My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 88 - Live at the Comedy Theatre

Episode Date: September 28, 2017

This week’s My Favorite Murder comes to you live from the Comedy Theatre. On stage, Karen and Georgia cover serial killers Ivan Milat and The Brownout Strangler. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Um, and buy your tickets now. Hi! Hi! What's up? Melbourne! Hi! We put on hand lotion like right as we were walking out. A little bit greasy for you.

I'm not ripping my hair. It's because I'm nervous. We've been waiting so long to see you, Melba. Thank you so much for being here. This is... You alright? No. No. Yeah.

We're excited to be here. We bought a lot of stuff already today. You guys have cute things. Yes. Some quality. Well, can we just start? Can we start where I need to go? I didn't want to bring it up myself. No, it was mine to bring up.

It's mine to bring up. We were just, George and I were just sitting in the back, in the dressing room, you know in one of them light up mirrors like they have backstage at theaters like this and we're just putting on pounds and pounds and makeup and

talking about stuff and whatever and like we do just slowly as we're chatting I I just started to tilt a little bit to the right and in my mind I was like either you're tilting to the right or you have a very large brain tumor and it's about to get the action's about to start now and right as I was about to turn to Georgia to say hey are you tilting to the right as I am the chair I was sitting in folded underneath me the legs of it broke. And I fell all the way down to the ground. But I fell butt first with my hands toward Georgia. Eye contact the whole way down. Help me.

And it was so slow. And so sad. And I have that problem of laughing when people have unfortunate events. But I know, like, oh no, isn't this stuff for you? Like, it's very thoughtful. This was your way of helping me. Georgia was like this. No!

Her arm was barely extended. No, A, I was laughing way harder than that. B, I think I just went to you and hugged you. Because I was like, this isn't going to go well. I kept thinking that I was going to be able to recover because so much time was passing. It was like fucking January, February, March. So I was like, this is going to end soon.

This is going to end. But instead it just kept going. You were just laying there laughing. Just sat there. Don't even get me up. A little bit folded up, and then Vince had to come in and pick me up off the ground. It was that major. Well, today, earlier.

Hold on. I'm not done. No, because. I was going to share a thing that happened to me. I know. I just need to fully process mine, though. It's yours. It's your moment. I know. I just need to fully process mine, though. It's yours. It's your moment.

I'm positive mine's worse. The waves of shame are still hitting me. No shame. No, so much. It was like the chair had been broken before, clearly, and was now duct taped together. And that was the story we're going with. No, I swear. and that was the story we're going with no I swear

when you bend metal with your ass okay what happened to you did you fall down no I did something dumb though in front of a lot of people well it wasn't whatever I was like birthday in Melbourne I'm gonna go shopping all kinds of vintage stuff and I was like

I'm gonna go sit at a cafe by myself and have breakfast and wear a scarf. Yeah, I was wearing a scarf. So I got all dressed up and I put makeup on and I was leaving the hotel with my headphones in and all these dudes who park cars around. Ballets. Ballets.

And I was just like, da-da-da. It was very Sex and the City. And then there was a step I didn't see. And then when I, you know, like, when I do anything, I make a lot of, like, very, like, I can't just step off a step and not know it's there. And I fucking tweaked my back a little. And I turned and looked at one of the guys just to be like, can you believe, you know, just to be like, I'm okay. And he was just staring at me like he was disgusted at me. We're going to get him fired.

Yep. So it's been a clumsy day. Yeah. And then, and then just one more just hit me. Oh no. Yeah. It's just going to keep happening. No.

Do, do, do until I eat Pringles in my hotel room tonight alone. Do it. I will. You guys, what an amazing trip. We're in Australia, for Christ's sake. We're in Australia. Yeah. I had to tell you when they first

suggested this idea that we come down and do this tour both of us were like we can't do that we can't travel I get anxiety we can't go far away it seemed impossible

it seemed like a joke yeah we'll go tell them we'll be there We can't go far away. Yeah. It seemed impossible. Yeah. It seemed like a joke. Like, yeah, we'll go. Okay. Sure. Tell them we'll be there. Totally. But then it actually worked out.

Yeah. I think a big part of that was that somebody, and I'm not sure who it was, flew us first class. Ooh. Yeah. That'll do it. Don't be jealous. I feel there's definitely some anger. We'll go anywhere if you fly us first class.

For real. We'll go straight to fucking hell. We'll be like. First class. We'd love to go to hell and do a couple shows. Yeah. Do they have a menu I can take a look at? Do they have a lounge that I can go to first?

All the people we talk about are there. We might, it might actually be very dangerous for us to go there. Yeah, that's true. But to make things fair and like,

to make myself not get a big head, I stole something from first class. That's right. Georgia, Georgia kept it super real in first class.

It was a little like, fuck the man joink punk rock always but can I get another champagne please yes and I need a better pillow so you got really excited because they served us

food you know I love that that's not the part I got really excited because they served us food. Everyone gets excited about food. Then Karen turned around in her seat and said to me, did you see the salt and pepper shakers? Because they were a little pepper and a big salt

in the shape of the Sydney Opera House. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. It was like pretty adorable. I thought, I saw them. So then I had four wine with dinner. Or breakfast.

We're not sure. We don't know what time it was. We still don't. They closed the shades. They turned the lights down. There was like, you know, they put like fake twinkly lights up. So we're like, dinner. Great.

Wine. Yeah, I believe it. Dinner. Dinner. Wine. And then after dinner, I go backstage to go to the bathroom. Backstage? You called it that twice.

Is that because of the curtain? Yeah. I know. There's people who are bustling around working. It reminds me of what you think life's really like, which is like, everything's fake. We're not really on a plane in the air. It's like it's simulation in your brain. So we go backstage where the action happens.

That's where all the clockwork, like it's for hamsters and a thing, making the plane go. Exactly. That's what we call help is just hamsters. So everyone's working and that's not true. Everyone's working and bustling around and I'm waiting for the bathroom and the laboratory.

And excuse me. The laboratory. Yeah, I'm first class now. And I'm like scrunched into a corner and I look to my left and there's like a big tray full of salt and pepper shakers. And everyone suddenly is like turning

with their back to me. So again, four wines. And so I fucking into my scarf, took care of it, and so I fucking into my scarf, took care and then I walked by Karen thank you thank you oh no the police

and as I walked by Karen I was like giddy while I was even peeing I was like oh she's going to love this I was like I should save it for when we're in Brisbane for our first show. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. I have to do it now. And so we walked by and

threw them at her. And I had already was trying to figure out how to look them up online to buy them. I was like, would that be in SkyMall or does Virgin have their own version? I'm like, I'll like this. Of course, there's no Wi-Fi to check anything, so it's just all up here. And then squirrely Scarfie walks by and goes like that and puts them in my hand.

I almost started crying. I tried to grab her face. I was like, oh, my God. But quietly because everyone else is asleep. Except for the baby that was screaming in first class. Whoa! First class baby. Rare.

A rare bird. Screaming first class baby. Screaming first class baby. You could hear the other, the people who are used to being in first class, who live there, and that's their normal life, they're just like, Is the baby leaving? Before we take off? Where's the, who's taking the baby leaving before we take out where's the

who's taking the baby away is there a night nurse or a wet nurse somewhere to take the noise making baby away maybe a white a wet night nurse a white newt nurse

no too many words that I just tried to say at once what was the other thing how about the shirt you got me oh No, too many words that I just tried to say at once. What was the other thing? Oh, how about the shirt you got me? Oh, just today you mean? Uh-huh.

So then I went walking out in Melbourne. Do-do-boo. I do have to admit, we were in Auckland for 48 hours, and I saw the inside of my hotel room and then the inside of the theater that I was in. I know it's not funny because it's like the most beautiful country on the planet perhaps. They don't want to hear that.

It's here. Oh, are they like is this like the Dodgers versus the Giants style total vicious? Yeah. Or the coast versus the middle of our country. Oh, right.

Red state, blue state? Uh-huh. Is this some intense political shit I just stumbled into? Fuck. Anyway, it's so ugly I stayed inside. Wow. Steven, cut it. Wow Steven cut it Oh Steven's here

Oh Steven's here Come on Steven wave to the people Look at him Say hi Hi Say hi. Hi. Hi. Yeah. Say hi.

Hello. There we go. Okay. Now, can we have that spotlight? Steven's going to sing a song really quick. No mic. Okay, bye. Bye.

Somebody that... We're making him sleep in someone else's car. we're not it's his own car you're like that was the most hilarious older sister movie you're like come out here get away and i'm not even anyone's older sister but i'm good at it pretty fun right yeah it is we have good training she got me a shirt uh there's a store that you guys have it's like the best called danger field danger field yeah fuck it's so cute i got like a i had i got a scarf that's like flower print and then there's just flying squirrels little ones all over it and then one that's the same thing but

flying bats all over it it's like the's the same thing but flying bats all over it. It's like the best. As opposed to ground bats? Shit, I meant bats and flying squirrels. Is that what it was? No, you got it. Bats. And then you came back from the hotel. Well, I was in the store.

