My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - MFM Minisode 21

Episode Date: March 13, 2017

From the shores of a lake at the bottom of the ocean, it's a My Favorite Murder minisode! This week Karen and Georgia read your hometown murders including a neighbor with cannibalistic intentions, the Wesson Massacre, and a near miss while peeing in the woods.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We at Wondery live, breathe and downright obsess over true crime and now we're launching the ultimate true crime fan experience, Exhibit C. Join now by following Wondery, Exhibit C on Facebook and listen to true crime on Wondery and Amazon Music, Exhibit C. It's truly criminal. We hate your talking. Welcome to my favorite Minnesota murder podcast where the things are stuff and the stuff is things. Every day in the best way you can for your family. Always and forever, amen. Amen, Jesus. Elvis is so bored with us. Elvis is clearly an agnostic and I respect him for that. Yeah. I mean, he's not even not sure. He's like 100% sure. He knows exactly how things are. It's the great, it's really kind of the pride of the agnostics is

just absolutely being positive that in this world of mystery and anywhere, anything is possible. They absolutely know for a fact there's no such there's nothing as possible and there is no mystery. Yep. And also go fuck yourself and go fuck yourself. Meanwhile, did you know that they discovered a lake at the bottom of the ocean? Is it like a salty lake? I think so. Where shit like dies in there and it's like a different consistency of the water. It has it actually like water laps up onto the sand and makes like, did you see that over? Yes. I don't know if it was that specific one, but like a couple months ago, I saw one that was like a salt lake at the bottom of the ocean. If like, and like there were all these like dead crabs and stuff at the like lip. Yeah.

Because they'd be like, doot, doot, doot. Water is water. And then they'd fucking die. And they're like, nope. Nope. Water is actually a bunch of salt. Water, water isn't water. You know what I mean? Well, what's under there? Now, let's, if there's a lake at the bottom of the ocean, what's at the bottom of that lake? Next to the crab bottom. Creatures. Treasure? Treasure and creatures. There's a creature that holds it back so treasure. It is what's it called when it's like trying to not let anyone near the treasure. Hoarding, is it hoarding? It's hoarding, but it's also protecting. Oh, sure. So it's like a dragon. It's like a dragon. At the bottom of the lake. Dragon creature. Who is this? This is the worst podcast we've ever done. Hands down. Do you know that, um, did you

see the, there's like a, there's a whole conversation on the Facebook group of people being like, I thought, what did you think Elvis was when you first heard him? Because I guess in the very beginning and the whole podcast, we've never been like Elvis and Mimi are cats. Oh, that's never been stated explicitly. Never been stated. I, because I'm like, yeah, those are my, like my life. Yes. You, and you have called them babies before my babies. And like, so, and then he sounds like a goat. Yes. Or a baby crying. Yes. But not really a cat. No, he actually is not that cat. Like, no, I feel like unless you, and a lot of people said this, like, unless you have, have had a Siamese, you don't understand what that, that's what that was. Yeah. Because there,

it is like, when you say the magic question, I won't say his answer does sound like words a little bit. Yeah. He's like, yes. It's feeling, I'm like, fuck, yeah. Like, what the fuck kind of stupid question is that? Why haven't you asked me earlier? Right. All the questions you ask me. And, and, and a parrot. Another one was a parrot. But I think the goat, I think that people are most right on with the goat idea. Goat was a real thing. Goat. People thought we had like a little billy goat in your house. Like their pets. Is it like, that's one thing. It's like, if I actually had that and wasn't like Elvis the goat, instead of like, that'd be super weird. Who would I, I'd be crazy. You would be, if we had a baby sitting next to us this whole time, like whenever we were

podcasting. And you're never necessarily like concerned about the baby until the end of your podcast. And someone was like, I just thought maybe they shook it to the end. They're all lying. Hey, no. Hey, this is my favorite word. Hey, that's Georgia Hardstark and her baby Elvis. That's Karen kill. Gareth and her goat and my goat. Stephen. Stephen was a person. Oh my god. No, you idiot. I guess we've never mentioned this. Stephen's a cold. With a mustache. The goldfish's name is mustache. Oh, you know what? This we're going straight into our animated series where you and I solve crimes with the goldfish, but the mustache that we carry around in a gold in a goldfish bowl and it keeps like sloshing all over, which is mean we feed goldfish

the cracker. That's our sponsor. But if what if Stephen was a crab with a and the barnacle was named mustache and barnacle and he so that's two characters and he can't go in at Salt Lake at the bottom of it. He's comes from the Salt Lake. Listen, every now I'm hearing you and I'm following up with and then every episode we're one step closer to the Salt Lake and Stephen's like, we can't go that way. And we're like, what do you do? What's wrong? We have to go back. And we're like, no, we can't go back. No, we can't. We need the treasure. I got real weird. This is well, sorry, we're both on PCP. We should have mentioned that this is the PCP episode. I might be getting sick. It's possible. Apparently it's not cold, but I'm fucking freezing my ass off.

I walked into this apartment. It was hot, hot, hot. Are you serious? Georgia was laying on the couch. I'm sorry of my reaction. I got very triggered. Georgia was laying on the couch on the couch, not the couch in a house dress with the blanket up and it immediately hurt. She looked sick and that made me mad for some reason. You said, why are we doing this? I have a real, my family is so psychotic. If you are laying down or in pajamas past eight, everyone goes crazy. Oh, they would fucking just hate me. That's my life. It's so, but I thought I didn't have it because I, please, I slap around all day long, but like, I can't have you doing it. You were like, it wasn't even like, why are we doing this, honey? Like, are you okay? It was, why are we doing this?

You had your, well, you know what bothered me was I was hot from walking because I walked from kind of down the street. Oh, I'm going to get a new parking spot. No, no, no. I don't have a car, remember? Fuck, I forgot about that. I was just walking. It was nice actually to take a nice walk, but when I got in, the heater was blowing right near the front door. So I was like, it's like 80 degrees in here. And then I looked over and you looked like you were from a cold commercial. We were like, yeah, I'm free. You, uh, it sounded like we were like husband and wife had married for 20 years and we were like both so unhappy. And it's like, at the end of a final fight, why are we doing this? I'm sorry, escalated it so quickly. My father had melanoma. He had

chemotherapy three times a week. And he still got up every day and put clothes on. Even if he went back and just laid on the top of the blanket, he got up every day and put his clothes on. That's where I'm coming from. It's like pajamas are an emergency. But house dresses aren't pajamas, right? Well, I need to make that clarification with you and I need to just update myself. I need you to know too that I have a really big issue with house clothes in the in, I mean, sorry, outside clothes in the house, because you sit down in public places and like, who knows who's been doing what on those seats? Yes. And then you come in. Like the minute I come in my house, I walk to my closet and put on a house dress, but like cute, like this is cute.

It's very cute. It's a good color. It's a vintage calf tan. Yeah. But I just, I can't, I can't, so I wouldn't wear clothes. Okay, I'm not sick yet. Okay, good. I can't have you be sick. I don't feel sick. I'd breathe all over you if I was. No, but I mean, it goes be, I just didn't, it's something I'm going to have to take back to the therapist caretaker is what you're saying. You have caretaker issues. I have sickness. You can't be flat on a couch while I'm around. I don't want to be around you if you're flat on the ultimate of like, we're close is like the fact that I can lay on a couch with Steven here and you and like my, my like happiest place is laying on a couch, tucking my feet under whoever is there. It's like my happy place. Like my feet

tucked under you. Sure. Oh my God. It's so comforting to me. That's so snuggly of you. It's so cute and like warm, but you're just like, get up. I feel like now that we've talked it through, I'm going to be better. We have the opposite of things. So that's a lot of time. A lot of time. That's what this podcast is called. The opposite of things. Hey, this whole thing is supposed to be about your hometown murders. And so because of that, we've talked for 15 minutes about my personal problems with when people look sick. Why are we doing this? This is therapy. I mean, we both had therapy today. Actual fucking paid for. I literally just came from therapy. That's probably why I was like ground all the way down. Oh, and I came and I left for therapy this morning

after we hung out. Dude. All right. Go. Okay. Hometowns. You guys email them to us. Now let's do a hard left turn into murder. We ignore them. Okay. Here's the first one. Stephen Ray Morris picked out for us. Oh, I was going to read from the top of your email. Hey, hi. Here's the hometowns for tonight. Okay. This one, the subject line is you'll never guess what my neighbor did with six exclamation points after I'm in. Yeah. I love a good neighbor. Anything. Sure. Cause you're stuck next to them. Oh, ready? Yeah. Dear Karen and Georgia. Hello, my loves. Good start. My name is May. Oh, cute. And I'm a newish listener to your incredible podcast. I've spent the last couple of weeks pouring over everything you've posted and have commented and have recommended you to my

lovely mother, who's the reason why I'm obsessed with true crime in the first place. She also thinks you're great. This is really going well. This email. I was just adding shit in that. She never wrote any of that. Stephen knows us. I think that they need a little, they need a little boost at the top. Yeah. They've been seeming sad lately. Georgia's been sick and Karen's been enraged. Let me write something at the top that'll make them feel better. Okay. I was thinking I didn't have anything interesting to send you, but then I remembered the saga from my second year of university. We're dealing with a foreigner here. Yep, we are. I have no problem with you saying my name and the city by the way, because people should be able to Google this dickhead. Okay,

fun. I was studying in a city in England called Canterbury. I love when English things are called things. Yes. They're not like name. She's called Karen. Yes. They don't. Yeah, go on. Called Canterbury, which was very quaint and lovely and also very boring. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I know because I read the Canterbury Tales freshman year and it was a serious news fest. Fucking a rooster telling everybody what to do. Okay, calm down. We brister. Not you. Easy rooster. Easy. Calm down because you love the Canterbury Tales so much. Okay. We lived in a pretty suburban area and on the same road as a graveyard quote in parentheses, this is important. Okay. One day my housemate burst in the front door crying and yelling about

our neighbor Dale and it took us ages to calm her down. Dale was an older guy and was always very nice and never complained about us being loud student types. We weren't best friends with him or anything, but we knew him to say hello to. He was always, he always stood in the front garden and we would always stop and do the standard nice weather exchange. I just picture him standing in the garden. It gave me like the chills of him just standing in the garden. Not doing anything. He's dead. In all caps. So it fucking turns out Dale had been arrested and was in all the papers for plotting to kill and eat a woman. Oh no. He was on cannibal message boards. What? There's a cannibal message board. I feel like we shouldn't tell everyone that.

Oh, but the cannibal cop, that's how the cannibal cop got caught. Oh, right. Yeah. They've been around. People know about the dark web. He was on cannibal message boards boasting about all these people he'd killed and eaten. There was a Chinese restaurant a few streets over from us and he'd become obsessed with the woman who worked in there. Oh no. He was telling people on all these sites that he was going to cut off her head and eat her. And when the police raided his house, they found all caps, the acts he'd bought to do the job with. Oh God. Thank fucking God, the FBI were able to track him down. And so the police over here shut his shit down. He'd been saying online that he was stealing bodies from the graveyard. So that all had to be

investigated, but turns out he's probably lying about that. They also pretty much dug out his entire garden that we always stood in to chat with him. And the bottom floor of his house, but as far as I remember, they didn't actually find anything. But I mean, I mean, just because they didn't find anything doesn't make it any less terrifying. They took, they also took his computer and found child porn and loads of other horrific incriminating shit. So they were able to prosecute him. He was jailed in 2014 for nine years. And hopefully he pops his clogs before he can get out because he's a dirty bastard. Pops his clogs, you dirty bastard. Once again, love both you loads. Stay sexy May.

How disgusting and creepy do you have to be to creep people out enough to call the cops on you on a fucking cannibal message board? Cause you know, that's who fucking told on him. Yes. Like people are like, I'm on a cannibal message board because I like to talk about, Oh God, this guy's a fucking creep. Like that's what happened. He's the creepiest of the cannibal message board. Like you're fucked up. You're like, look, we're all here to talk about eating people, but we're not doing what you're doing. Dale, but you're scaring us a little. You're a dirty bastard. Dale. Dale. Dale. Okay. May, that was lovely. Thank you.

Yeah, you nailed it. May. Let's see this one. I'm going to, there's a funny one. I mean, okay, I'm going to save that one. This one is called unsolved small town murder. Stephen, it's almost like, you know, I love these. Hmm. All right. Stephen got all shy. Hi, ladies. I love your podcast. It really helps me get through my dark. Nope. My day at work. I was writing into that about my day at work. No, I'm pretty sure my coworkers think I'm insane. Yay. My favorite murder is also kind of my hometown murder. I don't get to talk about it ever as it is a very sensitive topic that

involves the murder of a 15 year old girl. I live in a small town in rural Alberta, Canada, and this crime took place in the neighboring town of standard. Standard is quite small and close knit. Current population is 303, I mean, 353. Jesus, I think that's how many people went to my high school. Like total or total. Yeah, it was small. But I mean, we weren't, we weren't a town. No. Yeah, that's a high school town. That's like your town. Could you imagine a town full of high school students at that nightmare? No, no, no. This is our new horror movie. Copyright, recording copyright, don't try to steal this. But look, here's it. So we're on a bus, right? We're in a van. Yeah. Breaks. You're there to see it. Breaks down at the edge of town.

We get out, we have to walk. We get in. Oh, everything's closed. Yeah. Because they're all drinking in the 7-Eleven parking lot, the whole town. And Stephen has to like communicate with them for us because he's closer in age than we don't understand their language. I have no idea what's going on. He's our translator because they're just talking in memes and fucking LOLs. What are they called? Stephen. Oh man, I'm so here for this. I'll do my best. Thank you. I just keep yelling Rihanna at the top of my lungs. What's that? Rihanna. Oh. You know, to try to relate. And I just keep going LOL, LOL, LOL. And then it turns out we're the killers. We're the, and then we murdered all of them. Yeah. Anywho, 353, the kind of place where everyone knows

everyone and some people still don't lock their doors because they're fucking Indian. Something I know you'll take with an issue with. It's like you know me. You're getting predictable. I am getting predictable. On April 22nd, 1981, Kelly Cook, a 15-year-old resident of Standard, Alberta, received a phone call asking her to babysit that evening. I think I fucking know this one. A man calling gave his name as Bill Christensen, a very common last name in the area because they were all related. I don't know. Just saying. He arranged to pick her up that evening. She left the house at 8.30 p.m. and got into a full-size car. She was never seen alive again. Her mother knew something was wrong within the hour when Kelly did not call it a check-in,

as was normal. She started calling everyone she knew to ask if they'd seen Kelly. And when that failed, she called the police. At 10 p.m., a call was made to the operator from a pay phone, 15 miles. Oh, my God. He wrote 25 kilometers and then he wrote 15 miles also because he knows, clearly knows me. No, wait, she, never mind. She clearly knows me. From Standard in another neighboring town, the operator said that all they heard was a young woman screaming before the call was disconnected. This was believed to be Kelly, extensive searching in the days following proved fruitless. Her body was found two months later, about 155 miles south of Standard in a reservoir. She had been tied to cinder blocks and tossed in the lake. Her body was so

decomposed that they could not determine an official cause of death. They believe the perpetrator was a local or lived in the area based on his knowledge of common names and geography of the area. The police believe that Kelly was not the original target. A couple months prior to this, another young woman had her picture run in the local paper. After that, a man called the Standard School District school, trying to get more information on this girl. The principal refused to tell him anything. He somehow got her information and called her that day, April 22nd to that day, the same fucking day, to ask her to babysit, but she was already busy. She gave him Kelly's number, not knowing this would lead to her friend's death. Holy, oh, man. She referred, despite this case

being so old, the police still get a couple tips every year, but so far no one has been caught. There are a few theories that paint this man as a traveling salesman or someone just passing through. He may have been traveling to the states, and that's why her body was found so far south. No other cases with similar MO had, have ever been reported in the area. This man would be in his 70s or 80s now. This case really sticks with me, and every time I hear a possible new evidence, I get excited. I can't handle the suspense of an unsolved murder. Hope you ladies enjoyed my hometown murder. Stay sexy, Miranda. That is amazing and so creepy. So tragic. Just that idea it's, that it's so easy to weedle information out of people. For sure. Horrifying. For sure.

But then also it's that thing of like, somebody getting a babysitting job, like, I bet you was her name Kelly, the girl that went missing. Yeah. The second girl, like that, not the refer, but the actual, oh wait, the girl who was, yeah, Kelly was like, I bet Kelly was the girl who actually went missing. Yeah. Yeah. Because the girl that referred her, I bet she assumed that girl knew that guy. Totally. Or was just like, yeah, right. Yes. She was like, oh, if you're referring this to me, he must be your family friend of yours. Yeah. But, but originally that girl must have been like, this is just a babysitting person. Right. Oh my God. That's so sad. It's so sinister. And I feel like even to this day, like, you know how paranoid I am, like,

I wouldn't be like, yeah, this person who wants you to babysit is going to pick you up and fucking kill you. Like, it's so easy and obvious. Yeah. That it's almost unfathomable. Yes. Yeah. It's it's just crazy. What a trick, like what a fucking diabolical trick. Yeah. And also I'm what I last night, I watched a thing on Henry Lee Lucas. And you know, most of his, the murders he confessed to were hoaxes and lies. But that idea that people, we've seen it in other cases, people driving around killing people randomly. Yeah. Like, and that's what makes them cold cases is because there's no connection connection. It just drives me crazy. Yeah. It's like stick to a fucking M.O. dude. Make it easy. Yeah. Can we please have a chance? Okay. This one, the subject line is

Fresno worst place best hometown murder. Hi, Karen, Georgia and Stephen. Thanks so much for your service. Fucking service dogs. That's right. The Atlantic article about MFM was spot on and I shared it with all the people I introduced to your podcast. Thank you. I escaped Fresno for New York over a decade ago, but I will never forget the haunting story of the Wesson massacre, which occurred shortly before I moved away. It's gonna be good. Everyone knew Marcus Wesson, but odd. Well, everyone knew Marcus Wesson was odd, but nobody knew the extent of the horror residing in his home. Wesson was the neighborhood weirdo with long gray dreadlocks, a house on the block with an unkempt yard and cars on blocks and constant randoms coming and going at all hours.

On March 12, 2004, several members of Wesson's extended. Oh, fuck. I know what this is. You do. Yep. On March 12, 2004, several members of Wesson's extended family confronted him demanding the release of their children. The police were summoned to what they thought was a child custody issue, but a standoff ensued. Police put his house under siege to little response. Guns were fired, and the police stormed the house, finding the bodies of nine women and children in antique coffins. What? Wesson was arrested in the insane details quickly emerged. Wesson had multiple wives and children, most the product of incest. The complex family structure started with the marrying of his first wife in 1971, then quote, marrying her eight year old daughter in 1974.

Wesson went on to sexually abuse two of his daughters and three nieces, quote, marrying in home ceremonies when they were around seven to nine years old. Each of the five girls became impregnated as a result of the incest. He homeschooled the children and taught them from his personally handwritten Bible that focused on Jesus Christ being a vampire. Editors know what the actual fuck. That's written in all caps. I love it. Oh my God. He told the children that he was God and had them refer to him as master or Lord. He taught the children to be prepared for Armageddon and that the girls were destined to become Wesson's future wives. So here's the kicker. Wesson was convicted of nine counts of first degree murder, despite not having pulled the trigger in any of

the killings. Yep. The wives went full man since shooting their children and committing suicide as Wesson had instructed them if their family was ever threatened. Wesson is on death row at San Quentin and my sister, who lives and works nearby, has seen Wesson visit an eye doctor in her office park. What? Talk about making beds in a burning house, guy who's going to be put to death. Wait, that line would say it again? I talk about. Because he's going to the eye doctor. Yeah. No, that's the best thing I've ever heard. Yeah. Talk about making beds in a burning house, guy who's going to be put to death. How have I never heard that phrase? Making beds in a burning house. It's kind of like on par with rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Right. I love it.

Not that you needed me to explain to you. I get what it means and I love it. She says he's still got the hair and is as terrifying as you'd imagine. Thanks for sharing this story. Hope you found it as bananas as I have. SS, DGM, Erin. How have I never heard that before? And listen, I fucking out every week, Google crazy fucked up crimes, crazy fucked up murders, murders. I didn't like that's all I fucking do for the show. This guy has been on a bunch of like forensic files and all those things that we watch. He was this really big black guy with long gray dreads that were like to the middle of his back and he he treated his family like a cult. So they traveled around. I remember seeing one where basically they were like in a van together

for years. There was some, I want to say it was a 2020, but that might not be right. Were they inner? Oh, maybe, oh shit, I might be confusing this with another. I hope I'm not another. But there was something where they interviewed a survivor. Oh my God, looks like that could be wrong. I mean, so many people were murdered in this is so horrifying. But it definitely was, if it's if I'm thinking of the right one, basically he just they were kind of nomadic. And he was a cult leader, essentially, just it was the cult of his family. That's so sad. It's so crazy. Looking for a better cooking routine with meal planning, shopping and prepping handled. Hello

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Oh, okay. So a little light, something a little light. Just something fun. Something to end it lightly. Okay. Hi. My sister and I are loyal followers longing for each new podcast. Thank you. That's nice.

Here's our hometown murder. Our dad is a veteran policeman and now retired in Pueblo, Colorado. In December, 1999, our elderly great aunt called dad worried about her friend Lucille Pearson missing after not returning home from a local shopping trip. We knew something was up because dad was avoiding her questions. He usually spoke pretty freely. Wait, dad was avoiding probably our questions. He usually spoke pretty freely.

Lucille had been caring for a teenage grandson who had some issues, and no one felt it was a good situation. The grandson's friend agreed to help in the investigation, and this led police to some private property southwest of town. Dad volunteered to go up the hills to help with the search because he had four-wheel drive. They spent a couple days, drained a little pond, and searched a campsite. They found a firing, some small pieces of scorched skull, but nothing they could test DNA for, nearly.

As the son was setting the last day, dad broke off from the group to relieve himself before the long drive home. Just then, he looked down and saw a displaced rock where he was about to pee. It was Lucille's pelvis and her heart was lodged inside. What? Wait, what? Exclamation mark. Did someone put it there?

I don't know. He almost peed on what was left of her body. Oh, that's horrifying. Now they had the physical evidence to prosecute the grandson and his friend for murdering, dismembering, and burning the body of my aunt's friend. Recently, we learned dad was the one to find her, and it was actually kind of funny how he shared in glorious detail how close he was to urinating on this poor woman.

Sometimes you just got to laugh. I didn't say that. She wrote that. SSDGM, Phoebe and Laurel, your favorite murderinos. Well, we never talk about that, but that is the, like, it is pretty horrifying that cops, their jobs where it's like our job is to like read these things and be funny and say funny things to each other, whatever. Their jobs are to go and experience the worst that humanity has to offer repeatedly.

They need to find evidence that people are the worst fucking things in the goddamn fucking world. You got to go out of your mind without humor. Yeah, and you have to like, and also just looking, like they're looking for, they know they're looking for a dead body. They're walking around looking for the scariest thing you could find. And if they don't find it, two monsters probably will just live the rest of their lives free. So like, that's terrifying.

They'll get shot on. You know what I mean? Right. It's like, there's, so you got to have. You got, you got to like, be able to tell some stuff at the dinner table. Right. Or you probably like, drink yourself to death. Totally.

Oh man. So go ahead, law enforcement. Yes, you'll finally have our permission. The thing you've been waiting for all this time. Be lighthearted and free. To family. To make your family write us letters. That's right.

Um, I was going to say something else. Probably really important. And I forgot. Is it about how Steven's per cast is in the Oprah magazine? Fucking yeah. Hi. To you man. Hi.

Your opus breast friend. I hope so. If you haven't seen it, hopefully we've, we've put it on all social media, but do you want to tell us about it? Sure. Yeah. Um, yeah. My cat podcast, which a lot of people, I, I realize people comment and they're like,

Oh, I thought they were just joking. I thought I saw that too. We thought he was just, we were making fun of you. It's kind of a good slam. But everybody. It's good. It's called the per cast. I'm in an episode.

Go listen to my episode. I was talking about Elvis and Mimi for an hour and a half. Yeah. But yeah, we were, uh, Oprah, Oh magazine, uh, reached out to us and asked us some questions and we're there along, you know, alongside some other pet podcasts and stuff. And we're just talking about cats and huge. Yeah. I'm, yeah, I'm, I can't even like, I want to go.

I want to call, call Barnes and Noble and be like, do you have the link? It's me, Steven from the per cast. Oh, Steven. It's me, Steven from Oprah magazine. Did you tell like your family and everyone? Yeah. And they're all they freaking out. Yeah.

Yeah. They're like, Oh my gosh, this is a big deal. It's huge. It's a really big deal. I've subscribed on and off to Oh magazine over the years. The more, if I have money, I will get it because if it's not, if not for, um, you know, like leg exercises, I will never do. Right.

At least they do have like, here's a cute sweater. Here's a cute lipstick. Or like positive articles about like amazing. Yeah. I love the cover because it's, um, Is it Oprah just having a great time? I mean, this one, she's on the cover. She's wearing a big like summery dress in a field and it says rise above how to be

a force for good in the world. Oh, I like, I like that. I'm on that. I mean, yeah, it's not like how to be a monstrous person. How to kick ass to people straight into their teeth. That's Steven's spray people with Oprah. Yeah. Well, that's very sitting.

Congratulations. Yeah. That's big. Yeah. I'm excited to see who, who finds it. Yeah. What are some of your next steps for the per cat season? I mean, if people want to give us free stuff to sponsor.

What's your next? Yeah. Yeah. Just random free things. Yeah. Yeah. No, not even cat stuff. Just like some broken patio chairs.

I can drop off to your house. How does that sound? I like that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, uh, yeah, I just want to like, I just have fun talking to people about their pets.

So I love it because people don't really like all I want to do is talk about Elvis and me and me, but like, you can't really do that in polite society. So like you're giving people like me and I think most cat owners a chance to just talk about their, their cats, uh, eccentricities. Yeah. Unfiltered. Right. Yeah.

Just totally go for it. Yeah. Be a cat fan. Yeah. And there's a lot of, we have a lot of cool guests on there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

A lot of good comedians and shit. My problem is, because I used to have cats, but. Oh, really? Yeah, you should be on it. Oh, I didn't know that. They're both dead now, Steven. But, um, we got one like, um, because she was old on purpose. So it's like, we knew she, we were just kind of like somewhere nice for her to live before

she kicked it. But, um, I'm so, because I was raised on a farm, I'm so unromantic about animals that anytime people try to talk about anything, I'm always like, I don't know. It's a pain in the ass. Like if someone's like, my cat, are you like, that's a, like, I mean, no, I get it because I understand that it's oftentimes it's more about more. Yeah. But also, I also understand that when you spend all your time with like a little thing

that you have this an actual relationship with, I mean, I can't even think about my dog's dying. But when, by the time, like when Rory died, she was, she needed to die. She was probably like 15 years old and she was like on a whale. 20 year old cat. Yeah. Did you really? Yeah.

My cat, Angus, when he died, he was like 16 or something. I feel like when they're outdoor, like barn cats are like, and I'll live forever. Yeah. This is boring. Anyone? Um, I mean, I was going to say, are we stealing your format? No, no, this is awesome. Well, no, because we do end up talking about a lot of like death.

Like you end up, you're like, oh, like, I mean, all like half of my cats growing up are eaten by coyotes. So it becomes a thing that you just talk about. Like, yeah. And I don't know. And a lot of times people, I think the best part about the Perk S is when people feel comfortable sharing those things. Yeah.

So I don't know. It's a big deal. It's like, it just made me think of the very first cat we had growing up named CeCe, who had just showed up at our back door and became our cat and was the cutest. Cats are the best. They're pretty great. I love them. Dogs are great, but cats are fucking aliens.

Pretty certain they're aliens. They're out of their minds. Except for Elvis right now. He's Elvis is mostly Elvis. Elvis is especially Elvis. Um, speaking of Elvis, hey, thanks for listening to my favorite murder. This was an especially long and rambling mini. So take out the mini and just have that.

Just wear the sewed. And, but mostly stay sexy and don't get murdered. Elvis, you know the word you want to cookie. Bye bye.