My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 2: My Second Best Murder

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

It’s time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia! Let’s go back to January 22, 2016 and join Karen and Georgia for a listening party featuring favorite moments, case updates and all new commentary. In this episode, Karen covers Paul Bernardo, the Scarborough Rapist and Georgia shares the story of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy. Now everyone can be a day one listener! Head to social media to share your favorite moments from Episode 2 of My Favorite Murder. Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder   Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurder TikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder  Now with updated sources and photos: https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes/rewind-with-karen-georgia-episode-2-my-second-best-murder My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. The Exactly Right podcast network provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedy, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is exactly right. I'm journalist Becky Milligan, host of The Butterfly King, a World War II murder mystery podcast on Exactly Right. It's a cruel tale of a doomed royal dynasty. When King Boris of Bulgaria dies suddenly in 1943, every nation is a suspect. Join me as I unravel 80 years of lies and cover-ups to get to the truth. Who killed the Butterfly King? Binge all eight episodes of The Butterfly King. Available now wherever you get your podcasts. Hello. Guys, this is Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

We are, it's a little something new for all the murderinos out there. It's a little look back onto our past. We're going back to our first episodes and we're going to add in all new commentary to our favorite moments from the episode. Also our corrections corners, case updates, just a lot of shit talking. Yeah. Basically, we've been doing this so long that it's fun to look back at how different we were at the very beginning. We were very different. We were very ignorant. And we have

learned a lot along the way. We were green. Right? And there's people who say this podcast has been going on so long that it's too late for them to get into it. We're here to say that's not true. That's right. So now you can invite your doula. Or your creepy cousin.

Your tattooist to listen along with you and to get a feel for the beginning so that they can catch up. I mean, now everybody can be a day one listener. That's right. So right now, we're going to take you back. We're going to rewind it all the way back to January 22, 2016. We're in George's apartment.

We're podcasting. There's no research. There's no documents. There's no sources. No one's written anything on a piece of paper. There's giggling during horrible talk, which we don't do anymore. Yeah.

There's a lot of early days behavior. Yeah, hold on to your butts. Here's episode two. Enjoy. Hey, welcome to My Favorite Murder. Hey, I'm Karen. I'm Georgia. And we love murder.

We love murder. We don't want to get murdered. We love true crime. We love true crime. We love to talk about bad things that have happened to good people. Yep. Hopefully they won't happen to us if we talk about it enough. It's as if we could ward it off with just our

With our positive verbal energies and our anxiety over getting murdered Because sometimes when you share an anxiety it it alleviates it a little bit Yeah, I think it also lessens the chance of it happening. That's right. We're really we're changing the future with our words Georgia was very harsh with me when I arrived at her apartment. She said, have you been watching that? And I said, don't talk about it. Have you been watching? I barely had the word watching out and she screamed, don't talk about it, but didn't explain that she wanted to save it for the podcast. It was as if this was a forbidden subject. Like I literally was like, never talk about it. Like how I am with Sex and the City. Don't talk about it in front of me.

Oh, you don't want a spoiler? Is that why? Right. Ever in my life. I want to keep that pure for the rest of my days. You've never done one episode? I saw part of once when they went to LA and it really depressed me. Fair enough. Okay.

Let's talk about it. Okay. I meant, I meant we'll save it for the show. Okay, this is the show Okay, there's I just started watching it yesterday. Mm-hmm. Same with me. What episode are you on? Two okay. This is fun cuz I'm on like it just we just finished three. Okay, the show we're talking about is Making of a murder making a murder making a murderer on Netflix it's like think the jinx but fucking better yeah do you love it I it's amazing but what I think is amazing is we are truly now in this era where everyone's life has been

recorded in some way because there is so much footage of that guy so much so much footage and you realize it's because that's how everything works these days. Yeah, but he was also in the news, like for the past 18 years. Yes. So the story is that and it's really funny because this story, there's two separate stories here, one of which the murder I already knew about. So as soon and I didn't realize that that's what was going on until they started talking about the murder. So the first episode,

which I thought was a standalone thing, I thought they were just going to talk about like, people who got exonerated. The first episode is the story of this guy, Stephen Avery getting- Spoilers. Yeah, but you're going to see the first episode. It's fine. He gets exonerated for rape after 18 years in prison. And kind of finding out that he's been railroaded by his own cousin and the people that live in his community.

