My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 22: The Girls with the Episode Twenty Two

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia! This week, K & G recap Episode 22: The Girls with the Episode Twenty Two, when they discussed murders from the 1500s. Georgia covered the Princes in the Tower and Karen shared the Sawney Bean Legend. Listen for all-new commentary, case updates and much more! Whether you've listened a thousand times or you're new to the show, join the conversation as we look back on our old episodes and discuss the life lessons we’ve learned along the way. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode!   Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder   Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurder TikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder Now with updated sources and photos: https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes/rewind-with-karen-georgia-episode-22-the-girls-with-the-episode-twenty-two My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories, and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. The Exactly Right podcast network provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics, including true crime, comedy, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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["My Favorite Girl"] Hello. And welcome. To Rewind with Karen in Georgia. That's right. This is our new Wednesday episode where we travel back in time and we trick you into coming with us, not unlike Back to the Future. Hey, Back to the Future. It's Back to the Future with a lot more murder. Yeah, that's the movie you've always wanted. We'll give you some case updates on the stories

we covered, maybe a few apologies and that sense of joy that could only be experienced before the pandemic. Oh, all right, P. Remember? Everything. Remember joy? before the pandemic. Oh, all right, P. Remember? Everything. Remember, Joy? No. So today we're revisiting episode 22, which we named the girls with the episode, which we named the girls

with the episode 22. We were doing fine. We were fine. We were great. It came out on Monday, June 27, 2016. So hop in, Martys. Now we can all be day one listeners. Marty!

Okay, let's get into it. We're gonna listen to the intro of episode 22. And just a warning, we do talk about eating disorders, our own eating disorders in this conversation. So please take care. No! Welcome everybody to my favorite murder, the podcast, the highly professional true crime podcast that asks the question, what if two women who were slightly interested in true

crime and had a free time on their hands and like to have conversations and make up facts and not do a lot of research. We need to start this over. No, I love it. Now you do one. Hey everyone, this is My Favorite Murder, a podcast where we talk about our favorite murders, which is kind of insulting to people who have been murdered, but we don't mean it that way. We're trying to be fucking cool and interested and like we have so much like empathy. Right. That's our whole thing with our tagline. Okay. Are we blowing this? Should we do another one? Are we just

going to keep doing it? Welcome to What the Fuck starring Mark Maron. Oh my God. Our listenership just went up so high. Oh my God. We'll steal listeners from Marin. We'll convert them to our way of thinking about murder. Yep. Which is with very little fact. Right. How are you? Which is just kind of conversational. I'm good. It's nice to see you. I saw you, Georgia, last night briefly at a comedy show where there was no air conditioning. And we both looked like

we were crossing paths in a sauna, essentially is what it looked like. Well, if the podcast, I'm not for sure, but if this is coming out a day late, it's because we normally record on Monday, but my apartment was so fucking disgustingly hot and I have TV money. I have cooking channel money. Yeah, you have TV money, which isn't what TV money used to be. It's now radio money. Right. So I live in a one bedroom apartment with no fucking air conditioning.

And on Monday and Sunday, it was like 106. It was over 100 degrees in Los Angeles. And so my living room was like a jacuzzi. It felt like a jacuzzi. So we're doing it instead on Wednesday and we're sorry, but... Yeah. It's a weather delay. It's a legit weather delay.

And a lot of Los Angeles is being affected this way because of the stupid comedy show. I don't know if their air conditioning broke or if they had some kind of blackout or brown out or something, but they couldn't. So it was like a full on comedy show with a full audience. They had to open the side door. When I was on stage, cop cars went by and ruined my Bjork bit. People did not laugh at all. And I wonder if it's just because it was like two cop cars or an ambulance, whatever was going on.

Did you hear me loudly cackling in the back? Was that you? Yeah. I'm supportive with... I learned a long time ago from someone who used to... Like I know in comedy, should I say who it is? Sure. Ed Salazar. Oh yeah. He was like a sweet baby angel. I hated being near him when he was at a comedy

show because he would laugh super loud and clap when he laughed. Which like laugh clapping is my least favorite thing in the world. And he had this like ha ha like loud laugh. One day I was like, what the fuck? And he was like, I'm being supportive of my friends. I want them to know when they're on stage that I am laughing out loud and making people around me laugh too. And I'm like, oh. Yes. That's why I do it too. You get trained as a standup that you have to let your friends, you know the feeling that they're having on stage, which is usually the world hates my guts and you're trying to earn back from that below zero feeling. And so when you are genuinely make your comedian friends laugh in the audience, they know they

have to let you know. Because that's basically saying, don't stop doing that bit. Right. There's no like, there's no under your breath guffaw. It's like, no, no, it's like, ha ha ha, which I fucking love. And I do now. And I'm like, I'll do it so loud. And I don't care.

Now I'm thinking there were a couple moments where I was laughing at a certain laugh and I'm pretty sure it was you. I go, is that it? Yeah, because it almost sounded sarcastic. But I was like, don't go into how you think a person is sarcastically laughing at you when that's probably not happening. I need to change her. I'll go, ha.

Well, now that I know that she is going to make me laugh, instead of being defensive, because someone did make a weird, I did the first joke I did in the, as the laughter was ebbing, because the first joke went fine, then someone, and it sounded like a drunk dude went, yeah. And it was that kind of thing that makes me want to jump off the stage and strangle someone. Hold on though. Was that in the back? I don't know. Because there was a joke you did about the Yucca corridor where you used to live in Hollywood.

And you went, I lived in the Yucca corridor and there was a guy in front of me who like went, yeah, genuinely was like used to live there. And I'm from LA almost and I didn't know what that was. So I think that maybe that's who it was. No, no. I know what you're talking about. And that was like he was trying to support because that, but that was the setup of a joke. It wasn't the punchline. This was after the punchline and it was basically someone making a sarcastic comment. Like I kind of don't agree with you is what it sounded like. Can I tell you one of my, like this moment I go back to, you know, the shammies like

the next day after you were drinking you're like this I did this thing and I'm so ashamed of it. Yeah. Oh yeah. I have one from like 2007 that I still like think about about I was at a comedy show and I went nope at something and I wanna and it was a friend who was on stage but it was like, and I remember a couple comedians that I'm friends with turned around to see who said that. And I still think of it and get this like coochie twinge of shame. You know, like, oh, I can't believe I did that. Oh my God. That sounds, that in a nutshell is what I was like when I was drinking.

Although I was drunk. I would never have a twinge about it. I would be like, and that's the least I'm going to say. Right. You're lucky I'm not. That's why I kind of try not to get too drunk at comedy shows because I don't want to fucking say anything. No, I know. For me, it was a lot of bad behavior would take place because at the old Largo, we would stand in the back and then the comedian would be on stage. There would be these people that paid money and waited in line.

Eating dinner. Eating dinner to watch the show. And then the comics would stand in the back and talk to each other while other people- We really stood next to each other back there. I'm sure we did, right? Because my friend and I were like, we don't have dinner. We're like the cool ones who go in the back and stand. You'd stand by the sound booth?

Yeah. So here's what I used to do. And maybe you remember this. Because I stopped drinking right when that show started. We would all be talking and I would of course be laughing at like not at the comic, but at things my friends were saying. And if anybody would turn around who is standing in the audience area, I'd literally turn around. Like a high school bully. It was one of my favorite things to do. Imagine how broken I am inside. You would have hated me.

You would have been so mean to me if we had met back then. Are you the kind of person that would turn around and try to give me a dirty look? No. I think if one of my friends are on stage and someone's talking a lot, I'll do it. And be like, shut the fuck up. I probably would have enjoyed that. Yeah. I think it's the passive aggression. I was just obnoxious. I don't think you would have liked me because I was like a hipster, like an anorexic hipster. I rode my Vespa to, I'm not kidding, I rode my Vespa to Largo to watch alternative comedians.

Yeah, I probably wouldn't have liked you. I was like 21. Well, I wouldn't have liked you on the surface. Right. But also I wasn't confident enough to be cool around you the way I was when we met when I was in, not anorexic anymore and in my 30s. You had your own identity going. Yeah. identity going. But in my opinion, anorexia and my eating disorder are very similar, where it's the equal opposite, where it's just a weird body.

Like binging, is that what you think you have? Is that what you think you have? Is that what you think you have? See, we have so much in common. Is that what you're claiming? Oh my God. It's a total cat party. It's a mess right now. I got a kitten. I'm fostering a kitten and my cats are fucking rebelling and I'm sorry.

No, it's fine. All right. So we have some housekeeping. Oh yeah. You want to go first? Oh, well, I just needed to say that in my classic style, when I did the story about the evil nurse from the 1800s that liked to kill people last week. You're doing a correction?

Yeah. Okay. Because she used to do a combo of morphine and atropine. Did you see this? No. I always forget, A, that I'm talking to other people besides you, and B, that a lot of those people are medical from the medical profession. They have studied and gone to school. That's no problem. As I was reading my very light research, I just assumed that atropine would be the opposite

of morphine. But actually, because of all the genius people that we have on our Facebook page, I learned from a person who I believe is either an RN or a medical registered person. I can't remember. It was like three people who are like a doctor, a nurse, and someone else. Yeah, I'll correct my correction. But they basically said atropine is the drug that stopped the, what's it called? The death rattle, which is the final sounds that you make that go on and on that terrible breathing at the end of life. I assumed atropine was some kind of an upper. I thought she was giving them uppers and downers. Like fucking with their uppity and downs?

Yeah, like killing them and bringing them back. But that was just me assuming. I don't know why. So they're also downers? They're also downers. It's just different ways of shutting people's systems down. I literally wouldn't care if you ever corrected that. I know, but I'm correcting it because I have a bad habit of making assumptions that are like, I make assumptions about medical knowledge and stuff like that. So you think if you had said, I don't know what they are, you wouldn't have cared?

Or is it because you explained the thing? I'm saying it as if I know it for a fact and it's because my mom was a nurse so I'd hear her use terminology. So I was like, I know what atropin is. Well, of course I fucking don't know what atropin is. No, that's fair. Man, I say Yiddish words that don't mean the right thing all the fucking time because I heard my grandma say it. Well, you can apologize for that on your Yiddish podcast, but I have nothing to do with. It's actually Yiddish True Crime Podcast.

Okay, we're back. Is this the first Corrections Corner? No. No. I think that episode two, we had a Corrections Corner. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

If not episode one. And it's such a hilarious, I think this is when I first started realizing this is my Gen X personality that younger people don't understand. We didn't have the internet growing up. So you could say anything you wanted all the time and you never got checked unless someone was like a pharmacist that you were talking to. So I have that kind of thing. I really used to love to talk about stuff like I knew it because it felt like I knew it.

You mean like drugs and stuff? Well yeah like this thing where I said morphine was a downer and atropine was an upper and I was just kind of guessing that. Yeah it made sense in the context of the story. But you know what? That doesn't matter for shit. Well you know what? The internet said no thank you.

But you know this is just this is us being us, I think. Yeah, and you introducing us as W2F with Marc Maron, us being us. Also, you say here that anything pre-1800 is boring as fuck. And then what's hilarious is we go on to cover old stories. I know. And I will say I don't believe that anymore. I, you've really changed me when it comes to stories. And actually this story that you do, I remember just being kind of horrified by it in a way that's like, whoa, the past is more interesting than I realized. Even though it might not even be a true story, the one you cover.

Right. It's a little legend-y, but it is that kind of thing where it's like there is, you know, history class could have been much more exciting if people told these kinds of stories, like found them and then talked about, is this an urban legend? Well, maybe, and here's why this urban legend would have been floated. Right, and here's why it actually, like there's real, there's bits of real information from it because it's not that, it's not that out of the realm of possibility that something similar like this would have happened. Right, I think, well, you'll listen to it. You know what?

