My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - MFM Minisode 37

Episode Date: August 24, 2017

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Listen to this. Wednesday, September 6th, Auckland, New Zealand. We're going to see you soon. Come to the show. Sunday, September 10th, we'll be in Melbourne at the Comedy Theatre. We added a third show to that. Third freaking show. Tuesday, September 12th, Sydney, Australia at the freaking Sydney Opera House.

Yeah. That's the second Sydney show. We really want to sell the opera house out. How cool would that be? Friday, September 29th, we're going to be at the Fillmore in Detroit, Michigan. That's the second night, second show that night. Saturday, September 30th, Toronto, Canada. And then we have a couple new tour dates to announce one day, I'm sorry.

It's okay. Go. You got it. All right. And then we have a couple new tour dates. Wednesday, October 18th, Minneapolis. We will be there. Does that say Minneapolis, Michigan?

Yeah, it says Minneapolis, Michigan, and that's why I didn't say it. Wait. Where's Minneapolis? Oh, shit. You just Georgiaed real hard. Wait. Where's Minneapolis, Michigan? Oh, Minnesota.

Minnesota. Even I know that one. I guess I'm going to Minnesota. It's not. Jess. Okay. So we're going to be in Minneapolis on Wednesday, October 18th. Yeah.

Saturday, November 11th, Dallas, Texas. There's a late show. And also Saturday, December 9th, we'll be in Kansas City, we're adding a late show at the Midland Theater. Heck yeah. Kansas City. Oh, go to myfavoritmurder.com slash live. We also made a Facebook event page on our Facebook, myfavoritmurder.com slash MFM podcast

with links to buy the correct non-scalped tickets. Yes. And then also once you get your tickets, those are the pages to go to to check. If there are any updates, if you hear rumors of cancellation, if you hear anything to change, just go to our MFM Facebook live show pages and you can get all the latest information there. On sale now. On sale now.

See you soon. Perhands. Karen. There's a period of time where we know we're starting to be recorded but we're not sure. We haven't really started and then we go into a different mode of conversation. It's like pressure's on. Pressure's on but it may not have started yet. Right.

So it's self-aware but not but still casual. Even as we're speaking right now, we're not sure. This is the spot. This is it. This is it right here. Okay. So let's start. I'm not recording.

Just kidding. Perfection. Hey, hi. Welcome to my favorite murder, the mini so. The mini so that gets you through your, this week as last week, it's flipped. So we are doing unqualified with Anna Ferris, especially it's the second part. We did Tuesday. Now it's Thursday.

You're getting your Minnesota. Don't get used to this. Yeah. It's not going to stay like this. Understandable that it's been confusing. We love you guys for sticking through it. It's hard. It's hard.

It's not the hardest thing you're ever going to go through. We hope. Well, no, I hope it is. We hope it's the hardest thing you're ever going to go through. It's not going to be. Yeah. And then really do you want to live your life like that? No.

You need challenges. Challenges are what make you great. Yeah. Are what make you talented. Give you what gives you the knowledge that you can withstand anything. That's right. And the kind of inner wisdom. Yeah.

Um, God, you're welcome. God. Teach you about God. It teaches you all about the Lord. You know, my friend. I just need people to know for those of you who were letting contact to me, can, and this is re the story I told last week about my dogs getting out of my gate. Yes.

My dogs are chipped. Yes. My dogs are chipped. Yeah. Yes. Well, people, I think they just get concerned. People are like, are we dealing with a person who doesn't understand how to have dogs in the standage?

They did get out three times. Kind of. They weren't totally out of bounds. Still, I want to be defensive and say, yeah, my fucking dogs are chipped. Okay. I've now written George's name and my phone number on her collar. I thought you put my, my name and phone number on your dog's collar. George's thing.

I was like, what? So they'll get ahold of you. I think it's the best way because I'm almost always here recording this podcast with you. I just get a call. What if you never told me that? I get a call and they're like, Hey, your dogs are out. I'm like, I don't know. And they like describe them to me and I'm like, those are.

They're yelling at you. How do you know my? Yes. They're chipped. They're chipped. Um, like that's funny. I want to have a corrections corner real quick and say that I will never eat food in the microphone again.

Then I apologize. Oh, did you do that? Like not last week, the week before when we did that, we had the burgers. Oh, you ate right into the microphone. I didn't know. I thought Stephen was going to fucking edit that out. But then I realized I was talking in a way that was like, you couldn't edit. I was like saying a thing that was important.

Okay. I want to say this. Um, I, I apologize to you for putting a time crunch onto a recording where there are people who, uh, messaged us and they were like, are you guys okay because, because we were talking so fast trying to get done by like 10 30 or whatever. Yeah. And yet the episode was still an hour and an hour and 45 minutes. Yes.

We can't do this quickly. Like I'll never, I'll never even attempt again, but it made me laugh really hard. Did we? I didn't know that. Yeah. Oops. I mean, that's what, you know, some people said we just did a live reading of our new tour dates.

Can I read a tweet really quickly? Sure. It's hilarious. A girl named Allie, two L's, two E's, wrote me, yay, my favorite murder is doing a show nearby on August, wait, on October 14th, fiance. That's our wedding day. You will be busy. Oh shit.

I almost scheduled the dentist appointment on my wedding day, like a month before. I was like, yeah, okay. Let's do March Fizz. Oh wait a minute. No, I'm sorry. I'm not, I can't do that. I'm not free that day. And I wrote it in my calendar.

Wedding. And I was like, oh, no, I have something there. Oh, it's my wedding. Yeah, I have something that day. I have something that day. But you know, I'm going to cancel it. I'll be here. So yeah, this is where we read your stories of your hometown murders that you remember

from your childhood, from your mom's childhood. Maybe you're just making it up. Maybe you made it. I don't care. And you're going to read them to you. And we have a couple good ones this week. I'm excited. Yeah.

Stephen really did his, he did his due diligence. He did. Which we expect from Stephen. We always get from Stephen. But at the same time, I'm still grateful for it. Yeah. I just like to say. That's his one job.

Yeah. And he fucking knocked it out of the park. Yeah. It's due diligence. Dude. Stephen's all about due diligence. Stephen has a million jobs with us. Yeah.

But the number one is due diligence. I want to go in much more specific job assignment, task assignment to Stephen, like figure out bill pay for every bill in my life. I want to do things like that to Stephen where I'm like, well, I've never been able to figure it out. Why don't you do it? Do you know my dad offered to do my bookkeeping? Are you serious?

Yeah. Cause I email. I'll tell you later. Wait, is that what he does for a living? No. He does. You have to say no. He dads for a living.

He's just a dad. He's just a dad. He adds around. I'll check. I'm like, I can't do it. I messaged my accountant and I was like, I was just spending more money and throw money at IRS. I can't do this.

Cause I call him IRS. And he's like, well, why don't I come over one day and I'll take care of your book. We'll do it together. Which is like when I was a kid, he had to like give me flashcards and teach me in this. So he's a good teacher. Yeah. Oh, that's, then that's great. He's smart.

He has, he has OCD. He knows this shit. Yeah. See my dad, uh, I can't ask him to help me do anything because the yelling starts within 45 seconds where it's like, how come you don't know it's, since I was a small child, it's the way it's the reason I am. And then you start yelling back at him. Yes.

Because you be like, ask one question in an algebra book where you'd be like, so, and then my dad would go, hold on, yeah, this new math and he'd start reading the book. I'd be like, forget it. Forget it. I'll just figure it out myself. That's me. I'll do, I'll just do it myself. I'll just do it myself.

I hate that when you do ask someone a question and they don't know the answer instead of like saying, I don't know. Or I could, I could look at it. They just start never, never mind. Yeah. I don't, I'm not asking you to, I'm not asking you to go do your own fucking errand with my problem. Even like, do you know how to spell this word?

And they're like, let me look it up and like, no, I can look it up myself. I just wanted to know if you know how to put your phone down, Vince. This is a, I wanted it the fastest way, the fastest, the most human way. Right. Wow. That was it. Damn. We're pissed.

No, we're fucking pissed. Listen. Look, look and listen. Okay. Are you ready? I'm so ready. My Cocker Spaniel saved me from getting kidnapped. Yay.

Hello, MFM family. Nice. This is the same. Great. Yeah. Right to the point because I'm a professor in schools about to start in life as chaos. I love this person. Hell yeah.

Okay. When I was a kid, I had a Cocker Spaniel, Sassy. Sassy. Oh, that was such a kid's dog's name. Let's say I'm Sassy. Did you used to get Sassy magazine? Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Yeah. Wait, yeah. I think I knew of it, but didn't get it. Sassy magazine was, they had like, they used to have Teen Vogue or some teen version of a fashion magazine and then they got rid of it and they put out Sassy and it was like the 90s. Amazing.

Like most real Gen X. Kurt and Courtney were on the cover of it. Yes. Like it was so badass. It was really, look up old, old, I was going to say episodes of it because it's really good. Anyhow, Sassy who was scared of a lot of things, she would pee on herself when people came to the door.

Oh, God. I do that too. Can you imagine? Or if anyone tried to pet her when we were out on a walk, maybe she just had to pee all the time. Generally, she found people that weren't my family terrifying. I've always been interested in animals, turned that passion into a career. I'm a psychologist who studies how animals think and reason and now I have the best job

ever. Yes, you do. Holy shit. I'm going to go and talk to Elvis, Mike. I mean, is this a person that's like watching videos of apes using tools and shit? Oh, they don't want to talk to my cats, do you mean? Oh, I mean, no, no, not comparatively. No, that's just the first thing I think, did you see that the video, it was a viral video

of a, it was a, some kind of an ape or chimpanzee that was using a stick and fire to roast marshmallows? No. It's the greatest. I thought you were going to say the gorilla who's in the kiddie pool and turning around and dancing and going crazy. Did you see, it really shows how they think. They really think I got a dance. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. I play games with dogs for science. Oh, I didn't, I should have finished that. So I would take our dogs. We had another one who isn't in this story, but she was awesome too. To the field at the school about a block from our house to work on their obedience training. One day I was there with Sassy and this guy approached me and tried to talk to me.

He didn't get very close because as soon as he came near me, nervous little sassy went nuts. She started barking and growling and lunging at this guy. This was a dog who usually peed herself and hid behind me when she saw a stranger and here she was going on the attack. The guy walked away and I felt kind of bad that she had acted that way. Innocent little me thought that he was maybe trying to ask for directions or something. Yeah, yeah, adults don't ask kids for help.

That was in parentheses. The next day I was at the grocery store with my dad and saw sketches of the same guy posted on the community announcements board at the front of the store. No. Apparently he had been trying to lure kids away from schools in the area and police were trying to find him. I told my dad and a few days later they reported on the evening news that he had been arrested. From then on I've always trusted my dog's instincts more than my own.

I think everyone is great until proven otherwise. And it has served me well on more than one occasion. On a happy note, my fiancee and I met through our dogs. We were both looking to rent houses that were big, dog friendly and kept running into each other at the same rental houses. That's the most precious meat cute I've ever heard. Hi. Oh my God, it's you again.

Oh, you're looking at it. What did you think of the last one? Kind of gross, right? I mean, it did smell. It's not terrible. It was crazy. Do you like wallpaper? I love wallpaper.

I love wallpaper. Oh my God, I love wallpaper of dogs. Sorry. And our dogs are going to be the maid of honor and best man in our wedding next door. Oh my God. And these are the best human beings that I've ever existed. In parenthesis she wrote, yep, we're those people. Stay sexy.

Don't get murdered and always trust your dog, Ellen. I love it. Oh my God. No, this couldn't, and Mimi couldn't be in the wedding. Can you imagine? I just let them listen to the room. They're just wandering around licking stuff. They're serving orders.

No, I wanted them to work in the wedding because it was. Gator waiter. Expensive. Yeah. Just right. They were the bartenders. Oh my God. Just like little gin and tonics on their backs.

Oh. Well, kiddies. Okay. That was amazing. Mm-hmm. Those are very sweet people. I love it. What was her name?

I'm sorry. Ellen. Okay. This one. Ooh, this is a doozy. This is called, I Thought She Moved Away. Oh. What?

Oh yeah. First off, let me say that on caps, I love these, I love these podcasts so much. Sorry. Just all of them in general. I do too. They're so fun. She sent this to everyone. She sent this to, what's another podcast?

To the president of podcast. This American Live. She sent this to us. I love these podcasts. Keep it up. It is exactly what I wanted and I didn't even know I had been looking for it. I have generalized anxiety. Yay.

And I have spent my life imagining worst case scenarios for me too. Yeah. If both friends entertains me, you awesome ladies cracking jokes and talking about murder are the best. Anyway. Okay. So when I was about six in 1992, my family lived for a couple of years in Dalzel, South Carolina, D-A-L-Z-E-L-L.

You got it? Dalzel. It's about 15 minutes. She says it's this place, it's about 15 minutes from Sumter, South Carolina. I don't know where that is either. You nailed that one though. Sumter? That's gotta be it.

Sure. We lived in a trailer park, but it was a well-built one. Honey, I was not going to tack shit on trailer parks. I love them. No shame. No shame. We meet yards in fairly new mobile homes across the street from me, lived a little girl about my age named Virginia.

Yeah. I would go over to her house sometimes and play and we became pretty good friends. Sidebar. I was a shy kid and got made fun of a lot, so having a friend was not the norm for me at that point. She moved away unexpectedly and we didn't get a chance to say goodbye. Uh-oh. I always felt like it was somehow my fault that she left without saying goodbye.

Oh. Double uh-oh. I guess that's uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Oh. Anyway, cut to about 11 or 12 years later, I'm watching an old home video my family made

to send to my grandparents instead of a normal letter of our new home in South Carolina. No, we never sent it because I both farted and cursed on the tape. We were recording nothing in general. My brother is shooting the neighborhood then points out Virginia's house and zooms in saying, you see that house? Somebody died in that house. His voice is full of miserable puberty-ridden teenage glory. Then dad says, Dylan, hush, your sister's inside.

Then I come out and we go about filming nothing, etc. What? So, oh, okay. Just sitting there watching this video. This is my dream. Like, you get to watch moments where you're not there. Yeah. But that they're relevant to you somehow, hopefully not too painfully.

Like someone talking shit on you. Yeah. But like, you know, but this is the best because it's secrets. Yeah. Secrets you don't know. So, she's at this point like 18 years old watching this thing. If you saw that in a movie, you'd be like, I doubt it. Yeah.

Who watches a video from way back? I don't know. But also in that, when those videos, cameras first came out, remember it was just like, people record nothing for hours. Yeah. It would be like, it's Christmas and it'd be like six hours of the most boring shit. Nobody knows how to edit. Yeah.

There's no editing. Or just kind of stop recording and wait for something good. Well, I do that with it. I think there's like 12 minutes of me just recording Elvis doing nothing because he had done something cute like a minute before. Right. You want to recapture it somehow? Yeah.

This is about me. Okay. I'll go about that. I, about 17 or 18 then, had apparently never seen this tape. I asked my mom about it and she told me that Virginia's mother had actually gone crazy, shot her daughter, then shot herself because I was so young and it was such a terrible event. They just told me she had moved away.

So yeah, I've actually tried to find out some details about it, but I haven't had any luck. I don't remember their last name, the mother's name. And I assumed she was divorced because I don't think I remember a dad being in the picture. Other than that, I have no other details besides the street name. Wow. Sam, thanks again for the amazing gift that is this podcast. Oh, so these podcasts, isn't it?

Oh my God. Sam, that story is haunting. Yeah. Creepy. I mean, that's kind of like perfection and it's that thing of like through the filter of a little child's mind where it's kind of good. They probably didn't tell her except for then when you don't know the truth, your little child's brain fills in the details.

It's her fault. Yeah. You know, it's so weird. Do you have these events where you're like, oh, I was, I've been stuck with this horrible thought of this thing happening for so long because I interpreted it wrong. Yes. And it's actually not, not the way I thought it was like that kind of thing. Yes.

Like someone. Yeah. I'm trying to think if there was one where it was like, oh no, I was wrong about that the whole time. There were, well, whatever. I don't want to keep talking about that. No, I mean, there, no, I know exactly what you're talking about. I feel like that's what a lot of therapy is about.

Yeah. You look on your past and instead of believing that what you think your life has been is just fact. Yeah. It's actually your skewed perception and from your angle of like fear and anxiety and, you know, like need to protect yourself. Yeah. Did I tell you, can I say this really quickly because this was such a huge moment for me

when Vince and I tried going to a new therapist. He's amazing. Vince is amazing too. But I had this like narrative. Vince's mom died when he was like really young. His dad never remarried. My parents first when I was really young, never remarried and my narrative was like, well, we need to go to therapy because we don't have an example of what a good marriage looks

like and we don't know and blah, blah, blah. And then I said that to the therapist. He was like, Vince has a good idea of what a good marriage looks like. His dad wore his ring until he died and never got remarried and was that was his wife and he was sticking with it. So Vince did have a good fucking image of what a good marriage was. And I was like, oh, I'm an asshole. I was totally wrong.

You're not an asshole. I know. You just had your version of, like you just had your perception of it and you couldn't have thought of it a different way because you'd never, because that wasn't your experience. But that's an amazing point. It's changed so much from the way I think about my relationship with Vince now. It just was like, oh fuck, you're totally right. Isn't that weird?

It's weird, but that's also such a beautiful thought. I'm so happy about it. It's such a beautiful, lovely, like I think things like that are hard to come up with yourself. Yeah. So somebody, you need a therapist, you need like a scientific kind of official person to tell you best case scenario, because you won't trust it if you tell yourself. Yeah.

You'll be like, oh, I'm lying to myself and I better, I better tell myself worst case scenario so I'm more prepared. But like, that's the thing I love the best about my therapist. She'll be like, the first time she said it, she goes, you're very, when you get scared, she goes, when you get scared, you tell yourself very mean stories. Ooh. And I was like, what? And then like, in just, it's like, anytime I have social anxiety or I'm nervous about

dating or any kind of thing, it's like, I will just go like worst case scenario. Here's the, here's what's happening. And so then I'm always just like, okay. And it has nothing to do with you being a horrible, awful, nobody, monster, monster. So you tell yourself mean things about yourself. Just so that I go like, oh, okay, I get, I get what's happening here. I'm now going to not care. I have to cut myself off emotionally so that, because it's the worst case.

And really you're, you are in charge of the outcome because you did that. So like the outcome could have been totally different. Oh girl. I've shut down. Well, why are we talking about this? Why are we always ready? The subject line of this one is my school janitor. It's okay that we did that.

Right? Yes. Okay. I mean, it's our project. You know what I think this is? This is a little touch of the unqualified with Anna Ferris coming through. It's fun to talk about shit like that. It is.

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You can listen ad free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. My school janitor and the time my dad was part of a manhunt. All right. It's on. Let's do it. Hi, Georgian. Karen, this is a pretty crazy story coming from a place that usually encounters no violent crimes.

My best friend from my hometown got me hooked on the podcast and may have already wrote in about this, but hopefully it gets read. That's hilarious. They're in like a race to tell the story. Yeah, this person's winning. Well, Cassidy won. Okay. We grew up in a really small, like less than 500 people, small town in northern Maine called

St. Francis. Oh, that's pretty. I bet it smells like the salty sea air and lobster and like men with really unruly beards and B.O. Okay. Set the scene. Really smell the scene. It's a town where legit everyone knows everyone and you would never expect anyone from town

being capable of such a horrific crime. Oh, in the early summer of 2014, a man named Jesse Marquez or Mark Markey, I think it's Markey, Jesse Markey had just been dumped by his girlfriend. The story is that he was pretty drunk and this happened late at night. He went into the room of his girlfriend, Amy Thoreau and both shot and stabbed her 11 times. About fucking overkill. It says in this email, not only did he murder her in her own bedroom, there were other people in the house.

Fuck. They promptly called the police as Markey left with the gun. There are a lot of woods near us. Yes, I would imagine that. And it's on the border of Canada. So law enforcement was concerned he would jump the very unenforced border. My dad, it's just a, it's just a border. It's just a line of maple syrup that's going across sorry.

They promptly called the police. Oh, sorry. There were a lot of said that already. My dad is a game warden and was a member of the search, which lasted for six days before finding him in the woods. He was found guilty by a jury and sentenced 25 years to life. Amy had two young children who will now not get to share their lives with their mother. This murder did spark a huge anti domestic violence movement in town and surrounding

areas. That's amazing. The most fucked up part. Oh, good. The most fucked up part about this murder is that Markey used to work as a bus driver and janitor at my tiny school and all the students loved him. And he seemed like such a cool guy. He had such an impact on my eighth grade class that in 2008 when we graduated eighth grade,

we fucking dedicated our yearbook to him. Well, did we know that six years later he'd snap and now we have a creepy yearbook dedication to a murderer? Anyway, that's my hometown murder. Hope you enjoyed it. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered. Cassidy.

Oh my God. That's. I mean, the yearbook thing is crazy. Well, then you just want to know what happened in that six years or like in that decade or what or that night. The behind the scenes. Yes. Exactly.

Was it was it all one night? Yeah. Then he just snapped or was it like a slow erosion? Yeah. That's a hoax. I'm telling you murders in Maine. I'm a hundred percent here for murders in Maine. That must be a show on Oxygen or something.

And I'm pitching it. This is my way of telling you I'm pitching it to Oxygen. Oh, all right. Well, I'm doing murders in Maryland. Oh fuck. I guess murders in Mississippi is what about, yeah, okay. All right, this one's called vicarious encounters with infamous men. Okay.

Hey, MFM crew. All right. What up? I've been a fan from the very beginning. Earlier this week, I was having a couple beers with my dad. We have a strange relationship. You ready for this? Yeah.

We have a strange relationship since he spent 17 years in prison in New York state for killing my mom when I was three and a half. Wow. And I read that I was like, great job, Steven. Wow. Great job picking this one. I know. Okay.

She says, I know, I know, how can I still see or talk to him, right? I'll just say it's complicated. Not right. Shit. We don't, I mean, yeah. I'm not. It's your father. I get it.

There's lots of, there's lots of things. And understandable that alcohol is involved when you guys hang out. My mom didn't even kill anyone and I have to fucking drink around her when I'm with her. Look, I mean, you only have two parents. I mean. The enormity of that. Yes. It's, it's just like, no one will ever understand that unless they've gone through it.

Yeah. And who knows what the dad said? I mean, who knows? Anyway. Who knows? Who knows? Yeah. Anyway, for the, she says anyway, I'm not saying it to you.

Anyway, Karen. Anyway. Anyway, for the first time this week, I really got some details about what prison was like. He apparently only ever spent a month in quote, the box or solitary confinement because he refused to snitch on a guy who started a fight with him. He said, having a reputation as a snitch stays with you the whole time you're inside. The only thing worse is being a convicted child master. He was in Attica for a while and he said that he used to play pinocchio with David

Berkowitz. What the fuck? The guy who was son of Sam. I mean, I hope this isn't a lie, but if it is, it's great writing. It doesn't seem like. Pinocchio is the funniest card game that you could name. And you're playing it with son of Sam. With son of Sam.

Fuck. Great. Just great contrast. I love it. When I was there, he and a guard would make each other laugh by walking by Mark David Chapman cell and singing John Lennon's song. No. What the fuck?

Holy shit. Fuck. All in all, a pretty fucked up situation, but it has occasionally yielded some interesting stories. I love you both and I hope that next time you're in Philadelphia, we can hang out and be BFF. I'll make you cookies in the meantime, stay sexy and don't get murdered. All do the same.

Smooches to you and Steven and the animal crew XOXO stuff. Stuff. Stuff. That's, I mean, that's fascinating. Fuck. What an interesting person. Her. I mean, her.

All of it. Yeah. Also, just that the experience of a person, you know how like the inside prison experiment, all those shows, it's also because I'm sure it's hellish and terrible, like the night of or whatever, it's all just like this huge panic, but like kind of anecdotal stories about being inside prison is, is a very fascinating way to get that information. Cause they imagine, you imagine the like day to day stuff is like, it's pretty boring. Right.

It becomes like, you know, you're 12 years into a life sentence and you're like, this is what I do now. And I, yeah, there's been a couple of fights, but I've had to go and there's this and that, but it's fine. Not much going on until someone jumps you in the laundry room. Yeah. With a shank. Is that what they use?

Maybe they shank you. Maybe they garot you. Maybe you learn to make prison wine. Maybe you, you are able to order through the guy that gets stuff like a catalog, get yourself some mushrooms. Top ramen. Oh. Some mushrooms for your top ramen.

Can you imagine doing drugs and mushrooms in a fucking prison? I think you'd go out of your goddamn mind. But I think it's just, just to get, just to pass the time. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Mushrooms would be bad though.

Cause you'd be like, I keep seeing skulls everywhere. Yeah. Okay. So my grandma, my grandma provided a getaway for the acid lady. All right. Okay. Hi Karen, Georgia, Steven and various pets. My grandma is completely obsessed with true crime.

Oh my God. That's the best. One of the things she and I always do together is watch reruns of forensic files and Dateline. One night, while watching an episode of Dateline on Larissa Schuster, aka the acid lady, my grandma casually mentions that she was involved in this. What? The weirdo that I am. I needed details.

You're not a weirdo friend. You'd be weird if you didn't fucking say, what the fuck are you talking about grandma? Yeah. The weirdo is the person that goes, would you like some more tea and like gets up and walks away. That's the weirdo. Okay. If you're not for Fresno, then you may not know about her, but Larissa Schuster was

this woman who in 2003 murdered her husband. She and her lab partner incapacitated her husband, Tim, using chloroform and a stun gun. But they were boning, right? Oh, right. Probably. And then put his body in a 55 gallon barrel full of hydrochloric acid and left it to dissolve in a storage unit. Seriously, look up this case because it's whack, whack in all caps.

My grandma at the time was a travel agent and booked Larissa and her son on a trip to Disney World and then Missouri, which ended up being her getaway after the murder. It was in the Missouri airport that Larissa was arrested. The biggest thing my grandma talks about is how, oh, talks about though, is how annoyed she was about having to drive to LA for the trial to testify, which is a classic grandma move. Oh my God. Basically, both Larissa and her lab partner were sentenced to life in prison and my grandma

is a badass, SSDGM, Hannah. Wow. That's amazing. That's so cool. I really older, like the older women who have been murdering since the 30s is my jam. I want to hear about all of those. That is so weird. You don't think about that.

You think about it being such a like, what's it called, like new thing, modern thing being into murder, but it's not a crime, true crime. Yeah. Because all of those pictures you think of all those like courtroom pictures, half the people in that room do not need to be there. They're purely there just to watch proceedings take place because remember when we were on tour and there was that woman that was telling us that she was a really famous court. I can't remember if it was Ted Bundy or if it was, yeah, she was older and John Wayne

Gacy. Yeah. And she was like telling us all about going there and waiting beforehand and sitting in the, in the, in the courtroom. That's so crazy. I love because the back then it wasn't on TV. Yeah. You had to go to the courtroom to like get yours.

Wow. Amazing. So cool. Send us your grandma's stories, you guys, please, please. Or if they just have kind of good stories. Any story. Yeah. It doesn't have to be murder.

We like all this. So yeah. Send your stories to my favorite murder. Gee. Mail. Don't put links in there. Yeah. We don't care about links.

No. We won't click your link to your weird credit card. What? Just say like if they're, if it's spam links look like spam to me. Yeah. I don't know why I said that. Yeah. It doesn't matter.

Okay. Thank you guys for listening. And we're going to go back to normal next week with a regular, regular, you know, life. Yeah. The, but it's good that we re broke up the, the pace, the pattern. Yeah. We, we mess with people's minds. Keeping you on your toes.

It's a whole new world. There you go. That's what it is. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered. Bye. Bye. Oh.

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