My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - MFM Minisode 20

Episode Date: March 6, 2017

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Oh, my God. Somehow. Welcome to my favorite microphone. Did you say welcome to my favorite microphone? Good one. Thank y'all. Welcome to my favorite murder. How many sewed? It's a mini sewed, which means take it easy. Don't worry about it. Yeah. It's look, we're just going to read some stuff. We don't really know what it's going to say. We're not taking this seriously. We don't. We can't. Why are you? I mean, stop being it's like you're sitting there with your pen and your paper just making lists of things. Just take it easy for a second. You think you're better than us? Yeah, you're not better than us. And we're not better than you. I mean, we're all the same under God's eyes. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Sorry. I know I talk about God too much on this blog. I'm trying to

push it in a lightly Christian direction. I didn't want to say anything. Who am I to judge? I did during the live episode, I did reference God also because I found a sale dress, but that doesn't I'm not affiliated with any mega church, like thank you Jesus, you were right. I anytime I find something on sale for under $80, I give it straight up to Jesus. That's you're supposed to like a yeah, like thank you. Yeah, because Jesus cares about fashion, fashion, bargain fashion, bargain fashion, discount price, basement price. He loves the basement. Yeah, that's why he's all church groups take place in basements. Just read your thing. Oh, me? You were talking to Jesus still. Oh, that's private prayer. Read my hometown. Yeah, I might as well start it or I'll just keep

talking about the Lord. We'll just keep making jokes about clothes and so these are your hometown murders that you've emailed us. You've emailed us many at my favorite murder at Gmail and the fucking fucked up murders you remember being fascinated by. So here's one. So we were just in Boston in New York for a live show. Oh my gosh, Boston in New York. Thank you. What a the weather, the weather, the people hotel. Oh my God, the all of the gifts. Yeah, this is taking place before this happened. Yeah, we're faking it. Okay, she haven't you know that. You know that. But we're super excited. I bet we're going to be right about all those things. I think we're going to be dead on plus and then some dead on. Here's what here's what I look forward to. Finn

pass. Tell me. This is in the can I just tell a very quick story? I wish everyone could see you plucking out of the air. Here's what if I could just motion I'm I'm I'm putting my hand up as if George is trying to talk over me, which she is not. That's the kind of household I was raised in. It's like you're plucking. It's like you're plucking a decision out of the air. Here's the thing. Okay, there's the one I love it. Love it. My favorite moment and there were many great moments from our mini West Coast tour. Yeah, my favorite moment did happen. We're not making this this that part's real. And this is in us doing a hilarious bit about touring. One night when we were in Vancouver, we got back to the hotel and somebody was like come down to the bar and meet

us there. And we had to like do some travel thing. Right. But we had a couple things to do. Yeah. Yeah. But Georgia was like, you need to go down to that bar and like hang out. And I was like, I do. And then you you so enthusiastically with the biggest eyes you go, I will totally be your wingman. And it was like, that's the memory that keeps coming back to me from that weekend is Georgia was just like, give me the chance to wingman because you will be blown out by me wingman. No, I'm terrible at it. Like, I'm so embarrassed. Like I'm your mom is just like, have you met my friend, Karen? And then I said, then you're like, do you want to go to the bar? I'm like, no, I don't want to go at all. But I'll go with you if you need me to. That's exactly right. That's

the part that I appreciated because friends do I didn't want to go either. But your and we didn't go. This is the part that the big reveal is that of course I didn't go. I never go anywhere. Neither of us wanted to go anywhere. But I wanted to conceptually because the person that asked us there was a very appealing individual. Yep. But Georgia's like, basically, like, I will try to help you. It was like you were a paramedic. You were just like, right, I will totally wingman. Well, it's not like I think you need me to fucking, you know, to fucking fuck, but like but it was just this like, I understand not wanting to walk in a bar with a bunch of fucking strangers alone. Imagine walking in alone and you don't drink. It's not like that's the other

thing too is like, exactly. I wouldn't care. I'd go to the bar alone and order fucking drink. Yes. But you don't like that just sounds like hi, I'm standing here. Hi, I'm just standing. I might, it might as well be do you want to go downstairs in your underpants and just be like, I, you know what? I really would not like to at all, but I should. It would be really brave of me and it's like you going, I'll hold your hand and I also won't wear pants. Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. The offer still stands. I mean, not for that particular. It's too late in the future. I really dropped the ball on that one and it was kind of a big, it was a big ball. Sorry. I want to do better, but it's, it's just nice to know you're willing to wingman for me, even though

you hate it. I love it because it's just, I have no stakes. You know what I mean? It's pretty great. You're kind of up on that. And I think you're better than me is really what it is. I want to say that I stole, I think you, you think you're better than me from Jesse pop. It's a total Jesse pop line. Yeah. So I don't think he listens to this podcast, but he does. He should. He's totally into true crime. Okay. I bet he does. He just would never say anything to us because that's how he is. Hi, Jesse pop. We know you're listening. We know you're listening would never say, Hey, I like your podcast. And so you know what? Since you don't say that to us, we're going to steal all your jokes. So right now we're starting at, we're stealing it. I think you think you're

better than me. You think you're better than me? Just get ready for all your other stuff to get stolen. All right. Anyhow. All right. Here's a hometown murder from a girl named Annie. Hi. Hey, Annie. You guys are the best. I have a deep admiration for your work. Oh, sounds like work. Work is a bit generous from your mouth. I should say your humor and the murdering community you fostered. Oh, agreed. I agree with that. I have to admit, I only have just discovered your podcast. So I'm not sure if the story has already been shared. I grew up in a suburb just outside of Boston called, here we go. Wellesley. Wellesley. Wellesley. Wellesley. Wellesley. Wellesley. Welles, no. There's an extra E in there. But there's a college called Wellesley that is pronounced

Wellesley. It's W-E-L-L-E-S. Welles. Lee. L-E-Y. We're never going to, it's like we have really good reading skills. Like we can read just fine. I love, I read all the time. I read a lot and I've never doubted myself more. Well, I have this real quick when I was in like fourth grade, third grade, really young. I was really into reading and I had a book that I'd already read like three times, James and the Giant Peach. And my fucking cunt of a teacher grabbed it from my hands and said, you can't read this. Like, you don't know, this is too old for you. Read this line in front of the whole class. And I like couldn't pronounce a word because I was a kid. But in the fucking, in the sentence, I understand what that word is. What kind of teacher closed it in my face.

So lost my fucking place. Wait, that's not teaching. I'm sorry. Can I shout out her name? She's probably dead. I was the worst teacher in all of California. She was horrified. I will tell you right now that Laura Kogarev, teacher of plus 25 years in the Nevada school district, would ring that woman's neck. I look back and I'm like, yeah. It's simply not how it's done. That's like saying I'm, here's my teaching method. I'm going to scar children around words. So then when they have a fucking successful podcast when they're older, they're going to freak the fuck out whenever they see a word that doesn't look. Yeah, it's a setup. This whole thing is a setup. I think me saying I'm wrong and not giving a shit and saying not saying this even edit that out.

It's because fuck you miss blank blank. Oh, miss blank. You had miss blank blank for reading. I want to say her name so bad. Okay. Sorry. That was sidebar nation. It's where we live. So Wellesley, where the college is. Listen, it's an old small and affluent town, probably very close to whatever image you've conjured in your mind. Ivy. Yeah. I need bricks. Great. Leagues. Oh, my God. Even as an adolescent, I was definitely aware of the pressure for adults to attain and maintain status. A huge part of the status was proof was providing for and protecting your family. Oh, what fucking boring town. The town was on the in the evening. That was me. Like, oh, like striving to protect your

take care of your family. Sorry. I'm sorry. The town was so quote safe that a favorite stoned activity of high school students was reading the police blotter and laughing at the ridiculous complaints uniformed. Ununiformed officers were called in on and so safe. We had to read the police blotter while high to actually feel like we were getting away with something that's called privilege. The town in the town is upon lined with walking paths Halloween morning 1999. A middle aged woman is found dead along one of these paths. She had been stabbed so many times she was nearly decapitated. Her husband had discovered her body. According to him, she had stopped to sit on a bench because her back was hurting while he finished a lap around

the pond with their dog. Her husband was a well known doctor. Where is this going? I had never heard of him before, but had several friends who had been in his care at one time or another. He was obviously suspected in her death. I remember the confusion this caused for so many people who knew him and stuck out for him, particularly his own adult children. Unfortunately for his friends and family as the investigation unfolded, his guilt seemed pretty imminent. The police uncovered his secret identity, discovered he hired, I'm going to change this word to sex workers on many occasions and spent a substantial amount of his money on a phone sex line. Wow. I hear they're very addictive. Right. It's fun to talk on the phone. Yeah.

Hey, girl. Hey. Hey, what's up? Tell me what you're wearing. You know you're being bad. Yeah. You know it's so expensive. Like what did Jesus tell you to wear it today? So there's something. They don't bring him into it. There are also many rumors he had another family in another state although I'm not sure if this ever verified. Okay. The story sticks in my mind for many reasons. But the moment I became a true murderer and I was a couple years after the doctor's conviction, the detectives from this case gave a presentation on the evidence and obviously I was in attendance. It's awesome. They played us a 911 tapes in which the doctor screams about the discovery of his wife's body. The police may note that as soon as the operator tells

the frantic man to calm down, he actually does suspicious. The doctor did have blood on his clothes, but this was consistent with him rushing to her body and attempting to revive her. Gloves in a knife were found on a drain pipe a quarter mile from the scene. At first they couldn't prove that the gloves belonged to the doctor, but a very detail-oriented person noticed that the blood spatter on the doctor's glasses, which had been taken into evidence, was not actually a random splatter pattern. The gloves had those little rubber dots for grips and this is exactly matched the pattern on the corner of one of his lenses. Yes. I remember this is either a 2020 or a forensic files. That to me is the most convincing part of it. Yes. Amazing. It's like

a double fingerprint. Yeah. Like the blood spatter, I'm like, well, they don't believe that as much anymore. But that's like a shoe print on your glasses. It's your own. That's like if your glasses could take pictures. Yes. You know what I mean? Yep. And that's coming someday soon. Oh, you know it is. Yeah. They're, okay, too many sidebars. Thus, the doctor was wearing these bloody gloves and likely straightened his askew glasses after stabbing his wife of 35 years to death. Fuck! How many times was she stabbed? Like 40? 35. Wait, no, no, no. That's how many years they were married. One for every year. Something like 40. Yeah. Horrible. That would be fucking. That's fucked up. Yep. Another anecdote is that several years after this incident,

Pastor Byes found a large amount of bloody human tissue in the same pond. They immediately called the police and the town went to a frenzy again, worried that the spot was a hot new murder site or dump or body dump. A very embarrassed young couple, new to the town, had come forward and claimed their and claimed their after birth, which they had ceremoniously floated into the pond after a home birth. Oh my God. You weirdo hippies. We were going to have Marge and Dave over for dinner on Friday night, but did you read the paper? We're just going to cancel. What? They're giving their after birth like a Viking funeral. What do you do? Get away from the pond. Take care of your newborn baby. Yes. Focus on other births besides the after. Ew. It's so weird. Meanwhile,

a family's like swimming on the side. Oh my God. This pond's not big enough for the whole town. I wasn't going to read that part because this part is so long, but I'm so glad that I did. I didn't know what it was. That is horrifying. The town has been totally traumatized. Yeah. And then these goofballs go down of like, no, we wanted to celebrate the amniotic sack. Yeah. What? I mean, it was it was part of our child's life for nine months and we wanted to give it a proper. Why don't you instead? Why don't every full diaper that you pull off that baby? Why don't you burn that in your barbecue? I have two words. Garbage disposal. Just get rid of it. And then a little squeeze of lemon after. Just clean it out.

Wait, let me just want to acknowledge that this idea of, quote, safety I was mocking in the beginning, especially with intersecting with privileges in many ways and illusion and definitely it means for efficient scapegoating. Keep up the good work. My sincerest thanks to both of you, Annie. Annie, that is so true. What a good point at the end. That's it. That's it. It's people, privileged people like to pretend that their money means that they are immune from horrible things and horrible people or they're immune to punishment. Yes. For doing horrible things. That's right. Sometimes it's true, unfortunately, but right. That is very true. But I think the way the attention is becoming more and more paid to all these kinds of things. How many doctor 2020s are there where

the doctor's like, I just decided I didn't want that old wife anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, he was having an affair. Shocking. Oh, he had a whole nother secret family and wife in a different state. How amazing. Oh, he thought he could get away with that. Yeah, right. He's smarter than everybody. Yeah. Okay. Kidious. Looking for a better cooking routine? With meal planning, shopping and prepping handled. Hello Fresh has you covered. Hello Fresh makes home cooking easy and affordable so you can stay on track and on budget in the new year. Hello Fresh meals are convenient, seasonal and delicious. Stay cozy all winter long with classic comfort foods available weekly. Why stop with just dinner? Now you can enjoy Hello Fresh's expanded menu of quick

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Amazon Music exclusive podcast Killer Psyche Daily in the Amazon Music app. Download the app today. All right, ready? Always. This one, the subject line is accident or murder, a nautical murder. Fun. Hi Karen and Georgia, I absolutely love your podcast and listen to it every day on my way to work. It makes the commute much better. I used to listen to other true crime podcasts but always got too freaked out to fall asleep so your blend of humor and true crime makes me laugh every time and then feel bad about laughing at murder but then I can't stop laughing anyway. It's a vicious cycle. Yeah, we understand. I'm writing to tell you about a death that took place at my middle school a few years before I started there but it was all people, but it was all people

talked about for ages because of how controversial the story is. This is the story of Shelley Tyre and the circumstances surrounding her death. I graduated from a small prep school just south of Boston. It's known for being a bit of a jock school as a lot of my fellow classmates were recruited to play sports in college. I was definitely not one of them. Back in 1999, the principal of the middle school, Shelley Tyre, went on vacation with her husband, Davis Swain to Tortola. I don't know where that is. Where all the tortoises are. She died in a scuba diving accident. She and Swain had split up, split from the group and done a solo dive where there was a malfunction with her equipment and she died. Very tragic but what was later

discovered was that after they found her body that her mask had clearly been tampered with causing her inevitable death. Authorities found her snorkel missing and her mouthpiece damaged, believed that someone had ripped them from her face mid dive. There's a lot that's pretty fucked up about her death. It was later revealed that Swain had abandoned Tyre on their dive, which I guess if you're an avid scuba diver, which Swain was, you know you're never supposed to abandon someone on a dive and you are always supposed to stay with your buddy. So when you look at the facts, how he left her mid dive and her mask had malfunctioned, it just doesn't look so good for him. Here's some more facts. He had made a lot less money than she did and had sunk all of his

money into a dive shop that failed shortly after they got married. He signed a prenup that stated he would get nothing if they divorced. After Tyre's death, he inherited $600,000 from her estate, which he began spending lavishly, even started dating. Though immediately after her death, he was shaken. People soon started to describe him as quote unquote too happy or that he had a lack of emotion. A lot of teachers at my school spoke up against him saying that they were disturbed by the way that he acted after her death. Tyre's family charged him with her murder and they went to court with it where if convicted, he would have been sent to jail for 25 years to life. He was sentenced, but in 2009, his conviction was overturned and Swain is still around and even does

interviews. There is a 40 hour special on it and even a lifetime movie on the whole case, which is how you know you've made it. It's really interesting and tragic and it's still talked about. Mrs. Tyre was super loved and is very missed and her husband is a super scumbag. Thank you so much for making my days better with your podcast, Astexy Jules. That's fascinating. So he basically did get it. If he did it, alleged he allegedly got away with alleged murder. I mean, I just don't know what kind of damage would pulling a face mask or a scuba mask do to it. You know what I mean? It would make you drown. Yeah, but like would the mask be that damaged? Oh, well, maybe he pulled it so that like one of the plastic things on the side tore

or something, because you would, it would have really good section if you were like, if it was underwater, you'd really have to rip it off. That's a good point. It wouldn't just come right off. It's such a bizarre, risky place to be like that. And that's not even scuba diving, scuba diving, you're underwater. Yeah. And there's all these like gate checks you have to take. And like, yeah, you have to be able to make sure that like the reason people know like if their air is low or oxygen or whatever the hell it is, is like because the other person's there, all that shits on your back. I'm never going to do it. And I'm fine with that. It's very high risk. I'm not doing it. I'm good. I'm good. I go to an aquarium. You know what I mean? Same dip, but you get to keep your

outfit on. And yeah, you get wet. Yep. Yeah, no. You go to lunch right after, you know, there's no drying off. No, there's probably corn dogs at the fucking aquarium. I mean, that's where you find out your husband doesn't love you underwater on vacation. How horrible. Up until that point, she's like, this has been the best marriage. That was the saddest one you've ever said. Yeah. Sorry. Oh, so surprising. Honey. Honey. Do we do, should I do a short one? Sure. And then this one seems depressing. So I might not do it. Let's see here. Okay. Happy New Year and my favorite murder, which shows how long ago. Okay. Hi, Georgia and Karen. Hi. Hi. I only recently started listening to your podcast. Everyone says

that. It's so funny. And I just wanted to say thanks for being alive and talking about murder. Thank you. I am only on episode eight. So I don't know if you've already talked about the preppy murder of 1986 in NYC. Oh, girl or guy. You guessed right. We sure did. Jennifer, girl or guy. We absolutely did. But I think this chick has a connection. Okay. Robert Chambers killed Jennifer Levin early one morning in Central Park. And what prosecutors said was a violent rape. And Chambers always insisted it was fucking goddamn consensual rough sex. Piece of shit. This is my favorite murder because Jennifer Levin is my name too. And I first spent time in NYC that very summer when I was 12 right after my parents divorced. That first summer I watched the news a lot and was

confused in many ways. I was it wasn't the first time I'd seen the same name as someone else. Growing up, my name is so common in the suburbs of Chicago that two different libraries revoked my library card for overdue fines that weren't mine. And I got calls asking me to homecoming and prom that were intended for the other the older Jennifer Levin who lived down the street. Oh, to be like the you get to be in the hot Jennifer Levin group. Yeah. Well done older Jennifer Levin. Yeah. That you're like us to everyone. Yeah. Let's see how that plays out. Just keep saying yes. Show up the night. I'm like in the bushes. That's right. What's gonna happen? Pick that one. Pick the hesher.

Pick the rocker. Pick the rocker. I was confused about Jennifer's murder. Like I wasn't sure sometimes if they were talking about me and if I were alive or dead. Yes, my childhood was a crime scene. And this is a natural result of things I won't go into here. What? Okay, for two or three substance just going through some shit. Yeah, clearly. Yeah, she must have lived in a fucking funeral home or something for two or three subsequent summers. The preppy murder was still very much a hot topic. And this was when things got strange. Some boys in my dad's Bronx neighborhood with whom I with Elvis. All right, here we go. Okay. All right. That was Elvis, everyone. Okay. Some boys in my dad's Bronx neighborhood with whom I had a falling out

with hide behind cars and whisper, Jennifer Levin is dead in the dark when I passed by Jesus. Yeah, it's chill. Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, boys at the Tony day camp I worked at who went to York Prep where chambers went to high school or especially interested and were always asking me out and saying I had to make out with them because of kismet. When I would go back home to Illinois in the fall and write letters to friends in New York, their parents would get mad at them for having a friend who put gruesome fake names on the return address. I played into all of this. I played into all of this somewhat the summer of somewhat in the summer I was 14. Though the offers of making out with York prep guys were scary until someone who knew someone

who who knew her told me she was a real person and my behavior was offensive. But no one was reprimanded, but no one reprimanded the boys trying to make out with me or hissing at me from behind cars. I had to remind him that so was I and it was my name too. Don't totally understand that paragraph. Vanity Googling is a trip. This name and story have followed me my whole life and that's and that and that light and likely that of all the other Jennifer Levens. It is a very common name, Jennifer Leven. Sincerely, Jennifer Leven. That's kind of a big thing to go through when you're 14 though because 14 is the worst age and you think you you think you know what's going on and you have no goddamn clue what's

going on. So and you think you're the center of the universe and you kind of like I know this might be silly but like I identify other girls named Georgia. I meet so few of them that I'm always like oh we have this like crazy thing in common. So to know another girl who was brutally murdered. Well and also that's when you're that's that age where you're kind of like I don't know who I am or I don't know what I want to be so I'm going to try on all these hats. So then to have this thing constantly brought up to you of like you you have the same name as a murdered girl. It just brings yeah there's just a lot of drama that there's already tons of drama there. It's not like you need anymore when you're 14. Totally. I mean that that's how it was with me when I was

constantly told that I look like Natalie from facts of life. What? All yes from when I was like 11 years old till it happens. Does she had fucking cheekbones that could cut up? She does actually. I mean to come. Good for her. Um anyway. So do you identify with okay. Oh sorry what? So do you identify with Natalie from the facts of life? I did actually. I loved that show. Yeah it was great. Um she was the funny one. All right final one a whack murder story. Karen and Georgia huge fan huge fan. So technically this isn't a hometown murder story because you already talked about the one bad thing that ever happened in Minnesota which was Jacob Wetterling in your first episode. I dare to disagree with that. The one bad thing in Minnesota. Yeah. I guess what there's some pretty

bad things that have happened there. But the following story happened to one of my sister's classmates in NYC. What if this was about Jennifer Levin again? But the one that wrote the email. Then that'd be Steven's fault because you picked these for us. Um everything Steven's fault. So it was probably two or three a.m. and this girl college age gets on the subway sitting on the end of the subway car are two shady looking thugs and the middle is a middle-aged couple and who look like they could be your mom and dad. I think if this goes the way I think it's going to go this is a creepypasta but let's find out. Oh. Um clearly they're the murderers. So she goes and sits across from the couple and they look tired and the man has his arm around the woman

as the ride goes on. She notices that the woman is staring at her like and at first she's just like okay whatever but after she doesn't stop staring the girl says something like what's up can I help you and the man says sorry she's super tired and so our girl is just like sure whatever but the lady doesn't stop staring. This isn't real. This is from someone who is 14. When the train comes to a stop I've honestly read this on creepypasta forums. Yes when the train comes to a stop but it's totally worth it. One of the shady dudes from the end of the car runs grabs our girl throws her off the train runs off behind her the door closes and our girl is obviously like what the hell man and he goes I am an undercover cop that man on the train just killed his wife

and was holding her up with his arm. Wait what? The woman that was staring at her was dead. God I knew that. Oh I see. Like who got thrown off the wire in the wire? The girl it happened to. So never judge a thug by its. Thugs are sometimes thugs are cops. Yeah the normal looking guys are sometimes the meanest. These are the details I know and I want to know so much more. Okay well guess what Rosemary here's what you need to know that was written by a 15 year old who was a very good creative writer but I've read it on several creepypasta forums and although it is a fun story the one that I read was that there was a girl sitting between two cop looking guys who looked safe and then there was a girl between them who looked passed out right and so she was staying

near like the bodyguard looking guys because the thugs which is also a commentary about race in America racist to say it's well but that's kind of the whole lesson and then it's like oh but you thought the thugs but then that guy they had a dead body on the subway which is like the first what place you'd go if you had a dead teen girl body is straight down to the L train carrier on the subway get down there get a token for her get one for yourself sit down in public and carry her to the fucking side carry her down the stairs just carry her on down nobody's noticed no if you if there's a way that you could tie her legs to your legs that would be great so it'll just cover it a little bit better oh my god I mean come on Steven

Steven must have grown up with creepypasta beautiful that's amazing well that's fun I mean that we're looking for that too rosemary we appreciate your input either way if you believe it send it hell yes because that's fun but if you're like here's a creepypasta the girls won't the girls will let you know me send us one if you believe I don't know you got to be a believer yeah no that's clearly sincere because she was just like this is fucked isn't this crazy you guys love fucked up that's great that's like uh that's like the well we've talked about this urban urban legends that you hear over and over again where it's like there's always something like and the guide said down girl and it's Lionel Richie and fucking or Stevie wonder you ever hear that no

that's the one that I repeated knowing it was a lie I was like on board and tell this fucking weird train of Lionel Richie happen there's an urban legend strand and it's all different very famous black performers so what the I think the original was like Stevie wonder with a guide dog in an elevator it's the when you like think about it it makes absolutely no sense we're like a woman got into an elevator with Stevie wonder didn't know it was him had had a guide dog at some point the elevator door closed he says down lady she hits the ground and then he's like no no I was talking to my dog oh yeah so it's a version of that where it's just like people assume people the I'm scared of a black man construct construct around storytelling right

which is very I would say 1987 and look how wrong I was you know yeah like uh huh yeah fuck yeah mother fuck I mean urban legends that's what that's what uh people repeat things because they it's a good story they like the sound of a good story and also a lesson right the lesson is how dare you judge a person I think they want the lesson to be like how dare you judge a person right okay uh you me Georgia stop fucking judging everyone stop it I am just yeah judge mentalist shit you are I know um this has been clearly a mini so this is the longest mini soda ball time I don't think it is though that's the funny thing is it not feels like forever Stephen it's been 30 minutes oh a little longer than normal yeah okay you're welcome is that true

yeah it's true okay um cut out the middle uh just the whole middle I don't know what that means thanks for thank you thank you thanks for sending your stuff in we love to read it we do um yeah thank you and stay sexy and don't get murdered Elvis you want a mini cookie okay bye