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I think anything pre 1800 is boring as fuck. I really don't care. Well, now we know that. We didn't know that before. I didn't even know that where I was like, I don't fucking, who cares? You fucking, you and your corsets and your- God, there was so much- Latin. There's a lot of Latin and there was a lot of calling people a witch and then just slowly murdering them if they owed you money or you

wanted their seat. Totally. There's the rune. And then there's just so much that is lore at that point that isn't interesting. To me, it's like this thing happened in the 1920s that was so recent and so interesting. And also, he's going to step all over your computer and ruin your files. It's cats. This is hot cat action. This is what it's like. I'm used to it. I'm just, I really like that I be able to put myself in someone's

shoes. And if the shoes are like made of fucking Fox skin and they're like, and they haven't invented laces yet. And they like, you know, I just don't care. Nicole Sarris What about old clogs? Absolutely not. Nicole Sarris Like truly wooden. No. Nicole Sarris Legitimately wooden. That sounds so uncomfortable. Nicole Sarris Yeah.

What if they had nice high arches, like arch support? They don't. If they do, a peasant is murdered. I'm saying dream clogs. Okay. No, I would never wear clogs. I love clogs. I'm sorry.

Nicole Sarris I think it's interesting, but when I went to read about it, there was just a lot of extra ease on the end of words and stuff where I was like, there's no way I'm reading that because it looks like something like an old monk wrote in calligraphy. Yeah, exactly. And I love a murder where I can be like, oh, that like someone will write in it, like that was my grandfather and my or my grandfather is from the town that that happened. And I think it's and he always said this. And I mean, that can't happen. And so I wrote on the Facebook page, can someone fucking tell me their favorite 1500 murder because I really don't know what mine it like, I just don't have one.

And then there was a great one. Yeah, yeah. And I ended up using the one I kind of originally had thought of. This chick that everyone wanted to do, but like has been overdone. But the chick who bathed in blood. Bathory? Bathory. Yes. What a fucking cunt. I mean, but, or was she being persecuted by the whatever church, probably Catholic. Yeah. Who just spread these rumors about her to get her under there. Except for there were witnesses. But see, that's the thing is I was reading that and I'm like, oh no, it is real. There are witnesses. But this was back in those times. It was like the witch hunt shit went from the 1400s to the 1700s or something. Yeah. Plus at that time, the people who wrote the history, who wrote the books of what happened

could be shady as fuck too. It's not like it's journalism the way it is today, which is still pretty fucking shady. It's like, you know? So wait, did you do her? No. Oh, okay. Because I think, who just did, was it, someone just did a whole episode on her. So I wasn't interested. So fuck them. The week that I did The Nurse, some other crime podcast did The Nurse too. I was really

sad. I'm sorry. I did not know. I'm fucking sorry. Look, I'm sorry. Yeah, someone did mine too. Yeah. I mean, they. I'm fucking sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, someone did mind. Yeah. I mean, they're just going to overlap. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's me or you. It's either me or you or Elvis. I think it might be me. Okay. Pretty sure. I don't. I mean, who cares, right? I mean, who gives a fuck? I did the Sony Bean Clan. Do you know those people?

Which one? No. I mean, which one were they? Tell me in a story. Why don't I tell you a story style? Do it. Okay. Lay your head back. Okay. On the cat. Close your eyes. On the cat. Theny Bean Clan is an infamous Scottish family from either the 1400s or the 1700s. Let's say the 14. Why don't we know? Because it's almost like a Scottish urban legend that they have attributed to several different eras.

And it's because they think this one is definitely propaganda that the English government used to make Scottish people look like- Barbarians. Yes. And deviants. But let's talk about it as if it's real first, and then we'll talk about that part later. Love it. So if it was real, this story and the details from it are the source of horror films like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Ravenous, The Hills Have I.

Really? Yeah, because it's a family of cannibals. And it's a family of cannibals who live in a hidden cave, who were a huge incestuous clan that only came out at night and they were highway robbers. So people would travel along these roads, along the Scottish countryside that was kind of like along the coast. And they would be trying to go between one city and the other. And the Sonny Bean clan would come out from their cave that was hidden at high tide. So no one knew where they were. And they would go out in the night, hide, a highway traveler

would go by on their horse and this clan of inbred cannibals would jump out, pull them off their horse, murder them, steal their shit, kill their horse, drag it all back to the cave, which apparently went a mile underground. Nicole Sarkis Sounds like pretty sweet digs. Nicole Sarkis Yes. And they would eat the meat of the people and then they had big piles of possessions. So it was almost like a treasure cave, but also filled with horrors and blood and whatnot. So the head of it was Alexander Bean, who was born in the 1500s in East Lothian, Scotland, which is a few miles outside of Edinburgh on the East coast of Scotland. And they don't know that much about the details of his life. They do know, they kept saying

that he was the son of a ditch digger and a hedge trimmer or something like that. So basically his father was a hardworking, working class man and they kept saying that he was lazy. Alexander Bean was lazy. He didn't want to do hard work. And so he basically left his family where his only option was to do what his father did. He met up with a woman who also didn't want to do

hard work and her name was Black Agnes Douglas, which is probably my favorite name to date in the research of this podcast. So Black Agnes Douglas and Alexander Bean, Sonny Bean, settled into Ballantrae together, which is a city somewhere in Scotland. And then Black Agnes, they were both run out of town because they suspected Black Agnes was a witch, of course. There's not such a fucking thing as witches too. But there are such things as women who are smarter than other people in their village, so they have to live outside of society. Or believe a different religion than the majority of people who...

Yeah. Yeah, like a Jew? Yeah. A smart Jewish lady that wants to live on the edge of town because you can't deal with bullshit. Here I am in fucking Little Armenia. Hi. I'm going to drive you out of Little Armenia.

Would you please? Because I need to go to this apartment. Anyways, black Georgia. Get out of here. So they end up in this cave in Benay Head, which is between Gervon and Balintra tres on the west coast. So basically, you can't see the cave at high tide. The tide goes out and suddenly there's a cave opening. You walk in 200 yards deep and then apparently it goes down so it's a mile underground. That is so cool. And so they, Black Agnes, Sonny Bean, move into this cave.