It's one of those like, it's like the West Memphis three where it's like, how the fuck did this get as far as it did? One of those like, these guys clearly, a huge miscarriage of justice. This is terrifying. We could go to prison at any moment for anything. Yeah. Well, yes, because it's that freaky thing of like, as you pull back and realize this is happening all over the country, all over the world, where people in power, it's

an abuse of power and people just doing whatever they want to do. Totally. There's these amazing interviews. Oh my God, all the depositions. There's like hundreds of hours of depositions. And it's these people that I swear to God, if it was a sketch show, you'd be like, that guy's too broad. Totally. Like the, the mealy-mouthed district attorney guy with the little glasses and the kind of

perfectly balding head that was like, they are so depressing. Like this, they are the reasons I point to all of them that I never want to work in an office job again, if I can save myself, because those are the people you work with and you fucking hate them. And more so for me is watching people lie. It's so fascinating because you can smell a lie. It doesn't matter how you think you might be good at it or whatever. People know you're lying. Who do you think you are? Everyone knows you're lying.

And that one sheriff who is kind of big with the mustache that did the drawing. Yes, who did a drawing and got them framed like a fucking disgusting like he's the guy who goes hunting and gets like and like kills an animal with like a shot to the head and then frames it on his wall. Crazy I mean like just the the level of smugness and and the way that guy would talk what I made me love that. He talks like I'm you're stupid I am so much smarter than you I'm gonna act like it. And he's talking to a lawyer that's deposing him and a lawyer who gets paid to argue. So the guy's like, let me finish.

The lawyer ends up feeling like a teacher and this guy's like, I don't remember that. Such a smug piece of shit. So many lies. Yeah, he's just all of it. It's so gross. And then it turns into, and I think we could talk about the crime because this is A murder that we probably would have eventually gotten to because it's stuck with me for so it's stuck with me Because of what this woman went through the torture that she went through. Oh, no, did you ever hear about it before?

I don't know because I'm I'm like right in the part where they're looking for her I mean, obviously, no, she's do you remember there was one where she gets kidnapped and tied up and the nephew and this guy raped and tortured her? I remembered it from the, because of the nephew part. So when that started happening and they start talking about it around the third episode, I was like, oh shit. And then his nephew comes in. So I'm like, well, this is, then he did it because I remember this murder. But they get to it. It's crazy. So wait, basically, you're remembering a thing that you saw in like a 2020 style thing, but it was wrong?

I don't. Well, that's what we're that's what we're examining. Okay, is that he commit this murder or did they set him up because this guy, Stephen Avery is now suing the shit out of the county that put him in jail wrongfully and are they setting him up because this woman disappeared? Right. Are they setting him up for the murder? Yeah. That's like the question they're going to answer.

I'm positive they are and I'm only halfway through the second episode. It's great. And it's wonderful because it's one of those things with serial where episode to episode you're like, he's guilty. He's not guilty. He's guilty. And the reason they found out about it is because the nephew confessed and you're like, he's guilty. He's not guilty. He's guilty. And the reason they found out about it is because the nephew confessed. And you're like, well, then he did it. And then they show you, they have footage of the nephew confessing. And it is troubling. Like

when you say, I can tell people are lying. He's lying. This kid is making this shit up. And it's a false confession. But is it? I don't know. I'm sorry. That is it. I'm sorry. But it's that weird thing where also it's so much easier when you're watching a documentary and going like, look at this guy. So it's been laid out for me. Like if they were manipulating me to not like people or like people, I fall for that stuff every single time. Totally. Totally.

Every time. You know what's really funny too is, I mean, this will come out later, but people, I bet a lot of people will have watched it by the time. Yes actually comes Well, what's fun is it's not episodic. You can go binge the fuck out of it right now. Yeah, it's all on there That's the best but it seems like a bunch of people did that because it was like a Wildfire totally people on Twitter being like making of a murder like yeah all of a sudden in a five-hour block Everyone was tweeting that they were watching it. It was weird. Is that smart? Like I feel like episodic makes people more into something. Maybe. It makes you smarter?

No, it makes people more into something. Oh, like yes, because you just sit in your house and watch it all day and it like becomes your life. Totally. Like now that Fargo's over, what am I going to watch? For real. God bless Fargo, right? Gorgeous. The greatest. If Kirsten Dunst doesn't win all the awards, even like the ones that don't make any sense,

I'm going to be bummed. Did I already brag to you that I know the casting director? No. Because she goes to my dog park? No. Yes, we became dog park friends. And then after chatting, and she's just a total like one of us kind of gal. Oh my God.

And turns out that, and so we have each other's phone numbers like to text because everyone's want to be like, Oh, text me if you're going to go. Yeah. So we'll be at the dog park at the same time. Holy shit. Text me if you're going to go bring Kirsten Dunst. The first episode I watched I text her I'm like, this show is amazing. Yeah.

Because I was, I loved the first season and I was like, there's no way the second season is going to be as good. And it was like, so good. So good. So good. So good. So yeah, everyone go watch, what is it? Making of a Murderer? Making of a Murderer. Making of a Murderer. Tell us about it. Oh, I made us a Facebook fan page. Not fan. I made my favorite murder a Facebook page. Nice. So everyone go on there and talk about that and tell us your town murder, all this stuff.

Yes. We want to know what happened in your town that you've been talking about since you were 10. We want to know your Facebook murder, your favorite murderer. What? Could be the Facebook murderer. What if there was a Facebook murderer? Oh, there's a Craigslist murderer. Yeah. Not a Facebook.

Because it's so low rent. Wow. Yeah. Not a Facebook. Because it's so low rent. Wow. Yeah. We loved Facebook. Facebook. Oh my God. Like that was as big as I thought it would get as a Facebook page.

So I was like, I'm going to do this. And it turned out to be, as the kids say, a dumpster fire. I mean, it ended up being... In the early days. We used to have some fun on that Facebook page It was really great. Thank you to Steve and Ray Morris and to the moderators for Curating this beautiful little thing it could only last so long. Yeah, it's the that's the way of The internet basically but we had mods but at the end there when that Facebook page had tens of thousands of people on it, we had mods that were working constantly, that voluntarily. Although I will say, I was going to say for nothing, but we did invite them to our live shows.

Oh, yeah. So that was our give back. We were like, please, you know, let us get you a ticket for a live show near you. But ultimately, the Facebook page had to end. And it ended kind of, I do want to say, it ended very unceremoniously. We didn't talk to the mods about it. We just shut the page down. I mean, I think it was our first kind of panic of this podcast.

First of many things that we would panic about that we didn't really know how to handle. Especially with something like a person being accused of racism, which it overtly was racism. Yeah, absolutely. But it was also the 4th of July, so everybody was away from their computer that like was in quote unquote in charge. I can't even remember that. Oh, I remember because then when I went back to work, all of a sudden I was getting these messages that were the same message over and over, which is very interesting to me.

Your Facebook page is a dumpster fire. Well, yeah, if we keep doing these rewinds, we're gonna get to that day and we can talk about it. It was bad, but it's just kind of a funny, like it is a little bit of a horror movie to be like, listen to us talk about Facebook so much. I know, oh, we were so naive. We're like, yeah, we're like the girl in the shower

in the beginning of the horror movie who's just like so doesn't know what's happening. She's shampooing and conditioning. She doesn't care. Oh my God. Okay. And then we, and then you tell your story first. One of my first great failures on this podcast

and it's only episode two. Yet somehow you pull it off. I swear. Let's listen to Karen's story. She does Paul Bernardo and Carla Homolka. This podcast is brought to you in part by Squarespace. Hey, Canada, this is Georgia and I have to come clean. Turns out I don't know everything, but if you want to talk cats, I'm your girl.

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Yeah. This is one of the ones where I've done less research on it, but I know the story in my heart. Totally. These are more fun. It's a murder of my heart, but it's the Paul Bernardo, Carla Homolka, husband and wife murder team, where it was in, I believe it was Toronto? Yes. And in the early 90s.

And it was a weird power, abusive relationship. And he basically got his wife to help him lure teenage girls into their home so that he could rape them and ultimately murder them. And they started off with her younger sister. I remember. I love this one. It's so crazy. They drugged her younger sister who was like 14. They put drugs in her drink and then like they roofied her and then he raped her and she videotaped it. This is her younger sister. Her younger sister. You thought Canada was all maple syrup and politeness. Totally. And there's one exception to that rule and it's Paul Bernardo. But the reason I like

this, aside from the insanity of that part where they would drive around looking for teen girls. It's so scary because you think like you see a woman and you're like, I'm safe. Like, if something is like, let's say for some reason I was hitchhiking, which I would fucking never do because I'm terrified of murder. But it happened that I was and a couple stops I'd be like this is okay because the woman's here Yes, so he's not gonna murder me with his like wife or whatever Which is that's how you know the story of the woman who in the box. Oh my god Georgia, the way you just did that. I wish you guys could have seen. You practically winked at me. You're like, yep. Say no more. This is a day where Georgia knows everything

I'm going to say to her. I do. But that girl, the woman got into the car because it was a couple in the front seat. And then they put her head in a carpeted box. How terrifying. So awful. And then they ended up keeping her in a box undered box. How terrifying. So awful and then they ended up keeping her in a box under the bed for seven years. And then they tied her up.

