My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 87 - Hither And Yon

Episode Date: September 21, 2017

This week on My Favorite Murder, Karen and Georgia cover Jack Gilbert Graham and the Son Of Sam. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And welcome. And we are finally back in my apartment. Yeah, this is quite an adjustment. I know. I'm like, I've been really looking forward to this to just be like in our element i was gonna clean up the podcast loft what happened it i mean all you should do is look at it to know what happened it's like a fucking bomb went off in there an australian gift bomb australian gift bomb a we watch wrestling fucking merch bomb oh shit there's

empty fucking sparklets bottles up there i always forget that there's two podcasts being being beamed out of this apartment yeah so there's a lot there's a lot going on not just us yeah and both vince and i like are the keepers of the things so it's just and you know there's also cat barf i'm'm going to be honest right now. Okay. Yeah. Good. I welcome that honesty. Yeah. Um, I don't have a cat barf, a colon in my house at the moment, although I did open the door to a new dot.

My dog Walker went on vacation and she told me she had a replacement, but she didn't say the replacement was automatically coming. She just gave me the number of the person I could call. And so like 11 in the morning while I was wearing uh when i wear my black pajamas they become black with white yeah hair pajamas and i was sitting there working on something and the doorbell rang and i was like what could possibly be happening right now it's not the worst feeling when the doorbell rings it's the worst i sneak to the door quietly and look out the thing people and then i'm like uh-uh yeah but like i'm like front door on the sidewalk so it's

whoever and a lot of times it's people who are um shilling for a church or real estate agency hey are you thinking about selling your house hey i think you should sell this piece of shit house and get out from get out from underwater um it's usually that one time it was the bug man did i tell you about that when i opened the door and the guy goes hey i just wanted to introduce myself um and then he stood back a little bit and goes the bug man and i just shut the door because he was like he started to say my neighbors used him to like an exterminator or something but he he was really young and good looking. And he had like a uniform on.

And I was just like, get out of here. Don't try to charm me. You're going to bug charm me. Like, no, never, never. So this time was weird because it was two beautiful Northern European looking people with accents. Oh my God. So I was like, and George immediately goes out because they have the, the open this is a boring story but long and short of it is i met the

dog walker that i had no intention of calling because i didn't want to talk to a new person i have to make some kind of a new connection now i was gonna be like fine i'll do it myself yeah and then they she she has showed up now every day to like it is her passion you can't tell her like leave me alone. No, she's already, they've already been in. They've seen the worst of the worst. It's a thing where you like know that someone's counting on the money that you're paying them. Yeah, I've been in that position.

Where you're going to show up no matter what. Where I thought that I was getting this much money this week from this job that I thought I had. And then someone tells you you're not and you're so broke that you're like, well, now I thought I could cover rent and I can't like that's happened to me. And I burst into tears because I was like, you canceled on me and now I'm fucked. So what you went and did something? No, no, I never did it. But it's like, I don't I wouldn't want to disappoint. I wouldn't want to do that to someone who's like, Hi, I'm here like I'm supposed to be like, no, actually, can take this week off. Yeah. I mean, I can't imagine anyone do that to someone who's like, hi, I'm here like I'm supposed to be. And you're like, no, actually, can you take this week off?

Yeah. I mean, I can't imagine anyone's paying rent with like dog walking. I don't know if that's a good plan. Although I have to say my dog walker makes bank because she has a bunch of dogs aside from my two. And she does stuff like stays the night for a slightly higher rate. That's where the money is yeah yeah well anyway so i didn't i didn't take away i didn't take away your rent i let her and her husband come in and take my dog that's good of you that's really good of you uh-huh a mitzvah

it didn't feel great though because it was like i was hiring beautiful right Right. I think they're Danish people. Love Danish. To walk my pets while I sit home like a little pile of dirty laundry and write on my computer. Love it. Right. Can I do housekeeping? Sure. I bet we have a lot.

Yeah. Really quickly for the tour. We're going on this tour now. It started in Australia and who knows where. And who knows when. And who knows when and what and how. And why. And why.

And it could be. I mean, stay tuned. I mean. So the two that I want to mention. We have a late show in Detroit that's coming up on the 29th. Still tickets for the late show? Still tickets for the late show. Oh, nice. that's coming up on the 29th uh and still tickets for the late show still tickets for the late show oh nice and then toronto uh they're on the 30th there's still a couple tickets for that and then

so if you go to my favorite murder.com slash live i'm not gonna fucking say the dates i'm gonna tell if you hear your city go to my favorite murder.com slash live because nobody wants to fucking listen to this san diego anaheim minneapolis madison Wisconsin, Tampa, Houston, Dallas, St. Louis, and Kansas City. If you've heard, if I've called your name, go to the fucking. They all have tickets left? Yeah. Oh, wow.

Not a ton. So, these people get so mad at us that it sells out, but. I know. That's what I'm saying. You're kind of really walking that line of like, I can't imagine. Well, we'll see. You know what? Maybe you don't want to come.

That's okay. Here's the thing. You don't have to have to come maybe you have anxiety a lot of shit goes down i mean what we can guarantee you is an eventful you never know night you know what's cool about that is like i have an issue with going to any i maybe more so when i was younger like any event alone like just showing up anywhere alone freaked me out i've seen a movie alone once like as an experiment because i was so scared and i ran to my fucking ex-boyfriend with his girlfriend there so like that's how great it was what movie was it it was there will be blood which is like a movie you don't want to watch alone like you need to talk to someone about it yeah there's a lot there's a lot that was the only time i've ever gone to a movie alone

you could hide behind because it's like a good movie yeah with a good director so you could be like oh i just had to see this film or i could be like i was with my friend but they got triggered and ran out yeah that's right i just ran they hate milk and milkshakes and lots of things um so yeah so people are always people who we meet at the shows tell us that they came alone. Yeah, it's such an event because so many people have anxiety and they're like, and it was incredible. And I met awesome people. Yeah, that's true.

That to me is like the people who are scared of coming alone. Like you're going to be sat next to someone who you're going to be best friends with. It's really true. Yeah. It's just everyone. We're all and then because everyone's the same pretty much oh my god same has the same feel of person it's hilarious to me and also when people tell us they're alone when they come to meet us at the meet and greet i always go there'll be somebody that's alone and

they'll be like that girl over there's right we always like yell over of like go talk to her and like if you wear like a shirt that's like funny that like relates to something murdery someone's gonna come up to you like where did you get that be my best friend someone had a shirt shirt on one of the meet and greets that said the husband did it did i talk about this and i bought us both i bought us both and yeah because that was the best shirt and i worked at therapy just to be like here's who i am. In your face. And then my therapist, this is how fucking sweet he is. He was like, oh, well, yeah, it's always the husband's fault. And I'm like, no, the husband murdered the wife.

He just didn't get my point. Oh, he thought it meant like fighting. Yeah. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And in fact, I bought a car this week. Oh, yeah. Yesterday, which was like exciting on a lot of levels and scary. And the car dealer was like a super normal dude.

And we were like looking at the car and he opened the trunk. And Vince joked like, which I love that Vince said this. Oh, you can fit a few bodies in there. And then he points to the emergency latch and just goes, just make sure you disable that. Oh, my God. I know. Whoa whoa it was like sold yes right that's a good salesman oh my god i bought the car from him how old is he he was he definitely didn't listen to the podcast like has ever like tweeted it and feel like he must

be like no no it's just was like a family man lots of people have good senses of humor yeah yeah he was like 28 or so that's hilarious yeah uh i like that style i do too no you're just going like you don't know if i'm gonna if i'm gonna be i've been locked in a trunk before in my life but you're just fucking picking it up you know what it is it's if you've been locked in a trunk before in your life the fact that you're making the joke first means you're okay with it which means he can do what he wants right and that it's actually additional relief that he would join in and not leave you hanging or go, Oh my God,

what's wrong with you? Right. It's just a classic, like bullshit salesman personality. It's why I like people like that. And I hate myself for liking them because it's such an obvious, like those smooth talkers are my favorite. Yeah.

And they're the, they're the most full of shit. People who don't miss a beat. Right. I don't react. How thrilling. Yes, exactly. those smooth talkers are my favorite yeah and they're the they're the most full of shit people who don't miss a beat right they don't react how thrilling yes exactly they go along with it it's like constant high-end improviser that makes you have to be smarter and quicker too but it also is like you're being heard it's exhausting it's it's thrilling um uh we were talking about this the other day on the mini but i cannot get a sense of time or place oh because of back being back i know that it's too long to complain about jet lag i'm still complaining about it because i'm still there well it's not just jet lag it's just that

it wasn't a vacation and we were constantly busy and most people don't fly three times inside of their flight to and from home no no the the traveling that went on within the traveling right was very intense um studying so much when i went to write my martyr for this week it was not enjoyable because there were so many that we had to do for australia and so many that i researched for australia and chose not to do me too because they were so intense there's some fucked up fucked up stories i have like five that are half written that i was going to do from australia yeah um it almost it's almost good though because now it feels like well we only have three in detroit and toronto how great is that that's a fucking walk in the park

it's no big deal that's a cakewalk in the park and we've never done um toronto never and we've gotten tons of suggestions since the beginning from toronto so like there's there's lots of choices it doesn't have to be there's something about australian uh true crime that is very dark it's like oh my god it is for some reason maybe this is judgment feels darker than regular it feels like the only murders there are huge murders yes there's no like they don't have guns so it's not like there's drive-bys no it's like a guy that's got like picked up a handful of red clay and painted his face red and then hid in the bushes to intentionally kill the innocent like it's a lot of that over and over killed his family on the next level of family killing yes but is that familia side oh yeah yeah i just picked the

story that's the best to tell in terms of you're not gonna fucking believe right right um also i've dipped into like ghost stories and shit i've, when I can't go directly to it, which is a thing that, like, I know a lot of murderers are like, I'm a murderino, have been since day one, this is my jam, which is great. But not everybody does it 24-7. And, like, I personally can't do it.