They have 14 kids. Holy shit. Then they end up having nearly 50 grandchildren incestuously. Oh no. So they're this big crazy clan. And I already told you that they'd come out at night. So they were hidden. They would attack people,

rob them, murder them, take all their shit back to the caves. So they never left a trace. They never left a survivor and they ate them. So it was as if these people were just disappearing. I mean, that's fucking off the grid, right? Right. So some say that there are a thousand deaths were attributed to the Sani Bean Clan. And because their reign of terror lasted for 25 years. So it all ended one fateful night when the beans ambushed, the beans ambushed a married couple who are coming back from a fair. They were riding on a horse together and the Bean Clan attacked them and pulled the woman down off the horse, immediately murdered her, ripped open her stomach, pulled out her entrails,

began eating her on the spot, blood everywhere. The husband who was a great fighter, according to these reports, had a sword and a pistol and he was fighting off the rest of the clan when a big group of fairgoers kind of come around the corner on the road. And so the Sony being clan runs away. So they take the dead wife's body. This husband takes her body to the king and says, this crazy clan of lunatics attacked me and my wife, murdered my wife. Here's her body. You got to help me. So the king and his... Sorry, hold on. Nicole Soule-Nagant Can I say, Sony Beans sounds like in one of those like all you canat soup and salad restaurants? Nicole Sattel You're exactly right.

Sonny, interestingly enough, was a derogatory nickname for a Scottish person in England. So it'd be like how they called Irish people, Patti. It was the same thing. So that's another reason why all the historians and scholars say, this is an urban legend because everything about this is, oh, the disgusting old Sonny Bean Scotsman, you know how they are, how they live in caves, eat human flesh and fuck their own children. It's that, it has that tone to it, but we're still pretending that it's real. So they go to King James VI of Scotland and tell him all about what happened. So he gets a manhunt going with 400 men and bloodhounds. And they look all around the countryside and they can't find anything until the tide goes back

out and the bloodhounds go crazy and find the opening of the cave. That is so cool. And then they go into it. And this was the Captain Charles Johnson writing in 1742 describes what they found in the cave. Legs, arms, thighs, hands and and feet of men, women, and children were hung up in rows like dried beef, and a great many limbs lay in pickle, and a great mass of money, both gold and silver, with watches, rings, and swords, pistols, and a large quantity of clothes, both linen and woolen, and an infinite number of other things which they had taken

from those they had murdered. It's murder with an apostrophe D, old fashioned murdered, were thrown together in heaps or hung up against the sides of the den. And I've seen like illustrations. So it's basically like candlelight and then just body parts hanging from a cave. So they were said to have been all captured alive and taken in chains to the toll booth jail in Edinburgh, then either transferred to Leith or Glasgow where they were promptly executed without a trial. The men had their genitalia, hands and feet cut off and then they let them bleed to death. Oh God! The women were all burned and children.

What would you rather have? Uh, burned? I think it would be relatively faster. Oh, yeah, okay. I mean it would be horrible for like five minutes. That's a long time. It is a long time. But bleeding out with no extremities is rough. I think that would be quick and I think you'd be almost like numbed in your brain. Getting burned alive seems like a fucking nightmare to me. Oh wait, did you see the message from the woman on Facebook who is a...

There was someone on there that is a registered mortician who said she would answer any questions for us. I wonder if she would know something like that. I guess that's not really her department of the actual dying. Right. But she can probably... I mean... Like, what's the pain...

That'd be an interesting thing to know. The pain factor and the window. Like how quickly do you go into shock if you are on fire? Like immediately. Totally. I want to know that. How long? Let's see if she'll do a private AMA with us and maybe we can like read them on it in

a mini episode. That's a good idea. So if you have questions for the licensed mortician and perhaps coroner, I can't remember. I'm definitely making up the coroner part right now, just for fun. Do you know I have an ex-boyfriend who's a, what is it called? Pathological liar. Like me. A lot of those. No, he picks up dead bodies and brings them to the mortuary. Wow.

Yeah. And he was like, my shitty shitty like my broken heart ex-boyfriend Oh, and I found that out that he did that I was like you fucking dick. You know, I said me like the one that got away No, I'm like glad he got away But he like fucked me up when I did it and then I had like the best He also like had then living his best like my best life I want to do that. Whatever. He's gross. The mortician. Yeah. Anyways, yeah.

I'm sorry. And I'm jealous of him too. Well, it's also just interesting because I think there's some people who'd never be able to do a job like that. Like us probably. I know in reality, yeah, I think it would be a very very difficult thing to do. Yeah, but so interesting Like I would want to know all about it. I was my husband. I didn't want to speak to him anymore I'd be like no. Yeah, not that guy specifically. Yeah, that's like that's like um, there was a there was a Homicide detective that was at the same thing

I was I think I told you about that and I wanted to talk to him so bad But I couldn't bring myself to do it Yeah, cuz I don't have any guts in that way of like I can't do a cold call of like I am Karen Tell me I just wanted to ask you a couple questions about but I mean like how hot would that be if you were like going? Out with a homicide detective. You're like, let me make you a casserole and get your goddamn slippers. Just saying like, how was your day? Yeah. How was your day? I really want you to tell me.

You're not just asking that because you're being a good wife. How was your day? Tell me about margin accounting. It's what a bitch she is. How was your fucking day? How was your day when you came up on the perp and shit like Everything. Okay, let me wrap this down. I'm almost great. I love it Okay, so Dee-doo-doo the most suspicious part of The Sony bean story is that no actual proof of him or his numerous victims actually exist So they're saying if this many people, what

they say is like thousands over 20 year period were truly disappearing from the Scottish coastline, it would be written in the newspaper or whatever, the periodicals of the time. There would be reports of it. And they don't have any proof of him being born or existing, and they don't have proof of people disappearing. It's all just hearsay. Well, would that not be his real name then? Do they have his real name? Alexander Bean. I mean, nobody named Alexander Bean, yeah, was born. So they say. The legend of Sonny Bean first appeared in what they call British chat books, which were rumor magazines of the day.

