My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 86 - Live at the Enmore Theatre

Episode Date: September 14, 2017

This week’s My Favorite Murder comes to you live from the Enmore Theatre where the ladies discuss the "Melbourne incident" and cover serial killer Auntie Thally and the Shark Arm case. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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How was your weekend? How What's been up with you guys lately? How was your weekend? How's everything been going with you? Oh, it's so exciting to be here. Have you ever had every single one of your triggers triggered at one time? Because I have. I'm going to start this show by saying, this is my favorite murder-a-true-crime podcast. That's also a comedy podcast, which is a difficult and complex combination.

Yeah, and they're weaved together. And you simply must trust us that we're good people. Yeah. That's just for the newbies. That's just for the people who are forced here or who saw something

in the newspaper and they were like, let's roll the dice. Yeah. I love podcasts. This American Life love that podcast. Let's go to this one. Oh my God.

Mark Maron? That guy's great. I'll go to a live podcast. Yes. Let's see what happens. So we wanted to tell you guys what happened last night just to kind of address it. Because at this point, the rumors are so insane.

It's a little bit crazy. Georgia looked on the way over here. Georgia looked at her phone and she goes, oh, now they're saying I walked off stage. And I'm just like, hold on. What is happening? I didn't. I wanted to.

Never wanted to more in my life. We started the show by talking about plucking chin hairs. As you do. I mean... Who doesn't do that? Again, comedy. True crime. Comedy.

Live podcast. And then Karen did a great light-hearted murder. That's how I do it. a thing and then i didn't i was doing this thing we're like i did uh i did jilmar the night before yep that's exactly what happened yeah yeah yeah so i was like well this time i'm gonna go in a different direction oh let me just stop you by saying that anyone, again, who might be new, she did Jill Marr, and

when we did our meet and greet, which is where we get a lot of feedback, and we love to hear feedback, and people tell us what they think. Every single person was like, I was so scared that you were doing that, and you did it great. And it's obviously, no, no, no, no, it's okay. But I mean, like...

The one thing we talk about all the time is that we're here to represent and support the victims. Comedy is not around that. So I think I'm okay with the way I did. But then I touched a nerve with the next, last night. Yeah, there was somebody in the audience who clearly was having, was somebody in the audience who clearly um was having was out for the weekend and um made a bad entertainment choice you know what do you know

what i bet happened some fucking sweet hardcore murderina was like fuck i have to work tonight uncle dave listen aunt julie take tickets. You guys love horror movies. You're really into horror movies. You guys love comedy. I feel like you might enjoy this thing. And that murderina was wrong. Yeah. Deeply wrong.

Yeah. Really, at the end of the day, what happened is, and as a person who's done stand-up comedy for 100 years, we just got heckled. I mean, that's the long and the short of it. There's been a lot of words used to describe what happened that I think are inaccurate. It was a guy yelling, this is shite.

And although it's rude and jarring and upsetting, it's still not like assault or anything. You know what I mean? Like, it's just a person going, fuck. You know what I mean? Like it's just a person going, fuck this. The only thing was really angry. Yeah. He was mad. And also he had like the lungs of Pavarotti. He was the loudest person I've ever heard speak. And if you can imagine all these murderinos were like, like this, what the, you know, in their minds, what the fuck? But we were all like, what the fuck? Everyone was like, what the fuck for a while. Yeah. And, um, and he,

it seemed like it went on for 25 minutes. It was probably 20 seconds. And then they just hightailed it out of there. And then we had to like sit in it for a little while. I did start crying. That part is true. Well, it was upsetting because he was yelling at her. And also it was this moment where like it happens all the time in this podcast, we were talking about something incredibly sensitive and then one of us fucks up and the other one makes fun of that person. And they interpreted that as us laughing at someone's death right which makes sense logistically you know what i mean it's like these these it's not we didn't argue it you know what i mean because that's that was what was happening but it also was not what was happening in the least so and

then karen fuck i just looked at her and i was like and you you fucking, like a champ, took over and said the most eloquent, wonderful thing and it was so, it meant so much to me. Listen. I have to say, I'm so fucking happy you're on my team

and I'm so lucky that you have my back and it means a lot to me and I'm not pandering. Look, look, look. I'm just pandering. I'm going to cry again. I trained

at the ImprovOlympic for 22 years no I'm just kidding no yeah and it was just like you know what in my for me um I come from a family of incredibly loud yellers so it was like oh my god thanksgiving again I was just like are you done done? Okay. We get your volume anger. I'm not like that. No, that's not her experience. No. But yeah. So there was lots of people who were like, don't quit the podcast.

We're like, are you? I just fucking quit my job. I have to do this podcast. I painted myself into a corner. Seriously. We're never going to post this podcast. I painted myself into a corner. Seriously. We're never going to post that episode. I think we should post

the part that we... Whatever. Anyways. Yeah. I don't think that's ever going to happen. Out of context, people will be like,

that was a weird speech. That was a weird, quiet speech about how hard life can be. Yeah. Yeah. That was just a magical select moment for us. And the funniest part to me is in the VIP. Oh my God. There were people who would come up and be like, it's so funny because I have anxiety disorder. And we're like, oh, shit. It's like the worst case scenario for people who are already like, it was hard for me to come here.

And then the man started yelling. We're like, an angry man. We're like, this is, and it's 99, look around you. It's like all women here. Oh, and then you guys have to, okay, listen, don't tell anyone we told you this. Don't tell Madeline we told you this, but they said to us, please don't tell Sydney about what happened.

Don't tell Sydney. So, shh. They were really, I mean, but, here's the thing. They were very embarrassed. Every single person that we met in that VIP was so lovely to us. They were so, and then we had people, um, part of what

Georgia story about was, um, a crime family who, uh, ambushed cops and we're trying to kill cops. And that was part of the sensitivity. And the, about the fourth people who walked up in the VIP line, both worked for the Victoria police department. And one of the women was like, for the Victoria Police Department. And one of the women was like, my boss told me to listen to this podcast for the health of my job. And we were like, are you just saying that? I started crying again.

And then I was like, then it dinged in my head. I was like, hey, there was a cop here last night and she likes our podcast too. So, you know. She gave us a caution tape. Yeah. And a little tape. Yeah. And a little badge. Yeah.

But then Australia, you guys responded in the fucking coolest way that makes us so fucking happy. And you all get credit. You all get credit. Not just Melbourne. We just feel like the mascots

of this podcast with, I feel like I have like a tiger head on and a murderino. And we're cartwheeling, and then everyone else is the football team. Yeah, exactly. But that doesn't make any sense here in... Fuck. But what you mean is, at midnight, two murderinos, it was Danica and...

We have their names. Nadine. Nadine. Nadine and Danica, they are social workers in Brisbane and they started basically a, oh yeah? Campaign. Oh, you're going to heckle, are you? And so we had

Steven grab a still of what the total of money raised for this having happened. Can you see that? You guys, this was as of 6 o'clock today. It's $9,000 that's going to women's organizations in Brisbane, in Melbourne, and in Sydney. All right. thank you. We're fucking honored to have,

to be even associated somewhat with that, and we know that it's not, this whole fucking thing is bigger than us, and we appreciate your support so much. We're going to have a man come out and yell at us every night, and then you're going to have to. It'll be Vince. If it's Vince, I can fucking deal with it.

My husband. Vince in like a mustache and a bowler hat. Like, this is shite. We'll be like, better raise money. Give us money. Can we say someone was like, well, I hope they thought the money was going to me. Because it was like, we love Georgia. they thought the money was going to me. Because it was like, we love Georgia.

Yeah, we love you, Georgia. They must have just checked the website and immediately gotten off without reading anything. They were like, well, I hope she gives at least some of the money to the hurricane victims. They were like, lady, lady. That's what this guy did. He checked the thing really quick and he was like,

okay, I know the story. I'm going to scream at you. Shite! Shite. And look, sometimes we are completely shite. Here's the thing. I was so distracted, I never plucked the hair. It's still there.

Yeah. I'm going to keep it as a reminder forever. And grow it so long. Speaking of facial hair. Oh yeah, do you want to see your friend Stephen? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Stephen. Hi Sydney. Stephen, I just want to tell you too because I feel very emotional tonight that we appreciate you too a lot thank you I love you guys

we love you too we love you Stephen we're always kidding when we're meeting you guys know that right it's fun to yell at Stephen but Stephen does a lot of shit for us all the time I love it though you love the yelling? yes Stephen, but Stephen does a lot of shit for us all the time.

I love it though. You love the yelling? Yes. It's the perfect relationship. Yay, Stephen. Alright, bye. Bye. Hi, I'm Una Chaplin and I'm the host of a new podcast called Hollywood Exiles. It tells the story of how my grandfather, Charlie Chaplin, and many others were caught up in a campaign to root out communism in Hollywood.

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How dare you? Should we? I was going to go into a 15-minute Spanx chunk and now I can't. No, I felt like there was one other thing I was going to say that was about... Oh, I guess it's just, no, it's just if I eat one more Tim Tam, I'm going to fucking explode.

Uh-huh. It is out of control. Oh, I guess it's just, no, it's just, if I eat one more Tim Tam, I'm going to fucking explode. It is out of control. Next time we are going to another country, instead of saying on the podcast, everyone bring us all your chockies and lollies. Yes. I've since learned is the thing. Snicks? Snicks.

That's kiwi, that's kiwi. I'm just going to say bring us money for the hurricane instead. Bring us money for the hurricane straight into Georgia's pocket. Bags. You can gift wrap it, whatever you want. My favorite is that you guys call them lollies and chockies, but then also you call heroin addicts smackies. That's so cute. That's something we found out from our

driver, Wally. That was one of my favorite things I've ever heard anyone say. He kept calling us a cunt. And he said, no, no, it's when we like people, we call them cunts. And we're like, okay. That's true. Yeah. Like that clearly fits me so well. That's my favorite word. Love it. Like, that clearly fits me so well. It's my favorite word. Love it. Okay, now. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Oh, what kind of... Are these high challenge chairs? Like a lady. No, no. Oh. Did I... Wow. Levels.

Levels. This is our new podcast, Levels. Tell me everything. Mommy. Mommy, may I have some murder? I don't want to be that low. That's a little crazy. Should I just tell briefly the story of when I broke the chair? Yeah, because it's so similar, but I wasn't going to bring it

up because like, that's not cool to your, like to your friend. Like when I told my mom in public, she needed to shave her nose hairs. That's not cool. It's not cool. And it's rude. Um, now I can't remember if it was the first or second night. It was the first night. We've been on the road now for, I think, 40 days. Not a bit. And now I'm sinking and I'm not even touching anything. Yeah, I think we've broken the chairs. Sorry.

Okay, there we go. Yeah. Fuck. Here, I'll just sit up. We're a regular Larry Mo Mo and Curly over here we love physical comedy it's our new thing we told you guys at the top comedy

the first night we got here George and I are doing our makeup in the mirror as we do just piling it on for hours before the show starts and in my perspective the room started to slant to the right. I didn't know why I thought maybe it was jet lag or a seizure, or I was finally going to die. Right. As I turned to Georgia to say like, Hey, is the room slanting to the right to you too um the chair that i was sitting in just bent

like these legs bent under and and i in fucking straight up slow motion fell to the ground in the chair to the point where when i landed i was stuck in it against the wall like i had been like i was being eaten by a giant clam yeah and then I went after her I went after to save her but I'm a human so I was fucking cracking up the whole time because who doesn't laugh when someone falls but you were still a good person so you still try to help. She's underlining. I'll say this is what the help looked like. It looked like this. You know what I think I did? I went to hug you because I could tell you weren't hurt.

So it's just going to be like, oh God, like nobody wants to, a chair to break. But then I noticed that the chair had like literally been like, like masking taped. Yeah. Together. That's the story we're going with. Masking tape chair. Yeah. So I've been afraid of chairs ever since. Look, it's been a hard tour.

We've gone through a lot of shit. If I look like I've been crying, it's because I have allergies. And I've been crying. So this is the portion where we talk about murder. Yes. So if anyone only likes comedy there is a door.

Please don't yell at me. I don't mean that. Please don't yell at me. They're like we had nothing to fucking do with it. How dare you. I go first tonight, right? There's the door. I didn't mean it like that can I tell

you them about your earrings that someone gave us please they say one says ck and the other one says fu and if you put those two together the other way it says fuck I it's really funny because there's that and then someone also gave me a little enamel pin that's a heart with an arrow through it that says, fuck off. It's like they know you. It's just they know me so well. It's so, it's, I want all my jewelry to be rude to everyone for no reason. So, which is, what's really fun after all that, I get to go first tonight.

Yep. So. Right back on. They love it. They want it. They love it and want it. I found an old one so that nobody here remembers it happening or is directly related to the people it happened to.

You don't know. I don't know. Anything could happen. We're in a foreign country. Anything could happen. We're in a foreign country. Anything could happen. It's true. It's true. Also, these chairs are going down. I know. I can tell.

Are we on the same? Okay. I think we are. Yeah. This is starting to feel like a Charlie Rose situation. Isn't it? Yeah. All right.

Okay. Yeah. This is, you know what I keep doing is i keep writing the name of the story in as the doc name and i forget to put it on the top of my paper so then i'm like i guess this is a story of uh um auntie auntie folly yeah auntie your poisoner. Oh, I fucking gave away the beginning. All right. All right. Carolyn Grills, born in 1888. Should I pretend that I don't know it's a poisoner?

Yes. Okay. Because you don't know. I mean, she could have been lying the whole time. Yeah. Carolyn Grills, born in 1888. So nobody was her BFF as a kid here. You don't know?

Balmain? Balmain. Absolutely. You mean exactly how it's spelled? I'm trying to get creative, and it didn't work. Well, right, because when it's spelled and it looks like you know how to pronounce it, then you say it, and everyone's like, it's Bondi or whatever that fucking beach is called.

Stupid. Just because it's internationally known and insanely famous and so gorgeous. When we flew in on that plane this morning, I was like, ooh, it's like we're on vacation. I know. Crazy. We have a lot of homework. I know.

Okay, April 1908. At 18, she marries Richard William Grylls, I know. Crazy. We have a lot of homework. I know. Okay. April, 1908. At 18, she marries Richard William Grylls, hence her last name. He's a laborer. They have five sons and a daughter. And then in, so she has a bunch of kids. In 1948, Carolyn inherited and moved into her father's home in Bladesville. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm like a kindergadesville. Thank you. Thank you. I'm like a kindergartner who wants applause when she pee-pees or whatever. She's known as Auntie Carrie by her extensive family. She's a short... Okay, here's how they fucking... I'll tell you later.

Like backstage? She's an old woman because 68 is old then but actually let's have a photo of her because she looks this is her i know kitty right fun she looks like your grandma she looks god she has great teeth she really does really nice teeth nice teeth she looks like she could be my mom's mom and my my mom is older than her. Because, like, back then, it was like, you're done. Yeah. At, like, 50.

Back then, it was like, you're 17, you have your six children, and then you immediately look like that. There was no preventative creams back then. Cold cream all over the place. Yeah. Okay. Just a lot of dust. So she frequently visited her in-laws and friends making tea, cakes, and biscuits for them. Uh-oh. No, don't say uh. Uh-oh. Remember the

poisoner at the top of this thing? Guess who it is. It's Great Teeth Johnson. Oh, you know what? What? Her last name is Grills. She's got a great grill. Thank you. This is the joy of comedy. This is what it can be like. Wait a second. Is it Grills like Bear Grills? The guy that fucking climbs all over the place and survives?

No. No wide. Isn't he a wide? Yeah, he is a wide. No, grill. Like straight up grill. Oh, great. Legit grill. Yeah. Okay. No fucking round. Yeah. In 1947, her 87-year-old stepmother, Christine Mickelson, becomes ill with symptoms of hair loss, nervous disorders, progressive blindness,

and loss of speech, and eventually dies while under Aunt Carrie's care. Throughout 1941 and 42, various family members become ill, including a bunch of family members, but all survive. Then in January 1948, a relation of her husband, Angela Thomas, also becomes ill and dies of the same symptoms, followed by her husband's brother-in-law. So I guess it's her brother-in-law, right? Yeah. It would be her brother. Her husband's brother-in-law is her brother. No, it could be her husband's sister's husband.

Right? No. Okay. Listen, nobody remembers this, so we're changing it. Yeah. To whatever we want. If you care, go on to Ancestry.com and figure it out yourself. Okay.

John Lundberg, he dies in late 48, and one of her stepmother's friends and sister-in-law, I'm not going to go there, Mary Ann Mickelson dies the following year. But presumably Auntie Carrie goes on making cakes and tea and shit until, I wrote that, cakes and tea and shit until September 1952, Yvonne Fletcher, a housewife and mother of two from the inner city, inner sub-Syd Sydney suburb of Newton, is charged... Newtown! Newtown!

It's Newton! Don't laugh at me. This can't turn into a call and response of town names. That cheer was insane. Can I remind everyone that I got yelled at last night? And I cried.

So I'm going to be on edge a little bit. And that includes pronouncing shit wrong. Let's just pretend that that's why I'm doing that. I think that's why they were like a fucking football stadium just now cheering for that correct town name pronunciation. I made pee-pee in the potty, and they're proud of me. We support you, Georgia! Thank you!

Cakes and cheese. we support you georgia cakes and teas newtown you know yep every time now was charged and tried for the murders of so this chick fucking turns out kills both of her husbands with this poison called thallium so it's a rat bait poison. Um, cause rats were fucking everywhere in Sydney after world war two, they were 1.2 million rats just in Sydney. Um, and from, and so give it up for rats. And then, so there was this rat bait and there was like, put it in, put it in bread and sprinkle it around your house and you'll kill rats where the babies are crawling yeah okay yeah um but it was this crazy poison and people were like oh you can buy it at the store i'm pissed at my two husbands and then um they say that at least 55 people were poisoned by thallium 10 of which died, as far as I know, because they weren't doing toxicology shit back then, right?

Because it was almost untraceable. You mean by her? No, no, no, no, no. Like in general. And so this one case got really big. And then, okay, and it caused symptoms where thallium poisoning were loss of hair, nervous disorders, progressive blindness, loss of speech, organ failure, and eventual death.

Remember that from the beginning? Yes. Oh my God. Are you putting it together? I kind of am. It feels like someone's a poisoner. I think we have another photo just for the fuck of it. Let's see.

Oh, that's when she got arrested. Never mind. Spoiler alert. That's that time she put... Oh, look at that house dress. Steven, I didn't tell you to put that up. Wait, was that her? Yeah.

That was a good dress. I'm sorry. Don't be sorry. Be happy. Okay. Because of the widespread media coverage, so this chick kills a bunch of people, gets all over the papers,

a dude named John Downey, who's related to our friend Aunt Carrie, read this story in a newspaper and was like, hmm, those sound like really familiar symptoms that I've had myself when I hung out and ate Auntie Carrie's cakes and shit. Uh-oh. And his aunt or something, it was a long time ago,

Evelyn Lundberg also had all these symptoms, and she had even gone blind. Wow. But she didn't die? No. So on May 11th. That's my birthday. Oh, shit, that's right. That's okay.

We always have to do that. Even in the middle of a, not this one, like a word. June 8th! Oh man! Anyway, when I sent Steven some horrible thing that had a date on it the other day, it was like, and this is the day this person was decapitated. And he was like, my birthday!

You just can't help yourself. I know. They got decapitated 88 years ago on my birthday. Yeah. I wonder what I was doing that day. Okay, so he goes over to Aunt Carrie's house and is like super suspicious of her. She's bringing tea and cakes and stuff out.

And he sees her take something out of her pocket and put it in the tea. So he becomes a street magician and whoop whoop whoop switches him around, switch switch switch takes the tea that he saw her lace, pours it in what I'm assuming is a bottle, I don't know

and fucking takes it home with him, brings it to the police and they test it. Whoa. Poison is in it. Shocker. Shocking. Nobody saw that one coming. Um, so then they also take her beautiful house dress and there's, they find traces of thallium in the pockets. So pocketful of thallium. Don't ruin house dresses for us, please. It's all I have. You can put so much shit in house

dresses. Oh, my God. A coroner's inquest, a bunch of witnesses recalled her bringing them drinks and how eager she was to help preparing food and tea. I'll do it! I got it! I got it! I want to kill everybody! Nobody wants to help

in the kitchen. It's a thing you offer and hope people are like, no, no, I got it. So you should be suspicious of someone who's like, I want to help! You know, it's like, no you don't. The game's on. What are you doing? Yeah, calm down.

Go eat, what do they have? Go eat dip. Okay. So at 63 years old, she's arrested and charged with the attempted murder of her sister-in-law, who's now blind, and her daughter, the sister-in-law, who's now blind, and her daughter, her, the sister-in-law's daughter. Her niece. Both. Huh? Thank you. I'm, I'm big picturing,

you're in the details, and I'm out here watching all of it. You didn't read 18 articles and copy and paste most of it. No, this is all new to me. Yeah. Okay, so she's arrested, and investigators also exhumed a bunch of those bodies from before, and they found traces of thallium in two of them, and the others had been cremated, so they couldn't be tested. So the coroner found her responsible for several deaths. Can they do that? That's how they used to do it, I think, back then. Okay.

Coroner's inquest. There's a book. Never mind. I know I'm not going to remember it. It's called the dictionary. The Bible? What's that book? Da Vinci Code.

That's it. There it is. She's charged with the murders of Mary Mickelson, who was 60, Christina Mickelson, who was 87, and Angelina Thompson, who was 84. And at her trial, she professed her innocence. She said police had pressured her relatives to convict her. The ones that were still living. Yeah.

And that she, quote, helped to live, not to kill. What? I helped people live. I didn't kill them. And yet they're dead. Yeah. And then she was laughing at half the trial.

She was just like a little nutso about it. Well, she was excited to be out in her house dress. Sure. And in the end, the cases are dropped, and she's only convicted on the attempted murder of Mrs. Lundberg, so the woman who went blind, in October 1953. Because they could basically only deal with what was

happening to the survivors. I guess. Yes. I'm sorry. What was the time for it? Was it over years that she was doing it? It started in 1940 something. Say seven. Let's go seven.

I think 41 is when it started but somehow in 1953 okay and so another one in 1953 bob lullum he's an australian rugby football fucking player but like star i was waving my arms in the air. How did you not get that? Referee? No. This is big time. This is big timer. Star. Okay, now I know.

Yeah. I just have to say this, just as a sidebar. The first day we got here, I turned the TV on in my hotel room, and there was a rugby game on. Oh, my God. Yeah. Have you ever seen that shit? You guys.

Oh, my God. Yeah. ever seen that shit? You guys! Oh my god. Yeah, they're, they pull each other's hair! Big boys just pulling on each other. It's crazy. It is hot stuff. Mute that shit, keep it on in the background. That's nice. Congratulations. You get that all the time. I'd never, I'd never, I didn't realize I was such a fan

see it scared me it did? yeah because I'm scared of everything everything how about a nice big thigh I know what that mime was. Piles of thighs.

Okay. So much sweat. That's bad for you. Yeah, I'm not into that. Okay, all right. Sweat in the thighs. Not my thing. Yes, yes, and yes.

Okay. It's like we're two different people. I mean, we seem to be different. Okay, so this dude's mother-in-law tried to poison, who he was having a sexual relationship with. Re-clarify this. Mother-in-law is correct in this part. His wife's hot mom, I wish I didn't. Nope, don't

look over there. His wife's hot mom and he were hooking up. What? And she tried to poison him. She was like, you're cheating on my daughter. I'm putting poison in you. I'm making this part up. I'm guessing that's what the thing is. Yeah. But also it's with me. I don't know the logic

here. Shit. Yeah. This story has everything. I mean thighs. That's my part. I don't know the logic here. Shit. This jury has everything. I mean, thighs. That's my part. That's it. He lives and soon afterwards Thallium is banned from sale. So the

jury deliberated for our aunt over here. She's sentenced to death and later commuted to life in prison. She becomes known as Aunt Thally in prison. Auntie Thally in prison. It sounds like, in a loving way, I think the other inmates liked her.

It also sounds like they're trying to say Aunt Sally, but they have a lisp. Or they're a five-year-old child in prison she in 1960 she died in um of uh you know old stuff yep uh less than seven years after her trial in the end nobody fucking knows her motives and people who thought it was revenge or envy or anger. And the dude said seven people were recipients of charity and kindness from Aunt Carrie. And they

all died or suffered the nasty effects of thallium poisoning. She had maybe financial benefit to games, sometimes none, and no one ever fucking figured out her motives. Wow. So that's our friend Aunt Sally. Wow, Aunt Sally. Aunt Sally.

Thank you. Oh! Man, I got to get my allergies taken care of. This sound guy almost shat his pants just now. Steven! Steven, you broke the mic. Well, that was crazy. Mine is similarly old and similarly crazy.

I'm going to do the shark arm murders. Man, I was so bummed today when I text Steven. Hey, can I do the shark arm murders? Oh, get town he said it's off limits sorry and when you see that when you're like yes such a bummer yeah because we have to check with him to make sure the other one isn't doing it because we don't know what murders we're doing except for tonight when I know what Karen's doing uh well it also in the car she goes you're doing my backup murder. It's my front-up murder, girl. You just make a list of 20 murders.

You're like, sorry, that's mine. You took it. That's mine. Well, this one is, I have to say, I think of all the murders I've ever read or done. It just has so much shit going on. That's so... It's beyond and yet... I actually, I just saw

Shark Arm Murder and I was like, I'm going to do that so I don't know a lot about it. Oh, really? You just looked at the title? So I'm going to sit back. That would have been better if it had worked. I'm going to sit back. No, that's. And then tip it this way. And then fall. Flatten it down. Roll yourself up in the rug. It's really funny because this, somewhere along the line, this rug got put into our writer as

like, this is the stage design for us and that means that everywhere we go somebody has to buy a rug yeah and then like carry it around all the time and someone gets like at the venues like oh we don't have a rug we're really mad at us yeah you're like sorry about the rug and we're just like we don't we don't give a fuck about the rug anyway that we're divas that was just a bit of a behind the scenes for you. About the rug.

Tonight you guys get to know all the shit. Tonight, tonight, tonight. Okay. April 17th, thank you,

1935. A fisherman hooks a small shark off of what I'm imagining to be pronounced Coogie Beach. No? Yeah?

By the laughter, I'm going to guess no. Koogee! Koogee Beach? Oh, I see. This is a sexy country. Koogee Beach. All right.

You guys said it i mean okay listen to this shit this fisherman catches a shark right kind of small and as he's reeling the small shark in a huge shark jumps up and eats the smaller shark and so then the fisherman hauls the huge shark in alive wow this is the shit that would go fucking viral if he had a camera back then can you imagine yes that coochie beach fisherman would be a billionaire yeah he'd be at the youtube the YouTube convention. Yeah. Okay, so that alone, we're in again, if this was a movie and that's the first scene,

you're not leaving that seat. You're like, whoever this director is, you're my favorite artist of all time. Like, that wouldn't happen. No. Oh, my God, I can't believe I caught such a small shark. Holy shit, Jaws is here chomp so what they do is it's almost um it's coming up on uh on Anzac Day and Anzac Day in Australia is um it basically

is honors all the soldiers that went off to World War I from New Zealand and from Australia. And it's a big holiday weekend. So in 1935, the Coochie Aquarium baths... Oh, do we have the picture of the Coochie Aquarium baths, Stephen? We do. So, they were like...

It was like a big, fancy complex. Hold up. I see the word refreshments. I see the word rooms i see the words boiling water oh oh yeah they had so much boiling water there what was awesome i wonder what the refreshments were it was boiling water you could have all the boiling water you could drink but you had to drink it right by the stove. While it was boiling. So that's why they weren't doing very good business.

No, not really. Okay, so there's been shark attacks all along the coast. And in 1935, in the end of February, in the beginning of March, three different young men were killed by sharks on the coast. So they had people out trying to catch and kill sharks all the time. They were like, guys, just leave them alone. Enemy number one. What, sharks? Yeah, stay out of the fucking ocean. I love that where they're like, we're going to take care of this shark problem

by killing three sharks or whatever. Like, there's so many more. Yeah, exactly. It's a hard one to solve when they've been around for 80 million years. And they don't need to change because they're perfect fucking monsters. Killing machines. They have so many rows of teeth. Oh, my God.

Steve and I started getting into this thing today. He started sending me pictures of sharks with human teeth. Have you ever seen those? It's the best thing of all time. No, do you want to see a picture? No, I don't think so. You don't have one, Stephen. I mean, you can just imagine it's like a shark picture coming at you

with the crazy fucking pointed teeth, rows, rows, rows. But instead of that, it's like Taylor Swift's teeth. So it's like... It's like... Oh my God, I need to see that. It's fucking hilarious. Anyway, we had a great time, guys. So anyway,

the owner of the coochie baths was like, business is slow because there's been these shark attacks. But we've got this big holiday weekend coming up. I'm going to fucking get that big ass shark that that guy just caught, stick him in inside the baths. Can you show the inside of the bath? Because he's alive, right?

The shark? It's still alive. Okay. So they decide they're going to put it. So that's the baths. It's all saltwater. The saltwater is coming in from the ocean. Oh, I want to go in there.

And people go and swim in saltwater. Dude. They have the same thing in San Francisco, the Sutro Bath. It was right on the coast. Okay, so, Stephen. So they take the shark and they put it in the pool so people can come pay money

and look at the thing that's killing people in the water. Can they swim with him? Let's see that one, the shark, Stephen. I want to swim with him. No, people just stood around and said. He's pretty big. He's pretty big. He was what you like to say down here, four meters long.

Oh, that sounds huge. Four meters and one ton with two N's and an E. What a measurement. what a measurement. So, so this poor shark is, so at first when he's there, he's there for a week and the beginning is swimming around and everyone's freaking out and paying money and everything's working out great. Um, but after a week, the shark starts acting strangely. It's moving slowly. It seems disoriented. It seems sick. And then on Anzac Day at 4.30 PM, there's a small crowd in the baths watching the shark and the shark goes into a frenzy. And then as it's quoted here, I got all this information from the Sydney Crime Museum website and the dictionary of sydney.org. And of course our Wikipedia, um, uh Wikipedia starts to go crazy. And then it starts vomiting copiously is the quote.

And out of its stomach come a rat, a rat, a rat, a bird, the remains of the smaller shark that he ate earlier. And then the big surprise, a severed human arm so those people standing around at the coochie bath there okay there's the arm no yeah look at his Dukes the guy his tattoos Dukes are up well here's the thing the arm has a very distinctive tattoo of two boxers warming up together. Two boxers boxing on the arm. We need to each get that one tattoo. Should we get it? I get one boxer and you get the other?

Or should we get a tattoo of a severed arm with boxers on the arm? You know someone has that somewhere. I hope so. Okay. So now I'm only halfway down the first page of the story. That's all I'd like to say right now. We've already got a double shark attack. And then the shark barfs in front of everybody, a paying audience, which I would have loved.

And he barfs up a human arm. So they call the police. They get the arm out of the pool. so they call the police they get the arm out of the pool they uh take it to inspect it and they notice that it is not um the remnants of the shark having eaten a person because the arm has been severed not bitten i didn't know this yeah so now they know something's going on and they have to look into it okay so then they take the arm down to the police station. I'm assuming I'm not, I, they, they fingerprint the hand of the arm. Oh my God. Uh-huh. And, um, and they find out, uh, that it belongs to a billiard, a former boxer, billiards hall owner and small time criminal, Jim Jim Smith who had been missing since April 7th. How long was that? April 25th is Anzac Day so you do the math because I can't. Smith also lived in Balmain. Hey! Bal-mon?

Hey. Beaumont. Look, listen. Look and listen and spell your cities correctly. We just, I think everywhere we go, we're going to have to sit down with a native for like two hours before we go out on stage. Two minutes, really. I mean, we don't need to take that much

time to ask a person at the front desk of the hotel. Cut into that mascara time for just a little bit. How do we say this word? Belvedere. Okay, got it. And then we do things correctly at the show. Listen, Jim Smith lived in that town with his wife and child

and we're just going to start saying that town. And his billiards hall, as they were back then, was a, quote, seedy type of place where vice flourished. Sounds fun. Fun. Lots of rugby. So Jim Smith was also a police informant, or what they call a fizz gig, or a fizzer.

What? That's cute, you guys. Isn't that precious? I like that. Okay, so they look into his situation and they find that either it is Billiards Hall or the other place he works, which was called the Tattersall's Club,

he had fell in with a criminal doing business with a criminal named Reginald Holmes. Let's take a look at Reginald Holmes. He's a classy kind of criminal. Oh, fuck! Good day, good day to you, sir. Everything about him. Reginald has a whole box of pinky rings

that he keeps on his dresser. Those teeth have to be put in every morning and taken out every night, for sure. They're kind of. And sometimes when he talks and he's drunk, they come out. Like for sure. They just slip down a tiny bit.

Or at least the two front teeth. You know how they, what do they call this? Anyways, flippers. Anyways. Also, I think Steven needs a pencil thin mustache. I think that needs to be the next direction he takes it. Yeah. It's effective.

Okay. All right. So that's Reginald Holmes. And he was a, from a, um, a family of very successful boat makers. And, um, he was rich. He had a big mansion at McMahon's point. Um, his business was in Lavender Bay and all your favorite places. Um, and, uh, he has a wife, two children. He's a regular at the Royal Sydney Yacht Club. He's a pillar of the local Presbyterian church. But he was also a smuggler and a fraudster, as they call him.

So what he would do was he hired men to drive motorboats out to sea that would pick up packages that sailors would throw off of boats and the packages would be full of cocaine or they would be full of cigarettes or they would be full of other things that you weren't allowed to have. There's some straight fucking Boardwalk Empire shit right here.

Yes. You guys seen this? Yeah. This guy's nookie. Watch it. It's a fucking great show. Reg. So Jim Smith drove one of those boats.

So that's how they all kind of know each other. And so, that's the cops are starting to find all of this out. And they also find out that the two, Reg and Jim, had started a racket with a convicted forger named Patrick Brady. Here's Patrick Brady. Not, I wouldn't say as much of a classy gent as Reg. Probably didn't go to the yacht club that much. Just this is very superficial. But old Pat Brady, I think, was like the whiskey.

Nice head of hair, though. You know what I mean? He was good at drawing because he was a forger. Oh, yeah. So he was probably smart, real sharp. But I bet he had a forger. Oh yeah. So he's probably smart, real sharp. Uh, but I bet he had a foul mouth. All right. So the three of them are doing this thing where Patrick Brady makes checks and, um, the, he would get, they would get the name of Reg's fancy friends and the people that he would make boats for and they would make fake checks and then uh i believe jim smith would go cash those checks and um so they were in that uh a ring of

deceit and deception i don't know what i'm saying um but apparently and the police find out that jim started blackmailing reginald hol Holmes and obviously was not a good idea. So on April 7th, 1935, Jim Smith tells his wife that he's going to go fishing, but instead he went and played cards with Patrick Brady at the Cecil hotel in Cronulla. Fuck yes.

Good job. Yes. Good job. Thank you so much. Uh, it felt good. It was like, I just didn't think about it.

I just was like, I'll just say it. I don't want to overthink it. Because you get, we're starting to get like scared of saying places. I'm scared of words and letters. I mean, numbers don't get me started on numbers. Oh my God, maps? I can't even. No.

Okay. So he lies, this is what I love. He lies to his wife, says he's going to go fishing, and instead he goes and plays cards. Wow he lies. This is what I love. He lies to his wife. It says he's going to go fishing and instead he goes and plays cards. Wow. Yeah. Roll those dice. Yeah. Um, so, uh, Patrick Brady had a rented cottage nearby where they were drinking and playing cards. And, uh, that comes into play later. So a taxi driver testifies that he picked up Patrick Brady from Canola and he drove him to Reginald Holmes' house at 3 Bayview Street at McMahon's Point, apparently a very nice area, or was in 1935,

and on the same day that Jim Smith went missing. And the cab driver said, quote, he was disheveled. He had a hand in his pocket that he wouldn't take out. What do you think is in there? Like an arm? His hand was holding down an arm. No. I don't know. What if he cut the bottom

out of his pocket and he was holding hands with the arm? No. This is a criminal. You have to think like a criminal. out of his pocket and he was holding hands with the arm. Oh, no. This is a criminal. You have to think like a criminal. Okay. So, uh, so Patrick Brady's arrested. So they get that testimony.

They arrest Patrick Brady on May 16th. They charge him with the murder of Jim Smith. When the police bring in Reginald Holmes to question him because they know he's in the circuit, Reg says he's never met Patrick Beatty. He doesn't know who they're talking about. So he ends up, they end up letting him go. They don't have anything to hold him on. So he leaves,

goes home. Four days later, May 20th, he goes into his boat shed and attempts suicide by shooting himself in the head with a.32. Reginald does? Reginald does. Richie? Richie Rich.

Reginald. Okay. But here's the thing. The bullet flattened against the bone in his forehead. What? And so he was merely stunned. What? Did you make that up?

I wish I did. It would be such good writing. Wow, that's some forehead. I mean, that's like a fucking plate. So he stuns himself by shooting himself in the fucking head. It's stunning. It's stunning. It is stunning.

He falls in, he's like in his boat or whatever. He falls into the water. He falls into the water. The water revives him from a bullet to the head. He falls into the water. The water revives him from a bullet to the head. And he comes to, he gets into his boat, and he starts driving around Sydney Harbour.

He disrupts the ferry services. Do you think he's just screaming? Yeah. Ah! The fuck is this happening? God's don't work on my head! That's what I'd be yelling. I'm invincible! You fucking come at me me you sons of bitches

he does this for four hours shit i mean what would you do right who among us would lose their shit who among us is right he finally takes out of the harbor, goes two kilometers out to sea, and he finally just stops. He allows the police to come on board. And he says to the police, Jimmy Smith is dead and there's only another left. If you leave me until tonight, I will finish him. Oh, okay. Cops were like, sure.

So it's like, we suspect suspect we're the police and we suspect you of being involved in a murder and then you're like look i don't know that guy but if you just give me a day i'll kill him yeah reg yeah reg get your shit together yeah what'd you what'd you get the fucking concussion when you shot yourself in the head what did that somehow affect you mentally that you shot yourself right in the fucking head okay so there's an empty bottle of brandy in the boat of course could have had something to do with it but also could have been a bullet to the head. So Detective Sergeant Frank Matthews questions Reg and

he says he spills it. He says Patrick Brady killed Jim Smith, dismembered his body, put it in a trunk and threw it into Gunnamatta Bay. Nobody knows what that is. I know. Everybody's like, we don't have that

here. You got that from the wrong know. Everybody's like, we don't have that here. You got that from the wrong article. Yeah. We go to a different bay. That's not our bay. That's not our bay. They call that putting a body onto a trunk and throwing it into the bay. They call that a Sydney send off.

Oh, my God. It's not an accusation. I got it. I got it from sydneydictionary.org. Wow. Not even.com. That's a.org. So they know what they're talking about. Slash AU?

Slash EDU. Okay. So. Go on. Tell me more. This is fucking crazy. It's insane. So then he claimed that Patrick Brady

came to his house showed him Smith's severed arm hey but I did back in the pocket and then oh my god and then threatened Holmes

with murder if he did not immediately receive $500. Wait. Oh, hey, I have the earrings on, too. I forgot. Go on. What doesn't this story have that you're not completely focused on everything i i can't give you more than this no story will ever be more interesting and you're fucking touching your earrings listen attention span of a three-year-old right here go Go on. I'm sorry. I'm here with you.

I'm here with you. Please. I'm supporting you. Okay. They start up a coroner's inquest in mine as well as yours. Okay. That's how I knew what one was. Yeah. Okay.

So the day before the coroner's inquest, Reg Holmes withdraws $500 from his bank account. And in late in the evening he tells his wife that he has to go meet someone they lie to their wives so much in 1935 maybe if you were honest to your wife his wife's like get out of here his forehead is so hard you can go anywhere you want

get away from me you're like a monster you can go anywhere you want get away from me lie to me you're like a monster okay early the next morning which is the day of the coroner's inquest June 11th 1935 Reginald Holmes is found dead in the driver's seat of his Nash sedan

with three gunshot wounds to the chest oh no and he is the inquest star witness he wasn't invincible. He isn't invincible. Well, they didn't get him here. Right. But he was never offered police protection. Oh no.

So there's a guy named Alex Castles who's a professor and he wrote a book in 1995 called The Shark Arm Murders, which everyone should read. I definitely am going to. Just to see if it's actually real. It would be amazing if the sydneydictionary.org was just a prank website.

And everyone here knew it. Yeah, exactly. They're like, she fucking fell for it. That's my little brother. Are you stupid? But Professor Castles believes that Reginald Holmes took out a contract on his own life because to spare his family the shame of him going to jail. Oh.

That's his theory. Okay. Because the crime scene was made to appear like Holmes had committed suicide, except for there were three bullet wounds in his chest. Yeah. Yeah. That would, you'd have to really be fucking dedicated.

Yeah. Just one more. Yeah. He's like, I've tried this before, it didn't work. I'm going to triple down on this one. I'm just really going to focus. Yeah. And I'm going to just set my intention.

I'm going to do some slight yogic breathing. Okay, the police have no doubt that he's been murdered. Right. Because, um, uh... He's shot three times. Well, yes, and... But also, they find out that Jim Smith, they believe that Jim Smith was killed by Patrick Brady

on the orders of gangland figure Eddie Wyman, who was arrested while attempting to forge a check in 1934, the year before. And the reason he got arrested was because of a tip that Jim Smith had given to the police because he was a... This gig. Disinformant.

Fine, listen. That's fine. We're on the same wavelength. So, when that happens and Jim Smith is exposed as a police informant, all of the seedy underworld billiards hall

denizens know that he's a stool pigeon and he basically has a target on his very soft forehead. Yes. right at the top of his arm. Okay, so here's the thing. The inquest starts on June 12, 1935, but the case against Patrick Brady falls apart because there's no evidence. So Brady's lawyer, Clive Evett, actually claimed there was not enough substance to even begin the inquest. He argued that

an arm, quote, does not constitute a body, which you can't argue with that. It's just part. And that Jim Smith minus his arm could very well be alive somewhere else, which is true. What if he was like, oh, buddy, they're going to come after me.

Take my arm. I'm going to get the fuck out of here. You keep this. You show them my arm. Then do a bunch of other crazy shit. Then do whatever the fuck you want, man. Do what you want. I never liked this tattoo anyway.

It's too big. I'm not that into boxing. I was drunk and my friend made me do it. Yep. Brady is found guilty and acquitted. I mean, sorry, not guilty and acquitted. That's the craziest part of the story. He's found guilty and immediately acquitted.

So for the next 30 years, Patrick Brady steadfastly maintained he was in no way connected to the murder of Jim Smith. And he died in Sydney on April 18th 1965 at the age of 76 Reginald Holmes was cremated on June 13th 1935 and he left an estate

valued at over $34,000 in 1935 which today is millions of dollars Man, I would be a millionaire back then. Yeah? Not really. I'll just be like, doing okay. Just tell them how much money you have. I know.

Right? Well, I'm giving it all to a fucking hurricane, so calm down. What if I just threw it into a hurricane? I hope they're giving some money to the hurricane. Here. Pay off the hurricane.

Get out of here. You guys may have already read this, but this is something like on our Twitter that everyone's retweeting, because you may have known this, but the state of Florida actually had to put out a warning to its citizens not to shoot at the hurricane.

Yeah. That's where we live. Can someone, can we live here, please? You can yell at us all you want, just as long as no one shoots us. And even though the Navy and the Air Force searched Port Hacking and Gunnamatta Bay the thing you deny exists but I insist is real they never found the rest of Jim Smith's body

so he could be alive but they don't know that's it that's the armed shark shark arm murder that crazy was fun full of twists and turns Shark Arm Murder. That was fun, full of twists and turns,

nothing too controversial for a true crime podcast. Yeah. Do we? Should we? Can we? Let's do some hometowns.

Take a bow. What if I just threw up immediately? Oh, my God, it's over. Thank God. I let Karen choose. Oh, right. We got a fun tweet, and there's someone who made us a very great and specific offer. I think her name is Jo.

Are you still here? Are you here? and we want, there's someone who made us a very great and specific offer. I think her name is Joe. Do you, are you still here? Are you here? Kenya Moonwalking is your name, Joe? Yes. Can you please come up here? Yep. I see her. There's a door with a, you have to go to that door wherever you are. See that husband of mine? Wave to them, Vince. No, you don't have to do it. I don't want to see you. Are you, Are you here? Is she there? She's coming. I see her. Does anyone see her?

Let her get by. Is she moving? Move your knees. Is anything happening? Can she have me? Don't spill popcorn. Is there some kind of action so that we feel?

She's going to come behind you, Stephen. Stephen, get ready. Be polite, Stephen, and find out her name. We're trying to teach him manners, but he's a millennial. And you guys know how those are. Yeah, there she is. Hey, there she is.

Yeah. Hi, Jo. You didn't think we'd take you up. I remembered it. Hi. Georgia. It looks like you brought your own microphone. That'd be amazing.

That's what I do. Does it work? Does it work? Is it on? Yeah. If you're going to threaten us with a good time. Oh, it doesn't work. Thanks, David.

It was working. Does that one work? Yes. No. Okay. Well, listen, you don't need a microphone to moonwalk, so let's go ahead. Wait, really quick, though. So we were looking at Twitter, and can you just tell the people

what you tweeted at us? I already told them. I said that I'm super good at moonwalking if you get tired of talking. And we don't ever get tired of talking. I don't ever get tired of moonwalking. Yeah, but however, we like moonwalking.

We love moonwalking. We'd love to see some. Yeah. I don't know how it's going to work on the floor well what about the rug do you need to take your shoes off she's got holes in her tights yes

yes no I see it no that was super good that was great that was amazing then we were like do you have a home? No, it's not going to work here. Wait.

That wouldn't work. Okay. Do you have a hometown or do you have a really embarrassing thing that happened to you? Yeah. Well, let's hear it. Now that you're here. Oh, she is, this is a, what do they call it? A double act when someone's good at two things.

Yeah, that's right. A double act. A double act. Or a person. Yeah. A lot of people are good at two things. Well, have you met a lot of people? Have you come to Florida?

No, but I won't take a gun. Where are you from? I'm originally from French's Forest, which is near where this hometown is. And where is that? Oh, Sydney. Oh, nearby here? Sure. Well, I mean... We're, Sydney. Oh, nearby here? Sure. Well, I mean.

We're in Sydney. Compared to Florida. Okay. This was when I was, I look really young for my age. Oh. Me too. I was just out of high school in the late 80s. You do.

Thank you. Did you hear the gasps? They're buying it. They're buying it, Jo. We were, they'd been, this is John Wayne Glover, who's the granny killer. Oh, yes. Oh, I saw that one.

I was going to do that, and I'm like, I can't bear the burden. This is perfect. Someone else. I've got a twin sister. She's really pretty. I love making that joke. I get it. That's funny. Wait a second. Do you have a podcast too?

No, it's for real. Do you really? What is it? It's called Zealot and it's about cults. Are you fucking kidding? What's it called? Zealot. Zealot. Oh, that's a good one. Except my friend Alex who's here. I am so shitty becauseot oh that's a good one except my friend Alex who's here he's

I am so shitty because he came up with a much better name what is it see you last Tuesday oh my god I'm like six episodes in so I can't change it

no don't change it sorry Alex start your own podcast it's really easy anyone can do it make it about historical cunts oh my god I can't wait to

listen to the zealot zealot do it okay yeah love it i love colts i did the family i know oh okay i know i was i was kind of shitty because i'm yeah anyway um did i miss a lot of shit i know i missed julian assange was in it and I didn't say that. Yeah, no, he was. Yeah, I didn't. And have you seen photos of her now? Yes. Her hairline.

Yes. No, we saw that one. She got so many facelifts that her face now starts back here. That's rude. She's very old and dying. Okay. But she's a bad person.

Great dresser, though. Oh, my God. Such good clothes. Yeah. So, Granny Killer, we... There'd been a couple of old women killed in Mossman, which is a very ritzy suburb. This is all North Shore, where everyone's really uptight. And John Wayne Glover hated his mother, and then he got a stepmother, a mother-in-law that he also hated,

and he worked as a pie salesman. A pie? Meat pies. Oh, yeah, I know what a meat pie is. Delicious, savoury meat pies. Oh. Oh, yeah, I know what a meat pie is. Delicious, savory pastries. Got it. But like door to door or? No, nursing home to nursing home.

Oh. Oh, no. That's not a good. He hates old ladies, sells pies to their nursing homes. You'd think he'd be like, I'm going to get another job. I'm going to do something different. Nope. And old ladies started to die in the nursing homes he delivered to,

but no connection. And he even got in trouble a couple of times for, he'd just wander through the nursing homes and just feel old ladies up. He was gross. But still, no connection. Why would a pie salesman need anything interesting to happen in his life? Sorry, what year was this again? 1989.

Oh, shit. Oh, you said at the beginning because you're so young. You're so beautiful. Yeah. And he would see old ladies coming home from doing their shopping and follow them back to nearly their front door and then as they were opening the front door, hit them in the back of the head with a hammer

and then take them inside. And he wouldn't... He'd often steal just like $100, but he'd leave their jewellery. And he was basically just saying that, you know, he doesn't really know how he does it. He just hates old ladies and can't control himself. But we wanted to go, my beautiful twin sister and I, we wanted to go to, we were invited to two parties one weekend.

Wow. I know. That's how it is when you're young. That's how it is when you're young. And we weren't allowed to go to the nearby one because someone killing old ladies. We were young, though. Are you aging backwards and you looked really old then? Yes.

Got it, got it, got it, yes. And so we went to the other party in Mossman and that night he killed someone in Mossman. That afternoon he had, but we hadn't heard from it yet because 1989 we were watching Countdown, not the news. Countdown's a really cool show. Is it? Yeah. And eventually he got, they made the connection between pies and feeling up old ladies and hitting them on the head. And he would also just steal like a hundred dollars, but nothing on the head. And he'd also just steal like $100 but no jewelry. And he'd just go to the

nearby RSL. That's it. It's a place. No. I said no. We can't accept any more new information about this country. I'm sorry. We maxed out. If I don't understand, it's not true.

He'd play the pokies with old ladies' money. Pokies is a thing you do at a place. Do a lot of smackies play pokies? How many lollies can you buy? It's sort of one or the other. Got it, got it. Slot machines. Slot machines, got it, yeah.

Hello. And when he got caught, Hello. And, yeah, doubling. And when he got caught, he, apparently in jail, he just did anything to attract attention. And so he killed himself in 2005, but all his, all the fellow inmates thought he did that for attention and accidentally actually died. So, because he would do lots of things to just

say oh poor me um but he's dead amazing can you do one more moonwalk before you yeah yes okay yeah moonwalk away you guys joe everybody joe thank you so much perfection wow that is what and walk away? You guys. Joe. Everybody. Joe. Thank you so much. Perfection. Wow. That is what we're looking for. That's our hometown. Yes.

Take notes. Listen to Zealot. I can't wait. I know. Oh my God. I love a cult. Fucking cult. Oh shit.

Yeah. You guys. Wow. Thank God this went the way it did tonight. Thank you. Oh, my God. Thank you. I needed this.

We needed it. I needed a win. I needed a cry of joy and not fear, just not outright fear. Well, here's the thing, though. We're so spoiled. Oh, my God. Because every show pretty much we've ever done and especially every show on this run here in your gorgeous country has been amazing amazing incredible amazing like insanely

polite audiences insanely responsive audiences everyone gets it everyone's funny everyone knows what's going on so who gives a shit what happened you know what i mean like you guys just reset us thank you so much thank you so much thank you uh the support of the people who listen to this podcast makes me feel so much joy it makes us both in awe and every fucking day we're we listen we're divas but we know how lucky we are it's crazy and uh and but also it's like we just it's just that thing where we're very lucky in that we hit a thing that galvanized a bunch of people but it's your guys's thing yeah you know what i mean it's it's we all just have the same interest and we're just lucky enough to be the ones talking about it thank you so much for listening to us thank you so much for your support from

the bottom of our heart this was an amazing show amazing and we just like you listen all we want is for you to stay sexy and don't get mad bye Sydney Bye Sydney. Thank you.