So I have, I definitely have, like, murder fatigue right now because I just don't want, I don't want to read about another axe. That makes sense. I just don't want it. I can't get enough. I still can't get enough.

Like, I had to, I was researching a murder and then ended up, you know, watching six others on YouTube, which is, like, has the most fucked up ones. And then I was like, this isn't even what you're talking about this week.

Stop. I have to, like, make myself stop watching it. Oh oh i did the same thing where i kept there's all kinds of um somebody tweeted this actually because there was a buzzfeed list that's like 16 of the most fucked up murders you've never heard of which as someone tweeted us and all murdering us say yeah right like yeah try me basically and they were most of ones that we've all heard but i always i read those i go through and i'm like of course i we've all heard but i always i read those i go through and i'm like of course i've heard it heard it heard it heard it heard it and i feel like now i'm at that point of like it's almost like a magic the gathering level nerd murder nerd thing where

i've i feel like i've had my hands in it for so long that I just am like, just for a little while. Like, I don't want to play this game anymore. Just for a little while. And maybe it's just the traveling. It'll get, before we started this podcast, I would have to take long breaks from murder stuff

because I would get really depressed. So the only thing that's kept me from that now, which, because we've been doing it nonstop, is this, it's a job now. But I fucking would get dark and deep and depressed and scared of the world yeah because it's it's scary it's scary it's definitely scary on a positive note self-care everybody uh steven should we talk about oh yeah our new merch so we've designed a shirt um for steve and on behalf of steven pays tribute steven's surprised he doesn't know about this no idea this has been

in the works we've been talking about it we've been thinking about it we've been talking and thinking about it and then um so i asked the great chris fairbanks who is my co-host on do you need a ride my other podcast um and he's also a stand-up a hilarious stand-up comic so fucking funny and a but he's what's funny the most interesting thing i think is he's a brilliant graphic artist no idea until you were like we should talk to chris fairbanks yeah i was like he fucking the do you need a ride cover i have no idea is the most intricate fucking awesome cover i've ever seen there's a monster eating a freeway in it and that's just one of the things that's happening it's just like it's bananas and when you told me that i was like oh fuck yeah it's on yeah so so uh

i asked chris to do a a Steven cut that out design. Oh my gosh. And he's done it for us. Um, and this is it showing Steven right now. Look, look, here you go. Describe it, Steven. There's the swoop, uh, with my hair and it says Steven all in red, like tracing along my hair as a silhouette. And it says Steven and then it finishes on the other side. It says cut that. And then it says my favorite murder on the mustache yeah it's basically steven's silhouette

hair it's his hair silhouette it's his hair mustache eyebrow it's his facial hair silhouette with steve but yet steven cut that and my favorite murder and in the hair intertwine as the hair and it should be up by the time by the time you're hearing these words in your in your face this should be up on my favorite murder shirts fucking idiot georgia.com my favorite murder shirts.com steven how do you feel uh well i can never change my hair's right. Also very honored that a fellow mustache brother. Oh, yeah. Chris Fairbanks. That's why it's so good.

That's right. Oh, my gosh. It's so rad. When you sent it to me, I was like, yes, yes, yes. It's so fucking good. It's really good. And what's cool is that it's subtle and people who know will know. Yeah, exactly.

Well, like any other shirt, you have to know it. You have to know the show to have it make sense. Yeah. Which is the fun of it So hopefully we'll have that on totes and fucking mugs And stickers and shirts I'm all red and it's not just from the weird face mask Jackie made me try yesterday He is very red right now

He is He gets embarrassed Stephen was heralded and lauded All through Australia. People lost their shit. He basically had a secondary meet and greet line where people would walk away from us and then walk over to Steven's meet and greet. Yeah. They'd be like, I have a present for Steven.

Give it to him. I need to go give this to Steven and have him sign this. Yeah. A couple people were like, can Steven be in this photo? And we made him do it. Now Steven has a signature pose. Yeah. Which is on one knee with his chin on

his bis in front of us child 90s like yeah star prom thing yeah it's perfect now you have merch you have mfm merch oh my god that's official elvis doesn't even have mfm merch and he's a cat i don't know that wouldn't that doesn't equivalent equivalent equivalent. I'm a cat. It's fine. Yeah. You're basically a cat. Yeah. And then the other thing, oh, can I shout out a fucking podcast

that I've been listening to that I really love? Podcast Corner. Of course. It's called The Fall Line. It's a female investigative journalist who every season

is going to talk about marginalized, crimes and marginalized communities in Georgia. Whoa. Yeah. Because I think that's where she's's from so that's kind of what she's doing she kicking off with the atlantic child killer no she's it she's like doing ones that we don't know about that are have been like bungled oh yeah so this is the 1990 the first one's a 1990 disappearance of these twin sisters danette and jeanette millbrook they were 15 year old afric year old African American girls on their way home.

Good girls. They weren't going to be the typical, not runaways. Yeah. Fucking disappeared. Oh, of course, quote the runaways and never got looked into.

And so this is actually like reopening the case and they're looking into it again now. And it might get another one of those ones again in Georgia where it might get solved. Yeah. That's amazing. they tried to do runaways in the 90s fuck yeah i mean it was a poor neighborhood in georgia and you know in georgia african-american community but like the girls had seizure medication and didn't have it with them like you don't run away without your seizure medication you sure don't know and they were good girls and not that bad girls don't also good disappear right but that's part of the when it's the disenfranchised cultures that the people the larger um media or the larger

interpretation is always they were asking for it some assumptions they did something and they deserved it and that's why it happened right but then they're because i think the people think that way so they can just break off from any kind of care emotional responsibility and it's like not my problem it won't happen to me or anyone i love because well this is a really good one because she um she looks into all the possibilities including like a couple serial killers in the in the town one of which sounds so fucking likely wow and uh it's just a real it's one of those you know female investigative journalism podcast and podcast that has a ton of fucking empathy so it's like you feel it too that's great so that's the fall that sounds amazing yeah the fall line falling and i think there's a a go fund me campaign trying to raise money to help with um like either you

know a um a reward for information or to fund you know something like that oh that's good yeah look into it um that makes me think that um our friend joe thornley i believe was her last name was someone just tweeted at me she's number one no she's got the number one podcast right now with her podcast zealot which is about cults um she was she was the hometown the end of the live sydney show which went up last week she was the hometown murder which we originally brought up because she said she can moonwalk and we knew it'd be a heavy heavy episode like because of what we were talking about so we were like come up and moonwalk by the way to have a hometown and she totally did and she was charming as fuck and she's like I also have a podcast called zealot

about cults and I looked at her instagram and it was like oh my god I'm number 46 on that comedy she's also it's about cults but it's comedy which is like so up our alley yeah god i'm number 46 on that comedy she's also it's about cults but it's comedy which is like so up our alley yeah um i'm number 46 on the com the itunes comedy podcast and then i looked at him like oh my god she's number three right below us and now she's number one she's fucking number one girl girl that's how it happened with us fuck yeah i messaged her on instagram was like i bet i know how you fucking feel right now you better fucking enjoy this it's the coolest thing that's ever happened. That's so good.

Yeah, I'm so happy for her. Yeah, she deserves it. That's so funny. And it was purely because she sent the perfectly, the concept of the tweet was, you guys might not feel like talking by the time you get to the end. Let me just come up and moonwalk for you. And just the idea of that was so hilarious. She can't have imagined that we would have picked that because it's not what we do no it's just like a sidebar but it was

so funny it was so funny and she definitely moonwalked too i mean that's why people are following she moonwalked in high heels oh my god it was crazy it was great it was great happy for her um anything else i haven't watched the tapes. I don't want to talk about it. I get literally 40 tweets a day saying watch it. Confession. False confessions are not my thing because they stress me out so much. It's so stressful. And I can't wrap my head around them, even though I understand the ins and outs.

It's just so hard. I get so angry and stressed out that I can't watch that. But I am watching our Jessica Biel one. The Sinner. I'm on episode three. I'm really suddenly getting into it. Like the first episode, I was like, meh. Second, okay.

Third, I'm fucking there. Yep. It's good. How about that dirty, dirty Bill Pullman? Oh, he's so sexy. Oh, he's dirty. Oh, my. He's a dirty little slut.

He's a dirty bird, isn't he? He wants to be shamed into submission. I also love that woman that plays this dominatrix or girlfriend or whoever that woman is. Yeah. Who just looks like a normal woman. The second I see women like that on TV, I'm like, oh, my God, there's just someone normal on TV. They're letting someone not emaciated be on TV. Do you know what else I love about her character?

Is that she works at a classy restaurant instead of like, because she looks like she'd work at a dive bar off the drag. It's like, nope, she works at a high-end restaurant. It's like, you're not fucking making her this character that everyone thinks she is. No, she's like a self-possessed, self-actualized

sex worker slash ex-girlfriend slash something else. It adds to the interest of like, yeah, this is how complex human beings actually are in real life. No matter what. And I think I'm really into it. But even if I'm not, the characters are really interesting. I think I'm really into it. Don't fight it.

Just like it. No, I'm going to. I bought the fucking season pass. I'm in. I'm going to get my money's worth. It's great. Yeah. It's really well acted.

Yeah. I am watching something because as I announced that I was just taking a light, a light axe break. There's a show called Toast of London. Don't make me spit this all over the mic. You have. If you like. I'm imagining it right now do you or do you like peep show and shows like i love peep show oh okay this is matt berry who um

the bigger guy from peep show right no no no he's not from peep show but he just it reminds me of when you watch sometimes when i brought watch british comedy and it's so it's so intelligently funny that it makes me it like it makes me feel like screaming as i watch it because you don't because you have to be quiet the whole time because you're gonna miss a fuck anything so you can't laugh out loud there's no laugh track yes you have you're just listening as hard as you can they're so dry there's no like punch line and it's like saying everyone wants everyone to be this funny like we're doing it here why won't you allow right people to do it there anyway it's called toast of london he is like kind of a wash-up actor it's so hilarious from dark places yes garth morangi's dark place

yes okay i love him it's like a new series is hilarious. Please go watch the one we just mentioned. I think you have to go online probably, right? I think they're all on Netflix. Fuck, Dark Places and Peep Show are two of the best shows. Steven, will you come see if Garth Marenghi's Dark Places is on Netflix? It's just excellent. Also, there was a clip. We have to stop talking about this.

But there is a scene from Matt Berry's sketch show where he goes and he's going to help this girl um she's carrying a big uh fish have you seen it and they're walking and he's like let me take that for you he's being super fake sweet to her and then she goes he's like are you going off this and she finally goes like oh my boyfriend's apartment's right over there he goes fuck you and throws it down and it's just somebody did a super cut of all the times he does that oh my god and he's just thrown kick he drop kicks a dog the minute a girl says a woman says i have a boyfriend my boyfriend my boyfriend fuck you it's so funny and the fish the fish tank had fish in it and he broke it and they were on the ground yeah he smashed it as hard as you could listen so good so good uh well go to youtube but toast of london is on netflix and peep shows on still on netflix right and do you know the peep show they're coming

out with a new season oh my god yeah they're like doing a it's called something it's it's sorry it's not peep show but they're coming out with a new show. Okay, good. Good. Hey, should we sit down? Yeah. Should we talk about murder? Let's do it. Who the fuck is first? And what are we basing it off of? I mean...

Sydney? The last show in Sydney? I'm sorry. The show at the Opera House? Oh, the Opera House show. Oh, that show we did at the Opera House? Who went first that time? I believe you did.

Okay. Because you went last you did the shark arm shark arm wasn't city so then i was first at second night so it's so that's me okay hi i'm una chaplin and i'm the host of a new podcast called hollywood exiles it tells the story of how my grandfather charlie chaplin and many others were caught up in a campaign to root out communism in Hollywood. It's a story of glamour and scandal and political intrigue and a battle for the soul of the nation. Hollywood Exiles, from CBC Podcasts and the BBC World Service.

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I was like, do I ignore that airplane flying into this place? Do we have some, like a black box that if we get blown up by an airplane right now that they can find it? Can you save that? I don't think this would survive an airplane. Upload it right now that they can find it can you save that i don't i don't think this would survive right now just in case the apartment has a black box that's all the apartments came with black right that's the thing that's why you came here that vintage ship painting that's a black box oh fuck yeah well so so jack is born on january 23rd 1932 in denver colorado i was gonna do this for denver but then i'm like i'm

saving the shit out of this he's the second child of daisy graham and her second husband um he jack is born during the great depression in 1937 his dad dies of pneumonia which is a thing back in the great depression it caused daisy daisy then his mother sent him to an orphanage because of their poverty super bummer it was a thing back then yeah and sometimes they did they just did it like it was a pawn shop where it was like stay here for a little while that's right i'll come back and get you baby farmers right weren't they called baby farmers in england no i didn't know that that makes sense where you just kind of drop them off and they grow your baby and then you come pick them back up they grow your baby poorly they grow your baby but a lot of times they what they

would do is kill them and take the money yeah they would take the money be like sure sure we'll totally take care of it and get money from the state or whatever oh no so but then daisy goes and married and i had to quote this because it was so good well healed meaning rich as fuck yeah daisy marries a rich as fuck rancher named earl king in 1941 she's now like fucking living the high life still doesn't get jacked from the orphanage oh yeah well that's her old life she wants to put all that behind her she doesn't want to like stress out rancher guy in his mansion he ran away several times to be with her from the orphanage but she always brought him back which is like oh no you're gonna raise a oh that's so he would actually get to his mother's house and she would bring him back the mansion that's

like something an orphan would make up she's like my mother lives nearby in a mansion right and she must not just be able to come get me so i'm gonna make it easier for her and go go there and then she's all no thanks nope then when jack was eight years old daisy she brought him home to the ranch to celebrate christmas from the orphanage like come on home from christmas buys him a pony and he's like well if you're buying me a pony i'm clearly clearly here to stay. Nope. Once Christmas was over, she takes him back to the fucking orphanage. Can you imagine living a lavish, whatever, week life, week long life in a mansion that your mother gets to stay in? Your mother? And you get a pony.

And there was an older half sister. But it doesn't say I wonder if she was actually living there, you know? Also, why don't they just send them to boarding school? Why does he have to be in an orphanage? Sure. Yeah.

Um, so the husband, the richest fuck husband dies and she takes the money for inheritance, becomes a successful business woman and still doesn't fucking get him from the orphanage. I know know are you just telling me a super sad story this week that's it okay it's just all about orphans just take that up yeah well don't worry it gets worse okay um when he's 16 he forges papers and he joins the coast guard and but his real age is found out and he's discharged which is so sad

where it's like he might have had a good life if they had like he he wanted to join the coast guard and and be part of the military and they were like 16 which back then was like 27 in terms of like being on your own you could probably drink already i mean but if it was still during it's this is a little after the depression because maybe it's like no free lunches yeah come back when you're 18 yeah you have to get your own free lunch until yeah go get your free lunch at the orphanage because maybe they would get in trouble for you know that's true dangerous i don't know um at 19 so finally at 19 he forged for over four grand in in checks to finance a road trip that got him. And it ended up the forged checks got him two months in a Texas jail for bootlegging and running a police roadblock at 100 miles per hour, which sounds like fucking fun.

Yes. Bootlegging. Yeah. At this point, he's like, who gives a fuck? Yeah. I'm going to go. Everyone in charge is crazy. I'm going to live my life.

Yeah. He's extradited back to go. Everyone in charge is crazy. I'm going to live my life. Yeah. He's extradited back to Denver. His mom pays his debt and probation is granted. So he then goes to the University of Denver, which is like he must be have some must be kind of smart. Yeah. In a way. I couldn't get into the university system here in California. What did our Uber driver tell us when we were in Boulder?

It was the night before school started for the University of Boulder? Yes, I think so. Whatever. Whatever the local college. College of Boulder. Which I clearly couldn't get into. She said to us, no, it was he.

He said to us, yeah, well, Boulder College is known as a pretty easy to get into school insinuating that everyone there was stupid which i was just like okay i don't feel so bad about going to community college and dropping out now i went to sac state where they were like please come here please come and be one of the 200 000 people that go to this we need you yeah more than you need us. Yeah. Oh, my God. I love it. But we should add this, that then after our show and we all went downtown to like try

to find a party. Yeah. Where people told us over and over again, don't go downtown. Yeah. Remember? Yeah. They were like, you don't want to go down there. Because it was all college kids partying.

College kids just running amok in the street. All of them lovely, polite. Oh, yeah. My sister asked for directions at one point and the boy was like practically walked them to the door of the place they were trying to find yeah yeah so we're not listen boulder college i mean i just i figure i put that out there too colorado um that's very fair of you i wasn't gonna i mean we can't call everybody stupid and just walk away you're right uh dude dude dude okay so attends denver university meets his wife gloria daisy the mom and jack were estranged until 1954 when jack was 22 years old and daisy at this point is running a successful restaurant and in may of 1955 she builds a crown aid she

builds crown a drive-in which is what it was called for him to manage she just like builds a place so he'll have a fucking job that's the big that's the big get back that's the big sorry about the orphanage your whole life remember when i abandoned the shit out of you forever hey well then how about some middle management yeah how about you clean up french fry grease every night good luck with that and manage like roller skating waitresses who hate your guts love mommy love your mommy fucking but daisy and jack they still had a shitty relationship they're often seen arguing and in 1955 daisy's restaurant her other restaurant Has a gas explosion It causes severe damage, closes her restaurant For good The most interesting

Kind of explosion, gas line explosion Would I bring it up if it wasn't relevant? Probably not Maybe not There's always the choice We won't know There's a third choice and we don't know it yet Then Okay, daisy at this

point's a 53 year old widow 53 at that point is fucking old as shit like she's like head for the hills lady you're done for you retire already will you um so so she tells jack jack's 23 at this point he's got a wife they have a baby he's like made good and made a family and works for his mother like he's clearly trying to fucking play ball make her want him still you know and she's like oh by the way the holiday is coming up even though you have a new baby i'm gonna go instead go to alaska and visit your older sister oh my god i hate her it's so the people close to you are the ones that can hurt you the most oh for sure and they do and why do we let them because you just that's life that's like a it's a series of insults and injuries yeah and you're trying to fix yourself so that you fit into what they are want from you even

though they have no fucking clue what they want from you because they're broken too and then you realize you fix yourself for yourself and you drive through a fucking police roadblock like this is my time in your life you have fun that's right you're drinking fucking shitty bathtub gin yes you're having the best life you're just going for it yeah and then in texas of all places which had to be fun yes go watch everyone go watch paper moon i bet that's what his life was like that movie is so amazing or friday night lights oh yeah they weren't bootlegging in that movie where they could have been there was that one season where the brother stole copper wiring

there was that one season where they had uh what's it called prohibition what what did you say i just said pot oh they took some pot they took pot that that okay and that i wrote and that as they say was the final final fucking straw for him yeah and i was like or maybe it was the pony years and years ago. That was the final straw. And he just like hadn't planned it yet. The straw went in and then it was it just waited. It was benign until it became malignant. Yeah.

It just got heavier over the years. Okay. November 1st, 1955. Jack's like, okay, you want to go to Alaska? Great. Let me take you to the airport. Oh, I'll take you to the airport to go to Alaska? Great. Let me take you to the airport. Oh. I'll take you to the airport to go to Alaska. That's so loaded because I just was like.

It's literally loaded. It. Oh. All right. I'm going to let you go. What were you going to say? Well, just going to the airport by itself. Like the morning we were leaving for our trip, you were like, come to my house.

If you want to ride with us, come to my house. We're leaving at 730. Da da da. and then i was just like i am so stressed and now i'm adding another thing to be stressed they're waiting for me yeah and i'm gonna screw this up there's no way i'm gonna be on time no i think it's better that you not that you would have done anything wrong you were there at the exact same time as us it's that thing of we were which i think we did very well with the anxiety of travel oh my god we did we had such a good friendship trip it was so fun it was so good we had the best Steven thank you for being a kitten in the in the group of like just Steven's here Steven's there you can't get mad when Steven's

but it's like yeah we're I think we're both aware but also it's that thing of like just travel anxiety not knowing things walking up you never know what the fuck you're doing or where you're supposed to be which is great that we have vince who could not let who could not be in chart not be in charge if he tried yes and so it's the best yeah he would never if it was up to one of us he would lose his fucking mind yeah he would lose his mind me too yeah me too between vince and then our australian tour manager nick who was a genius we love you you're never gonna listen to this podcast he's too punk rock he's yeah he doesn't he was so punk rock yeah he was the best he's the best i want him to always travel with us okay so sorry i'm just i'm

setting the table of i now have travel anxiety just hearing travel anxiety sucks can you okay picture this you're everyone's a little scared of flying you're anxious at the airport traveling is new it's 1955 like oh passenger traveling is pretty new and sitting at the in the airport before you get on your plane is a fucking like cigarette machine that instead of cigarettes sells life insurance what for before you get on the plane swear to fucking god this was a thing until the 80s so you go in there and in this case jack puts in a dollar 50 and gets out a life insurance policy for his mother who's about to fly to Alaska for $37,500

which at that time is this time it would be almost $350,000 and it's just like good luck on your like everyone just bought some and it was like hope you don't die it's so perfect like it's so perfect if he has any

bad intentions he didn't fucking put that machine there like he's just using it like everybody else that day everyone's like it's a thing of like oh better do it for good luck though you know what i mean like of course when i don't do it it's gonna it's like having your numbers on roulette where it's like you always do 13 yeah but like this one time it's like well what if 13 comes up so i just always put it on 13 same with renting a car yeah it's gonna be the time you don't get rental insurance exactly i did the i did that where it was like why did you bring up rental insurance dude because now i have to get it yep all right okay right so i think they did away with that on purpose because it's terrifying to everyone that's terrifying it also it opens the door to people who should not be able to just buy life insurance policies hither and yon but also don't hear and yawn

that was i gotta stop on that i've never heard that but i know what you meant it didn't really apply to what i was saying but well hither and thither it's like here and there but no i know but i want to now see all those machines that they made in the 50s when they were like making like life is going to be easier because we have these machines i've got like a photo like a drawing of like a happy family on their way to the walk into the you know because you'd walk on the tarmac walk yeah oh god i bet we could find it i could but we could find one like american pickers you know that show i bet they have? I bet they have. They must have kept them. And I bet there's some that have like, it's some mechanic, airplane mechanic who they were closing down that and they he took it home because he's a hoarder.

And it still has the papers you would get. Oh, could you imagine? Yes. I need that for the podcast loft. It's such a good idea. Yeah, you need to put that up there. Can someone please bring us that? we yeah okay it's just around the same time as automats which are the most hilarious they're when cafeterias they pretended to be automated but it was just people

putting dishes into those you like press it's like pressing d7 it's like a hand coming out and handing you the like the cream corn or whatever just there yeah so you just have a bunch of plates like one of my one of my time travel like plans is i would go to an automax because i love cafeterias more than anything yes a thousand percent yeah i would do the exact same thing when we time travel and then we're gonna go shopping at fucking may company oh okay okay when they run the things like you know that they used to run the money along wires above? Yeah. They would drop it down.

So, be like, anyway, okay. But I want dresses. Yes, you can go do that while I go look at the dresses. And girdles. Go ahead. Okay, great. Okay, well, here's where it gets crazy. Okay, before, okay, here's what happened.

Wait, let's go back to before wait no jack says to daisy that he left a surprise christmas gift in her suitcase spoiler alert it wasn't a puppy i wrote that so it's kind of corny instead in daisy's large tan samsonite suitcase alongside the photo album of Jack and Gloria's wedding that Daisy was going to show to her daughter in Alaska. He had placed a neat bundle of explosives. Less than an hour after the flight took off, the United Airlines flight became the first confirmed sabotage of a commercial aircraft in the United States when it exploded midair. Oh, fuck. Have you not seen this crime to remember?

No. Oh, my God. It crashed into farmland and sugar beet fields near Longmont, Colorado, and Daisy and the 43 other passengers and crew all died. Oh, God. The youngest passenger was 13-month james fitch patrick the second the eldest was 81 year old layla mclean five children lost both their parents in the crash pregnant 22 year old carol um bynum and her husband both died it was the worst mass murder

in u.s history at the time and remains the worst in Colorado and was one of the largest investigations in the FBI history. Oh, my God. The FBI obtained. So can I really quickly? I just want to say also, and I know it's fucking sidebar nation over here, but I just finished. What's weird about this that i was planning on doing this and then i didn't realize until today when i finished this audiobook i've been listening to that is so fucking good but it's about a plane crash that sabotage that goes the whole story you don't find out what happened until the very end and in my car at like two o'clock today i found out and i almost had a

pullover because i was crying wow it was so good was it true story no no no it's a novel it's called before the fall by noah holly h-a-w-l-e-y oh spoiler alert what did i say the you said what the ending was what did i say you said that it was the explosion oh no it's not an explosion though it's just a it's just a plane crash oh okay that's not no no so the explosion isn't part of it it's not an explosion though It's just a plane crash Oh okay that's not No no no so the explosion isn't part of it It's a plane crash that they have to then So I'm about to talk about how they figured out What had happened in the plane crash

By putting it in the hangar So this same kind of thing happened While they had a piece together To figure out what happened in the plane crash And they do it by interviews And going back to the day of the crash And who did what and what happened And all the characters are really good it's not an explosion okay okay that's a spoiler alert yeah i thought that's what you were i was like i don't know why i just said

the name of the book it's called before the fall um and uh the audiobook is great the reader is really good you know it's hard to find that name sounds familiar noah holly i bet he did something really cool i feel like it's the guy that i i could be wrong but that might be the guy that does that does um uh uh fargo now yes really yes okay coming back karen just fucking oh my god your memory is bananas is it though your memory in certain ways it is um noah holly is it holly it's h yeah holly h-a-w-l-e-y but he's uh no he does a lot of things but he is the reason that fucking fargo series is so magical because it's being written it's a novelist writing a tv show so it's like amazing I had no idea. Well, now I'm even more proud of myself for finding this fucking book. Nice one. He's got other

ones here. Oh, I'm gonna download all of them. Yeah, great audio book, which sometimes I'll be like, don't get the audio book, read the book. It's better. This was a great audio book. And it's just weird that I'm doing this story at the same time as this because I literally I don't cry at books and movies. And I almost had to pull over because I was just like so taken aback by it. I love a good author. Like someone that really does it right. I'm so happy that you put that together.

Okay. So the FBI obtained use of a nearby barn. They reassembled the fragments of the airplane collected from the site. And they were able to determine that the explosives were used. Which is so incredible to me that a flight a plane can blow up and crash and they can still put it together and figure

out what happened. They put it together like a huge puzzle. It's incredible to me. It's crazy. Those people must be so smart. They went, yeah. I'm not going to say it it i'm done with that i'm done with folder and that they'd and then they and they determined that it which piece of luggage it had come from oh fuck yeah like it went off in that piece of luggage and they figured out what piece of luggage it came from and they figured out was daisy's tan samsonite all right they so they started looking into her

family and looked into jack when they found out about his criminal past with the bootlegging shit they also determined that daisy's restaurant had been damaged by quotes a suspicious explosion as well and that jack had received in the insurance settlements which is like dude change your ammo a little bit yeah you know what i mean don't keep exploding things yeah locals also suspected jack of deliberate causing his new pickup truck to be stuck by to be stuck struck by a train that year for insurance money so this guy was like after insurance money and into explosions um they also found that when she died a large part of daisy's estate would go to jack

so insurance money again yeah after a few days of questioning jack said okay where do you want me to start and then in great detail he described building and planting the bomb that killed his mother and 43 others on flight 629 it was constructed of 25 sticks of dynamite a six-volt battery two electric primer caps in case one of them failed and a timer set to detonate in about 90 minutes after he planted it or turned it on working in an electronic shop for just two weeks he had given jack all the expertise he needed to build the bomb so this guy must have been fucking smart yeah i then he said i then took this i then took the sack of dynamite with the battery and timer attached and placed it in my mother's large

suitcase based on all that evidence found at jack's house he was arrested charged with sabotage and later that was changed to murder after the arrest arrest um some some newspaper people radio station people were able to sneak cameras and recording into the jail and jack told them i loved my mother very much she meant a lot to me it's very hard for me to tell exactly how i feel she left so much of herself behind which i'm like no she fucking didn't dude i mean uh is that insensitive it's insane of him to say yeah it's super bizarre i think he must have not had our emotions our feelings that we have i don't want to call him a sociopath because people are like that's not really well it may or may not apply but he's definitely in was insanely like damaged and abused as a child

i mean that the emotional attachments you have are were broken yeah at some point his mother repeatedly rejected him that's like there's some serial killers that that it only happens once and they yeah and it still doesn't mean he didn't love her. It could mean that he loved her more. Yes. In a way that we don't feel love. But that feels like love to someone else. Well, it's all he knew.

Yeah. It's, I mean, he lived in an orphanage. He had that thing of like, if you don't have emotional attachments to not just your parents, but to like a caregiver as a young child, you can't have those to anyone or it's really hard to change that. That's right. It's sad. Yeah.

But he's also a murderer and murdered a bunch of innocent people. I mean, I, the, the plan of that, the coldness of the plan of revenge on his mom, but then just like total devastation on all these other people. So many families. It's so it's so evil.

Yeah. When asked why he had signed the confession and confessed, he said that the FBI threatened to point out inconsistencies and statements made by his wife, Gloria, but he wanted to keep her out of it. He just didn't want her to have anything to do with it. So he was like, I'm going to confess. So she doesn't, you know, maybe she was lying for him. Maybe she was covering for him. He also told prison doctors that he realized he said he realized that there were about 50 or 60 people carried on the plane but and but the number of people to be killed made no difference to me it could have been a thousand

when their times come when their time comes there's nothing they can do about it it's almost like he's god yeah and their time had come when really he had just decided yeah yeah he's pretending that that was he was some kind of like the arbiter of fate or something right or just like no dude you've just yeah the trial um resulted in colorado becoming the first state to officially sanction the use of television cameras to broadcast criminal trials no federal statute at the time on the books that made it a crime to blow up an airplane because it was so fucking new. And that led directly to federal laws criminalizing airline sabotage and the formation of the Federal Aviation Administration. At the time, though, on the day of Jack's confession,

they wanted to quickly prosecute Jack. The simplest possible way was premeditated murder of a single victim, his mother. So none of the other victims, they didn't try him for those. Despite the number of victims, he's charged with only one count of first-degree murder. He recanted his confession. But because of all the evidence, he was found guilty, attempted suicide. And on May 5th, 1956, he was convicted of the death of the murder, sentenced to death,

executed in the gas chamber in January of 1957. And before his execution, he said about the bombing, as far as feeling remorse for these people, I don't, I can't help it. Everybody pays their way and takes their chances.'s just the way it goes and about his mother's murder he said i wanted her i watched her go off for the last time when she was getting on the plane i felt happier than i'd ever felt before in my life dude and that's fucking our friend jack gilbert graham at flight 629 i like in those kind of quotes where you can really it really almost surmises the insanity of the person where it's like you are totally come cut off from empathy you don't give a fuck about anybody but your revenge not even in a way of like

you're about to die it doesn't matter apologize to the families even if you don't fucking mean it like you can't even give them some kind of no because he doesn't he doesn't care he doesn't have a connection to care about those families it's always it's impossible for us to understand well and also it's but the thing i think it's interesting is like family is the source of his insanity or his his damage so he doesn't care about those families because he never had a family he's like go fuck your he's probably more mad that they had families he's probably thinking that they feel the same way about their families as he does about his because he doesn't know what it's like to feel any feelings about your family yeah only just negative or shitty or like yeah

shit man oh and go look him up go look at at his photo. He looks like if our friend Matt Bronger was playing a yokel with a widow's peak. Oh, like Reese Becker? Yeah, our friend, comedian Matt Bronger playing a role as a yokel. Nice. Yeah. Wow, that was good. Thank you. Thank you.

It's fun to base them on tv shows yeah you're fucking right very hard work gets done for you yeah and it's just a retail dude they set it up so nice i do the opposite stupid thing where i'm like i'm gonna do this hard one and then it's like it's so hard that nobody's ever made a documentary about it except for some fucking person who has like there's so you looked on youtube for your murder and there's just these people and i don't want to insult other people but i am uh they make these like story they tell the story on video with pictures and things like that but it's a computer voice yeah and then the murder went it's so weird well i feel like it might be a lot of there's like students it feels to me like students

that have to do a presentation for a class or something because there's oftentimes the wording is very odd but it's almost like people are trying to sound news person yeah um but it's the it's at that point it's the um it's the automated program which i'm like just be any human can read the wikipedia page it doesn't matter if someone's gonna like your voice just read it maybe they have a weird high voice maybe or a strangely low voice well maybe i mean i have a fucking lisp and and what's it called auto-tune no what's it called when you when you have like the thing or you don't even oh you're from california yeah i have a lisp in an auto-tune never had a problem with either of my voice this entire time was auto-tuned it would be tough it would be that would be tough to keep

it natural it would okay yay now i gotta be told a story i love going first because then i get to sit back i know right and be told a story you just get to relax i i went i don't know what i was doing here's what i actually did okay let me hear your process would you want to go behind the scenes i do and just go behind the music for a second welcome um pop-up video time i wanted to do a supernatural murder but that's like a made up thing it is essentially yeah but that's what i wanted i just wanted to be a little bit off the planet a little bit and so i eventually found the story of a man named carl pruitt who found this was like in the 30s he found his wife in bed with another man he strangles her with a rusty chain then he commits suicide the family has him

buried far away i wrote this whole fucking thing up until i found um buried far away uh and then a kid people start noticing that there are rings appearing on his gravestone rings rings and concentric rings that are linked like a chain basically like a chain so uh a bunch of kids are playing in the cemetery and they the boy throws a rock at the headstone great place to play by the way yeah that's where the good times are he throws a rock at the headstone chips it they all go to ride their bikes home he falls off his bike and the bike chain wraps around his neck and strangles him to death. So when the mother.

This is season two of Stranger Things. The mother finds out and here's all the town gossip of it was because he was he desecrated the headstone of the killer. Good old Pruitt. Of the chain killer. And so she goes down with an axe to take the headstone apart the next day she's found hanging in her own clothesline oh my goodness so then it basically goes on and on i'm like this is the best this is going to be amazing i get to the end of the article and the person who wrote the article begins to deconstruct ghost stories in america and how this is fake like carl pruitt never existed this person never

existed you can't find any of these people in any public record and then i had to start over i was really mad because it was so perfect and yet it was such a creepy pasta like oh and then the then these people every single thing was someone strangled with the chain if they tried to touch the headstone jesus i don't know how i don't know how you can find a murder that gets you out of the murder world well no you can't i'm just i don't even know what i'm doing so then i went all the way in and i'm doing son of sam oh that was not the direction i thought was gonna happen i just fucking turn that car around but you know why i'm okay you know i understand it's because he doesn't mutilate anyone that's right where it's almost like he listen murder is murder and it's fucking horrible and awful and son of sam is a monster

but when you don't have to talk about someone when it's for us i don't mean like there's certain murders but when we don't have to talk about women getting their boobs cut off. Yes. And being raped and savage, which I'm doing right now. It's almost like a relief. It is because it still qualifies. And he's very famous. And everybody knows who he is. But he did. He was on a murder spree in the 70s.

That was so strangely distant and odd. Disconnected. Totally disconnected and yet very specific. He was like, I don't know if a lot of people know this. I certainly didn't before I started reading about it. He only shot women with long, dark hair. No, I didn't know that. I didn't either. He was a total

fucking Ted Bundy in that style. So, it's just interesting. Like, it's definitely a thing where you can dip in, but you don't have to go in too far. There's not even a stab which which is there let me stop you okay you know what why don't you do your murder and i'll stop because that's what's interesting so he also was the product of an illicit affair um and his mother gave him away, uh, right after he was born to, um, a couple named Pearl and Nathan Berkowitz who lived in the Bronx. And he was a troubled youth.

Neighbors say he was a bully. He was, um, he was an asshole. He was really spoiled. He was really difficult. Um, and, uh, he, from an early age, began engaging in petty larceny and arson um arson arson our friend um so there's i couldn't find anything i actually looked it up specifically of like did something happen to him that he never talked about yeah um but his mother died of breast cancer when he was 14 that's it man That's got to be a huge shock.

Then his father remarries. He doesn't like his new stepmother. So in 1971, when he's 18, he joins the army and he serves for four years. He's given an honorary discharge in 1974. And while he's serving in the army, he has his first and only sexual encounter with a sex worker huh um the result of that encounter gave him a venereal disease oh shit and the um psychiatrist or whoever say that after that whoever word on the street um was that because of that um experience specific experience he became enraged with women um which we know can't be true like you had that boiling down

somewhere ready to burst it's not like i'm great with women and then you're like oh shit crabs no exactly right well yeah and that's probably not crabs it's already a problem he's one of those people that yeah if you're a bully that that doesn't get along and is an asshole to everybody you're not also a lady killer that's probably not happening right um i just love that they can blame it on this one like they're blaming it on the woman right you know what i mean which is just like of course it's not um also when he gets out of the army he looks up his birth mother and his birth mother explains how she gave him away because he was illegitimate a forensic anthropologist elliot layton described this as the primary crisis of his life finding out that he was an illegitimate child, that his father didn't want him,

shattered his sense of identity. On top of that, the old VD, the old crabs, that he started a spate of arson fires in the early seventies, that he actually, well, we can talk about this later,

but that was his, his first crime was arson and he would go and light these fires all over the bronx and um and the surrounding area if only i knew what that what city is that manhattan uh let's call it no he kept it over in like oh in his in the bronx and boroughs other boroughs other boroughs and then other boroughs brooklyn let's say brooklyn there's queens there's queens and queens comes up quite a bit in this did he go to long island i don't know i doubt he would make that drive okay he did become a mailman um so christmas of 1975 he

stabs two women with a hunting knife on the streets of new york jesus but they fight back this was christmas eve night they fight back and This was Christmas Eve night. They fight back and he flees the scene. They're not killed. Wow. That's his first attempt and that's when he switches over to a.44 caliber bulldog snub nose shotgun. No,

none of it. A gun. It's a.44 caliber gun that he uses for the rest of his time. So July 29th, 1976 this is in Pelham Bay, the Bronx. 1.10 a.m. and Donna Loria, who's 18, and Jodi Valenti, who's 19, are sitting in Jodi Valenti's car outside Donna Loria's apartment. And they're talking about the night they just spent at Peach Trees, which was the local disco. Oh, Peach Trees, which was the local disco. Oh. Peach Trees. Oh, this is, if you see the movie Son of Sam, the Spike Lee movie starring John Leguizamo, it's actually really hilarious and great because disco exploded like in this period of time.

And so, you know, around New York City, people were just at discos every night. Yeah. And that lifestyle was like a big deal. It's just clubbing. Yes, exactly. But with disco music. It just clubbing yes but with disco music it's clubbing with polyester oh man i'm so glad i i hope when we go back in time we don't end up there i mean i can feather my hair so i feel okay you'd probably be a good a good disco

queen i might be good but i don't want i i don't want to show my arms and that's that's a bit going to be a big problem at the disco. I hate disco music and cocaine. So I feel like I'd just be like sitting in the corner being like, can we go? We're such opposites. I know. Can we go to a dive bar, please? Okay.

So they were at Peachtree's. They're sitting in the car talking about it. Jodi opens the car door to get out to walk up to her house and sees a man walking really fast toward the car. That's so scary. That image. It's so scary. A man walking fast towards you is like, just punch. At one in the morning.

At one in the morning. Right outside your house. Punch. He pulls a.44 caliber handgun out of a paper bag, nails down and fires five times into the car. Donna Loria was hit in the neck and killed instantly jody valente was um hit in the thigh and then she leaned on the horn and the attacker turned and walked quickly away which is also creepy yeah that you don't run because you know not to run because that's suspicious yeah you just walk quickly away like business your business is done here okay so jody describes him as a white male in his 30s with a fair complexion about 5'9 weighing 160 pounds short dark curly hair in the quote mod style good

for her for knowing all that like remembering all these details so um also lauria's father also saw him and told the police a similar looking man was sitting in a yellow compact car how all night he had been cruising the area um hours before the shooting and as several neighbors actually saw a man in a yellow car cruising the area so um about three months later carl denaro who was 20 and rosemary keenan the old italian irish combination is fire um 18 they were talking outside keenan's house when according to keenan it felt like the car exploded so uh what had happened was that car was fired on five times um denaro uh carl denaro who's in the driver's seat puts it into driving speeds away yeah and only um later do they realize he's been shot in the head.

Oh my God. He ended up getting, he survived. Holy shit. He ended up having to get a plate in his head to replace the skull, the part of his skull that was blown away. The police did not attack, did not link this attack to the Loria Valenti attack because they were in two

different precincts. So they were just separate shootings. Weird, right? Crazy. Yeah. But I mean, this was New York in the late 70s. So there was tons of crime. Yeah, that's true.

But Rosemary Keenan's father was a New York City. I can't remember if his detective a detective or a police officer, but basically once the daughter of one of their own, they turned up the intensity on this specific investigation. And she didn't die. She didn't die. Neither of them died. Okay. But they didn't have that much evidence.

There wasn't a lot to go on. Right. So a month later, Donna DeMasi and Joanne Lamino had just walked home from a movie theater and they were talking on Joanne's front porch and they see a man in army fatigues approaching them. I guess it's like Vietnam, so it's not that weird. I mean, not really, but here's what's weird. He's asking for directions in a high pitched voice. Before he finishes, so he starts asking the question. Before he finishes the sentence, he pulls out the gun and shoots both of them.

Donna was shot in the neck but recovered. Joanne's hit in the spine and she's paralyzed. A neighbor claims to have seen a blonde man running away from the scene clutching a gun. Okay, so Januaryuary 30th 1977 this is at the forest hills long island railroad station in queens at 2 40 in the morning christina frund and her fiance john deal had just seen rocky and they were about to go to a disco it's at a dance hall in wikipedia but i would assume that means a disco yeah um and as they're sitting in the car three gunshots there someone shoots into the car three times in a panic deal drives away he suffered minor superficial injuries but christina frond was

shot a friend was shot twice and died several hours later in the hospital neither of them saw their attacker um so now the police make their first public acknowledgement that the front deal shooting was similar to the other incidents and all of the crimes could be associated. Because all of the victims had been struck with 44 caliber bullets. The shooting seemed to target young women with long black hair. And the police announced that they were looking for um multiple suspects can you imagine like if let's say that happened right now in LA if that was going on I wouldn't want to leave the house do you know that actually it wasn't here but it was a little while later after a couple more of these murders when they when this the that fact of that it was um women with long dark hair there was a rush right

on women getting their hair cut really short like dorothy hamill and dyed lighter and that's why that trend i mean like that's in new york city that all women got their hair cut and died and they said that there was a shortage of wigs at beauty supply stores because everyone was just going batshit. Like in one day, once they made that announcement, everyone got their haircut. Yeah. I love that idea. Okay. So March 8th, Columbia College is still 1977 at 730 in the evening.

Virginia Vokeshurchian walks home from her classes at columbia a man walks toward her and when he gets close he pulls out a gun and fires into her face she put up her books to protect herself but she was killed instantly um and moments later a neighbor uh one of her neighbors rounds the corner he hears the gunshots and then he nearly collides with the person who just he described as a short husky boy age 16 to 18 clean shaven wearing a sweater and a watch cap sprinting away from the scene um uh and other neighbors um matching that same description uh reported a teenager loitering in the area for about an hour before the shooting. In the following days, the media report police claims that this, quote,

chubby teenager was the suspect. There are no direct witnesses to her murder. And she lived about a block away from where Christine Freund and her fiance, John Deal, were shot. March 10th, 1977, NYPD holds a press conference stating that the weapon used in Virginia Vox Churcherians, Voskerichians, I think is Voskerichians murder is also a 44 Bulldog. The same weapon used in all the other shootings. the same weapon used in all the other shootings. And of course, this whole story, the New York Daily News and the Post go crazy on the daily. It's just constant, constantly. Front page, fucking, what's it called?

Fear-mongering. Well, you should be afraid, but I guess. Well, I mean, they were finally like justified. It also went international. They were naming, they name in the Wikipedia article, like all the, you know, the Vatican had an article They name in the Wikipedia article Like all the You know The Vatican

Had an article about it In the Vatican newspaper Or whatever Jesus So April 17th This is a month later Basically in the Bronx It's 3am

And Valentina Suriani Who's 18 And Alexander Esau Who's 20 Are sitting in Valentina's car Kissing And each one is shot

twice suryani died instantly isau died a few a few hours later in the hospital and it says again it's a 44 and they were only parked a few blocks away from the loria valenti shooting um so then at the crime scene they find a handwritten letter and and it's from the killer and it's addressed to police Captain Joseph Borelli. And this is where the name Son of Sam comes from is this letter. So basically it reads, I'll do, I'm just going to do pieces because it's really long. It starts out, I am deeply hurt by your calling me a woman hater. I am not. But I am a monster.

I am the son of Sam. I am a little brat. When Father Sam gets drunk, he gets mean. He beats his family. Sometimes he ties me up to the back of the house. Other times he locks me in the garage. Sam loves to drink blood. Go out and kill commands father sam

behind our house some rest i don't know this at all it's just fucking crazy nonsense yeah but it ends like this i want to make love to the world i love people i don't belong on earth return me to yahoos to the people of queens i love you and i want to wish all of you a happy easter what the shit may god bless you in this life and in the next and for now i say goodbye and good night police let me haunt you with these words i'll be back i'll be back to be interrupt to be interpreted as bang bang bang bank bang ugh yours and murder mr monster so i am that is i can't even yeah it's nuts um that was like even scarier to them that were like oh we're not this isn't a calculated person this is a fucking lunatic how are we going to track down a

lunatic because you can't use logic that's right um also yeah that that wasn't mailed or it was left at the murder scene so it's somebody that kills people and then drops something intentionally all of it is tease them yeah jesus um so several psychiatrists are consulted and there's a psychological profile drawn up based on this letter and he's described as neurotic probably suffering from paranoid schizophrenia who believes himself to be the victim of demonic possession so may 30th 1977 so at that time the daily news had a columnist a a very famous man named Jimmy Breslin, who was like super famous in New York. A lot of people out, not that many people outside know him, but he was like he was like one of those like tough, you know, reporters of New York that I was, you know, hardboiled. He was I would call him hardboiled.

Yeah. I'm going to call me hardboiled one day. They will. They will. So the son of Sam sends Jimmy Bmy breslin a letter oh shit and uh on the back of the envelope he wrote the phrases blood and family darkness and death absolute depravity and just 44 with a dot in front of it so like 44 caliber and then i'll just read you how it starts because it's it's just more blather but it starts hello from the gutters of nyc which are filled with

dog manure vomit stale wine urine and blood i mean is he wrong i know he's fucking dead on it's summertime so he's probably very frustrated right hello from the sewers of nyc which swallow up these delicacies when they are washed away jesus by the sweeper trucks hello from the sewers of NYC, which swallow up these delicacies when they are washed away by the sweeper trucks. Hello from the cracks in the sidewalks of NYC and from all the ants that dwell in these cracks and feed in the dried blood of the dead that has settled into these cracks. This is poetry. Is it? JB, I'm just dropping you a line to let you know that I appreciate your interest in those recent and horrendous 44 caliber killings. I also want to tell you that I read your column daily and I find it quite informative.

Tell me, Jim, what will you have for July 29th? Oh, see, this one, he seems smart. Right. Almost as if he might be putting on an act of some kind. Almost as if he might be putting on an act of some kind. Okay. So the Daily News publishes this letter a week after they get it with a column from Jimmy Breslin urging the killer to surrender himself. And this article made that day's paper the highest selling edition of the Daily News ever. They sold more than 1.1 million copies wow um uh oh and it's after that that that with jimmy brussel's column this is when all the

women get their haircut which i just that's in the movie too yeah and it's hilarious i saw it when it came out but i don't remember it but it's yeah it's a good movie i liked it i just remember that from ted bundy too like didn't a bunch of girls. Yes. Who had the same haircut. Hell, yes. Changed that fucking shit out of it. Hey, highlights, everybody. Yeah.

How about a high lit Bob? Yeah. I'm brave. I also love Son of Summer of Sam, the movie, because it's it's almost entirely focused on disco. Yeah. The murders almost seem like an afterthought. The murders almost seem like they're powering disco.

You know what I mean? Like, disco is a response to the murders. That's right. Or disco is because the murders are creating disco. Listen, John Leguizamo is just a dream. Listen. Did you want to finish that? Look.

Okay. Look. Oh. oh no that's it i interrupted you to then say nothing okay so now we're in june june 26 1977 this is in bayside queens um so yeah it's like for people i i am from california so when we talk about all these different parts of all these different boroughs in New York, Queens is a borough. Bayside is a part of Queens. Okay. Right? Right.

I mean, the Bronx is a borough. And then the part of the Bronx that I was talking about, Forest Hills, Long Island. It's like the Upper East Side is part of Manhattan, but it's a neighborhood. Right. Yeah. Manhattan's a borough. And then the Upper East Side is part of that borough. Williamsburg is a borough.

Let's go on for an hour and name neighborhoods. I'm going to say the wrong thing for sure here, and all I can picture are the people I know who live in New York being very mad at me. Well, do they think they're better than us? Also, maybe I'm doing it for attention. Maybe I want you to be mad at me. Maybe I like it. All right.

I'm doing it for attention. Maybe I want you to be mad at me. Maybe I like it. All right. The morning of June 26, 1977. It's 3 a.m. Judy Placido and Sal Lupo, which that I think Sal Lupo might have been the main character in Summer of Sam. Oh, it just sounds familiar.

OK, but I could be making it up. No, I trust you on name recognition. This is where that all falls apart. OK, they've just left the eliphas disco and they're sitting in the car and the car's hit by three got um three gun gunshot blasts um so judy salupo is wounded in the right forearm judy placido is shot in the right temple in the shoulder and in the back of the neck. They both survived. Which is incredible.

These people who are surviving these mortal up-close gun blasts. Yeah. It's bananas. It's crazy. So, Sal Lupo tells the police they had just been discussing the case of Son of Sam right before oh my god the gunshots hit okay so about a month later it's july 31st 1977 stacy moskowitz who doesn't know stacy moskowitz and i mean like the second i read that name i was like i went to junior high with her so stacy and her boyfriend bobby violante are taking a walk in the park late at night very brave but they go

back to their car when they see a man watching them oh no but then when they get back into the car they were so into each other they start making out so they don't leave right away they're kissing in the car when they're hit by bullets stacy moskowitz was shot once in the head. Bobby Violente had been shot twice in the face. Stacy was killed while Bobby Violente would survive, but he lost most of his vision, but he survived from being shot in the head. So these people on the fucking boroughs have some survivability. For real.

I mean, it's the New York city, baby. Yeah. Uh, okay. So this is the shooting that brings out the most witnesses of any of the other Son of Sam murders. There was actually a direct eyewitness.

So during the shooting, 19-year-old Tommy Zaino was parked three cars down or three cars in front of Bobby Violante's vehicle. Bobby Violante's vehicle. And moments before the shooting, Zaino caught peripheral glimpse of the shooter's approach and then happened to glance in his rear view mirror just in time to see the actual shooting. Oh my God. He clearly saw the perpetrator for several seconds due to a bright street light and the full moon. And later described him as being 25 to 30 years old,

five foot seven to five foot nine inches with shaggy hair that, um, was dark blonde or light Brown. But he said that the shooter's hair looked like a wig oh so about a minute after the shooting a woman in her boyfriend's car on the other side of the park saw a white male uh wearing a light colored cheap nylon wig sprinting out of the park and get into a small and he got into a small light colored car that drove away and uh she said he looked just like he just robbed a bank um and she also got part of his license for g ur or for gvr there were other witnesses one including a woman who saw light cars speed away from the park 20 seconds after the gunshots and at least two witnesses to describe a yellow volkswagen

driving quickly from the neighborhood with its lights off um one of a neighborhood resident hears the gunshots hears um bobby violante's calls for help glances out her apartment window to see a man walking casually away from the crime scene while everyone else was running toward the sounds of the screaming and oh my god i'm so excited right now this is like what's so tense yes um and multiple other residents so this he was seen by tons of people that night they witnessed a scruffy looking man with dark stringy hair and stubble driving a small yellow car recklessly away from the scene he almost crashed into a car he ran a red light almost crashed into a guy the guy started following him because he was so pissed that the guy almost killed him but he oh he he could only he only followed him so far and then he lost

him um and then later found that it was son of sam okay so uh on the same night local resident cecilia davis is walking her dog this this is like the woman that brings it all together which i love cecilia she's walking her dog um at the scene of the mosquitos violante shooting so she sees patrol officer michael catano ticket a car a yellow car by a fire hydrant and then moments after the that cop left a young man walks past her and studies her with some interest and she feels concerned because he's got a dark um object in his hand so she she said he was wielding a dark object she doesn't know what it is she just runs home only to hear shots fired moments later. So she calls the police. She doesn't say anything for four days.

And then she calls the police and they start checking every car that got ticketed that night in that area. Fucking chances, man. And not only did they ticket it, but someone saw it happen and then knew about the murders. And someone saw what she saw happen was a guy that gave her weird vibes. Totally.

And then she put all of it together where it's like, yeah, you got away from the man that was endangering you. Then you stayed with it. Yeah. Witnessed something and then reported it. Totally. Love it. Love it. Love it.

Way to go, Cecilia Davis. Cecilia. And her dog marty most of the dog marty oh he made it um i got so excited that that was actually the dog's name i'm like oh no wait she made it up i'm like oh sorry it's your dad's name okay so the next day police investigate um they go and they check berkowitz's car it's one of the several that got ticketed that night and they see it's parked outside his apartment building building at 35 pine street in yonkers and they see there's a rifle in the back seat what uh-huh hide your rifle um yeah

right so they search the car they're like that's probable cause they search the car and they find a duffel bag filled with ammunition maps of the crime scenes a threatening letter addressed to inspector timothy dowd of the omega task force um so they know they probably have their man they put it together they uh put in a request for a search warrant but they know they they're very concerned with going into his apartment yeah without having it because they don't want to lose right the case right so they stand out they wait outside david berkowitz's apartment until 10 o'clock at night um and when he comes out and gets into his car and he had a paper bag with him and that 44 was inside the bag oh my god he gets in the car sits down and then detective john a fellow fellow tico

approaches the driver's side and puts the gun right against right next to berkowitz's temple and then detective sergeant william gardella covers from the passenger side with his gun inside the car oh my god and david berkowitz is taken into custody for the son of Sam murders. They say it's reported that he was very calm and very serene, almost seemed happy. Wow. So when they search his apartment the next day, apartment 70, they find the walls are covered in satanic graffiti.

The whole apartment is a complete mess. There's liquor bottles everywhere. And they also find three stenographers notebooks where um berkowitz had meticulously recorded hundreds of arson fires that he had set hundreds yes he had been recording it since he was 21 some sources allege that the number of arson fires he recorded was over 1400 yeah did Was he recorded or set? Well, he wrote them into these notebooks. Yeah.

And they believe that they correspond to real fires that happened around. Oh, my God. The Bronx and Queens and. Manhattan. Brooklyn. Don't forget. Certainly don't forget. Long Island. Is Long Island a borough?

I think so. What about Coney Island? I think that's a neighborhood. And what about the islands where the Statue of Liberty lives? Oh, you mean Liberty Island? Freedom Island? All right. Now people are legit mad.

Angry. Like even they know. He is questioned for half an hour and then immediately cops to everything and explains to the cops in great detail. All of the crimes that he perpetrated. And when they ask him why, he says his neighbor, Sam Carr's black lab. Harvey was possessed by an ancient demon and Harvey made him do it because he wanted the blood of pretty young girls. What? Yeah.

Wait. Okay. So that's why he called himself son of Sam. Is it the neighbor's name was Sam? Sam Carr and Sam Carr's dog. Like it was he was. But I don't get it. So but later.

So, you know, I'm I've been listening to the audio book of Those Who Fight Monsters, which is the guy from the who basically started the FBI, VICAP, all that. John E. Douglas, I think his name is. He interviewed David Berkowitz years later when they were putting together their when they decided they were going to start profiling serial killers. So they could get profiles of them, whatever. But he basically got David Berkowitz to admit that all of this shit was fake. The whole thing about the dog talking to him and everything was made up. It was completely made up so that he didn't seem responsible and that he could get off on the insanity plea. And it was purely because he was so angry at women. He had never had success with women.

He was an angry man. He was very angry. He was very like a spoiled child. I think it was that thing. He didn't know how to handle. He wasn't. It wasn't his fault. I didn't get it yeah and so he just wanted everyone to pay for his loneliness and and lack of popularity which seems like such a narrative of a lot of spree killers that are just

like they feel entitled and they're pissed off that everyone else doesn't know yeah they're they should be getting everything they want it makes me think of that boy um in santa barbara that's just thinking of that all those kids in santa barbara yeah it's the exact same thing where everybody else it's not anything that has to do with them they don't take any personal responsibility it's everybody else that everyone else has to pay right it's i guess narcissism and you know a lot of other yeah fucked up shit but um anyway he he basically he is tried found guilty on june 12 1978 he's sentenced to six life terms totaling a maximum of 365 years in prison he they send him to attica in 1987 he becomes a born again Christian good luck with that and before his first parole hearing

in 2002 he sent a letter to the governor of New York he's still alive I'm sorry he's still alive he was only in his 30s when he was sent to prison did they put him to death or something

no it's he admitted to everything so said that they put him to death or something no it's um he admitted to everything so they didn't give him the death right okay go on jesus christ you just blew my mind i know isn't that crazy yeah um he sent a letter to george pataki who is the governor of new york at the time asking um to have his parole hearing canceled he said in all honesty i believe i deserve to be in prison for the rest of my life i have with god's help um long ago come to terms with my situation and i've accepted my punishment wow um then in 1993 he went into this weird thing where he was claiming to be responsible for um satanic cult killings um i think he may have gotten bored he was trying to say that he didn't he didn't,

he wasn't the only one responsible for the son of Sam murders, that there were other people and it was because of this satanic cult and blah, blah, blah. And when that story came out, Jimmy Breslin himself made the statement when they talked to David Berkowitz that night, which is like the night he got arrested,

he recalled everything step by step By step the guy has 1000% Recall and that's it he's the guy And there's nothing else to look at For sure So wow That's your son of a fucking hitter Heavy hitter which I always avoid

Because it's so much research I know I miss big things And you know sorry sorry, Spike Lee. I was going to do a heavy hitter this week, actually. Or like, I was going to do a heavy hitter this week. You know, the thing where you're like, should I do this one or should I do that one? I finished this one, but maybe I want to do this one. Yes.

And then it was just like, no, Georgia, you need more than 16 hours before you decide to do a heavy hitter. I mean, you really do. And I think my wikipedia recitation proves that yeah no that was great people that shoot from a distant like there is something very i mean obviously we're saying this it's just so lame it's just so cowardly yeah to like stand from a distance and shoot a person and then just be like i am the son of sam it's emotionally detached in a way that you don't expect from most serial killers.

Right. Who are just like in it for the suffering and seeing the suffering of others. Yeah, he was, he wanted to end lives because it was about his failures as a man. Right. He could

have been a mafia hitman yeah if he got fucking painted his apartment and got his shit together it's tough listening to dogs yeah that poor dog was like dude i fucking love everyone don't bring me into this bitch all i want are treats i just want them to bring me inside every once in a while that's why i'm barking why am i in the back give me a scratch behind the ear everyone's in a blue and then don't bring me into your stories i'm not satanic i am i love the idea of being possessed by an ancient demon yeah not a recent demon i mean the dog maybe was an ancient demon but it was also like but i'm past that i'm born again he yeah he'd gotten healthy yeah um well shit man that's that man we're back we're off the road for a little

while you mean a week yeah but still yeah sorry i just really bummed you out there i don't know i'm looking forward to the you know detroit toronto that's gonna be fun and then we're just doing these like fun little weekends of like cool cities. It's our weekends. Yeah. Weekends are good. It's our weekend. That's the enjoyable kind. Get in, we get out. Yeah. We have our fun, we get out. Yeah. Well, I think should we say one thing

that makes us happy? Oh, good idea. Is it sleeping all week? Because that's mine. Oh, dude. Sleeping. Can it be? There has to be something. Oh, my new car. Oh, yeah, yeah. Can it be? There has to be something. Oh, my new car. Oh, yeah, yeah. Can that be mine? Yes.

Okay. This is the first new car I've ever had in my life. Nice. It feels so luxurious. It's a Toyota Corolla, which is my first car I ever had. Oh, wow. My hand-me-down, shitty little car that was just, like the the most basic you could get at the time and this one has like fucking a moon roof and a fucking an automatic like your seat moves

automatically i've never had a car it shapes it to you as you get in yeah or it has like the when you need to move it forward it's just like you don't have to crank it you know you don't have to do that while you're driving and accidentally almost hit your face on the steering wheel or crash right or crash yeah it has like it has adult things that i never thought i would ever have in my life but it's a toyota so it wasn't fucking crazy expensive as a cooch warmer which is like to me the next level of fucking class you can have those all the time you just you don't have to wait to get into your car what do you mean you can fucking slip something you can do an icy hot pack right into your underwear are you trying to get me a yeast infection over here it's just like it feels

it feels grown up and i'm like i didn't think i'd ever care about it. Something like this. And I'm really just like pleased and grateful. It's great. It's nice. It's nice to like, be like, oh, I earned something. Yeah, I earned it. I think I earned it. And I'm really happy about it. Yeah, that's good.

Yeah. I guess mine would be. So this, this is Thursday. So tomorrow night I am playing a show with my friends, the band Sure Sure at the Satellite in LA. So if you live in the LA area,

Steven and I will be there. These guys are coming. I think I can only put one name on the guest list. I'm coming. Okay. But if you are around and want, I absolutely guarantee that you will love this band.

Sure, sure. They are so fucking good. They're going to be famous. I just. You played them for me and I was like, it was one of those things where this reminds me of a little of this and it was all like classic bands that you love. Yes. It's really fucking good.

Yeah. It's not. I told them because we did a show together like four years ago and it was just because my friend Kevin is in the band and he was like do you want to do a show with us and i told him after the show i was like i was so scared to see your band because when do you go see a band and you're like that was the best thing ever it's not that often yeah it's intimidating when you go see when not intimidating when you go see a friend who's like come see me do this thing you're like all right and you're like oh my god you're so talented yes it's just so exciting and people are great and their their music is just

so listenable i mean i've i've already given the recommendation yeah um and you're playing music first and i am opening for them yeah so i'm gonna do a couple of my old moldy oldies you have some you have some like classic songs then you have some comedy songs too right yeah are you gonna do i don't think i have classic songs you don't do a lot of like well then you have some like classic songs, then you have some comedy songs too, right? Yeah. Are you going to do? I don't think I have classic songs. You don't do a lot of like, well, then you have like sad ones. Classic songs like, like Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. Yeah. No, just like not, not outright comedy.

Some of my comedy songs make you sad. Exactly. Yeah. But I can still hide behind the comedy part. So that's good. Yeah. I'm only going gonna do a handful um if i was at the show and someone did like if they're i would be like get off this i just want to see this band please um so i'm excited to see you play i'm excited to

play because i haven't done it in a while i haven't seen you play since i've known you oh yeah you got it i did a show sorry i did a show um when we were in denver i got to do for the high plains comedy festival i got to go do a variety show after our show which was super fun and a bunch of people that were at our show came to that show too and i thought it was going to be kind of shitty because i hadn't played publicly in a really long time. And it was super fun. So I'm super looking forward to it. But more than that, if you like good music, I would recommend being at

this show. I think, yeah. I think it's gonna... I'm excited. I mean, Stephen. How long was that? Stephen. Stephen. Fuck. I like this episode. Yeah, that was a good one Thanks for listening I don't know

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