My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 85 - Live at the Boulder Theater

Episode Date: September 7, 2017

This week’s My Favorite Murder comes to you live from the Boulder Theater. On stage, Karen and Georgia cover the killer John Agrue and Theodore Edward Coneys, the Spiderman of Denver. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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authentication and transaction encryption. Interac, we geek out on your business. Learn how at interac.ca slash for business. Terms and conditions apply. What's up, Boulder? What's up, Boulder? I was like, see, they don't like it when I do it. That's so embarrassing that we didn't turn our own fucking mics on. I mean, we've never had to. I mean.

So. Boulder! Yeah, we said it. We it ever since uh the one time i walked out here and like what's up and pointed at the at the upper and there was nobody there i'd now go hey just to make there was no well here's oh they're here oh yeah oh they're back in here. Yeah. And they're here for revenge. I actually told Georgia earlier, I was like, so just be aware. It's like a, it's a much smaller room. So just know if they're quiet, doesn't mean we're doing bad.

It's just smaller. And we step out and I, you may have popped my eardrum. I'm not sure. Now we step out and you may have popped my eardrum. I'm not sure. Now we can. The show won't go on if our eardrums are popped. Or it would be really funny. Or it would be loud and quiet at the same time. Last night we were at Denver and you guys are cooler.

Pandering. Pandering. Pandering. Hey, this is my favorite murder of the podcast. That's Karen Kilgariff. I'm Georgia Hartster. Who didn't know who was who? I didn't. I'm happy to learn. You are so high on altitude sickness right now, aren't you?

Oh, my God. I fucking hit that oxygen tank backstage so hard. And thank you to the Boulder Theater for coming up and like, I heard someone needed oxygen. Come on down. I was like, oh, my God. They actually said, we heard someone was lightheaded. Do they need oxygen?

And she's like, yeah, I'll have some oxygen. Oh, my God. Because I woke up from a nap, which I she's like, yeah, I'll have some oxygen. Oh my God. Because I woke up from a nap, which I'm usually like, nap, hey. And then I was just like, I don't know what I'm, we're going to turn into, it's going to be a blue velvet situation in like a month or just like, could we have our oxygen tanks on stage

with us, please? Yeah. I know we're below sea level. It doesn't matter. We do what we want. We've been blaming everything that's happened on the, what's it called? Altitude. Altitude.

It's fine. We're fine. Since we've been here. Some real funny shit that is not because of altitude. My shoes hurt. Altitude. Your shoes hurt. There's been, everyone's gotten really comfortable with the farting situation.

Uh-huh. Which is just... Belching. I mean, we used to be so modest. And it's just like, air has to come out of me. And we can't pretend anymore. But I got to say, it's a little bummed. Because sometimes I fart in a funny way.

To be like, hey! And punctuate it. And I did it. And nobody laughed. So I was like, did I offend them? Sorry, wait a second. You intro your your fart like a hey and then a fart no I say a dumb joke and then I'm like punk like you know just like to be like you physically punctuate the joke only if I have to fart you do like I was doing on purpose You do like an unspoken pull my finger sometimes? How come I don't fucking know this?

I don't know. Maybe you don't. I've done it many times in front of you and Steven. Steven! Steven! Oh, Karen. Steven is at home right now. I figured you guys would know.

We don't, we leave him at home. He's not that great. It's mostly the hair. You guys don't fall for it. We don't tell him he's coming and he's like waiting outside with a suitcase and then we just don't pick him up. It's not like that. Maybe next time, Stephen.

Oops, we forgot. It's like home alone. Except he's crying the whole time. Not dead in the heart with Macaulay Culkin. He's just like, I don't care. Home Alone with a mustache and cats. Which would be a better film. And you know it.

He has a pet cube, which basically means you can spy on who's ever taken care of your cat. And it was like a laser thing. He's on it. He set up basically a hidden camera in my house to watch the cats. Against himself? He nanny cammed himself? Wow. I think he can put it online

so maybe you can watch cats sleep at some point. Is this a new business of yours where you're like, and for $9.95, you too can watch Stephen and my cat sit. One cent goes to the ASPCA.

One cent of every, just one cent total. Just one cent will go to every We had a vet come to the meet and greet yesterday. It was so lovely. And she gave us a ton of pet, like, cool pet toys, which was so nice.

Yeah. Like, you don't have to jam into your suitcase. They're the size of dogs. I like that you're just bragging about presents now. You're like, hey, so, we have some pretty big vet presents right now. So, right now, I would. Well, if it's bragging time, then I would like to brag about my Bigfoot necklace. So it's funny on different levels.

Yeah. Go ahead and tell three of them. One is that it's Bigfoot. So you're like, I spotted a Bigfoot you know somebody that were going to say that it's also funny because it's fucking awesome and it's also funny because when you saw it we both

bent down and hit heads I forgot about that part oh fuck I was like when I do things like that where it's like I kind of hate everything so when I see something I love I'm'm so overcome with like, how could this actually be happening? I go blind to everything that's around me. So I was just like, a Bigfoot necklace?

Like, really led with my skull. Poor George is like, oh, look, a tiny little. And then I headbutted it. And it had glasses on, so they kind of like stabbed me in the top. But then it was like, it's a great necklace. It was worth then it was, like, worth it. It's a great necklace. It was worth it. I think it was worth it. Yeah. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. And then, so it was at

Buffalo Exchange, because this, like, lovely girl said, you guys should go to Buffalo Exchange. Yeah. Everyone loves Buffalo Exchange. I know. Um, I think they work there. And so we went, and we're walking in the front door, and this girl who's standing there looking like she works there uh yells at us shut the front door so i'm like because

it was like there's five of us all together and i was second in so i was like whoops okay and i just caught outside walking and we're kind of like we're already in trouble in buffalo exchange we just got men as i'm walking by i see she has a giant SSDGM necklace on. And I was like, no, she didn't mean it like that. Come back. It was as if she had placed herself in the doorway of the first place we went in Denver. To just like, shut the front door. It's very bizarre.

I think she did it. I think she's been stalking us because she was like, here, I have a present that I just bought you. Like, she had bought me,

I think she knew we were coming. I wouldn't accuse that on stage. I wouldn't, I wouldn't float that theory. She was lovely and talented. How would she know where we were?

Because she told us go to Buffalo Exchange. Yeah, but then what, she got, she went there opening and was like, you know what,

10 a.m. I'll just stand here in the doorway. It worked. With my necklace on. You're right, it did work. So, I'm just saying. Anything is possible. Yeah. Thanks, that's my new song. Anything is possible.

If you're wearing a Bigfoot necklace. That's in parentheses after that part. If you're wearing a Bigfoot necklace, that's in parentheses after that part. And you expect the worst in people, like they're yelling at you to shut the front door. Shut the front door, I just take as a direction. They yell at you. It's like there's all the air conditioning in here. Shut

the fucking door. You're letting the air conditioning out. Okay. We were going to talk about our prayer from last night. We like to do a our prayer from last night. We like to do a little prayer before we walk out on stage. But before you applaud us, Christians, it's not... It's an abomination. It's not.

Look, we just try to access a being that we think might help us do this correctly for all of you who have waited so long and care so much and send us pictures of yourselves standing around all day and night waiting for the show to start. So last night... We want to connect because we've been running around backstage and all these people are giving me oxygen and we're just like, okay. It's about you and me.

