My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - MFM Minisode 2

Episode Date: May 26, 2016

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We at Wondery live, breathe and downright obsess over true crime and now we're launching the ultimate true crime fan experience, Exhibit C. Join now by following Wondery, Exhibit C on Facebook and listen to true crime on Wondery and Amazon Music, Exhibit C. It's truly criminal. Hi. Hi Karen. This is my favorite murder, mini-sode, hometown mini-sode. It's a mini-sode guys, so don't get involved. Keep it light and get ready to move on quickly. If you're on like a quick treadmill run or you have like a quick commute or someone's telling you a boring story, you can just throw in an airbud and just real quick listen to some murder stories. Okay, these are ones that you guys have sent in to my favorite murder at Gmail that I'm

going to read to Karen. Awesome. Yeah, I haven't read these. Okay. So these will be a fun surprise. Yeah. Let's see here. So about a week ago, I was with, this is from John. About a week ago, I was with my girlfriend and we came, we were at my sister's house and not sure how it came up, but we started talking about the murder of my best friend at the time, Eric Juist, J-O-O-S-T, when I was a kid. We grew up in a small suburb outside of Austin. Basically, we were both in 10th, we were both 10 at the time and in fifth grade. His dad was the coach for the soccer team. We're both on as well as some other friends. Our families were close and we had slumber parties. He lived with his parents and younger sisters who I think were four at the time.

They always had awesome birthday parties. Basically, they were a model family. This is not going to go well. Nope. So after one weekend in the spring and no one hears from them, they send someone over to check on them. Something was fishy, so they called the local police. The whole family is dead. Triple murder, suicide is what they ruled. They said that the dad went through the house and shot them all and then in their sleep and then off themselves. Yeah. Oh, but then, so right there, it seems plausible that he did it obviously, but the family swears the dad would never do that and I can't see how either, he says. And the bumbling local yokel cops, here we go again,

walked around through the crime scene and messed up a lot of evidence. But another weird thing was that he was in charge or very high up with the Texas horse racing commission. And so a lot of people speculate that he had some damning evidence or knew some things that maybe there was a hit on him. But why would they, so that's that. Well, why would they kill the whole family? Usually they leave someone alive so that something terrible like that has a lasting mark or something. Right. The point is that you don't give out the evidence. Right. Also, what's the most obvious answer that the dad killed everyone? Yeah, but if it's too bad, there's no other information like then it was revealed that he

actually began spitting on horse racing or whatever. I bet there is somewhere, but these are hometown murder emails. You know what sucks about that? Cause we keep reading these stories and we're all so interested in these stories, but like it's basically that thing where over and over it's people and people going, there's no way this person did it. And then they did. So then you're just like, can anybody do this? Yeah. I mean, well, you would hope that you eat like the same thing with wonnie like, like learn about serial killers. Like would we have known? Right. But we have been able to tell immediately. I don't think so.

I feel like that sciences should be sciences next step. Let's stop trying to figure out if wine is good or bad for us or whatever the fuck those studies are. And let's get onto like just one of those weird like deodorant strip tests where you can tell somebody's sociopath or not psychopath. Yeah. And I'm thinking like if they look up to the, to the right when they're lying, then they're like this and that there is that yawn. Did you hear the yawning? Yes. I love that. If you yawn and then the person you're with doesn't catch the yawn, which is a natural human instinct, then they might be a sociopath. But I don't want to believe that. Why? Cause Vince doesn't yawn. Like I've tried it a few times now. Is he paying attention to you though? I don't

know. I'd like almost done it in his face. I mean, I feel like that might not be hard science. I also want to say that I have the most anxiety and I'm constantly looking for ways I'm going to get murdered. Yes. So this is obviously just my anxiety and Vince. And husband is your number one, your number one guy. Right. And anything else he's ever done in our relationship has not been even close to a sociopathic. No, he is one of the most empathetic people I've ever met. Yeah. Very empathetic. Very empathetic. Yeah. He's the guy that like when a group situation is happening, he's thinking for the group. Yeah. That's a person that isn't. He'll interfere with chaos to like chill it out. Yes. No, he's good people. Yeah. He takes care of the most anxious

fucking wife in the world and he's very sweet about it. He's a goddamn saint. So good for it. So yawning. So don't believe it. Don't believe it. Don't believe the yawn. Okay. Here's a good, let's see. Well, there's, here's a Girl Scouts one that I really liked that I immediately thought was going to be the girls who got killed in at the Girl Scout camp, but it wasn't. There's a good generation generation Y about that that you recommended to me. Right. Yeah. It's a good one. So this girl, her name is Andrea says, I think this is my first, the first murder story I remember. It's from Nashville, Tennessee. And it was in the seventies. Let's see. So this girl is okay. In 1975, Marcia Trimble was nine years old in Girl Scouts knocking on doors, selling those damn addictive

cookies. She went missing and they didn't find her body until about 30 days later. If being murdered wasn't bad enough, she was found on Easter Sunday. I don't know what that means because I'm Jewish. So I don't understand the significance of that, but I'll explain the Bible to you later. Would you mind? Uh, they did not find the killer until 33 years later. Oh, so can I guess? Is it someone that was like a pillar of the community? No, I ended up looking it up. Um, if you walk up to anyone in the forties or older in Nashville, they will remember that little girl. It was ingrained in us by her parents to never go knocking on anyone's door. No shit. Uh, yeah. Good lesson. Um, I can't believe that they let us just knock on doors. Oh,

and she says, I can't be positive, but I think this is why Girl Scouts now sell together at tables at grocery stores. Yeah. Dude, I fucking tried to sell. So like my school would be like, go sell this wrapping paper from door to door or you're not going to be able to go to the like camp. Yes. Listen, it was only whatever 30 years ago, but it was as if it was the Dark Ages, the way people approached, uh, how children should be in the world. Yeah. It's hilarious. They were just, I feel like they must have been trying to thin out the herd. I mean, yeah, there's something to it where we have a very high population overcrowding in classrooms. Oh my God. And they're so loud. And when they get together and they scream,

because it's so obvious, it's idiotic. Yes. No, it's remember for a while after like, um, you know, Adam Walsh disappeared and all the eighties heyday of, Oh my God, this happens. And this is crazy. There was a thing where it was, um, there were certain safe houses. If a house in my town, they had this paloma. If there was a house with a certain sticker in the front window and you were in trouble, you could go and knock on that door and go to that house of safe, like someone was following you. Yes. The look on your face is exactly right. Georgia Hardstock, who's nodding her head because the people who want to eat children get those stickers first. Like that's the most obvious, like clearly that's the murderer, rapist, child molester.

It's basically saying, do you need ingredients for your child's stew? We just set up a governmental program for you. We're just going to have them like, it's like cows to the slaughter. We're just going to have them on a conveyor belt, go into this quote, safe house. Yeah. Cause the first, I remember as a kid seeing that and being like, that's so cool. Cause if I'm scared or whatever. And then I was just like, I don't know who would do, like that's totally my mom's voice of like, Oh Jesus, who'd get involved? Who'd do that? Yeah. I don't want kids on my porch. Exactly. Kids are gross. Yeah. Um, well, there is the, I remember hearing if you're ever in trouble or someone's following you or something, go to a woman and ask her for help. Yeah. Which is so sad

that it's like, don't go to a man because the man, even a cop, it was like, don't go to a cop. It was like, go to a cop. Don't go to a cop. What? I don't know. This is, that person had been hurt badly. Yeah. They were very bitter. Go to a woman. Yeah. I don't know. Ask a woman for help. Although I guess they're pretty weak and meek. If they came to me, I'd be like, what did you do? What did you do to ask for this? Yeah. Were you shooting off your mouth? Hey, I'm Aresha. And I'm Brooke. And we're the hosts of Wondery's podcast, Even the Rich, where we bring you absolutely true and absolutely shocking stories about the most famous families and biggest celebrities the world has ever seen. Our newest series is all about the incomparable diva, Whitney Houston. Whitney's

voice defined a generation and even after her death, her talent remains unmatched. But her incredible success hit a deeply private pain. In our series, Whitney Houston, Destiny of a Diva, we'll tell you how she hid her true self to make everyone around her happy and how the pressure to be all things to all people led her down a dark path. Follow Even the Rich wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Oh, it's Oh, so here's, here's a recent thing that's going on that this girl Cassandra wrote in. She of course found us through Cracked. Thank you Cracked podcast. Cracked podcast. So she's from Calgary, Canada. Oh, Calgary up in Manitoba. Remember when I did the bus, the bus murder and I was like the information I gave out

about Canada was severely incorrect. I mean, you can't get everything right. I think I have like a roughly like a sixth grade education. So please keep that in mind when you listen to this podcast. I stopped paying attention in like third grade. So like, yeah, sixth is like, because then you went through the rest of school. So the total is like sixth grade total. Exactly. I can't do math clearly. So the trial for this guy just started yesterday and there's been a publication ban on it since the murder was committed two years ago. So the details of the case are just starting to emerge and they're weird. Last day of school in the University of Calgary is called Bermuda Shorts Day. That means the nerdiest fucking thing I've ever heard. That makes me think

of high school and hate everything sponsored by doctors. Remember that like weird hair day, wear your pajamas day. Yes, where I'm always like, I'm not wearing Bermuda Shorts. I have broken blood vessels on the back of my knees. I'm from Ireland. Go fuck yourself. Yeah. Okay. So and typically all the university students get drunk, wear Bermuda Shorts and all in all just have a good time and get raped probably. So on Bermuda, Bermuda, Bermuda Shorts Day in 2014, this kid named Matthew DeGrood went on a massive murder spree and he stabbed five people to death. What? And I've been seeing, well, because I look at the Facebook feed that there's been like photos of them up and like they're just all sweet university kids. Oh wait, I think I saw that same

article. Four dudes and a woman and a girl got killed. The police sent the dogs. He killed them all at random at a house party. The police sent the dogs out after him once they got to the scene and found him not very far away. What was strange about it was that Matthew DeGrood was sequestered for psychiatric treatment for an extremely long time following the murders and leading up to the case. So the mood around campus was crazy, vigils, all of this stuff. This person says I definitely cried because they were around my age and could easily have been in the same, I could have easily been at the same parties because I traveled in similar circles and I couldn't understand why someone would randomly murder five young people at a party.

When I found out in the news, what I was gonna say, how loud, how loud was the music though? What? If you're a neighbor. Oh yeah. They're just, they're just blasting. It's been one way because they looked at me. I'm just saying. I hope you had that. Isn't that what they play when people graduate? Let's see. When I found out in the news. Flight show, flight show time of your life. Crying. I'm gonna miss you. I'm gonna kill you. That one little voice. I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna miss you. I'm gonna murder you. Since the publication ban was lifted, some crazy shit has come out. Basically in the weeks leading up to the murders, Matthew DeGrood's mental state seemed to deteriorate completely,

sending random texts to his parents that made no sense. I guess he was also searching up quote, Obama is the antichrist and looking. Nothing crazy about that. And looking into Hitler. You're just lightly looking into him? As one does. Well, I obsessively look into Hitler. So I've looked deeply into Hitler. Thank God I've never googled Obama is the antichrist. I bet some fun websites come up if you do. I bet some real smart, well written, interesting websites come up. I bet nobody mistakes the word there for the word there. No, never. Two and two is all correctly written. Loose and lose. Yeah, always right. The night of the murders, his friend went to pick him up and take him to the party where

the horribleness happened. DeGrood was incoherently babbling about the apocalypse happening at midnight. Don't take him to a party then. Yeah. And donned a latex glove quote, in case he had to kill someone in the apocalypse. This friend. Bro, seriously. He gave his friend a knife and a head of garlic to protect himself in the apocalypse. The car over garlic ain't going to do shit in the apocalypse unless it's used as currency, which I could see that happening. Yes, because it's very good for you. Like canned food are probably disgusting and you want to spice it up with some garlic. That's right. Garlic would cover a lot of the rotting peas that you'd be eating into eternity. Absolutely. Yeah. If any of your friends are talking about a, the apocalypse,

be zombies or vampires actually really being in the real world. And if they're dawning surgical gloves, do not go to the party. No, don't take him to a party. Don't take him to a party. Call the police and say that you want to have him, especially if he's had, yeah, you want to have him committed for 24 hour watch. Something's wrong with your friend. Yeah. Psych ward, emergency room. They might hate you and never want to be your friend again, but they might also kill five people. Yeah. Pick one. You gotta pick one of those two. You just got to have your eyes peeled. Yeah. Like garlic. Yes. Sometimes in the early hours of the morning, a bunch of people at the party left to get McDonald's and left the five victims and

one sleeping girl alone with DeGroude from what I understood. Do you want to hear more of this? Sure. I hate this story, but crazy rantings. I can't even, they stabbed people. Oh God. God, we've all been at this fucking party. It's like the party that kind of won't end. But you don't even want to, yeah. And you're sleeping off because you can't drive home. Yeah. And you're kind of like, it's like a seven beer drunk where you just have a headache. Yeah. You didn't have a good time. Now you just have a headache. You have like an early hangover. Your pants don't like button all the way because they're just like. And you're still hanging out there because you think that one guy might try to make out with you,

but it's not panning. No. Suddenly. And he's like fall down drunk. So do you even want to make out with him? Yeah. But you're just trying to like stay in the mix. But your friend doesn't want to go home yet. Or you, or your friend went home already and you're like, I'm gonna stay. Yes. Oh, that, the old I'm going to stay. I'm going to stay. Never stay behind at a party. You'll get murdered. Yeah. So that's, I mean, more and more, but there's, you know, it's out in the, it's being tried now. I find the fact that they do a media hold fascinating. Oh, because of the jury. I don't know. Is that why they do it? Canada, I guess, right? Isn't that what you said at the very beginning? Yeah. And I didn't know that either. I would

guess it's so that the jury can't find out any information, which is like the media here would never let that happen because they make so much money off constantly having information. And whether it's true or not, they just put it out and then they fact check and other news outlets pick up on that not fact checked information and report it as well. Then it's all true. They also guilt the victims families into giving interviews when they don't want to. And then when it's too early, I just read this in that and roll book because she was a reporter, but she never did that. She never interfered with the victims families, but reporters, because they had to get their story would go to the families and say, tell us the story before somebody else

talks about how she, this girl that got murdered by 10, buddy asked for it was, was slutty in real life. Like that they would basically threaten the family pretending to be the friend by saying they're going to print a story about how she asked for it. You give me the real story. And then that's how they get the like tearful interviews from the family. It's so ugly. Whenever I watch those or see those, the fucking news reporter just seems like such a shark and like a disgusting person who would, and I have to think that they don't want to do it. It's their boss making them do it or whatever. Or, and they just hurt themselves in that position, but they always ask questions like, how did that make you feel? It was like, we all know how they feel. You don't

have to make them relive feelings and show feelings. Yeah. Especially when, when that might not be the feeling at the moment, it could be completely different than what it's supposed to be going on. Yeah. They could be in some weird stage of grief where they're like, I feel nothing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm completely empty. Or like, I'm so happy right now. No, that's not true. I don't think that's, that's not one of the stages. I always wonder about the, the, um, suspects family and the like, the murder. Did you ever see that when this, this footage from like 48 hours or something where the sister of the murder victim was like trying to get the family to talk to her and she was so angry because they wouldn't, the murderers family. Yeah. Just yelling at them

and they were in trial every day supporting him and the, and they're walking down the street and the, the victim's sister is yelling at them and the sister of the murder turns around walks to her and hugs her and is like, I'm so sorry. Oh, we're going through a lot too. And I'm really sorry. Did they both ball their heads off? Yeah. Cause I'm going to start right now. I know. Yeah. Because everyone's a victim in that situation. They're not the murderer. They're horrified that the wife of the murderer or child muster or rapist, I feel like gets a bad rap too. The worst. How did she not know how she not do anything when you have to think that they're probably abuse at least, you know, uh, mentally abused people.

Yeah. Something. Yeah. No, it's, it's super ugly. Everyone. There's so many victims. Yeah. You look like you're about to cry. I'm just sorry. No, I'm just feeling low. No, no, no, just that. I was so manipulating. I just started talking about my own problems. My dog is, my dog holds me hostage. I forgot to pay my gas bill. Um, no, the image, it's the same thing. It gets me every time, anytime a victim's like father tells a murderer, I forgive you. Have you ever seen those in the courtroom? It, it makes me lose it immediately because it's all, it's, that's, that's usually when you see one of those people break because they're good at stealing themselves against hatred and all that.

But it's that a human connection is the hardest thing. Yeah. I always think about how hard having to read a victim's statement is at the end of a trial after sentencing or during sentencing because you're not going to get what you want out of it. No, no, but yeah, but yeah, but saying I forgive you. That's a, that's like the biggest punch you can get. I feel like I'm thinking of there's very specific like forensic files or whatever. Cause the dad that I remember seeing do it had a big gray beard and white hair. And I think he was wearing rainbow suspenders. I'm not kidding. And he was clearly like an old hippie dad and he said that. And I want to say it was to somebody like a BTK or somebody where it's just like, I'm forgiving you because it's for myself.

Totally. And because this is, you know, yeah, we've heard enough. Hold that anger in your fucking heart. We need to figure out how to end these podcasts more. What if we just, what if we just both start solving with that beat? Would that make you happy with then we have a fucking empathy for you? Well, Elvis is far away. So I can't have him meow. I just like the fact that this surprises us every time where it's like, we have a podcast about the worst thing ever. And every time we're like, yeah, that was so, that wasn't as funny as I thought it was going to be. Well, this was a murder mini. So which is just a little, little gift to the, to the actual podcast. So go back and listen to the actual podcast. Yeah. There's just something

to get you through the week. Yeah. I like maybe a Monday or a Tuesday. We're putting this up. Yeah. There's t-shirts and my favorite murder shirt, shirt, my favorite murder shirt.com might be shirts. I don't remember. Try both. Try them both. Then tell us what the second one that isn't right brings you to. That would be interesting. Could be anything. And also we have a Patreon, if you feel like. Yeah. Patreon.com slash my favorite murder. And, you know, other than that, stay sexy and don't get murdered. Bye. Bye.