My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 23: Making A Twenty Thirderer

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia! This week, K & G recap Episode 23: Making A Twenty Thirderer, when they shared survivor stories. Georgia discussed an escape from the Chessboard Killer, Alexander Pichushkin and Karen covered the incredible survival of Sarah Brady. Listen for all-new commentary, case updates and much more! Whether you've listened a thousand times or you're new to the show, join the conversation as we look back on our old episodes and discuss the life lessons we’ve learned along the way. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode!   Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder   Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurder TikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder Now with updated sources and photos: https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes/rewind-with-karen-georgia-episode-23-making-a-twenty-thirderer My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories, and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. The Exactly Right podcast network provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics, including true crime, comedy, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more. Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3UFCn1g. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is exactly right. See Uber app for details. Get groceries delivered across the GTA from real Canadian Superstore with PC Express. Shop online for super prices and super savings. Try it today and get up to $75 in PC Optimum Points. Visit superstore.ca to get started. Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. Yes, this is our Wednesday episode where we recap an old episode of My Favorite Murderer. We give you case updates if we have any, apologies if they're necessary, and probably throw in a couple tangents.

We love a good tangent. Today we're revisiting episode 23, which, you know, we're still in those pun number names, so this one's called Making a 23rd Error, which came out on Wednesday, June 29th, 2016. And this episode is themed, We Tell Survivor Stories, but also introduce three very important parts of MFM lore.

Karen coins an iconic phrase and a listener names the listeners. And it is the debut of the man, the myth, the mustache, Stephen Ray Morris. Yes. So buckle up murderinos, because now we can all be day one listeners. Okay. It's time to listen to the intro of episode 23. Welcome. What you couldn't hear is Karen and I just smiling, just doing fake podcast faces to each other as we were about to introduce this. Welcome to My Favorite

Murder starring Georgia Hart Stark. That's her. Hi. And Karen Kilgareff. Hi. That's me. You're really good at them. Like long pauses. And so I'm like, am I, is she waiting for me to jump in? You mean I'm good at like putting them in and making you unsure as to what you're supposed

to do? Yes. Yeah. But that's us. I like to keep mystery in the relationship. You look tan. Did you get a tan? No.

I have a red face because my favorite celebrity was talking to me on Twitter. And so my cheeks got really red and they wouldn't stop being red Karen. It's like significant I've never seen you flush before Holy shit, don't you don't say who it is? But oh my god I know well He knows who he is cuz he that's why he thought you get flushed when you when someone talks to you that you like Yeah, that's cute. I've never seen you speak to someone you like then. I know.

It doesn't happen that often. You don't like any of our friends. It's just, you know, there's some good uses for Twitter. That's all I'll say. That's so cute. Aren't I precious? Also, I was driving into the sun, essentially. Driving home from work.

So that it was a combo thing too, but. I don't think I've ever seen your arms. You took your sweater off because it's a hundred thousand degrees in my apartment and you're tan as fuck. Well, yeah, I guess I am a little bit. I think this is just from how hot it's been lately. I don't think I've ever seen you in a short sleeve shirt. Your adorable freckles.

Let's talk about you. Your adorable freckles and your tan. Well yeah, I think these parts, I mean like look at this farmer's tan though. That's hilarious. I got to get that. I got to start working for that. That is not a gnarly farmer's tan. Do not take a picture of this, Stevens.

Could you imagine? It is pretty sweet. Do not take a picture of this, Stevens. Could you imagine? It is pretty sweet. It looks like I'm an apple picker professionally. No, it totally does. The farmers tan that I have going. It totally does. You know, no, it's summer. Summer Karen is in full effect right now.

I got Botox today. You did? We're going to go ahead and talk about. This is full. Let's just tell all of our secrets. God, I wish I had like, what is it called? Act? Any kind of shame? I love it. Secrets?

Well, who cares? At this point, everyone gets it. Oh my God. If I cared that people, like I was trying to hide Botox, that wouldn't be me. It's like lying about your age. Also, every person that lives in this town would have to be hiding it. Yeah. And you know what else? Half the town would have to be hiding it. Yeah. And you know what else?

Half the other people should get Botox. Because fuck, it's like the best. It's the best. Wait, let me put my glasses back on. You can't tell. It takes like a week for it to work, but you can see like a little bit of a bruise coming up. Oh, and then what happens?

Everything tightens up? Yeah, it doesn't tighten. It just kind of, yeah, it just, the muscles stop working. So there's no wrinkles. Oh, interesting. It's great. I love it. I don't care how fucking vapid I sound. It's not vapid. I'm not. It's not vapid. You're an on-camera personality. Yeah.

That's kind of shit. You just don't, I mean, people know, like when you see yourself on camera, it's the physical equivalent of when you hear your voice on an answering machine. It's nightmarish or in a podcast. Especially HD on a huge TV. Oh, please. And in general too, it makes me feel better about myself. Of course.

Because who fucking cares? And also every single person that you see on television over the age of 12 is filled with Botox. For sure. You know why? Because it's awesome. Because it works. It's so great. Until they start, what they need to do is they need to develop some kind of a computer program that can just automatically go in and pull out wrinkles. Yeah.

That's what they need to do. But until then, it's on the individual performer. Yeah. And it's, oh man. I love it. You just love it. You just love it. Do you feel like spinning in a circle? Like a pretty girl in a dress with an apron on the front? I get car sick really easily, so I think that would be a mistake.

But I give money to charity too. It's not like this is my only. Girl, you're in Hollywood. You're a Hollywood on-camera presence. You are a star of the Food Network. You are a dessert queen. Thank you. You don't want wrinkles in that shit. No, I don't need it.

Although I have them and support them 100%. I have like, I have a crevice in my forehead that a while ago I was like, fuck it. I'm going to go with this. Yeah. Like, I mean. I have gray hair when they're like, I'm just going to grow gray. I can't do that yet because if I did, I could go completely gray really fast. No, you, I like your dark hair. You don't need it. I need it. I need it.

I feel the same way bangs. Like I just, they're my comfort. Exactly. This is, I need some dark hair leftover from the my nineties. Mods. we call it a mod slash goth phase. I didn't really ever commit to anything entirely except for beer. But I need the hair, I need some darkness around me at all times. Bangs and a fucking bob haircut. And a strong lip and a hoop earring.

And a beer. And a, oh, lonely. Yeah, and like, yeah, like a lip liner only. No lipstick. What are we talking about now? I don't know. I just kind of went that way. Hey, I finished The Simpsons show.

Oh, you haven't. The New Simpsons. And you love it? So we're talking about the O.J. Simpson made an America document, 30 for 30 documentary. Unbelievable. Did you watch? Did you see the crime scene photos? No. Okay. So made an America document, 30 for 30 documentary. Unbelievable. Did you watch? Did you see the crime scene photos? No.

Okay, so here's what they do. Everyone was like, episode four, hardcore crime scene photos, like just be prepared. So they showed them. Four or five? Four. Okay, then I think I'm halfway through four. So I haven't seen the hardcore one. So they show you, they show them and I'm like, oh, I must be so fucking crazy and desensitized because

this is nothing. It was just like, oh, and then suddenly it's a fucking up close of her neck wound. Oh no. Of Nicole Simpson's, sorry, Nicole Brown's neck wound. I haven't seen that. Like no warning. And I thought like, oh, I can see that like her sad, sad, crumpled body. His body really kind of did get to me. Not Goldman, man.

It's so sad. I just, you know, he like, he like came upon her being attacked. It's not even like, I always thought that they were there together and OJ freaked out because he thought they were dating. Right. He wasn't even there yet when the attack on Nicole started. They say that in the documentary? That's like proven fact? It's yeah. She got attacked during that and fell to the ground. And that's when he came in. And she was just bringing her mom's reading glasses that she

had left at the restaurant where he waited tables. Nightmare and nightmare for that mom. I mean, she would, I mean, oh, yeah, because to have that connection of like, Oh, I needed my glasses back. And then they totally bothered me. And that I keep thinking about him. And anyway, it's not good. Yeah. So bothered me and that I keep thinking about him and his... Anyway, it's not good. Yeah. So you should finish it. I will definitely finish it. I think it's like every time I go home after a day of work where I'm like a little bit wrung out, a little tired, I just want to listen to British people. Oh.

Oh, I tried it. Speaking of which, what? The show? The tunnel? Mm-hmm. It's a reading show. I tried to watch episode two last night and I fell asleep almost immediately. And I kept closing my eyes going, now I don't know what's happening because I'm not looking because I'm not reading.

But I love it. I was bored. Four minutes in. Oh, four minutes. I'm going to try it again and try some more. Too much reading? No. Too like, fucking dramatic. Like too dramatic. Like just too like, you know, like the cute

officer is like, Cheerio, you can take the body and like take this murder, it's all yours. Bye. And then it's like, but then the body falls apart in half. Spoiler alert. What? The body falls apart. half. Spoiler alert. What? The body falls apart. Oh, shit. I mean, that was in the first two minutes. You know what I mean?

No, I know. No, I think I hear what you're saying. I accept what you're saying. I think it's interesting though. I like that it's like the French female cop who's, of course, a beautiful young French actress but is also playing this borderline autistic, very all business. Bitchy kind of.

Bitchy and like kind of like, I don't care if you're making a joke. I don't care if you're being charming. I'm saying, I want everyone to know I'm saying bitchy and like bitchy. Like it's fucking awesome. But it is awesome. I don't feel like, what a bitch. No, we like bitchy. I'm going to try it again.

I pretty much 90% of the time hate every show, like the first 10 minutes. Yeah. I'm like, I hate the show, but. Because it's hard to get used to new things. That's true. Speaking of new things, I have a present for you and for me from a listener. Is this our first listener viewer mail? Yeah.

A listener mail? Don't worry. I have a PO box. So if anyone wants to send us shit, you can message me and if you're not insane and have okay grammar, I'll give you our PO box number. So Caroline Abernathy sent us a present. Caroline? To my PO box.

She's a sweet baby angel. Have you already opened it? I fucking have. And I know she already, she was like, I'm sending you this thing. And I'm like, great. Oh, awesome. I'll tell Karen. So first thing I thought of it's full of live moms.

I haven't opened it. Creepy. Kaboom. And that's how they died. So she, so she can, she sells this in her Etsy shop. It's called her Etsy shop is anime gravy with a capital a I don't know if that's necessary. Like you have to put that in order. Are you ready for this president? Okay, Mike down real quick. Okay

She's on she's on scrolling a small put It's the stay sexy don't get murdered with Elvis and the owl poster. We each have our own. Oh my God. This is gorgeous. I know. So this chick is so, for new listeners, I mean, get with the program. But, so we always- First of all, let us reprimand you for being real. This is amazing. Stay sexy, don't get murdered is our catchphrase. The thing we always say. Our catchphrase. Our catchphrase? No, it's just something we started saying and people like it. My catchphrase is, what are you talking about, Willis?

That's right. I forgot. I forget. And then Elvis, my cat, is holding... Holding a queen. It looks just like him. It looks exactly like him. And the owl, of course, is the owl theory from the staircase. Which is very funny. A lot of people pointed out on the Facebook page, we've never really talked about that on the podcast.

It's like something you and I have personally talked about and just referenced. Right. We've mentioned it being a theory, but we haven't discussed if we believe it or not. I think it's like we've discussed how we've discussed it, essentially. So there's a lot of people who are like, wait, when did they talk about this? It's disgusted. Yeah. It is disgusting. This is amazing.

And it's like my, it's like, look, it's the color of my walls too. It's like this like mint green that I'm obsessed with. Beautiful. It's so cute. This is the best. So you guys can go to anime gravy and you can buy it. I want to tell everyone it's just $10, but I feel like she should up the price right now. This is worth more than $10.

It's only $25. Caroline Abernathy? Yeah. That's really cool. Thank you so much. I haven't read the note actually. Oh, let's see. Should I read the note? Yes. Dear Karen and Georgia, I'm so happy that you like my drawing. Thanks for always making

me laugh then feel dumb as fuck about all the murders and smile again by asking Elvis if he wants a cookie. I've introduced multiple friends to your podcast. It's the perfect friend filter to see who's cool enough to hang out with murderinos. You two rock so fucking hard. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered, Caroline. Thank you. Oh my God. I love it so much. That's really exciting. I'm going to get it framed.

I love it. Now greedily, the next thing I was immediately going to say is now I want one of those little pendants that say, stay sexy, don't get murdered. We need to give her a shout out. Let me see here. I think we did once. We totally have. That's the one who's named Flossie, right? Or am I, is that a... Hey, Steven, will you look that up for us since you're here? Oh, you guys, this week we have a sound recording engineer. Right. Remember how we had technical difficulties last week, Stephen? I'm helping us, the sound not get murdered.

Thank you. Stephen Ray Morris, who you know and love from the Facebook group, is helping us because Tech Diff's last week. We're trying to get up. We're just trying to be professional. You know how we strive and aspire to be better every week. I've never felt worse about, like, been more about not having a belch ready when you said

that. I'm like, you know me, I'm fucking belch. Get one ready and then drop it in as a surprise at some point during the podcast. And they will. Oh, I just remembered. So the podcast that I love that I go to sleep to called Sleep With Me podcast. He gave us a shout out. He gave me a shout out and gave my favorite murderer a shout out. I was listening to it and I'm so sorry I was fast forwarding in the beginning because he talks about like who's, oh, we have the person who. Oh, let's see.

Her name. Is it one of those people? Yes, it is. Cool. But I don't know which one. I just touched the picture. Should something happen? No, we don't know yet.

It's that one. Okay, cool. Oh, we're continuing my search. We just have to do a step by step. Thank you. I was fast forwarding through the part that I don't care about the beginning. See, everybody's a skipper in some way. I skipped the very beginning, but not the like good stuff. So, and I heard Georgia H

and as I'm skipping and I was like, wait a second, go back. And he was like, he is just like so sweet. He like gives everyone a shout out. So, and he said my favorite M dial M for like he quit on a sleep podcast. He didn't want to say the word murder, which I love. That's sweet. Yeah. If you guys have insomnia, listen to the Sleep With Me podcast. It's my new ambient. That's great. It's so fucking good. That's really, oh, that's so exciting.

Isn't that nice? Oh, you know what? We got a shout out and people have talked about it on the dollop. And I just wanted to give people, we already talked about how he called you Georgina Hube Stanky. I don't know if he, he asked me for your email. So he hasn't emailed me. Okay.

I'm sure he's going to email you a long and involved apology. I'm sure it's an apology. But if you like, the dollop is Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds and they tell weekly, I think it's actually bi-weekly. They go over crazy historical stories from America, Australia, anywhere. So cool. And they're insane. Like there's this one I would start with that's about bathing suits, like men's bathing suits and the why.