Sounds like the internet. Yes, exactly. The old internet. Ye old internet. Which today leads many to argue that the story was a political propaganda tool to denigrate Scots after the Jacobite rebellions, which had happened from 1648 to 1746, which would make sense. Let's see. Scottish historian Dr. Louise Yeoman said that the later King James, who was the guy that in the story, they say they brought that body to and who got the 400 people up at the search party, said he was a keen hunter, but unlikely to have put himself in danger by leading a perilous trek like this. And she also said, if James had successfully led an expedition to face down a well-armed group

of bloodthirsty cannibals, he would have never, we would have never heard the end of it. So he was the kind of king that definitely bragged about any slight adventure that he ever went on and yet not a word was written anywhere about him doing this. Nicole Sarris To me, that's the biggest, that to me is the most, you can be like, well, maybe it was less victims and maybe his name was something different or spelled differently, but that is, if it's all written record what he said, he did that.

Nicole Sarris Yeah. And he was the kind of king that was like, let me tell you a little story about how I found the Sony beam. But maybe that part could have been, instead of getting 400 people, they got 30 people and they were townsfolk. It didn't go all the way to the king. Like, who knows that part? I really don't want to let it go because I honestly think, well, and this is the other thing too. Author Sean Thomas disagrees with the fact that it is urban legend because he says, if the Sonny Bean story is to be read as deliberately anti-Scottish,

how do we explain the equal emphasis on English criminals in those same publications, the British chapbooks? Wouldn't such an approach rather blunt the point? So he was saying, it wasn't just that one story, there was all these stories. But other people say, yeah, except for the Sonny Bean story is so bad and extreme that people have been talking about it for hundreds of years. That's the problem is that people have been talking about it. So it constantly becomes more and more gruesome. And suddenly the king is involved when really it was just like the fucking head of the local township.

Right. They also said that a lot of the local innkeepers were hanged, even though they were innocent because they were always the last people to see those highway travelers alive. But then that's another thing where like, well, then there would be record of their death, and they can't find any of those. So author Fiona Black writes in her book, The Polar Twins, the monstrous figure of Sonny Bean has written history was probably an English invention. Cannibalism has a long history as a means of political propaganda used by the dominant culture against those they want to colonize. As an English invention, Sonny may be considered a colonial fiction written to demonstrate

the savagery and uncivilized nature of the Scots in contrast to the superior qualities of the English nation. And also, so whether it's true or not, the one thing as an urban legend, the story of Sonny Bean represents the extremes humans are forced to go to when famine and poverty drive them to commit terrible deeds to survive, which is something that we all know the British really did do when they were colonizing Scotland and Ireland. The Irish potato famine was not a famine because the crops failed. The English went in and took all of the crops out of Ireland. So people were starving

while boats filled with food were being shipped over to England. They took all the food and intentionally starved Ireland so that they could take over the land. So this is something England did as a practice. So it also could be the story of like, these were people who are forced in these extreme measures, they didn't have anything else to eat. And then the story kind of came out from there. Fucking colonialism, man. It's not cool.

It's super not cool. It's kind of not kind of ruined. You just like gone and pissed on a bunch of fucking continents and like marked your shitty. So that's, that's a Sonny Bean story. I was kind of bummed when I first heard that it was an urban legend because it's such a good, you know, it like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. What better scary thing than the long, slow, people just disappearing off a road and then the idea that it's in the middle of the night, a family

of inbred lunatics are coming to just pull you off your horse and eat you. It's not even just one crazy guy. One wild and crazy guy. It's like 50. It's like 50. Nutters. Scary. Yeah. Well, I hope it's like 50. Nutters. Scary. Yeah. Yeah.

Well. Well. I hope it's not true. I don't know what to hope anymore. Okay, we're back. Did we ever figure out when in time this is from? Because it's 1400s or 1700s in the story. I mean, I know I didn't, did you?

Why would I? Don't make me. It's, I mean, I didn't, I... I'm gonna go 14. I'll do 17 just to cover our bets. How about that? And I'd like to announce that yes, I opened a chain of salad and soup restaurants called The Sauny Bean.

That is one of my favorite jokes. When that joke came back up in this episode, I was like, yeah, we're doing it. It's always bothered me, that name, a little bit. Sonny Bean is like... There's something I don't like about it. Yeah. It's, well, it's on par with the soup plantation. It's like, hey, maybe we don't celebrate that.

Right. Okay, now it's your turn. Georgia goes second on this one, and she's about to tell us a boring as fuck before 1800 story about the princes in the tower. With Uber Reserve, good things come to those who plan ahead. Family vacay? Reserve your ride as soon as you book your flights. To all the planners, now you can reserve your Uber ride up to 90 days in advance. See Uber app for details.

What's your favorite murder? My favorite 1500 murder. That you hate in general. That I hate it. No, actually, I had been reading about this a couple of months ago because I had never really, I'd heard the term, but I had never understood the story because fuck Shakespeare. The Princes in the Tower. Oh, I saw that on the list, but I didn't read that one. Yeah. So this reminded me of that. And it's a really interesting story. It takes place

in 14, around, starts in 1483. It starts in 1483 with the, oh my God, I have to do this again and I meant to look this up. Uh oh, you're going to get in big trouble for pronouncing it wrong. No, this is embarrassing. So one with a V is five, right? No, that's four. God damn it. embarrassing. So one with a V is five, right? When the one is before the V, it's four and if it's after it's six. Fourth grade was a really hard year for me. Who gives a fuck about Roman numerals? Seriously. So four. Okay. Um, wait. Yeah. Cause X is 10. Okay. Okay. Okay.

So Edward the fourth of England, he died unexpectedly on April 9th, 1483. He had two sons, Edward V of England. Just called him Edward V. Edward V. What was the last name? It was V. Edward V, and he was 12, and Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York, who was nine. Hostie That doesn't sound like a nine-year-old's name. Hostie No. And it's almost like you can't be the maybe prince one. You can't be the

prince, but here you go. You're the Duke of York. Hostie Yeah. Hostie She's like, cool. Hostie Ricky Shrewsbury. Hostie Ricky Shrewsbury. Ricky, yeah. Okay. So Edward dies unexpectedly, but right before his death, he designates his brother, Richard, as Lord Protector. Richard the Third? No. I don't know.

Oh, okay. Richard II? I don't see II. No. Richard as Lord Protector. Okay. Yes. No. Yes. see. Yes. I'll let's read. Sorry. Sorry. I just, why would I even ask a question? No, I feel stupid. Um, so I wrote down, turns out he was a dick. I wrote that in my notes. So Richard was a fucking dick. It's Richard Duke of Gloucester. He sets out for London after- I think it's Gloucester. Sorry. Sorry. I could definitely be wrong. I could be wrong.

This is the kind of thing like, Edinburgh, it looks like it's Edinburgh, but it's Edinburgh. And you're supposed to know that even though you're from fucking Northern California or Southern California. We're Americans. We're, couldn't be more California. Or Merkins. And we're like, we don't even know what's going on. So, Glockester. Glockester? Glockester. I don't know. Anyways. You know what? We're going to hear plenty from people who do know. He sets out for London. Is that how you say it?

Yep. Yep. So, he sets out for London after his bro dies. The following morning, he arrests Edwards, oh my God, I can't read any of this. I mentioned this fucking, the uncles, so their half brother. So he arrests the other kid, like he's just already being like dicking around. Yep. And they were sent to a castle where they were fucking, the uncle and the half brother were fucking immediately beheaded in Yorkshire. Wait, the nine and the 12 year old?

No, not yet. Oh, sorry, sorry. The nine and the 12 year old's other uncle and half brother were immediately beheaded. So because Edward the fifth was the heir to the throne. year old's other uncle and had a brother. Got it. Were immediately beheaded. So, cause Edward the fifth was the heir to the throne. So he was supposed to, once his dad unexpectedly died, he was supposed to be fucking king. So then Richard fucking grabs these two kids, these two little ones, Edward the fifth of England and Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York. And Ricky Shrewsbury, yeah.

Yeah. Ricky Shrewsbury. He takes possession of them. Elizabeth Woodville, who was the wife of Edward who just died, takes her other son, Richard, Duke of York, and her daughters into a sanctuary. She's like, fuck this, and like later days. Then Richard, so Edward V and Richard arrive in London together. And then so plans start for Edward's coronation, but the date kept being postponed. So this 12 year old kid who just lost his dad was like about to be the king, which is insane. Yeah. Very Game of Thrones. Very. So on May 19th, 1483, Edward was lodged in the Tower of London. Scary. It's the traditional residence of monarchs prior to the coordination. So he's still like, amen, abe, king. And then

on June 16th, he was joined by his younger brother, this kid, Richard, Ricky, good old Ricky, who was previously in the sanctuary. But at this point, the date of Edward's coronation was indefinitely postponed by their dick, Uncle Richard. Uncle Dick. Yeah. Tricky Dick. Tricky Dick. Got it. So then on Sunday, June 22nd, a sermon was preached at St. Paul's crossing claiming Richard to be the only legitimate heir of the House of York. So at this point, there's like this crazy conspiracy

to get this guy, Richard, tricky dick to be the king instead. So a group of lords, knights, and gentlemen petitioned Richard to take the throne. Both princes, the two kids were subsequently declared illegitimate by parliament because Richard changed the laws. It was an act of parliament known as titulus regius. Regius again. I fucking hate. Yeah. We don't speak Latin. No. So he said that the marriage between Edward IV and Elizabeth's marriage was invalid because of some contract of a pre-marriage. So like he made some bullshit law and said that these kids aren't legitimate, so this one can't

be king. So he was crowned King Richard III. You were correct, ma'am. I was correct. You were correct. A miracle. Of England on July 3rd. And the declaration of the boy's illegitimacy had been described as an ex post facto justification for him getting the second throne. And it's recorded that after he sees the throne, Edward and Ricky were taken to the quote, inner apartments of the tower and they were seen less and less. Sometimes they were seen like playing outside, but less

and less. And Edward was regularly visited by a doctor who reported that, like a victim prepared for sacrifice, he sought remission of his sins by daily confession and penance because he believed that death was facing him. Like this kid was like- A 12 year old boy? Yeah. This kid was like, I know what's happening. I mean, he's been, he's been raised to be, to be ready to be Prince. There's probably a fucking smart kid. Yeah. Right. And knows what happens with monarchies. You know, it happened a bunch. Sure. Pretty standard stuff. Yeah. So there's reports that they're saying playing around the tower, but

no recorded sightings of either of them after the summer of 1483. There was an attempt to rescue them, but it failed. And it's at this point, the reason it failed is because they were already dead. That's what they think, is that the reason it failed is that they were already dead. Other than their disappearance, there's no direct evidence that they were murdered and no quote reliable, well-informed, independent or impartial sources for the associated events. So it's a speculation that they were murdered, but there's a lot of evidence as to it happening.

Well, yeah, because there's somebody that has a really good reason to murder them. Very good. And they're never seen from again. Right. And also when you're the king, you can get all that shit taken care of and not have any evidence laying around. Right. So jump to like more recently, four unidentified bodies have been found, which are considered

possibly connected with the events. Let's see. Okay. So the theory that I think is the most correct and seems to be the like, this is what everyone thinks it is. So there's this guy named Sir James Tyrell, who was an English knight who fought for the House of York on many occasions. And he was acting as, he was the loyal servant of Richard III. So he was arrested by Henry the... Just sounded out. V. How many? V. 1, 1.

The seventh? Henry the Seventh forces in 1502. I'm sorry. This is... Dude, please. Okay. In 1502 for supporting another Yorckus claim to the throne. So he's arrested and he was going to get executed and he was tortured. And he's like, yeah, I did it because Richard III told me to. Really confesses to this guy named Thomas Moore. And Moore said that the princes, this guy told him they were smothered to death in their beds by two agents by this guy Tyrell and then Tyrell and then were buried

quote, at the stair foot neatly deep in the ground under a great heap of stones, but were later disinterred and buried in a secret place. Yeah. They were under the guard of the Tower of London while they were there, which was controlled by Richard III's men and access to the princes was strictly limited by his instructions, which is like that's a fact. He could therefore have dispatched one of his retainers to murder the princes on his behalf, but it's unlikely that they could have been murdered without his knowledge. You know what I mean? Nicole Sarris He did it. Nicole Larson These little fucking poor kids were... So

in 1674, some workmen were remodeling the Tower of London, giving them a little makeover. Nicole Sarris What year? 16 something? 1674. Okay. They dug up a wooden box containing two small human skeletons. I know. The bones were found buried 10 feet out of the staircase, leading to the chapel of the White Tower.

They were not the first children's skeletons found within the tower. Oh, no. What are you fucking doing in there? They did whatever they wanted. Sure. The bones of two other children had been found in a chamber that had been walled up, which could have also been them. So like you find two sets of two children's bones.

Like the chances are that one of them is going to be. Yeah. Except Queen Elizabeth II has not granted the approval for DNA testing. She's like, nope. Queen Elizabeth II is our current one? I think so. And, oh sorry, I didn't mean... No, yeah. Only, why, what does she care? I mean, it's going to look badly on them. Oh, it's too late. Most people think they're lizard people. Don't they realize? Yeah.

Have you ever heard that theory? No. David Icke? No. Oh, that's fascinating. What is it? They think that there's just a... Basically, the most powerful and richest people on the planet are actually lizard people.

Oh, there was a last podcast on the left about that. Yeah. I haven't heard that. But my friend Laura used to read all David Icke books and websites and then tell me what they said. And she started out thinking it was funny. And then after a while, it got a little real. And I was like, you need to stop reading that shit. Like she believed it? She just was reading a lot of it. She's submerged herself in the world a little much. It's basically once you suspend disbelief a little bit, then you can believe that everybody's kind of like

a... They say that they're like these weird... They have the ability to change from lizards to people. Wow. That's so... And that's all like most royalty are actually lizard people. That's stupid. It's a little heavy. Like why lizards? I don't know. Maybe it's because it's like, you could see it like they're part alien or something.

Okay. I actually believe alien more than lizard. Yeah. I don't know. Anyways, the end is that the bones were removed and examined in 1933 and the archivist, the leading anatomist, he said that they concluded that the bones belonged to two children around the correct ages for the princes. Oh. Yeah. That was in the 30s that they did that? Oh, that's cool.

But since then, they won't let them test them. That's the only word they want to hear about it. You know what's funny is we went to the Tower of London, my sister and I. So did I. But we had such bad jet lag that we were trying to stay up till a normal hour so that when we went to sleep, because we landed at like nine in the morning. Yeah. But for us it was like two in the morning. So then it was like for us, it was like we were trying to stay up all night. So we took all these tours. So we walked through

the Tower of London. We did all this stuff, but neither of us can remember it because we were like exhausted. And then we finally went to sleep at four o'clock and then we woke up at three in the morning and we had jet lag for like four days while we were in England. It sucked. I did that too in places. If you don't do it right, you can really screw up like your whole vacation. That's true. One of the only memories I have is like going to the aquarium that they have there, really have a really awesome one and petting a little stingray that would they would come up to

the sides of the tank like little dogs. Oh my god, cute. But I was in London. I mean, of all the memories to have of London, I could have done that in Monterey. That's true. Totally insane. Anyhow, we were, I'm just saying the Tower of London did not seem to me to be the kind of place any kid would ever want to be.

No, not a fun little hangout. No. Not a good summer camp. Mm-mm. Well, that's 1500s. Next time can we do a 70s one? I mean, this was a misstep. I admit it, 100%.

Were those okay? I feel like I'm going to edit out some of the stupider shit I said. Look, you can edit whatever you want. Some of the more stupid. If anyone is coming here to learn, they've made a terrible mistake. And also, yeah. Yeah. I mean.

Well, let's do like, so your episode about, or your murder about the chick whose hands got fucking sliced off? Mary Vincent? Mary Vincent fucking crawling her stump way. That's like the most talked about one. Right. So people like gruesome shit. Well, and also I think it's just it's if it's a good story.

Yeah, it's a survivor story. A survivor story or something so insane. Like for me, what I like is when it's something where you're like, I'm sorry, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, how is that possible in the human experience? Yeah, what depraved fuckupness. Or like crazy planning. Yeah. Should we do survivors next week? Yeah, depraved fuck-up-ness. Or like crazy planning. Yeah. Should we do survivors next week?

We can. Oh my God, I know the one I want to do if you want to do survivors. Yeah, let's do I survived. I'll tell you, mine will be from an I survived. I'm sure it will. You're obsessed with that show. This is when I tell people at parties. You told me? Don't tell me. I don't know. Sometimes when I can't think, I think part of this obsession is when I can't think of what to say. I'll just go into somebody else's tale of amazing survival.

You know, lately when I'm short of a conversation and I'll ask people their hometown murders. You will? Yep. Do you get some good ones? Sometimes people see, it's funny how much, how people just jump into the conversation like it's normal. Yes. Which I really appreciate. I do too. And like I've been at like a, you know, around a whole table of people and it's like awkward chit chat. And then I'll, and then I'll be like, Oh, I'm from Arizona. And

I'm like, Oh, were you there when that this thing happened? Yeah. And then it just starts this like fun conversation. And also because people have such extreme reactions to it. Either they're super into it or super repelled by it. But it is a fun, like, oh, I can't, if you guys are going to talk about this, I can't be here. Right. Well, then go away.

Yeah. That's exactly what I end up saying. Okay. This is where it comes out that I just don't do Roman numerals. Yeah. I mean, I don't and I still can't and I won't and I don't care. I feel like after high school, this would have been the only situation you would have had to use them.

Unless I was like playing the Super Bowl or something. Yeah. You know, which I will and don't. But even if you're playing the Super Bowl, you don't have to deal with those Roman New Rules. No, I don't have to tell people about what like Super Bowl it is. No, unless it's like if you're the graphics guy for the network that does the Super Bowl. Yeah, but they just give you the information anyway, so I don't have to. That's right. So it's not. So don't worry about it.

So hey, graphics Georgia, don't worry about it. I've done okay without, no, without, with missing that day in class. Up until this... Of Roman numeral. I've done fine until now and I'm still blushing. Let's see, are there any case updates for this story from the 1500s? No case updates, but I will give some recommendations if people are into the story because it turns out that even a person who isn't interested in the past, I find the story fascinating.