She showed me all these things and I'm like, now I have to go. Because at every point somebody either Georgia or I has to be laying in their bed so she went she took the first shift and went out into the world and then I stayed there eating bonbons and then she came back and then when I went out to Dangerfield and I was just like I wish I was 30 years younger so I could wear some of these wonderful pigeon prints or whatever the fuck is happening here. But I'm like looking through, there's so many cute things. Tiny things.

Also like, what size is a small or a medium? What size is a medium here? I don't know. It's all small. And the tiny shop girl was like, well, I'm an eight. And I'm like, well, then I'm a fucking 40. Because, my God. You fucking bitch.

Oh, anyhow. No, but I'm going through these shirts. And everything I pull out has like a different wonderful, like a koala with a gun or whatever. Just great ideas everywhere at that store. Fun stuff. You're a mascot. A koala with at that store. Fun stuff. You're a mascot. A koala with a gun. What you love.

Flip, flip, flip. Pull out. And there's a shirt and it has a gray cat sticking out of the pocket wearing a babushka looking mad. And I was just like...

So I text... I took a picture and I sent it to George and I'm like, why didn't you buy this? I was like... I had been like, fuck you and I put it back. Well, clearly I didn't see it to Georgia. I'm like, why didn't you buy this? I had been like, fuck you,

and put it back. Well, clearly I didn't see it. Yeah. So then she came back, knock on my door. And I brought it to her, but Georgia, I don't know if you know this about her,

but Georgia loves to be nude. Oh. Yeah. It's nude or house dress is my preferred form of being yeah preferred state of being it's fun my preferred state of being is slowly falling off of a chair i've broken for the rest of my life i do like to be nude it sounds so like pervert-y but it's not in a perverty way. No, it's natural. Yeah, so I answered the door naked.

I like to use it as a joke, too. She's like, what's up? Just like, here's your shirt. I wish I didn't get you now. It was basically like, put some clothes on. Put this on. With pants. It's fun to be, it's fun to,

like, people don't expect you just to be, what? You know, naked is funny. It was funny. Thank you.

It was very funny. We know each other very well. Yeah. Here's what I was going to say. So when we got here, when we were in Brisbane the first day, one of the first, so another part of part we're just going to keep talking about

first class this is how new it is to us like you guys would too and perhaps you do if you ever go to the fucking first class lounge they have all the stuff sitting out that's like the nicest stuff to eat like before you even get on the

plane they're like don't worry you don't have to hang out with plebes. Go upstairs. Get out. In the airport. Don't eat Burger King. Come up here. And so they have all these little jars. It's Hungry Jack's.

Oh, Hungry Jack's. Hungry Jack. Wow. It's good stuff. Wow. It's good stuff. So they had all these little jars of yogurt with muesli mixed in, which is very foreign, and we don't have really that in America.

You have it, but it's like at Whole Foods, and it's for hippies, whatever. She's talking about muesli, not yogurt. You just have yogurt with granola. Yeah. You guys have yogurt with muesli. And dried fruit. Fresh goat's milk yogurt served by the goat who gave you the milk. So charming. Stewed fruit.

Stewed fruits tied in a ribbon. Stuffed into your muesli. So I was like, this is my new lifestyle. I'm just going to do muesli and yogurt for the rest of my life. And then we were joking around. We were like, oh, no, because somebody gave us Tim Tams. And we were like, oh, shit, here's the dream. Because Tim Tams are clearly the perfect food,

second only to muesli and yogurt. And we were like, what if there was a Tim Tam murder? That would be so amazing. Either that's the weapon or it's, you know. They fight over it. Yeah. Two people is the last box or whatever. Well, I'm looking on the internet. Uh oh.

Which we like to do. There has been a muesli murder. What? Did you hear about that? She's springing this on me. Oh, you did not. I told you. When? Okay, listen to this. Can you give us a second? The fucking owner of a famous... No, you're not telling us.

I swear to you, the owner of a famous muesli company, a 75-year-old man, stabbed his business partner to death. Do you know about this? There's a murmur. Very recently. A murmur from the muesli community. They had to shut their specific muesli company down i think it's called the muesli company wow something like that that's so weird and then the murder i did in brisbane sorry the chick uh the chick confessed because they gave her tim tams remember oh yeah that's right

that might have not been correct but i saw it in one article and i was like i'm going with that That chick confessed because they gave her Tim Tams, remember? Oh, yeah, that's right. That might have not been correct, but I saw it in one article, and I was like, I'm going with that. Yeah, who cares? It doesn't matter. This, by the way, is my favorite murder. Oh, yeah. Clearly. This is Georgia Hartstark.

I'm Georgia Hartstark. That's Karen Kilgara. I'm Karen. Thank you. Thank you. All right, sweet. Is it sit-down time? That's Karen Kilgaro. I'm Karen. Thank you. Thank you. All right, sweet. Is it sit-down time? It's sit-down time.

I think that's it. We've done everything we can. We've done everything we can. I'm scared to sit down. Do you want to switch chairs just in case? I mean, will it help? They do look, okay. Just, if I start to slide to the right,

just you there, just stick your hand up. Just do one of these. Karen. Because I can't do it again. You're responsible for this. You just put a lot on that poor girl's not going to enjoy the show now. It was like this.

I thought you were like aghast at something I had said. I don't remember what I said. It was almost like a Michael Jackson kind of like, but then I ended up on my ass. I just want to make it clear that I did not just laugh at you and not try to help. I came for you to save you. I just happened to be laughing the whole time. It was just so slow.

Also, I just knew you couldn't help me. At that point i was beyond help it was like i what here's the thing and we all know this once you fall in public like you can start to fall and you're like and if you catch yourself you can just walk away maybe you have some hot cheeks but that's all right you hit the ground it's over you're fucking done you're done for you're the person that fell on top of that, you're the girl that broke two legs of a chair. Good, good night nurse. How am I here right now? It doesn't make sense. How are we doing? Okay. Half eaten mint. Yeah. I shouldn't have put that in right before we walked out on stage.

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conditions apply. Hi, I'm Una Chaplin, and I'm the host of a new podcast called Hollywood Exiles. It tells the story of how my grandfather, Charlie Chaplin, and many others were caught up in a campaign to root out communism in Hollywood. It's a story of glamour and scandal and political intrigue and a battle for the soul of the nation. Hollywood Exiles, from CBC Podcasts and the BBC World Service. Available now on Spotify. So you're first, right? It's me, right?

All right. Okay. I'm going to settle in. Guys, I decided to just go for it and pick one of the most famous serial killers in Australian history, Ivan Milat. Wow. Goddammit, we just put lotion on. Okay. I spit a little.

Uh-oh. Is he here? Something like this is going to be embarrassing. Titter, titter, titter. Titter, titter, titter. Titter, titter, titter. I went to school with Ivan Milat's grandson. I worked with his nephew. My mom used to be in this office where the wife of the secretary turned out to be.

We want all those people to email us, by the way. Yeah, that's right. We're not making fun of them. You had best. That cheer, we always feel like we need to say for the people who are here for the first time, with people who forced them to come the ushers never yeah the people that work here people have never listened to this podcast we're not cheering for murder no we're not i mean it seems like we are but i swear to god we're not that's not what's happening remember in auckland when we were meeting people

afterwards and these two girls came up and we hugged them and then I looked at the girl's face and I'm like this is the first time you've heard the podcast, huh? She's like, yeah. I was like, I could tell by your face because you were not happy to see us. You were a little nervous but your friend was like, hi! And you were like, hey.

Hey. Hey, you guys are scary. We're an acquired taste. Yeah. By cool people. Like, what's it called? Marmite. Yep.

Vegemite. Vegemite. Sorry. It's called Vegemite. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Some girls send to us, they gave us Vegemite, and then they go, don't put it on like Nutella.

Yeah, because I think that's the mistake. It's disgusting. And it's like, well, you ate a fucking spoonful of it. You're not supposed to, like, eating a spoonful of mayonnaise and being like, ew, it's gross. Or it's like, well, you fucking did it wrong. But I love the idea that, like, you put on everything like a Nutella. You're just like, we're all going through life like, I bet this is super delicious exactly like Nutella no matter what, even though it smells like fucking nickels.

I mean, what's up, Australia? Okay. I would like to say that my sources for learning all about Ivan Milat and the backpacker murders are a British show called Crimes That Shook the World. Congratulations, you shook the world. A show called Crime Scene Investigation Australia, which is, yeah, it's really good, except for on YouTube, it's, yeah, it's really good except for on YouTube it's ripped, so it's backwards. It only takes up like a quarter of the bottom

of the screen, and the audio is sped up, so as I watched it, I began to go insane. So, I took the hit for you on that one. Oh, wow. And then also a website just called news.com.au No. Oh, wow. And then also a website just called news.com.au. No.

Karen, your computer is on fire right now. Back at the hotel. It's all just Russian people in my computer. Oh, look at this. What? She's weird.

Wow. She likes violence. So in the late 80s and early 90s, Georgia, I don't know if you know this. Let me know it. This was really my time when I was really at my prime. I hardly broke any chairs and I was doing all kinds of drugs and drinks. Well, people who weren't total losers like me were backpacking all through Australia. It became such a huge thing because

you could come to Australia cheaply and then you could, you could on a shoestring budget, you could backpack all throughout the gorgeous country. You could go to the gorgeous world famous beaches. And actually they started building youth hostels so that people could do this. And it turned into a billion-dollar industry of backpacking around Australia in this time. That all changed. Oh, no. Yeah. On September 19, 1992, two joggers who were running on a trail in Belangelo State Forest. Never run on a trail.

Belangelo. Oh, I added an E in there, sorry. Belangelo. I'm homesick. Belangelo State Forest. So they're jogging, imagine this, they're jogging on a trail and they smell something. No, always. So strongly that they know it a trail and they smell something. No. Always.

So strongly that they know it could only be a dead body. Wow. So they go off the trail about 10 meters. I don't know how far that is in America. Listen, we were busy shopping all day. We didn't have time to do conversions. I've been shopping

and falling. Me too. So in the brush, buried under some sticks and leaves, they find the body of Carolyn Clark. The police are called. They set up a search area. And the next day, in doing one of those walking searches where it's like 30 police officers arm to arm,

they find the body of Joanne Walter. She's found about, officers, arm to arm. They find the body of Joanne Walter. She's found about, oh, 30 yards away. Okay, I'm going to go metric and American all throughout this. Throw them in there. What's up, yards? Okay, so these two women had been missing for five months. They were both young British students who had come separately to Australia. They both had always dreamed of coming here and

backpacking here. They both loved traveling and they met at one of these youth hostels and they had decided that they were gonna spend the summer picking fruit to make money and then like finance their backpacking around um around australia uh so in april after they had kind of done all that they had decided to hitchhike hitchhike back to melbourne and that was the last time anyone saw them alive um the police determined that carolyn had a sweater tied around her head she'd been raped and shot in the head ten times. Holy shit. Joanne had been raped and she had been stabbed 14 times. What? Both of the women were bound and they had found Winchester cartridge cases near the bodies. So, yeah, it's real quiet.

Okay, but other than what I just named, there was almost no evidence that they could find and so essentially the case went cold. And so a man who lived nearby and who knew that forest really well, his name was Bruce Pryor, and he had kept checking the newspaper to see if any other stories would come up about these two bodies that had been found there. And he didn't see any. And so he decided since he knew the forest so well, he was just going to start going out and looking to see if there was anything else to be found So for the next nine months he

searched around a thousand meters of forest and then One day he spots a human skull. It's upside down in the dirt. He picks it up. Oh He didn't know it was the 90s He brings it to the police and so he had good intentions he meant well at least he didn't use it as an ashtray for a couple months

or he didn't go like I was right and throw it back down this will show them so basically For a couple months. Or he didn't go like, I was right, and throw it back down. Shows, nah, this will show them. Okay. So basically the police were like, holy fuck, and they come out and they set up a perimeter, and they start searching the area,

and then a second body is found. Well, this is actually a fourth body, is found 22 meters away from where that skull had been in the ground. So these are the remains of James Gibson and Deborah Everest. They were two students who grew up in Melbourne. They decided that they were going to hitchhike together to a music festival in Albury, and they had both been missing for four years. James's bones had been marked with multiple stab wounds

Deborah had been bound, she was savagely beaten She had a lot of broken bones in her face And she had been stabbed Their bodies were 600 meters from where Carolyn and Joanne had been found So now the police set up a task force Of 300 police officers And they start combing the entire forest. So relatively soon after that,

they find the remains of German tourist Simone Schmidl. She disappeared while she was hiking from Sydney to Melbourne on January 20, 1991. And they determined that she, based on the marks, and this is how it happened with a lot of these remains because there was so little of them left, that they just had to count the stab wounds on the bones. So they knew she had been stabbed minimum eight times.

After her body was found, the police made an official statement that they had a serial killer on their hands. And that statement, of course, makes international news because, um, Simone Schmidl was German. Uh, the, um, first two women were British. It just goes everywhere that they, that now hitchhikers are going missing and then bodies are being discovered. Well, uh, up in Birmingham, England, a man with my favorite name in the world, Paul Onions. Oh, my God. Come on.

Dude. Dude. Go find him. I mean, I have to make him mine. Paul, you don't know me. And I certainly don't know you. Karen Onions. Mrs. Paul Onions. Mrs. Paul Onions.

Wow. So Paul Onions, right? He gets the paper and he sees the story and he fucking freaks out because four years earlier, he had a very interesting experience

very near the Belangelo National Forest. Belangelo National Forest. Belangelo? It's really scary in this podcast saying whenever you say a place you get this like scared feeling because you just are waiting for a scream at you.

Imagine that. That's why we have started our new program Spell It Like You Say It. Yep. Fuck yeah. We just, it would help us so much if people would just fucking start spelling things phonetically. Yep. And stop being assholes.

Okay. So here's the thing. There's a hotline number in the article that he's reading. So he calls up and he's like, hey, I'd like to give an official statement because here's what's happened to me four years ago. He's hitchhiking. He was hitchhiking. He was in Liverpool, but in Australia. And he's trying to hitchhike a thousand kilometers back to Melbourne. And he's trying all day. He finally meets a guy named Bill, who's super nice and cool. And Bill's like, oh, hey, are you trying to hitchhike where are you going and Paul Onions is like I'm trying to get to Melbourne and he's like so am I jump in my big old truck listen Onions did you call him Onions he was like

hey Bloomin' Onion get in my fucking car and that's how the Outback Steakhouse was born. Sorry about that, by the way. I'm so sorry. We don't go there. No. Okay. So they're in this truck. This story is so fucked up. Do you know that I don't know it at all?

And I'm so excited right now. You don't know this at all? No. They're in Bill's truck. Okay. And they're driving for a while. And then Bill's like, oh, hey, I can't do it.

I want to do it so bad and I can't do it. By tomorrow night, we'll have learned. Yeah. I had to watch more TV. Yeah. I tried to make a joke

about how people here say the word snicks instead of snacks and I tweeted it and then all these people are like, oh, that's a Kiwi accent and I was like, well, here's a Kiwi accent. And I was like,

well, here's an American accent. Go fuck yourself. Seriously. I can't take it. It sounds like snicks to me. Also, it's just fun if someone goes, would you like any snicks? Yes. I would like 1,000 snicks. I mean, I'd want them even if they were snacks. Yeah. But now I want them for sure. I want them more because they're snicks. Yeah. Okay. Snick snack. Let's focus.

Yeah. Guys. There's so many pages left. Okay. Here's the thing. They're sitting in the truck. He's like, we're about to, there's going to be no more radio signal. So I'm going to pull over here and I'm going to go in the back and get some tapes.

Because it's the late 80s, early 90s., and Paul onions is like, that's cool, man. Cause he's so chill and awesome. And so he goes to open his door to stretch his legs and Bill suddenly gets real rude and is like, stay where you are, put your seatbelt on. And Paul onions is like, Hey man, I just wanted to stretch my legs. He's like, stay there. So then he shuts the door and he's sitting there and he looks down. There's a whole bunch of tapes right there in the console in between. And he's like, uh-oh, this isn't good. Maybe he just wanted a thousand maniacs in the back or whatever. 10,000? Thank you. Well back then they were only 1,000 That's when you liked them, they were only 1,000 Oh no, that's scary

Yes, so he's like Just when I was watching Whatever one of those backwards Fucked up shows were that I was watching That idea that you'd be sitting there Like okay, that thing where the first thing A person does that's weird But you're like, oh okay, I guess I'm still going to sit here

because I don't want to be rude to the super weirdo who's yelling at me out of the blue. Or doing a super normal thing like opening a car door. Opening a car door is a bad sign. And then it's like, all right, well, Bill's pretty cool. I think, oh, oh. And just like the stomach drop. Yeah. Right as all that's

happening, the driver's side door flies open. Bill comes in and goes, you know what this is? And he's holding a gun. Just to your two fingers? No, it's a gun. It's, yeah, it's a pretend gun. No, it was a real gun. He's holding a real gun

on my blessed and beloved Paul Onions. What a stupid thing to say too. Do you know what this is? Yeah. Like just say I have a gut. Like, yes, I know. What if he was like, no, yeah, I don't recognize that. I have a strange brain disease. I'm a pacifist, and I don't recognize your weapons. Those don't exist to me. I don't see weapons. And then he fixes his beautiful hair. He has really long hair. He fixes gorgeous.

Kind of blonde hair. Onion hair. Yeah. What a dick. He's turning into an asshole. Okay. But the ironic part is Paul Onions does not have body odor. And that's why I love him the most.

God, he got teased so much for that. You know it. No, he smells like delicious flowers. Do we have a picture of Onions? Of Paul Onions? No. I only had a picture of the reenactor. And that's not the man I love.

He's too beautiful for us. He's too beautiful to have his picture taken. Bill's like, do you know what this is? Paul's like, I sure fucking do know what that is and jumps out of the truck. Bill starts shooting at him as he runs up the highway

away from the truck and luckily a driver pulls over and lets beautiful Paul Onions into his car and drives away. Thank God. Thank God. So this all was a phone call on the hotline. It took him two hours to tell that story. I forgot that part. So that statement is taken. He hangs up and doesn't hear back because when they set this hotline up, what they didn't realize is that in the first 24 hours of this hotline, they got 1000 pieces of evidence. People were calling in all over the place with

all kinds of stories and the police were completely inundated and were not prepared to process that much information. So meanwhile, while they're trying to set up hotlines and get the word out and do all of that, they're still searching the Belangelo National Forest. You're mad at them for that name now. We're in a fight. It'll be fine by the time this is over, but this is the drama of the story. Okay, so as they are searching, they find the remains of German students, Anja Hopschnied and Gaboya Nogebauer. They had left for a winter holiday.

They'd gone to Bali in 1991, and they had decided, like in around December she had finished up her school they'd gone she she was on winter break they decided to go to Bali and then when they were done with their time in Bali they were like let's hop on over to Australia and go to Bondi Beach so they spent Christmas on Bondi it's Bondi now okay what is it? Bandy Bondi Bondi. It's Snicks. Can we Snicks Beach? Okay.

Snicks Beach. World famous Snick Snack Beach. They're they're due home in Januaryuary of 1992 they never make it home so when uh when they process the bodies they find that gaboya had been shot in the head six times anya had been decapitated and her head uh was not found um but the police did find 47 cartridge cases at the scene, and they were able to match those cartridge cases to the ones found near Carolyn Clark's body. So now seven bodies have been found in the Belangelo National Forest.

So the police get a forensic psychiatrist to make a profile of this killer. Love this shit. Right? make a profile of this killer. Love this shit. Right? And based on the location, based on the violence, based on the weapons, based on everything, he basically says this killer would have grown up or worked in the area of this forest.

He would have had past criminal behavior. He would have shot guns with his family. He would have a big family that would have insulated him and separated him from the rest of society. And he would have had major control issues and been a real macho type. And as they're talking about all of that, the police are like, we know a guy like that. And we know family like that.

Oh, fuck. It's Ivan Milat. Whoa, they were just like, oh, we know this guy like that. And we know a family like that. Oh, fuck. It's Ivan Milat. Whoa, they were just like, oh, we know this dude. Yeah. So they had been kind of a family that was well-known in the area. Maybe we say it like that. They had made a name for themselves where they lived. So Ivan Milat was a road worker.

He spent most of the 60s in jail he loved guns he had a four-wheel drive truck he had 13 brothers and sisters holy shit uh-huh um when they interviewed his neighbors they said that he was friendly outgoing he was always washing his truck or tending to his garden um And... Like, as this, some guy in the audience or some chick's like, I do the same thing and I'm not a murderer.

I heard somebody just go, pfft. Murderer. Immediately, you know. Fucking murderer. Loves to garden. We know your type.

So all of his neighbors are like, we really like him, he's friendly. But they go to interview his ex-wife and she's like uh yeah yeah you want to talk about Ivan Milat well uh it was he was married to a woman named Karen husband who was gun crazy. Aren't you bummed that you laughed at her now?

Yeah. She says that he often took her to a pine plantation, to the Belangelo National Forest, and to the Ginolan Caves. Which are, I guess, a tourist attraction. Thank you so much, mom. My mom's here, everybody. That sounded like an American accent. Typical. So they start then with all of these things kind of lining up, they start looking into Ivan's early police record. And they find that he was convicted of an eerily similar case in 1971. In April, Good Friday, 1971, he picked up two hitchhikers near a Liverpool train station.

He pulled a knife on them, bound them, gagged them, told them if they screamed he would kill them. He took them into the forest and raped them both and put them back into the car. And one of them convinces him to pull over so they can get a drink at a gas station. And he lets them. And she gets out of the car. They both get out of the car and go into the gas station and get in there like, you fucking guys, help us. Oh, my God. And everybody gets them.

And then they go after him. He got away, but eventually he was arrested. He was facing, don't clap yet. He was facing two counts of rape and robbery. And what he does was he faked his own death. What? By, yes, he left his shoes at a renowned Sydney suicide spot called The Gap. Which, I used to work at The Gap.

You worked at a suicide spot? It's not that bad. Oh, sorry, I stepped on your. No, no, it's okay. I think it worked. I think you built it. Okay. So anyway, he escapes to the place we all hate so much, New Zealand.

But he returns in 1974 because his mother had a heart attack and she was hospitalized. And so they re-arrest him then. Yeah. They had arrested him the first time, but time but then he of course faked his own death at the gap he bought he bought a sweater faked his death yeah left town left his shoes in the changing room yeah like oh shit they were just like oh no i guess he's gone. Go back to folding these sweaters. Have I ever told you my sweater folding story? I don't think so. This one is a little bit classic and it's worth me stopping this horrible tale. I used to work at the gap for real in San Francisco. It was my first real job. And it was also when I was really also working very hard at being just a dedicated alcoholic.

And so the day after Halloween, where my friend and I went dressed up as two people who worked at the Lancome counter. What? Is that what we're dressed as right now? Yes, exactly. We just went out in our black clothes and my friend got two Lancome name tags for us. That's cool. It was pretty rad. And then we just got beyond shit-faced.

The next day was a fold-down day. If you've ever worked retail or worked at The Gap, you know the fold-downs. You have to go into work like four hours early and literally refold the entire store. Every single item in the store is refolded with a board. So it all looks perfect. Just to break your soul. Just to, just to, cause they're like, Hey, you were paying you $6 an hour. Why don't you earn it? Yeah. Um, yeah. So, uh, we went in, we woke up, we were supposed to be there at seven in the morning. We woke up at eight 15 to the call of our manager being like, you fucking assholes get down here but luckily we lived

one block away and so we like in our Lancome outfits we go in we start folding I have the back wall and it's I'll never forget because every time I see these sweaters like at a thrift store I'm like here it is it's one of these sweaters a gap it's a gap sweater from

1991 I'm folding down this wall these sweaters. It's a Gap sweater from 1991. I'm folding down this wall of sweaters and so hungover, like just still a little drunk. It's funny because she doesn't drink anymore. That's right. So you can just, I've never killed anyone with a car or gone to jail. So let's celebrate my alcoholism. I fold down a line of this whole wall of sweaters. I get to the bottom of the first row and then I just lay down and fall asleep on the ground. And there, my manager,

Colleen came up and she's like, go home. Oh my Colleen. Colleen, she aided and abetted my alcoholism. All right. Where are we? Falling asleep on the couch. Oh, okay. So, he's rearrested, but he is acquitted of both the rape and robbery charges because there was not enough evidence. I'm sorry. So, I know. These two chicks are like,

How about this evidence, motherfucker? Hi'm Evidence. My name's Evidence One and Evidence Two. So the police go to speak to the rest of the Mlatt family and they interview his brother Alex and his brother Alex's wife and they talk to them for over an hour. It's just they're not getting much. The police get up to leave and Alex's wife goes oh hold on yeah and she goes and gets a backpack and hands it to them and goes he gave us this as a gift oh could you have led with that honey I guess there are some issues she was having some problems the police take it and find out that the backpack that she gave them, that Ivan gave to them,

belonged to Simone Schmidl, the German backpacker. So then, simultaneously, or at least that's how it seemed on these shows that I was watching, they're going through all the statements that they had gotten in the first month of the hotline, and they find beautiful Paul Onion's statement. Oh, my God. From all the way up in Birmingham.

And so they call him back, and they find out that his story is real. They actually have the Birmingham police interview him to make sure that he's not some nutcase. They end up flying him down to Australia, and Paul Onion identifies Ivan Malat in a lineup. And so the police can now arrest Ivan Malat for the attack of Paul Onions. So on May 22nd, 1994 at 6am, the police surrounded Malat's home. It's really funny in the reenactment, they called him on the

phone and were like, Hey, can you come outside for a second? And then he did, and then he was down on his perfectly manicured lawn. Wow. Face first. Because he likes gardening. That's right. He likes things just so. When the police enter his home,

they immediately start finding trophies from all of these murders. There's all this camping equipment. There are all kinds of personal belongings just everywhere. The police are identifying them as they look around the house. And they also find rifles, ammunition, hunting knives, and a sword. And then hidden inside a wall in a plastic bag, they find pieces of a Ruger.22 rifle, and when the ballistics expert reassembles those pieces, test fires it, it matches the bullets used to kill Carolyn Clark. So Ivan Mlatt is charged with the murders of all seven victims,

and on July 27, 1996, following a 15-week trial, the jury returned after three days and found him guilty on all charges. He was sentenced to six years' imprisonment for the attack on the most beautiful man in the world, Paul Onions, and seven consecutive life sentences for each of the murders of the backpackers.

Yay! When asked if he had any comment, he protested his innocence. He said he didn't do anything. Oh, for sure. But his younger brother, Richard, told the police that there were, quote, heaps more bodies out there to be found. And there are. There are 11 other unsolved missing persons cases that are extremely similar to the backpacker murders going all the way back to February of 1971. Holy shit. So I'm just going to go through these real quick.

Karen Rowland was driving behind her sister. They were driving up to a hotel in Canberra when... Shut up. No, I'm kidding. What is it? She's asking her friend who's... Canberra. Canberra.

Canberra? Okay, really quick, just a suggestion. How about you spell it C-A-N-B-R-A? Oh! Okay, I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you at all okay this is so creepy the two sisters take two separate cars why it's not as fun they must have had work or something it makes me so mad when i read that i was like what

what her they're driving her sister loses sight no no of karen in the rearview mirror her car just isn't there anymore. She continues on to the hotel. And then when she gets there, Karen isn't there. And she thinks maybe she went back home. She doesn't understand what happened. So they search. They find the car with an empty gas tank on the side of the road.

Oh, no, she ran out of gas. Yeah. And she ran out of gas. And then 15 meters off of the trail in the Fairburn Pine Plantation, they find her body. She was lying on her back, legs straight out, her arms encircling her head, clothing pulled down, indicating sexual assault. A beer bottle was found nearby. So in June of 1972, Robin Hoyneville Bartram and Anita Cunningham, 19 and 20, respectively. They were student nurses.

They were roommates. And they were going to spend the summer hitchhiking around northern Queensland. They set off from Melbourne on their way to Bowen. It really is scary. They were never seen again. In November, Robin's body is found under a bridge in Sensible Creek. She was shot in the head with a 22. Anita's body was never found. Uh,

a woman told police that she and her mother had chatted with those girls at a hotel that July. And the girls told her they'd gotten a ride with a man named cowboy. Steven, do you have that one picture of Ivan Malat? Oh no. Oh no. Oh, no.

It's actually very in fashion now, what he's wearing. I can't. Yeah, we had no idea what you just said. Okay. Okay. Friday, October 5th, 1972, Gabrielle Janke and Michelle Riley decide to hitchhike from Brisbane to check out a party on the Gold Coast.

A week later, Gabrielle's body is found at the bottom of a steep embankment on the side of Pacific Highway at Ormew. Ten days later, at 6 p.m. on October 23rd, Michelle's body is found 12 meters from the road in the bushland off of the Mount Tamborine Highway. They both had massive head injuries from fractured skulls, and both of their clothes were pulled up, and branches had been covering their bodies.

On October 30th, 1978, 20-year-old Leanne Goodall was dropped off by her brother Warren at the Musclewellbrook train station. Warren thought she was taking the train back to Sydney but in fact she decided to go to Swansea near Newcastle to see her parents. She got off the train in Broadmeadow in central Newcastle. Someone spotted her at 3 30 that afternoon at the Star Hotel. She was never seen alive again. Her remains were never found. Robin Hickey, four months after

Leanne Goodall's disappearance, 18-year-old Robin Hickey leaves her family home in Swansea to meet friends at the Belmont Hotel south of Newcastle. She's never seen again. Amanda Robinson is a 14-year-old girl who vanishes on her way home to Swansea from

a school dance. Ivan Milat was named as a person of interest in all three of those disappearance cases because he was working a road crew at the time, but there was not enough evidence to arrest him. And then there's, I mean, look at this. There's three more pages of people who had the exact, it's the exact same MO. It's always 15 meters off of a trail, back in the bush. In the same area, generally? The same age. It's girls that he meets at hotels.

There's always a witness. But in the same general area, kind of, too. Yeah. It's along the Gold Coast, right? They're not sure either. You guys fucking flunked that class, too. But it's basically this eastern coastal side and all up. Because basically, this I did look up on Google Maps.

It takes like seven hours and 37 minutes or something to drive from melbourne to the belanglo national forest and so that thanks and so that's like the that's basically the area that he was working in and he was a road worker he also delivered tires truck tires so was always, he was always on the road and he was always leaving work and coming back, um, where, and like having people cover for him and stuff. Now really quick. Sorry. I mean, those are just like, there's, uh, there's six more people who have the exact same M.O. in their death. There's 58 total of missing people.

Oh, my God. There's pieces of their murder details or their murder that can be related to Ivan Latt. But because he will not admit to anything and never has, they can't get him on anything or prove anything. And their families, you know, have no, have no satisfaction. They just don't get to know. Um, so he's in jail, right? And he decides to cut off, he's 73 now. He's still in jail. He's in the super max. He's going to be there for the rest of his life. In 2009, he cuts off his little finger with a plastic knife. Ow! And the people in the jail decide they're not going to reattach it.

I mean, he doesn't fucking need it. I interpret it, I'm sure there was like a medical reason and a whole decision, but in my mind, I was just like, they're like, no, you did that to yourself. He had previously injured himself by swallowing razor blades, staples, and other metal objects. He went on a hunger strike because he wanted a PlayStation. Oh, no.

That was in 2011. And now, in 2012, his great nephew, Matthew Malott, and his friend, Cohen Klein, who were 19 when they were sentenced, they were arrested for murdering David Autraloni on his 17th birthday with an axe in the Belangelo State National Forest. And Matthew killed him, and his friend taped it on the phone, recorded it on the phone.

That's how they got caught. Oh, my God. They were sentenced. Matthew was sentenced to 43 years in prison, and Cone was sentenced to 32 years in prison. And now I'm seeing this thing, too. On May 15th, his older brother, Boris, told Dr. Steve Apern that Malat was responsible for another shooting in 1962. He shot a cab driver in the back

because he wanted to rob him and he ended up paralyzing him. And that's a, they were just doing a special about that on TV recently. And that, my friends, is the story of Ivan Malat, the backpacker murderer. Sorry, that's so long that's what he looked like while he was cutting his pinky off he's he's like come on I want a

playstation I'm only the worst fucking person in the world my god how did I not know that one yeah it's so nuts I, you just can't help but, I don't want to police shame, but like, why didn't this, bye. Bye. Oh. I didn't know they fell. I'm not sure why

I didn't even give you a look. I didn't even give you an old, I'm going to pick up my glasses look. She was like, she's police shaming again. I'm getting off. I'm sick of it. This is a walkout. It's just the thing of like, why didn't even give you an old, I'm going to pick up my glasses. She was like, she's police shaving again. I'm getting sick of it. This is a walkout. It's just the thing of like, why didn't they figure, Oh, put it together. But they were, the bodies weren't even found. Nobody knew it was just missing and no details whatsoever.

Plus there's the whole thing of, you know, the old school, like, uh, like mindset of like, well, if we start saying all these backpackers are missing, the tourist trade's going to fucking die. That's exactly right. So maybe it's that these new cops came in and were like, yeah, but we can't let people disappear. Well, I think the second

they started finding bodies, that was all over. They shut it down. Yeah, hopefully. Yeah. Well, no, that's what happened. Yeah, but... Yeah, hopefully. Yeah. It, no, that's what happened. Yeah, but... Yeah.

Hopefully. Yeah. It's literally what happened. I just fucking told you. I watched three specials about it. I'm an expert. That was such an in-your-face mint put in your mouth. I've never seen anyone...

But, dang, the final word, mint. Oh, no, she put the mint in her mouth. Can't tell you. The mint's in. All right, everyone. You guys have some, when we went to Auckland, we were just like, well, we have two murders to choose from. So I guess I'll take this one and you take that one. Yeah. Not here. No. Not the case whatsoever. You guys, there's a reason we're going to be here for three nights in a row. Not because people

want to see us, but because we just couldn't pick one. The government's making us tell all the murders. Yeah, we're doing it to social service. You're welcome.

Yeah. All right. Well, this one, this is the story of the only American man ever executed on Australian soil. It's the Blackout Strangler. Oh.

Ooh. Right, right, right. Right, right, right, right. That's the correct. All right. Height of World War II. While Melbourne was sending soldiers overseas to fight, they're like heroes and shit, and there's a brownout in order.

So a brownout just means that there's a reduced availability of electrical power. So at night, street lamps and car lights, they're all lowered. So the Japanese fighters can't bomb the shit out of you guys. They're like, I don't see anything. Let's get out of here. Instead of being like, look at all those beautiful lights of Melbourne, which is like a thing, you know? Yeah, they're known for their lights. They're like, I don't see anything. Let's get out of here. Instead of being like, look at all those beautiful lights of Melbourne, which is like a thing, you know? Yeah. They're known for their light. They're known for their lights. Like I think they call you guys the city of lights.

Oh, I've heard of that. Yeah. Um, okay. So also a lot of employees, employers were letting young women, um, leave in daylight so they could get home safely before dark. Cause you know, dark, leave in daylight so they could get home safely before dark, because, you know, dark. But, so a lot of U.S. soldiers were stationed in Melbourne after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, so all these makeshift camps for American soldiers were popping up. And, excuse me, I forgot my tissue. I shouldn't have told you guys that.

Here. I realize that now. Thank you. I don't know what to do with that. Wipe your nose with that bottle cap. Scrape my nose across it. Just dip it in and

release. Okay. They're housed in military establishments called Camp Pell. Today it's known as Royal Park. May 3rd, 1942. You get ones it's known as Royal Park. May 3rd, 1942. You get ones like Rail Park? Royal Park.

Oh. Sorry. Sorry. I just audienced you, essentially. Royal! It's called Royal! May 3rd, 1942. 40-year-old Ivy Violet McLeod

was waiting for her tram. Can you see I copied and pasted this from Australian articles? Waiting for her tram on Victoria Avenue in Albert Park around 2 a.m. when she's attacked. You wooed at, and she's attacked.

Just at the perfect time. You gotta do it right away if you're gonna do it um okay her body was found by a hotel cleaner who was hosing down the footpath outside a hotel he saw an american soldier get up from a stooping position in a nearby shop doorway he was gonna run after him but decided to try to help the woman but it it was too late. Ivy was dead. She was partially naked, badly beaten, and strangled. Her purse was still in the area, so it was obvious that robbery wasn't the motive, and witnesses said that they had seen her in the company of a U.S. soldier late the previous night. We have a photo of her, and while that's up, I'm going to

subtly wipe my nose on my dress. her and while that's up, I'm going to subtly wipe my nose on my dress. Oh, how nice. Oh my God, you're an angel. There's tissues happening at me. Oh no, she has a knife. What if she didn't give these to me? What if she just took the tissues and... She was just like,

you should buy some of these. Thank you so much. This has happened before. Security. That's every shirt that was at Dangerfields today. It's so true. It's the first thing I think of when I'm just like. Karen. For real.

So that's Ivy McLeod. So she is killed. Sorry. Sorry, honey. She looks like my grandma. A week later, let me bum you guys out more. A week later, 31-year-old Pauline Thompson, she's a stenographer. She's married to a policeman. She's a mother of two.

She strikes up a conversation with an American soldier at a restaurant. They go to a bar after dinner to talk, and they spend several hours talking and drinking. The next morning, she's found lying on the steps of her Spring Street home. Her clothes are in tatters. Okay, so there's a photo of her. This is Pauline Thompson. Okay, ready for this creepy thing? In a Victorian first, police created a photograph. Police created a mannequin dressed in her clothes and put a photograph over her face hoping that a witness would come forward.

Steven, put that nightmare up. What? That's what that is? Look at her hands. It's mannequin hands. Holy fuck. Yeah. I mean, that's what we're in it

for, right? That's like crazy, awful, creepy, creepy hands. Look at the hands. Did it, did I ever tell you the story about when I was little and I was at the store with my dad and he's like, just don't touch anything. Yeah. Right. Which I could never do. I was like five. No, you're a child. A child. And he would always take me to like hardware stores and stuff that didn't have candy or toys or anything good. And I remember he went to get something and I just walked up. There was a mannequin wearing like a mechanics jumpsuit.

Coveralls, yeah. And I was just, I just went like, just like my finger ET style touched the mannequin's hand and the whole arm came off of my hand. And then I was just alone holding a mannequin arm like, shit, do I shove it back up? And my dad came around the corner. He's like, Jesus Christ. Karen, you shouldn't be allowed in retail shops anymore.

You're real proud of yourself. And then you laid on the floor and fell asleep. That's right. I was so drunk. The drunkest five-year-old ever. Okay, so they did that horribleness. Yes, I don't want to turn back around. Poor mannequin.

Good night, everyone. Have sweet dreams tonight. Wait, did it work, though? No. Oh. But, you know, people were like, well, we saw her with an American soldier the night before. But I don't know if any of it came directly from that.

It just gave a lot of people nightmares. So shortly after this, an American soldier admits to another soldier that came directly from that. It just gave a lot of people nightmares. So shortly after this, an American soldier admits to another soldier that he had killed two women. This dude's name is Edward Joseph Lanowski. Yeah, and he's 24 years old. He's a former New York grocery store clerk. He had broad shoulders and strong hands,

and they had said by the looks of the way the guy had strangled women that he had large hands. That was one of the things they said about him. He was well-liked by most who knew him, although other American soldiers reported that he liked to drink heavily, and that when he did, he became particularly aggressive, especially towards

women. A file described him as the soldier from hell, and he earned that notation after he attempted to strangle a young woman in San Antonio, Texas. He was caught, charged with assault, but never prosecuted. Instead, the U.S. Army was like, send him to Melbourne. Sorry, guys. Sorry about that. So he arrived on February 2nd, 1942, and that first murder happened on May 3rd of that year. Wow. Yeah.

So, okay, so he told his bro that I killed two women. His bro was like, turn yourself in, claim insanity. Edward's like, nope. And the soldier's like, okay, and, like, didn't turn him in. So, again, apologies, Melvin. Edward's like nope and the soldier's like okay and like did internment so again apologies Melvin he's like well I gave you the one suggestion I have

that's all I got for you I don't know what else could be done I guess I'll see you in the mess tent yeah alright so the final victim oh let me show you a photo of this dude Edward hey I'm gonna to murder you. That's him?

Yeah. They said that, so he was a total alcoholic, and a lot of people were like, he was super fun, and a lot of people were like, he attacked women. But the ones who said he was super fun, one of the things they said he would do is get super drunk and then get up on the bar and walk across the bar in his hands. Like Pee Wee Herman old style but on your hands

look at that crazy son of a bitch yeah his forehead is so low it's tiny it's too small it's a small forehead someone with with a three head i would like to say his is a one and a half head that That's true. It barely is there. Yep. Or is it just that dumb hair? It could, it looks like both. Okay. I'm going to go both.

Um, my mom, his final victim, 40 year old Gladys Hosking on May 18th, while walking home from work in the chemistry lab at the university of Melbourne, which is like what a badass, she is caught in the rain. An American soldier offered to shelter her under an umbrella he was carrying. It's our old friend Edward. He attacks her, he strangles her, and she's found inside the Royal Park boundary not far from Camp Pell, just 350 meters from her boarding house. In just over two weeks, from May 3rd to May 18th, 1942, three women had been killed by him. So the murderer becomes known as the Brownout Strangler

because it's during a brownout and he strangles people. I didn't need to explain that part. Stephen, cut that out. It was actually symbolic of something else, but you wouldn't understand. They called US soldiers brownouts. That's what they called them.

Because they were total bummers. What a fucking brownout that guy was. Ew, I just licked the microphone on accident does anyone have any hydrochloric acid i'm just gonna drink it an australian soldier oh god that was disgusting an australian soldier told police so okay so gladys gets killed. Australian soldier tells police he saw a U.S. officer slipping under the Royal Park

fence on the night of the murder. He shines a torch. That's not what we call flashlights. So, clearly, I copied and pasted that. In the guy's face, it was all muddy and he asked him why he's covered

head to foot in yellow mud. He's covered head to foot in yellow mud, which is like, what's that? Diarrhea? No. It's mud, and it's just yellow. What? I don't know.

Because it's wartime. I don't know. Because there's a brownout, so there's not enough brown to go into the mud? What the hell? That's got to be it. Yellow mud?

I don't know. I didn't look that part up. Okay. I didn't even look out what meters means. So, clearly I was shopping all day. Okay, so the dude says to him, I fell over in a pool of mud going across the park. That's like his excuse, and it's like, okay, go ahead.

They were good with it. Right. The description of this soldier, though, matches the individual. Pauline Thompson was seen with the night of her murder, as well as a description given by several women who had also survived recent attacks. So I guess he'd been fucking attacking women all over town. People had been

surviving. Yeah. So after days at Camp Hell, they're going from fucking soldier to soldier being like, are you a murderer? Are you a murderer? Like interviewing people. I guess. I don't know. I made that up. I bet that's how they did it. I bet that's how they did it. Could have been.

Police investigate. I think we have a photo of Gladys actually. Did I bet that's how they did it. I bet that's how they did it. Could have been. Police investigate. I think we have a photo of Gladys, actually. Did I already? Yeah, there she is. Aww. Right? Look at that outfit. That's not my aww, but okay. Okay, so back in. Soldier to soldier.

You, you, you, you, you. Police investigators get to Edward Lanoski's tent, and the yellow clay matching the crime scene is found on his tent, his shoes, and his bed. So he's just flailing himself all over the fucking place, apparently. It's so yellow. I hate yellow. Okay.

Then, okay. So he's arrested, charged with the murders. Behind bars, he confesses to fucking everything. He tells investigators that he is Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. And his motives for the killings was a fascination with female voices, especially when they were singing. What? Yeah.

Creepy. So all those women had been singing? Well, he says, he claims that he killed women to get at their voices, quote. Oh, no. I know. Kind of like a Little Mermaid thing? Yeah. He was a fucking original sea witch.

He just... Sea witch. Yeah. He wanted to... That guy's fucking stupid. Crazy, too. Yeah. So he said about his second victim, Pauline Thompson,

he said, she was singing in my ear. It sounded as if she was singing for me. She had a nice voice. I grabbed her. I don't know why. She stopped singing. Well voice. I grabbed her. I don't know why she stopped singing. Well, because you grabbed her. Fucking idiot. And the investigator was like,

goodbye. I'm going to go to, what's that? I'm going to go to the gap. See you guys later. Can you imagine hearing that? Someone saying that to you? Okay. According to a psychologist who interviewed Edward during his trial, he grew up in an abusive alcoholic family and one of his brothers had been committed to a mental institution for life. His mother had been overprotective and controlling and I bet she fucking sang a lot. I bet.

You know what I mean? I didn't say that, but it's like, well, clearly. Yeah. That's my, what's this, profile of this murderer. You've profiled it. His mom sang a lot. Yeah. That's my, what's this, profile of this murderer. You've profiled it. His mom sang a lot. Yeah. But she was like,

just the most horrible sound of all time. So essentially, I could show you right now what that sounded like by just singing. She put him into bed and she'd be like, All right. him into bed and she'd be like, alright. Good night. Sweet dreams! I love you! And here in the corner is a mannequin with

my face taped on it. Night night, Edward! Night night, Edward. I'm gonna go be an alcoholic, which is also what she was. And she was overprotective and controlling. The idea of as you're shutting your child's bedroom door, good night, I'm going to go be an alcoholic. You stay in here, okay? And stare at my mannequin face.

That's a hard childhood right there. face. That's a hard childhood right there. She had also been in a mental institution, but she also favored Edward more than his other fucking crazy brothers. He got bullied by neighborhood kids and called him mama's boy.

According to the psychologist, he said, and you know 40s and 50s psychologists were like, well, and they were like, what? That doesn't make sense. Oedipus complex? No. Symbolic matriocyte. And I was like, that sounds familiar. Our friend Ed Gein. Oh yeah. I like kill people because they're like, it's my mom. And you're like, it's actually a woman you don't fucking know. They just want to kill their mom over and over again. Exactly. Exactly. Um, so cause it, cause of the resentment and hatred of his mother.

Bad singing is really irritating. This is why I don't, well, I do sing sometimes, and it's, yeah. Just do a little song right now. What should I sing? Just sing I Will Always Love You. Oh, how about, look at this stuff, isn't it neat? I'm just speaking. Do it.

My complexion's complete wouldn't you think I'm the girl the girl who has everything you just tried to kill me I only did that for a joke that was good I watched that movie 4,000 times when I was a child

that was my only friend. What do you call it? Shoes. Okay. Okay. During the trial, evidence was presented that indicated that Edward had possible dual personalities. I just love the word dual. Dual.

Dual personalities. The just love the word dual. Dual. Dual personalities. The court heard that. So, when the Mnonski got drunk, his voice changes. He talks more like a girl. Uh-oh. Says stuff about, this is a quote, I wouldn't.

He talks stuff about poltergeists, werewolves, demons, creepy stuff. Talks to himself. Cool stuff. Yeah. He talks about the kind of stuff they have on the clothes at the, what's the store?

Dangerfields. At Dangerfields. God, that would have been good if I could have remembered that. Talks to himself a lot. Other times it was like he was talking to someone else. Maybe he was talking to someone else. Yeah, he could have been talking to someone else. Although Edward Lomasky's crimes were committed on Australian soil,

the trial was conducted under American military law. Yeah, that's Mark Harmon style. Yeah. NCIS, baby. Yeah. I said, yeah, I don't know who that was. I've never watched that show in my life. They have.

I want true crime. He confesses to the crimes, convicted and sentenced to death at a United States Army general court martial in July of 1942, but it's here in Australia. He's executed at Pentridge Prison.

You guys stay there sometimes? You love it? Is it the best prison? Yeah. You can live in a prison? You can get breakfast there tomorrow! You know, normally heckling makes me really mad. Yeah, me too! But that's my favorite thing anyone's ever yelled at me.

You can live there, and you can get breakfast there. You can get breakfast there tomorrow! She'll have the muesli, I'll have the beans on toast with a fried egg. Georgia loves a nice breakfast bean. You guys have really brought her over to the baked bean breakfast bean side. Thank you so much for that. What's congee? Don't answer now.

It's on every menu for breakfast, but it's like congee. And I'm like, what could this be? And then it's like with shrimp or grass. Congee's like a soup. Oh, is it? Or grass. I don't know. Just random stuff where I'm like, I can't put together what this breakfast item might be.

There's a lot. It's not French toast. I know that. If it ain't muesli, she don't want to eat something. Fuck it. Okay. The precise details of his execution were... Wait, sorry.

We had to eat breakfast at that prison. Obviously. Will you guys meet us there tomorrow? Yeah, we'll be there. Share time is over. That poor girl. Is she crying? The one I just yelled at?

I'm sorry. I can't do it. I can't do it. That was a real mind fuck because we supported yours and we attacked you for yours. I'm sorry. Now I feel so him. Sorry. I can't do it. I can't do it. That was a real mindfuck because we supported yours and we attacked you for yours. I'm sorry. Now I feel so bad.

Nope. Never look back. Da da da. He. So for some reason the details are a secret of how he got killed but the hangman

had a fucking journal which is like give me that to read tonight please immediately. And it says that he was hanged. Right? Sorry. Why?

In the hangman's journal, if they publish a book do you think the inside flap of the picture of the author he'd have is... You know what I mean? What? You know the hangman has to wear that thing on his face so you just don't know who he is. Guess what? What? What's this?

It's the Hangman's Journal. Are you kidding? No, put your glasses on. Hold on, everybody. I wasn't being an asshole. I'm serious. I didn't mean it like that. No, no.

She can't see anything. I can't see shit. Wins and I were at the airport and you came and I was like, hey! And I was like, oh wait,

she can't see anything. I knew that you had to wait to get here before you could see me. It's really funny because oftentimes I'll be walking toward people and I'll watch. I know that thing is like a big wave. I'll see a movement like this and then I'll see the mouth get smaller and smaller where it looks like I'm just icing someone as I'm walking. It's like, they're like, Hey Karen. I'm just like walking. And then she goes, Oh yeah. And I'm this close. I'm just icing someone as I'm walking. They're like, hey, Karen. I'm just like walking. And then she goes, oh. Yeah, and I'm disclosed.

I'm like, oh my God, hi, how are you? And they're already sad. Sorry, this is like, the Hangman's Journal is like a fucking scrapbook. That looks like a picture of a pelvis. It does. You can go read that somewhere around this town. Okay.

Yeah, probably at this prison we're having brunch at tomorrow. Let's turn into brunch and I'll have a momos. So, but he gave all the details of all the hangings? I think it was like a diary. Wow. He was like, dear diary, today I hanged a person. I feel pretty good about it, because they were bad. It's my job.

They're making me do it. Yeah. So, okay, so they think that he was hanged. But legend, I just burped, sorry. Legend also has it that the locals were permitted to provide the rope and gallows. Isn't that cool? What? Like, the people were so fucking pissed off about this guy murdering their people

that they were like, here's the rope and here's the gallows. Hang that motherfucker. Oh, they, like, built the gallows and were were like, here's the rope and here's the gallows. Hang that motherfucker. Oh, they like built the gallows and were just like, they're basically like, look, we'll take care of everything. You just get your hangman up here. Yeah, tell him to bring his diary because this one's going to be good. Write this down. Yeah.

We built the gallows. So that's the story of Edward Lemoski, the brownout strangler. Wow. Thanks. Thank you. It's all you brownout strangler. Wow. Nice. Thank you. It's all you. That was good. You did it.

Well, we did it. We did it. That was an American special that we brought over to you. You kill him, we'll grill him. It's time for a hometown murder? It's time for time for hometown murder? It's time for town hometown murder. Let's see. Is there a way we could get a little bit of light?

Yeah, yeah. Let's see if there's anyone that has a story they'd like to tell us. Nobody here. Yeah, let's do kind of a brown out lighting situation so that we can't really see anything. Ooh. Karen does this. Do you want to do it? Do you want to do it?

Come on. Yeah. Karen picks. All right. Come over where Stephen is. I think that way, probably. Oh. He's right there.

Hi, hi, hi. Don't trip. Don't fall down. Hello. Hello. Oh, look. Look at her skirt. Hello. Hello. Look at her skirt. Hi, it's a dress. Are they falling all the way down?

Careful. You don't wear stay up stockings. It's okay, guys. Look at it. No, you guys have the cutest. What are you doing? Stay in the forest. Don't get hurt.

Stay out of the forest. Is this from Dangerfield? No. Don't get hurt. Stay in the forest. Stay out of the forest. This is so awesome. Is this from Dangerfield? I know. This is so cute. We're acting like the one store we've been to is the only store in Melbourne. Is this from the one place we've been to? Yes.

I heard you guys don't have any others. Hi, what's your name? Hi, I'm Rebecca. Hi, Rebecca. Where are you from? Everyone will cheer for you. Thank you. The Yarra Valley. All right. I knew it. Yes. I knew it. Hi Rebecca. Where are you from? Everyone will cheer for you. Thank you. The Yarrow Valley.

What's your hometown? Okay, so I have a few but I'll just do one. If it's really good, you can do more. Yeah, or if it's really bad. Okay, go ahead. I won't use exact names because I still live next door to my mom. So weird how you can't see anyone out there. That's so creepy. I know, right? No, I know. It's better.

It's better. Just look up into the light. This is days off. So basically, my mom and dad moved to Coldstream. I don't know if you know Coldstream. Of course we know Coldstream. They know it. Along the Maroondah Highway.

So basically, high traffic area. And they start building this house. And there's an old little barn out the back. A little bit creepy. And basically where they're going to build the house, there's a big tree out the front. Big cherry blossom. Massive cherry blossom.

My dad's like, I really think I need to cut this down. Why? Well, where the house was going to be so they could keep the old barn. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So the neighbor comes over and he's this big, massive guy, big beard. My dad's like a skinny kind of crocodile dundee. Oh yeah. We know him. We know him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have. He could shut the tree down with this big knife. Yeah. So you imagine this other guy that's massive and my dad's kind of skinny.

I'm going to get a control problem. Anyway. So this guy tells him, don't cut down the tree. No matter what you do, do not cut down this tree. Oh, chill, dude. Yeah. That's super chill. Yeah.

And so dad's like, watch me. Oh. The next day comes in with a backhoe, but the tree's been cut down and there's a big hole right around the tree. Oh, no. This is really sus. Dad's like, what the hell's going on? So anyway, pulls up the tree, talks to the guy next door. Doesn't know anything apparently, as you do.

And then so we build the house over the top where this tree was. Straight away, which ends up being my bedroom, mind you. No, no. There ends up being horrific hauntings. No. Yes. So this is like. Sit down.

Sit. What happened? What? Everything. So it starts off with my brother. So he's first in the room so there's 10 years between my brother and i okay so my brother adam wakes up there's these horrible horrific noises in the room basically this ghost likes musical instruments don't know if you'll believe in ghosts but anyway sure it doesn't matter my brother starts to learn the guitar so you learn

the recorder at primary school, basically. Sure, yeah. Then you go up to the guitar. So by grade six, he's like, master this guitar. Every night, family wakes up to the guitar strumming. Oh, oh, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So 10 years on, I'm just born, basically.

And my dad liked the ukulele so he would come in you guys just not have string instruments in your fucking house anymore so basically what keeps happening is these horrible things keep happening in our family things like you'd be in the shower and shampoo bottles

would come down on you like one after the other creepy as fuck. Like, petrifying shit, right? Oh my god. Anyway, so eventually these things keep happening, and I'm about four or five, and I say to my

mum, I feel like there's something wrong with the neighbours. There's something really strange. That was great. But she said it, and she was in a nightgown and her hair was wet. And her eyes were white i don't know what's wrong something's wrong mommy so basically the next day we're all sitting down for dinner and i actually sent you in this email as well about it. We read it. We loved it. Yeah, totally. Loved it.

So basically, the next day, we're all sitting down for dinner. Police come raiding through our house. They come through our house. They're basically like, if you have somewhere safe to put the kids, put the kids. So my brothers are older. We all went in the bathroom, stayed there. What the fuck? Dad gets out his knife, literally. Yeah. Yeah gets out his knife literally that's not a knife yeah yeah yeah it's like you call that a knife yeah and basically the police

raid goes through our house to the next door neighbors they go through the back paddocks we call them paddocks and then through the front of the house. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. Got it. And basically a body is found in their backyard. What? This is the big bearded guy's backyard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big, yeah, yeah. The freaky guy.

Okay. Yeah. And there's other bones that are found on the premises as well. They believe they were buried. There was tree roots through it. Oh, my God. What? I know, right? It's like oh then oh my god then

a couple years pass so the father's been put away at this point his daughter is about 1920 and a body has found a cold stream tip. She's almost decapitated. She's been injected with battery acid. Yeah. Battery acid in a sleeping bag, bound up with a phone cord. When we used to actually have phone cords, yeah? Yeah. Horrific.

They can't move the body because this, the daughter, which they didn't know at the time, her name's Karen. Uh-oh. She, yeah, sure. She has a thing where she always comes back to the body and every single time they've missed her. So they've moved the body and missed that chance of her coming back and trying to bury it or get rid of evidence.

So they're like, we've got to leave the body. So they're talking to the mother and they're like, we can't move the body, I'm sorry so it gets quite emotional the whole town is like this girl like we don't know the body's being found we don't know anything about it's all top secret they haven't they heard of a mannequin with a fucking picture taped on its face anyway so basically karen comes back with dynamite to blow up the body. Holy shit! And this is... Really quick.

You're not a compulsive liar. I just want to check. I don't care. It's great. It doesn't matter. But this is like, later on she does it again with dynamite. She has a thing with dynamite. What? So this girl had been, it was a drug deal gone wrong. Karen was a drug dealer and she had a house in Lillydale.

Wait, this is the daughter of a neighbour? Yeah, yeah. So Ian was a really bad guy that hid the body underneath where our house was and then had a body in the backyard. And then Karen's the daughter who's in a, she's about 19, 20 by now. Okay, okay. So basically drug deal's gone wrong she was living in lilydale she moved back in with her dad after this girl was killed now she gets the dynamite

comes back to blow up this body please it's not a solution yeah so when she comes back um basically the cops jump on her so she's done for's arrested. Her boyfriend was waiting in the car. Now when she does her statement, so basically she rats out her boyfriend, she got less time because she was making sandwiches in the kitchen while they were torturing this girl for 48 hours. It's repulsive. Oh, my God. Yeah, so she got less time because of that.

So, disgusting. Yeah. So, yeah, I know, right? And this is... This is happening next door while you're growing up? Well, no, so this is... So, the daughter, she was mostly living at Lilydale. So, she's doing all these drug deals and stuff like that.

Whereas Ian had moved out, so just his wife was still there. Okay, okay. Okay, so basically, Karen then gets out of jail a few years later. Her boyfriend's still in jail. She gets dynamite to blow out her boyfriend out of jail. Karen! Karen, there's other things in the world!

Please, stop! Jesus Christ! Okay. Mom's like, would you do the dishes? She's like, yeah, I've got the perfect solution. Dynamite! It's like, Dana, mate. It's just what she does. Oh, my God. So she ends up going back into jail, obviously.

He does more time. Fast forward about, I think it was about three or four years ago. She ends up moving back in next door to my mom. But it's okay. She's a born-again Christian. It's all right, guys. Amen,ian oh sorry guys amen amen forgiven so good yeah jesus forgives me yeah yeah yeah like all that shit the debts are cleared the thing that like really fucked me jesus does love dynamite

loves it so in the end yeah my mom still lives next door to them. Oh my gosh. Do you guys have them over for Christmas every year? Yeah, like what's 4th of July like? Just really tense. They don't have that here. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, that's the story of the jewels. That was our last story. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's the story of the jewels. That was our last story. Oh, my gosh.

That was amazing. Rebecca. You guys, Rebecca, everybody. Rebecca. Good job. That was amazing. Wow. Top that.

I mean. Oh, no. Don't fall. Spot her. She, no. Don't fall. Spot her. She's dizzy. So are we. Wow, you guys. That was very powerful.

That was super a lot. It was a real journey for all of us. I believe in ghosts now. I didn't believe in ghosts before. I don't know. Guitar playing ghosts. We're so scared right now. I'm so scared.

We're gripping each other. It's also freezing up here. You guys, this has been such an amazing show. Thank you so much. What a kickoff for this run tonight. Thank you. Thank you so much. This has been, we're so excited to be in Australia. You guys are so fucking nice. It's amazing.

We're so happy to be here. We're so happy to be here and We're so happy to be here. And, of course, we just want you to stay sexy. And don't get hurt. Goodbye, you guys.