My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 11: What the Helleven

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia! This week, we’re recapping Episode 11 – What The Helleven – when they made the horrible mistake of covering cannibals. Karen covered the Cannibal Bus murder while Georgia went classic with serial killer Albert Fish. Whether you've listened a thousand times or you're new to the show, join the conversation as we look back on our old episodes and discuss the life lessons we’ve learned along the way. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode!   Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder   Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurder TikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder Now with updated sources and photos: https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes/rewind-what-the-helleven My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories, and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. The Exactly Right podcast network provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics, including true crime, comedy, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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FX's Grotesquerie premieres September 25th on FX Stream on Hulu. Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia, our new series where each week we head back to 2016 or wherever the fuck and reflect on the days of yore. That's right. We will be providing case updates on the cases that we originally covered way back when. We will be giving correction corners because of course that never ends. The mistakes never end. The corrections never end. And then we'll just explain to you those really confusing inside jokes like stay out of the forest. Like where did that even come from?

Oh my God, it was a part where someone was in the forest and a bad thing happened and then we said stay out of the forest. Now the code is cracked. Finally, today we're gonna go back to the 11th episode, which as we did back then, we named after the number and it's called What the Hell 11. Love it. I love that one.

This episode came out on Thursday, April 7th, 2016 and we had topics back then and this one for some reason never again cannibals. I mean we were just we were trying to be thematic. We were finding our space. We were finding our format. Right. Truly two of the worst cases ever. Especially like not realizing that if we talk about them together, it's going to be just a terrible couple hours.

Right. Right. But you guys listened and you're about to listen. You listened to us being totally repulsed and freaked out. And this is a great example of what this podcast has been like. We have an idea. We think we're being cute. We go to do the idea. It's so not any of those things. And then people start letting us know how we did it wrong.

And we keep it up. What also this podcast is about, though, I will say, is that it's us sitting around talking to our friends about horrible, horrible things and feeling more connected, a little lighter and a little less like I can't sleep at night because all I think about is this. It's like, so can my, my friends can't either. And we talked about it.

We got it all out there in the open, which is the only way I can fucking deal with anxiety is get it all out there. Yeah. And we did it. Kind of like, we all know these stories, but this is how we feel, which might be how you feel. Right.

Instead of just that kind of true crime fan projection people put on true crime fans, quote unquote. Which is that they enjoy it, or they love it. And it's like, you don't understand. No. And I think that that, maybe at episode 11, we were like kind of hitting that stride of understanding that like, it's not like us driving by a car accident in a car by ourselves, it's us driving by in a bus full of people like us. And... Going, don't look, don't look, I have to look. I have to look.

Tell me what's there. I'm not going to look. If I look really quickly, it's not like it's looking. Oh, I hate this episode. Okay. So, well, come hate it with us. Grab your sister-in-law, your old babysitter, or your voter registration volunteer. Hey!

I love that Erin put that in there. And invite them all to listen along, because now we can all be day one listeners. All right, let's go. Let's listen to the intro to episode 11. What the hell, Evan? We're recording a podcast. We're recording E-Pod. Everybody clear your throat.

What's your name? My name is Karen Colgariff. That's cool. What's your name? Georgia Hardstark. And what are we here to do? Talk about moita. Let's do accents the whole time.

Looky. Oh my god. I'll do British. Okay. I'm going to have to slide into it. It's gonna take a while. I really have to concentrate. Hello, Governor. What do you got? A murder for me? Shoot. Shoot. Hi, everybody. Hi, welcome to my favorite murder with This is Karen in Georgia. And we're here to talk about your favorite murders and ours. Yep.

That's what we do. If you just found this randomly, if you're just entering random words on iTunes and you found our podcast, welcome. You might bum out. You might get bummed out. Or you might fall in love. You might fall in love with murder. Trigger warning.

Should we do trigger warning? Yep. Murder, clearly, if you didn't figure that one out. And peanuts. Peanut warning. Oh, peanuts. Yes. Not this again. There's also several large penises in this podcast. Keep your eye peeled. Okay, so before we get into this week's favorite murder. Oh, Georgia's got some papers. She's got some serious business over there. Well, I want to discuss, okay, so we have a Facebook group

for my favorite murder that is unbelievably awesome. Pretty great. 2200 people now. Wow. This is our 11th episode. I mean, like, 22 people. Nope. 2200 people.

Nope. And for the most part they're cool. I had to kick a guy out this week. He was being a creeper. He was being a creep. Is it the guy that posted the thing about how to check yourself for ovarian cancer? What? Did you see that one?

I think it was probably him. He posted like, hey, you guys like beards? Or like, what do you do if a guy's following you at night? Like really inappropriate. It's just weird. Yes. And the majority of the people in the group are female and they were all like, hey, Georgia, can you kick this guy out?

Yeah. So I kicked him off. And then someone wrote something about like politics. And I deleted their post, but I didn't delete them. So. Oh, because you just didn't want to have it be a thing. Yeah. Yeah. So I wrote a thing Oh, cause you just didn't want to have it be a thing. Yeah. So I wrote a thing like, let's just talk about murder. Everyone. Yeah. It's we're not there to have it. I'll turn into anything really, except for a forum for what everybody's creepy,

funny interest is. It's funny that in a Facebook group writing and talking about murder, I have to be like, you're inappropriate. You have to be so inappropriate to get kicked out of a fucking murder group. Yeah. Well, the other thing too, what I found, and I was on there for a little while and then I told Georgia the story of how I'm so afraid because I went back to Facebook and I don't want them to alert all my lunatic, like,

the people that I went to camp with who made me leave in the first place. Karen's back. I was afraid it was gonna go through all my email addresses and just be like, guess what, everybody? So I tried to change my email. Anyway, what ended up happening is I got locked out of my own new Facebook thing.

So it bums me out because I was on out of my own new Facebook thing. So it bums me out because I was on there for like three days going crazy. I mean, I wanted to comment on what everybody was talking about. I have liked, it's getting overwhelming, but there's so much great shit and you can just post one little thing and everyone just writes stuff. And people are so funny and smart. See, that's the thing is that I think maybe a creeper or an outsider of any kind, it just shows immediately because everybody's just on task.

Totally. Man or woman, everybody there is there to have very specific types of conversations. And they're not even all about murder. No. And they know their shit. One person will be like, you get a lot of posts saying, what was the murder that triggered it for you and that made you obsessed with it? The hometown murder thing is people are obsessed with that.

It's like a lot of really smart questions and then really smart answers. And I think as soon as some guy was writing something that clearly had nothing to do with it, people were annoyed. Well, and also that's like a weird dude that walks up to you and your friends at a bar of like, Hey, what do you guys think of beards? Or it's like, we think go fuck yourself. And they don't get it. Yeah. I've had, yeah, I've had those. I'm not nice about that anymore. You comfy?

Yes. Well, I realized that I was facing, I was perpendicular to you like looking at you out of the corner of my eyes. That's how I like to talk to people. It's kind of, I wasn't trying to be coy. Oh, I didn't tell you this. I am listening to, and I know you are too, you must remember this podcast about Charlie Manson. Yes.

It's like a seven part? It's a seven parter. The last episode I listened to was Dennis Wilson. I'm listening to that right now. I love it. How many celebrity name drops are in that? So many. It's hilarious. It's like Angela Lansbury's daughter hung out with the Charles Manson family and like would charge food on her mom's credit card until Angela Lansbury was like, cancel

the card, get the hell out of there. Do you ever reconcile that you thought Charlie Manson was cool? Like do you ever reconcile like Ann Ruhl thinking that Ted Bundy was a nice guy? I don't think you ever can trust yourself again or is it like a compartmentalizing? No, you can't. Here's why I think you could. First of all, Angela Lanceberry's daughter was very young. She was probably in her early 20s if not teens. So you get a pass if you're young and dumb and it's summertime and you're probably on acid. Anybody with long hair and like a weird take on life is going to be interesting to you, I bet. It's funny how in past episodes you and I have been like, how close have you been getting

murdered? And you're like, one time I walked to my car alone and like Angela Lansbury started like, well, I used to fucking take acid with Charlie Manson. I chilled out with Charlie Manson for a summer before I went to Europe. But Ann Rule has like the perfect excuse because Ted Bundy was the ultimate, you had to really hang out with Ted Bundy before you caught on that something weird was happening.

He had his act down pat. Good for him. So what's he supposed to, I mean he acted like he cared about her He wasn't like a creep to Ann Rool. He was sweet to her Do you kind of wish like standing in front of us right now? We're like, okay Let's say there's like five dudes and one of them is sociopath Do you think after talking them for like you get to ask each one three questions? Yeah

Do you think you could pick out which one is a sociopath? I think well, sociopaths are hard though because their whole game in life is to win to beat people to be Right, so they want they want to trick you they're gonna do anything they can to like get I would think that the nicest dude or the most normal seeming dude would be the sociopath They're like no dude the emo kid in the corner So do you accuse Vince of being a sociopath all the time? No, because he's nice, but he's not a pushover. Oh, oh, oh, got it, got it.

But that reminds me, okay, I put up in the Facebook group, because remember a couple episodes ago, we talked about how you hate 911 calls? And we talked about how when a husband kills his wife and then calls 911 and pretends like he didn't do it. And I was like, can you guess which one was real and which one wasn't? And I said I could, right?

Yeah. And so we have to wait till Dustin's recording us next time because Dustin's not here because I need someone to play. I don't want to listen. I want us both to play. I got a bunch of people to fucking put 911 calls in the comments of our Facebook group. So we can actually play the game that we made up? Yup.

So we're going to have Dustin pick. Bless you, listeners. I mean, it sounds like the worst game in the history of the world. Should we wait till Halloween? Yes. Or some terrible holiday that's scary? Listen, there was enough that we could do it every fucking day of our lives, which is so fucked up.

I don't want to. I don't either, but we have to for science podcasting. Here's the thing though, because when you listen to a person talk like that, it sends alarm bells. It's like very, I want to say reptilian, but it's like, it's old. It's like alarm bells go off of like if a man shrieks, that's an unnatural sound. Definitely. They're not supposed to make that sound. I feel like we're gonna have to both close our eyes, give ourselves- Lay down on the ground.

Kill ourselves. And then listen to them. And then put some stuff in our ears. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like a terrible, horrible, hilarious game that I might do one round of. We'll have Dustin pick three out. One of them will be real, so we don't have to listen

to too many real ones. Perfect. Okay. Nice. They're never real. Man, everyone kills their wives. It's a very common practice. What else? Oh, I was going to say last week I called that podcast the crime garage about 90 times.

It's called the true crime garage. And they commented and were like, hey guys. Did they comment? Didn't you see? Yeah, I think it was them. I was locked out. Remember locked out of Facebook? No, no, no.

On our Twitter, my favorite Twitter. They talked to us directly. I have been off social media because this goddamn job this goddamn awesome job It's not McDonald's Yeah, they they commented and we're like, did they say get her name right where they met like lol, thank you Oh, they were cool. They were cool. Oh good. Okay Yeah, Jesus. Well, we have a real reach which speaking of which we found out Jesus. Wow, we have a real reach.

Speaking of which, we found out. Oh my God. Dustin sent us a picture. Go ahead. You do it. He sent us a little screen grab and we are number 75 on the iTunes podcast list. I don't know. Comedy podcast list.

Is it comedy? Yeah. Which is fucking huge. It's humongous. We've done this once a week for 11 weeks. That's not a lot. Thank you so much you guys whoever Here's what I love is when people Know I now only can see on Twitter because I've been locked out of Facebook god damn Facebook, but um But on Twitter what I love is when people are like you would like this and it's it's our you know listeners

Recommending and and telling people friend. I saw friend. it's our, you know, listeners recommending and telling people always tell a friend, everybody's doing a lot of great. It's like, we've got a street team. Totally telling me that the way you get your numbers up on and the way you get in those lists is that is people rating and reviewing and then downloading too. But you have to download from iTunes to get those numbers. Oh, okay. But like if you're doing it for like Apple, you know, so if you have a podcast thing, which I do. So they register it.

Yeah. Well, thank you for doing it, everybody. Thanks, guys. It's really exciting and a huge compliment. For a podcast with two female hosts, neither of which are married to big podcasting, big wigs, comedy, big wigs. No offense to those who are careful flame war. I don't think so. It just depends on how you meant it or have a famous or male comedian on the podcast with them. Look at the at the end of the day, two

girls who are talking about the one thing that they thought they weren't allowed to talk about, which is loving murder. And it's working out nice. We're glad that people like it. Did I just flame work so hard? You did not. There are so many people that could have been. I know.

Truly. And I don't care. And we're back here in what, 2024? Here in good old 2024. We were so proud that the Facebook group had 2200 people in it. I still think that's so many. It was. It is. It's wild. And I had to kick someone out for the first time for being creepy.

And then I guess also for talking about politics, which is hilarious, considering now where we are. Yes. Like, I don't think we realized how political we would get or were or are. We just thought it was normal. Like, yeah, we're fucking liberal or shit. That's not political. But also, I think there are men on the internet, or I should just say people on the internet, who women talking and expressing their opinion without trying to be attractive in any way

is political, which I didn't grow up that way. I'm from Northern California. It was hippie, Montessori, you know. Totally. Like girls are the same as boys. Yeah, absolutely. It's not my reality at all. Absolutely. My mom, bless her heart, however she is now, she raised me very, very liberal. So I think she hit her head at some point in the late 90s, early 2000s. But yeah, I'm proud of that.

I'm proud that we do that. It's funny when people are like, stick to true crime. And it's like, well, true crime actually is kind of political if you think about it. Here's my thing. All the stick to people, why don't they stick to just being in their fucking house? Or make the thing you want to make that argues with it.

But don't come on here and tell these podcasters or anybody, like, stick to music. Stick to whatever. It's like, shut the fuck up. Life has become politics because every fucking law affects you in some way, whether you're a fucking musician or a podcaster or an actor or a fucking accountant.

You should be political a little bit. Stick to whatever blank is a troll's move. And then normal people learn it from trolls to go, oh, this is how I make people not care about a thing. But guess what? It doesn't work that way. If only politicians were political, this would be a fucking...

We'd be fucked. This would be the fucking Nazi Germany. Like, that's the point. Also, I do remember the 80s and 90s were only politicians and then a couple weirdos were political and everybody else was like, it's their job to do it and no one else is going to get involved. Let's let Ronald Reagan run the country. He's an ex-actor and he knows best for us.

We are now sitting and living in the result of that. Yeah. Let's not do that. Oh no, we got political. Oh shit. We got to delete our Facebook. We were forced to be political. Let's see. I'm listening to the podcast, You Must Remember This, about Charles Manson,

which is still one of our favorite podcasts. Yeah. If you're into that, I would also recommend the book that came out not too long ago called Chaos by Tom O'Neill, which is one of the most interesting Manson-related pieces of work I've ever read. And I was not that interested in where I thought I knew everything there was to know. This is like deep dive, like CIA, also the Beach Boys, like fucking Terry Melcher, like

deep dive, conspiracy theory, Manson stuff. So I highly recommend the book Chaos. Chaos. Okay. Yeah. And so you mentioned that you have two jobs I remember this because it was very case speaking of chaos you have two jobs during this time what jobs were those thing my new friend Georgia was like do you want to start a podcast and I was like yeah sure cuz all I do is work so it would actually be nice to do something fun you're gonna come over anyways we might as well record it right

exactly we're gonna have stellar conversations. Other people are going to want to listen to this. But at the time, and I can't remember, and I'm sure I blocked out a lot of this, but I'm pretty sure I was working on talk show, the game show, which is Guy Branum hosted this amazing game show where you had to go on and play like you're on a talk show.

And I was one of the judges, and I was also one of the producers on it, whatever. And so I had already done it the previous season. And so I went back to do it. And then also I was wrapping up a staff writing job on basically a sitcom, a network sitcom. So light, light lifting. You know, not too much work, but it was great because I was getting away from work and what

I actually was doing was signing up for what turned out to be so much, I mean, and we elected to do this podcast like homework podcast. But as you can see by the beginning episodes, we didn't think it'd be homework. We thought it'd be like, oh my God, do you remember that one little thing about Jambané? Well, right. That's all. And then we realized you cannot talk like this. You have to do this correctly.

You have to be accurate. You have to all these things that truly we didn't realize. And it was like, oh, good. Now I have a third job. Yeah. But we wanted to. We could have given up then and been like, oh, this is too much work. Almost did.

Almost did. Almost did many times. But it was so 2200,200 fucking Facebook people. Like, we can't let 2,200 people down. And also we reached number 75 on the iTunes Comedy Podcast charts, which you didn't give a shit about, but I thought it was the most fucking exciting, I still think, 75 on iTunes Comedy Podcast charts.

That's big fucking time. You're just nodding and shaking your head now. I love it. I was raised in a comedy environment where either you're number one or you don't talk about it because you have to beat everyone all the time and it's just one big vicious foot race. But also I was just like, that's nice. It was just that kind of thing where I couldn't really enjoy anything. Let's just sit in it.

We don't have to talk about it. I can't tell you guys how many times Georgia would like hold her phone up excitedly and just be like, look. And it'd just be a new thing. I'd be like, cool, cool, cool. Okay, let's just get this over. Or you'd get mad at me.

Like, don't look at that. Like, don't get excited. Because then you're affected by what you're seeing and you're starting to take it as fact. And then being like, we have to change the show because they said we have to. And that's the worst. I'm still affected by those charts. I'm still going to go ahead and say that it's actually now about you commenting and rate

review describing. It's really about that. Yeah. Thank you guys for doing that. That's why we were there. That's right. And we really fucking appreciate it. I want to do a. What the fuck.

Georgia corner where I said something. How amazing it was for two female hosts to be on that chart because neither of us are married to podcast big wigs. That's I was I remember saying it because I've thought about it throughout the years. And I just saw that because I know it sounds like I'm talking shit on cool up. Well I suck who I fucking think is amazing and I love her.

Everyone loves her. I'm so talented. We love her. On her own. But you know what? This is a lot like when I started episode one and I called my sister's friend Adrienne, like Prissy or something, which is totally inaccurate.

I was kind of trying to find a concept. And I think you were just doing something and then in retrospect, we realized that is a person specifically that no one feels that way about. I don't feel that way. Her podcast is of course add to cart. Make sure you listen to it. She's so talented. And so I just want to correct that. What is it 11 years later? No, eight years later. This is I mean right now I just want to take a moment to say we're very brave for fucking doing this because this is hard and Also, and I've said this before but it's like if you walked around and recorded every conversation that you had and then just posted It somewhere so the public could tell you how wrong you are. You would be like I would never do that

That's crazy. Right and we've been doing it for eight and a half years So like fucking kudos to us. So fuck you except for the,200 people that were on the Facebook page. They were the ones. They are the ones who stuck by us. Let's get into Karen's horrible, terrible, really fucked up story. It's the Cannibal Bus Killer. I had never heard of this story before you told it. I wish I had never heard of it. But you should stay and listen. Yeah, don't not listen. Here we go. This podcast is brought to you in part by Squarespace. Hey Canada, if you're looking to build a new website, we just want to say congratulations. That's right.

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Starring Nisi Nash Betts, Courtney B. Vance, Leslie Manville, and Travis Kelce, FX's Grotesquery premieres September 25th on FX. Stream on Hulu. Karen, it's your turn. Is it my turn to go first this week? If you want, I'm happy to. Guys, this week, our theme is cannibalism. Which I think I didn't realize how rough it was going to be. Well, and I kind of touched on it last week with the vampire Sacramento, but he was, I mean, what I realized in reading

is yes, it's rough, it's super gross. And there's all different kinds. I have something to read, Karen, about when I was like, I don't know about cannibalism. And you texted me back, hold on, let me see here. I said, what if the, we were talking about maybe it'll be cannibalism. And I said, what if the theme is what if they're innocent? And you wrote, I feel like cannibalism would be easier for me. I was like, okay, cool.

Yeah, I didn't want to have to do a bunch of like, will they, won't they? What I enjoy is when you know for a fact someone has murdered 12 children. They were covered like human flesh in their oven. Some horrible, yeah. I like deep horror as opposed to like, could he be in jail? And that's just sad. But also I meant it because it's like, I basically off the top of my head was like, well, there's classic Albert Fish. Everybody, you know, that's that, that thing of like, he's, you know, he's an all star. So there's Dahmer. Everyone knows Dahmer.

Everybody knows Dahmer. And if you haven't heard last past podcast on the left's Dahmer, I think it's a three part series, two or three part. It's very perfectly researched, of course, Marcus Parks, but also hilariously funny. I gotta say about speaking of, we were talking about You Must Remember This, and Dahmer, I don't care about either of those cases. Manson or Dahmer?

I'm really bored by the rest of You Must Remember This. I know that's a slam of choice. As a podcast. As a story. You're flaming out tonight. As a story. You're flaming out tonight. As a story. You're just like, I don't like anything, but when children get murdered. I 100% agree with you that somebody, I think on Twitter recommended the, you must remember

this Manson series. And my staff's remark back immediately was, I don't like hippies. It's someone that I know or talk to so it wasn't too mean. But that's my thing is that Charles Manson is, it's just random. And then Jeffrey Dahmer is just like one guy being gross. And I like more of a planning process, a true serial killer. Well, I guess he was in that way, but like, as I've said a million times, I tend more toward like seven, the movie seven, where it's like notebooks,

weird shit hung in your apartment. Obsessive. Well, he had shit all over the apartment. I guess I'm less interested in serial killers these days than I am in either one-off murders or even multiple murders, but not a serial killer. I just don't think I'm as interested anymore in that as much as people who fucking snap. I guess sociopaths and psychopaths bore me because there's no explanation. There's no understanding them.

I hate being so far away from... I hate saying, I don't understand at all how they could have done that. I want like a, well, I've been pissed off or I've been with this person who is a psychopath. I understand. That's fascinating because I'm exactly the opposite. That's why this is a perfect second to. Hello, yin and yang. Take a shot, Karen just saying something. I have to do it. It's one of my oldest habits.

I love it. Yeah, I guess I like the psychological what the hell is going on and people don't really have the answer. I like the fact that the human brain is such a mystery and what's behind everything. I don't like when the the trial is Open and close. I want it to be so complicated and so insane and weird and circumstantial and this and that that we don't really know completely and Also, it was like a temporary insanity or you know, which I don't believe in at all. But right I also like when we were talking talking about the staircase, um, stories like that. And if you haven't seen the staircase, it's a documentary series. It's amazing. And you should definitely see it if you care

about true crime, because it's, it's got everything. What I love about it is it's something great to talk about. Like everyone I know has a completely different opinion and there's still new stuff coming in. The thing about the blood spatter expert just being a complete fraud is amazing. And it's like, it's the story's always developing. Well, that's why I did like the jinx is that he killed circumstantially. He killed because the circumstances demanded it. His wife was going to leave leave him his neighbor was gonna snitch on him. His best friend was Figuring he's gonna shit out. Yeah, so he had to kill it, you know, like he didn't clearly but I love that that person's brain

Thought these ways he wasn't a psychopath who enjoyed murder. It was like this he's such a fucking Narcissist that these were the that was the means to the end But I think there's you could argue he did enjoy some of it because he was so tricky when he killed the woman who was his good friend. I can't remember her name now. That whole thing where he flew into like way Northern California and drove down. So it's like, I wasn't in Los Angeles. Like just the fact, you know, he shot her in the back of the head, meaning he couldn't look her in the face when he killed her. True.

Because there were emotions there. Yeah, he knew her and he had grown up with her. Totally. What a creep. He walked her down the aisle when she got married. Oh, shit. Yeah. So he... Little things like that, it's not like... Those little things, I think, are

the... So the serial killers, even Ted Bundy, which I read all about when are the, and the, so the serial killers, like even Ted Bundy, which I read all about when I was like 14 and like serial killer, like the occult shit, but then got older and was like, this isn't how life is. Life is ugly and weird and creepy and spur the moment and you make stupid- And Ted Bundy is beautiful. And Ted Bundy is calculated. Oh yes, like organized. Right.

Yes, yes, yes. I get it. Yeah. That makes sense. And wait, what about catalyzing? Well, I guess I was saying, like in the first pass of looking at different, all the choices we had, and I know people were posting.

So if you, whatever you find here, if it does not satisfy you, go to our Facebook page because people started posting stories, what they like. And that's always a great thing too, is that no matter what happens here, there's a bunch of options on the Facebook page. Yeah. And sometimes we'll, we'll have our murder, but the thing that we're either Karen and I are focusing on is a part of it that we find interesting. Yeah. Like we don't have, we're not going to tell you from start to finish the murder.

We can't do a seven part series. We don't have the attention span. I'm sorry, what? But I was going to say, uh, do you see how cute my cat is? I do. Oh, I'm sorry. You were serious. I thought we were both joking.

No, I'm sorry. You were serious. I thought we were both joking. No, I was just going to say, I love You Must Remember This because those ones that are like fully produced, she's got music cues, her speaking voice is perfect. The writing is amazing. Beautiful. I just keep thinking of how she's taking so much research and making it a fascinating story. She is doing a great fucking job. I just don't care about Manson. But I'm gonna listen to the whole thing

because it's still history. Right, I didn't think I cared about Manson. I started listening to it because I had a long drive home one night and I was like, I'm not gonna listen to the radio. And by the end of the first episode, I was like, I am in this, I wanna hear whatever you have to tell me.

Because she folds in all the Angela Lansbury shit that you didn't even know was in there in the first place. The connections and like why he came to LA, which is like, I didn't understand, didn't know why he came to Los Angeles and like what a little, you know, where he met a lot of the Manson followers. Yeah. Well, but the podcast I love even more because it's, there's no explanation and it's empty is someone knows something.

Did you listen to the new episode? No, I'm not caught up. My lord. Are you mad at me? No, I'm like, that was a, I can't deal with this podcast, Psy. Because it's so good. Oh, oh, don't tell me anything.

I'm not gonna tell you, but you need to listen to the, listen, if you haven't listened to Someone Knows Something, listen from the very beginning. It's the whole Season is one is about one story and it's fucking incredible. It's really good. Oh also I was gonna say Oh people were talking on the for the four minutes. I was on the Facebook page I'm just gonna keep harping on it like as if I got kicked out on a personal level But well, I did write a letter to Facebook. I was like, can you get this bitch out here? Yeah

Facebook There at one point there was a whole thread about people liking or not liking certain podcasts And I actually made this comment, but I don't think it ended up on there which has started my problem of how I ended up getting kicked off, but What I was saying is this is kind of the beauty of it. There's a million true crime podcasts to listen to and it really is like having to sit with people for an hour. So like, I remember there was a guy on the Facebook page that talked about how he didn't love our female ramblings and I could not stop laughing.

He said that? Yeah, but it was like, it was as if he liked it anyway, where I was like, well, what the fuck else is there of not female ramblings on this fucking podcast? Our ramblings of being scared of being murdered when we're walking on the street. But still, my point is that everybody's looking for a certain thing in a podcast. And so I love Last Podcast on the Left because it's all the comedy I love. I adore Henry Zabroski. Then you've got all this fucking research. There's so much takeaway. There's so many choices. So we know that when you fly, you have a lot

of choices in the air and thank you for flying with us. It is nice that you can talk about... I do like that we talk about other podcasts and how much we like them and we promote them because we're not the only ones. We're doing something very specific, I think. Yeah. And yeah. Even like, I guess, Lore, someone did last week, mine was who put Bella in the witch elm and I think they did it too. Last week? Yeah, I think so.

Wow. So, but I like- People love Lore. I keep hearing about that one. Yeah, I do too. But I guarantee it's not the same thing that we did. No, no, no. No. All right. Let's get your Banksy comment by the way, which was what was that people were doing graffiti about who put Bella in the witch elm and you go that's where Banksy started. Jesus. Oh, you. Um, okay, Karen.

Let's get into cannibalism. No, let's keep on talking about podcasting instead of actually doing it. That's what's really interesting So I'm basically saying that when I looked it's like Albert Fish check. We've we've heard about it We know about it. He's a fucking creepy old man. Then there was the guy I did. I did. Oh, did you really? No, yes. Go on. Did you really I'm sorry, but I'm sure it's gonna be great. Okay, go ahead shit Sorry, I'm sorry now. I'm afraid to say my second example, but this is I'm just saying my thinking Yeah, I was trying to be exciting. I get it. You want classic. I didn't go classic. You did a classic I basically what I was saying is I don't I didn't feel like doing the serious homework because Albert Fish killed fucking 400 people So I kind of, I summarized.

Okay, good. I went, which I think you might like because this is what you were just saying you like, kind of a one hit wonder killer. Dig it. It's the cannibal bus killer from Manitoba. And this was a thing that I remember. It happened in 2008. When it came on the news, I was by myself in my house, of course, and I was staring at the TV like, what is happening? And so here in a nutshell, if you've never heard it, it's insane.

On a gray town bus, and they were going between Manitoba and Brandon, which I believe is a very small town and it's a very long space between the two cities from what I've gathered. So not a lot of places to stop and get food. Exactly. So you're hungry. It's just all these people on this bus

and at noon a man named Vincent Lee got on the bus and he went and he sat next to a guy named Tim McLean. Tim was asleep wearing headphones, listening to music. He's a carnival worker and he was 22. And at some point, an hour into the trip, at first Lee was sitting up near the front, near the bus driver. And then he went back and sat next to McLean. Then he pulled out a machete. He started stabbing him. And he began to decapitate him. Have you ever seen a machete? No, in real life. Aren't those like really big? They're quite large. He had a concealed machete on his person.

So, okay, so he begins to decapitate him. So the bus driver, everyone of course, now this is me Filling in the blank. I would imagine started screaming. Sure, right, but she could probably do that quietly Yeah, or like you the staring or you can't scream because you can't take in No, I mean, you probably stab him machete him quietly. Oh, no. No, he didn't he didn't know cuz he was standing and Everyone was around. You know what I mean? Like it's a bus full of people. The bus driver pulls over, opens the door, everyone runs off. He there was they didn't the chronology didn't seem clear to me, but it sounded like a couple of the men and the bus driver tried to go back to do something about it. That's what I was gonna say and

The killer had decapitated him and was holding his head out It was already to count and so they got off the bus and he decapitated but was he was his head off before he died You die you die once you cut that jugular, okay, it goes very quickly also, he was stabbed in the chest and in the neck. I fucking hate cannibals. I hate this topic. It's a terrible fucking topic. And this is, I think, the worst of. I went as bad as you can go. I did too.

Yeah, yours is horrible. So let me get through mine so we can get to get through mine. No, no, no. So they lock, they close the bus doors and barricade it somehow. I think someone said that they threw up like a crowbar or something so that the bus doors wouldn't open. The fucking guy, Vincent Lee, holds out the decapitated head and there's eyewitness statements that say that he looked completely calm, like nothing was happening, and held it out. This one guy said dropped it on the ground. I don't know if that meant he held it out of the bus window and dropped it on the ground, but usually Greyhound bus windows don't work like that.

So held it out and then dropped it inside the bus or whatever. And he was completely calm while he was doing this. Completely calm. And then started banging his own head against the window really hard over and over. And so what is happening, and this is as I was putting this together, I was like, well, cops come like this is a one off, this is, you know, whatever, a crazy attack, like a berserk moment at the end. But they're so far out in the middle of nowhere.

It takes the cops. This happened. They got on the bus at noon and the cops showed up at 830 at night. So I think they were a couple like an hour or so into this trip, but like they were, they had to sit on the side of the road. What would you have done? I would have ladled so hard. Well, yeah, you just fucking go running, but you're out in the middle of nowhere. And what was that?

I don't know. Someone's getting murdered. That was a weird. I think it was laughing. It was laughing because my neighbors like to play beer pong. Oh, okay. Yeah, we're fine. Jesus Christ. So no, it was a maniacal. It sounded like a human sized chicken. It was a maniacal human chicken cackle. And I'm just picturing this. So it's like you're sitting, there's, so there's a guy having a psychotic episode dropped trapped on the bus. And so as he he's either pacing back and forth on the bus or what has, as they say in the Wikipedia article, defiling the body.

So I went into a couple articles. I know it's great, but it was over for him fast. I just, let's both hold on to that. No, there it's awful for them. It's terrible. Imagine living your life for 22 years just to be a defiled on a grayhound bus of all places. I'm sure he did other great stuff though. I mean, just to focus on that. But here's the thing. So he's either, cause let's not go too far down that because it's gonna ruin this part. I say where I say He was either pacing up and down or defiling the body which meant he poked out the eyes. Nope Uh-huh. He was cutting off body parts

When when they when the cops finally Got there and they finally think it was 1 30 in the morning when they finally the cops finally got there and they finally think it was 130 in the morning when they finally tased him because they couldn't figure out how to one point. Sorry. At one point the killer tried to drive the bus away and the bus rider driver had like a one of those things like a remote making the bus not drive away. You know those things. Where people didn't go were watching. I feel like I wouldn't watch. They said that people were sitting huddled on the side of the road, crying and vomiting. Yeah.

Freaking out. Sounds about right. But you're like kind of stuck there. I'm sure you're trying not to go away from it. And you don't know where this guy's going to go. Like, are people driving by? Can you hitchhike? I mean, maybe, but like you're also in a state of shock. That's like the craziest thing to witness close up. So when they got him off the bus, they had to bag up the body. It was badly attacked and his nose and his nose, ears and tongue was in this killer's pockets. Pockets? He'd put them in his pockets. Oh my lord. And he had also been eating him in

that period of time. And at one point he started screaming. I will be on this bus forever What was so what did we find out about him? So it turns out this was a man who had very bad schizophrenia He was a Chinese immigrant who moved to Canada Who was like a computer engineer in China moved to Canada and of course had a bunch of shitty jobs three jobs at a time, doing a lot of traveling. In 2004, he started, when he was like, I think in his early thirties, he started hearing the quote unquote voice of God. And so he had already been picked up once before for like the voice of God had been telling him to go here and go there and like the cops picked him up. So, but he didn't know what schizophrenia was. And so he was untreated

for any, any mental problem. So when this came around, he'd already been doing a bunch of weird shit. He had the machete on him. He had sold his laptop for 60 bucks to a kid at a bus stop. Well, that's how you know he's crazy. 60 bucks. It was Adele. But he and he had become convinced that God wanted him to kill because aliens were going

to attack and it was the only way that people could be saved. The voice had told him that this guy sitting on this bus, he had to be killed to save everybody else. I mean, how do you argue with that? Reality is subjective. Yeah. you with that. Reality is subjective. Yeah and he's he has no idea like he's not in anywhere close to reality anymore. Yeah there's no break and be like oh shit I'm not doing well. No no no no he's fully like doing what the voices tell

him mode. So that happened in 2008. The most recent article I found was from February 26, 2016. He has been in a mental hospital all this time, and slowly but surely since he's been on this medication, oh, when he was arrested, he just kept telling people to kill him. So he was like, he knew what he did. He like became aware slowly but surely,

or maybe that was in court, when he first appeared in court, he said, you should kill me. I want to die. Um, then I read another interview with him that was from like two years ago where someone said, are you happy? And he said, no. And then he said, I will never be happy. Um, but the most recent article with that, I can live with him never being happy. Well, how could you be? I mean, like, it's a horrifying thing.

Even if you get sane, you have the realization that you did this thing. Yes. Right, go on. So. Yeah, he's in a prison, but he just won the right to live on his own. And he's changed his name to Will Baker. Explain my face right now. Yeah, George's entire face dropped four inches when I just said he won the right to live on his own. Yeah, they in Canada, it's like basically he's slowly but surely and he's thoroughly monitored. So it just means he doesn't live in a group

home. I just rolled my eyes so hard my head hurts. I know it's you should see these Reddit com, the conversations that people are having between we, you know, mentally ill people need to be able to learn to live in reality and people going, he ate this man's eyes. Like crazy. And listen, as someone with like basic run of the mill depression and anxiety, I know that the first instinct when you start taking pills and they work is just that you say, I'm fine now. And you stop taking them. Yeah. Yes. That's, yeah, that's the instinct. And with this guy, which several people argued on Reddit, when he stops taking his pills, people get

eaten and machete on a bus. It's crazy. It's very terrible. Um, at the time, uh, Greyhound was running an ad campaign that was there's a reason you've never heard of bus rage and they had to cancel that campaign. And also bullshit from the beginning. Have you been on a fucking Greyhound? Yeah, exactly. The Greyhound is one of the scariest ways. I took one ride in my life and it was very pleasant. It was from San Francisco to here, but I fucking know how not normal that is. How old were you? 27. Because when I was like in eighth grade, I took took the Rayhan bus from Petaluma to Ukiah.

Your parents let you do that? Yeah. I think my mom thought it would be good experience or whatever, which is like, yeah, you'd think, oh yeah, nothing can happen. What would happen? Anything can fucking happen. Oh. Anything.

I mean, whatever. Especially when we clearly have known from this podcast from the beginning that everything terrible that has ever happened happens in Northern California. Yeah. That's exactly. There's like the early meth era. Oh, totally. I mean, we did meth before anybody did meth. Oh, man. You and I are like original meth heads. Which is why we got OVRIX.

OG meth crew. Yeah. Yeah. It's like b OG, meth crew. Yeah. Yeah, it's like biker meth. Totally. Crazy. And there was also, PETA tried to run an ad in the local newspaper about comparing this murder to eating animals.

And the newspaper was like, get the fuck yourself. Yeah. Which I love. Get the fuck yourself is what I'm going to say when someone sneezes from now on. Oh, the fuck yourself. Yeah, which I love yourself Did she just say she didn't just she did not say that to me And I guess in in closing and in summation If you go read the details of this there's name again so we can look it up? The killer's name was Vincent Lee L.I. is how he spells last name, L.I. But he has legally changed it to Will Baker now. And I'm sure that people are, there's death threats left, right and center for this guy.

It's such a terrible scenario. But yeah, I feel like, I was trying to suss out my feelings on it. It's like, yeah, I feel like after you machete and eat a person on a bus you don't you just don't get to ever leave a mental hospital Even if your pills work now, even if you're sad Totally, you especially if you're sad. Yeah This is okay I gotta say part of the reason I did I chose Albert Fish is because I didn't want to choose someone who's still alive Because the majority of those people who have fucking

Done this or out of prison. Yeah, and I didn't want to piss off some satanic fucking vampire cannibalist Person. Yeah, that makes sense. I highly doubt he can get a passport though So I feel really guilty about what I said about Albert Fish because I couldn't be more interested. I don't care I mean I care Are you gonna stop texting me? I need you in my life. I meant that I know that you weren't being negative about it. The reason, is there anything you want to add to that? I'm sorry I cut you off. No no no. No just you know watch out for machetes. That is a good one-off one because I do it is interesting that this person just?

They didn't just snap no No, that's untreated a mental illness advanced mental illness If you think God is talking to you if you think aliens are doing anything You need pills and we all wish aliens and ghosts existed, but you're probably just mentally ill it could be that or You need pills. Listen, we all wish aliens and ghosts existed, but you're probably just mentally ill. It could be that or look, even if they do or whatever, but if God is telling you stuff, that's when you got to,

like you really have to go to the doctor. Please. My cat tells me stuff all the time. Oh, I'm sure that's fine. But it's usually sweet stuff. Anyway, should we stop the podcast now? It's sweet stuff. Kill your neighbor.

Kill your neighbor. In the sweetest voice sweet stuff. Yeah. Kill your neighbor. Kill your neighbor. In the sweetest voice. I love you. Kill your neighbor. I mean, just horrible. So I guess I'll start with case updates. So in the episode, I mentioned that Vincent Lee won the right to live on his own in February

of 2017. Manitoba's Criminal Code Review Board granted him an absolute discharge from the facility he was living in, so he now lives independently somewhere in Manitoba, and he doesn't, he's not required to attend annual reviews or abide by conditions or anything. Canada, can you explain yourself, please? Well, they can. I mean, it's rehabilitation. Yeah, that's true.

So, it's that thing of like, I hope that's true and I hope it's working. And it's not wrong to be on the other side of it and go, what if it happens again? Right. Like, I— But that's not the point of the criminal justice system. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. I mean, of course, the witnesses, the people who were on the Greyhound bus that day, describe living with PTSD to this day, which of course they are, of course.

Tim McLean's family has brought a lawsuit against Greyhound, the Attorney General of Canada and Vincent Lee. And Tim McLean is the victim, the man who was killed. However, the last update in 2018 said that that case was in limbo and there really hasn't been much of an update since then. Now, here's one, and I wouldn't say it's like a silver lining or anything like that, but I will just point out that while we were talking about this, we brought up that PETA tried to run an ad at the time comparing this crime to eating animals. And I believe I

said, although I thought it was you, the newspaper said, go fuck yourself. And then we made a mug that said, go fuck yourself on it. And way back when, in 2016. So we are going to relaunch the go fuck yourself mug as in the original design. Yeah. So, so. Okay, so next is my story. You mentioned how everyone knows about it in the episode. Oh yeah. Which I guess like now, I was like embarrassed, but now I'm like, no, we do that now.

We tell stories that everyone knows in our own special horrible way. Yeah, we weren't breaking the Albert Fierce story, but I think that's one of those things you and I have that connection where I suddenly am saying something where you're like, that's what I'm about to say. All the people you would pick to mention, you mentioned that one. It is very, very weird. It is weird. Here's Georgia's story, Albert Fish.

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programs purpose-built for you. Visit continue.yorku.ca. All right, so I did Albert Fish because it troubled me so much when I first heard about it, because I think it was like, it was one of his first kidnapping was in 1924. So yeah, his first kidnapping was in 1924, which is like one of the earliest recorded. Nope. It's just an early kidnapping, which I'm always fascinated with vintage friends. Oh, did you think I was arguing with you? Yeah. I was going like, holy fuck. Oh, you were like, nope. I thought you were shaking your head no.

I was like, no? No, I was thinking about like that's back before. Probably most people had phones in their house, right? This is like so early days of like if a kid goes missing, they're like, they're at their friends or they... Yeah. And because especially, you know, these are all, a lot of people are immigrants, child labor is a thing. So kids, kids aren't kids, they're tiny hands to do day labor with.

It's like the dark ages. Yeah. 1924. Yeah, in New York City. So yeah, so it's actually, I'm sorry, it's Hamilton Howard, Albert Fish, born in 1870. He's known as the Grey Man, the werewolf of Wisteria, the Brooklyn vampire, the moon maniac, and the Boogeyman. Oh, he's the Boogeyman.

Yeah. I've heard a lot about him. Yes. So he was born, his mom put him into an orphanage pretty early and he was immediately treated statistically. So like he was like bred to be a serial killer. Then he began to enjoy the physical pain, which is like, oh, you're doubly so. And then he remarked on his time at the orphanage, I was there until I was nearly nine. And that's when I got started wrong. We were unmercifully whipped. I saw boys doing many things that they should not have done. I don't know what accent I was going for in that whole entire

thing. I liked it. It was, it was a light British. Thank you. It was kind of like a Catherine Hepburn thing. Oh, thank you. You know, high class. Yeah. I'm wearing pants. So okay, so there's all this. There's all I'm gonna paraphrase it. There's a lot of shit about him being

into weird stuff like drinking urine and learning about eating bodies and how good it tasted and like lots of little things like that. And as a kid, as a kid kid and as he grew up he had he had six children that he never physically attacked supposedly Wow which is bananas although he did encourage them and their friends how embarrassing would this be to paddle his buttocks with the same nail studded paddle he used to abuse himself sounds like a real fun guy like so you're at your friend's house, like, hey, come over and we'll play with this hoop and stick like we like to write 20s. And then the dad comes down, I was like, guys, come over here. Paddle my butt. Oh, with with nails in a board. How did that even? I mean,

I'm telling I'm telling telling. Yeah. Yeah. So he got into raw meat. He started suffering from psychosis. He got into raw meat. He started eating raw meat because he was like obsessed with cannibalism. He felt that God was commanding him to torture and sexually immobilize children. Ding ding. Red flag. Hey, call the cops on yourself. Well, yeah. So the murder that really stuck out for me of him that I've always was so troubled with and when I think back about murder, I think of this was Grace Budd. Basically, Fish saw a classified ad in the Sunday edition of the New York World that read, young man 18 wishes position in country. So he basically answered an ad for someone needing work in Manhattan. He visited the family under the

pretense of hiring this guy. And later he confessed that he was actually going to kill this guy. And then he met the daughter, Grace Budd, and was like, nope, gonna kill this one and eat her instead. So let's see. He met Grace and he made up a story about having to attend his niece's birthday party. And this is the fucking time they just let her go with this Nicely dressed probably old man who came to their house to Respond to a wanted ad yeah, but he had come a couple times. Okay, which is like trusted best friends Yep, and like you let your kids go places and that thing of like always trusting authority

Yeah, it's like oh, he's got a pocket watch nothing can happen yeah, well he convinced the parents to let grace accompany him to the party that evening and He grace left with fish and never returned and then he sent him a fucking letter I'm gonna read a part of it Okay So he was talking about cannibalism and about the olden days and saying that there was a famine in China the olden days and saying that there was a famine in China, meat of any kind was from $1 to $3 a pound. So great was the suffering among the very poor that all children under 12 were sold for food in order to keep others from starving. A boy or girl under 14 was

not safe in the street. You could go in any shop and ask for steak and part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be brought out and just what you wanted cut from it. This is why I had a problem with cannibalism is the majority of it was with children. Yes. Sorry, this is his letter to the family. This is word for word part of his letter. I don't think I've ever read any of this before. And then here's more.

On Sunday, June 3rd, 1928, I called on you. I brought pot, cheese and strawberries. We had lunch. Grace sat in my lap and kissed me I made up my mind to eat her on the pretense of taking her to a party. You said yes She could go I took her to an empty house in Westchester. I had already picked out There's some fucked up things about it that I I'm not reading because it really they really really troubled me more so than him eating her No

basically me, more so than him eating her. Basically, why am I reading this one? Here's the thing about Albert Fish. You read the byline of Albert Fish, which is like cannibal molested and killed 400 children or whatever that crazy number is. You're going to get to this part no matter what. He was a fucking sadist. When it comes to torture and molestation and all of this. And torturing the family. Yeah.

He wrote multiple letters to people. Kids who had kidnapped their families. A psychiatrist described him as looking like a meek and innocuous little old man, gentle and benevolent, friendly and polite. If you wanted someone to entrust your child to, he would be the one you chose. And if you look him up, which you can, there's a fucking his mug shot and a couple shots from him in the court. He looks like a little old meek man. I'm going to look him up right now.

Do it. Just so I get the visual. He boasted that he had children in every state and that one time stated that the number was about a hundred. It's not known whether he was referring to rapes or cannibalism, nor is it known if the statement was truthful. He confessed to molesting more than 400 children over 20 years and is believed to have murdered somewhere between six and 15 children. He confessed to all these and he was electrocuted. When he was electrocuted in Sing Sing, he said that the electrocution would be the supreme thrill of my life.

Just before the switch was flipped, he was an asshole. He was a fucking asshole. He was an asshole. Before the switch was flipped, he said, I don't even know why I'm here. And legend has it, and I think this isn't an alleged and this this is true that his execution took longer because he was really into stuffing needles up his penis and the numerous needles inserted into his privates disrupted the flow of electricity. How on you know how fucking orphanage and being raped and tortured as a child. Are you looking at him right now? Yeah, but there's also people... this is why I love the internet. His face is very disturbing. The eyes are dead. The eyes are no good. But then people are

making what look like inspirational posters. Because he looks like Albert Einstein a little bit. Yeah, it's like he says none of us are saints Albert fish Is the quote he's a little like he's a little Henry 40 looking exactly you wouldn't know Yeah, and he does look his his cheeks are all sunken Yeah, so he looks like he couldn't do anything to anybody looks weak totally that's Hilariously hideous man. I'm so glad we live in these these days and times when you Okay Hilariously hideous man. I'm so glad we live in these these days and times when you Okay, we're back I mean truly I think one of the worst serial killers and Stories like one of the most every page you read on our fish It gets grosser and weirder and more fucked up. But no one really talks about him because he was old.

Well, it's old timey. He was old. I think it's also the glee he does this stuff in and the joy he obviously takes from what he does is so horrific that it's made him stick around. He's on all those lists of worst serial killers of all time because of that. For sure. For sure. So not many updates, but here's a quick corrections corner. As I stated, in May of 1928, Albert Fish saw a classified ad in the Sunday edition of the New York World

in which 18-year-old Edward Budd had posted looking for work. Fish visited the Budd family pretending that he would potentially hire Edward. And during this visit, I said that he met Edward's daughter, but it was actually Edward's sister, Grace. And Grace, at the time, I didn't say it in the episode, but she was only 10 years old at the time that Fish abducted and murdered her.

And then in November of 1934, so years later, Albert Fish sent his letter to the Budd family, taunting them, which was ultimately what led police to finding him. And then he confessed to Grace's murder, and police were able to find her skull. And up until then, her family had held out hope that she was still alive. Six years. Yeah.

Horrible. That's a long time. I mean, also, it's the kind of podcast and true crime listeners know this very well where every story we go, that is the worst. Yes. That is the worst because it is the worst in this moment and how did this happen? All of that is the truth. It's just like, none of these things are comparable.

They're all these little explosions of absolute horrific human behavior. Yeah, which is somehow what we're all so fascinated about because we know it's there and we're not ready to ignore it. It would be so nice to stick our heads in the sand and be like, life is beautiful. All old men are nice little old men. It's like they're not. And this is one of the examples so you can just, I don't know, maybe prepare.

Yeah, Nazis get old. Fucking pedophiles get old. That's right. So don't always... I remember saying that to my friend once who was like really nice and she was like, oh, look at that old man. And I think I said like, pedophophiles get maybe he was a pedophile. Like why did I say that? Because I'm a murderino.

Because yes exactly you have to remind people don't if you walk through the world with that pie in the sky attitude you're next. Exactly, exactly. You got to watch that back. Okay it's time to go to the outro. Let's hear it. Oh my lord, that scared the shit out of me. Hi, Vince. Come in. Hi. We're talking about cannibals and then the door unlocked and pizza came in. Hi. That's how they get you. They open the door with a key. Karen, did that scare you?

It scared me a lot. Okay, I'm going to read you a couple things. Or should we save it for the mini-sode? No, do it. Okay. So I put, I was watching a murder show today, 48 hours on ID, and they said something that made me laugh. And so I put it on the Facebook group and I said, does this make you guys laugh?

What makes you laugh? And it was that they quote said, life seemed to move a little slower there when they were describing the town in which this like fucking grisly murder happened. And I'm like, well, if life seems to move a little slower in your town, chances are someone's gonna get murdered.

And I said, well, there are other classic triggers. And here's what some people wrote. So like the things that they say in these murders. So think of this as in Keith Morrison Morrison's voice. Quiet and unassuming means they're going to be killing people. He mostly kept to himself is deaf, a murderer. Yeah, this is what people wrote. She lit up a room when she walked in. You're going to get murdered. He was such a nice guy totes murderer. She really did get along with everyone. Murdered, murdered, vivacious, murdered, full of potential, murdered

as hell. Unassuming equals assume murder. Very successful father plus charity volunteering, tennis playing mom equals one of the kids is gonna off them for the money. Yeah. She had everything going for her. If someone has suffered years of bad luck and shitty life circumstances only to find that lately everything is working out

and that life is indeed worth living, murder. Murder. Quote, from the outside it was picture perfect equals dad is stealing money and everyone is about to be murdered. If she loves to run, she's going to get murdered. Like jogging.

She had just turned her life around. She got off drugs, got sober and got a very good job equals she's a goner. If he'd give you the shirt off his back, he's going to get murdered. Yeah he is. Someone wrote whirlwind romance equals Molly, you in danger, girl. Instant best friends with everyone. Never met a stranger means every, it says every dateline opening ever. Never met a stranger.

Meet a fucking stranger right now. Yeah, you do it all. You know what? You should meet strangers. You're an idiot. Someone says, it was such a nice night for sleeping with the windows open. And then I'll read one more. Oh, he loved her very much and wanted to show her the view from his favorite mountain peak slash hiking trail. So that your smile better not light up a room. That's so true. My version of that, but it's not going to be the poetic version, but it's

just basically the guy that's the doctor. Any doctor on any of their shows. Yeah, always the doctor. They always kill everybody. They're like super nice doctor with the rich wife. Maybe she comes from a rich family and like why are you getting in debt? the rich wife. Another the maybe she yeah maybe she's comes from a rich family and like why are you getting a medical school? Yes. Yeah. And then he's got now he's got a 21 year old and he's gonna kill his wife. If one of you got if one of the married couple got the other one into debt. The one who got into debt is gonna kill the other one. Yes.

The one who owes. Yep. Yep. Does the deed. Yeah. Why not? Just kill them. So that means everyone get into debt before your loved one can. So they will kill you. It's a race to the bottom. If you're worth nothing to them, why would they kill you? And ask for no money when you divorce them. Otherwise you're going to die. That's hilarious. This is what we learneded that's like the city confidential isn't on anymore But that's I used to love that one because the narrative is like it was a sleepy little towel Enclave it was an enclave. It was an enclave and he always sounded a little drunk, which I loved That was that guy that was from Star Wars. Um, what's it really? Yes

Well, should we tell everyone where to find us? Yes. Okay. We are at, what's your address? My home address is Karen Kilgarafe at Twitter. Karen Kilgarafe at Twitter, G Hardstock at Twitter, we're at My Fave Murder. My Fave Murder. At Twitter. And then you can email us your hometown murder, which we're probably going to do a little episode eventually of a bunch of your stories at MyFavoriteMurder.gmail. And please join the Facebook group at MyFavoriteMurder. Facebook group. I don't know. It's a closed group, so you have to join to fucking get into the murder action. Oh, and here's an important thing that was making me laugh.

People wrote this a lot. If you are from Canada or the UK or Europe of any kind, there's no you in favorite. You fool. People kept writing. Well, I didn't realize you had spelled favorite incorrectly. Incorrectly. Yeah, fair enough. We spelled it second, so. All right. So before we get to potential titles, let's plug some merch. Wanna? Oh, right. So if you want to get the G'Fuck Yourself mug, and you know you do, go to MyFavoriteMurder.com. If you wanted it back then and you didn't get it, if you're among the 2200, we should

just start calling them the Facebook 2200. If you were a day one listener and that was merch you couldn't get at the time, we're going to slowly re-release merch. Yeah. Go to myfavoritemurder.com, to the store. Actually, the Facebook 2200 would be a good title for the episode. Oh, yeah. What's some others? What are some other titles for this episode? How about Science Podcasting?

When I said that you needed to listen to 911 calls and that's when I think I learned that you fucking can't. And it was for the Facebook group for science. Yeah, for science. Georgia then said, do you see how cute my cat is? Which is, would be a great title. And it's kind of the theme of this separate from true crime kind of the theme of this podcast.

There's so many. There's the cats. Yeah, it's so true. Female ramblings. Oh my god. Yeah, we kind of already did that in this rewind episode. That's true. Thank you for flying with us. Oh, when I was basically saying there's plenty of true crime podcast options out there. Thank you. And then there's no, oh yeah, we told all the people internationally that there's no you in favorite, which was so actually when we went to Albert Hall in London, fucking epic location, when we drove by we were so excited because they had written my favorite murder on the marquee with the you and we were like so into it.

And then I guess when they found out that we said that, they changed it. And I was like, I really wanted a photo of that. Yeah. That was the Albert Hall experience. I can remember almost every moment of it and how doing Jack the Ripper, this slow sliding feeling of this was a gigantic fucking mistake. No, it wasn't.

It was great. It was great. It was just, you know, Albert Hall. Come on. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for listening to another episode of Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

We are actually enjoying doing these. I know. All right. Well, thanks for listening to another episode of Rewind with Karen and Georgia. We are actually enjoying doing these. I know. Well, it's kind of, it's the thing we like. We're just like, oh, this is hard and weird and uncomfortable. We're going to be doing a bunch more. Yeah. And instead of like worrying about our wrongs that we did, we can actually write them a little bit. Well, we can talk about them.

Yeah. We can apologize to Coolop. I mean, first of all, you know she would not give a shit. She was probably like, I knew you didn't mean me. She's that kind of person. I've never listened to your podcast. Exactly. She's like, I've never heard about this. Don't worry about it.

It does feel good to be able to like sweep up that rapper, things like that. That's what it is. If you like this podcast, rate, review, and subscribe and maybe we'll be number 75 on that comedy podcast chart someday. And until then, stay sexy. And don't get murdered! Goodbye. Goodbye.

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