Did you see the photo of her tied up from her trial? No. They don't show her face, but she's like splayed naked. And you know what the most fucked up thing about that story is, is that they brought her home to her house to be like, look, she's fine everyone. Yeah. Right? Yep.

And that in and of itself was this big, a huge thing for him because he had her so brainwashed. And that idea that like, there's a syndicate that's out to get you so you can't go anywhere. You can't tell anybody. He told her that he made her sign a thing. Yeah. That said the company. I think he called it the company. The company.

I mean, would you, you want to be like, I would never believe that as soon as I, I've actually, I thought that these, like, I would just called it the company. The company. I mean, would you, you'd want to be like, I would never believe that as soon as I, I've actually, I thought that these, like, I would just start screaming the minute I got in the door of my family's house. Cause he was like, look, we're dating, everything is normal. So you can stop looking for her. But he broke her. He broke her. He broke her in the, on the deepest psychological level. It can't be that hard when you're putting someone in boxes to break them. It actually isn't, I don't think you, if feed people only sugar, don't let them sleep, make them jump around. That's how cults do it.

Sugar? Really? That's like a... Yeah. That's how the moonies would do it. Why? Just because your brain is... If you don't have enough protein and you only eat sugar, then you have these weird energy bursts and you do a lot of crazy stuff and then you are exhausted, but then they wake you up at three in the morning. Yeah. Do a weird... I'm putting myself in a cult then because I have just constantly...

I mean, cookies, am I right? It is crazy. I need to eat more protein. Yes. So anyway, but here's my twist-a-roo. That's kind of a hometown story. So Paul Bernardo was the husband of this hideous. They of course eventually caught him. But when they caught him they in taking his DNA, they linked him to a long

standing set of unsolved rapes. They were calling them they're calling him the Scarborough rapist. And it was from a certain neighborhood in Toronto, right? I keep thinking it might be Montreal. It's Canada. I'm pretty sure it's Toronto, but let us know if I'm wrong. Yeah. Always. On the Facebook page. Give me a thumbs up if I'm wrong. But so the Scarborough rapist was, people were terrified.

It went on for years. Scarborough, New York? No, no, no. In Canada. In this part of, sorry, this is the one thing I didn't look at. I'm pretty sure it's a neighborhood of Toronto. But so my friend Paul Greenberg, who you might know him from that one year that Neil Patrick Harris hosted the Emmys and he

walked out behind him and just stood and stared. Why did he do that? It was a bit. Oh, okay. He's a writer and he's a comic. He's really funny. So anyway, he told me this story and this is my favorite. So the years before, Paul Bernadero and his wife started killing young girls for his pleasure. There was a Scarborough rapist. And so Paul's mother was at the time, I guess, in her seventies, probably. And she lived in an apartment building that

had a swimming pool at the top. And she's a really good artist. And so she would go up and swim laps every day and she's retired and I think she lived by herself. Anyway, one day she's up there swimming laps and a young man comes out onto the roof and she doesn't really think much of it. She's swimming laps and then she notices that he's walking along the pool as she's swimming laps. Oh my God, like lapping. Like lapping with her walking back and forth. And so she looks up and sees it and there's no one else up there.

That's threatening. So she just keeps swimming laps and he's tracking her and staring at her. And she's like, you know, an elderly woman swimming. And he's just like, she said it was the scariest thing ever. And then she didn't know what to do. At one point she was just treading water and staring she didn't know what to do. At one point, she was just treading water and like staring and didn't know what to do. And then the door burst open and like three families came out and you know, came to use the pool and all the kids jumped in the pool and she left. Okay. So she got out of the pool, put on a towel. That's really important. I was scared she was.

I slipped on some flip flops and she went down to her apartment and drew a picture of his face. She knew she had to do it while she remembered it. So then she put the picture, she called the cops. They said, you know, it's like a complaint or whatever. And then however many years it was later, let's say three or five, when they showed Paul Bernardo on the news for this husband and wife killing thing, the mom walks over and pulls the picture out of the drawer and it's him. It was Paul Bernardo that was doing that. And then later on with DNA, they linked him.

Did she call him and was like, listen dudes. At that point, at that point they had, I think they'd already figured out that he was also the Scarborough rapist. Holy shit. I mean, certainly not how Keith Morrison would have done it. That's all I'm saying. No, but you, you basically told a friend's anecdote about the story. So it was still riveting and new information, but there wasn't a lot of other information. And you ended up

redoing it later, right? I did. When we were in Toronto. Right. Because it was so, I mean, and this was that this is very much the, we didn't really understand the concept of our podcast. Yeah. And we didn't we thought we were the only ones paying attention to it. Totally. So it is that thing of like, oh, I know that. Yeah, that's a crazy story.

I know it. And then it's like, no, no, you don't. You're just having a cocktail party conversation. Right. It's a different thing. That's exactly what it was. A cocktail. Yeah, totally.

That's we kind of started thinking that's how we were going to do it. And slowly but surely it was, a cocktail. Yeah, totally. That's what we kind of started thinking. That's how we were going to do it. And slowly but surely we're like, we cannot do this. This is not, this is awful. Yeah, we have to give information. Oh, so here's a couple updates. Oh, yeah. Paul Bernardo is still alive.

He's still in prison. He gets a new parole hearing every two years, that's Canadian law, but it's of course very unlikely he'll ever be released because of it. He's infamous in Canada, obviously. There was outcry from victims' families when he was transferred to a medium security prison, but they upheld it. That's crazy. That guy is so dangerous.

He is a serial rapist. Yes. Berserker. He's a predator. Yeah. Like the word medium security should not be anywhere near his name. It really shouldn't.

It doesn't make a ton of sense. No. No new updates from Carla Homolka. She basically moved away and started over. Yeah. So kind of eerie ending. So eerie. For that.

Definitely. Now here's George's story. Here's my story. Okay, my favorite murder. Okay. This is, it's like a, it's not as interesting, but it's my favorite because I feel like it changed the course of history so drastically that everything would be different today. Lincoln's assassination? No, but not far from that. Okay. All right.

I think our world would be such a better place if this person hadn't been killed. Robert F. Kennedy. Because he was a good person and a darling. JFK was just a fucking flashy playboy. But RFK... Hot take, Georgia. Yeah. It makes me so sad that he was killed and and I don't think there was a conspiracy even though There's they're trying to make a million conspiracies of it. There's the girl in the polka dot dress Do you remember that thing where they say there's a girl in a polka dot dress who was mind controlling him? What's the mind control thing that they call MK ultra MK ultra and she she

Mind controlled sir. Hun sir hon to shoot Robert F. Kennedy and ran out. Someone said she ran out of the Ambassador Hotel where he was killed screaming, we shot him. No one ever found her. Yeah. But if you were some kind of a super deep agent in the MKUltra program, would you yell that? Yeah, Frank, you think you have a little more control over it. I think you'd be better at your job than that. That's a really good point. You can do all of these things, but yet you start screaming.

You snap. I mean, that's an interesting... I mean, I don't put it past anything that kind of things that have gone on governmentally. Sure. thing that the kind of things that have gone on governmentally sure I believe in all of those I believe in the idea that they were trying to train people to be like sleeper murderers just like would wake up and shoot somebody yeah like Manchurian candidates now because they do you fucking hear Mike can we say you're that's my fucking cat screaming in the other room and this is why I can't sleep at night.

Maybe your cat's in pain. She's not. I've taken her to the doctor multiple times. She's fine. She's fucking fine. She's an idiot. Is she screaming we shot him? She's in a Pokemon outfit.

Is she the sleeper agent that we've been fearing all along? Probably. She's already Ruining my life that you know what if they could control cats that would be it. I mean it would be over cutest army The other thing is she probably if you're gonna think about it. She wouldn't have worn a polka-dots Like why would you wear something so like easily explainable right you'd wear a black dress you'd wear Pants and it's. You would look normal. There are so many ways to blend in that's not- Polka dots.

Polka dots always says, hey, look at Minnie Mouse over here. Have fun. Polka dots, white gloves. I'm here to have fun. It's me, the town slut. I'm here for the shooting. So you really think who do they pick and why just like maybe criminals that no one will believe anyways? Could be that.

Could be like, you know, Jason Bourne style, you were already in the army and then you got pulled into some kind of special program. And they just began so much LSD for so long that your brain is as mush. Yeah. Yeah. That would suck. I know it would be crazy. But also it's weird that like, I don't

know. All of that stuff is so crazy because it's like who is it the government or is it the mafia or is it the Kennedys have not had a good time of it in terms of being murdered. Yeah, but I think I don't know. Are they are they all just like, I think everyone in a public place in government is just a fucking puppet. Sure. So it's the rich, big business people behind the scenes. Right. You know?

The Dow Chemical family, the guy from Fox Catcher. Oh my God, totally him. Did you watch the movie Bored the Shit Out of Me? But then I watched the 30 for 30. Do you ever watch those? Yeah. About it. And you're like, oh, this was so perfect and correct and right. And it's fucked up. It's better than the movie. Oh, I have to see that. I loved that movie. I was bored.

And maybe because I went by myself and when I go see movies by myself, it makes me feel like I'm French or something. I get real stuck up about myself and like, I'm doing something. Well, you're not, you're going to see a film. That's right. Not a movie. It's not a movie. It's a film. Well, I had no idea what to expect.

Vince was like, there's something about wrestling. And I was like, okay. And like I went and I was like, this is the most boring. I got to know. I think the half the audience in the theater when I went thought it was supposed to be a Steve Carell comedy. So they only laughed when he brings the trophy and he's like, I have a trophy now, mother or whatever. He did some weird speech and everyone's like kind of laughed, but they were just confused the whole time.

Oh my God. They were watching a movie, you were watching a film. I was there for the film in my red polka dotted dress. It's good. You should watch the 30 for 30 of it. Okay. Yeah. Am I allowed to do boring murders like that? No. Yes. Because it's, it's more of the concept of it. Like what was he up to that they needed to take him out? Well, here's the thing is the reason sir. But see, the problem with me is that I have is that the reason Sirhan Sirhan who was arrested and is in prison for life for it, killed him, makes complete sense. Whereas like, what's his little squirrely name who killed-

Leigh Harvey Oswald. Leigh Harvey Oswald. It's like, it doesn't really sound like. So Sirhan, RFK was a supporter of Israel. Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian Jordanian immigrant. And the day that RFK was killed was on the anniversary of the start of the Six Days War. So he killed RFK for his support of Israel. Well, but there's got to be, the weird thing is, didn't that guy work at the hotel? No. Oh, he didn't? Wasn't he the busboy?

I thought he was at least dressed up like a busboy. Oh, he didn't. Was that maybe the busboy? I thought he was like, at least dressed up like a busboy. Maybe. There are people who have dedicated their lives to studying this shit. And they hate us so much. Didn't that happen at a hotel? Listen, we here at My Favorite Murder, we're fucking talking mad shit. And if you want something more than that, then you need to go watch the documentary. Then read your books.

Yeah. Like we're not pretending to be good talkers. No. So yeah. And then there's also a theory that if you listen to the recording, there are more than eight shots fired, which Sirhan Sirhan only had a gun, a 22 caliber with eight rounds in it. Wow. But you can hear like up to 13 maybe. So maybe there's a second shooter. Well it sounds like there would have to be unless there was echoing. But I just feel like if you watch documentaries about RFK, his stance on racism and what he was doing for the poor and for minorities was

so extreme from anything we've ever treated people before. I think our world would have been a fucking much better place. I think that honestly, like, I think that there was a break in the space time continuum and everyone else, when he didn't die, got to live in a great fucking world and we're stuck in this bullshit where he got killed. Wow. I really do think there was like a, what do they call them? Alternate reality. Alternate reality.

A sliding doors during Gwyneth Paltrow. Yes, Gwyneth Paltrow, we got stuck with her in this one. And then the other one, there's no Gwyneth Paltrow. And the other one at Sandy Bullock the whole time. Yeah, all Sandy Bullock all the time. All the good times. Life is all Sandy Bullock all the time. All the good times. Life is better and here we are.

Well, that's dark, but I kind of- Thank you. I like the concept of it. Imagine a world where somebody, a leader who actually really did have the people's best intentions of her got through, because that almost seems impossible these days. I think he had that and I think we didn't deserve it and he couldn't live because we didn't fucking deserve it. I'm such a good person.

Not you and I. Clearly you and I are like the best, right? I'm super nice to everybody all the time. Are you? I'm really understanding. Go patient. I'm so patient. I'm so patient and kind. I don't care when people drive like shit.

I won't scream at them. I don't scream terrible things out the window of my car at people or at others. We don't sit at a diner and talk shit on every single person. Oh my God. Is it time? It's around time. Here's our second podcast, Diner Time, where we talk public mad shit. Where we don't know we're mic'd and we just talk shit on every single person.

That would be, I feel like, I can't believe that hasn't happened yet. Just truth. Just like a, well, I mean, I think there are some people that do podcasts mistakenly, but the idea of that, a gossip podcast where people just talk shit. Wouldn't you listen to it every, if they put out five a week, you'd listen to everyone? Yeah. But can we be anonymous and no one knows who we really are? Well, we can.

It's too late for us. Well, maybe two other random girls having a podcast on Feral Audio. Isn't that weird? And it's just these two anonymous girls and they talk mad shit. They sound a lot like Karen. Those girls from Ohio? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, those girls. They're bitches. Let's talk shit about those girls. Let's Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those girls, they're bitches. Let's talk shit about those girls. Let's talk shit. Mad shit. Okay, yeah. So those are two good ones. Those are pretty good ones. Here's the first thing I thought of when you said Robert Kennedy. Uh-huh. You know how he had a hand in shutting down that, I shouldn't get into this one because it's a whole other topic.

Say it quick. It's a, I think it was called Westbrook or Brookhaven or Sunnybrook or whatever, but it's that mental hospital that's on Long Island or Staten Island, I mean, that got shut down in the 60s because they were basically just taking just developmentally disabled children and throwing them into big dark rooms. Oh my God. And hosing them off every day. And like it was, I think it was one of her Aldo's first expose.

Yes. He went in there. I remember that. And they like on the single light on the camera, it looks like a horror movie from today where it's just kids huddled up. And when Robert Kennedy saw that he went and shut that place down himself. the camera. It looks like a horror movie from today, where it's just kids huddled up. And when Robert Kennedy saw that, he went and shut that place down himself. That's the first thing I thought of. But that's where they think there's a serial killer that lives on

the grounds of that hospital. There's a, what's it called? Something C. Yes, there's a- Clancy. Clancy or something like that. What's it called? I know it. I've watched the movie. There's a Netflix. It's so good. It's really good. It's called Stoxxy. Cropsy. Cropsy. That's it. It's really good and creepy. Remember a word with Karen and Georgia. Sound it out and work it out.

It's the Banksy. Oh my God. We just saw who Banksy is. Banksy's Cropsy. Banksy's killing developmentally disabled children on Staten Island. Yeah, that's some fucked up shit. And unfortunately, they also then like Reagan and Nixon just opened the fucking asylums and let everyone go, which is why we have this homeless problem and mental illness issue. My mom was a psychiatric nurse. And she in the late 70s and early 80s when that proposition came up. It was Reagan. It was Reagan. Sorry, sorry Nixon. Nixon was

long gone. But she used to rant about it every single night and she called exactly what's happening today. She's like, these people will have nowhere to go. They will be wandering on the streets. They'll be assaulting people, they'll be like these people need to be taken care of and this is the coldest like the idea that a leader would be like, that you don't take care of the people that need help the most and you just shut off all funding for that and say it's not our problem. Yeah. Creates such huge problems. Listen, I'm going to say it right now.

I would rather pay more taxes to get people mental fucking help and not have as much money myself than live in a world where we don't fucking take care of people and there are just rampant mental illness and homeless and starving people. And that idea of it's too bad for you, like I got mine. When how did you even get yours? People helped you. Right. Totally. Horrible. Everything is horrible. And if RFK hadn't died, that would have never fucking happened. That could have changed. What if he went and fist

fought Reagan? And that was like, it was an actual battle. I did not hear fist fought. I heard something totally else and I just can't give it to myself. That's what I just heard when you said it. I was like, why'd she say that? But it's what you thought what I said. You said fist fought. Past tense of fist fight is what I said. That's not what I heard. Oh, yeah. They should have fought. They should have fist fought. They should have fist fought. Where am I? Yeah, in an alternative universe, though, there is just the most beautiful asylums and

we go there sometimes when we just need a break. Yeah. You know? They're all garden and rest. Yeah. And everyone knows how to properly prescribe medication. And the medication is free? Flowing, overflowing, just bowls of medication everywhere. Like fountains. Fountains of Prozac. I'll take it. Open my mouth, just like stick my

head under the... I'd get some. Sure. Just relax. Yeah. There's the Adderall fountain to never abused. Isn't that great? Everyone graduates from college. Oh, drugs. Okay, so when I listen to this again for the Rewind episode, I just kept saying to myself, so I say this stuff about this person changed the world, would have made the world a better

place historically, like if they hadn't died, everything would have been better. And I kept saying to myself now, say Martin Luther King Jr., say Martin Luther King Jr. But I said Robert F. Kennedy, you know. So let's just, you know, look at it through 2024 eyes. I mean, but that is what you were talking about. Yeah. It was the case you were talking about. Right, right.

But, you know. And that is, well, there's a little bit of that is the conversation these days where it's like people who aren't doing it from the outside are going, why didn't you do it this way? And it's like, right, I mean, like, that's the way we did it. It is. There's a white lady part of it. There is a like ignorance part of it.

There's also just the this is what we're like focusing on in this moment. So you were just talking about the Kennedy's and... Yeah. Oh, and the other thing I wanted to point out is this is how long the podcast has got on. Like this is the cycle. I said something about there being fountains of Prozac at a institution and that shows you that

I was taking Prozac then and I stopped taking it and it's cycled around, I'm taking it again. Really? So it's cycled around, I'm taking it again. Really? So it's this beautiful like circle of medication and just shows you that it's such a long journey to find the medication that works for you. And sometimes this time of your life it works and this time it doesn't, but it's kind of a full circle Prozac moment for me.

Yeah. Always got to get that mental health message in there as well. Whether it's through your life or, you know, just trends being trendy. Yeah. Find what works, people. Well, and so we started this on the first episode of Rewind with Karen and Georgia, where we used to have these pun numbers as our titles, but these days, in the current episodes, we just find phrases from the show. Should we just read these back and back to each other?

Okay, yeah. Okay, you want to go first? The first one is... Positive verbal energies, which is us describing each other, like describing ourselves. Sounds right. This one's put on a towel. I remember that because that's like part of the story, and you're like, yeah, duh, put on the towel. The cutest army, which was us talking about

if we could control cats and make them an army. Read your books, meaning we're not giving facts. So, you know. Important. I'm so patient. Diner talk. They should have fist fought. Reagan versus RFK.

Bowls of medication. And fountains of Prozac. I have one more that I wrote down. That you said, a Jamba Juice of facts. Ha ha ha! Yeah, if your Jamba Juice doesn't have orange juice, bananas, protein powder, or strawberries. Right, right. The fewest facts at any John B. Dewey.

It's a menagerie of artificial flavors. Should we wrap it up? Wrap it up? Yeah. Go to Facebook page. Facebook page. Go to any Facebook page. Anyone. Talk about us. And visit people and just live your life digitally. Yeah.

Don't leave your house. You're going to get murdered if you leave your house. And definitely talk about us on Facebook page. Yeah. Talk about us on Facebook page. Tell everyone on Reddit to listen. I feel like Reddit people would like this podcast a lot, but I'm not on Reddit. I thought it might be frustrating to some Reddit types who like facts and like a fluidly

chronologically told story. Please, again, go watch the documentary. This is not what we're here for. We're like a puree. We're like a Jamba Juice of facts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're like, what are those two guys in Vegas who play with tigers? Yep.

Were those guys tigers? We're not going to find out the history of tigers and what they're about. You're going to see the best part of the tiger. And our tans. And our tans. Yeah. Yeah. Our teeth, our tans, and the best part of the tiger.

And hopefully we don't get mulled by our tiger, which is the murders. Can I just say this and then we'll stop? Please. The day that there was the story in the paper of how the, it was either Siegfried or Roy, I can't remember which one got attacked. But the day that was in the paper about him being mauled by the tiger was the same day that they caught the Green River killer. And I remember going from reading the LA Times and it went from like one small story turn the page the other small story where I was like, both of these stories are the hugest thing to happen in the last 20 years. And they're both like four column,

like tiny, tiny stories. People don't know what's important anymore. No, they really don't. You know? It's like our media man is like telling us how to live. Yeah. Well, that's a good, I like that. That's a little tie, a little bow tie on that. I tied it up. Good job. Hey, listen to us on other stuff and go to us on other places.

We have other things. We live other lives sometimes. But we're slowly building so that this takes over everything. Yeah. Make sure this takes over everything for your life too. Get obsessed with this. There you go. We're Karen in Georgia.

Thanks for listening. Thanks. So, all right. Well, that's another episode of Rewind in the can. Should we keep doing them? Let us know if you like them. What should we think? Yeah, that's right.

Is this fun? Is it working on your dental hygienist? Did you bring them over to start listening to our podcast? Yeah, let us know. Congratulations. We're all day one listeners now. Yeah, that's right. Stay sexy.

And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Goodbye.