You know the boys and men used to be required to swim naked until like the 60s. I swear to God, it's the craziest story where you're like, it's like anyway. I love fucking stupid historical facts that you just like wouldn't know. That's the dollop a hundred percent. Dave basically reads the story. Garrett's never heard the story before. And he does what I do. Yes, exactly. And then just like Riff's thing. It's really hilarious. It's one of my favorite

podcasts. But anyway, so they gave us a shout out. So all these people were like, Oh, that's so weird. I love that podcast. And then so Dave told me, I said, I texted Dave and said, thank you. And then I said, is it okay if I tell them that you were my first comedy boyfriend? Because Dave Anthony and I dated in the 90s. Boyfriend boyfriend? Yeah, he was my boyfriend. He was my first real boyfriend when I lived in San Francisco. And so I said, is it okay if I tell them you were my first comedy boyfriend? And then he just texted back in all caps, there were others, which was hilarious. So

I think people like a little inside scoop of fun stuff because people just think that we're all like, I just think it's funny that people are like, that's so weird that my favorite podcast, The Doll Up gave a shout out to my favorite murder. And it's like, yeah, I've known Dave for almost 30 years. Well, I feel like the comedy, the comedian people, like you've met them all. And I actually asked you before like, Hey, can I give this podcast a shout out? Because I don't know if you hate this. You might have history with this fucking person. And I'm like, maybe you piss that I. Right. So yeah, you know, I mean, you know, everyone. Okay. We know who these key chains are made by. They're metal and they're stamped with stay sexy,

don't get murdered. They're amazing. With a little heart at the bottom. Yeah. Yes. It's by Etsy seller. My heart has plans. Do it. My heart has plans. So if you just, I honestly just Googled stay sexy, don't get murdered, Etsy. And that was like the first thing. And then the cross stitching one that popped up. Oh yeah. Shit comes up. There's some good stuff on there.

We're Googleable. Okay. We're back in the present. Sadly, we're Stephen List, but I love that he's here with us now. He's here with us now. He's here with us then. I love in the timeline of the podcast that he's joined us finally. Me too. He was so badly needed.

And if you can just picture it too, like we're still in my apartment. There's a love seat that I am just probably really... offensively sprawled across. Yes, I was offended constantly. Right? And you were on the couch and then Stephen would just sit on the carpet. It was just this like apartment carpet

and he was just like happy as a fucking clam sitting on this carpet recording, laughing and giggling to himself. Stephen was crisscross applesauce over on the side, giggling and like basically encouraging what we were doing, which was much needed and much appreciated. He didn't even ask for a chair, now that I think of it. And I didn't offer him one, now that I think of it.

Look, we were going through some stuff, trying to get it done. Pretty sure I had a vintage dining set that no one ever used. I could have given him a chair, but he wanted to be... AMT. It was to his left. He could have gotten it if he wanted to. MS. True. It was a tiny apartment. There was no dining room. Yeah. AMT. But I feel like he has the true soul of a podcast engineer where he's like, I'm going to be invisible and sit here and listen and then take notes and help you. MS. Right. I'm basically another listener. I'm just like better at it than most listeners.

Yeah, I'm first at it, kind of. So also there was an example of Stephen immediately being, not just useful as the sound guy, but then I couldn't remember the name of that Etsy creator who made a key chain, he immediately finds it for us. Of course he does. But also we get our first listener mail, like a package, because a listener named Carolyn Abernathy,

who has an Etsy shop called Anime Gravy, of course, sent us that classic Elvis writing an owl image with Stay Sexy and Don't Get Murdered on it. It's a beauty. I love it to this day. It was so thrilling to see that picture when we first saw it where it was like, oh, someone's out there listening

and then making something because of what they hear. Yeah, and now it's like in our hands and tangible and I have to start paying for framing. Yes. Oh, those were your thoughts at the time. Well, I think I was still a thumbtack. I was still a thumbtack girl at the time. So yes.

And her Etsy shop, Anime Gravy Art, all one word, is still open and this poster is still available for sale. So go get yourself a classic piece of MFM merch history. And thank you, Caroline, for being a part of that history. Yeah. What a lovely experience that was very early on. Truly. Well, it's time for, I think,

George's story in this episode, right? Episode 23. Yeah. And it's the story about the chessboard killer. Sorry, Santa, you and the reindeer have been great, but we're bringing in someone new this year. I'm sorry, you're firing Santa? reindeer have been great, but we're bringing in someone new this year. I'm sorry, you're firing Santa? I am. We can do it ourselves.

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I think you're right. With the old sawn beans. Oh, right. So last week we talked, we did a 1500s murder, which we were both like, that was a mistake. What I liked is when I re-listen to it, it's just so clearly reading. It was like we were being forced to read book reports in front of our class. That's what it sounded like. We tried to have fun with it, but I mean, you know.

Okay. So we gave ourselves another, we gave ourselves an I survived theme. And I think from now on, let's do a couple more weeks of no theme. No theme. After this. But I do, I do like this one. Once again, did you get painted into a box? No, no, no. I like this one.

I think it's cool. And it's something I've never heard of and it's creepy and fucked up. And I like it. It's for sure. But I like to go wild. You just like to be yourself and decide what you want to do at the last second. I want to do me. You're on your journey. I'm positive that my vocal fry has gotten worse since we started this podcast.

You sound a little like you're getting over a thing. You know what's weird? I had a little throaty feeling last night. Were you getting over hanging out with me and taking my end? I'm over it. Then getting my vocal fry. It's catching. It's contagious.

You know who hates vocal fries? 52 year old single divorced dads. Those are the only people who complain about it. Sounds like you're thinking of someone very specific. My own? No, my dad's. My dad, do you see he keeps commenting on our shit? Yeah, he is totally into it, isn't he?

He keeps writing like, he always writes like, you go girl. He's seriously like, I used to have a blog and I didn't tell them about it. And then I started getting posts that were like, you go girl. I'm like, that's my fucking dad. I know it. And then one day it was like, so how's your blog? His name's Martin, right? Marty. Marty was like, how's your blog? I fucking knew you were you go girl. He loves you. He's so proud of you. He's so supportive. My dad heard from, he said, Hey, there's a fireman whose daughter and all her friends listen to your murder podcast. I swear to God. And I was like, Oh, he texted it to me because what's it called? And I said, my favorite murder. And he goes,

how come you didn't tell me about it? And I go, cause there's a ton of swearing and we talk about murder the whole time. And then he was like, Oh, you or something. I was like, I hope to God, my father never listens to this. I don't care if mine does. I bought him my favorite murder shirt. Oh, no. So you see an older man, a distinguished older man walking around New Orleans with my favorite murder shirt on. With two cartoony girls on his shirt. That might be Marty.

Marty. Marty. He's the best. Okay, sorry. No. That might be Marty. Marty. Marty. He's the best. Okay, sorry. No. We derailed you. We could do this all day. All right.

So my favorite murder, I survived addition. Sweet. So do you know that Alexander Pyshchansky? Pyshchansky. Pyshchanskin. Hold on a second. You know when you're like writing, writing, writing all day and then you never say it out loud? What the fuck?

Oh yeah. Should have practiced that. Pishushkin. Pishushkin. Listen, he's Russian, okay? And they murdered my people. Pishkin? Pishkin. No, I don't know. Pishushkin. Pishushkin. Peshushkin. I think I'm going to go with that. Okay. AKA the chessboard killer. No. Yeah. The chessboard killer. He's

called that because he was methodically hunting people and sought to kill one person for every space on the chessboard. I love this. I've never heard of it. Yeah, I love this already Russian dude Russian serial killer He's also known as the bits of park maniac because the bits of park in Russia is where he did it's with Moscow Southwest Moscow is where he did a lot of his best work Wow Can I do a high school brag and say I've been to Moscow? Have you I went on a trip like one of those package tours a high school brag and say I've been to Moscow? Have you? I went on a trip, like one of those package tours in high school. It was called Russia, Poland and the East.

Dude, I want to go on that. It was crazy amazing. And it was 1987. So it was before the wall came down. You think now that I look 16, because I have Botox, they'll let me pretend I'm in high school and go. Yeah, absolutely. Oh my God.

That's honestly like I'm dying to go to like, I want to go to East Berlin, which I know doesn't exist anymore. But it was crazy. It was crazy. And it there was all this stuff because it was still was it still the Soviet Union is that yeah, technically. So there's all this old these old buildings that were just left over. It was almost like how I imagine Cuba probably is where it's like the great times. Just leave it there. Even though it's this huge empty building that no one's in anymore. It was driving all the same old cars. No one had. And it's like, it was amazing. And there was, they had tables set up. I'm totally have derailed you, but I'm talking about this.

They had tables set up in the street and you would go up and you would give them, you know, three rubles or whatever. It was like so cheap. And then you had, you would just pick up a little pre-poured glass of warm Coke and just drink a little, like probably three fingers of Coke and then give them the glass back. And they would take it and sterilize it and then pour more Coke in the glass. And it was like a little card table that was set up. It's like when you're running a marathon, except when they hand you coke and you pay for it. So you just stop and have a couple sips of coke.

That is so weird. And they also had vodka vending machines. Better. I would do that one instead. Yeah. We drank a lot of vodka. We were all allowed to drink because the drinking age over there was like 16. It was nuts. Anyway.

That sounds incredible. I would kill to go on a grocery store. Like I'm obsessed with authentic grocery stores. I would go to that grocery store so hard. Their grocery stores were very sparsely stocked. This is the toothpaste. There's not a bunch of brands. This is toothpaste. Yeah. Which I'm kind of like, let's do that now No No, I'm not a communist or a socialist. No, you're definitely not a socialist, but you are a Bernie, bro Right, so I'm sick of it overwhelmed. That is not I just want everyone know that's not true

Actually, you're a Republican actually a Trumpster. Yeah Sorry, okay, go ahead. No, I don't even just I'm what I'm saying is ask me anything about Russia Why did you kill my people? So Pshishkin, he committed his first murder in 1992. He was a student, college or high school. I don't care. So he was motivated in part by a macabre competition with like the better known Russian serial killer, Andre Chikatilo. Yes. Who's like the creepiest creep, kind of hot creep. No, he's not hot.

He's like older dude hot. No, he's in no way hot. A little bit older dude hot. Doesn't he have a dent in his head? Oh no, I'm into that. Oh, okay. Sorry. I have a thing for his head? Oh no, I'm into that. Oh, okay. Sorry. I have a thing.

Yeah, you're right. That's very judgmental. Dented head. Who am I to say? I feel dirty. So wait, sorry. He didn't know him. He was just like, he knew what he did and was competing with him that way. Yeah. Which is like find someone else to compete with. Find an Olympic athlete.

Although Chickatilla was kind of the Olympic athlete of serial killers. I wonder if this Alexander Pyshchkin is pissed that he actually didn't beat him. You know he is. Yeah. So, blah, blah, blah. Andre was convicted in 92 of killing 53 children and young women over a 12 year period. So this guy was like, I'm going to do 64 for a chess board. Quick question. 64 on a chess board, correct? Yes. Let's just go with it. So okay, here's-

Correct. Moving on. Here's a regular fact on my favorite murder. His mom says that the beginning of his downfall on becoming a crazy person was when he was Send him back ding-dong. Yeah, he's hit on the head by a swing at age four And I'm like unless the swing was made of cinder blocks. That's but that's what happened to Richard road Richard Ramirez, he got hit in the head with a swing. Exactly. Yes. They're made of rubber. It's enough.

Yeah, I think in the 70s, 80s. Do concussions affect children more than they do adults? Probably. You're a doctor, right? Yes. Please ask me anything. I love lying. You're a Russian doctor, right? Yes. Please ask me anything. I love lying. You're a Russian doctor, right? I think we've established that I love to bullshit. So the answer there is no, I mean-

The thing is, if you act like you're right, you're technically right. Yeah, except until I tell on myself the next episode. Right. And apologize. So this Peshishkin lured his victims. He mostly was into elderly homeless men, not in a sexual way. He would say to them in this park, hey, do you guys want to get shitfaced on vodka? I'm paraphrasing here. And he would say like, let's go to the grave of my beloved dog that's

like deep in the park. And he was actually not, he was actually really loved animals. He was never, and he got hit in the head, but he didn't kill animals. Then they'd go out there and be drinking and he would attack them with a hammer. Oh man. That's just the, that would hurt a lot. Just to like, okay. That became his trademark and And then he would, oh no, this became his trademark. He would do that and then he would push a vodka bottle into the gaping wounds of their skulls. Oh no. It's like when you make a watermelon vodka thing. What is that? You know what I'm talking

about? When you like poke a hole in a watermelon and then empty a bottle of vodka in there. Yeah. He was kind of trying to do one of those. Fourth of July. Maybe he was a frat boy. Oh, it's just pickling that brain. Lost it a little bit in the park. Russian frat boys are different than they are here. Oh yeah.

I'd rather have a frat boy from here than a Russian frat boy. I don't know. I don't want to choose. I choose neither. Oh, I didn't know that was a choice. Otherwise, I still would have chosen Americans. Most of his victims were elderly men, but he did kill three women and one child. The body of one of the women was, I don't know. Do you want to know how, that there were tiny stakes

hammered into her skull and around her eyes or no? Yeah. Okay. I mean, yeah. Stakes? Tiny stakes. Like, like not Like, like pitching a tent. Yeah. Usingakes? Tiny stakes. Like, not- Like, like pitching a tent, using, oh. Not like, om-yom-yom-stakes. Yeah.

He said once, for me, life without murder is like life without food for you. I felt like the father of all these people since it was me who opened the door for them into another world. Yeah, that's not true. They're like, I prefer Marty. I prefer my for them into another world. Yeah, that's not true. They're like, I prefer Marty. I prefer my actual dad, but thanks. Dads aren't supposed to be like that. So, okay. So here, let's get to the survivor. All right. Yes.

Fucking bad ass bitch. Her name was Maria Viracheva. She was 19 and three months pregnant, which already you're like, come on, let me get through this. Yeah. You know? Pregnant and the man, her boyfriend was a friend of this killer. Oh. Which is like, date someone else, find better friends. She met him, she ran into him at work. She and her boyfriend had just gotten into a huge fight and so she was pissed off hanging out near the metro station and he saw her and

was like... And he had been hunting for a victim and this is in February of 2002. I should have started with that. So he said that most of his male victims, he was able to get them away with alcohol was the thing that they, the reason they would go with him. But for women, he said, quote, women always need to have a financial interest. Fuck you. You don't know me. Man, I like vodka. I know. I don't need your fucking money.

I like dead pets, graves. Yeah. Yeah. Stupid. I'll cheers over that. Dick. So he says to her that he has several boxes of brand new contraband cameras. Oh yeah. Stashed outside the park.

Sorry. Women always love cameras. That's really true. If there's some kind of deal going, like a sales deal or like, oh, I have this thing I'm going to cut you in on it. Just say no. Even if it's true, you're still probably going to get arrested. You have to pay for things that you want in this life. When you try to sidestep that fact, you mess with the wrong people. You end up in the forest at a dog's grave, what have

you, and then with a vodka bottle in your head. Free money isn't free. Just go without. Just get a job. Buy your own shit. Stay out of the forest. It's never going to be chill. That's going to be the quote. Get a job. What was it? Get a job. Anytime we list anything in threes, we want you to put it on a poster. There was another one. Shit, Karen is full of quotes tonight. I'm full of beans.

Sunny beans. Oh my God. Okay. We've got to get through this. So all right. So here's what he does. He's like, here's some cameras in here. Come on in with me.

And she's like, okay, don't do that. Because she was pissed at her boyfriend, you know. It's a great way to rebel. I've done some stupid shit and I she was pissed at her boyfriend, you know? It's a great way to rebel. I've done some stupid shit and I'm like pissed at my boyfriend. Yeah. So he takes her over to where he says he left the camera, which is this well,

this like brick well into the like forest ground. And he lifts a man who'll cover off and he was like, hey, take a look inside, dude. And she approaches, he grabs her and shoves her into the well. And she's trying to grasp the edges of the rim of the well. And he grabs her by the hair and just like starts smacking her head against the concrete walls. Which is so weird. They didn't even kill her before. It was like almost this fun toying

with her thing. But she let herself fall. She said, quote, I realized that he would kill me like this, so I let go. It's like, which side is better up or down? And he yells to her, take a bath there. Can come up with something better? Yeah, that's not funny. Yeah. She said, my head hurt terribly, but I wanted to live. So after falling about 30 feet, Maria lands in a sewage pipe about a foot in diameter with the stream running through about three feet high. So it's like the sewage line. And I might have gotten some of those numbers wrong because guess what? They were like in meters and shit and I tried

to change them. Yeah. Because I was like, how do you land in a... But basically she, it's down a well and then a slightly smaller thing. Down a well, it's tight, falls 30 feet about, it's a tight little area. And she's in like, let's, I don't know, it seemed like waist high rushing sewage water. Rushing. And it's trying to get her into this like pipe, into this other part of the sewage system that she definitely would have drowned in. Luckily she fucking puts her arms to the And it's trying to get her into this pipe, into this other part of the sewage system that she definitely would have drowned in.

Luckily, she fucking puts her hands to the side and stops herself from going down that pipe. She removes her jacket and boots real quick. Man, this girl's smart. She was able to plant her feet and hands on the side of the pipe to stop from being swept away by a shit storm. So gross. I know, swept away by a shit storm. So gross. I know, man. Like what a bad day. So she finds another well, like she, I guess she goes through,

but it sounds like she was in there for hours and eventually finds an iron ladder running up to the side. She goes up, what? Say it. Like someone had shot an iron ladder. Sorry. Wait, what? Say it. Like someone had shat an iron ladder. Sorry. Wait, what? She's in a sewage thing and then an iron ladder floats by. Someone had shat it. Don't make me say it twice.

It's a terrible joke. I shouldn't have been laughing. I didn't get it. No, no. Like she finds it up the wall. It's like in the wall. She's like, ladder. It's not shoots

and ladders. We have to edit that part out. It's the worst joke I've ever said and I had to say it two times. Steven, don't take that note. This stays in. I've added out some shit for you before. This is not going to be one of them. I will just take all the edits I've done for you and put them into one episode and post them. Can you imagine? That's actually a genius idea. I will just take all the edits I've done for you and put them into one episode and post them. Can you imagine?

That's actually a genius idea. That's the Patreon. Because it won't make any sense because contextually. Just random terrible edits. That's awful things. Of all the stuff we've said. Like me saying someone shat an iron ladder. Okay, please continue.

So she finds this ladder up the wall, not from someone's balance. I know. I'm kidding. I love it. I love it. I love it. That's why you're a comedian. She climbs off it and she's like, well, shit, this is like an 80 something pound manhole

cover. She can't get it open. She's so close. And then she opens it a tiny bit and sees a woman running from it, like leaving. And she's like, well, that was my last chance. She's exhausted from crawling for hours through all the gross fucking sewage. She's like, this is it. I'm dead. But it turns out the woman had heard her screams and heard the manhole cover lift a little, or saw the manhole cover lift a little bit and like fucking ran for help to lift this manhole cover. So she was taken to the hospital. She and her kids survived. Man, I bet like, what is that kid's life like today?

Well, they could, they may have been somehow inoculated by being in all that shit. So they're like superhuman, never gets sick. Yeah. They're like, Marvel's like, how do we tell this story of a superhero? Well, let's see. Let's see. So she survives. Okay. Here's the worst part. Well, here's another bad part. She's reporting the incident to the police and somehow I've heard, I read a couple of different reasons. The police were like, nope, and like ended up making her sign something saying that she herself had accidentally fell under the well and that he had nothing to do with it.

What? Yeah. Either because she didn't have the correct papers, like citizen papers, or the cop was bored. It's like for some reason they were like, no, we're not going to pursue this. Wow. Yeah. So he went on to claim dozens of lives after that. Oh no. Yeah. So right now there's a criminal investigation going into the cop who, you know, okayed that.

I'm sure nothing will happen. He has two other survivors. One was a 14 year old homeless boy who also got thrown down a well in March 2002. He again said he tried to tell the police that they wouldn't listen to a homeless boy. How are you 14 and homeless Russia? Oh my, because that place is a, it's terrible. It's all like, it's either the super rich or the insanely poor. But that also happened in Chicatilo. When I saw that there was like a made for TV movie where Stephen Ray played the cop that was investigating him.

And when they realized he had been murdering all these people, they were like, you won't arrest him. Like it was as if like the Russian authorities were like, we're not admitting that we have this problem. And I think that is a way that they dictate the cops have to do stuff. Sure. If like some woman had been, especially because she knew him, because she could be like, it was this dude. Yeah. It's like they're saying like, we're not, that's not going to be a problem that

we're having. And from a couple of the accounts I read, she like came over to hang out with her boyfriend after that. Like she had to see him. No. What? He said something like, hey, you want to go for another walk? Like he fucking taunted her. That's crazy. I know.

It's also weird to have a habit of pushing people down wells. Totally. That's really weird. It is weird. It's usually it's like, you know, they're into the murder part. Well, it's weird that he went from hitting someone on the head with a hammer. And in addition to that, he liked pushing people down a well. Yeah.

It doesn't really make, like you should do one, you should do one and then the other. Yeah. Pick an MO. Get your style going. Yeah. And then like with the checker or checkers with the chess like, come on man, pick one. So the murder of Marina Moskalova in 36, who was 36 in the spring of 2006 was his last murder. They actually found her body with a Metro ticket in it with his trademark injuries. And they found a video of him and her from the Metro station walking together. Oh, yeah. So they caught him.

He was arrested June 2006, convicted of 49 murders and three attempted murders. And it seems like he asked, he asked to be convicted for 60 murders. Wow. Just like, fuck off. Because he wanted credit for all the murders he had done. He got life in prison with the first 15 years to be spent in solitary confinement. So I'm sure he's going to be 15 years. You can't do that. Where are we? Russia. You nutty place.

15 years in solitary confinement. Is there even a reason for that? Or it's just pun. It's like we can't give you the death penalty. So we're just going to do this. Yeah, I guess so. Oh yeah. Why not kill them? 15 years? That's awful.

Did you hear recently in California, they passed a law that juveniles can't get more than like two hours of solitary confinement, which I think is, I almost cried when I heard that because it's such an obvious smart thing to do. Yeah. It makes you think what's happened that made them pass that law. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Fuck. Okay. So, and he and Peshushkin has said that he would have continued killing indefinitely

if he hadn't been stopped. I believe it. Yeah. He's a fucking weirdo. Yeah. I just want to give fucking a shout out to Maria for being such an incredible badass. You know what? Here's the smartest thing she did. Yeah.

You're ever in water, take off anything heavy that you're wearing, jacket, boots, clothes like that. Interesting. That's what drags you down. Really? It makes you tired when you have to tread water. It makes you super tired. Anything like that, boots or anything, pants, take it off. Very interesting. I never thought about that.

That's very smart of her. Very. Yeah. Especially when you're in shit water. She's just like, how can you concentrate on that? Maria Vera Chavilla, which like, you don't find a lot of stuff when you Google her at all. Right. Him, it's like the same shit over and over again. He's gross. There's photos of him.

He's a creep. He's not hot like Chickatilla. Oh, shut up. I like him dented. Physically and emotionally dented. Inzad now. Okay, we're back. Here's what's crazy.

Yeah. This is the first episode where I say stay out of the forest. The whole chunk of the saying that I say because of this story you tell me that is so awful. I know. Just this one, you know, they all do in their different ways. This one sticks in my mind just for the sheer brutality of it

and the fact that there was a survivor. Like, she survived this monster. It's just incredible. And he continued to kill. Like, the amount of monster. It's just incredible. And he continued to kill. Like, the amount of time it took for him to finally get arrested and put in prison is just absurd and bananas. Horrible. And just so hard to, like, listen to.

OK, and also, I have some updates. Oh, yeah. Specifically on Maria Vercheva. In the original episode, we wonder why Maria claimed she accidentally fell into the well instead of that he attacked her. Specifically on Maria Verucheva, in the original episode, we wonder why Maria claimed she accidentally fell into the well instead of that he attacked her. And now we know that the police officer

who took her statement promised to tell her boyfriend that she was safe and to bring her clean clothes, but only if she agreed to say it was an accident. Why? And that officer was later jailed for incompetence, which is fucking nice to hear. Senior investigator Andrei Supernenko said, quote, his only motive was I do not want to work.

That's all. He did not need to search for anyone or prove anything. If only he had worked out properly then, the killer would have been detained. We would have, we would then not have seen more than half the corpses. So just like we were talking about, it's because of this one officer's incompetence and laziness. Horrible. And then yeah, again, also Maria didn't have proper documents to live in Moscow. And so

she feared the consequences from that. And that's also part of why she didn't press charges or move forward and really try to take that case to the next level. But in 2006, Maria bravely testified against Pachewskian, even facing him directly as part of the police investigation. So good for her. She finally got her justice and she gave birth to a healthy baby but was forced to give the child up for adoption. So this poor girl. And as I said in the episode, Pachewskian was sentenced to life in prison with the first 15 years in solitary confinement and as of 2017 he's been serving time in a Russian correctional facility way up beyond the Arctic Circle known as the polar owl That's very Hogwarts. Yeah, but I bet it's not also since this is the phrase that pays

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Well, mine this week is once again me retelling you an episode, my favorite episode of I Survived. I'm so excited. My favorite crime show, if you're new to this podcast, hi, welcome. My favorite crime show. Should I do it again? You can. Yeah. Of all I would say is I Survived because it's a beautifully produced, it's television well-made. It's one-on-one interviews where people speak slightly off camera purely telling their story of survival with no reenactment, no cheesy actors, no

shots of anything, just the story, which is 1000 times scarier and more upsetting than if you were cutting away to some dumb. That show made me realize those cutaways in other first-hand story shows just dead in the effect. Yeah. When a person is sitting there telling you what happened to them. Face to camera. There's no scarier, no realer. I mean, that's it. Honestly, I don't. There's a helicopter.

Just a light invasion. Listen, we're in Hollywood. Murder. So it is. Murder cap. I don't, I hate reenactments. They just take you out of it. They're corny.

Yeah. They're not, you can't reenact the actual violence of what took place. And I mean, there's just, I don't like it. And sometimes on some shows, they're so gratuitous. There's like an extra sound effect and the girl's always in a bra. We were like, really? Can we say the exception is a crime to remember? We love a crime to remember. Yeah.

Yeah. Those reenactments are perfectly done. Dude, they're gorgeous. Yeah. They're gorgeous. So, and I survived. Back to my favorite show. Well, I should say one of my favorite shows, but it's all these stories I remember because they're so perfectly told. So this one I loved because I love the girl that tells the story that it happened to her and her name is Sarah Brady. And this happened when she was 26 years old and nine months pregnant.

What the pregnant women? She was Yeah, that's right. Oh my God, weird. And Sarah was apparently overdue. So she was like waiting to have this baby any moment. Fuck. Can you, I'm not like her, everything is swollen.

Everything's hard. You're doing everything for two. So here's what happens. She's registered at Baby Zara. And she gets a call one day from a woman who says her name is Sarah Brody. What year is this? This is 2004. Okay.

So she gets a call. A woman says, my name is Sarah Brody. And I got one of your, we're both registered, I guess, at Baby's R Us because I got one of your packages. So similar names. Yes. Shit, man. And so she's like, oh, okay, crazy. I got one of your packages. Similar names. Yes. Shit, man. And so she's like, oh, okay, crazy. I'll come and get it. Yeah. You live on my way to work, whatever. So they make this plan. She goes and she picks up

the package. She goes into the woman's apartment. This woman lives in a basement apartment. She said it was a completely fine exchange. They talked a little bit about how they were both nervous to be mothers. They just talked about, you know, whatever. And we'll call her our Sarah, the good Sarah, who says that she just got the impression this girl was very young and she seemed kind of alone. So she had a kind of a warmth toward her because she was like, oh, you know, and we have kind of the same name and they're basically seem like they're gonna have babies right at the same time. So thanks, see you later, great, takes the package, goes home. So a couple days later, there's another phone call.

And it's her again going, I got another package for you. And so when she gets off the phone, she is, I think she's having the baby with her boyfriend there engaged to be married. So her fiance or boyfriend's brother is there at their house. And she goes, that girl got another package for me. I have to go get it. And the brother goes, that's weird. I don't, I have a bad feeling about this. Don't go over there. Holy shit, really? Yeah. And she goes, no, goes no no no you don't understand

I already met her saw her face to face. She's totally normal and fine. She's a murderino Who he could be I don't think a normal person like every situation I'm and I'm like is that gonna be a murdery situation right he had his vibe out kind of yeah He was like I don't like the sound of this, basically said to her. And she was like, don't be crazy. A murderino, by the way, is just basically someone like us that we call, that someone on Facebook coined is obsessed with murder. Yeah. Was that for the first time person that you attacked earlier? I'm just trying to be nice to them at this point because they're like, I know they don't

like me. They're like not on my side. They're not voting for my murder. We vote on this podcast by the way. We voted the Andrae to see who vote on this podcast, by the way. We voted the Andrae to see who won. Oh God, I hope not. So anyway, she's like, don't be crazy. So the next day she goes back over there. Well, this time she says the feeling is a little bit different. Just a little, there's a little tension in there. So she's like, great. Here's the package. And she's like, I want you to come back here and come and look at this thing. And she's like, I really have to go. I have

to pick up my son from school. I have things I have to do. And she basically kept trying to continue the conversation a little longer than Sarah felt comfortable. It was all that kind of vibe. And she said, but she just was trying to be polite. So she wanted to leave. You guys never be nice. Yeah. She wanted to leave, but she was kept erring on the side of politeness. So at one point she was like, she wanted to show her the nursery. She wanted to da da da. But finally Sarah was like, look, I have to pick up my son from school. I have to go. And then she

went into labor pains. She said she was having labor pains. Good Sarah, bad Sarah. Bad Sarah says she's having labor pains. Fuck. So she starts screaming like a lunatic. And she pulls good Sarah into the bathroom. And that is when Sarah said, she looked at her face and her face was the face of a completely different person. Like it was crazy, wild eyes, super scary. And then all of a sudden, like a light switch, she stopped screaming and said, oh, I guess

that's over. And so our Sarah is super weirded out and is like, all right, if you're okay, I have to go. And she's like, yeah, yeah, just hold on one second. I just need to go get this thing. So she goes back into the back of the apartment, bad Sarah does. Good Sarah's coming out. She looks, she kind of looks into a room and she said there was a People magazine cover that was framed. And whoever the celebrity was in the picture, she had scratched their face out. And so she was like, all of a sudden I was like, this is wrong. This is bad news.

She had framed a photo of a celebrity that she had scratched their face out. Yes. I can't remember. Just quick side note. You can't watch I Survived unless you sign up through your cable subscription like to watch it on Lifetime because they're on Lifetime now. And I tried to do it like 20 times so I could just get the word for word of this middle part of the story. I like it better when you tell it. Okay. But I just wanted to get this detail of like, because I think she said it was either Sarah Jessica Parker or like she says, Let's say Brangelina and the Angelina part of it is fucking scratched.

You can get the details if you watch it's season two, episode 10. I just couldn't access it through my laptop. Anyhow. Yeah. She's got the bad chills. She's freaking out. So she's like, I got to get out of here. She also then sees some paperwork with the name, like a bill or something with the name Katie Smith on it. So she's like, this isn't good. So she goes and she's like, I really have to leave.

And Sarah says, okay, but can I take, can I get a hug? And of course she wants to say no, but she feels like she has to say yes. Don't let people touch you. For some strange reason. Don't let people touch you if you're not comfortable with it. She goes in for the hug and when they come out of the hug, bad Sarah raises up a huge kitchen knife and tries to stab her. Our Sarah puts her hand up, blocks it and grabs the knife.

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no is screaming and running in this apartment building, gets to the front door of the apartment building, grabs it, tries to unlock it. Bad Sarah is right behind her, grabs her by the hair, drags her, screaming, kicking and screaming back downstairs, back down to the basement apartment. Oh my God. No one in the apartment building hears or comes out or does anything. Oh my God. She gets dragged back into the apartment. I don't think I can deal with this one. You got to hang in here with me. Okay. Because remember the name of the show? I know. I survived.

Okay. Sarah's the one telling us this story. She gets pulled back into the apartment. Oh also the first, this reminds me the first time she went there when she walked in the door the first time when she was like, it was fine. No big deal. She did remember, oh yeah, she did lock the door after me when I walked in. I do that though. You do. All right. So maybe we want to hold that one again. Still, I get why that would be creepy. I do that for friends, not for people I don't know. And also they live in Fort Mitchell, Kentucky, a tiny town apparently, according to what I read. So it's not, you know.

It's not, and then I gave out my address. So she pulls her back in and now she knows she's in a fight for her life. So she's like, I got to protect my baby and I got to stay alive. So they start wrestling and they go over the couch. They hit the coffee table. They're wrestling, wrestling, hitting each other, the whole thing. And finally good Sarah grabs the knife, stabs her three times. Holy shit. Yeah. Because this girl's trying to stab her to death. I thought this was going to be a takes the baby case.

Well, so Sarah staggers upstairs, covered in blood with her own, good Sarah, with her own, her hands are completely slashed. She gets outside and like gets across the street and is like laying on the sidewalk or the ditch or whatever. She got as far away as she could and then she basically was out. The cops show up and find her there. Then they go down to the basement apartment and find this girl whose real name is Katie Smith dead. So they're holding Sarah Brady. Sure. Are Sarah. Yeah. So they're holding Sarah Brady, our Sarah, holding her, you just murdered this girl,

this friend of yours, they were saying. And she's like, no, no, no, no. And they're like, you just murdered a pregnant woman. So will they go in and they search her apartment? She is not really pregnant. It was a false belly. Of course. She's never been pregnant. She's 22 years old. She's got the full nursery set up. She's got all the stuff. But then in another room, she's got all kinds of OBGYN equipment. Oh my God. including, sorry, including, oh, and they uncovered an obstetrics kit, equipped with gloves and surgical scissors in Smith's apartment. Holy shit. And they finally put it together that Katie Smith was planning on stabbing Sarah Brady

and cutting her fetus out of her body. This is how I thought it was going to end and I wanted to cry. That's what she was intending to do. This girl, Katie Smith had told everyone in her family and all her neighbors that she was pregnant with twins. She was showing people a sonogram of twins. She had everybody convinced. And now she was at the quote unquote nine month period and she had to get a baby. And apparently this girl, the bad Katie was obsessed with pregnancy from her teenage years. So she had been a little off or whatever and always had a thing about wanting babies and having babies and this

whole thing. So Sarah Brady, the cops bring her in and once they discover all this other stuff they're like, Oh, she was trying to kill you. And she's like, Yeah, that's what I was telling you. Like we're not friends. I don't know that girl. Yeah. This wasn't something of two pregnant women who are pissed at each other. This woman tried to kill me. And so even though she got brought in and questioned, she was cleared of all, she was never charged with anything. She was cleared of all suspicious. Yeah. Nine months pregnant and she fucking beat the shit.

And she fucking survived. And then they show, this is why I love her, is because first of all, when you watch this episode of I Survived, she's like every girl you went to high school with. She's like exactly how you picture her. She's just cute and young and she tells a story like, then she tried to stab me. It's like a normal human being. It's just like you know her. I totally feel like I've met her before. And then they show a picture of her with her little daughter, the baby that she has who's completely happy and healthy. And her whole thing is like, this had to happen. I now know what I'm made of. I'm like, this is what motherhood does. This is the power of women. There was no way I

was going to let her hurt my child. And it is the most, you just adore her at the end of this episode. And she says like, I wish that that girl wasn't so sick, but I did what I had to do and I got therapy or whatever, but this is what I had to do. I wouldn't have done it if she hadn't attacked me. I just got butterflies in my womb for the first time in years. That's the power of motherhood. That's the power of my storytelling on your motherhood. Karen, can I say that was a fucking great storytelling. Did you like that one?

Like you, you put, that was a good one. That was one of the best storytellings that we've had. Of my life? No. Now you've done better than that. I can't recommend I survived enough because their stories become your story. No, no, no, I'm watching it now. I've told that one a bunch of times.

That is crazy. It's my favorite. It's my favorite. She was also on Oprah, this girl. No. Good for her. What can, oh my God, tell me about, is it the brother-in-law? Uh-huh.

Oh, I don't know. He just got to the cop station. I was like, told you so. I fucking told you, Sarah. What did I say? You're just screaming that into her face. She's crying with her hands all bandaged. How bad would he have felt if she had actually gotten killed or whatever?

I told her so. But also it's like, that's the thing is he said, I have a bad feeling. Just let us go over there with you. And she was like, no, no, no. That's another thing is like, if somebody else just says, well, I'll just go with you. Yeah. What's the harm? That's the well, I'll just go with you. Yeah. What's the harm? That's the big deal.

Let them go with you. Let's not. Let's all make a pact, everyone listening, to not go into anyone's house that we don't know ever, even if it seems innocent. Really like a party or something? No. What you're saying is always take a buddy. Always take a buddy.

Always take a buddy. Don't be like, oh, come over. Come in. Let me grab the letter that I was going to. Right. No. No one has a letter for you. No.

That's a lie. So you have allergies. Just say, oh, I'm sorry. I'm really sick. You can throw out any kind of period reference. People will let you get out of anything. Like the 1700s, any period at all. Oh my God. I'm so sorry.

Classes, scene, era. No, I love a good book. My mom used to do a thing where she like, you can blame it on me. If you don't want to do like this thing, just say your mom won't let you. Yeah. Karen and Georgia right now are telling you, you can blame it on mom or your mom. Yeah. Say my friend Karen will get really mad.

Yeah. And it's probably true because I have a serious temper. I'm sorry if I come to that thing with you, my friend Karen, and just point over your shoulder with your thumb like I'm nearby. Like a vague point. Yeah. Like a vague reference to you. Sorry, my friend Karen won't let me. Yeah. Karen's in the car. Yeah.

But you could just be listening to the podcast, carrying this in the car. That's right. We're always with you and we're always mad about something. Oh, that was so good. Tell me her name again. Sarah Brady. Sarah Brady. Bad ass. From Fort Williams, Kentucky.

Don't fuck with Sarah Brady. Don't fuck with any of her type. No. Yeah. No. It. No. It's good stuff. So good. I mean, you got to watch that episode because the way she tells the story of fighting this

girl off is nuts. She looks like the girl that would sit next to you in homeroom telling a story about fighting off a knife attack. Jesus. It's always like you think of yourself as like, I have black hair and I would kick this person's ass. And then it's like, nope, it's the little fucking tiny cute one. It's always a little tiny cute one.

It's those. It's the ones you don't expect. Yeah. Well, also imagine like a huge kitchen knife, somebody even jokingly raising it up above your head. You'd just be like, what is happening? Yeah. I certainly wouldn't catch it with my hands. Yeah. Really? I have a harder time with that than.

It's so awful. There's lots of those stories. catch it with my hands. Yeah. Really? I have a harder time with that than... It's so awful. There's lots of those stories. Oh my god. I really have an issue. I really can't. It's gross. Even. Defensive wounds, man. Horrible. Do you want to hear him? A hometowner?

A hometowner? Yes. I got one. Cute. All right. I'm not going to say this because some people are going to send it to me. There's a different email address. Some people send it to me and then I know you haven't read it. So sometimes I'll read it, but I don't want people sending them to my email address because

it's a lot because I have anxiety and stress. Okay. There's plenty of ways to get ahold of us like at myfavoritemurderatgmail.com. Yeah, we should say that. Myfavoritemurderatgmail.com. Yeah. Send your hometown murders there. Totally. So many good ones. All right. So this is from Paula. I was 10 years old and it was 1990. Hey, we're the same age.

Hey, hi. My brother was graduating from Hickman County High School that year. Hickman County is a rural Tennessee town where maybe someone shoots up the trailer park because someone cheats. And then it says in parentheses, maybe it was my cousin's husband. What's her name again? Paula. Paula. But in the spring of 1990, the high school was still conducting a type of pre-graduation religious ceremony called Baccalaureate.

Baccalaureate. Do you know what that is? We had that too, yeah. Oh, yeah. I barely graduated high school. Do you know what that is? We had that too, yeah. Oh, yeah. I barely graduated high school. No, that's a Catholic thing. It was supposed to be held on Sunday afternoon after church with the graduates, usually around 150 kids and their immediate families in attendance.

Well, all of us were at church that morning. The school science teacher was turning the school into one giant bomb that would have went off during the ceremony. The school assistant principal, Mr. Ron motherfucking Wallace, that's what the motherfucking is for me because Mr. Ron Wallace had a daughter that was graduating. So he came in early to make sure everything would run smoothly. He apparently startled the science teacher, Donald Givens was his name. Donald shot and killed him. And since everything wasn't ready yet, parentheses, he had it set to slowly leak gas so that it would be an explosive, be on an explosive level during

the ceremony. Holy shit, that's some fucking Walter White shit. He panicked and just set things on fire. So Mr. Wallace being murdered saved hundreds of lives. The FBI did say that everything was actually set up correctly and it would have blown if his plan had been carried out. Myself and my entire family would have been casualties. It's such a weird event for me to reflect almost 30 years later. Oh God, is it 30? When I think of everything in my life since then, it was a national headline at the time, though being, although being when it was, it's hard now to find good info on why exactly he did it. Mostly just town gossipy reasons at this

point. I'm, I bet he hated those kids. Oh my God. Yeah. So much. He was, what is he, the science teacher? Is that what he said? Man, those little shits.

That's insane. How crazy is that? I feel like I've never heard a story of a teacher that tried to kill everybody at once. No, he was pissed. That's amazing. And that's actually 150 kids. That's a lot of kids. It's not a small school.

It's like 50 kids or whatever. Yeah. Fuck Paula. Paula, that was good. Paula, that was incredible. That was a near miss. And guess what? That's another survivor story.

Oh my God. Kind of accidentally, but. I didn't even do that on purpose. Look at us. Look at us. We're good at our podcasting. And also look who came in the room. He's ready for his close up. Elvis knows when we're wrapping up and walks in and sits on the couch Look at us. Look at us. We're going to be podcasting. And also look who came in the room.

He's ready for his close up. Elvis knows when we're wrapping up and walks in and sits on the couch waiting for his part. He starts salivating when he hears this gets said and be like, how do we wrap this up? He's like, oh, this is, it's time. Every time he hears the tone go down, he's like, ah, yeah. Oh yeah. You know what that means. Every time I stopped going, oh my God, at your stories.

Can I say this? You want to say it this year? This year? Where are we? All year long. Okay, but first we have to, first. Oh, yeah. Wait.

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Thanks everybody. We love you. Tell a friend about it. Or your Uber driver. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Elvis, do you want a cookie? You got to say cookie? Cookie? Oh, he's confused. Elvis, don't make this part of the edited version of our podcast. Because he's cross-eyed and he can't. Elvis, do you want a cookie? You want a cookie? Don't get murdered, you guys. Bye.

Bye. Okay, we're back. Like that story had me on the edge of my seat, like, un-fucking-believable. I mean, I've talked about this a bunch, but at this time when we were doing this podcast, I had at least one writing job, if not two. So the idea that then I had a third writing job of writing these stories, which of course I don't think either of us understood the level of homework we were signing up for. So oftentimes, my basically my Cliffs Notes cheat would be that I would just retell an episode of I Survived that I remembered and loved because I had to do something.

And it was like, it was the craziest position to be in. But I just want to give it up one more time. For the television show I Survived, I believe it's produced out of New Zealand originally. If you have not seen it and you like true crime and you care about survivor stories, it is an absolute must watch. It's so incredible, people telling their own story. It's like, it's ideal. And in this one, Sarah Brady telling this story about what happened to her, it's just, my version of it is just the boiled over, warmed over version. You have to watch Sarah Brady tell her own story.

It's mind boggling. Absolutely. There are a couple updates. It eventually came to light that Katie Smith, who was the woman who attempted to murder Sarah Brady, had faked three other pregnancies in the past. She would go find personal information about pregnant women through their online baby registries.

And after Sarah's attack, Babies R Us changed its policy to protect access to personal information, which is great that they did that. And then in this episode, I couldn't remember which celebrity face had been scratched out of the framed magazine cover, which is one of the chilling details

as Sarah Brady is walking through this apartment. Oh my god, can you imagine? Seeing this creepy stuff. It was the four stars of Sex and the City whose faces had been scratched out, framed and on a set of drawers. No. One of their names, of course, was Sarah. Right.

So, yeah. What a story. I mean, God. It's a wild one. It's so crazy. This is also the first time I think we talk about the word murderino. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So we had gotten that from a Facebook, someone in the Facebook group coined the phrase murderino for somehow. And it just, I kind of stuck a little bit, you know? I mean, it was such a good idea. It was a male murderino who did it, which I think is really stands out because there's not that many. They're a small but mighty group. And not that it matters, but that's just how I remember. I think I remember they named Kevin, but it could be wrong. But whoever did it, it was a word that he

got from one of the Simpsons Halloween episodes. And it just stuck like immediately as if it had always been everybody's name. It's so good. And now people have it fucking tattooed on them. So like, good job, Maybe Kevin. And also, if you are Maybe Kevin and you remember all this, will you write into the Gmail so we can actually give you the props you deserve? Because we've tried to give it to you, but it's like the Facebook page is gone, had to be removed. So we would love to give you the props you deserve if you're out there.

Yeah. And if you have a murderino tattoo, fucking tag us in that shit and we will high five you. Send a little picture for the picture website. will high-five you. Send a little picture. Yeah. For the picture website. So again this rewind merch pre-order will close at midnight on Tuesday December 17th and you can go to exactlyrightstore.com and pre-order that limited edition zip hoodie or t-shirt. Yeah pretty good design. Yeah. Okay so this episode if we were naming it today there's other options for us. We could call it get with the program because that's what Georgia said before explaining to new listeners If we were naming it today, there's other options for us. We could call it Get With the Program because that's what Georgia said

before explaining to new listeners what SSDGM means and who Elvis is. Oh my God, yeah, Get With the Program. Everybody's a skipper, of course. High five, we love a skipper. There's you go girl. Marty. And then of course, I think everyone knows the name would be stay out of the forest.

That's right. I mean, how could you deny it at the end of this? All right. Thank you guys so much for listening to another episode of rewind. Do you like these? Let us know in comment land and we'll keep doing them and stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie?