My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark - Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 8: Eight is Enough Murders

Episode Date: August 28, 2024

It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia! Today, we're recapping episode 8, Eight Is Enough Murders. Karen covers cursed movie sets and Georgia gives updates on the Rebecca Zahau case. This is also the first episode where Georgia asks Elvis the eternal question, "Elvis, do you want a cookie?" And yes, even after his passing, he still does. Whether you've listened a thousand times or you're new to the show, join the conversation as we look back on our old episodes and discuss the life lessons we’ve learned along the way. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode!   Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder   Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurder TikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder Now with updated sources and photos: https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes/rewind-eight-is-enough-murders My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories, and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. The Exactly Right podcast network provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics, including true crime, comedy, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That's the powerful backing of American Express. Terms and conditions apply. Visit mx.ca slash business platinum. ["My Favorite World"] Hello. Welcome back to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. I thought that was always my line. I did too, but we can switch. This is our series, you know it.

We've told you all about it. We are going back and we're revisiting our favorite moments from the oldest episodes all the way back. And then we're discussing them, talking about feelings, what it makes us think of now. Basically therapy, right? Just continual talking about ourselves. And whenever we can, we'll add updates to the cases

that we covered in the episode, and we'll try to recall what we were up to at that moment in 2016. It was a while ago. It was a long time ago. But we can do it together. So today we're rewinding back to episode eight. There's a lot of firsts on this episode.

And it first aired on Thursday, March 17th, 2016. And it's called Eight Is Enough Murders. Man. So gather your favorite coworker, your coolest roommate, and any metalheads in your life, and bring them to this listening party, because now we can all be day one listeners with rewind with Karen and Georgia. So let's get into the intro of episode eight. And begin. Here we go.

Here we are. You ready to talk about murder? Because we are murderers. Hey everybody. Hey guys. Karen in Georgia. This is my favorite murder. That's probably the most uncomfortable part for me.

When we're talking not to each other, but to the audience. It's very unnatural. So we're like introducing something and like clearly we haven't rehearsed this at all. No we don't have any radio experience. We're not professionals in that way. Hello, everyone. Yeah. You say a word and then I say a word and we'll go back and forth. Bye. Seeing Menen. Yes, exactly.

Did you say by Menen? No. That's how good we are at this. We don't have any kind of instinct toward what the other person's doing. And we always guess wrong. Yeah. And we talk over each other. It's perfect. There we are. And yet, And yet, we have a thousand people on the Facebook group.

One thousand. I know, this is episode eight. That's a very high number. And none of them are sexist racist jerks yet. I hear, now I'm not on Facebook, brag, brag, brag. I know. But from what I hear from Georgia, everyone is the coolest on our Facebook page.

They're all like, there's all these people that feel like they've come home and they can finally talk to someone about murder and like, because like their husbands and siblings and everyone thinks they're fucking weirdos for being in the murder. And then suddenly they found their people. God bless you all. Someone even said, hey, and anyone in the New York area want to have a murder meetup? And I'm like, that's how you get murdered. Don't do that. But that's very sweet of you.

Yeah. That's easy to misinterpret in any direction. It can either be murder everybody or have a murder meetup and then just murders. You're going to get murdered. I would just be super clear with the wording in that meetup. Yeah. I'd also like to say that we have nothing to do with anyone who gets murdered because of this podcast. We deserve the right to not be culpable into perpetuity. Exactly.

Those are two legal words that I know. That was legal as fuck. It felt pretty great. We had a murder meetup today. We ate lunch before this recording. We both had eggs. It was pretty nice. And talked about the Simpson show, which we're calling the Simpsons, the new Simpsons, OJ, the people versus OJ Simpson. And we talked about that extensively.

I feel like I could talk about it forever. I mean, they are killing it literally. It's so great. It's so great. And I was telling Georgia that Patton Oswalt, everyone's favorite standout comedian is now on Twitter actively praising Sarah Paulson for her performance as Marsha Clark. Nothing makes me happier. Do you think his wife is a little bit like, get off of my fucking, this is my, murder

is my thing. And you're kind of stepping on my toes right now. I like if she were going to be having a stand up comedian all of a sudden. You know what I picture? Michelle McNamara is just always in the other room with her sleeves rolled up, trying to solve crime in real life. And that's why she's my hero. She is such a badass. She's like, you can tweet whatever you want. Yeah, because I'm in the real world.

That's adorable. I'm being a fucking investigative journalist over here. Go talk about your murder show that happened 25 years ago. That people from American Horror Story are acting out now. Yeah. It's adorable. Okay. Is there any little part of your brain that is like open to the idea that OJ didn't do it? No. Okay. Just making sure. I understand why people think that and want to believe it. But I don't think that you can beat your wife up for years and years.

And I think he beat his first wife up too. Yeah. Like you, that as a pattern and as a, as a, you having explosive anger and violent reactions to things. Plus, as we all are starting to learn the concussion elements in football, that lots of football players have these problems that could truly stem back to like mental issues. R mental issues. Rage issues. I don't think that that just kind of stops at a certain point. Like, yeah, I don't think

that's a controllable thing. Or all of those things happen and then just some stranger comes and kills these two people that, yeah, it wouldn't make sense. Right. Especially with all the evidence. There would be blood evidence that would have, I honestly believe that that defense team that was just going to town would have found other blood and been like, what about this guy? Because they were scrambling and they got him off. I mean, like, it's incredible.

It's amazing. So if there was another person, I trust that that dream team would have been like, here's the person, here's their name, here's their blood. That's why we think that. Yeah. That's a very good point. Yeah. Okay. But also I know there's just bias because I really love the fact that I lived through it and now I'm watching it on TV. I know. Isn't it? It's funny when they're like, there'll be like a dramatic turn and

you're like, oh, and you're like, wait, no, he still gets off. Like, you know the outcome. You know the ending. Yeah. But yeah, it's still a great, that's, that's the testament to the show is that it's so good. Yeah. And they're telling you the things you don't know about it. Right. Which I love.

The only part of it that I am not into is, is OJ Simpson. Like, what's his name? He was a good intern. As OJ Simpson. Yeah, he doesn't look right. He doesn't. I can't picture OJ Simpson when I look at him. Right. For so many reasons. Someone just texted me that they saw Tracy Morgan when he talked on Cuba Gooden Jr. dog. Like, like Cuba is playing Tracy Morgan? Who's playing OJ. Oh, you know what I mean? mean? But somewhere in there, Tracy Morgan is.

Well, very few men look like OJ Simpson. That would have been a really hard thing to cast, I think. Yeah. I wish someone was, he was bigger. You know who should have played it? Who? Shamar Moore. Who's that? Criminal Minds.

Oh. He used to be on a soap opera. And the reason I know him so well is because when I worked on the Ellen DeGeneres talk show, anytime there'd be somebody would drop out, like if there was an emergency, they would always call Shamar Moore because he was an amazing guest. He was usually available because he was on Criminal Minds, so he was always in town. And because he was on a soap opera, he had the crazy high Q rating. So we'd get spikes in our ratings. Holy shit.

Even though he wasn't like famous famous, he was like beloved. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to see who was on that like audition list and if Cuba Good and Jordan just got picked because for whatever reason. Well, because he is a good actor. Yes. And like those times where he's in jail and like, yeah, there's great- He's pathetic. Moments. But yeah, he just doesn't look right.

Yeah, he has this great, you feel bad for him because he clearly doesn't understand what's going on. I like that character he's playing, but it doesn't feel like O.J. Simpson to me. Right. Well, because there's too much, yeah, he seems bewildered and confused, which might be an act that like there's a reveal later. Right. But it's, I want to see someone that's a little more going with the story he's being given.

Yeah. Knowing that he's, he has an out after having killed two people. Yeah. But maybe that's just my agenda. No, I think that's true. And I feel like this week in The Simpsons, like we open every episode now. It's so good. I hope everyone's watching.

Exactly. And the idea that you decided to call it The Simpsons is my favorite thing of all time. Should we talk about our favorite murder? Yes. So this week we were doing Strange Ways to Die. Yeah. Originally, we just shot out the idea, weird murder weapons. Yes.

And I just like, I like Googled that and it's just like really boring stories. Lots of one-offs, which I'm interested in like crimes of passion where a woman kills a man with the stiletto heel where it's like, well, yeah, but that's just crimes of passion. Exactly. There was a good one of a guy who was clearly grooming a 10 year old boy to be like his, he's going to child molest him. And the kid one day was like, fuck this and took a pickle jar and smashed him over the head with it. But then he stabbed him to death. So it's not like the pickle jar killed him. Right. It just stopped him for a second.

Yeah. And that's the amount of the story I I could like that's the story. So I would have had no story to tell. Well, yeah, there's, when it comes down to it, I was thinking, oh, I bet I could find a serial killer killed people like a bow and arrow or something. Right. That's just in the movies. But yes, exactly. When you're when you're reverse researching stuff like that, just stuff comes up. I was also thinking of hope there's going to be there's a person I want to talk about in the future

who is the Sacramento vampire killer. All right. He's so creepy, but when he actually killed people, he just killed them with guns. Exactly. So it all boils down to boring weapons. Listen, if you're a killer out there, you got to get a little more creative if you want to make it onto the show. Yeah. How about you do one of those like in... Do you know what I'm talking about? In the

line of fire? John... No, I always do that when I think I know the end of a story. Yes. John Malkovich makes a gun out of wood so that he can get to the metal detector and kill the president. Oh, like really makes a gun gun? Yes. That's cool. No, I was going to say in one where he, I can't remember. He kills people with the cow air gun.

Yes. Oh, no country for old men. No country for old men. Thank you. The best. That's, yeah, something like that. Someone needs to not do to us. That movie is so fucking perfect. I've seen that so many times. It's gorgeous and I don't like movies. Gorgeous. And the idea that you would kill someone that way. Yeah.

It's so fucked up. It's so fucked up and it's like not necessary because guns. Because guns. Yeah. Alright, do you want me to go first since you went first last? Sure, but what if we have the same one? Well, I would be shocked because here's what I did. Okay.

Wait, so the topic is now weird ways people have been killed or died. Yes. Okay, so we have to immediately point out that it was said that the Facebook group has a thousand members and quote, none of them are sexist racist jerks yet. It's like I knew. It is the example of how we've all been here before. We've all done this before. And you were absolutely prognosticating

because that Facebook group doesn't exist anymore because there was a racist asshole that showed up there and said something that once we knew what was going on was so disappointing and so shitty and then we just shut the whole thing down, which pissed so much people off. It was like such an online problem that we did not know how to solve. It's like we said, okay, well, we're taking our toy and going home then because you guys can't play nice with this.

Yes. You know, and I think that was our panic and our gut reaction immediately. Yes, completely. Yep, we knew, can't have nice things. As Marcus Park said when I called him to ask for his help in that controversy, and he went, oh, you still have a Facebook page? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't do that. Thanks, Marcus.

Oh, yeah, that's true. Thanks for the business advice. Okay, so in this episode, we do the theme, Strange Ways to Die, and it's time for Karen's story about cursed movie sets, which is just such a great idea. So I guess the one thing I need to say about my story is that it wasn't an official source, but I do mention an article from a website called cursed.com where I got some of the information about the exorcist, although Erin Brown tried to look it up and she couldn't find the article. So she couldn't like get, I know.

It doesn't exist. I imagine the whole thing. It's cursed. But it was that kind of thing where I really wonder if there's a second source so that the things that I was saying, like is any of this proven? Did somebody just throw up an article and go like, here's some stuff. Right, and just made shit up.

No, it's like legend, right? There's like some legendary stuff from that. Right, legend versus fact. Okay, right, that's it, yes. Is what we're talking about. No, I see that. I see the words have meanings. Right?

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But here's the thing. So I, and we once talked about this, we were going to have a correction section once we go through because a bunch of people tweeted at us to say, yeah, Dominique Dunn was killed by her ex boyfriend who was stalking her, but she wasn't killed by a fan. You are thinking of Rebecca Schaeffer from my sister Sam. Exactly. That's exactly true. It's what we were, but I thought of the exact same thing and I was right there with you now. So I went to look it up to be like, okay, here's going to be our correction. Well, it turns out that it was, they were very, very

similar murders. They were both actresses. Dominique Dunn was 22, Rebecca Schaeffer was 21. Both murdered at their homes. Dominique Dunn was murdered by her ex-boyfriend who was stalking her and who she was trying to be like reasonable with. And she actually, the creepy thing to me about her murder is that she was doing everything she could to like stay safe. And there was a guy, she had her friend over watching TV with her when the ex-boyfriend showed up wanting to quote unquote, talk to her and made her come out on the porch. And so the guy was like waiting inside thinking everything was fine. Because they're outside. and made her come out on the porch. And so the guy was like waiting inside thinking everything was fine.

Yeah, because they're outside. They're outside talking. Then he doesn't see them. Then he goes out around back to see if they went into the backyard. Finally comes around front and sees the ex-boyfriend standing over her strength. He has strangled her to death. How are you, how do you know if someone's going to be like a stalker light or is it a murderer? I mean, I think the lesson we're slowly learning is that like, if you have an abusive boyfriend, you have to break up with him and not get back together with him. Not like you have

to cut him out of your life. Completely. Because that's, it's that that's the mistake. I mean, not to say that she made a mistake, but she did get back together with him once. You give him the idea and an opening to be back, to think that he's back in your life and has a way to do it and he's just... Yeah, that he can convince you. And he doesn't stop, which is clearly not the woman's fault.

No. But we need to be able to not let them come back in our lives at all. Well, and in both of these cases, it's that thing of women being polite. Oh my God. It's women thinking they're afraid to be a bitch or they're afraid to make a strong stand. So in Rebecca Schaffer's case, it was a stalker had been stalking her for three years and who ended

up hiring a private investigator to find her home address. And so that was actually after her murder between that and the Teresa Saldana attack, which she didn't die. That was the woman who's the co-star of Raging Bull, who ended up getting attacked by her stalker. That's both of those, it ended up changing. They created the first anti-stalking law in California in 1990, I believe, because of those two things. But those two things were totally parallel. They were just seven years apart, but they were almost exactly the same. So I was, because I was like, we both made the exact same mistake. That's weird. And so I wanted to like look into it and that brought me down the road because Dominique

Dunn is most famous for being a part of cursed movies. Is she poltergeist? Yes. She was the teenage sister in poltergeist. When she flips off the construction workers in her backyard. And I was a kid, I was like, I want to be like that when I grow up. Yes. And both of those girls were very like, there were girls that when you watch them on TV

or in movies, you're like, I know that girl. Like total girl next door. So I went into cursed movies, cursed movie things. So that's my thing. That's not what I did. That's badass. Okay. So, Poltergeist, the trilogy of movies, they've had all these deaths and tragedies associated with the movie. Love this show.

So I'm just going to walk you on through and then I have two other ones. Okay. They get shorter as they go. No, I dig it. But we start with Poltergeist. So, Dominique Dunn was murdered five months after the release of Poltergeist 1, the original Poltergeist. And then Poltergeist 2, Julian Beck was the guy that 60 right after that movie came out. That was in 1983. That was Poltergeist 2.

That came out in 83? Yeah. How did I watch that? Okay. What do you mean? Because I just remember, I feel like I remember seeing it in the theater, but I must not have because that's too young for me to actually- You had been too young? Yeah.

Well, there was three of them. You've seen part three where they were in the apartment building? No, maybe we got it on VHS. Oh, okay. Okay, go on. Then in 1987, Will Sampson, who played in Poltergeist 2, played Taylor, the medicine man who was the big silent Indian in One Flow Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Oh yeah, he's incredible. Yeah. He died of scleroderma, which is a degenerative condition that basically he ended up having

kidney failure and all this stuff. So he died and he was only 53. Man, there's just so many ways you can die. If you want to think about it a lot, there's just- There's all these things. There's all these things. If it's not murder, then it could be a disease. It could be some weird gene just clicks on.

It's not could have, it's gonna. Well, you're gonna. It's gonna be something. That's really what it is. Oh God. We're all ticking time bombs. Okay, go on. Then the one that got this idea of this movie is cursed going is Heather O'Rourke because

she died when she was 12 years old. It was 1987, the same year as Will Sampson. And it was before the release. And some people say before the ending of the shooting of Poltergeist 3. So she was the little girl, but she's like the main character in Poltergeist. She's in the middle of shooting. Yeah. Carol Anne. Carol Anne, lactose-alive. She's halfway through shooting the third one.

Yes. I think more than halfway through. But some people say they can't get it confirmed that there's a body double for the rest of the shooting because she died. And they had diagnosed her as having Crohn's disease, but what she actually really had was a bowel obstruction. So she got the flu, went into septic shock and then cardiac arrest. They rushed her to, I think it was Cedars-Sinai. Holy shit. And she died on the operating table. So that's like a simple thing that could have been fixed. Yes. And she was just misdiagnosed. And she was only 12. So that's when everyone started

freaking out that there's something wrong with this. Yeah. Like this whole movie is cursed. Yeah. Then a guy named Lou Perryman who played a small part in the first Poltergeist, Pugsley, he was in 2009, he was murdered by an axe wielding ex-con who broke into his apartment. Oh my God. Just flat out horribly murdered.

Why him specifically or did it just happened that way? They think it was just somebody trying to rob him, but he like the guy had an accident and just ended up killing him. Or it was a cursed movie. Or it was a cursed movie and it was just a man possessed by a demon. That's crazy. Okay. Then Richard Lawson who played the parapsychologist Ryan in the original. I liked him.

Yeah. And he's been in, when I looked on his Wikipedia page, it just went on and on. He has been in a million things and he still is like up until like 2016, like release pending. Like he's been in everything. Wow. Yeah. And he was in a commercial airline crash where there were 51 people, passengers on the plane, 27 of them died and he walked away. So more than half the people on the plane

died and miraculously he walked away. So that kind of is like, you know, it's, you know, say a tragedy associated, but it almost is kind of like, well that freak accident, it's a freak accident that he didn't die in. So it's almost like, well, maybe he ended the curse. If I were him, I would never leave the house. Well, but, or would it be that thing where I survived a fucking plane crash that other people didn't? That's true. I'm invincible or whatever.

That's true. But also turned out and Jo Beth Williams talked about this in an interview she did once, that she found out after, so, you know know that huge crazy scene at the end where they fall into the pool and there's all the skeletons? Those were real human skeletons that they used. Because apparently a rubber skeleton remake is more expensive than just using real ones. Who gave them skeletons? I am.

They probably bought them from prop house or whatever, but a lot of people think that that has something to do with it. But then also, they say that the remake that they just came out with, My Boyfriend Sam Rockwell, that they shot it on a house that had a big field behind it. So they could kind of like recreate all that stuff. And apparently they couldn't get any of the electronic stuff to work in this field. They couldn't get, they were using drones to shoot overhead shots and the drones wouldn't work. They wouldn't register the field. I'm getting chills.

Yeah. So there was like, there was a thing where there's all kinds of problems and weird shit going on on that set. Oh my God. I'm like going to throw up right now. Well then that brought me around. That brought me to a cracked article, which if you don't go onto cracked.com, you're crazy. Oh my God. It's the best website. It gives you listicles, but they're written so hilariously. So well.

And it's like Buzzfeed for smart, funny people. Yeah. And it's like the topics they do are just absolutely incredible. Like the 10 scariest mysteries that cannot be explained or like, oh, I love crack. Or like 10 YouTube videos that are actually what they say they are. Right. Like truly scary and crazy. Right.

Yeah. Cracked is amazing. So that led me to this list and they had, it was like six cursed movie sets, but I only did, because the next one that that turned me on to was The Exorcist. Oh shit. Which it makes, you know, it makes sense that this is cursed. Yeah. It's not like My Fair Lady was cursed. It's like fucked up movies. Like The Exorcist.

And this one's crazy. Oh my God. I want to hear. I don't know this. So it's, it's just was shot in 1973 or came out in 1973. It was shot the year before. Okay. I'll just start here. The shooting was delayed after the set caught fire. So there's a set of their house. If you've seen the movie, if you haven't seen the movie, you have to. It's the scariest movie. It's so seventies and it's so like, it's not scary because things are popping out. It gets scary, obviously later when she's possessed, but in the beginning, it's just

all tone and feel where you're just like, this is horrifying. Lighting and music and tone. When they bring Reagan to the hospital to see what's wrong with her, there's a part where she's in this MRI machine thing that is one of the scariest things and it's just medical equipment. There's nothing actually happening, but it's like, you know, they just did it perfectly. You know, man, they don't need drones to make a fucking movie cool anymore. Right. I mean, that's-

So, this set caught on fire for no reason. The only thing that they can figure out was they thought maybe a pigeon landed in like the breaker boxes, like the electrical boxes. But other than that, they couldn't figure out a reason why it would catch on fire. And the only room that didn't burn was Reagan's room, which is where all the possession demonic shit takes place at the end of the movie. I quit the movie at that point. It didn't, didn't burn. Everything else in the house burned. That's insane. So shooting was delayed

because of that. Okay. And I read a couple different versions of this story, but the one that seemed the most consistent was that it happened to Ellen Burston. So there's a scene where when Reagan is totally possessed, she throws her mother against the wall. And in the movie, she gets thrown against the wall, falls down, and there's this blood curdling scream. Well, it's because Ellen Burston, the way it happened, she broke her spine and the scream is real. Oh, I hate, I feel like there's a scene in Jaws too. I feel like in the 70s and 80s, they were like, let's just use it. We didn't do that right. And the person is screaming

because they're in pain. Exactly. And it's like, what better kind of blood curdling scream as opposed to like somebody standing in this recording. Yeah. Like screaming. It's like a real scream of her spine breaking. It's realistic because it's real. My God. That's awful. And also this was one of the first movies that ever used subliminal recordings. That's fucking awesome. Part of the other reason that it's such a freaky movie is because subliminally they're playing tapes of bees, of swarms of bees, buzzing bees, and lions growling before they eat something.

So in your brain, in your old brain, you understand. You can hear these emergency, emergency get out, but it's in their lead up parts. I love that it's not even subliminally a baby crying or subliminally someone getting stabbed. It's subliminally shit that way back when, when we were fucking animals, we needed to be afraid of. Run away. Run away, there's bees. Yeah.

Love it. And also there's that part where when Kara sees his mother coming up out of the sidewalk, out of the subway, it's that part where she had died and he didn't see her and he has all this guilt and he keeps dreaming about her coming and like crying for him across the street or whatever. In that scene, and I've actually watched it and paused it, they just flick in for half a second, this horrifying face. No.

Yeah. And you can look it up online. It's a great, it's like, it looks like a really white face with dark black circles underneath and red in the eyes and red in the mouth. It's horrifying. I want to start crying right now. It's crazy creepy. Okay. So, then let's see. Oh, so the actor who played the director. So the plot of the movie, Ellen Berson is an actress and she's in this movie. And so all this shit starts happening while she's in this movie and just quit the movie. Right.

Well, the director of the movie is played by an actor named Jack McGowan, who died days after completing his scenes of the flu. And he was 54. So just kind of strangely randomly just dies of the flu. What is this fucking black? The woman who plays Charis's mother, who is in that thing of like, she's an 89 year old Greek woman who literally got cast like I think out of a restaurant, a Greek restaurant or something. She died of natural causes like days after Jack McGowan died. Wow. They died within like six days of each other. And they're the two characters in the movie

who die. Oh, fuck. So then these are the other like tragedies and deaths. Okay. Linda Blair's grandfather died while shooting. Max von Sido's brother died on the first day he started shooting. Holy shit. And he plays the old priest that comes to Father Karras. Jason Miller, who plays Father Karras, his son was hit and almost killed by a motorcycle during shooting. Jesus fucking. Mercedes McCambridge, I think that's how you pronounce her last name, did the voice of

the demon when Linda Blair is, you know, possessed. In 1987, her son murdered his wife and children and then killed himself. Whoa. Which is, you know, 10, 15 years after all of it, it's still like, it's just the curse thing where it's like, how many movies can you say have this many like tragedies and hideous things? Yeah. And this is the best. At the premiere in Rome, they're at this theater and across the street is a 16th century church. And as the people

are filing in to the movie premiere, a rainstorm and lightning storm starts going. Everyone's in the theater and before the movie starts, they hear this crazy noise outside. Lightning had struck the cross on top of this church. It had been there for 400 years and this eight foot cross falls off the church and into the plaza across from the theater. Holy shit. That's not God being like, nope. Yeah. Or the devil being like, how dare you try to fight me? So the last one is Rosemary's Baby.

Oh, I knew it because I was going to say it sounds like the plot of Rosemary's Baby, which is that like, you know, the actor gets stricken with blindness to get the role. Okay. Yeah. So yeah. And if you look it up, and you can find plenty of websites, because there's a bunch of other ones. And there's a really good one, but it's not even Cursed. It's just, there's that movie. I think it's Genghis Khan. I don't remember what the title is, but it's the John Wayne

movie where they ended up, they shot like five miles downwind from where they were testing A-bombs in the desert. So everyone got cancer. Every fucking buddy got cancer. And they took dirt from the set where they shot like on a location and then they took it back and used it in the studio set. So like everybody got cancer. I love shit like that. I mean, it's so terrible. It's just like the worst mistake anyone's ever made. Yeah. Like that is the most toxic dirt. Yeah. You don't want that shit.

I thought you were going to say they tested it and they found that it was, nope, they used it. Nope. They brought it back and used it. Yeah. And also the female lead in that movie who was attacked by a Black Panther. Sure. The real animal. Yeah. Not a political activist. I figured something would be different in that saying.

Yeah. A real got attacked by a Panther. Now, the funniest thing to me was that that was like a one line thing. Yeah. I'm like, I would like to know more about this. Like where was she? What happened? What had the Black Panther had for breakfast? Like I want to know everything. So, so on Rosemary's baby, and this is a short one, but just the man who was the composer

died of a brain clot a year after filming, which is the same way a character in the movie dies. Didn't he die that way in the movie? Yes. Oh, the composer of the real composer of the movie in real life died he die that way? In the movie? Yes. Oh, the composer of the movie. The real composer of the movie in real life died of a brain clot the way the guy in the movie died. Holy shit.

And then of course we all know Roman Polanski who bought the house from Terry Melcher, who was a music producer who would not record Charles Manson's music. And so Charles Manson sent his death hippies up to murder everybody thinking he was going to kill Terry Melcher. And he ended up killing Roman Polanski's wife Sharon Tate, her unborn baby and four other people, Jay Sebring, the famous hairdresser. And Polanski was in London at the time. So he just by chance missed that. I didn't realize that there was a reason they went to that house. Yeah. I think I thought they just went there because wasn't it the heir to the, what was it, the

coffee fortune that lived there? Folgers. Oh yeah. I don't, I mean, it was Roman Polanski's house though, I think. Yeah. She was there. But I thought they went there to like, because it was rich people. I didn't realize they went there because Manson was like, you wouldn't, this is how he talks,

you wouldn't record my music. Amen. Amen. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. She had a reason, but then once they were there, they didn't care. They were just like, we're killing all these people. Right.

But here's what I find interesting about that is that the Manson family called that helter skelter, that murder spree, which of course is a Beatles song. And then in 1980, John Lennon was shot in front of the Dakota, the same apartment building used as the exterior of the apartment building for Rosemary's Baby. The end of my thing. I'm just going to kick my glass of water over right now because I can't even handle any of this. I'm just going to I just want to kick it. There's so many good things like that. But that's I mean, I kind of went way off our theme.

No, but there was a line. There was it was a linear narrative that started with a murder. Yes. That we had talked about before. Exactly. So I deemed that OK. Thank you. Good. And also it makes me just want to say we love it when you tell us if we make mistakes. Yeah. Because this conversation can be so dense. Yeah. That shit we're talking about sometimes that obviously I definitely make those mistakes

all the time. We want to hear it if you're like, oh wait, no, that's not right. And we're only, I mean, Karen and I really only researched the ones we're going to talk about. So if we're just randomly going off in a tangent about something else, we're not going to have like be looking it up at the moment in the moment. Yes. It's called research and we're not doing it. So we want you to definitely help us and add because once I saw a couple people be like, I remember very specifically when she was murdered and stuff. So then I was like, oh yeah, we should tell that story accurately. Yeah. That then led me down that path.

Just don't be mean about it because we have very fragile self-esteem. We will just fall apart if you're mean. So during your story, you talk about needing a corrections corner because we already have listeners providing feedback to the mistakes we started to make. Well, yeah. How could we not make mistakes when we were doing stuff like reading one article and then trying to retell stories? It's like... How could we not make mistakes when we're living life and it's so fucking complicated? And all we're doing is talking to each other on mic.

Yeah, on mic. It's four mistakes. It is. But it is interesting that Corrections Corner then became a thing where like then Corrections Corner generated this idea. So it really is that thing of like don't be afraid to make mistakes and don't be afraid to be wrong. It's what gets you to your next thing. And no one cares except for you. Pay attention to your mistakes and you know work on them and you're not as bad of a person as you were before. Use the creative ideas that are inside of them.

That's right. They're like beautiful marbles, you know, every mistake you make. That's right. That you could look at as, you know, trash. Or you could put in a big tall glass and stick some lilies into. And then have someone at the fair count how many marbles they're in, and then win that jar of marbles. Then you win marbles. That's life. That's life, isn't it, kid?

What the fuck are we talking about? OK, now we're going on to Georgia's story. I feel like we're saying this every episode of Rewind, but man, is this one one that sticks with you. This one sticks with you. It's so frustrating. Yeah, it's really frustrating. My research is sparse, but I looked at a lot

of Reddit posts. So that's great. Yeah. And listen to the Generation Y podcast about the case and had just, yeah, I had been reading about it for so long. So here's the story of the death of Rebecca Zahoo. Zahow? Zahow. I'm going to say. What's the spelling? Z-A-H-A-U. Yeah, Zahow. I'd say. Rebecca Zahow. And it's also called the Coronado House Murder. Have you heard of this one? No. Okay. I'm going to start from the very beginning. I'm going to start Coronado House Murder. Have you heard of this one? No. Okay, I'm going to start from the very beginning.

I'm going to start from the House Murder. Yeah, this one's fucked up. This one, I think I followed it as it was happening because this is what happens first. The morning of July 11, 2001, six-year-old Max Shacknow, six years old, takes a fatal fall from the staircase banister in his historic San Diego mountain mansion called Spreckel's Beach House in Coronado, California in San Diego. His father is a pharmaceutical CEO named Jonah Shaq now. And the 911 call comes in from Jonah's 32 year old living girlfriend, Rebecca Zahow, 32 years

old, Burmese. She's a living, she lives there. She calls 911 to say that Max was running down the hallway above the lobby like entrance to the house when he went over the banister. He suffered spinal cord injuries and head trauma and was in a coma. Ultimately, he dies 10 days later from swelling and cardiac arrest. And the medical examiner determined that the cause of death was accidental. And if you go online, there's actually this drawing of how he must have fallen. And it's like a mansion spiral staircase, fucking lots of marble and wood and he went over the side. Yeah. Okay. Accidental. Okay. So while he's in a coma, Rebecca goes to pick up Shacknow's brother Adam at the airport who's there to sit by his nephew's bedside. He flies in from Memphis and Adam, who's the CEO's brother, is staying in the back house while he's there.

And that night there was reports of really loud music coming from the house that night. And while Jonah, the father, is supposedly keeping a vigil at Max's bedside with Max's mom, Dina Romano, and her sister, Nina, Dina and Nina. Adam is staying at the house and Rebecca is as well. Okay, cut to the next morning. Tension. Yeah. So the next morning at like 6am, 6.45am, Adam finds Rebecca's body. She's nude, hanging by her neck from an outdoor back balcony. Her wrists and ankles are bound. And she's gagged with a blue long sleeve t-shirt wrapped around her head with the sleeves double knotted and stuffed into her mouth. There's like a residue on her legs that looks to be like tape residue. And she's

bound, she's hanging by her neck. And let's see it, on the bedroom door where she had jumped out of, supposedly, because here's the thing, the coroner ruled this a fucking suicide. What? Yeah. This is the thing. This is the murder. I really think that Max, it was accidental. And then this was vengeance. This might've been vengeance. A suicide. And on the bedroom door, someone had written in black paint, she saved him. You can save her. Or can you save her? She saved him. Can you save her? What does that

mean? Nobody knows. There were four instances of head trauma, but ultimately she died from hanging. So he deem it a suicide and addressing the blood on her legs, because there was also blood on her legs, the forensic pathologist identified the cause as either a menstrual period or a intrauterine device, which is like the most insulting. But that's also, yeah. I mean, what are the odds? Yeah. Right? Right? Although, you know, if it's a really bad period, you might just want to kill yourself. Sorry.

Yeah, or if you're raped. I'm like baffled right now. Yeah. This is a baffling case, which is why I love it so much. And I remember the news report of the kid falling and then two days later, this girl, this woman. So Dr. Maurice Godwin, a private forensic consultant, told a reporter that Zahao's death had all the earmarks of our quote, ritualistic killing and that the suicide had been staged. She's fucking bound and gagged. In Dr. Godwin's opinion, someone had dazed Zahao with a blow to the head and then tossed her off the balcony.

Of course, remember I said that they had heard loud, the neighbors had heard loud music coming from the house that night. So maybe covering up screams, which the neighbor also heard. Oh, really? Yeah. So that night, the night that she died, at 1048 PM, Zahau received a text message from Nina Romano, the sister of the mother of Max. And Nina said that she wanted to stop by the house and speak with Zahau about Max's accident. Zahau didn't reply to that message, but police said that she checked her voicemail a few

hours later and listened to a message, deleted it or it got deleted somehow and we have no idea what's on that message. So according... Of all the things they can do, why can't they find deleted messages? It seems like a simple... You can find a deleted email. Right. This is like the making of a murderer thing. Yeah. That drives me crazy. Yeah.

Okay. Which part? Like why didn't they find out what was on? And those kids deleted the brother and the ex-boyfriend deleted. Yes. They broke into her voicemail and then deleted stuff. And they're like, oh, well, I guess it's gone forever. Where it's like, how is that possible? It's impossible. Especially if someone is missing, you're not going to, everything could be a clue. Why would you know to find this, you're missing a loved one unless you know what's going on and you deleted it on purpose.

Right. Yeah, totally. But everyone's not a true crime fanatic like we are, those two. So according to a forensic analysis, the expert, he determined, or a forensic expert, the expert, he determined, or forensic expert, the note was written on the door was written by a right handed male. And based on how high the door was, the person was probably six feet tall. Rebecca was only five foot three and Adam, the brother, was the only man in the mansion at the time of Rebecca's death. And how was the whole seat?

Probably six feet tall. Oh shit. So according to the Generation Y podcast, which they did this on the subject, he had also spent the night in that back house specifically looking at Asian bondage porn on his phone, which he has admitted to. Oh no. Yeah. And she was Burmese.

Yeah. Beautiful, by the way. I mean, it goes without saying, but gorgeous woman. So here's some stuff from Reddit. So this is how family is suing over a wrongful death. Because that's the official report. She committed suicide at the end. They've tried to reopen it and have them put a different... Both deaths, they have tried to get a different cause of death.

Like ruling. Yeah. And neither of them have, it's happened. Okay. So they're suing over wrongful death. And so here's some of the stuff from the lawsuit. The clothes she'd been wearing before being stripped and killed were never found. Oh. Which is like, if you're going to kill yourself, and why would you strip naked to kill yourself? That's for real. And then hang yourself in the view of your neighbors, which there's photos. You can see photos of her body on the front lawn after this guy

Adam supposedly cut her down before he called 911. Why would you fucking do that? Also, why would you bind your own legs and arms before you hang yourself? Yeah. Well, they said that it's been done before. It's not out of the question. They had a reenactment to see if that's something they could do. And technically, yeah, you can do it. It can be done. They had a woman bind herself, do all of these things, and hang herself. But why the f—? It doesn't make any fucking sense. Unless she was into that specific kind of bondage and this was some kind of like,

here's my thing and now I'm on my way out. Well, maybe it was, I mean, maybe it's like, here's my thing and it was accidental. Maybe she was trying to set up her ex, her boyfriend or the brother, but why would she kill herself? Because ultimately she's in question for this child's death. So why would she be suddenly trying to set other people up for murder? Totally. Doesn't she have hideous guilt?

A six-year-old died. Yeah. And she was in a coma. She was supposed to be watching him for sure. So she probably does feel a lot of guilt over it. And it sounds like the mom and the sister were kind of crazy and like hounding her about it. Yeah, I'm sure.

No one believed it was an accident. But then, so then you stripped down by yourself. So then you take a handful of pills in your dad. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And also, I feel like she was also a Christian, which doesn't mean that she wouldn't kill herself, but it also, there's some sort of shame there that you wouldn't be naked in

front of everyone. I feel like there's kind of a bit of a, what's the word? Well, you know, not being a naked person. You mean like body shame or like? No, just being demure, a little more demure. Oh yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

So... Well, because then it makes it about a whole different thing. It's perverted all of a sudden. Yeah, if you're killing yourself because you're so sorry, then you wouldn't be naked and bound in a sexual manner. And there's four blunt force wounds to her head, which they argued on her way down, she hit her head on the wall, which is like in post-mortem. No, like right as she's dying, as she's hanging herself, her body flings into the wall four

times and hard enough to give her blunt force trauma. That's not going to happen. So the ties that bound her were nautical ties. And Adam, the brother in the lawsuit, it says he's referred to as being a sailor. This is all from Reddit. So I didn't read this directly from the case. And the ties binding her are the same paint from the message on the door as did her nipples. The black paint. Okay. So the other thing is if she had to jump out of the window with her full force, the bed that she had tied the rope to should have moved and it didn't move enough. Which means either someone was sitting on the bed holding it

in place, someone moved the bed back to where it should have been. For some reason, if she had actually jumped, it would have been heavier. She had mud on her feet, but there were no footprints on the balcony. Why did she have mud on her feet? That means she was outside in the back house. Running barefoot. Right. But no fucking, so someone clearly picked her up and threw her over the side of the balcony if there was no footprints on the balcony. And then there was a computer in her room that was used after 3 a.m., which was later than the time she would have already been dead. And no determination was ever made as

to who accessed it. So a lot of people are saying that this is like a wealthy man. They want to bury this. They don't want to bring this to trial. The cops are corrupt. It's a really wealthy neighborhood in San Diego, they determine that her death is a suicide. And they're like, and this is now this is done. And yeah, any questions? And not only that, but they keep going like when there's questions about how on earth could this have happened? Why would this have happened? Instead of saying like, well, we

need to look into that more because that doesn't make any sense as suicide. They like give insane excuses as to like, you know, well, people have killed themselves that way in the past or see like this woman was able to do it in a recreation. So it must be how it happened. And you know, no DNA means, and if she was hit over the head, she maybe was stunted and there's no DNA because there was no fighting between them. She never, there's no defensive wounds because she was immediately rendered unconscious. Yeah. And then tied up. And then tied the fuck up.

Also, how do you bind yourself? So say, let's go with that. She bound herself crazily before she threw herself over. So then your legs and arms are bound and then you still have to jump and get over the belt, or whatever that thing is that she went over. But then paints a thing, if the paint is on her when she's bound and on the ropes and on her nipples, then she must have done that after she painted the message bound, painted a message at five foot three that's up really high. That's not really a suicide note. No. That no one really can understand what it means. So they're saying that people have bound themselves like that in the past when they commit suicide.

But I can't remember what I was going to say. First of all, how many? Yeah. One? Right. That's crazy. Right. Yeah. One person who's probably very interested in that kind of bondage. Yeah. Or it was like a sexual thing gone wrong. Yeah. Or gave them, yeah, pleasure, relief, something. They were connected in some way.

Isn't that insane? And that's just, that's it. Yeah. And that was two days after the kid went over the railing. Well, also the the kid going over the railing, in just picturing it in my mind, knowing nothing about the actual setup, when you're six, how tall are you? Four feet tall at the most? And if, I mean... So you're not buying it. They say like, well, he must have tripped. That is shady too. And they're saying that later, one of the coroners said that it looked like he had been not choked, but that someone had maybe tried to stifle his mouth so he wasn't yelling or something like that. So there could be total foul play going on there too.

Yeah. Would that make the most sense to me? Is some kind of killing of that child, whether it was accidental or not or whatever, and then they come back like 10 times harder of like, you did this. So even if that wasn't true that it was accidental, they still would come back that way and they would believe it. Because this is the new young pretty girlfriend that this kid is living with dies under her fucking supervision. And so of course they're pissed and going to come after her.

Yes. She's the ultimate villain. Also, she had to go get like in that before she was murdered after the kids in the hospital, the brother comes into town and she's the one that's got to go pick him up. She goes and gets him and then they go have dinner. Which I want to be like, well, who the fuck is having dinner when this kid's in the hospital? But then, I mean, it's true. Who the fuck is having dinner? I want to know where they had dinner. But I've been at a bedside of someone dying and you're like, you have to eat. So you all go sit at this place and have a quiet, uncomfortable, sad dinner. That happens. It's not like they went

to fucking Chili's. Like, who knows? But if you, I just think if I was, if there, I was babysitting a kid, a six year old who then basically died under my care, I'm not driving to the airport. Most people won't drive the airport anyway. Yeah. Like I'm not driving to the airport. I'm not going out to dinner. No. Like I would probably be on so many pills. I would be in bed permanently. Yeah, me too. I mean, you're not wanted at the hospital because the mother is there and

she fucking hates your guts. And the family hates your guts. Probably anyway. Take a fucking cab from the airport. Take a cab or some other relative. Oh, you know what? I'm sorry. Her sister was in town at that moment. And so she had to take her sister to the airport, which still take a cab to the fucking airport. Why is she running errands for people? She must be in like, okay, say she's a sociopath and she killed a child. That's the only thing that makes sense to me to be like, sure, I'll be there at eight to pick you up. Or she's in shock and she's doing everything she can to be helpful because she just is like, let me do what I can.

Yeah, I guess so. Maybe not. I know. Yeah. So guess so. Maybe not. I know. Yeah. So it's just baffling and it's really frustrating that nobody seems to want to test for anything. Well, and if it's like pharmaceutical money, that's the most money, right? That's all. CEO of a pharmaceutical company, that's all of the money in the world.

That's all the money. And then he's like basically going around, it's a Coronado, crazy rich part of San Diego, is that right? So then it's just like, those people already know those people. He probably gives to the community to begin with. So they're just like, I've had a tragedy. Now she killed herself. Can we let just lay all this to rest? Yeah.

It's probably the storyline, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like, no one's going to come back. This is a tragedy all around. Let's just let it rest. And her poor, like, is she like a first generation Burmese? Yeah. So her poor parents are just like, can we get a little something? Yeah. And everyone's like, nope.

And everyone's saying, you know, the family's saying that's not her handwriting. She was not suicidal. Her sister spoke to her that evening, not suicidal at all. Everyone's saying she wasn't suicidal. Oh, that is sinister. Yeah. And even her ex-husband who you would think would hate her because she actually cheated on him with her new boyfriend is trying to figure out what's happened to her. He's not even vengeful in any way. I know. I want to know more about that brother. What's his deal?

Yeah. No, there's no information about what he does for a living, who he is. He's from, I believe, Memphis. Yeah, he's from Memphis. And it's kind of like, I think we all know people who have, like the type of person who has an insanely rich older brother. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's basically like, well, now I get to do what I want. Yeah, totally. Maybe. For all of my life.

He cut her down at 6 48 a.m. and sent a text message to his brother to inform him of the news. I would love to read that text message. Yeah. Hey dude, your girlfriend's dead. What if you text someone to say your wife is dead? Yeah, you call. You call.

You call at minimum, if not drive down to the hospital. What is happening? This brother is sinister. I'm curious about the dad, the boyfriend, if he had anything to do with it. Apparently he was sleeping at the Ronald McDonald house that night because he was by his kid's bedside the whole time, needed to sleep a little bit, which is what the Ronald McDonald house is for. And so he wasn't even near the house. And then the ex-wife was also at the hospital? Her sister was at the house? The ex-wife was at the hospital with the sister. The speculation is that they came over banging on the door to be let in. Rebecca wouldn't let them in. The message that was deleted might've been from Jonah saying, let them in. That was deleted.

So if they had that message saying, let them in, then they have proof that the women were there, but there's no proof that they were there. I know. How fucking crazy is that? Well, there's no proof that they were there, but no one's looked for proof. Right. Right. Yeah. Just looked to prove a suicide. It sounds to me like there's no proof that the women were involved. It just, it sounds correct. I think that this guy, the brother is clearly, was it sexually motivated? It had nothing to do with Max and maybe she rebuffed his advances and he got angry and

killed her. And made it look like it was revenge. There's a lot of motives there. There's a lot of motives there. And none of them are being explored. And then, it's one of those things where in your head it's like, oh, she was so pretty and they were rich and blah, blah, blah. And then you look at the photos and this kid is like a sweet

little kid. This photo of this kid, Max, who dies. Yeah. It's like the same thing with Jean-Béné when you're like, she was a beauty, you see all these beauty pageant photos and then you see a photo of her like a normal person. You're like, oh, I was such a young person. It was a baby. Well, and also when children die, people very justifiably go insane. It makes sense. Like any reaction, the idea that the cops aren't going, look, there's a massive loss here. The reaction off of this loss is understandable. Not justified, not good or anything. But going crazy.

It's very clear motive. It's very logical motive. Yeah. Yeah. And getting and hearing, which they hadn't even heard yet, it was accidental. They hadn't been told that yet because that wasn't until after he died that that got ruled. Those women and everyone else are probably like, this woman is responsible. How the fuck did this happen? You should have been watching him. She said she was in the bathroom when it happened. She's like, you should be able to leave a six year old alone long enough for them not to do certain things. They say like he tripped over the dog or he was on his riding a scooter. Weird shit. You don't buy that either.

I know I'm picturing it inaccurately because I don't know the truth. I'm like, when you trip and fall, you in your six, you're tripping what? At the most two inches. Yeah. You know, you don't catch fucking air and go over the side of a railing. Totally. But if you're a little, you know, you're playing around in a way you shouldn't be and you're messing around and you're trying to climb over the railing even. Yes. Because you do stupid shit. Did you ever get your head caught between the banister, the

railing and I did? It was the most terrifying. I still remember it. I mean, yeah. But then I go, how long was she in that bathroom? That he's doing so much stuff like- It could have been a minute. But when you're babysitting, it makes me think of Nora, of course, my niece, who's now nine, but I babysitter sat her a ton when it was just her and I. And if you have to get up to go to the bathroom, you go, you put the TV on and hypnotize them and just go stay right there. I'll be right back. Don't touch

anything. You don't even close the bathroom door all the way. No way. Yeah. When I maybe send in my nephew who is a six year old boy, very much a six year old boy. I'm like, Mike, you good? Yes. You good out there? Constantly call out to them. Yeah. But technically she wasn't babysitting him. She was living with this person. And I feel like when you're actually someone's guardian, it's not, you're not, you know,

you and I are terrified of killing our siblings like child and don't understand that kids can be left alone a little bit more than we think they can. Oh, that's true. So, but then again, that's not, you know, who knows how long she was living with them. So, was it only the two of them in the house? And her younger sister who was visiting. Oh, right.

Okay. I know. That is. Yeah. If you guys want to look up, it's, if you look up the Coronado murder house, this fucking I know. That is. Yeah. If you guys want to look up, if you look up the Coronado murder house, this fucking mansion is so ugly. And you can see it's blurred out and I'm sure you can find one that's not, but her body

on the lawn naked that they took from the fucking helicopters. That's an unfortunate porn search that he did that night if he's innocent. How is that possible that she's found down and he looked up, not even just bondage porn. Asian. Asian bondage porn. That's not, yeah, that is quite a, that's too many things to be just a simple coincidence. Totally. And then who was on her computer after 3am?

Right. After she's fucking hanging. God damn it. Can you imagine being a neighbor and waking up and saying that? Oh my God. Fuck. But he's the one that cut her down. He's the one that found her. So he quote, found her. In the morning? 630 in the morning. What was time of death? Do you know? No. Like was it supposed to be the night before? I think it was supposed to be the night before. But is your first instinct to cut someone down if they're clearly dead?

It's to run away and call 911. It's to call 911 in a panic, not run upstairs, get a knife or whatever and cut a rope down to this person who's... You could tell when someone's dead and not dead, then falls to the ground. Especially if she's, if you, let's say he has nothing to do with it and she's bound, your first instinct is this is not a suicide, this is a murder. Why would you then cut them down? Right. Why would you, we, everybody knows that you don't contaminate a crime scene. Even if you're not like us who are obsessed with this shit, you know not to fucking get

your finger. It's law and order 101. Oh, and then there was also a knife in the room that supposedly he cut her down with. No fingerprints on it. Why are there no fucking fingerprints on that? All this very specific stuff I have to say is from Reddit, supposedly from the reports of the family suing the Shacknow's for the murder, for wrongful death. So this could be bullshit.

Well, what's interesting is like when I did the looking up all that stuff on the Elisa Lamb thing from Cecil Hotel last week, it's mostly information people get ends up being from those wrongful death cases. Because that's when they release the information and you get it in court records. The files are open. Because when it's a regular police case, you can't get that information. And yet, isn't it fucking insane? This is a thing that's insane to me. That has nothing to do with any of this. The fact that 911 calls are a public record. Yeah. Is absolute bananas to me.

So you can't get all this information, but you can hear a 911 call just whenever you fucking want. Yeah. Those should be so private. I can't even stand it. Those things bum me out so bad. I know you can't stand that. I hate them.

I don't think anyone did you. There's one where a woman gets killed like on the phone. No, nope. There's a whole episode of last podcast on the left where they just do 911 calls. Oh, I skipped that one. I know. I listened to every fucking episode I like. I wait for new episodes, but that one.

Yeah. That one I was like, I listened with my finger hovering over the stop button because I was like, I know, and I never finished it. Because here's the other, a couple of times on like 2020 or like Dateline or whatever, the ones that bum me out the most are those fucking doctors that kill their wives and call 911 pretending to be a sexist. I saw my wife. And it's fake.

And it's so obvious. It's like, if you've taken one acting class, you're like, sir, I'm believing nothing of this right now. And they think they're so smart. They think they are fooling everybody. You know what we should do? I just thought of how nothing of this right now. And they think they're so smart. They think they are fooling everybody. You know what we should do? I just thought of how fucking cool this would be. Make a fake 911 call.

Just do prank calls to 911 for the entire show. And then get arrested. And then have the knock at the door of us getting arrested. No, I wouldn't. Okay, this would be ridiculous. But if we played, let's say we played, we had Dustin pick out 10 911 calls. Five of them were real. The person actually had not killed the person.

Five of them were like, later found out that the person killed the person. And then we took a test. No, we have to guess. Why do we have to do 10? That's so many. Let's say four. Okay. How about one of them is fake?

Let's do three. Okay. I honestly feel like I could do it right now and pass the test. I feel like I'm bartering with you. Okay, three. We'll just do three. And one will be fake. One will be fake. But then we have to listen to two real 911. Two will be fake and one will be real.

I think it's because, and I don't know if I've ever talked about this on this, my favorite all-time show is I Survived. Oh, I don't want to see survivors. So let's talk about those. Okay. The reason I love it is because it's all the, because it's instead of being the thing I'm interested in, serial killing and all the crazy shit, which I want distance from and no relation to and no personal understanding. And I survived, it's people that go through all that shit and are sitting and most of

it's like literally 90% women. The men are always there because they're like, I survived, it's people that go through all that shit and are sitting and most of it's like literally 90% women. The men are always there because they're like, I survived a hike that went wrong. It's like, fuck you. It's always the guy that's like had his own yacht. And then he's like, I can't believe that. And the storm came. Like, go on a fucking yacht then. And then there's four women who are like, just this guy came up behind me.

Humans are bigger than I, most male humans are bigger than I am and can hurt me in broad daylight. And so unfortunately I had a job and then this man decided I would die for that. But that's why I don't like it. Because do you know the show, what's the one with the two women who, God, my memory is awful. Is it a real show or is it like a fictional? It's a real show.

Where they're trying to solve cold cases? Cold cases, yeah. And is it relatively new? Yeah. I've never watched it. It's called Cold Justice. Cold Justice. And these two badass women, one is a prosecutor and one is a crime scene investigator.

And they go to these like fucking tiny towns that have no money for detectives and people to look up what's going on and try to solve a cold case. That's cool. It's incredible. And it's like so feminist. I love it. Because these chicks are badass. So they started one called Cold Justice. But it's like, it's only rapes and sexual assaults. So these women are survived. And it's just so depressing because their interviews like make me hurt. But you don't have to get an interview from the person who's dead. Right.

So I just, yeah, I don't like- Yeah, that's very true. Well, yeah, I think a key to having this interest is distance. It's too much to be involved in like the victim's lives. And that's normally how I feel, but I Survived is produced so well. Because you don't want to watch a person who survived and can't tell their own story because they're still so fucked up. That is too much to take on. We all have enough problems. It's also nice too when you know that the case has been solved and they've caught the guy and he's in prison because they're still trying to find the guy who raped

them. That's too much. Yeah. Like the stress in their life. Yeah. On I Survived, it's all women who most of the time at the very end they're like, and then I started the victims counseling center. Yes. There are all these amazing women that like take it, turn it around. There's one girl that like was kidnapped when she was 16 by this crazy serial killer, somehow survived, whatever. And she's a cop.

Fuck yeah. It's the, everything becomes really amazing and inspirational. Yeah. Like how you can, the worst thing in your life can become like you're basically your destiny. Does it make you think too that you're more equipped to survive something that like that happens to you because you're never going to be like, well, everyone dies from this. You're going to be like, remember that girl? She fought this guy and she won

and here's how to... Oh yeah. And once you know that's a fact, a true fact. That can happen. Yes. And also they all talk about, you do whatever it takes to survive. So if you have to play dead, if you have to, they justify, not justify, but they explain the things that a lot of survivors feel guilty about, which is like, you know, then I got raped for the fourth time. And I didn't fight or something.

Right. No, you don't fight because he would have just slashed your throat. Yeah, there's a thing I always like, this is my big thing is like, just even if you get stabbed, don't get in the truck, don't get in the car, don't go somewhere with the person. That's like the big thing is like, you're better off getting shot on the street than not getting shot and getting in the car of the person who's trying to like do whatever you fucking can, even if it's getting stabbed, and not get in the car. Yeah.

Because as soon as you're in their possession, you're fucked. Yes. It's a good thing to know in your head. Right. But when the situation comes up, who the fuck knows? Yeah, I'm not going to. It's so crazy. Because also you go into shock.

I mean, there's a lot of people that tell the story where you're just kind of like, it all is so surreal that you feel like you're dreaming. This is bringing up shit and we're probably going to need to talk to therapists about it. Is there something positive we can talk about? Did you ever? I just snorted like snot in my nose like a fucking third grader. No, I love it. You're sick. It's okay.

They can go on to other podcasts for all kinds. Elvis, do you want a cookie? Okay. That's a positive. That's okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, thanks for listening, you guys. But please tell us everything. You can email us at myfavoritemurderatgmail. Please get onto the Facebook page. My Favorite Murder Group. It's private so people won't be able to read your crazy shit that you write.

And it's like such a fun fucking group. And then on Twitter, we're my fave murder. Yeah, please follow us. And then go on iTunes and rate, review and subscribe. Have you been reading our reviews? I haven't. We should see if we have any. I did once and I told the story of how I fixated on the two bad ones and didn't even pay attention to the hundreds of good ones. That's how life is. I know.

We shouldn't do that. I'm going to shame us for doing that. Uh, yeah, thanks for... Thanks. We love you. We love you. Stay sexy. This would be a nice case to have updates on. Do you have updates on this one?

Yeah, but nothing satisfying, which is so disappointing. Investigators, as I said in the episode, ruled Rebecca Zahow's death a suicide. Her family still disagrees, and they're still working so hard to get that changed. They brought a civil wrongful death suit against Adam Shakni, the brother of Zahow's boyfriend. In 2018, the jury in this case decided 9-3 that Shaq now was responsible for Zahao's death and awarded Zahao's family over five million in damages, which is just such a message, a clear message, I feel like, you know. Basically, the family had to settle for $600,000 at the end of the day. And he has maintained his innocence and says he only settled because

they were, quote, tired of throwing money at his defense. Wow. Yeah. And Zahao's family has since petitioned the San Diego County Medical Examiner's Office to change her manner of death from suicide to either homicide or undetermined. And that would help the case be re-examined by authorities and ultimately investigated as a crime,

because I think the suicide ruling means no one's looking into it and it's just so disappointing. Yeah, that's a final ruling. But as of 2023, reporting Zahao's official manner of death has not been changed. This is one of those cases where I don't want people to forget about it because it's not done, it's not over, and it needs a resolution still. But matches the evidence, you know? If there was ever a case that kind of invited conspiracy theories, this one, big time.

Definitely. Because it's just, it clearly doesn't make sense. And then when you know that people who have money to burn, you just go, okay, that changes the rules. Right. That's not the same rules as regular people abide by. And it's just so disappointing too that the victim in this case and her family are being subjected now to somehow it being her fault that this happened, which is just so far from the truth in my mind, allegedly. I would just love to see this looked into further and have the evidence

examined more thoroughly because it doesn't seem to line up with the ruling of suicide. Yeah, correct. Well, here's a bit of a turn, and it's also kind of bittersweet. Oh, my God. This is the episode where you ask Elvis if he wants a cookie for the first time. Oh, no, you say, stay sexy for the first time.

And I remember being like, we need to end this on something positive. Stay sexy was a good one. And then I said, well, I thought, why don't I do this thing that I've been doing since I've had Elvis his entire life, which is asking him if he wants a cookie to get him to respond because it's my favorite thing in the world. And we do it this first time. And I love that. I love that we still do it, even though he's passed on. We still play his meow at the end of every episode. Of course. He's the third lead. He was always there. He always set his line.

Almost every time or like, you know, after a little while. And so this is very sweet. Because this was the first episode and to celebrate that and also to celebrate the fact that in the very beginning, in the early days of this podcast, Georgia was like, we have to make shirts. She just yelled that to me one day where I was like, great, I got to go to my other jobs, but I will see you later. Let me know how it goes. Well, the reason was because we were already getting incredible art from listeners for the show. And it's like, this needs to be merch.

So we have this incredible listener. He is so talented, Michael Ramsted. And right from the beginning, he was giving us awesome art. He's at Michael Ramsted on Instagram. Such a talent. And so we have a really cool little announcement for this Rewind episode. This was Erin Brown's idea.

It's just like, let's re-release merch from the episodes, like relevant to the episodes or what you guys were talking about at the time, which we love. So limited edition, of course. The Elvis Rewind merch pre-order will close at midnight on Wednesday, September 3rd. So go to exactlyright.com and it's a pre-order, limited edition Elvis shirt by Michael Ramstead. Yay. Yay. All right, so now is the time where we end the episode

with naming it what we would have named it if we hadn't been doing the number puns, if we had been doing what we do now, which is naming it after some saying from the episode. Right. So this is a classic you, good bless you all. Sure. I mean, like, where's that shirt?

Why didn't we go into full Christian merch? God bless you all. Oh, the phrase, Law and Order 101, which is essentially that everyone, because Law and Order has been such a big part of our lives for so many years, we all know you're not supposed to touch or go into a crime scene in any way. Keep your fucking paws off of it.

Very basic. Don't pretend. Don't go look. Don't go take anybody's pulse. Right. And of course, also we could name this Elvis, do you want a cookie? Well, thanks for listening to another episode of Rewind. We've gone back. We've done the thing we said we were going to do. Yeah. You can count on us for now. And then potentially a little bit into the future. Yeah, but not much. Thank you for listening to these. The response has been really lovely

and we really, really appreciate it. It's so nice. Thank you guys. Stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie?