My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - MFM Minisode 16

Episode Date: January 23, 2017

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That's right, Georgia, sixteen. What did you do for your sixteenth birthday? Well, my mom threw me a surprise party that was actually fun. That's cute. And then we were at my house, and then we all, it was a bunch of people from my school, and then we all watched Friday the 13th that night. That sounds amazing. Turned the lights out, watched a scary movie.

Was it a real, like, I've never known anyone who has been like, and it was a surprise, like, I planned my surprise party, or I pretended that I didn't know about it. No, my mom was so good that she faked a fight beforehand, so I didn't even suspect. I can't do that. There was any possibility. It was like this thing of like, at one point I was like, well, I just would like to make a plan of some kind, and she was like, she was like, well, I wish you weren't so selfish. And like this thing where I was like, whoa, that was weird, like it kind of made me uncomfortable.

I was like, we're now in a weird area where you've never attacked me before. And then she did it for the setup where I really wouldn't expect anything when I got home. I threw Allie a surprise party a couple years ago, and like, I'm so bad at secrets. Like, I just don't have any clearly, I've told everything in my life on a podcast. So like, I couldn't see her before it. Or you'd give it away? Yeah. So she spent her entire birthday alone and got really depressed.

Oh, no. And no one would go out, like, no one was like, do you want to go to lunch? Because everyone was like, yeah, we're going to see her tonight at the surprise party. And she got like super depressed. Oh, no. It was like she felt like she's being iced out. Yeah. But really, I was like, no, I'm throwing you a big surprise party with all your friends.

And then we were, I was like, we were pretending to go to dinner a couple of the girls. And so we were like, waiting and hiding in the driveway to like surprise her when they pulled up. And the car pulled up and we had like silly string and all these poppers. And we attacked the car and it wasn't her. It was my neighbor. And she was so freaked the fuck out. Yeah, I bet she was. So I'm real good at stuff.

Silly string. Yay. Yeah, right. And she had a dog in her car. The dog was like a little lose against mine. That's hilarious. But then was it a good surprise once it was the real surprise? She cried.

She cried. Thank God. That's all you want. You need real tears and you know you did a good job. You know, 16. Anyways, this has been the birthday party podcast. Anyways. Please email us with your 16 year old memories.

Who doesn't want to hear about those? I bored myself one sentence into my own recounting. I loved it. I think it's sweet because you have like, it's like a sweet memory of your mom and like a nice thing she did. And like, it's also that thing. Well, here's what I really remember that I wasn't saying is I was wearing this two piece esprit like blazer pants suit thing. Cause I had a speech meet that day. That was, I wish I could find esprit the brand esprit.

No, a speech meet. Oh, a speech meet is like when you don't make me explain it. It's for nerds. It's basically like drama department when you don't have a drama department. So you go do like a humorous interpretation or dramatic interpretation. Exactly. It's like a more artistic debate. Esprit.

So I can't picture you in anything but full goth. Dude, the reason I wear my no patterns, no colors is because I would do things in high school that I'm still cringing over to this day. And this is three two piece white with black and peach color triangles all over it. Like I looked like I was like the saxophone player in like a bad band. It was rough. When you said Barbara from Stranger Things cosplayed as a receptionist, an 80s receptionist. It's cause you knew what you were talking about. I knew exactly what I was talking about.

Wow. And she was, that was like earlier 80s, but I was later 80s where everybody was feeling it. Where it's like you, everyone was trying to look like Pat. Pardon me. Pat Benatar in that video where she escapes to go be a dancer. Yeah. A paid dancer. Right.

And a dance dancing with men club. So everything's torn. Like I had a lot of outfits that I tried to make it look like people were grabbing my clothes as I ran out of a, I don't know. You were being actively assaulted. Yes. All the time. Shred, shred, shred. And then, oh, I guess I'm here at the dance.

Look at me in my hair. A fumble. I made that up just now. A fumble. That's my new word. I love it. Yeah. You know who my style icon was, even though I didn't.

It was Kelly Bundy. Oh yeah. Rishi. So some nice bicycle pants. Yeah. Like tightest, you know. Sure. Boring.

Go on. Oh, I love it. Or go. Yeah. Go. You don't want to, you can't even visit it, right? No. I'm going to go to a bunch of shit, like boring things that nobody knows about.

And that are also painful. I love her pain. Let's talk about the hair really quick. Okay. Your hair at that time. At 16? At Kelly Bundy time. So 16.

Yeah. Okay. Let's say 16. Well, I was going to rave, so I crimped my pigtails. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And then I sprayed the shit out of it with body glitter. Oh. So. Like this is a day look. This is going to school or nighttime. Yeah. Probably day look too. Because I want to be like nobody better fuck with me.

Yeah. That's right. That's how you show them as glitter. Yeah. Like look what I do on the weekends. I'll kill you. Not hanging out with you idiots. Bye.

No way. Friggin' raves. Yeah. Crimping. I mean there's photos out there. Crimped pigtails. Crimped is mass. That's massive.

Yeah. Were they long pigtails or short little shorty ones? Then they were long. Yeah. So I crimped a shit out of them. Sprayed the fucking hell out of them with glitter. If you went to school at Georgia and you have a picture of those crimped pigtails, we will pay up to $50 for you to post them on social media.

I'll do it myself. Okay. Give me 50 bucks. No. My sister's like going through her photos right now. Finally, that money. I have no money. Should we read a hometown room?

I think we should. Just keep going. That's the point. No, let's keep going. Let's not keep going. Let's not go. Let's never go back. Okay.

Do you want me to go first? You want me to go first? I want you to go first. I have the paper in my hand. Okay. This first one is from Claire. It's from last March. And it says, the subject line is just my hometown murder.

So this is a person that's just about the basics. She's like, no bullshit. Here, I'm doing what you asked me to do. Claire says, hi ladies, absolutely love the podcast, although I listened to the current episode before bed last night. So had no sleep. Oh, that's good. I thought she was going to be like, so you guys need to stop being stupid idiots.

It would be kind of great to start one of these with just a list of criticisms, but then go into a home town. I even would never give us those because we know you would fall apart. Oh, that's right. These are all pre-read. Yeah. Stephen's like, delete, delete, delete. Chew fragile.

I just wanted to share with you guys my hometown murder, uh, smiley face typing smiley face. Aw, Claire. I like her. She's like a, she's like your friend that you can go to no matter what. That's right. Um, Claire, I live in a little old New Zealand, in little old New Zealand, Claire. And one of the most famous, uh, and what the fuck murders, um, has to be the crew family C R E W E murders in 1970, Harvey and Jeanette crew were farmers who were shot dead in their

home, then dumped in a river at a spot called devil's elbow. Why take them away from, why just not leave them? Well, they needed to be dumped. They needed to be for there must have been some kind of and weighed down with a car axle. That's because it's someone they know. They want to hide the bodies, but want to hear this, it, well, it actually says the weird bit question mark.

They had an 18 month old daughter, Rochelle, who was alive in the house and was found about five days after the murders. Someone had been going in and feeding and changing her diaper the whole time. What in the fucking fuck? What in the fuck? All of the fucks. Here's my immediate theory. They didn't mean to have to shoot them.

That's why they hid the bodies. They thought was by weighing them down in a river, but they didn't, they weren't going to kill that baby, which means like to support my accidental theory of like maybe burglars that we're trying to get drug money or something, and then one of the people wanted to leave that baby and the other person like, we can't leave the baby. And maybe one of them was like said to the girlfriend, Hey, like this family needs our help, like just like so the person who was changing the baby and feeding the baby didn't even know that they were dead.

Like just thought I was supposed to come in and do these things. Oh, they're just like an outside hire. Just like could you do me a favor? They're going to be, they're going to be gone during the day, which like you could do when you're in the seventies. You have to leave your fucking baby for a little while. They just need someone to come in once a day and feed the baby and change the diaper. My baby's going to hang out.

Do not herself. This week. Right. Because she's got some stuff to do, but I have to go to work. Whatever you do, don't open the blood soaked pantry. Yeah. But otherwise. Swing by.

Change that diaper. Change the fridge. Hang out with Rochelle. If you want to. Yeah. No biggie. All right. There's more.

Okay. Arthur Allen Thomas was convicted of the murders twice before being acquitted after serving nine years. It turns out the police had planted the evidence. Nobody else had been charged, but there are whispers that Jeanette's father had something to do with it. Her own dad. That's weird.

My mom has a laundry, which would make sense if it's the grandfather. Why he would fucking take care of the grandchild. But then why don't you take that baby? Because then it would be. My mom has a laundry basket weaved by Arthur Allen Thomas. Oh, dear. What he was while he was in prison because you know, she is just as weird as me. Little old New Zealand.

We don't have many murders, but when we do, we do them properly. Claire. Properly. Claire. Claire, we're coming in New Zealand. Claire. We're staying with you. I just picture Claire spinning and on like a grassy hill right now.

Beautiful fabric, like flowery dress, but it's like a sensible dress. Yes. It's not like a fussy dress. No, no, no. It's something she can walk around and maybe run if need be. She's just trying to look feminine, but she doesn't want to be like, you know, fussy. Right. She's not going to be like, look at me.

Yeah. It's just like, well, I'm wearing a dress. Okay. Okay. All right. Thanks. Thanks there. Papa and the hoe.

Yeah, you do. Yeah. Okay. They wrote papa. What's P-A-P-A-W? Papa. Papa. Yeah.

And the quote hoe. Ho. Here's what I have a problem with. Okay. When you mean hoe, but maybe he does mean hoe. Yep. I see the word yard in this. I haven't read it.

And the quote hoe. H-O-E. Everyone should know that if you mean like a bitch in a hoe, like you mean H-O, not like H-O-E. Yes. And if you mean hoe, hoe, hoe, like Santa Claus. H-O. H-O.

The H-O-E is like a garden tool, which I think is about to happen. Okay. Okay. Papa and the hoe. Quote hoe. So I was sitting at the bar drinking a beverage and in popped my, in in popped my head was the memory of how my papa, a.k.a. grandfather, all caps, murdered his best friend. No.

Yep. So our family has a farm just outside of Dallas, Texas, fucking first problem. That's right. When I was a teenager, we traveled around a lot. So my grandfather and his friend quote, Sarge ran the farm, oh, his friend Sarge Sarge is one of those weathery old, skinny old preserved and whiskey kind of guys with a heart of gold. I love him. I remember his trailer being covered in bottle caps and cigarette butts, but he also made

us a cute playhouse and painted pink flowers on it just so on it. So he was a softy at heart. So a little background on their friendship. They bickered a lot just about any little thing. One eye was sandwiched in and once I was sandwiched in an old pickup truck between them bickering about a septic tank. How's he do? However, they were friends forever, so nothing really got too fighty.

So fast forward a few years and we get a call quote Sarge is dead. My dad asked what happened and my grandfather said it was an accident. My dad immediately flew back home to find out what happened. And as it turns out, the two old pals were bickering once again. For some reason Sarge got out of the car and then boom, my grandfather ran him over and now he's dead. What? He snapped.

Yeah. Realizing what had happened. My grandfather ran to the neighbor's yard and claimed Sarge had come at him with a hoe. The neighbors came over and saw a dead Sarge, but surprise, surprise, no hoe. I don't know when he was able to get this by that. But by the time the police came, a hoe miraculously appeared next to Sarge. Sure. My grandfather was never charged and I had to continue living life like it had never

happened, which I always felt weird about because I was hugging a murderer every Christmas and Thanksgiving. My dad and all his friends did a really cool Viking style send off for Sarge and set his trailer on fire and watched it burn while drinking a few shots in his honor. Oh, shit. Karen, write this, Steven, write this down. This is how I want to go. Oh, use that one pen.

Like this apartment on fire, please. But wait, was Sarge inside the trailer because that's the real Viking pyre? Not clear. Okay. That'd be intense. I mean, is that legal? I don't think so. I think you have to have a permit to like dispose of a body.

You definitely have to talk to the city before you do anything. I mean, if they weren't going to fucking convict this grandfather, they were also like, well, but also. I mean, here's what I love. She doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt at all. No. It's just like he did it. The hoe appeared.

It wasn't like, so many of the neighbors were like, yeah, there was never a hoe. What if it rolled off to the side? What if it got stuck in the grill of the truck that he had just hit him? Like, you know, it's like a hoe versus like a truck. I mean, you just got to take care of business though. If someone's coming at you with a hoe, just get into a vehicle. Yeah. Smash.

You got to. Do you ever wonder like, this makes me think about those like, those couples you see that bigger all the time. You're like, oh, they're just, you know, they do this and it's cute and back and forth and then one of them kill like, not this happened to me, but like you, like if one of them killed the other one, it wouldn't be as like, charmingly bickery. No, that's where the charm would end. I don't think, how awkward is it when like a couple, you know, is like bickering like

cutely, but you're like, I never think it's cute. No. Well, you know what? My parents think it's cute. Well, do they? Or can they just not help it? I think they can't show love to each other in public because it creeps them out. Either that or they don't love each other that much and they want to get out, but they

can't figure out how to and they feel stuck and they blame the other person for their stuckness. Oh my God. Oh no. No, I have not been through that. Did you go, I didn't want to ask, did you guys do that, you and your ex? No, no, never. Okay.

We did, we were not bickers. You would understand that. Like that's what that would mean. I have had, I've had data guys where we fought a lot, but I think that was just when I was still drinking and I thought, I really like fighting and I think it's fun. And it's like a way to engage and get a very intense, direct attention, especially when it's not fighting. It's just like this cool argument of like, like, who do you think did it?

And it's like, who killed who? And you're like, no, because this, it's like, not, I'm not calling you a stupid fucking idiot. I'm just like having fun. It's debate. It's debate. It's the difference between bickering and debate. Cause there's, to me, bickering is like, you can't do anything right.

And the person has to say it out loud in front of other people and you make them feel stupid. You're, both of you are trying to make the other, that's the worst and feel stupid. You know the intent. Like when you're on couples who just kind of don't like each other. No fun. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.

No, it's not cool. I love it. Okay. What is this podcast? I don't know. We were going to go on. What are we doing? Where are we?

What's happening? We've moved departments. Why are we still doing this? Like we can be done. We're like out of our element. We're in a brand new spot. Yeah. I haven't painted everything.

Fuck and see foam green yet. That's right. So we just don't know. Feels off. Yeah. Yeah. That's my hometown murder. I hope you guys enjoy PS.

Uh-oh. Shout out to Steven. He was one of the first people I met when I moved to the U S over from New Zealand. I surf with this girl. I met this girl. Met him at a party and moved. Nope. And had a bond over Kiwi land and now murder ever since.

Do you remember? I do. I do. And also I studied abroad in New Zealand. I'm very partial to life. Kiwi murders because it's such a. Empty country where. Cointess fuck.

Yeah. It's coiness. And it's like the country's bigger than California, but has. Less than. I think 6 million people. Wow. Just like LA has like 12 million. Yeah.

Is it really like charming and cute? Yeah. My sister went there once. Yeah. It's I mean it's beautiful and there's no people there. So it's great. Karen. That's amazing.

Steven. Let's move there now. I like this idea that Steven would pick a hometown murder that then would draw. Something out of Steven that we get to learn. Like, well, I would have never known. No. Certainly would never have asked. Then we get to know it.

Good call. Steven. Everyone should be a little bit about you. I don't think this is buried so deep though. And I don't think you would have done that on purpose. No, let's pretend everyone's about him. And then so we're going to turn everyone and then be like, what is it? Steven.

Steven's like, well, I want you to call me Sarge. No. People are going to do that. I mean, they better. Steven Sarge Ray Morris from now on. Sarge Ray Morris. Wait, please note I stayed sexy and didn't get murdered even though I will put myself in a potentially high risk, murdery couch surfing situation and came out of a lovely

Hitler mustache friend. Nice. That's right. Clearly. I went to see you guys in Austin. Is it Ansonia? Yeah, that's what you say. Did I say that right?

Ansonia. Ansonia. That's a beautiful name. She said that recently. Okay. But that was good. Thank you. And Sonia.

Let's see where's the other one I did. Oh, here it is. Again, my hometown murder. Just the basics. You know what? Sometimes you don't need a fucking fro. Yeah. Maybe that's how we're going to be for 2017.

We don't even know it. You know what this is? It's not putting a fucking parsley garnish on it. You're just like, here's my fucking dish. Yeah, I don't need to slice up oranges for you. No, you don't need. You're not going to eat it. We know.

No, you don't fucking eat it. That's right. You always push it off and put it on the table anyway. Because you know why? There's fingers all over. I haven't been touching it. There's fingers. And also I'm eating scrambled eggs.

I don't want orange in it. No. Nobody does. It's like your dad. Your old dad. Your weird old dad. Yeah. Looking for a better cooking routine?

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Hi Karen and Georgia. I'm happy to share the story of my favorite hometown murder. It's a weird one. It took place in 1999 in Jackson, Michigan. I just like the start. I'm happy to share my story. He's like, I've been waiting since 1999 to share my story. Check your fucking email.

A guy named Kip ran a restaurant called Kip's Tacos. All of it. That's it. Let's go to the next one. Oh my God, if the taco meat was a body, I would cry. Any time we laugh like this at the top, it turns on us so hard. Oh, that's depressing. Just the name Kip's Tacos is like something I would make up and try to put into a script.

I'm just saying. This whole podcast is something you'd put in a script and be like, just kidding. It kind of is. But Kip's Tacos is like, what's a wider name than Kip? Oh, so Kip made the tacos? Don't go get Kip's Tacos. So Kip cut up hot dogs and some velvita and stuck it in an old shell. Kip made tacos twice at like a cookout.

And everyone was like, Kip, you should open a taco place. And I was like, all right. And open a taco place. It's either that or being a accountant. We're going to regret saying all of that. A guy named Kip ran a restaurant called Kip's Tacos with his wife, Patricia. One day he apparently looked up at her, thought she was the devil and beat her to death with a pipe. Whoa.

See, that's not funny. I don't know where. Then he chopped up the old girl. Did he cook her? He cooked her. Well, then he chopped up the body and cooked parts of it in the restaurant's kitchen. Yep. I see Kip's Tacos are not funny anymore.

I don't. I mean, were we wrong? No. Were we wrong to not eat a place called Kip's Tacos? Yeah. We just got to go with like, it was a taco place. How many people of Latin descent are inside of that place? Yeah.

That's where you go. And don't give me like, well, tacos are Americanized now. It's like, well, no, you don't get to do that. No way. I don't remember there being any evidence that he ate her and luckily no one else did either. That's really good news. The restaurant was being, the restaurant was closed at the time because Kip was recovering from brain surgery. Oh my God.

He'd had a major blood clot removed a week or so before the murder. They fucked with his brain. The police caught him two days later when he was spotting, spotted leaving his wife's severed head in a box on the neighbor's porch. He, they, they fucking pokey-poked out some fucking major part of that thing. At the original trial, his defense claimed temporary insanity caused by the brain surgery. Yeah. I buy it.

I buy it too. The jury didn't buy it. Well, they really says that's the next line. The jury didn't buy it and he was convicted of murder. Not laughing at that. Many years later, he appealed with a new defense of, what do you think it might have been? Brain problems. No, it's not brain.

It's something else. Taco crazy. What's taco related that you, that could make you maybe a little crazy, but also is stupid defense? Tortilla. I don't know. What? Marijuana induced psychosis. What's that?

You do tacos. That's so stupid. I don't know. People eat. Marijuana induced, that's not a thing. He tried. Dude, go with the fucking, you just had brain surgery. Brain surgery.

Everyone who smokes pot is like, chill as fuck. They will not kill. No. They will eat your tacos. Sure. That's all. Yeah. So it's many years later, he appealed with a new defense of marijuana induced psychosis.

No. He never got a new trial and remains in prison. Kip's tacos sat vacant for several years after the murder, I would imagine. Eventually the building was sold and the new owners auctioned off the equipment. Not sure how that's ethical or legal. It's now called Steve's tacos. It's now called Chip's tacos. Chip's tacos.

At least that's like, you can get some, you get free chips with it. You know what I mean? Well, and also what kind of fucking, have you been to these places that are like charged for chips and salsa? Oh, right. Don't come at me. Yes. Absorb it into the price of the tacos.

If it's absorbed in, they'll give you like 11 chips. Oh. But if you say, I'm fine paying, they will give you. 400. 4,000. Yes. It's like, I've had like an entire bag full. I was like, I just wanted to decide to make sure that I kind of got to eat a couple of

chips too many. Like in between and like to clean up the taco. Get some of that salsa bar or whatever. Yeah. But then no, you can eat chips for like two weeks if you pay a dollar 25. And you'll do it. And you will do it. You know, my, my grandma used to make me go get her.

Um, you know, there's like one time crackers. They have it like, like good Chinese places that you get before the food comes and you dip them in like sour and mustard. Like I'd get her those just for Hanukkah, like a bag of those. Cause she was so, so dumb. You mean like a big full bag? Yeah. I go there and I like, can I get them?

And then like, they loved her there. And they were like, yeah, it'll cost a buck. And I'm like, great, give me eight of them. And I'll just bring them home for her. That's a really good, that's such a treat because you would never have it, but they would like, they would, um, withstand the, the journey. Yeah. Those would be good for days.

They were great. We had her, um, her funeral party. Yeah. Is that a thing? Awake. Foo's Palace, everyone. And if you're in LA, best fucking Chinese food. Foo's Palace?

Yeah. Oh no, I've never heard of that. Pico and Robertson is like an old school Chinese place to me. I once made my friend for his birthday because he really loved bacon. And this was back before bacon was like a trend and people talked about it on fucking Tumblr all the time. Right. Um, I made him a bag of bacon.

So it was just like, I had just made like, I think two packages of bacon and stuck it in a brown bag. And I was like, how many birthday? I'm pregnant. And he was so like, no one had gotten him that before. It was, he was stoked. It was exactly what he wanted. That's adorable.

Yeah. I love that. Thank you. Me too. I was very proud of that gift and how happy I am. What I should like request from you. Oh, I will observe your behaviors and I will give you a thing that you don't realize you want a bag of bag of cats.

Um, thank you. Okay. I hated you from then on. Okay. Oh, okay. One more. All right. I was friends with my hometown murderer.

Hi, Karen and Georgia. I just started listening to your podcast recently at the suggestion of my sister. Sister. Every time sisters are doing it for the sister. And I love it. I think that you ladies are too funny. I did a spit take all listening to your first episode when the phrase quote, murder, murder cuttlefish was used.

What? Because I don't know what that is. My hometown murder story is about a friend that I had throughout elementary and junior high. The entirety of these events took place in my hometown of Calgary, Alberta. I was pretty good friends with this girl, particularly in seventh and eighth grade. Her name is Shelby Hurchak. We had, she and I had several classes together.

I'm assuming she's the murderer if she gave me her name or the deceased. Yes. Several classes together, shared many sleepovers. We lived somewhat close and saw each other quite often. We ended up going to different high schools and quickly fell out of touch. In 2010, when Shelby was 18, she had a baby. A littlest in a month after giving birth, Shelby killed her baby. No, Shelby.

She had gone out to a club that evening and gotten pretty drunk for someone who recently gave birth. Initially, do you get drunk when you give birth? I guess you have a lower tolerance because you haven't had a drink ideally in nine months. Although it's a whole month later. I just don't know. I feel like three days later, I'd be like, all right, let's clear all this up. Although no, actually, because you have to, I think you can't drink that much because

of nursing. Yeah. Well, you can still pump and I don't think that affects. We have no idea what we're talking about. I mean, I never, I mean, this thing is sewn up. It's not fucking happening. Like Annie Sprinkel? He just sewed that thing up.

Yeah. It's just like later days to my womb. Da da da da da da. Kill a baby, gotten pretty drunk for some da da da. Initially, she posted on Facebook that her son had had a seizure and died naturally, which is why you don't post these things on Facebook. You don't have to explain to Facebook anything ever. Just remember that, please.

Yeah, everyone. Later, she was arrested. The doctors who examined the baby determined that he had died of blunt force trauma and he was also recovering from a previous head injury. Okay, so she was not handling it. Monster. In court, she claimed that a friend's dog had knocked the baby a few weeks prior. The court had none of her shenanigans and gave her five and a half years in prison for manslaughter, even though she never gave a proper confession. I will say this. If you hurt your child and you go to jail as a woman, your life is living hell.

It's like I hear on par with what they do to pedophiles. In women's prison, if they know that you... Like that's the lowest of the low. It's the lowest of the low. They make your life hell. Good. I mean, I know that, you know, a little justice. Yes. Things like that are like...

There's what's it called? There's like a pecking order and these horrible people, rightfully so, should be... They should be fucked with in the same way that they're the people who trusted them were fucked with. I mean, yeah. Like pedophiles and child killers. It's like, fuck you. Okay. It wasn't until she was talking with members of her parole board like five years later that Shelby fully confessed. She admitted to having anger and substance abuse issues and that she would take it out on the baby. She said that she would angrily toss... I don't know if I should

keep reading this. I mean, do you need it? Is it bad? Her sentence ended this past November. Stephen, what are you doing? Looking back, she seemed like the type to do something crazy. I hope you enjoyed my very distant brush with murder. Keep up the excellent work. Cheers, Emily. Emily, that is not a distant brush.

No. You had sleepovers with this girl. You could have done something about it. Shaving Emily. We accuse you, Emily. How could you? Je accuse. Yeah.

Which is something someone from Montreal would say. That's a different part of Canada. I don't know. I don't know Spanish. Can I just say that Shelby Hockstecker or whatever that girl's last name... It was such a Canadian name when she first said it. It was so like... So she's at a prison now.

Yeah. Isn't it weird like someone like that could be like into murder, like a murder Reno and like, be like, yeah, I love, you know, like not understand the connection between like her liking serial killers and her being a murderer. Herself? Like she's not... Herself? Yeah, she's not.

Oh, you're just saying if she is. I was like, Emily did not do this crime. No, Emily. Emily's cool. Shelby Hockstecker. Right, right. Like what if she's like, yeah, I'm really into serial killers and like, no, you're not allowed to be into serial killers because you're a monster.

I mean, I feel like that's the typical, you know, lack of self-awareness that your average murder... It's not the same thing. And I was, I was 18 and I was in a bad place, you know, like... Well, but here's the thing. If she got sober in jail and then she has to live with the thing she did on drugs, which is kill her own child, that is... I mean, we just have to look at that side too.

I just don't... But no. I know. Because what percent of drug addicts kill their own kids? I bet it's a real small... I bet it is really small. And so some fucking heroin addicts who's like just crazy addicted might walk away from their family and kids.

No, the killing is a different area. Yeah. But what percentage of people who kill their children are on drugs? I bet that's kind of high. Yeah. And like legitimately wouldn't have done it ever if that hadn't happened. This is a bad area, Emily. Let's read one more.

Okay. Well, let's make it a happy... Yeah, let's get a good... Can you make it happy? Let's get an upbeat murder. Let's get... This might be good. Okay.

Okay. I think these two pages go together. It would be kind of funny if we started one... Dude, mix them up and let's have some fun. Okay. Now, I haven't read through this. Good. Well, this is going to be a dice roll, but it looks pretty good.

It's from Hailey and it was from January 8th of 2016. So she's like an original e-mailer. Aw, thank you. And this is called My Mom the Murder Magnet, an e-mail from a reenactment actor. Oh, so I think I may have seen that there's... A woman posted her pictures on Twitter. She got to play a dead body on like a CSI show.

Like, were you talking about Steven? Like, were you talking about me? No, this was a little while ago. Oh, no. I would say it was like last summer. Ooh. And it was pretty amazing. So this might be the same person.

Okay. Cool. I'm not going to tell you ladies how much I love the podcast because it's fucking annoying and pandering when people do that. Okay. So my mom... No, cut it out. No, don't read this.

Fuck her. Don't fucking read this. Hailey, fuck you. Okay. So my mom, who is the dictionary definition, of a sweet baby angel or angle up to you, has somehow always had in her life been in a five-mile radius of a serial killer. Now, I'm sure we're all always in a five-mile radius of a serial killer,

but the difference is that we don't have to know about it. My mom grew up in Ellensburg, Washington, which is basically bum fuck nowhere with a state university located smack in the middle of town. I know where this is going to go. Uh-oh. Naturally, she went to the university Central Washington while she was there.

Ted Bundy kidnapped and murdered Elaine Randcourt. Elaine was walking from campus to the movie theater in town and Ted was prowling the campus approaching girls with his arm in a sling asking for help. My mom was not any of these girls, but she was on campus at the time. Fast forward, my mom has moved to Kent, a suburb just south of Seattle

and lives in a house with my dad and yours truly. I don't have any memories from this house, but I see that there's a lot of memories in this house. But I specifically remember my parents constantly talking with our next door neighbor. Holy shit. Turns out my neighbor was the prosecutor on the Gary Ridgeway case, the Green River Killer.

All those years he was meeting with my parents, he was updating them on the case and what was happening. Her parents are cool as shit. Right? While they were where they were finding bodies. Since my mom was working a working paralegal at the time, I guess he thought it was OK to divulge details to her. No, it's illegal.

Is that illegal? I think so. He was just like, they found another one down by the sew and sew. How could you not gossip about that? Oh, how can you keep it to yourself? It went on for years. It's like, you need to tell your neighbors or your kids,

which one to pick one. He made the right choice. When I go home, there is one road we always drive down that has a ravine next to it. As a child, I always had a weird feeling about that road. And to this day, I am convinced one of his victims is down there. No, that's just her personal feeling.

Later when I was in high school, I learned that my best friend's mom was Ridgeway's corrections officer. She said he was very nice, but mostly kept to himself. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Red flag. I also had a friend in high school

whose brother went crazy one night and tried to murder his entire family. After this happened, I would still go over to their house. He was always there. That's really all I can say about that. What in the fucking fuck? Hailey, are you a compulsive liar? Finally, I think you should totally fucking appreciate this.

I've been a reenactment actor on the show on ID. While my person didn't end up killing the person, she stabbed. I did find her on Facebook and was able to go back through her timeline and see when these things happened. Oh my god. That is so cool.

Hailey, you're out of your mind. You're out of your mind. Don't say that. Keep it. Sorry, Hailey, we're 100%. We support you. She might come have a serial killer move in next to you. She might come make friends with a paralegal.

She's fine. Oh, she's trying to get tickets for when we go to Oakland. She lives in Marin. Oh, she loves hearing us talk about the Bay. I mean, you know, now it's half Hailey's show. This email is so long. Stay fucking, stay fucking sexy. Don't get murdered, at least until after the Oakland show.

Then you're on your own. Well done. That was great. What if we went to Seattle? Are we going to Seattle? Yeah. Let's go to the. I really want to see what the Green Bay killer.

Nope, the. Green River. Thank you. Yeah. That's for when we go to Wisconsin. I want to see the locations because, you know, I don't understand how picturesque it is. And I think it's pretty fucking picturesque.

In. Yeah. Green Bay. Green River. Oh, that reminds me. The whole Ted Bundy, he was walking with a sling and all this shit, which I feel like he must have approached like a hundred women to get one because there's so many women

that are like so many girls at emails like my mom. No, he really did. He kind of didn't give a fuck. He would do it a lot. He kept going. All right. So I posted this like really hot photo of Vincent, like 20 years old on my Instagram the other day.

And someone, oops, someone said, I hang on. I have to read that. OK. Her name is the K's, the C-A-Y-S. She wrote, she commented 10 out of 10 would help him carry things to his VW if his arm was in a sling. Yes.

It was like, that hits me on so many levels. Vince's Ted Bundy hot. Thank you. Yeah. All right. Well, that's fun. This mini sewed. Yeah.

Thanks for listening, you guys. Those were good. Yeah. Keep writing them to us. We're at my favorite murder at Gmail. Say hi to Steven when you write them because we're not. And most of all, stay sexy. And don't get murdered.

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