the beginning of every murder story, right? Michelle's aunt and uncle, Charlie Brandt and Terry Helfrich, were staying with her for a

few days because they had been evacuated from their home. In a seafront villa near key west there was a hurricane ivan was coming and they had to get the fuck out of there michelle uh is like the niece and they're very sexy name for a hurricane sorry ivan ivan did you hear the thing about how uh hurricanes named named after women kill more people oh no because they don't take them seriously people don't take them seriously when they're named after women anyway um she's close with her aunt and uncle. She invited him to stay with them. So Michelle's mother, who was Terry, the aunt's sister, called one of Michelle's friends and was like,

can you go check on her? So the friend finds their mail overflowing, newspapers from days earlier on the lawn. No one's answering the door when she knocks the doors lock she walks around to the garage sees lights on through the windows there's cars parked in the driveway so she calls the cops they arrive they enter the home and quickly run back out and vomit in the yard horrified by what they had found inside. So, inside, reclining on the couch is the body of Michelle's aunt, Charlie's wife, Aunt Terry. She's been stabbed seven times in the chest, and then her clothes

had been removed, but she hadn't been sexually assaulted. In the bedroom is Michelle's body. She'd been stabbed only once, but then she had been disemboweled. Her heart and organs had been removed. And she had also been decapitated. And her head was sitting next to her body. I can't believe you didn't lead with that part. There's a lot. She's walking us through the house. We're going room by room.

We're going room by room. Karen was like, should we warn people about the murders first? And I was like, don't worry. Mine's way fucking worse. So we should warn this um so her head's next to her body the weapons that have been used in the crime were the knives from her own kitchen then in the garage uncle charlie we find in a state of decomposition because of the heat uncle charlie's body is hanging from his neck by a sheet from the rafters.

He's dead. And then the investigators determined that it was a suicide. So there's no suicide note. And there's no way of knowing exactly what happened. But because of the lack of a break-in or any other explanation, they concluded that Charlie was the murderer and it had been a murder-suicide. So Uncle Charlie, I'm going to call him that because it's easier to remember him he's described by all as a mild-mannered loving husband all-around good guy aren't they all aren't they always called that um but he was known as being a bit of an oddball and eccentric but by all accounts

including aunt terry's best friend charlie loved her very deeply and the couple was inseparable no one ever detected any problems or saw a fight in the relationship or anyone's temper in fact here's something annoying they would make each other's lunches every morning because they said that lunch made by food made by someone you love tastes better than when you make it yourself which can you imagine that couple and you're like can you guys shut the fuck up and just like eat your lunch? It sounds like, like a great way to make someone like make your food for you.

Yeah, exactly. Right. I want a peanut butter and jelly, but I love the way it tastes. You do it all the chores. When you unfreeze my chicken nuggets. When the investigators began to look into the murder-suicide,

Uncle Charlie's older sister, Angela, is like, hold up, I gotta tell you guys something. This has been a secret, a family secret for 30 years. Here we go. Yep. 1971, Uncle Charlie is just 13. His father had recently killed his dog during a hunting trip with Charlie.

The dad says he did it on accident, but he had shot the dog twice. And also, Uncle Charlie has some difficulty with school assignments, struggling to maintain his grades, but he was reportedly a really bright kid. So, on the evening of January 3rd, 1971, while his dad, so his dad's in the bathroom shaving, his mother, who's eight months pregnant, is soaking in the bathtub. Charlie gets up from his homework randomly, grabs a nine millimeter handgun from his father's nightstand, goes into the bathroom and shoots his father in the back. Then he walks to his mother, who's in the bathtub. She says, no, Charlie,lie no but he fires at her until there's no more bullets left this is really fucked up i should have started with that i'm sorry

that this is it that's it i'm just after everything else is more or less fucked up than most of your murders that you do on your shows. It's exactly the same. Yeah, it's pretty right on. Yeah. Next, he goes to his 15-year-old sister Angela's room. Angela's the one telling the cops about this case. He goes to her room, points the gun at her, and tries to fire. He didn't even know that the gun was empty, and she said that he looked like he was in a trance, so he might not even have been aware

that this was going on, and his gun was empty. They start to wrestle. Angela tries to talk Charlie down. She tells him that she loves him and will run away with him. But as soon as she gets a chance, she runs to a neighbor's house screaming for help. Charlie's mom dies, but his father survives. And from the hospital bed says he has no idea why his son would ever commit such an act. When Charlie's evaluated by psychologists they

see no signs of a diagnosable mental illness they can't pinpoint a motive for the shooting at all by all accounts he's like i loved my family i have no idea why i did this so they they said they weren't we're gonna prosecute they weren't gonna prosecute him because of that and his age um because he's not responsible for his actions but instead they send him to a psychiatric clinic. His father visits him very often. And after a year, his dad is able to have him released to his custody and the whole family moves to Florida to get away from the town scrutiny.

And the murder of his mother is not spoken of again, to the point where his two younger sisters who were super young when the mom was murdered didn't even know about it. They thought their mom had died in a car accident until the murder-suicide when Angela told the cops they didn't know a thing. Charlie gets excellent grades in school. He becomes a radar technician engineer. He finds the note from the BTK killer in the library. That's right. That was his favorite book.

Referencing the old episode. Oh, shit. I forgot that. It's a week later. Angela, his sister, marries a dude named Jim, finds out about the brother, Charlie, murdering their mom, still becomes good friends with him. Charlie murdering their mom, still becomes good friends with him. So once Jim, his brother-in-law and Angela are getting a divorce, on the topic of revenge, Uncle Charlie says, well, you know, the perfect revenge is you kill someone

and you cut their heart out and then you eat it. That's the perfect revenge. Whoa. Okay. But Jim, despite that, sets Unclelie up with a friend of his new girlfriend this friend is aunt terry after six months they get married can you imagine setting your fucking friend up with someone who said that no no that's the correct answer um no um absolutely not um let's see then there we don don't know if Terry knew or not about the murder of the mother.

Um, and okay, so let's go back to 2004 post murder suicide. The police find out about the fucked up stuff from Charlie's past. They begin to take a closer look at the murders of his wife and niece. So can I really quick ask a question? Always. I just don't understand. As a kid, he kills his own mother tries to kill his father and his sister and his sister but the sister lives yeah so then he just goes to

a psychiatric hospital for a little while and then they're just like business as usual yeah less than business as usual like hiding stuff and dad is like, the way that this is speculation that could get me sued. Can I do this? Of course. If I preemptively, we have a lawyer in the room. He must've been, some shit must've been going on in that household that his dad was like, nope, I want my kid out of there. Everything's fine. You know what I mean? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, molestation. Wait wait will you spell it out for me again she said the actual word i think that's wink this the word was wink uh he winked at his son a lot he nudged his kid a little too much too much winking and nudging i don't know man it just

seems a little too so you think the dog thing was almost just like the straw that broke the camel's back but really he was being molested yeah and that's why the father wouldn't turn him in because that all would come out. Yeah. And then we have that thing about like, if someone's molesting, if a, you know,

like killing the mother as well is always like a really weird thing. Because if you have an issue with your dad, why would you, you know, the mother would never step in, that kind of thing. Speculation,

your honor. Do you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Okay. Please approach the bench. All right. Okay, so they begin to take a closer look. They note that the amputations inflicted on Michelle, Denise,

were not amateur, but were accomplished with skill and experience. They search the couple's house. The couple's house is still boarded up from the hurricane. And they find a bunch of fucked up stuff. They find the bedroom door. So bedroom doors open. I never close my bedroom door. When they open it, on the back of the bedroom door is a really creepy illustration poster

of the female muscular and skeletal system. And she was like a bun on her head. And it's like a cartoon drawing. It's like so creepy. It's not just a skeleton. It's like a female skeleton with a face and muscles. So it's like one of those weird, you know,

that anatomy. Yeah. Oh, when you like a pop-up book kind of thing. Well, no, I was thinking of, there was actually an art installation of a guy that was like,

remember the thing. And I was just like like that person is a serial killer that made this who would want to go and like show what people look like with no skin like embalming someone right and then putting it up as art but really just skinning them anyway you're i got nauseous at that art installation quote unquote and had to leave. It was so disturbing. Oh, that one of like the human body. Yeah. Bodies. Yeah. I saw it in New York and I don't have too many regrets in life.

I mean, I should. I should have more. But that one is one of my regrets. Yeah. Considering how much I can read and watch and look at, I look at crime scene photos and shit like that was really fucking they still had like hair well and there was all this like these ethical issues of how the bodies were right who were they yeah yeah and apparently they're whatever i would do it it's so when he would go to it like we don't need to know that well apparently charlie did um so and also despite not uh being in the medical profession of course there were books

on human anatomy in a bookshelf and um one of them contained a newspaper clipping of a labeled illustration of the human heart he also subscribed here's what's fucking creepy to victoria's secret magazine and it was like her catalog it was like in his name it was to his wife and his nickname for his niece michelle who he killed was victoria's secret he called her which is like don't it's not a nickname it says it's not shorter yeah it's not her name yeah no it's not even close um they checked out his computer there was a bunch of erotic websites uh related to sacrifice violence necrophilia containing photos of torture rape and violent deaths um depicting female autopsies they're all staged don't worry uh living models

made to look dead and they came to the conclusion that charlie was obsessed with his niece michelle had a premeditate and had premeditated the murders and that he was also obsessed with human anatomy especially the female humanity due to what they found in his house as well as the observation that the murder of his wife wife and niece seemed to be the work of a skilled and practiced killer police began to look into previously unsolved cold cases in the area and also in the areas where he would travel for work which he did a lot because i guess would travel for work, which he did a lot, because I guess engineers travel for work a lot. Train engineers? Come on.

Toot toot? What's the, you know? They sent out a description of the M.O. disemboweled, decapitated, clean cut, surgical precision, and they quickly got a ton of hits from other police stations. So his ties to an additional murder were uncovered by not investigators but by the uh producers of the show 48 hours which is like fuck yeah there's a really good episode of this on 48 hours they

passed along the information to the authorities so So in July 1989, off Big Pine Key, Florida, two fishermen found the body of Sherry Parisho. She was 38. She lived in a small boat and had been seen riding her bike earlier that day. She'd been in the water dead no longer than 12 hours. And the site her body was found at was a thousand feet away from charlie brant's big pine key house a thousand feet away her head had been severed and her heart had been removed and charlie resembled the sketch of a man seen crossing the u.s one near the uh nearby on the night of the murder and jim the fucking dude who set them up who had uh who had set them up said terry told him that charlie came home that night wet and covered with blood around

the time sherry was killed and she was like what the fuck and he was like i was fishing and i killed some fish and then in november 1995 along the miami-Dade County Highway that Charlie would have had to use to get in and out of the Keys, the mutilated body of Darlene Toller, she was 35, she was discovered in a plastic bag and her head and heart were missing as well. So since then, 26 murders going back as far as 1973, which is when his dad checked him out of the insane asylum and took him to florida so that means he was 15 years old um they have had possible links to charlie but six murders have been positively identified and ascribed to charlie so charlie brant the fucking serial killer that i had never heard of a possibility of 26 murders

going back from when he was 15 years old two years after he killed his fucking pregnant mother that's it the head and the heart huh

the head and the heart fuck damn I wonder if they named that band after it yeah I know

the head and the heart and the hunter oh no there's an actual yeah well I've never heard of that guy oh right yeah that's crazy yeah oh and he was like he looks so much like my cousin it creeps me out like my cousin

could play him in a movie i also feel like that lesson of like if somebody just shoot gets up as a 13 year old and shoots a bunch of people in their family you can pretty much assume that's not going to end there no and i think the psychiatrist psychologists were like this is going to happen again but his dad was like nope taking him into custody wow yeah it's crazy man and how could there not be one little thing that the psychologists found that were like well here's like everything's fine nope he just killed his parents once but everything else is fine that's impossible i do yeah it does feel like i think maybe now i like to think that there's like people are much more aware of warning signs but it's disturbing that even as recently as back in the 90s like the warning signs are like, well, well, you know, people get better,

I suppose. Let's have a positive attitude about this guy. Once he has his own apartment, he'll be fine. Great. Yeah. Yeah.

Crazy. Well, thank you for your latest favorite murder. There's no real way to transition

to a call from this. No. Believe me. Our shows are so different. Should we talk about our signs? Yeah. Our signs are so different.

I'm a Taurus. My sign is stop. I'm a Gemini. George, what are you? I'm a Gemini. Okay. I'm a Sag. Oh, my God.

I have no idea what the fuck Sag is. Nor do I want to. I don't either. I have no idea. You know I'm a Gemini. Are you? Oh, we're so much fun. Because we're fucking badhell, yeah. I saw, I actually

saw a thing and it had a list of, uh, like the most well-known serial killers and most of them are Geminis. Yeah. Thank you. It's Gemini or Virgo. Virgo? Yeah. Amazing. Gemini men are specifically, or particularly crazy. Gemini girls are just fun

drunks. No. I love you. Alright, well. When someone says that to you, it's because you're crazy. I mean. Are we ready to call Leah? Yeah, let's call Leah. She's in Ohio, and she's 28.

Aren't we all? Did you say aren't we all? Mm-hmm. Hello? Hey, Leah.'t we all? Hello? Hey, Leah. How are you? It's Sim. Oh, hi, Sim. How are you? I'm going to introduce you to Anna right now. Hi, Leah.

Hi, Anna. Thank you so much for being with us here tonight. So, Anna, can you introduce our special guests? We have Karen and Georgia from My Favorite Murder, which is an awesome fucking podcast. Hi.

Hi. It is. Hi. Hi, Leah. Leah, you wrote us, you wrote us asking if it's okay to hook up with your cheating friend's

ex-husband. Tell us your story. I mean, your story's kind of, yeah, this is interesting. This is fun. Start from the beginning. Okay, so two years ago, I was training a new girl at the place where I worked then, and her name was Janie, and she had just moved to Ohio.

And she had moved to be with her fiancé, and we found out that her fiancé was actually one of my old friends from high school. So Jamie and I, we became really close. I mean, we were doing everything together immediately. We just got along so well. And so we became friends, and it was really fun. It was so fun to hang out with her and her fiancé because, you know, we had a past history, too. So Jamie and Dustin, her fiancé, they started to have some problems,

and I was the first person to give them advice about them. We kind of lost touch, Jamie and I did, when I started a new job that was kind of farther away. But I would stop in every once in a while to my old job and just see her and see how she was doing. So one day I stopped in, and she told me that her and Dustin were getting a divorce. And I told her, you know, whatever I can do to help. So the next time that I stopped in, she was there, and she looked kind of nervous. And I found out why soon enough. It was because her new boyfriend was there and she looked kind of nervous um and I found out why soon enough it was because her

new boyfriend was there and it was a boyfriend that she met while she and Dustin were married so they were together um and I found out she had told me then that she had cheated on Dustin uh she had cheated with him with with two different guys and starting three months into their marriage. They got divorced about a year later. So Dustin had gotten a hold of me because I was kind of, I was going through some stuff and he was going through some stuff and we caught up. And we ended up starting to hook up. And I've been so torn about it because I want to be a good friend. And I guess I've never been in a situation like this before.

So it's all kind of weird. Eventually, I thought, you know, I have to at least ask her if we can be friends. And so I did. And she actually, she hasn't talked to me since. She was so mad at me for even asking. Sorry, if you could be friends with Dustin? If you could be friends with Dustin, exactly, right. Yeah, if it was okay for Dustin and I to be friends, yes.

Yeah, to hang out. She got really mad, yeah, and we haven't talked since. So I guess that's kind of where I'm at, is number one, I don't know, is it okay for Dustin and I to be hooking up? It's the best sex that I've ever had in my life. It's so nice to me. I mean, like, selfishly, that's... Yeah, I can't...

Yeah. So, there's that. And it's also, it's something that I would never, ever do. I would never hook up with a friend's ex in different circumstances, ever. I think we all... And then number two, you know, should I tell her, I guess.

We've got some answers yeah we have them already you're such a sweetheart you're not a bad person no and you know what a dude would never be asking these questions no fucking way and women we beat ourselves up so fucking much look here's the thing she cheated on him uh not it didn't even matter what she did because you already had a relationship with him. You already knew him before. So she was actually the new friend and then she got rid of him. So that's like you, it doesn't matter what happens after that because if that relationship ends, you get to do whatever you want.

And her being mad at you after she cheated on him and then has someone else in her life to even want to be friends with him that is insane i think you're going by her rules totally and you're kind of like taking her framework of the situation then going is this okay because she said it isn't it's abso-fucking-lutely okay and it doesn't sound like someone that i would really want to be friends with anyways so you checking you checking in with her and it's generous it's so sweet and generous but not necessary yeah you don't you don't owe her anything and you know you guys are you're not going to get married maybe but you're getting your fucking sexual healing and like it has nothing to do with her in any way and cheating on someone's three months into a wedding

you know that's probably not the for a marriage it's not the first time she did that probably it wasn't it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what she does it doesn't matter it's so true because it sounds like you know you might not value her friendship as much as you do like other friendships or relationships and life is fucking short. And I don't, I don't think you owe her anything. I mean, in this situation, it's, I think it's interesting. The, the idea that, uh, she, they broke up. I mean, that was over, right? So it's not, she wasn't, she didn't get, this girl didn't get cheated on by the guy

that you're hooking up with. So the idea that she's mad at you when she is absolutely not the victim in this situation, she, she went and did exactly what she wanted. So why don't you get to, cause you should get to, and if you want to get together with that guy, you should get to, get to know your fucking body with a man that you did. He's nice to you. And I think I have been so far. Yeah. I was like, I think that you wouldn't have called and asked this if you didn't know somewhere in your mind that something was really off about this. And I did.

Yeah, I felt like it was. But I was surprised that the few people that I kind of ran it by, I got really mixed answers. And I think that's what made me so confused about it. People are answering based on their own history, not on the situation. Yeah. That's what everybody does. Yeah. If any of my girlfriends who I cared about and loved wanted to hook up with my exes who are good people, I would be so happy for them. Me too. Yeah, exactly. I would too. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the adult reaction. Right. Yeah. So she might be having more of a high school weirdo reaction.

It's like when you get an awesome pair of boots and your friend is like, I really like this boots. Would it, would it be okay if I also bought those? And some people would be like, no, he's a mind. And other people are like, fuck yeah. I'm so glad you like these boots. They're so comfortable. Your feet are going to feel amazing. Yeah, and you celebrate the idea that like, oh, well.

But it's also the thing, I think it's also the thing of, it's weird to think that you can make friends with, say, a narcissist. It's weird to think that you could have a good time and have a good relationship with a person who's actually deep down incredibly selfish or incredibly self-serving. So I think you have, you're having doubts because the two of you hit it off and had a good time, but maybe a lot of the reason you had such a good time with her is because

the boyfriend was there who you really liked and maybe have liked for a long time. He evened it out. The fact that she fucking kind of sucked. Yeah, we had a lot of fun all together and I didn't, I mean, and maybe have liked for a long time. He evened it out, the fact that she fucking kind of sucked. That's hilarious. We did, yeah. We had a lot of fun all together. And I didn't, I mean, she and I got really close in a different way.

But yeah, I never even thought about that before. You're not a bad person. No. Just like, you know, we've been telling you, but we have been talking about bad people. But you are not one of them. You're nowhere near it. Thank you. And the fact even you even question if you're a bad person or not based on this i think proves to us that you're not you're a wonderful person yeah and no yeah yeah like

enjoy yourself i don't know life is short yeah i don't think you have to like i would like encourage you to distance yourself. You already have already from the friend, the gal. But also, I don't know how much social media has to play in all of this. But I would also encourage easing up on any of that. Because that always gets anybody into trouble. But I would just like, yeah, have have i don't know i don't know you're in your 20s yep get your nut get yours yeah well i leah i think this is pretty obvious here at this point are you okay with this just yeah i i am i mean thank you yeah i do i feel a

lot better yeah hey leah thank you we Thank you Thank you so much I love you too Bye Bye Leah Get laid We love you Did you say get laid Yeah Bye

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