I'm getting the defibrillator. It's all crazy shit back there. So we wanted to be like alright you me you me you me and then we just start saying words we go like dear and then we pick a deity that we enjoy or like a person or just somebody fun Taylor Swift

and last night I said dear Buddha but there was a that video was playing and and Georgia said, dear Groupon. And then we were like, the prayer's over. That's all we need to say. We're ready to do the show. That was it.

Tonight was a lot more heartfelt. Yeah. We both journaled, and I'm feeling pretty good. I feel like suddenly I don't want to talk about the house we went to today. Oh, are you kidding me? Why do you do that? It was all they want.

It's why we're here. We went to Mark and Mindy's house. No, that's not true. I mean, it's where every murderino in the nation wants to be for for a minute and a half yeah yeah yeah yeah drive by and everyone goes quiet and we go well not about you not better than us uh we all stared in silence and went,

I thought it'd be bigger. Like as we pulled up, we're like looking around and we're kind of like, hmm, we thought they were richer than this. Snobs. Immediate snobbery. Does everyone around here own a plane? Because this does not seem to be Ramsey level richness at all. They should sell the plane and get a bigger house. That's right. Then you're rich. Or a landscaper.

Or don't be horrible. And then that's what I said. I'd be like that. We sat there for a second, and then George was taking pictures, and I was like, I don't know why, but I feel like I need to look down. And then I started getting obsessed with all the people that work out watering their lawns and stuff. Suddenly there was a man watering his lawn and a mother playing with her child, and I was just like, oh no, this is so dark. And then he sprayed us in the face through my roll-down window and was like, get out of here,

you kids! You creeps! What is wrong with you? But it was worth it. It was worth it. It's just... I mean... What was going on with that fucking family? Dude! And then we

found out they cemented off the basement. Yes, our Uber driver told us that. Yeah. Which is the best. Well, that's why you couldn't sell it. Because the monsters who would buy it want the basement.

I just love that. I bet you like 89% of the Ubers you get into in Boulder if you were like hey so what do you know about the Ramsey household they'd be like well let's go through a list of things my mom was the secretary at the like fuck

yeah like total fuck total fuck well on that note should we sit down? Oh yeah this is a nice little setup yesterday Well, on that note, should we sit down? Oh, yeah. This is a nice little setup. Yesterday, I don't want to throw the theater under the bus, but oh, are you caressing the... I just felt like I needed to have a tactile moment. It's nice.

Also, my manicure matches my chair. Oh. Oh. It's like you're meant to be. Fate. That's your soulmate. Let's go. Fate.

You want to go back? Okay. Yesterday at our show, they brought a high top table from the smoking patio. That's what Karen said. Just threw it on stage, and that was it. It was just one of those ones that, like, I've been, like, three pitchers of beer drunk on so many smoking patios, and then suddenly you're leaning on one of those, like, a wrought iron table that you can kind of stick your fingernails into the holes. As you're like what

am i doing with my life but then they're the ones that are so wobbly and you're the one who keeps sloshed sloshing beer out of the pitcher karen stop leaning on it you're like i can't stand up on my own oh fuck speaking of really quickly back to Buffalo Exchange where everything happened. I, while I was in among the gowns, somehow I have this thing where everyone smiles. I don't know if it's a muscle spasm or if it's consciously I don't want myself to drink as much coffee as I drink. But everyone smiles. I don't know if you do this. You just kind of squeeze your cup and it just flies out of your hand.

I've done it so many times. I didn't know it was that. I might have a light palsy. But anyway. I walk around a large rack of dresses and just see Karen standing near just a pile of coffee. It looked like a small pond. And it was honestly time slowed down as it left my hand and it, the, the, it was like a full

rotation upside down and the like coffee, I saw it all. Like there should have been Wagner playing underneath it. It was so fucking dramatic and horrifying among all these like gorgeous pieces. And I'm just like, I'm going to throw some shit Starbucks around here if no one minds. And I think I was like, run. I told you to run. And these two lovely twee hipsters came over and cleaned it up.

I walked over and turned myself in. I was just like, we have a major problem by dresses. But don't worry, it didn't get on Karen's clothes. It only got on Adrian. Karen's longtime friend Adrian's clothes. That's right. I basically didn't get on Karen's clothes. It only got on Adrian, Karen's longtime friend, Adrian's clothes. That's right. I basically threw

a cup of coffee on Adrian. After you told her to change that morning, right? No. Adrian and I... Here's what it is. Okay. Adrian and I, and this has happened all our lives. My sister, Laura, and I, we look alike, like you can tell we're sisters, but

we don't look alike look alike. Laura's best friend, Adrian, since she was 11 years old, and I don't, we look alike, like you can tell we're sisters, but we don't look alike, look alike. Laura's best friend, Adrienne, since she was 11 years old, and I look like sisters. It's creepy how much they, for someone who's not sisters and who's best friends with your sister, it's creepy. I have not lived in like my hometown for a really long time. So anytime my sister and Adrienne go to a party, people come up to Adrienne and go, are you the comedian? And then she's like, no, because she's very unfriendly. It's her brand.

And last night in Denver, we were dressed almost exactly like, our hair is very similar. And she said so many people were walking up and would get like a foot away thinking that they had seen me before the show and then they'd be like, no, and then walk away. Imagine how that feels to be on the receiving end of like abject disappointment 11 times before the big show starts. And I was like, did you tell them you're the sister? And they're like, no.

And I'm like, oh, I'm the only one who just needs constant attention and praise. Everyone else is like, no, tell them you're the sister? And they're like, no. And I'm like, oh, I'm the only one who just needs constant attention and praise. Everyone else is like, no, why would I tell them that? The two of them are like, we hate attention and we refuse praise. So this morning when we got up, I got dressed. I took a shower, got dressed, came out of the bathroom. Are you bragging that you took a shower? What's that?

Are you bragging that you took a shower? That's right. Totally bathed. Head to toe? Stem to stern. Thank you. Wow. But when I came out

of the bathroom, Adrienne and I had the same outfit on again. And she got so angry that we once again were dressed alike that she changed her shirt in a rage.

And then an hour later I threw a cup of coffee on it accidentally. So was it accidental? Will be the question that just sticks in our mind. I mean it's just something to talk about at therapy next time. When you and Adrienne go together.

That's right. I go to therapy with everyone I know. It's necessary. What's up? Do you want to talk about... What? Do you want to talk about... What else do you want to talk about? I don't know. I want to talk about... I'd like to talk about junior high.

Oh, man. What a time it was. Fuck. We have some slides. Look what Steven made. Steven made our slides look legit. He's earning his keep. That was for you, Steven.

He listens to all these recordings at home after the fact. Steven, cut that out. Cut that. Cut all this out. Cut the compliment out. The compliment goes. Cheering for you goes. And we're back in.

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Who'd like, cause your friend who was in cess got sick and you were like, Danny, will you go with me please? I don't want to go alone. I have anxiety. And they're like, okay, what is it? It's just a cool comedy show. Now you can let them know that here's when the horror starts. Yeah. And we are not bad people.

We're good people talking about bad things. Yeah. Ready? And it's your town, so it's your fault. Thank you. All right, Boulder. You guys had, I want to say, I was impressed and then got stressed out. Because you don't have a ton.

You have the ultimate one. You have kind of the queen. Queen, which we can't do, obviously. We did it. Yeah, and then, all right. But you also have a guy named John Agrew. I think I'm saying that right. Okay.

So I got a lot of this from a dude named Kurt Mitchell from Denver Post's cold case section. What's funny? I was just thinking that maybe he's our Uber driver. This dude Kurt Mitchell that drove us here. I wrote this on the way over because he wrote this whole thing and he was contacted by someone in the case to like help solve it. It's just pretty fucking,

I want someone to please do that for us. But also solve it yourself and then just say that we did it. All right. Can I keep selling? No, you have to jump in. Okay, on July 1st, 1982, two fishermen who were looking for

good spots of fish in Boulder Canyon discovered... not a mannequin, the decaying body of a young woman who was covered only by a towel. She had 11 knife wounds in her chest and two in her neck. Her backpack was nearby and police were able to identify her based on that as Susan Susie

Becker. Susie is her nickname. She's 20 years old. Susie was last seen on the morning of June 20th, 1982. So like a little less than a month before. She was raised Catholic. She liked to listen to... Music?

Yeah, but... Music. What you got? It's Rastafarian. So I'm not going to be able to pronounce that. Reggae? No, Rastafarian I can pronounce. It's the Naya Bingi.

If anyone can do it, it's you guys, Boulder. Yeah. I think she was kind of like a hippie, free-spirity. Like, we have... Oh, we have a photo of her. Can you put up the photo of her, please? There you go. Yeah, she was like a sweet little

baby angel, hippie, free-spirit. Okay. I take it back down now. Let's not bomb everyone out too much. Let's not. Then, how about let's bum everyone out now. Then, a week after Susie's body was discovered, a second body was found nearby, 94-year-old Orma Smith.

Mm-mm. And you can put her picture up. A retired librarian who went missing days earlier. Look at her. That's everyone's grandma from the 70s. A retired librarian, she had gone missing days earlier, was discovered face down in a stream in Big Elk Meadows near SD Park. Near SD Park. Oh oh is that it is that it one big sound

S says park what are you doing just keep going thank you on July what there's a lot of S's on July 9th 1982

so two bodies in like eight days if I can do the math There's a lot of S's. On July 9th, 1982. So two bodies in like eight days, if I can do the math. Okay, investigators got a break in the case on July 15th, 1982, when a 50-year-old man named John Argue. It says it's Agroo. Agroo, Agroo. Agroo. They don't know. I know.

And I usually don't listen, so. A man threatened, a man, this guy John threatened a 26-year-old University of Colorado student with a knife,

but she had escaped, and he was caught minutes later. So I think, like, she was like, fuck you, and, like, neighbors must have been like,

let's get him. I'm guessing. He was caught minutes later and arrested. John was on parole. He had moved to Colorado in 1982 after getting out of prison. In 1966, John had been convicted of fatally stabbing his 14-year-old sister-in-law, Susan Marino. Sounds like a dick. Susan Marino.

Sounds like a dick. He had dumped his sister-in-law's body in a stream in Illinois and had been sentenced to prison for a term of 20 to 50 years. Guess how many he got? Two. You're all wrong. But he was released on good behavior after 16 years. Because he was a good guy in prison john turned out to be the orma the 94 year old librarian's neighbor and a close acquaintance

of hers she was a super friendly woman and she would often let john come in and use her phone to make calls and he drove her around town on errands he drove her around town on errands like they were um he obviously became the main subject and they when they learned also that he would go hiking in boulder canyon so where the bodies were found so john refused to speak to authorities and prosecutors determined there wasn't enough evidence to file charges against him in either Susie or Orma's murders. But the attempted kidnapping charges were filed in the case of the co-ed who escaped, and he was convicted of attempted abduction. He remained in prison until 1989. And then 21 years later, 21? Yeah. John's niece, Cora Amy, who lives in Joliet, Illinois.

Joliet. Jolie. I'm Joliet, Illinois, became terrified of her uncle because he had told her that he had killed an old woman in Colorado. Just chatting? I bet they were drunk, right? How old was she? Were they they were drunk. Right? Wait, how old was she? Were they the...

She was a grown up, I think. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So she got terrified of him because he said this and he seemed to regret

telling her that. Yeah, the morning after. You know the morning after, like, oh, what did I say to John? Did I tell Megan she should get her lip wax?

Probably. No one to tell people they should. Or it was, like, the moment after where he's like, I killed this old woman. Ooh. Dang it. So he started to just, like, stand outside her apartment at all hours of the night and threaten her. So she got a restraining order against him. And she said he had said to her, you know how to kill someone and get away with it?

Just become their friend. And then anything police get, they can't use against you because you're their friend and it was okay for you to be there. It's like you were. It's faulty logic. Yeah. Become their friend. He's using a couple rules there. It's like you were... It's faulty logic. Yeah. Become their friend. He's confusing a couple rules there. Or a couple moral fucking basics.

Yeah. Like, don't kill your friends. Yeah. He had... What did he watch growing up? Because... Just fucking... Just Barney.

Just constant Barney. Yeah. A lot. So, she called crime reporter Kirk Mitchell, the dude whose article I got this from, of the Denver Post, and she asked if he would be interested in running a cold case blog

about the unsolved murder case of her aunt. So she gave him all this information about him and how he had killed his sister-in-law all these years ago and kind of was like, here's all this information. Can you how he had killed his sister-in-law all these years ago and kind of was like, here's all this information. Can you believe this person is not in prison? Clearly he did these things.

And it was 21 years later. So because of this, they reopened the case. And she called the Lemire County Sheriff's Office. Lemire. Larimer. It's obviously Larimer. Larimer.

What's nice about having a smaller crowd is that you can hear what they're screaming at you, which I appreciate because now I actually fixed these. I mean that. We should have done a dry run through. Yeah. With pronunciations only. Why? Then we wouldn't be this podcast anymore um she told investigators about her uncle's murder confession and they had always thought he was a subject in all these other crimes so they reopened the investigation awesome way to go kurt mitchell i feel like i feel like he's kind of a hero in this you know that he fuck yeah okay investigators learned that he that that John had several purses and personal items that had belonged to him, to women, but his family had already thrown all the items away. So, I mean, I think they were just like, he went to prison, let's get rid of all this. Well, let's get rid of his purses, yeah.

They were just like. Everyone gets rid of people's purses when they go to prison. He won't use them when he gets out. They'll be out of style. Yeah. They're thinking to themselves. Totally. Okay, so DNA extracted from cigarettes that had been picked up near Smith's body. Thank God they fucking saved them.

I definitively connected John to her death. But before authorities had a viable case, he died of an overdose of medications what kind of medication medications just just some medication pick them oxygen an oxygen tank i did oxygen and heroin oh my god i'm screwed why would you combine like that? It doesn't make sense. And it was ruled an accidental death. So Larimer County authorities officially closed Smith's case though, the sweet angel, in 2010. But they're reviewing murders committed in Illinois in the 50s and 60s before John Agru was convicted of murder. And they're looking at murders in Colorado between January of 82 until he was arrested in August of 82, as well as murders near Joliet, Illinois from the time he was released

from prison in 89. Becker's murder public announcement was made that the case was closed so he never got they had a suspect, he did it but he never got brought to justice and that's a bummer but at least he's dead and that was John Agrew

he self-medicated himself off this planet thank you jesus yeah yeah that's crazy yeah so they think he did other murders before he had to have yeah yeah let's um that's him hold on yeah oh hello that's steven like 100 i'm sorry if you part that hair and grow it out on one side and put some nice curls into it and put a cat in his hands it's over constantly be smiling and constantly be nice to people and be so nice and never

touch knives and not want to hurt harm one thing yeah that's him dead match oh um oh yeah so if anyone wants to one thing. Yeah, that's him. Dead match. Oh, um... Um... Yeah, so if anyone was his... I feel like they just need to go back and look at his phone book and be like, these were his

friends. Let's call them and see if they're still alive. Yeah, just start on the phone tree. Totally. Hey, here's the thing. Did that guy ever come at you with a knife or anything? Well. I love going first because now I can just chill.

I know, right? Here's my thing of all the stories that I looked up. I picked one that actually took place in Denver because it's a story that has all the things that I love. And this is my podcast. So I'd like to tell you all a story you probably know because it didn't happen too far away. 36 minutes, right? It's the Spider-Man of Denver. Oh, I don't know this one.

Yeah. I want to make a joke about the guy that starred in Spider-Man, but there's been so many that everyone would be like, that's not real Spider-Man. Toby, what's his name? All right. Denver, 1941. Phil Peters, a 73-year-old railroad auditor,

lives in a modest home at 3335 West Montcrieff Place with his wife in Denver, Colorado. On October 3rd, she breaks her hip and is hospitalized. So since Phil is going to be home alone, his very lovely, nice neighbor tells him that while she's in the hospital, he can come over for dinner at her house every night. I know. So he does it. He comes over to her house every night for two weeks until the night.

And she's like, I just don't know how much more I can talk to him about the weather. I don't like trains that much. So, uh, um, so the night of October 17th, Phil doesn't show up for dinner and she gets really worried. So because he's 73 and, uh, so she goes over to the house to check if he's okay. And all the lights are out and the front door is locked. And when she knocks, he doesn't come to the door. And that makes her more worried, because she doesn't think he has anywhere else to go. So she gets a bunch of neighbors together and says, I'm worried about Phil. I'm afraid he fell down inside the house or something.

I just made that up. Let's write the scene. Phil is such a good friend, and he loves my cooking, she said to her neighbors. Yeah, she really, just the reality is she just needed to borrow some milk. Yeah. She was like, guys, guys, gather around. I need to get into Phil's house so I can get some milk. Yeah.

I'm trying to make a pie, and Phil owes me big time. Yeah, yeah. He's eating beef stroganoff at my house every fucking night for two weeks. Hot dish. Okay, so the neighbors go all around the house. They split up in my mind and they go all around the house checking doors and windows. They're all locked. There's this house is locked up tight. There's they can't get in. So a girl finds a loose window screen and pulls it open. They figure out a way to jimmy the window up. They basically break into the house.

She climbs into the window. They wait. Beat. Four. Five. Also made up. They wait. Screaming.

They hear screaming. It turns out that she came upon the murdered body of Phil Peters. He was half-dressed. He was horribly beaten. He had more than 12 wounds in his skull. I feel so bad that I was like, okay, he's going to come over for a hot dish and kill her. That's what I thought was going to happen.

Oh, you thought Phil was the man. That's why I was like, don't come over. What is she going to talk about? Second weather until he murders her? Now I feel really bad. I'm sorry, Phil. It's okay okay I just got a message from Phil he says it's fine it actually used to happen to him a lot okay he's really he was really creepy they find the police find his watch and cash on the dresser, so they rule out robbery as the motive.

But they also realize and are told and check and see that this house is locked up tight, including the chain being across the front door, which means that there is a chance that the perpetrator is still in the house. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now, in my movie version of this, they all realize it at the same time. The neighbors and the cops, they're in the house. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now, in my movie version of this, they all realize it at the same time. The neighbors and the cops, they're in a circle. And they're like, well, if that is it, right? And the cops are like,

someone go in there and see. Someone should go in. Here's my gun. The cops, like to the girl that went through the window, honey, go upstairs. See if there's a man hiding. We're going to pass you our nightstick. Yeah. So the cops start searching the house,

and they scour it. They look every single place for somebody that could have just murdered Phil Peters that's hiding in the house. How creepy would that be? But they can't find anything. The whole place is empty. No one is in there. The only thing that they find that's even of

interest is a trap door for an attic. But it's so small that there's no way a person could get up there. So they're like, alright, well, we don't know what happened. Well, it's not that. Well, I mean, whatever. So, they're baffled and the case comes to a standstill.

Now, meanwhile, Mrs. Peters, whose name I never learned, because who gives a shit what the wife's name is? She's joking. That's not what I'm saying. I literally checked, like, seven articles, and she was always Mrs. Peters. It was 1940. Let's all be grateful that we live in 2017. So, yeah.

So, Mrs. Peters has been in the hospital with a broken hip. Hey, honey. Her husband gets murdered. A nurse is like, I have some news. Now open your mouth and put a pill in it. Just take this pill. We don't know what your name is, but open your mouth and take this pill.

Nobody knew what her name was. That's why they didn't. Mrs. Peters? Yeah. Her name was Mrs. They were like, Judy? Judy. No, it's not Judy.

Sounds right. So she has to go home. Now, in the amount of time between the murder and Mrs. Peters still being in the hospital, the neighborhood hood starts to get kind of freaked out. Yeah. Because neighbors start hearing noises in the house. And then the cops come and they check the whole house and there's nothing there. Also forget about that thing again in the ceiling. Goodbye. Oh good call. Good call. Bookmark that one. Yeah. Then there's a group of kids walking by one one morning, one snowing morning. It's snowing now. Lies. And they look up and they see a ghoulish face looking out the window at them.

No. Don't ever look up. Children should never look up. Look down always. So they, again, call the police. The police go in, search the entire house, and nobody's there. So then basically the neighborhood starts talking that the Peters house is haunted by Phil Peters

who got murdered inside the house. He's still in there. That's gotta be it. His body's, oh, you mean that. It was winter. You mean the ghost. Got it. The cops are like,

we're just gonna leave him here for a while. Figure some shit out so by the time mrs. Peters returns Gladys Peters returns to the home that is a nice flow to it Gladys Peters I think that's it by the time she gets back the whole she knows on the that the whole neighborhood thinks her house is haunted. Um, but so she, uh, stays there. I actually think the real thing that happened is she was there. And in this one article I read, it said, uh, while she was in the house, she was startled and she fell and rebroke her leg.

Oh, honey. Fucking Gladys. She's had it leg. Oh, honey. Yeah, fucking Gladys. She's had it hard. Oh, man. But I want to, like the startled thing, I was just like, startled by what?

A face in the window? Yeah. So, she doesn't... They probably shouldn't have said, hey, there's a ghost of your husband in the house. See you later. Go ahead and get in there.

Then every single thing she does, she's like, oh! She's like, fucking Vera from Alice. Don't scare the shit out of an old woman with a fucking broken hip yeah how about back then they didn't care they were like we don't care what your name is and we don't care about your hip at all so she hires a nurse to stay with her and the two of them start hearing noises the nurse is like no the nurse is like I mean it sounds what so at night they both are hearing the nurse thinks there's something in the walls they're hearing something in

the walls and it's at first they think I was like what everyone says when you hear noises. The house is settling. Bullshit. I'm like, it's 400 rats. That's the first thing I think. Or it's bees. It's so many bees living inside your home. Or it's a murderer is what everyone in this audience would think. Right.

And I bet they're correct. I mean, we'll see. We'll see. Page two. So. Sorry. I had to find my spot. Okay, fuck.

Here we go. Oh, I love this. The nurse gets up one night because she hears a noise. Stay in bed. She walks out of her room and down and she sees on the back stairs a thin, filthy wretch. And when she came upon it, it it shattered its teeth at her. How do you even do that? All caps. Can you see that?

All caps. It shattered its teeth at her. How do you do that? Horrible. It's nice with your teeth because you have nice teeth. But I have good ghost teeth. They're all short and scary. Picture them like they're all pointed.

Yes. File them down. Shave down. Oh. Okay. It's for the movie. It's for the movie. Okay.

So I wrote this. And right after letting the police know what she saw that night, she peaced out as far as she was humanly possible. So she was like, no, thank you so much. She left and Mrs. Peters, Maureen Peters is by herself. So a kindly neighbor, perhaps the same one making dinner for every fucking buddy, comes over and she's like, I'll stay

with you. No, take her out of the home and take her to your house. They're like, it's like every haunted house movie where it's like, you know what, we're gonna make this work. They always do that. Go to a hotel. They're like, I know we saw a child with like all black eyes trying

to give us a message, but let's make it work. Yeah, but maybe I won't. Maybe I won't see that. Yeah. Like, wheel her over in her gurney to your house where you like to cook and sleep there maybe. Take her against her will in her gurney where she's

strapped down. Yeah. Mrs. Peters. Nice hot dish. Not an individual,'s strapped down. Yeah. Peter. Mrs. Peters. Nice hot dish. Not an individual, but a wife only. And I love that everyone's just like, I'll come. No. Be-de-boo.

Okay, so. Sleepover. Here's the nice neighbor and Mrs. Peters like, come on, those aren't real. Several nights later the neighbor hears something rattling around in the kitchen like are you surprised is she surprised at this point

well no in fact she's quite brave because she gets up and she runs to the kitchen without turning on any lights yeah yeah please tell me she has four knives in her hand? Like, that's the only way I'd be impressed by that.

If she's just like... She has scissor hands. She slept with knives taped to her hands. Yeah. Right? It was the only thing that was going to make a difference. Like, hope she didn't have an itch on her face at any point. When she gets to the kitchen,

she sees a ghost standing at the foot of the stairs. She said it was a filthy wraith-like thing that vanished when she screamed. Vanished because he ran to the side. Just a nice sidestep. She said vanish, but yeah, he just sidestep. He crab walked out of there.

Yeah. Yeah. And then I wrote, long story short, Mrs. Peters went to live with her son in Western Colorado. Finally.

That was it. That last one was it. They gave up. They're like, fuck this noise all over the place. I could have told them that from the beginning. From the point where you find a dead body in a house, don't sleep there anymore. Yeah, it's true.

But I think back then it was like you buy your house and you pay off your mortgage and then you're retired. And then you and your husband that used to work at the railroad yard or whatever. Who's not dead? Stay there. The one... Okay, go ahead. I'm just trying to talk you through it. Sorry, I'm mad.

No, no, I mean... I'm clearly really angry. I just wanted you to see the logic of staying in a house where multiple times people have spotted ghosts and heard terrible things. Uh-huh. That keep happening. and heard terrible things. And where terrible things happen. So let's stay living there.

I guess I've only lived in like apartments in my life. So I don't get like having an attachment to a house in any way. Change it. Great. Okay. We don't know why people make the decisions they make, but this is what happened. So finally now the house is just sitting empty.

Okay. There's, but because of the rumors of the paranormal uh or something going on there the cops stake the house out every once in a while so one night on july 30th 1942 oh that sounds fun right stakeout in the 40s take out in the in the 40s. Imagine the coats and the smoking. The sunflower seed piling up on it. Ding. Fucking big old, a huge car. A car that's three times the size of any car now. A slurpy size of like popcorn thing size of hot black coffee.

Yes. But it's got popcorn in it. Yeah. That's how they used to do it. Coffee. Yeah, at Starbucks. Can I how they used to do it. Coffee. At Starbucks, can I have a grande black popcorn coffee? Extra butter.

Extra butter. That's going to be a thing. Okay, so as they're sitting there watching the house, the mailman comes walking up the street. Light of day. Normal day on July 30th, 1942. And as the mailman walks up, one of the cops who's still looking at the house, he doesn't give a shit about the mailman,

he's still looking at the house, he sees the curtains pop open and a face look out. And right as it happens, he nudges the other cop, and the other cop turns to look as the curtains close. So they're both like, it's fucking on. Like Donkey Kong, they get out of the cop car. At what point does that first cop change the pants that he peed in?

All I can picture is the face of that face that comes up really fast and goes away in The Exorcist. That's all I'm seeing when I think of that face that comes up really fast and goes away in the exorcist that's all I'm seeing when I think about this face really fast so but this time with like flowered curtains lace 40s curtains right maybe even a paisley paisley print or just a faded linen. In the film now, the two cops get out and run to the house while Katrina in the Waves Walking on Sunshine plays.

Because it's my film. And they get, oh, they whistle, they whistle their cop whistles for assistance, which is precious. And then... Can you do it?

What? Can you whistle? I want to hear it. Well, they have whistles, but... assistance, which is precious. Can you do it? What? Can you whistle? I want to hear it. Well, they have whistles. Oh, they have whistles. Thank you. I get it. No.

I asked her. And I can't whistle. So when the audience is like, wait, I can whistle. They have a whistle. I get it. Oh, got it. I get it now. Maybe they had whistles too.

They're like, this is from 1940 fucking 2, asshole. I bought it on eBay. It's the one from the murder. They go into the house, immediately hit with a wall of odor. It has like an animal smell inside the house. A supposedly empty house for three months. They head upstairs upstairs and they start

searching. And as they're, you know, walking down the hallway, scared, maybe they're new, once old, once young. He's about to have a baby, like his mom said, a baby. He's about to have a baby. This one's about to retire. He's too old for this shit. You've seen it. You love it. As they pass a doorway, one of them, I like to think it's the one who didn't see the face, so it's even.

One of them passes the doorway, sees a closet door shut. So he goes in. He opens the closet door. And he looks up, and there's that trap door open with some dirty, dirty

feet hanging out of it. Right? We told them to open that door. Remember? We told them and they didn't listen. Oh my god, Karen. I forgive you for not doing, I mean, not that it matters. They forgive you for not doing, I mean, not that it matters. They forgive you for not doing a boulder.

I think so. Okay, so this cop jumps up and tries to catch a foot. Don't touch it. Dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty feet. He instead catches a pant leg and it tears off in his hand and it's like super tattered. It's shitty. Disintegrates. Tired, shitty pants.

I mean, get out of here with your shitty pants. That's the new look, the new style. Tired pants. Yeah. He jumps up again. Both of his hands

catch onto one of those feet and he fucking yanks it down out of the attic. I know, it feels like a victory. Uh-oh, that means it's not. And down comes a filthy, emaciated man in very tattered clothing named Theodore Comies, who immediately passes out onto the floor. Bullshit. That's like playing dead.

Oh, you think he's faking it? Yeah. Well, we could play with that in the film. Yeah? Where you're not sure if he's really lost consciousness. He's lying there and he keeps opening one eye. He's like a little kid pretending to sleep where his eyes are moving around too much under his lids.

Yeah. Good. I like this. Stephen, are you writing down our script? He's like a little kid pretending to sleep where his eyes are moving around too much under his lids. Yeah. Good. I like this. Stephen, are you writing down our script? Okay, so this man is in his mid-60s. He's 5'10", and he weighs 137 pounds. Whoa.

Quite thin. Yeah. So the whole of this trap door, they say, was a little bit less than three times the size of a cigar box. So it's like, dink, dink, dink, however you would imagine. This-ish? No. I think, like, cigar box like that?

A little bigger. Yeah. Well, then you go, uh. Then you have to go, uh. Don't go wide. They're not end to end. Are they? It's a square. You're right. I get it. Here's the thing. It's very small.

Listen. I don't know math. I don't know cigars. I don't know cigars. Those are my two only things I don't know. Shit, sorry. I should have briefed you. It's a fucking tiny hole. Teeny tiny.

So they go up and they're like, they can't even get up into the attic. The hole is so small because they're normal sized men. Do we have any pictures yet? Do we have pictures? Oh, maybe. Could I i throw a picture up let's see what happens is that him there he is all cleaned up that's the cleaned up that's the ghost he looks like a bummer he's just really dry and sarcastic yeah he's in a band real angry eyes actually he looks like what mimi looks like most of the time He's just really dry and sarcastic. Yeah. He's in a band.

Real angry eyes. Actually, he looks like what Mimi looks like most of the time. Just grumpy as fuck. Aw, Mimi. Get him away from me. Okay, so they look up into this attic. It's got a single light bulb hanging from a wire. He's got a bed that's made of an ironing board.

Okay, masochist. No, no, no. He's got a little bedding. He's got a bunch of mega torn up magazines everywhere. It just said magazines in my movie. Those are straight up triple X porn magazines. He's not looking through like boy's life or whatever. Or what's one of the like 1940s like movie star? It's not that.

You will call it movie star because we won't be able to clear anything else for the movie. Totally. Right? Totally. Okay. And it smells so bad. I'm glad he's been shitting in there, hasn't he? Because he's been shitting and pissing up there. There's a toilet downstairs. But the flush! Okay.

So... Did you say, what the flush? No. Of course you didn't. Why would you say that what the flush no i said that's a that's a me not you uh okay so they have to take him to the hospital because he is so thin they think he's going to die um when he's released from the hospital he's brought into the police station for questioning so he tells them the story. So as a child, he suffered from such bad health that doctors told his parents he wouldn't live to see his 18th birthday. And for some reason, they told him that?

Yeah, they're like, don't get attached to anything. Don't tell your kids that. They're going to die. They're like, don't sweat the small stuff. And we really mean that. Really, or the big stuff. Try not to sweat. It's bad for you.

So he quits school, which I would too. Somehow he learns to play the mandolin, which is actually kind of perfect. That's great. He is in the mandolin club in Denver, which I'm sure a lot of you are in also. And that's how he met Phil Peters 30 years prior. Whoa. Yeah.

So he was a very sickly kind of young man that didn't do that much and, you know, had a hard time breathing. I was like, so. Except he's a murderer. That's like, so he's a murderer. Your response is, Oh baby. And mine's, I rolled my eyes. He can't breathe or something. Calm down. Calm down with your sickness. Uh, he, when he got older, he at one point worked in ad sales. He was also a bookkeeper at the Denver Brass Works. Axe sales?

Yeah. Ad sales. Axe body spray sales. They invented it in 1939. Ad sales, you said. Correct. It just smelled like cigarettes back then. Ad-vertisement sales.

But his poor health prevented him from ever establishing a career. And so he basically spent most of his adult life as a transient. So by the fall of 1941, 30 years later, he had just been out on the road, traveling around. And he had been doing it for so long and just getting sicker and sicker because he was spending winters outdoors. Do we know what he had? Just like, just shitty lungs. In my movie, the doctor will flip open like a thing and be like, we're so sorry, Theodore.

You've got a case of shit lung. And then he'll cry. Your lungs technically just fucking suck. Yeah. I mean, there's no upside. No cure? So he was back in the Denver area around October of 1941, and he knew he could not survive another winter outdoors.

So he thought oh maybe if I go to Phil Peters house he will help me out but when he got to the house nobody was home and the front door was open because Mildred had he was with Mildred in the hospital, I have some wishes. So he opens the door and he's like, I'm just going to steal some food because I'm fucking starving. I'm 5'10 and I weigh 137. Yeah.

That's like what I wear. Nope, that's what I weigh. Oxygen. But I'm five shorter than that. You're five shorter. So that would be real thin. It would be tough. Yeah.

But you could go into attics whenever you wanted. That's true. Upside. So he said he went in, he stole some food, and then he realized this was this opportunity, so he started looking around the house, and he saw that trap door, and he was like, this could be the way that I don't have to be outdoors for the rest of this winter. Or you could have waited for Phil to get home, and then be like, hey, buddy, I really need a place to stay.

Yeah, I mean, you could. But maybe Phil was just like half a dick. Maybe Phil was just like, he was like kind, but he would hold it over you. So he'd be like, sure, you can stay and have a banana. And then you need a... Then just stares. Yeah. Just stares.

Okay, but we won't put it in the movie. Fuck. The people have spoken. Okay, but we won't put it in the movie. Fuck. The people have spoken. Okay. Who plays Phil? Good. I love this. I love this.

Let's work with this one for a minute. I mean, off the cuff, I wanted to say Bill Pullman. But he's older. Isn't he an older man? You think he's older than Bill Pullman? No, I think Phil's in his 70s. Right, so let's go ahead. 73, right?

He was 73? Then we're doing Tommy Lee Jones as Phil. Oh. Yeah. That's good. Right? Okay, all right. It's real.

It's gritty. And I just like him. One time in L.A., we were driving up, I think it was... You're looking at me like I'm going to just start naming streets. Well, I mean, that would be the fun thing. Coinga. Los Feliz. What area? Santa Monica. I think it was Doheny.

Doheny. Where the Four Seasons is. Yeah, yeah. Yes. We're driving up it, and there's a little bit of traffic, and the Four Seasons Hotel, which is very fancy, as you well know, is right there where lots of celebrities go to just hang out. And as we were stopped in traffic, I looked up, and there's a black Mercedes,

and the window rolls down, and it's fucking Tommy Lee Jones. And I went like this. And he was like, he gave me the old fucking sailor salute. That's a good one. And even in LA, you guys think we see, like, we don't see a lot of good ones. No. There's very few. Few, few good ones.

Yeah. You'll see some people from the CW. They're beautiful. They're very beautiful. Yeah, yeah. And similar. But a TLJ, you're not going to get that every day.

It was fucking magic. I saw Simon Cowell. What? But out the window of the car I was in, I was in the passenger side seat, and I saw him. He pulled up next to us with his window rolled down,

but unfortunately I didn't see him before I had belched loudly out the car window right as fucking simon cowles pulls up in his like whatever like a you know a car that maza i don't know mazarada what do people drive there everybody drives mazaradis that's a corvette i don't fucking know you know did he love it Corvette. I don't fucking know. You know. Did he love it? I just hid. He was like, it's a little pitchy. A little pitchy.

Yeah, he ignored me. Well, then I just will say, You're juicy. We'll just keep doing this? Yeah. One time on Laurel Canyon, I'm up trying to take a left onto Ventura. You know. And it's where all the studios are. It's literally called Studio City. And as I, you know, it's where all the studios are. It's literally called Studio City.

And as I, you know, it's very nerve wracking to make left hand turns in Los Angeles. And I just moved there like probably two years before. It's very scary. You have to really, you have to attack the intersection. You have to take your space. And everyone's fucking pissed at you behind you. You can't win. You always do it wrong.

It's bad. So I'm out there really trying to like take my place in the world of this intersection well who comes up in a light blue Jag but mr. Clint Eastwood you get all the cock gruff older I get this fucking manly man and he was because the Sun was shining in his eyes so he was like... Oh. He looked like he was doing a Clint Eastwood impression the whole time. It was fucking so rad. It was so rad.

Billy Bob Thornton. Okay. Yes. Another gruff fucking... I'm just saying his name. No, I saw him once. What about it? Did you see him?

Yeah, I walked right into him. We were at a book... Remember when there was borders on La Cienega? You guys remember. Remember. I was walking around, around the corner, right into someone. Oh, I'm so sorry, ma'am. Oh, he caught your name.

He was so polite. And then Angelina just gives me this stink eye when she walks by. They were in borders? Yeah. Like, oh, you tried to walk into my husband. Yeah, you did, girl. I did not. Did you?

I did not. He wears a vial of your blood around his neck. I know, I was just like... That's disgusting. What? That is so goes against everything they were doing at that period of time. Borders? Yeah.

They wanted a book on how to keep your marriage sane. Or they're just getting one of those map books about hiking. Just like, don't tell anyone we bought this. We're into nature. Lastly, most beautiful woman I've ever fucking seen in person in my life. I mean, next level. Don't clap. Next level.

Just that was all I took away from that. Anyways, where were we? Oh, Angelina Jolie. I thought you were building up to who that person was. Oh, no, no, no, no. Like, who could it be? She was so beautiful. Also, like, 5'3", though.

Oh, really? Yeah. Okay, I'm sorry. I thought she was tall. I know, they make it seem that way, but she's not. They're all very small. They're tiny human beings. When you go there, if you run into a celebrity,

you go to Los Angeles, you run into a celebrity, you will think they're in grammar school at first. You know, like, Alyssa Milano, same deal. She was the first celebrity I saw in LA. And it immediately made me want to quit what I was doing. Because I was just like, oh, you have to be four foot eight. Yeah. And roughly 67 pounds.

Yeah. That's the only reason we're not famous, you guys. I have a huge head. And we're persisting. We're persisting. All right. Back to the film that everyone's been talking about at Sundance. Okay, so when he's being interviewed by the cops,

he basically says he never meant to harm Phil, but once he was in there, he, like his thing was he's for the first. So he, all together, he was up, up in that attic for nine months living inside those people's house.

Oh my God. For nine months. And at first he would just stay really, really still. And if he heard, um, anybody downstairs, he would just stay really, really still. And if he heard anybody downstairs, he would just freeze and stay still all day. But when it was still fill in the house, after a little while, he got bored

and he said he would sneak down. At first he would sneak down at night and eat scraps. He would eat out of the garbage. He would stick his finger in the jelly jar and eat it. He would eat out of the garbage. He would stick his finger in the jelly jar and eat it. Go back upstairs. Also, who eats jelly raw? I mean, it was the 40s, though.

That's true. We'll establish that at the beginning that everybody eats jelly all the time. They fucking love it. Right, right. Preserved. But with a spoon. Yeah.

That's dessert at that lady's house. Okay, everyone gets a spoonful of jelly. And off to bed. Can I play the lady who cooks for him? Of course. The lady that cooks dinner? Yeah. A hundred percent.

But you have to read for it. Okay. Oh. Well, then I'm not getting it. No, that's how it is down there. It's show business. Yeah. Look, I love you.

I want you to be part of it. But the execs are, I mean, it's. It was my choice. There's so many. The line producer has to see the performance. Okay. Guys, let's focus. Not fair.

Is everyone dying right now? No, we're good. Okay. No, they're not. Okay, so, but then he gets bored, right? So then what he does is he starts sneaking down when Phil is still in the house and shadowing him as he walks around the house.

Everything up until then was like, oh, okay, that sucks. But now I'm like, oh, you're fucking crazy. Yes. Because he said, uh, the quote is, um, that he didn't want to hurt him and shit. I'm not gonna be able to find it. Cause I it because I've gone so far into my show business fantasy that I have no idea where I am in this document. Make up a line. Oh, that's right. This is my movie. Because I know the fuck you want.

He basically said, there it is, there it is. Are you sure about that? Yeah. No, I'm just reading to myself now. What a great story this is. God, this is fucking crazy.

Something means you just stopped reading to the audience. He said, then I got bolder and I used to shadow him from room to room. It was sort of a game. Gave me a thrill. It was the first time in my life I'd ever had anyone at my mercy. That's of a game. Gave me a thrill. It was the first time in my life I'd ever had anyone at my mercy. That's not a game.

It's also not at your mercy because he's choosing to watch fucking Ed Sullivan or whatever. Yeah, he's living his life. He doesn't know you're there. Yeah. That's so Theodore. But then here's the rest of that quote. I didn't want to hurt him. It was miserable hot in the summer,

and my feet froze dead in the winter in that attic, but it was all part of the price I was willing to pay. I guess you can't, I can't tell you why I stuck it out. I guess because I was in a world on my own. I used to go down and look out the window and watch the postman go by. Nobody's written to me in 25 years. Whenever I saw people on the street,

I hated them and I'd go back to my attic. I relate. Nobody's written to me. No, if only he had gotten one letter. If only Bill was like, oh, this is for you, Chad. Even just a bill or something. But no, he was just mad about mail. Everyone's got their reasons, you know?

And then he said about the night of the murder, everything would have been all right, and Phil Peters would have been alive today if he hadn't caught me robbing the icebox. Oh, it's his fucking fault that you broke in and murdered him. Phil was asking for it. It was him or me. I thought he'd gone out, but he was taking a nap.

I hit him with the stove shaker, which I've looked it up so many, I cannot figure out what a stove shaker is. It's like a grate or something. You shake the stove with it. In my movie, it's just going to be like a huge, like an iron statue.

Okay. Well, I like the kitchen angle, though. Maybe it could be a cast iron skillet. Okay. I'm not. Listen, I'm like suddenly it's my movie, too, but this is all you. No, I mean, I want to work with you. Okay.

I want to collaborate. All right. Let's keep with the, I think, that's your favorite thing is to work with. So he hates him with this skillet. I don't know how, but. What about the hot dish tray that he had gotten from me next door?

It comes back around. She makes casseroles in a cast iron square that weighs 200 pounds. Right. Please return this when you're done, Phil. And don't break a bone. Oh, Phil. So, hit him with the stove, cast iron

skillet, when he tried to run for help. When it was over, I ran to the attic. I was sitting on the trap door when you were pounding on it from below the night you found him. So, they actually like went and were like, what's this? And then were like, oh, we can't open it.

And probably so then that means it doesn't matter. Alright. Guys, follow through. Just everyone, life lesson, follow through. Follow through. I spit. So he, theater companies, do we have any more pictures? Steven sent them.

You might not. There we go. What is it? Oh, it's a strap door house. Oh, yeah. This is the attic. Look at that guy's 40s hair all greased up. There's the light on the wire. Look at that guy's grease using Dapper Dan in his hair. Here's some, this is some pee.

There's his ironing board in his hair. Here's some, this is some pee. There's his ironing board bed over there. Man. And, uh, wow, that's depressing. Okay. Um, he confessed and he was convicted and sentenced to a life prison in the

Colorado State Penitentiary. What if I pronounce Colorado wrong? Um, he went in on November 18th, 1942 and he remained there for Colorado State Penitentiary. What if I pronounce Colorado wrong? He went in on November 18th, 1942, and he remained there for 23 years and eventually became the prison librarian. All right. I mean, he died in the prison hospital on May 16th, 1967,

and the local press dubbed him the Spider-Man of Moncrief Place, which is the street he lived on, because when Detective Fred Zarna looked into the attic, which is probably that guy with the rad hair, he said a man would have to be a spider to stand it so long up in that place. There's your story, everybody. That was fun. That was your story, everybody. That was fun. That was nice. I cannot tell you how glad I am I don't have to follow that.

Yeah, right? Yeah, right? It was great. You got to go to those old creepy ones. I know. I never did the old creepy ones. I'm always like, here's a new one. It'll bum you the fuck out.

Because it's recent. One of you are probably related to this person I'm talking about. It's super real it'll bum you the fuck out because it's recent one of you are probably related to this person it's super real you're gonna hate it alright should we do a hometown murder let's do it let's do it hold on I feel like we have to pick the person not who's

raising their hand but who everyone around them is pointing at we should pick the person not who's raising their hand but who all their friends are going because they're like, this fucking girl won't stop talking about her dead grandma. Karen, what about her? No, no, no. They've had enough. I'm not allowed.

They've had enough time. She doesn't let me. Let's do you in the white shirt. It's just become a rule that I don't get a pick. Is Vince on the side? There he is. You have to go this way. She said, just turn it on. I don't know. I don't see a thing. Just use the microphone the way it's supposed to be used. Vince is here. There's no thing to turn it on.

I swear to gosh, there's no on switch on that thing. We are not just that. Oh, hi. The husband did it! Look at her shirt! Her shirt says the husband did it. Can I have that? You can't read. Yeah, you can't read.

I have been using my college skills to cram, but I failed most of the tests when I did that, but maybe I can... Just remember it. Just talk it out. You'll be fine. Wait, what's your name? My name is Megan.

Hi, Megan. Bleep it, Steven. Bleep it. Bleep it. Last name? Uh-oh. You don't get a... No one gets to yell at Steven.

Yeah, that's our job. Where are you from? I am from Ogden, Utah. Great. I trekked here with my cousin, Kara Elizabeth. She's been a fan from the beginning and said, you've got to listen to this podcast.

Good job. It's our thing. Thank you. We owe you $20. Between Ebola and my favorite murder, we're the weird ones in our Mormon family. You have Ebola? No, we like it. The disease?

Yeah, we like to read about it and then pretend like we have it. What does it do? Does it just deteriorate? It's bad shit. Ooh, I love it. Your eyes will bleed. Okay. But listen, if you survive 10 days, you're in the clear.

Okay. Okay. All right, tell the story. Okay, so Ogden, Utah is, this is the really big time murder in Ogden. I'm going to brush over it because it's pretty grisly. Great. If you want to know more. You're here.

We'll give you some links at the end of the show. So my mother went to high school with the survivor of the Hi-Fi murders. Oh, the Hi-Fi murders are so fucked up. It is. I've never heard of this. I have written it. Hi- of this. I have written it. High-fi murders. I have written it to do it.

April 24th, 1970. I crammed. And to my fourth-grade teacher mother, who will listen to this on a later date, I took a cookie today. Uh-oh. But that was at noon. She's fucked up. No, that was at noon.

No, that was at noon. We have great video of me worried that Karen's going to yell at me. Just don't talk slow, that's all. I'm talking really fast. Yeah, you got it. Just focus. So, 1974, we've got, I believe her name's Shelly Ainsley. She's 18 years old. She works

with Stanley Walker. They are in the hi-fi shop that sells speakers music you know total 1974 thing going on yeah it's closing time little 16 year old Courtney nays bit walks in and says hey thanks for letting me park in the parking lot while I had to run some errands he's down there talking with these guys and that's when these three bastards come in and try to kill these people. They tie them up.

They dump Drano down their ears. What? And mouths. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You meant mouths. Down their mouths and ears. The second that it touches their mouths, they're burned.

They're my stirred. Oh, my God. Wait, they're sorry, just right away right away okay it's initially the guy that did it said that they wanted some good stuff some speakers and things but then as they're in there and they've tied them up he's like hey wait a minute i got something in the car so clearly he's got an idea what he wants yeah there's a little bit of pre-planning keep torture so you know your 18 yearold doesn't come home from work. Your 16-year-old doesn't come home from running errands.

So, of course, their parents come to find them and see where are my children. Carol Nasebitt comes to find her 16-year-old son, goes down in the basement. She is tied, given Drano, and shot. Same thing happens to her. Yes. Then we've got Orin Walker. He comes to find he wants to find his son Stanley who never came home from work. He comes down there

they tie him up and they kick a pin into his ears. I don't want this part. Into his ear you say? Yeah. This part I don't want this part. Into his ear, you say? Yeah. Okay. This part I don't want. Keep going. You can't pause.

Courtney's beat. Power through it. Courtney's beat. In the end, these men decide they're going to just shoot everybody. Everybody dies except for Courtney Nesbitt. Now, this is some bad shit, clearly, but after weeks of investigation, they find the three guys that did it. They are put to death. They are

executed, except for the getaway driver who was out amongst us. And I've tried to Facebook the shit out of this guy, but I can't find him. They were in the military. He claims he didn't know anything. They were all in the military, right? They were. They all worked on Hill Air Force Base. What the fuck? Which is, you know, the central part of Utah. I mean, it's, and they were stationed there.

They said they needed money. Their pay sucked as military. And we do know our military needs to be supported a little bit more. Yes. Child of a serviceman. But anyway, Courtney has lifelong ailments from more. Yes. Child of a serviceman. But anyway, Courtney has lifelong ailments from this. Yeah.

He gets married. He has children. He graduates from college. He lived a full life and he died last year. But I did think it was pretty damn amazing. He still went to high school. He still accomplished things and of course became an advocate

for victims' rights. Wow. That's amazing. that's O-Town that's O-Town girl you went there I'm proud of you oh my god yeah wait now take a second

take it in, take a second everyone applaud yay look at her, look at your girl this is hard Now take a second. Take it in. Take a second. Everyone applaud. Yay! Yay, Raiden! Look at her. Look at your girl. This is hard to do. It's very hard.

Especially with that story. When you're high and that story? Yeah. Holy fuck. I ate a cookie. No, I know. I know. Let's go, Raiden.

Now, do you have a song you want to sing? If you want my butt. Yeah. Okay, thank you. I need this shirt. I need that shirt. Thank you so much. Thank you, cousin.

You're amazing. Yes. That's how we do it. Thank you. I bet the odds of finding somebody in this audience that's not high would be very, very low. Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. Very low.

Yeah. I mean, these days, I bet people just get up in the morning and they're just like, a boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Oh, right? Our Uber driver yesterday, this amazing, like, hippie chick who probably goes to Burning Man, we were talking about it, she works at a dispensary, and she was like, yeah, I have friends who wake up in the morning and have a fucking weed butter on their toast yeah i'm just like have toast and eat and smoke some weed though no you fucking eat it and then it like comes on

slow and then all of a sudden you're like just walking around at work and you're like fuck don't stop smiling don't stop smiling everything's chill just be chill someone asks a question just say yes sit at your desk put on your headphones I didn't realize

I had that song in me until right now that was gorgeous they know that was they know that's your next song that might be

like how to deal with being high can you I did that one already can you you have to write it down for me after we're done Steven

you guys this has been fucking awesome this is the first weekend of our 2017 fall tour we are kicking it off what a great place to start night two

night two Colorado Colorado what a great fucking place to start this tour. Seriously. It's like, it's very touching. It's very lovely how much support we get from you guys and love. We really appreciate it and we very much want you to stay sexy.

And don't get married! Bye, you guys. Thank you!