So there's a book called The Prince is in the Tower by a woman named Philippa Langley. And she is the like amateur archaeologist who was able to locate the body of Richard the third. Okay. And there's a movie out. It's called The Lost King and it's fucking incredible. So good. Yeah. So this woman who's just like endlessly fascinating

also wrote a book and it's like kind of like a true crime-y book about what happened that makes people still don't know and there's still all these like theories. So I don't know if you're into buried bones, I think pick up The Princes in the Tower by Philippa Langley. Nice. That's a good, I like case updates

that just turn into recommendations. Yeah. Sure. And now we're like case updates that just turn into recommendations. And now we're going to listen to how we ended this episode. Friday night, Vince and I did nothing and sat at home and watched the O.J. Simpson, the new Simpsons documentary, the 30 for 30, which I haven't finished yet. Don't even... Nicole Sarris I'm only on part four. I haven't finished it either.

Nicole Sarris And you and I texted and had some funny jokes about it. And that was perfect. We had some wine and we had snacks and that's my perfect moment with cats surrounding us and fucked up murder. Nicole Sarris I love that special. I went to a party on Saturday night, last Saturday, and I was talking to my friend about that. And I just kept saying to her, I'm so embarrassed. My reaction in 1995 or whenever that verdict came down, was

it 95 or 94? Yeah, 94, 95. I can't remember. But whenever it was, I just very much remember, I remember hearing on the radio, on talk radio or whatever, the black reaction was like, good, this is what we deserve. It's only just. And I remember just thinking, this is crazy. I don't understand what these people are talking about. And now it took 25 years practically. And to now understand what they meant, it makes me embarrassed. That's what they're talking about when they talk about white privilege. There are stories in that documentary I'd never heard before. I didn't know about that 12 year old girl that got shot in the back by the Korean store owner. I didn't know about the woman

who got shot on her front lawn over an energy, like a gas bill. There's all this news that I didn't know about that I, like we just weren't privy, like the news was so different back then. Totally. And right, I mean, you think like racism, you know, not in my lifetime, so much better. We don't, we're not this way. And yet we're fucking horrible. Yes. It's because we, because ultimately it's, you don't know what you don't know. And a lot of people talk like when people, when there's the Black Lives Matter, you know, campaign and then there's these other people going, all lives matter, where it's like you

are missing the point. And what you're saying is, as if you understand what these people are going through, you do not. Your privilege is such that you have no idea. Nicole Sade 15.15 It made me, even though I'm not at all racist and no one in my family is, and it's nothing I've ever encountered in my own life. It made me so embarrassed for- Yes. Because if you don't know, then you shouldn't be going, this is ridiculous. You know what

I mean? It's that judgment of privilege that's embarrassing to me because yeah, I always thought I was middle-class, working-class. Totally. to me because yeah, I always thought I was middle-class, working class. My parents are from... Both were raised by Irish immigrants who are poor and bootstrapped and all that kind of stuff. So nobody has that kind of like... I always look at that as like, oh, the 1% and those people that don't understand whatever, that's not us. It absolutely is you if you haven't had the experience. But that's the brilliance of that documentary series is people are legitimately having their eyes open. Totally. I can't wait to finish it. It's heavy.

I hear the fifth episode is insanely grisly because you see the bodies. There's crime scene photos. Is that the first time they've ever been shown like legally and publicly, I wonder? I'm not sure. Oh God, I don't want to see her pull that. It's apparently very graphic and upsetting. I just remember hearing when it happened that, that was the first time I ever heard this and I've unfortunately heard it since, that her neck was so slit that it was almost, she

was almost beheaded. Yeah. Like that has stuck with me. I've heard it a couple of times in other crimes since then. It gives me the chills. It's so crazy. It's so crazy. The weirdest part is that all of it, The entire story is really huge. You just wouldn't... Anybody who hasn't seen this documentary, you really have to see it. Nicole Sarris And the beginning, the first episode is really all about OJ and his football career, which I was like, boring, but then it makes you

understand who he was and why it mattered because I didn't care about football. So I didn't understand what a huge person... I saw him in the naked gun and I was like, he's that actor. But even him getting... It was just so interesting what it meant for him to be as huge as he was. Right. And he was one of the first people... He was one of the first black men that was presented as a commercial aspirational figure, which had never happened before. For neither... For not just for black people. No, for everybody.

For society, yeah. At large. It's so fascinating. It is. Yeah, highly recommend it. Crazy. Yeah. Well, I tried to end it on a positive note, and then I ended up talking about fucking up The Simpsons again.

It was this episode, as you know, we name these titles kind of randomly ourselves, wordplay style, which got very exhausting after a while. So these days, we just pick a phrase from the episode and name it that. People that listen to this podcast are like, we know. Why aren't you? It's in case you're listening with your mom and it's her first time listening and you're on your road trip and shit. And she's like, why are we talking about titles? That's already got a title. You have to know. We have to explain to your ghost mom every time. So Alejandra pulled some new ones from this episode.

One is crossing paths in a sauna. That sounds so awkward. We're talking about us seeing each other the night before at a comedy show where there was no air conditioning. It looked like we were crossing paths in a sauna. One of my favorite, one of my favorite sayings. I didn't make this up. I got it from a girl I followed on Live Journal

a million years ago. And Vince actually has, someone made shirts of these and Vince has one. Coochy twinge of shame. Yeah. Coochy twinge is just like, you guys, you know what it means when you cross paths in a sauna? It's awkward.

You know what a fucking coochy twinge is when you get so excited about something or horrified by something. I don't need to explain it to your mom. I remember when you said it and then you were like, we got to make shirts. And I was like, absolutely not. It's terrible. I don't say it very often anymore. But it's almost like the underground, you know, phrase.

Yeah. And, you know, you love it. Oh, also there's me or you or Elvis, which is you figuring out who goes first. And you said it's either me or you are Elvis. Good boy. That would have been a good one. Yeah.

Yeah. We can pick that one. You are Elvis, okay. Well, thanks you guys for listening to another episode of Rewind. Yeah, and if you want to start listening to this, if you don't wanna go all the way back and listen to all of our old episodes where we,

I mean, we have a lot of slop around. Bullshit. But, I mean, we'd just slop around. But, you know, or you just, whatever. Stay sexy. I don't know. And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie?