My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - 94 - Go Get Your Thing

Episode Date: November 9, 2017

In this week’s episode, Karen and Georgia cover the Bloody Benders and the Moorhouse Murders. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...

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Starting point is 00:01:26 The apartment version. Yeah. God forbid we ever do one of these. God, it's been so long, it feels like. I know. Doing like a regular episode? You know what I feel like we've discovered in touring this great nation of ours? Tell me.
Starting point is 00:01:41 It's difficult to tour this great nation of ours and then come back and immediately start recording podcasts that's not an easy balance to strike it isn't it's a huge difference i think i'm more used to live shows now than i am to this sitting on my couch talking to each other yeah and it's also uh we have to do a bunch of work to do those live shows and then when we come back we have to do a bunch of work to do those live shows. And then when we come back, we have to do a bunch of work to do this version of the show. Yeah. Complain, complain, complain. I mean, you just got to wonder, you know.
Starting point is 00:02:14 It's so true. You just have to wonder. That's such a good point. And wait. And look and learn. Look, learn, listen. And again, wonder at the end. And then at the end of the day, you're just left you're you bookend the day yeah wondering and wondering yeah but hopefully with
Starting point is 00:02:31 like a childlike sense of wonder yeah i think that's and definitely while you watch the wonder years i think that's important definitely you have to do that you have to have kevin arnold narrating your life please did i ever brag to you about the time that um fred savage directed the tv show i was working on no and he i was so starstruck by him and because he is kevin arnold it's just like that's who that person is he will always be and he looks it's like it's like, it's a grown up Kevin Arnold. It's not an actor who's like, oh yeah, it's fucking. It's not a version of Kevin Arnold. It's Kevin Arnold.
Starting point is 00:03:13 And he sounds exactly the same. And he looks the same. And he couldn't be a nicer, more talented and more professional person. So he's the kind of person, and this is very rare in Hollywood, where he's talking to somebody else and you're standing there, he'll turn and include you in the conversation. Which the first time he did that, because it was on Two Broke Girls and I was working with Pat Walsh. So he and Pat Walsh are good friends. So I have you standing there. So then he just like turned and it was like the bright shining light of Kevin Arnold was suddenly coming back my way.
Starting point is 00:03:45 It was very upsetting. And I think I just made a face and walked away. Because it was like, I didn't realize how starstruck I would be. It didn't, anyway. I would have been too. I would be. I will be. I'm going to be positive when I meet him one day.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Yeah. And I would, and I would, and I will. And you would, and you will. And I bet you he's used to it because it's one of those things of like, there's a generation of people that he talked directly to once a week. Totally. It's fucking crazy shit. This is the wonderment we're talking about. Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:04:17 I finished Mindhunter today. Finally. And what's your end opinion? My end game is that I just want it to be a show about the guy who plays Ed Kemper. I just want to watch Ed Kemper, the Ed Kemper character, live and love in prison. It would be an amazing show. I just love that guy. The guy who plays him is fucking pitch perfect.
Starting point is 00:04:41 What if he weren't pitch perfect? Four. Is there a four yet? What if he can sing acapella group ensemble bullshit so well? Goes back to college. He's like, I'm going back to college. Yes, I want to kill all the women around me. Yes.
Starting point is 00:04:52 But listen to my angelic voice. Maybe he starts an acapella thing in prison. Yes. Brings everyone together. And that's how he begins to compete in the Pitch Perfect universe. And that's how he begins to heal from being a fucking psychopathic murderer, piece of shit. And he finally proves wrong.
Starting point is 00:05:10 All of the theories that you cannot cure a psychopath, right? Because you actually can cure a psychopath with acapella singing. That's all it takes. If you, if you can, without any music with your friends, sing boys to men. Well, Oh my God. You're, you're cured, with your friends, sing boys to men.
Starting point is 00:05:25 Well. Oh, my God. You're cured. You're a human. There's hope for all of us. All of us psychopaths. So then three stars, five stars. I just, you know, you know me.
Starting point is 00:05:38 I'm such a I'm such a complainer. I liked so much about it. I liked a lot about it. Four stars, three and a half stars four stars okay what's how many out of how many 12 no an infinite amount so it could be three shit we don't know but four out of infinite is still very low yeah i don't know yeah i'd like to remind you of the wall that had a rainbow painted on it in an apartment that was just presented as like here's an apartment and
Starting point is 00:06:11 this is how it's decorated when when the uh dr wendy what's her name was getting in a new apartment and kind of like starting her new life and they the real estate agent was like walking around that apartment they walk into a room and there's just a like really gross colored yeah four colored rainbow painted on the wall that was like a z yeah i stopped and took a picture of that screen with my phone oh my god so good so good um i also want to say that the new season of someone knows something came out this week that's right and they fucking just threw them all up at once which is like fun because then you're like you can binge goodbye forever i'm gonna listen to it and it's a i started listening it's really good of course and it's about um two black teenagers in 1964 who were killed by the klu klux klan in mississippi
Starting point is 00:07:00 and he's fucking going back to investigate it holy shit which is bananas and insane and so important and like fucking kudos to people to podcasts like someone knows something and the fall line who are doing important important work yes unfortunately still fucking relevant to shit hell yeah you know maybe more so yeah well also those guys i mean i actually don't know about the women who do fall line but the guy from someone knows something is a legit journalist yeah yeah he's a that's kind of what he does right so don't feel too bad oh that i oh i know i have no i know that i have nothing i can't come near that rainbow and touch it with my do anything important you could if you paint it on your wall in a z pattern can we talk about that
Starting point is 00:07:47 someone from when we were in florida last weekend doing our live shows where there was also an active serial killer while we were there um someone gave us a game a board game of guess who the game made into serial killers form and it is fucking so cool i want to cry yeah it's on our instagram i've never actually seen anything but the side of this game because the second this girl pulled out this game georgia clasped onto it and never let it go i didn't even ask i feel at one point i was like hey we should play and you're like like it was just like your baby but i have to say i'm too old for i've never played that game i but you've probably played it with like niece or nephew or whatever uh i i've never played that okay well we're gonna play and you're gonna love it i can't
Starting point is 00:08:34 wait to play it i mean i know about it yeah go to my favorite murder instagram to see photos of it it's all the like characters that it's like does your character wear glasses does your character eat the flesh of his victims like it's just this flip flip yeah it's always albert fish the papan sisters are in there oh you know it's just like is your character a murdery clown no put him down it's just the best it's so good and and it clearly this girl put in so much work. Yeah. It was great. And it's clever. And so I think that we should play one game before every time we record from now on. Okay. Isn't that great?
Starting point is 00:09:10 I just thought of that. That's great. And then we'll keep a running tally. Yeah. And then at the end, whoever wins the most games gets $50,000. At the end of what? At the end of this podcast run. That just got real sad.
Starting point is 00:09:25 At the end of our podcast run. That just got real sad. At the end of our lives. Oh, God. Oh, and it went on forever, and they just wouldn't stop talking about it. I mean, they just kept talking about it. I would like to say this. We, I believe it was last week, put up our ringtone. Oh, yeah. And I think Steven immediately was number one yeah it was somebody
Starting point is 00:09:47 on the on the facebook posted it originally and was like within 24 hours was number one it was number one on the itunes ringtone chart which is fucking hilarious no and also billboard did i tell you billboard awards what no i don't even know what else would it be number one i don't know um but i was just gonna say and then immediately there was a copycat yeah like marimba version right so i text we're in florida and i text steven i'm like hey what is that did you do that steven but of course you always forget that through a text it doesn't sound like that and so it probably sounded like did you do this steven did you do that and through a text, it doesn't sound like that. And so it probably sounded like, did you do this? Steven,
Starting point is 00:10:26 did you do that? And Steven was like, it is not me. And then I would got really sad where I'm like, that was not a funny joke. But, um, because Steven has written his own version of our,
Starting point is 00:10:38 we already have somebody to do versions of our theme song. We don't need other strangers who are doing, or just basically do that to all it's probably a robot who's working for the fucking russian government man listen i'm gonna get deep into conspiracy right now and there's fucking stealing podcast songs written by karen in 20 minutes on her fucking acoustic guitar this is putin at his worst so what we would like so steven's going to put people have actually tweeted about this and asked a lot about it when is Stephen going to post his versions
Starting point is 00:11:10 so we were like Stephen you now need to post your version so that if anybody's but if anybody isn't into the orig and they're like hey what about what about some salsa aspect or whatever is there a salsa I'm not sure can I get one that's influenced by the music of Selena? Well, yes, you can. Actually, yes, you can. And yes, you can. It's written by one Stephen. Ray.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Ray. Did you not know about his confirmation name? The one you just made up? Yeah. So Stephen's going to post his. What? Say it. Yeah, I'm going to post mine.
Starting point is 00:11:42 The bossa nova one. God. Because the people have been asking about it. Yeah. the bossa nova one god because the people have been asking about yeah bossa nova one's legit you can listen you can download them they can be a ringtone for like your grandma or they can be your alarm clock ring in the morning the bossa nova that's you're exactly right if you are ashamed to have a kind of like a bizarre pseudo country murder ballad you can do a version of it that's just gonna sound like just some fun interstitial marimba music or whatever i just keep changing
Starting point is 00:12:12 the style i mean the marimba one would be good too do you have that too uh well no i think the bootleg was copying that because it was the marimba which which I used in the Boston War. Fuck you, Putin. Putin went after Stephen's ass. Putin went after Stephen, not us. Yeah, that's right. So get mad at it. I think that makes us even angrier. Yeah. Because you don't go after Stephen. Yeah, we can fight. I do. We can fight dirty. I get to. Yes. But Russians don't get to. No, no, no, no, no. So anyway, if you want that, when are you going to do it, Stephen? and when's it gonna be up uh hopefully maybe it won't i don't know if it'll be up this weekend great this weekend yeah soon
Starting point is 00:12:51 so hold out if you want a version hold out for steven's version please don't support the weird ripoff versions no and you'll be able to weird no it's so weird but they don't know people don't know people don't know i don't know everyone's trying to make a buck. Tell me about it. Right. Speaking of, we have tickets left for our Kansas City show. Nice transition. Thank you. It's a Kansas City late show on December 9th.
Starting point is 00:13:15 It's a Saturday. Hey, Kansas City, if you feel like coming, come. We'll see you there. Yeah. Was that, did we add a second show? Yeah, we added a second late show. Okay. All right. So they're still available if you want to say you want to drive in from Minneapolis.
Starting point is 00:13:30 You know, maybe you're free that weekend. I don't know. Karen's offering options. Give them a brunch option for Sunday morning, Karen. If, say, for example, you come in for the late show, you're totally free to stay for brunch the next day in that city. Have a nice brunch. God, that'd be nice for you. You love coffee.
Starting point is 00:13:48 You love orange juice. You always talk about coffee and orange juice. It's an excuse to eat a Monte Cristo sandwich. Yes. Which my mom would always be like, well, we are at brunch. I'm going to get a Monte Cristo, which is a full on deep fried ham sandwich with jelly in it. And powdered sugar on top.
Starting point is 00:14:05 And powder. It's like eating French toast, ham, and like toast with jelly all at the same time. Don't. Eat them separately. Yeah. And privately. Very. Monte Cristo is a private sandwich.
Starting point is 00:14:16 That's for the dark. That's for the dark. Have you watched anything lately? Because I got one. Tell me. Alias Grace. No. The Margaret Atwood one. What's that? dark um have you watched anything lately because i got one tell me alias grace no the margaret atwood one what's that the margaret atwood situation yes i know i've watched it's a great i loved it i did that thing though where i was binge watching it so i would follow i would fall asleep and then have weird alias grace dreams and then be like was that the episode
Starting point is 00:14:43 or was i sleeping was there a giant frog yeah in it i don't know there and you won't either because no spoiler alerts but um i mean spoilers but i loved it i thought it was super fascinating and it's really well made um yeah i recommend okay i have one thing that i've been watching but i'm going to save it for my thing that i love at the end of the show. Okay. Because it's weird. Perhaps I should have done the same. Save that?
Starting point is 00:15:12 Save it. Cut it. Okay. Is that everything? I think so. Any corrections corners? Oh, I have a correction corner. That fact that people got upset with me that I said that putting your animal on Prozac was very L.A.
Starting point is 00:15:25 They're like, Hollywood? And they're like, I live in fucking, I don't know, Florida, and my cat's on Prozac. Like, people were specifically telling me that, you know, which I appreciate. Do ya? Sounds like it. No, I don't. But I get it. There was a couple people in the VIP when we were in Florida.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Thank you, by the way. I have to say, we had the best time in Florida. Yeah, we had a great time. Tampa, Orlando, Fort Lauderdale. And everyone there was like, thanks for coming to Florida. Like, we were doing everybody a big favor. And we had, the shows were amazing. So much fun.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Audiences were amazing. Yeah. So good. We had the best time. And you guys get a bum rap. What with all the, like, people eating each other's faces. other's faces the murder which is what we came for yes so we were we were not we were not surprised hi i'm una chaplin and i'm the host of a new podcast called hollywood exiles it tells the story of how my grandfather charlie chaplin and many others were caught up in a campaign to root out communism in Hollywood.
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Starting point is 00:17:07 Learn how at interact.ca slash for business. Terms and conditions apply. Now, who goes first? I went first. I went first in Fort Lauderdale, right? Okay. Awesome. That's you then. It is. Here's the, here's the exciting surprise. I'm not sure if I've ever, if I've done this before. What?
Starting point is 00:17:32 Yeah. How? I mean. Okay. Well, it'll be, if you don't know, then I won't know. I can't tell you how many times I've texted Steven and been like, sorry, is this like, it goes from like,
Starting point is 00:17:49 is Georgia doing this one when we're on the road to them? Like, have we ever done this one? Well, I've done that before. I've had to look it up because you just see the same name so many times over and over. And you have to like,
Starting point is 00:17:58 look for details to remember which fucking piece of shit was the murderer that you're like looking for. Also, we talk about things sometimes without doing them, which is what I think I'm remembering on this one. Yeah. But I could be wrong. I'm excited. Let's just tell me.
Starting point is 00:18:14 Let's do this. It's the Bloody Benders. Which ones are they? Why don't you tell me? Okay. Well, then that's a very good sign. Yeah. Well, no, it's not because I have a terrible memory.
Starting point is 00:18:23 Fuck. Okay, go. That was the most disappointing sign i wish i could be doing better right now but i'm almost positive i haven't i just know that there's a really good dollop about it that i've heard i have also that thing where all of my memories are starting to just bleed into each other where it's like did i do the podcast myself or did i hear the doll right like am i i don't i that name sounds familiar but i don't think we've done it all right i'll tell you about it tell me about that let me tell you a little about how about um and i actually at one point today because i had part of it done i called my sister because
Starting point is 00:18:58 she wasn't doing anything i'm like can you please find me some articles that I can read in the midst? So this was a real, this was a real 11th hour, super special one. But one, the main spot that I got, like to me, the best information, it was from an article on a website called Ranker,
Starting point is 00:19:20 which I don't think we talk about that much. I love Ranker so much. It is every time there's a ranker link that article will give me the biggest best chunk of information yep i so good i that's my late at night reading like 15 emts tell you their most gruesome fucking thing that ever happened to them or like it's just those crazy lists yeah and they have endless yeah true crime shit and serial killer shit yeah endless and there's so the woman that wrote this article is named kat mccullough and i'm positive that i've read her stuff on either also on ranker or
Starting point is 00:19:57 on other websites too so she wrote a couple of these articles about the bloody benders so um so thank you kat mccullough, for all the work you do, enabling me to do much, much less work. Okay, so in 1870, a family of German immigrant homesteaders named the Benders made their way by wagon to Labette County, Kansas, and settled on a 160-acre farm located directly on the Osage Trail. A hundred percent. You've never done this.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Really? A hundred percent. Okay, thank God. Because this is one of my favorites and I've wanted to do it for a long time. And I don't know why I haven't. I guess I just never. I lost track of it. We lost track after college.
Starting point is 00:20:43 Okay, good. That makes me happy. So, first the men went out. So, it was John Sr. and the son, John Jr. They went and they built a barn. They built a cabin. They dug a well. And then the mother, Elvira, who is also known as Kate.
Starting point is 00:20:59 And then the sister, daughter, named Kate. Okay. Elvira or Kate. Kate Jr. Kate Jr. Kate and Kate Jr. elvira like kate jr kate jr kate jr kate and kate jr elvira or kate senior very similar um they arrived in 1871 and um they bought livestock they had like a farm there was an orchard that was on the property and so basically they um the cabin that they built was pretty big so So it became the bender in. And so the front of the cabin was a general store and like, uh, the inn. And then it was divided by the canvas that they put over their covered wagon.
Starting point is 00:21:37 They took it off their covered wagon and then they put it up, um, to serve as the divider between their private, um, rooms and then the store and the rustic you know you'd see that on hgtv nowadays i'd love to pull down this canvas and just open up the space so we could see right into the orchard see the lice uh canvas can we get that down the smallpox canvas could we cut some circular? I think circular would be an amazing shape to see in this canvas. Absolutely. And then, of course, the lice. It'd be lovely to see the lice.
Starting point is 00:22:14 I'd love to see the lice backlit so that I can see the patterns that they're making in the canvas. Beautiful. Okay, so they all basically, they're pitching and they're like we're gonna have this place and it's this stopover so at the time of course there were it's you know it's the late mid to late 19th century america so there's all these they're moving american tribes and they're telling people you can come settle here and then you can also on your way you can go out to the west yeah hey we own this this piece of land now everyone exactly go get your thing i'm sure there's all kinds of details that people who care about history no i think go get your thing go get your thing is sums it up pretty much exactly go get your thing said a man in
Starting point is 00:23:01 charge and everyone went thank you yeah so they got their thing yeah they were like i fought in the civil war fuck this shit i'm out of here i want to go to california i want to get my own thing surf smoke weed yeah so the osage trail was one of the ways people went out to west went out west and so the benders saw that that was an opportunity they could build this spot and have this i keep calling it a stopover. There's a better word for it. I don't know what it is. But basically they could get provisions there
Starting point is 00:23:30 and spend the night or just get their stuff and go, but it would be like this central spot. Also, the daughter, Kate, claimed to be a psychic and a spiritualist who could talk with the dead. So the locals, that became a word-of-mouth thing, where then the locals were also coming there just to, you know, tell their grandfather they loved them and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:23:51 Or ask where they hid the key to the safe. To the horse. Yes. The horse won't start. Please, ask your father. And I was, like, thinking, why would people travel to go get like their palm read or whatever? It's like, because there's no TV.
Starting point is 00:24:08 There's nothing. Nothing to do but fuck and get your palm read. And then read that old Bible someone brought in their wagon with them. Yeah. And also stare at the lice canvas. So this place kind of became a place to be. I think of it a place to be. Okay.
Starting point is 00:24:25 Um, I think of it as the Wendy's on the five. Yeah. That's by the split P Anderson's. That also has attached to a like convenience store gas station and has a subway. Exactly. So if you don't want to do fast food, right.
Starting point is 00:24:44 Some people in the car don't want to eat fast food. Right. Ever. But hey, everyone's got, then also if you need gummy bears, it's there. They're all there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:55 Well, the vendors started that. Okay. Let's attribute it to them. Okay. It was their thing. That was kind of their jam. Okay. So,
Starting point is 00:25:04 okay. I said they all work there right yeah okay i said i actually wrote the sentence this was the time of great expansion what the fuck what am i even talking about i don't know if that's true or not i know nothing about it it probably was i mean i think it was generally listen our country our great nation was growing. It's the Oregon Trail. The video game, the Oregon Trail was happening at the time. Kids were playing the Oregon Trail in libraries across the nation. Dysentery everywhere.
Starting point is 00:25:37 You know. Don't forget the Donner Party was in there somewhere. Go in and get your jelly beans. Go. This is your time. To the. Yeah. Sarsaparilla. Sarsaparilla sarsaparilla the end goodbye um uh dude oh so the thing about this obviously here's what i do know for a fact okay tell me that a lot of there was obviously tons of immigrants in america
Starting point is 00:25:59 as we do so a lot of these travelers had already come off a boat. They'd already been traveling and they were like, we got to go get that big chunk of land. The government said we could have, or, or however they were going to do it. And they're basically like, get in there and get through. So they didn't have, you know, maybe they had their immediate family, but that was it. So if people were traveling a lot, they weren't expected back anywhere. No one was like, whoa, you didn't hit your mark you didn't you said you were coming on the 28th and how would you even know call western union exactly you send a letter and seven months later it somehow finds someone right so the this
Starting point is 00:26:36 helped the benders because the benders were not what they seemed to be were they bloody they were the bloody bloody benders it might just be one bloody but um well now it's two i love to goose it so um when people stopped along the way they tended to disappear when they stayed at the bender inn and a lot of people didn't notice because there were just these people that were passing through yeah but uh someone did uh notice when a man named george lanche i'm going to pronounce it french but that it could be launcher but i'm going to say george lanche and his infant daughter stopped at the bender inn um they were on their way to ohio they were from kansas and they never returned home and their neighbor, Dr. Henry, William Henry York
Starting point is 00:27:26 was a prominent doctor. And he immediately noticed when they didn't come back when George said he was coming back and he set out to go find them. Um, but he did the brilliant thing that you always do before you're about to go do something, especially by yourself. You tell a bunch of fucking people what you're doing and where you're going and why yeah you communicate so dr william henry york was a prominent doctor he had a brother uh who was a colonel colonel ed york and his other brother alexander york was a senator so he informed the superstar york brothers he was like hey i'm gonna try to go find my neighbor. Something weird has happened.
Starting point is 00:28:06 He didn't come back. So then when Dr. William Henry York didn't come back, the superstar brothers were like something really weird's happening. So the colonel, Ed York, got a posse of 50 soldiers to come with him. And they just started searching every single homestead along the Osage trail. Cause they were like, this is fucked. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:32 And, um, when they got to the bender in, it was March 28th, 1873. And, um, the Colonel explained to the benders that he was looking for his brother
Starting point is 00:28:43 and the, uh, benders told him, yes, his brother did stay there, but then he left. And there's probably a good chance that he had a run in with some of the Native Americans nearby. And they so the colonel left. They continued searching on. But as they asked more people around, they started hearing these stories of fucked up shit that was happening to people at the benders so there was a woman that told them a story of getting chased out of the bender in with knives oh my god and then upon hearing that he was like we're going back there right so they go back and um they have another conversation with them if you i highly recommend listening to um the the dollop because dave did so much fucking research yeah it's so hilarious and the there's a whole standoff
Starting point is 00:29:32 that happens when they go when they go back to recheck because the first pass is like oh it's just this nice family yeah you would never think twice about you know the son the daughter everyone's so sweet and kind when they go back it's the the vibe is a little bit different and the colonel knows he can't just arrest them he has to have proof he has to have a warrant to search the house whatever so he's like yeah i'm gonna be back well they go to get that warrant and when they come back the benders are gone the whole cabin is empty and when they go into the house, the cabin, to search it, they first notice there's absolutely nothing inside. Then the smell hits them.
Starting point is 00:30:12 And it is a smell that's so bad. And they finally realize it's coming from this trap door. Oh, dear. And it's so bad, they open the trap door and no one can stay inside the cabin. Oh, my God. They end up having to take the cabin off its foundation so they can look in the cellar oh my god because no one could do it and when they see into the cellar there the cellar floor is covered in congealed blood
Starting point is 00:30:38 i bet it's so hot out in the middle of there too, right? Probably. Ew. So gross. So then they know something bad is happening. And they're like, everyone's freaking out, but there's no bodies. There's no body parts or anything down there. It's just congealed blood. It's just congealed blood. So they're like, holy shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:02 So the colonel goes up and now I'm going to, now I'm going to just tell a little white lie because this is how I pictured in my mind. Okay. But I do not, I don't even think there's how I pictured in my mind. But I do not. I don't think there's very many hills in Kansas. So it's probably not how I picture it. But he basically went and got like a bird's eye view somehow of the land. So either he went up on a little hill is how I like to picture it and like look down on it. Or he just kind of got back a bit and he noticed drone he got a drone
Starting point is 00:31:26 he got sent a drone he got a drone which was just a hawk um and he noticed that there were depressions in the apple orchard soil oh dear right i thought of your pig people dude my pig people no stone unturned that's one of the ways that they find clandestine graves is those and they say there's only certain times of day when you can tell where the shadow's going if there's a depression in this in the soil crazy like if you look at it at sunset you can see that the shadows are fucked up and there's a depression yeah it's really yeah yeah no i love it i was that's all i thought of when i got to that part where i'm like i wonder if either he had so much experience being a colonel right that he had seen stuff like that before or if it just like hit him of like
Starting point is 00:32:15 that's not right right either way they took metal rods and they started poking the earth in the orchard it's stinky and there was some obviously there was some ground that was hard and solid and then they would come upon really soft ground oh my god so the first time they did that they started digging and almost immediately they found the body of dr william york oh he was barely he was barely down in the ground wow so they uncover him and then they start uncovering other bodies. Holy shit. And they end up finding eight buried bodies in the orchard alone. Wow. But some of the, um, graves are so deep that they, they, they like that. They're like, they're realizing, oh, there could be tons of people buried out here and we just wouldn't know it because they could
Starting point is 00:33:05 have buried 10 people in one grave this deep they also found um a father and daughter in a single grave and there was no uh injuries on the girl except for she had a broken arm but other than that nothing and they think they buried her alive no and put the dead body of her father on top of her no no yeah just to just to really um no just to really bum you out uh so um let's see so based on the injuries of the dead bodies that they dug up they put together the story of what they figured the benders were doing okay so they would have somebody that would be check into the inn and then that night it would they would come to dinner at the dinner table and they would always seat
Starting point is 00:33:55 that person at the head of the table with their back the guests back to the canvas divider oh my god the canvas that looks so pretty the gorgeous lice canvas oh no so at some point um and i like to picture that they get them nice and drunk so they're having a real good time what do they have mead what do they drink back then back then i would say it's some kind of a beer right yeah blood cellar beer yeah okay um so at some point in the dinner either john senior or john jr not not elvira not not a virus senior or kate jr goes behind the canvas and hits them in the head with a hammer knocks them out and then kate slits their throat with a knife. The little girl or the mom?
Starting point is 00:34:47 The girl. Kate Jr. Why does she do it? That was her jam? No. I'm not sure why they think she did it. Maybe it was something about the mother that she couldn't do it or whatever. Like she was the strong one.
Starting point is 00:35:02 But then they had this trap door. So they would just drop the dead body down the trap door into the cellar and so that that was all gone and away and so that basically they could do that and get away with it and there could be people in the general store there could be people in the inn and they could like just get rid of these people and then they would rob them and they would get, you know, a lot of these people had stuck all their stuff in their covered wagon and had everything that they owned and had tons of money on them and tons of valuables on them. And the benders just took it all. But they also noted that there were some people that they only got a dollar off of or ten dollars. So they said this was actually like a serial killing
Starting point is 00:35:46 family because sometimes they just did it to do it wow yeah because it wouldn't be it wouldn't even make sense to kill a person who just had four bucks in their pocket it was like it would actually draw attention and not be the best idea but they did it anyway so fuckers right at the time senator york the other fancy brother offered a one thousand dollar reward for the bender's arrest which is the equivalent today of twenty thousand dollars holy shit and then the governor of kansas put up a two thousand dollar reward so 40 grand oh my god um but despite all the reward money the bend benders were never caught. They were never seen again. What?
Starting point is 00:36:26 They, they were, they have, they went, they disappeared. No. Yes. Now there's all kinds of people who said they saw them places that gave weird information. There were people who confessed to being the benders. Um, it was, you know, it was like a huge story, but they themselves were never found. Jesus. There was a story that there was a boat in Mexico that was out at sea in the Gulf of Mexico.
Starting point is 00:36:55 And a balloon, a hot air balloon crashed onto the deck of the boat. What the fuck? And the benders were inside. And Elvira john senior and kate all died in the crash john jr survived and did a deathbed confession of we're the benders we killed all these people my father made or whoever he was that john senior was a hot air balloon maker in germany and he's been making this hot air balloon for our escape. And that's like,
Starting point is 00:37:29 that's how he got there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:37:32 He lost me about, about. What? No. That balloon perfectly landed, crash landed onto the bow of a boat. Onto three murderous members of a family. It's like, I think, I think that's how wizard of oz started it is it's they shut up they took well that's from the wizard of oz i mean there
Starting point is 00:37:53 is that part remember there were men in my town no oh no he's remember he's gonna leave it's the end oh yeah yeah yeah oh shit yeah he's gonna leave and then she's like i'm not going with you and and like and then tap your shoes together and tap your shoes and then kill travelers um wow kill travelers anyway that's that's just like a story somebody had which is kind of genius but ultimately they're what they ended up finding out after all of it there were no official papers that proved that they were actually a family so what it is believed is that elvira aka kate senior and kate junior were mother and daughter john senior was not related to anybody by blood john junior was not related to anybody by blood. John Jr. was not related to anybody by blood.
Starting point is 00:38:46 And they think, actually, Kate Jr. and John Jr. were husband and wife, common law. And that they were all, they were basically a gang of thugs. That got together. That got together and were like, if we pretend we're a family, people will trust us. We can't just be four randos that are sitting in a cabin going like coming by oats from us yeah but if we're like come to the bender family in yeah people would be like oh thank god yeah biscuits and a good conversation with the benders right and so they that it was like a scam from from the setup where do you think they went you know what's so cool is that someone listening i bet right now
Starting point is 00:39:22 is related to the vendors yes and knows way more good stuff or doesn't know anything oh it's just like slowly realizing yeah or like someone and they'll never know it's like someone's great great great not that great great great aunt is elvira. Yes. Or great grandparents are John and Kate who just were like, plus eight. They went and had eight kids out at once in Indiana. Yeah. Let's see. I think that,
Starting point is 00:39:58 Oh, the other rumor was that Elvira, Elvira had as many as five husbands before the Bender Inn event. And all of them died by blunt force trauma to the head. But that is hot goss and I think also unproven. But that was just basically like they, you know, people try to put it together. You love a black widow. I love a black widow.
Starting point is 00:40:22 You love a vintage black widow. There's something so so it's almost like women were so oppressed that some women busted out in a way that like they just went batshit crazy where it's like oh you're gonna oppress me watch how i kill everybody yeah and and get away with it in that way of like she's so sweet no one ever expect uh expected i no one ever suspected suspect suspect or expected the true crime podcast and i don't know the words suspect all in all the bloody benders were believed to have killed at least a dozen people possibly over 20 oh my god yeah and that is it what if okay what what if hh homes i feel like hh homes must be involved in
Starting point is 00:41:08 this somewhere he was friends with him he knew them yes it's a similar thing they have it they have an inn they have a place where people come and stay yes what if i don't know if the timeline matches up i think it does this because this is about 10 years before hh homes hh holmes hh holmes is john jr yes he is and he got a taste for it we solved it he was like he was watching kate slit the throats he was you know he was hit in the back of the head but on the other side of the canvas he's like i gotta get more of a first person yeah this is fun but i'd like to do something a little crazier and a little nicer i think cabins are this is trash yeah let's do a hotel um oh also they call they people took the cabin apart by hand uh-huh um and i think they they think kept kept it for uh you know do we know where it is can we visit it can we spend the night yes it's
Starting point is 00:41:59 now called hell's acre and they can we camp on the ground i don't think so because they say it's haunted not that you could still do it though well but it's like it's totally cleared they think there's bodies out there that they know what we're about and they've like ghost shows have gone there well we're we're going for a live show all right to have it in to put on a live show in the center of hell's acre well great i'll see you i'll see you after yeah okay that's them dude that's great i know i never you didn't know that thank fucking god no what a night that's why i was like oh i i wish i knew this for a fact but like these days when I'm 80% sure of something, it dropped immediately drops to 30% sure.
Starting point is 00:42:47 Yeah. I just kind of don't know anything anymore. So, you know that we have, um, someone made us a Wikipedia and I think it lists each episode. Is that true? Steven?
Starting point is 00:42:58 It's shaking his head. Yes. He knows it's they list every episode and what each what, so you can control F and put in bender did it come up no then you've never done the goddamn well hell yeah i know i had to do it because i was like have i done this murder once it's nice so we're getting to that point i mean like it's exciting that this has gone on long enough i mean we're in this area yeah i mean until we play our last game of guess who this is gonna go on for a long fucking time and we're not gonna remember this shit we're gonna be little old ladies being like did i ever do theodore bundy now steven i am
Starting point is 00:43:29 interested in theodore bundy what about him um great thank you thank you that was great mine is a murderous family too is it it? Kind of. It's a couple. Yeah. All right. Like a month or two ago, someone on one of the platforms said, you guys should watch this movie called Hounds of Love. Okay. And I'd never heard of it. It's an Australian movie, like a thriller.
Starting point is 00:43:59 And I was like, I was alone. Vince was out. I was like, I'm just going to fucking watch it. Put it on. You can get it on Amazon. And then my mind was fucking blown. I was alone. Vince was out. I was like, I'm just going to fucking watch it. Put, put it on, get it on Amazon. And then I, my mind was fucking blown.
Starting point is 00:44:10 Shit. The most, it's okay. Here, let's, let's do this. It is loosely, they say loosely,
Starting point is 00:44:17 but it is very, very not loosely based on this crime. Okay. On this murderous couple from Australia. And I wanted to do this couple when we were in Australia, but I ended up not doing them. So when I watched this movie, I kind of knew some of the details.
Starting point is 00:44:33 Oh, okay. And the movie is incredible because the acting is so fucking good, but I swear to God, if you're, if you are faint of heart, you're not going to like this movie. Vince would have fucking hate.
Starting point is 00:44:41 If you're not into true crime, hardcore, you're not going to like this movie. Cause it's fucking hate. If you're not into true crime, hardcore, you're not going to like this movie. Cause it's so upsetting. It's upsetting and so realistic. And, but it was, it's like one of the,
Starting point is 00:44:51 my favorite movies I've watched because it's so good. Okay. Like Vince would have been like, this is troubling. I can't watch this. And I'd be like, yeah, me too.
Starting point is 00:44:57 It's very troubling. But really I would have been like, I can't wait to watch. It's so good. Okay. It is very troubling. Oh, I'm really disturbed by this this is wrong this is wrong and then he goes to bed and i like put it on um so that movie's called hounds of love watch it after i tell you about this okay uh about what it is based on even though
Starting point is 00:45:21 the director said it's not or the writer said it's not the more house murders okay everyone in perth australia is like fuck yes right now nice okay perth perth sorry we didn't come there perth again our apologies we'll be we'll be there one day someday someday okay let's start on november 10th 1986 so this takes place in the 80s 86 a fucking crazy hysterical barely dressed 17 year old girl in this suburb of perth runs into a vacuum cleaner shop and begs the shop owner to call the police that she had just been raped and she had been kidnapped and had just escaped whoa when police got there she said she'd been abducted at knife point by a couple who had taken her back to their house and raped her and held her captive the police are fucking like bullshit skeptical at her they pass her off to one of their most inexperienced police members so it's constable laura hancock's first day on the job no
Starting point is 00:46:18 no she's 22 years old this is her first statement she's ever taken holy shit they take this seven history not historically the 17 year old girl to her girl to her who has a story and they say to her hey uh this you need to take notes on this to write her up for lying for making up a story like they don't believe it at all and they're like here you go constable fucking laura hancock do some paperwork do some paperwork get this chick off out of here um so miss laura hancock of course or constable laura hancock of course is a female and has empathy so she was like hang on a minute there's a lot of details about this that and she is too and she's telling it to emotion not emotionally but like emphatically that this isn't fake yeah she describes getting a lift from a couple while
Starting point is 00:47:10 walking home the night before um they put the knife to her and they chain her in their home in on morehouse street and um that she had escaped in the morning by breaking through a window and running. And this ends the four-week killing spree at the hands of a couple that left four other women dead. Oh, my God. Okay, so let's go. Let's talk about the fucking motherfucking shitty-ass couple. These assholes. David Burney. It's the Burneys.
Starting point is 00:47:39 David Burney is born February 16th, 1951. He's the eldest of five children. Super dysfunctional family His parents go to ask the priest for permission to get married And the priest is like I don't think that this can lead to anything good His parents say that About his parents getting married
Starting point is 00:47:57 Oh my god He grows up in a suburb of Perth There's rumors that the family The mom's super promiscuous There's alcoholism, there's incest going on. The house is filthy. The kids have no supervision. The mother has a mental age of 14. Oh, no. Really fucked up
Starting point is 00:48:11 family life. Don't feel bad for him. He's a murderer. Catherine Harrison, she's also born in 1951. She's two years old when her mother, Doreen, dies giving birth to her brother. Brother also dies, the baby. Father can't cope, so he sends her to live with her maternal grandparents.
Starting point is 00:48:30 At 10, she gets sent back to her father. It's just a really, her whole childhood is fucked up. Yeah, just basically adults letting her know that she's kind of not welcome anywhere. Not welcome, not wanted wanted her mom is dead so both of these people you know normally I would be much more sympathetic to these poor children being raised in this awful way of course I would but I've been studying what they've done for you know a while now and yeah you just can't yeah you can't you can't okay by 14 david and katherine are in a relationship they lived in the same town they started doing petty crimes together and katherine eventually gets caught and sent sent to prison and she breaks free from david who was by all
Starting point is 00:49:19 accounts really controlling and so they had had this tumultuous relationship but by her 21st birthday she's married to the son of the family she's a housekeeper for um i bet they loved that i know right that family yeah i think they were a well-to-do family and yeah that's like the plot of 1000 downton abbeys yeah what you're marrying the maid exactly um by the time david's an adolescent he'd been convicted of several crimes He had attempted rape on an elderly woman And spent time in and out of prison In his early 20s He marries his wife
Starting point is 00:49:52 And they have a daughter Catherine has seven children With the housekeeper dude Guy They have seven kids Sorry, I was going to say That's old school irish catholic right that's a lot of kids the first her first son though as a baby is struck and killed by a car
Starting point is 00:50:10 in front of her no yeah in their like driveway no so she if she's already fucking crazy she's got to be out of her mind by that point i mean hell yes um so in 1985 she, Catherine abandons her husband and six children and goes to live with David. They get back together. Wow. At this point. I mean, I have to say when you were talking about being 14 and doing crimes together, I got a little like, oh, like there is something to that, that I can see would be really bonding
Starting point is 00:50:43 and very exciting well what's really crazy about this and there's so many aspects of it that don't make sense when you look at serial killers and one of them is like if these two people hadn't been together with these things have happened yes and I think and so they kind of it's like they were made for each other because they were both fucking awful yeah you know yes and oh yeah yeah it's like they were made for each other because they were both fucking awful. Yeah. You know? Yes. And yeah. Yeah. It's like when you meet someone and you both hate the same people.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Yeah. Only like times a thousand. And then you kill those people. Yes. And then you make a list. You write it down. You both agree. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:22 Oh, all right. Okay. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. So Catherine and David and David they're in they're adults now they get back together they move in together they're like we're we're it's you and me we're Bonnie and Clyde all that bullshit do you have any idea where they remet like it was just did they pass in the grocery store yeah you gotta wonder I want to know really I know, I couldn't find that anywhere. Was there some kind of a dating, video dating service in their town?
Starting point is 00:51:52 Well, he was, his first wife, he was cheating on her constantly, and he even put an ad in the paper saying, bored husband looking for sex. No! Because he was a crazy sex addict, like kind of perverted, and was just needing to bone all the fucking time yeah the the marriage broke up when he had their 16 year old babysitter move into the house to sleep with him dude and his
Starting point is 00:52:14 wife was like get the fuck out of here his wife's like you know what yeah this plus all that laundry i have to do i'm done goodbye the Go bye. The romance is gone. Right. Shit. So these are some fucked up characters to begin with. So Catherine moves in with David. She changes her last name to Bernie, even though they didn't get married. They moved into a house in Willigy in Perth Southwest on a street called Morehouse. So that's why it's the Morehouse murders. For more than a year after getting together david and katherine okay david looks like you know the julia julia
Starting point is 00:52:53 louise dreyfus's husband in veep the tall skinny guy with a tall long nose i do what's his name the actor dave pasquaisi how what how do you because I know him in real life do you yes I was in a pilot with him long long ago you know every famous person it's crazy if you hang around this dumb town long enough you meet everyone he looks exactly like him perfect it is so uncanny. I want to show you a photo right now. Yes, I have to see one. Okay.
Starting point is 00:53:29 And then, so that's what he looks like. And she, and Catherine looks like if Juliette Lewis was normal. Oh God, for a second I was going to be like, is this some kind of a vapor review? Juliette Lewis. Okay. Juliette Lewis, the actress and musician musician if she were a basic bitch like a normal looking like 80s you know beige wearing person like bad shirts yeah okay that's what she would look like exciting and the actors in the movie hounds of love look exactly like them here
Starting point is 00:54:00 karen steven's showing karen a photo right now am I right yes but I have to say oh my god that's so funny which part the well first of all the Juliette Lewis woman is a is looks like she's a pretty hot leaded hard to grab a life like yeah it does not moisturize. No. But did you ever see District 9? Yeah. The actor or Chappie or any of those. Yeah. South. South African.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Shata Copley. Is that his name? Yeah. Jesus. You too? Oh, my God. Yes. We're going to go to a trivia night.
Starting point is 00:54:42 I think that guy looks like him. Yeah. I can see that trivia night. I think that guy looks like him. Yeah. I can see that for sure. It's that, uh, it's just this like long prominent nose. It's like jaw line, really thin,
Starting point is 00:54:54 wiry. Like he was a mechanic. So he looks, has a mechanic sinewy body. Yep. I get it. I get it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:02 Oh my God. But also this guy's David Bernie's eyes. Dead. Frightening. Yeah. Hers too. If you see her, like they both are clear,
Starting point is 00:55:10 clear sociopaths and you'll find out more. So when I tell you what they did. Okay. All right. That was fun. All right. So Hollywood corner, Hollywood corner.
Starting point is 00:55:21 So they get back together and they start fucking feeding their crazy sexual fantasies that they have about rape and murder that the two of them both have and they start reading books about how to commit the perfect murder what they could do they even call up like call around town to find out where
Starting point is 00:55:40 they could leave a car of one of their if they find a victim and have to like abandon a car where can they leave it the longest without being detected and it turns out it's actually at the fucking police station what which they end up doing with this their first victim what okay on october 6th 1986 22 year old mary nielsen she's studying psychology at a university she goes to the bernie's house because she had needed to buy tires, went to the mechanic place where David Bernie worked. And he was like, oh, you know, actually, I have some tires I can sell you for on the
Starting point is 00:56:14 cheap. They're just at my house. You just need to come there. And she's like, great. She's a student. She's trying to save money. No, no, never. Yes.
Starting point is 00:56:21 Tires belong in a tire shop. Yeah. Yes. In a stack. Yeah. in front of the tire shop you sit in the air-conditioned fucking office and it smells like rubber and you read of an old highlights magazine that's right while you wait just wait and you wait and they get everything gets done on the premises yeah the end the end so she goes to the house to get the tires. He immediately gags her, chains her to the bed and rapes her while Catherine watches and takes notes.
Starting point is 00:56:55 What? Yeah. So Catherine is in on this completely. Yeah. She's taken to Glen Eagles National Park, which was their dumping dumping ground and as she begs for her life she's raped and strangled with a nylon cord and he when she's dead he stabs her knowing it would speed up decomposition because they had read about it in the murder books so they're just animals they're monsters yeah and they were planning on planning this they're organized monsters they're organized
Starting point is 00:57:26 monsters this this first mary nielsen their first victim kind of just happened um by circumstance but as we'll see that's not what happened next yeah um so it was just an active opportunity and they just wanted to get away with the perfect murder so um so their their actual plan though is that the sun sets and they go hunting for victims in the car they scope out the streets any woman who was alone they would offer a ride and it's a fucking nice looking young couple who's like hi do you need a ride you know it's that that thing and they do it so perfectly in the movie hounds of love that you it it's the movie is so realistic it's creepy yeah so sorry what year is that movie from is it recent yeah it's in the past year or two oh okay yeah um i think
Starting point is 00:58:15 so but it looks like the 80s it's like it's such a good movie All right. So they would, two weeks later, they were cruising, looking for their next victim. They spot 15-year-old high school student Susanna Candy, and she's hitchhiking along Sterling Highway in Claremont. So within seconds of getting into the car with this nice couple, and in the movie, they even had a baby seat in the backseat, which is like, I don't know if that's really what happened, but there's a knife to her throat and her hands are bound. She's taken back to the house. She's gagged, chained to the bed and raped.
Starting point is 00:58:53 They force then they force Susanna to send letters to her family, assuring them that she's all right. But of course, the family doesn't believe it and fears for her life. Yeah. She's all right. But of course, the family doesn't believe it and fears for her life. Yeah. After they finish raping Susanna, Catherine Burney gets into bed with them and they rape her together. He tries to strangle her with a nylon cord, but she becomes hysterical.
Starting point is 00:59:18 This is really fucked up, by the way. I should have started with that. No, no, no. I mean, but I think it's that it is that thing of a complicit wife to a serial killer to a serial rapist is so beyond the pale. It's just so odd. And so hard to comprehend in any way. And the only way I was able to even wrap my mind around what, how and what was this movie. Right. So I think I didn't think I was planning on doing this, the the murder even though i had read about it until i saw this movie and it it was yeah it just made sense in a way that was
Starting point is 00:59:50 so troubling yeah and it also is the thing of like so many times i've wanted to do the girl in the box the story the woman who is and she was also kidnapped by a husband and wife whose the wife was you know obviously abused and and like yeah it was not the same brainwashing and everything well that's what's so interesting about this one is i don't think that that's the case at all and of course they try to make it seem that way later but that's not these two people were equally uh complicit yeah because that's not who she was really right but it's just the idea of you these assumptions that that we've all made culturally, a man by himself is dangerous.
Starting point is 01:00:27 A man and a woman are fine. A baby seat clears the decks, like all those things that are just like, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Totally. Um, so they forced sleeping pills. They forced her to take sleeping pills.
Starting point is 01:00:41 And when she's asleep,id puts a cord around her neck and tells katherine to prove her undying love for him by strangling her yeah that's how you do it yeah yeah which she does wow i know um they bury her near the grave of mary Nielsen in the forest as well. On November 1st, 31 year old Nolene Patterson had run out of gas on her way home from her job as a bar manager at a golf club. She's standing by the side of the road when they drive up, the Bernies drive up. She gets inside the car. And so here's a creepy fucking thing. They had a code for when a girl got in the car if they thought she was a good um victim katherine was the one who decided if she was a good victim or not if she was okay with you know because it was if she was okay bringing this one home yeah it was
Starting point is 01:01:37 almost like you can cheat on me if i choose the person it's almost like she thought of it as cheating on her i know so she would say to david i've got the munchies and david would say yeah i've got the munchies too that was their code word yeah and so they held a knife to her throat and tied her up and told her not to move she's taken back to morehouse street david repeatedly rapes her um they had originally decided to murder her that same night which was kind of what they did but david kept her prisoner in the house for three days because there were signs that he had developed an emotional attachment to her because she was this really fucking smart you
Starting point is 01:02:15 know 31 year old woman who was like gonna play them against each other and make david fall for her yeah that's how she was gonna to escape. That was her plan. But unfortunately, Catherine got super fucking jealous, held a knife to her throat and gave an ultimatum that David has to kill her or she's going to kill herself. That Catherine's going to kill herself? Catherine's going to kill herself if David didn't kill Nolene. Whoa. I bet that was an unpleasant scene to watch in that movie. It's insane.
Starting point is 01:02:46 It's fucking insane. um so he forces her to delene to take a overdose of sleeping pills uh and strangles her while she's asleep they take her body to the forest and bury but they bury it away from the other victims because he had some emotional attachment to her. God, that's fucking weird. I know. All right. Then on November 5th, they abduct 21-year-old Denise Brown as she's waiting for a bus on Sterling Highway. She accepts a ride, and at knife point, she's taken to the house, chained to the bed again, and raped. They take her into the forest.
Starting point is 01:03:23 David assaults her again, and they stab her in the neck. They go to bury her in a shallow grave, but she's not dead. And Denise sits up in the grave. What the fuck? Oh, my God. Hold on a second. I know. I'm doing my nervous laughing.
Starting point is 01:03:43 I'm doing my nervous reading because like suddenly i'm i'm realizing how i mean i'm not realizing but you know you're in this thing and you're like this is this fucking this is like living hell but also when we were in australia this i didn't know it from the morehouse murders but so many people from perth were like my mom was so it's david bernie's boss. Or there was all these people that had, they would just mention the Bernies. Like my sister went to the school that blow up. Remember that it was constantly being referenced.
Starting point is 01:04:14 I didn't know what anyone was talking about, but I'd be like, that's crazy. But we just knew it was like, there was a good murder and we just didn't know about it. And I had read about it a little bit, but I had so many details wrong. And I remember picturing in my head of what it looked like and what happened. And it's so wrong from what really was going on. Yes.
Starting point is 01:04:31 But that detail is, if it were in a movie, you'd be like, this is, you're going crazy. Like, let's not be, let's not turn it into like full horror movie. But that's exactly what this is. And then guess what happened? They killed her? They grab an is. And then guess what happened? They killed her? They grabbed an axe. And cut her head off?
Starting point is 01:04:50 No, and just hit her in the head with the axe to kill her. But they say that this is kind of where Catherine broke a little bit. The brutality of this part is, I mean, fucking stabbing someone, like that's not bad enough. But so this is just like yeah i would it would cut through the reality just to next level insanity okay so no more people dying okay okay all right now agreed okay let's go let's now we do our cooking podcast just a clean transition into recipes stir the congealed blood into the...
Starting point is 01:05:27 Into the cellar. Oatmeal. Yeah, into the cellar. Okay. So let's get to fucking Kate Moyer. She's a badass. She's a 17-year-old free spirit. She drops out of high school.
Starting point is 01:05:38 She's a model. She's just gorgeous. There's all these videos. Oh, there's this really great true crime show called Murder Uncovered. And episode one is about her. So there's all these videos oh there's this really great um true crime show called murder uncovered and episode one is about her so there's all these videos she is the one from the beginning of the story that escaped okay all right good so she's this fucking cool shit badass woman um on november 10th 1986 she accepts a ride around the corner from her house after a night of drinking with friends but she's this nice couple picks her up and she's like yeah give me a ride the rest of the home yeah they get to her house she goes to open the door there's no door handle that thing but they take her to the house and they
Starting point is 01:06:14 say oh you need to roll down the window and or use the door handle whatever and she goes to do that one and there's no door handle like they were fucking toying with her and oh my god at that point he pulls out a fucking knife and holds it to her neck. And they drive away. And they tie her up. They take her to their house. And they hang out with her in the living room. And smoke a joint with her.
Starting point is 01:06:41 And talk to her and ask her all these questions. They play music. And they make her strip and dance to okay ready to never hear the song again the same way and it's been in my fucking head since i found out what song it was wait can i guess yes will you tell me 86 thank you beds are burning by i'm trying to think of australian Okay. Is it, you know, how do we sleep? It's a good guess, but no, it's in that. Men at Work? No.
Starting point is 01:07:11 I don't know if they're Australian. Okay. They probably are. Roxette? No. What's that Roxette song? That one? No.
Starting point is 01:07:23 Okay. Want me to sing it for you? Yes. I don't think I should. Do it. I'm going to say it to. Want me to sing it for you? Yes. I don't think I should. Do it. I'm going to say it to you and you'll sing it. Okay. It's Romeo and Juliet by Dire Straits.
Starting point is 01:07:33 Oh, no. Wait a second. Sing a little. Juliet. Vanished from the start. No, that's not right. Hold on. Steven, hold on.
Starting point is 01:07:45 I'm going to play it. Can I play it? Yeah. Oh yeah oh i don't think so i don't think we can either if you don't know it let me play it for you we're gonna pause i just need a tiny bit more i don't know anymore and i'm embarrassed of my voice okay i'm gonna play it for you we're gonna pause so yeah that was a song and i've just been i've had it stuck in my head the past couple weeks and it's been real troubling it's also so creepy because like those lyrics where it's like hey let's give it a try it's a love song it's very romantic quote-unquote it's it's so creepy there's something about that that is just so eerie to me these people were fucking nuts these people are fucking nuts nut cases nut cases um all right so they like smoke weed with her and hang out with her and she says to them are you guys gonna kill me and they said we'll just rape you if you're good
Starting point is 01:08:31 if you're just if you're good we'll just rape you jesus which of course wasn't fucking true um so david holds a knife to her throat and forces her to call her mom she says and assure her mom that she had too much to drink and was staying at a friend's house. Can you imagine like on the phone with your mom being like, I've said this to you before, but things like that make me go,
Starting point is 01:08:54 we have to set up a code word where if you hear me say this word in a conversation like that, something else is going on. I actually made this plan with my friend Holly Gardner when we were 13 years old. Oh my God, what was it? And it was like, I can't remember why something had happened where it was like either home invasion had been in the news or some kind of thing and i was like
Starting point is 01:09:12 we were it was some stupid thing we're like we have to make up a code if we ever say this it was some kind of like school books it was something about homework or books or something but it was like in the movie the girl has to write a letter and there's a code in it that she puts in there. Really? Yeah. It's fucking cool. Um,
Starting point is 01:09:31 so was it a pre-agreed code or she just put it in hoping that they would find out. She put it in hoping that they would find out. I'm I like the idea of a pre-agreed. Okay. What about stay sexy? Don't get murdered. If we ever say that to each other,
Starting point is 01:09:43 Stephen's kidnapped us and made us make a podcast for you'd be like 90 episodes i know that you're trying to get me to call my family as a cover for your murder of me right but real quick do you mind if i talk about a podcast with my family member it's what we always do. If we ever say, um, I don't know. Use the word suburbanites. Okay. If the word suburbanites comes out of any of our mouths, I would never say that word normally. Okay. We'd never say that word.
Starting point is 01:10:14 Suburbanites. If suburbanites comes into the picture, it's code red. Okay. Something bad's happening. Hey, I'm at the suburbanites house and like that. I'm trying,
Starting point is 01:10:24 I'm practicing. That's never, you have to figure out a way to fit that word right hey i got drunk i'm staying at my suburbanite friend's house it doesn't work it doesn't work that really stands out it doesn't work um what if we say if we ever say ciao instead of bye shit so you save it up till the very end oh shit yeah no but i mean that's fine or what about hola if we say hola when we're like saying hello hola karen i'm just going to stay the night at my friend's house yeah hola k tall okay done we'll figure this out yeah let's all just have a code word though okay um dire straits blahits. Blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:11:05 That's right. I'm going to a Dire Straits concert. Right. And I'm... I'm in Dire Straits. And I am seriously in Dire Straits. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:11:15 Then she's forced to dance with him. Then she's forced to sleep in the couple's bed while handcuffed to David. So they rape her uh catherine joins in she uh starts screaming at one point and they come in and they say the sleeping arrangements have changed and they bring her into their bed together they handcuff her ankle to david's he tries to make her take sleeping pills she hides them in her mouth and then tucks them into the mattress while they're sleeping because she's like i know that if i fall asleep here i'm going to die yeah she was on fucking point and she said this is an interview this is like her first interview ever um and she
Starting point is 01:11:56 seems so normal it's scary like she seems amazing uh she says she knew she had like a 200 to 1 chance of surviving but she was going to do whatever she could to make it happen hell yes that's the mental place you need to be in she was there and you know what she kept she started fucking doing she was like no one's going to believe me that I was in this house she watched them take her clothes and bag them
Starting point is 01:12:18 up so that they wouldn't leave anything behind when they got rid of the evidence she knew that's what they were doing in her mind so she said I'm going to leave evidence here so someone knows i was here so she starts fucking hiding shit in the house she makes little drawings and hides them in the mattress she takes the pills and hides them there she puts a lipstick in this like weird spot just to prove that she was there and like her name and everything on a little piece of paper um brilliant brilliant yeah i lost my thing but hold on okay where was i hold on insert page numbers i'm telling i did i did and now i don't remember what page i was on and i don't know where i put them
Starting point is 01:12:55 all right so the day after she was kidnapped the next day, David leaves for work and Catherine goes to the door, because someone comes to the door for a drug deal. And they think, so Catherine forgets to chain Kate up. She just pushes her in the room and says, stay in this room. And they think that maybe
Starting point is 01:13:20 in her mind was so fucked up from the last murder that she just wasn't thinking straight or wasn't on her game. Yeah. And Kate realizes this is a fucking chance to escape. So she finds a window. She breaks the lock on it, pushes out the window, jumps out of the window, hits her head on the concrete on the way down and starts fucking booking it down the street. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:43 Knocking on doors. No one's answering. She jumps a fence and a fucking dog attacks her in someone's yard no gets the fuck out keeps running sees her like a vacuum cleaner store with a man in a suit out front and runs to him and um she says i was hysterical i'm barefoot wearing my black leggings a black black singlet and knickers. She says to him, help. I've been raped. Please take me inside and call the police.
Starting point is 01:14:09 And she's afraid that Catherine is going to come after her. So she says, if a woman comes here and says I had a fight with her and I'm her daughter, don't believe her. I've been raped. Shit. And so she's brought to the police station and she's handed off to our friend constable laura hancock our 22 year old friend who's never taken 22 never taken a statement before and handed off to her because they don't believe her um they told her write up write her up for making a false report but laura's hearing her story hearing these crazy details including how shot like the shine
Starting point is 01:14:43 and the numbers on the fucking chains that she was locked up in, what color robe David was wearing, what color robe she had to wear all these details. And she keeps going up to her outside to her, like her captain and being like, I don't think she's lying. She's telling me this and this and this. And they're like, she's lying. Go back in, get more information. Finally, Kate says, um um the couple had been using pseudonyms the whole time but she had seen their names on the medicine bottle and the name was david bernie oh and then they believed her because he had a crazy fucking record yes so then they were like oh shit so uh she um police go to the house and uh in they find the stuff kate stashed proving she was there
Starting point is 01:15:27 and the movie they made her watch when they had been smoking pot it was in the vcr it was fucking rambo and the dire straits cassette in the stereo so like all the details is there and they find her hidden trinkets as well. So David and Catherine are arrested and interrogated, and just as detectives were about to give up on him, you know, it was going to be a he said, she said bullshit thing, Detective Sergeant Vince Kadditch says, look, it's getting dark, just tell us where they're buried. And David says, okay.
Starting point is 01:15:58 And he takes them to where the graves are. So like as a holy Mary, he says that. Just tell, it's getting dark. Just tell us. Oh my God. And David agrees. Brilliant. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:11 Later when Catherine's asked, okay, let's see. All right. All right. So they are both sentenced to four terms of life imprisonment. They're required to serve 20 years before being eligible for parole. When asked why she had done it, Catherine said,
Starting point is 01:16:28 because I wanted to see how strong I was within my inner self. I didn't feel a thing. It was like I expected. I was prepared to follow him to the end of the earth and do anything to see that his desires were satisfied. She was a female. Females hurt and destroy males. That's why she did it.
Starting point is 01:16:45 Killed. Oh, like on behalf of males, she was killing females? She didn't feel anything like all females were fucked up. So after 19 years in prison, David Bruni is found dead in his cell. On October 7, 2005, he hanged himself from an air vent using a length of cord. Do you think he hanged himself? Yeah. I think he was really depressed and he hanged himself. Yeah. And then he was 55 years old after her fourth bid for parole was declined in 2016. Sorry, wait, Catherine's fourth bid for parole was declined in 2016. Sorry, wait.
Starting point is 01:17:25 Catherine's fourth bid for parole declined in 2016, just last year. And our friend, badass Kate over here, has a campaign to end Western Australians' laws that automatically put convicts up for parole every three years because she's not even asking for parole. They just keep putting her up. Right. That's just, it's like, it's like a computer's doing it, basically.
Starting point is 01:17:49 So there's speculation, of course, that the Verney's were responsible for a couple other disappearances, including Sharon Renwick in May 1986 and Barbara Western in June 1986. And based on what the evidence they talk about in the documentary, I absolutely think that they were responsible for those two disappearances and then there's also um the disappearance of lisa mott in 1980 and it
Starting point is 01:18:12 looks like that was david's doing for sure i mean there's just no way it wasn't so that's the uh the more house murders holy shit dude i went dark that was crazy they're all horrible but i mean that was like it's so funny it makes so much sense now why so many people brought up the burning the bernies to us because it was a normal suburb and it was a normal couple that everyone thought was just you know and you look deep into it and there's so many fucked up points to it. There's so many creepy details and, you know, you can't judge a book by its cover. Yeah. It's so fucked up.
Starting point is 01:18:56 And you can't judge a book by the baby seat in the back seat. Yeah, exactly. It's just this thing of not understanding how you can't understand how one person would do it to begin with ted bundy i can't understand how anyone would do what he did and then you see these two people and it's almost more manipulative and more sinister and it's yeah that's well it's like doubles everything because then it's just like how did you get another individual to be as fucked up as you? And to go into this with you? And then what does that mean about your relationship?
Starting point is 01:19:31 And yeah, it's all it's all that. It's just so beyond beyond. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. So weird not being at a live show, isn't it? What's that? So weird not being at a live show. Where it what's that it's so weird not being
Starting point is 01:19:45 at a live show isn't it where's our applause steven clap for us how do we know when it ends even how dare you there's not applause we don't know we're just petting a cat i don't know when this is over yeah oh now we're all bummed out uh no now we have to do one positive thing oh yeah that's right what's yours okay so mine is, I am so obsessed with it. It's our new, like, everyone now needs to go watch it because we're all in a fucking low place because of that story. So now it's like the Bob's Burger thing. Yes.
Starting point is 01:20:17 Now go turn on, go to Netflix and turn on Big Mouth. It's Nick Kroll and John Mulaney's new cartoon coming of age but fucking dark and hilarious it is so fucking good i want to cry vince and i were watching it and we're just amazed the whole time oh that's great it's so good that's great yeah i definitely have that pause when people that i know and love and admire have something come out i have i do like a three month pause on it and i just wait to hear what people say because i get nervous i'm afraid if people's thing is bad yeah then if it is or here it might be that i just go i just pretend it never existed right and i don't
Starting point is 01:20:56 have to like have an opinion one way or the other i completely understand i vetted it for you it is so sweet and so good and so wonderful i believe it because nick kroll is truly one of the funniest people nick kroll is so funny and then she's proved to me like he can't do anything fucking wrong no he just knows what he's doing he is so good this show is darling it's so it's a darling while also being like weirdly dark and funny it's just great that's great yeah watch it i watched a movie on the flight home from florida which was kind of a beast that was like a six hour flight yeah that we took so i was like when i do that i'm always like okay that means three movies yeah i can do three movies i do it every day
Starting point is 01:21:35 i lay on the couch and watch nine movies i know you have dogs bothering you the whole time a little peace and quiet yeah maybe some fun strangers that are gonna get into an argument snacks who knows yeah snacks you know my new thing these days is and i don't know why this is how insane i am when they come around and offer snacks on flights i'm always like no thank you i'll i'll eat the worst shit in the world oh you just don't want them to know that you're i i just try to pretend like i'm some kind of an island like drink. No, thank you. I need nothing. I do bought water, right? Do you want some pretzels? No, I'm not reliant on your snacks and beverages. I do not need you. I am self sufficient in my movies. So crazy. But that wasn't that's not my thing. Okay.
Starting point is 01:22:22 I want it to be. That's not my good point is my independence from plain snacks that's it that makes me happy i will say this not to do a commercial for jet blue in any way we neither here nor there about them except that weird thing they had where they had a little they trust you to get your own snacks you can walk up to where the bathroom is and across from the bathroom there is a refrigerator with every drink in it and then a like a weird cupboard with a ton of snacks in it it's like you're an adult and you can fucking police yourself and you're not gonna jam a bunch of cheese it bags into your purse because everyone can see you right it's brilliantly placed so it's like when i went to get i was like
Starting point is 01:23:01 oh i want to see what they have but then i noticed that you would have to open the door to look and see what the snacks were well i ate cookies did you yeah were they good yeah now they're fine uh is that what makes you happy i brought a ginger ale no um i brought it back to my seat and then i watched this movie that my friend had told me was good my friend molly told me was good already but it's the j Jeremy Renner, Elizabeth Mary Olsen movie called Wind River. And it's about a murder that takes place on a Native American reservation. And it is so well done. And it is a female writer director.
Starting point is 01:23:41 And it should be getting way more press and way more attention. I've never heard of it, yeah. I think it did really good at festivals, and that's how it popped in the first place and why it's on a jet blue. Yeah. It's really interesting.
Starting point is 01:23:56 Elizabeth Olsen is one of the greater actors of her generation. Did you ever see Martha Marcy May Marlene? No. That movie? If you haven't seen that movie you got it it's about a girl that just left a cult oh i'm missing out it's great that's from like probably four or five years ago maybe but this one wind river is this incredible it's a it's a murder
Starting point is 01:24:20 mystery thing but then really it kind of unfolds into this thing. And at the end, it does one of those like true facts go up onto the screen and Native American women go missing on reservations constantly. And there are no reports about it. Oh my God. Ever anywhere, ever. No one looks into it. No one makes,
Starting point is 01:24:40 no one investigates it. And so whatever happens on this land, whoever's there and whatever they do young women go missing or women go missing and they just don't no one does anything about it yeah and it's it was very upsetting like the story itself is good and very emotional it's really well told and well written but then that factoid at the end that's like this is kind of why we made this movie is so upsetting it's a thing we kind of know we know in general yeah but to know that specifically about like indigenous people of america is insanely fucked up and i just i encourage everybody to kind of take it all in and and go look into it okay and because that woman is really really talented who put all that whole
Starting point is 01:25:25 thing together and then watch big mouth so you stop crying exactly like take that in yeah get the full weight once again of underrepresented people right the marginalized people right and then big mouth big mouth at the end of it watch big mouth for some i just know that there's tons of like in that on that show there's tons of stuff about him like because it's basically him in puberty yeah yeah it's so good fucking um maya rudolph her character i can't i can't give it away it's a hormone monster it's so fucking good i want to cry it's so good i can't wait to watch it Everything about it Is beautiful Okay
Starting point is 01:26:05 I love it Thanks for listening You guys Guys Thanks for being here With us once again Once again And we appreciate it
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