My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 109 - WANDAVISION EPISODE 5 RECAP WITH CLEM & SUPER PRODUCER BC

Episode Date: February 8, 2021

Robbie and Clem's Westview 'Hex' has been infiltrated by someone from the OUTSIDE this week....and by that we mean Brendan Clancy joined the how! He brought theories galore as we recapped the best epi...sode of WandaVision yet! Note: Clem's Sus Rankings get cut off a little due to technical difficulties. Apologies! 3Chi: Use code MMB at checkout to receive 5% off at 3Chi.com Magic Spoon: Use code ROBBIE at MagicSpoon.com/ROBBIE for $5 off Kevin Feige Shirt: https://store.barstoolsports.com/products/kf-teeYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. This guy that we got on the show, I would compare him to our Dr. Strange in Infinity War. Looking through all the scenarios of what could happen in the MCU right now, and he's picking out which one he likes best. This is the king of theories, the king of Reddit at Barstool, Brendan Clancy. Wow, that'sancy. Wow. That's some high praise.
Starting point is 00:00:27 I will not live up to that introduction, but I very much appreciate it. Thank you. You've been following along with our recaps and tweeting us some of the best theories, some of the best questions, and this is like kind of par for the course for you. You got into theories in True Detective. People knew that through like Barstool, just through Kevin and through Clem talking about it. And then you're just the man for the job. So he said, we got to get you on. You got the Stark Industries hat. I just want to be clear. This is like my OCD of just reading every single Reddit thread. These are not like necessarily
Starting point is 00:00:57 original creations. Sometimes my weird brain will go in weird directions, but it's just like consuming everything around it. I love stuff like this. And this is even better than like True Detective because you can potentially get some stuff right because there's like the source content, you know, the original comics, they're not going to do it exactly like that. Whereas like True Detective, you know, you have this whole fantasy cooked up in your brain.
Starting point is 00:01:17 It's just like, no, that was just, it was just a killer. It was one bad guy and that was it. And there's nothing behind it. I picture Super Producer BC when he's on the Reddit boards too. He's doing the Doctor the doctor strange you know with the time stone where he's just freaking out his brain's moving all over the place and he's just consuming all that information underrated fact you started the original barstool reddit right i don't know if that's if that's something i want to claim but i did like fucking ultron at this point. I did get that off the ground. It was actually started by like a stoolie.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Like he claimed it. And then I reached out to him and I was like, we want to get this going. So can you help us out? And then eventually I just bowed out of it. I was like, you know what? You're like, I've kind of lost control at this point. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:59 I've lost control of this monster and I'm just going to step away from it. And then now I think it's like officially, cause Reddit is supposed to be run by like people not associated with whatever it's about. So I was like, okay, I'm going to use that as my out, but I did help like get it off the ground. And I don't know if I want really that on my resume. Yeah, really. So we had an awesome episode of WandaVision this week. I mean,
Starting point is 00:02:22 we had a very good episode last week that showed us what the show is all about, got us into the show. If you weren't into the show already, probably got you in last week. This week, I felt like some of the scenes, I could have been sitting in a movie theater watching this. This was like, I mean, the scene where she confronts them outside the hex. We're going to do spoilers if you haven't seen this, obviously. Spoiler all over this podcast.
Starting point is 00:02:44 That was so tense it almost reminded me of like uh wind river when they're like why are you flanking me like when she has them all point the gun at the one guy it's so sick i love this episode start to finish just quick thoughts before we get into the nitty-gritty of it what did you guys think of this episode we're officially at the point now we said it last week but it we've hit the Mando zone where you have to watch it first thing in the morning, which is a fucking problem for, again, people in the real world with real jobs. Thank God we live in a fantasy world. But I'm still a dad.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Brent's still a dad. Like, we have the kids up before we're up. So I have to, like, find a way. If I can't make it to 3 a.m., I have to find that somewhere between 3 a.m. and, like, 6 a.m. when they wake up to get, like, that 20 minutes. And this week was, what, like, 35 minutes or something a little longer yeah guys are you fucking serious but it's at the point where spoilers there's gonna be massive things and like even if someone tweets something you know innocent out there where it's like oh my god wandavision
Starting point is 00:03:37 you're like well now i have to get on it because you know something it's almost like hearing that something big happens it shouldn't be a big deal but it completely like gets in your head and you're expecting the most where you feel like you might be let down so completely fucks with me we need saturdays next year feige feige uh everyone whoever whoever who's the guy head of disney now like i can step down whoever the head is bobby i know bobby's still pulling the strings throw everything on saturday starting with like winter soldier basically because fridays are just not fair to fucking regular people in this world. I'm just such a stan for the show.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Like I'm going to have no objective commentary. Like I love this start to finish. When it was first announced, I was like WandaVision, that sounds weird. But then as soon as they were like, we're doing this quirky, I just got hooked by the gimmick. I loved it.
Starting point is 00:04:19 I thought it was like a little bit weird, but I was like, oh, okay, now it's going to be different. And now they've just, the way they've built it up, the backstory, everything. When I woke up and saw Full House was trending on Twitter, I was like, oh, fuck, this is definitely WandaVision. I have to watch it right now.
Starting point is 00:04:33 I can't look at any internet. I'll be spoiled by something. Just loving it. And like you said, Robbie, that scene where they have all the guns snapped and I'm like, oh, man, she's a bad bitch. And, you know, the way they set it up the first two being the the weird quirky gimmick but now they're pulling it in and it is it's just like oh okay this is just an mcu movie like they're gonna keep it real they're gonna do some weird stuff and i can understand how like the you know casual fans
Starting point is 00:04:59 are like how am i gonna sit through this but they're really gonna by the end of it gonna give you uh an mcu movie every week and i think locum and winter soldier will be similar to that so i mean this is awesome just it goes back to what clem said where we have like what 53 weeks in the year and 43 of them we got new marvel content like holy shit insert that picture of me coming myself from south park are we gonna get sick of it i don mean, I'm like, can you overdose on this stuff? I'm like, this is perfect for me. It's basically all I watch. Yeah, if it's this quality, I feel like the answer is no.
Starting point is 00:05:31 It's just going to keep being. Especially their shorter episodes. I think that helps too. Yeah. I thought I was going to want longer, but I'm like, you know, when you said 35, I actually thought that was short. It felt longer to me than 35. And Robbie said it best.
Starting point is 00:05:47 The fact that they can throw movies out there where you obviously have the two-hour epic or whatever, or, you know, the Infinity Saga became its own thing. But now you can kind of break off and just do these little shows where it almost becomes like miniseries of the comic books, which I fucking love. Like, the WandaVision, this is a movie. It might not have played as well. It would have been kind of weird, kind of strange. And I still would have loved it, right right but it just goes back to what we
Starting point is 00:06:07 were saying trust the foggy anyone who's like this guy i don't know about this one i don't know because it's going to be a weird you know episodic where it goes through the decades of these different things his last fucking piece of content was avengers endgame the greatest wrap-up in the history of anything of fucking fucking TV, movies. The guy doesn't fucking miss. So, of course, it was – the fact that it's quirky, I like it. They didn't just go with, like – I feel like Winter Soldier and Falcon and Winter Soldier is going to be kind of, like, generic, right?
Starting point is 00:06:34 It's going to be, like, a superhero kind of thing. I like that they took a chance. And the fact that all the – I'm sure we'll get into it during the pod, but all the sitcom stuff, they hit. The neighbor coming in and everyone's going yeah they go crazy like when kimmy gibbler used to come in and shit like that they fucking nail all the little things and then all the comic book nerd they scratch all those ditches too it's exactly what we've been looking for i'm i also think that i just miss sitcoms like i'm like okay
Starting point is 00:06:59 i i grew up in the 90s and i'm like i kind of just like this i like the cookie cutter i like the laugh track which is so weird i wouldn't you know like I just like when they give you the cues and you're this is feel good this is easy to consume so and also I think Elizabeth Olsen is just like a better sitcom actress than she is like a dramatic he's unbelievable as a sitcom a different world I mean you could tell the sitcom stuff had changed from the very beginning when the living room is gigantic like the 80, like full house living room. I thought that was such a clever little nod. Before we get into this episode, I actually want to give some props to Arrival.
Starting point is 00:07:33 This is, I mean, I feel like I'm walking into death row right here and I'm fucking making a statement I shouldn't make. But I got to give some props to DC. Because last night, Trent and I i we were watching entourage we had both enjoyed a little bit of three chi and they were talking about aquaman and i said you know i never actually saw the jason momoa aquaman i know it's crazy for a superman fan especially or a superhero fan especially one that is an aquaman fan i love aquaman read aquaman comics recently in high school i read the new 52 series i said fuck it i've never seen this we had a damn good time now i don't know if aquaman was a good movie
Starting point is 00:08:10 but on 3g i tell you it was it was like there were so many weird like game of thrones references i felt like i was watching game of thrones underwater that's what aquaman felt like to me but man it was a good time so listen 3g you use the promo code mmb at 3chi.com that's the number three chi.com movies are just better under 3chi especially if they're underwater especially if they're flowing we spent the whole night high as fuck being like how do they do that hair underwater it looked so good the way it was and it was funny because in every scene you would have one guy with like a really tight pulled in every scene you would have one guy with like a really tight, pulled back ponytail.
Starting point is 00:08:47 And you would have one guy with like Jason Momoa flowing hair. And it was like, Oh, they only had the money and time for one of these guys to have crazy nice hair in this budget. But it was a really fun time. I recommend you guys checking it out. It's on HBO max.
Starting point is 00:09:00 If you haven't seen it, don't check it out sober and tell me that it sucks. I don't want to hear that. I'm not giving you a recommendation for a sober movie right here i'm giving you a three chi recommendation if you like wandavision if you like the trippy shit the special effects are great here get the vapes get the gummies get the tinctures whatever you may need best sponsor in the world best sponsor in the world i got some 3g on the way my first 3g your first ever oh my god it's on the way we're gonna need like here's how it went.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Clem is indulged. Trent is indulged. Trent said it might change his life. That's not even an average. He said that legitimately to me. He's like 3G might change my life. I feel like every single episode we come up with a new slogan for 3G. This one is so good. It makes DC movies good. So I think we're gonna everyone's like you get on your three chi everyone has their three chi use the promo code mmb right mmb mmb brent's gonna do the same and then you tweet bob tweet me and bob and burn a few watt as well tweet us all your review of like dc movies you've never seen and just do hashtag dc on three chi it's gonna be like we're gonna put that's like 20 higher than it would be probably on not 3G.
Starting point is 00:10:05 We need Jeff Deloto to put that in his rankings. I've been saying that, that, uh, that Disney needs to just buy whatever, like every entity and let Feige run that too. It's either that, Feige will fix it or 3G will fix it. One or the other. Speaking of Feige, by the way, we got the shirt that Clem teased last week. He said, we need this, this shirt, just Kevin Feige's name on a shirt. If you want to sell three of those i really recommend you get it right now like asap asap
Starting point is 00:10:30 because i sent the design to our merch team i was like what do you think about this is this you know legal is this riding the line they're like uh we don't know about that but we could put it up for you we'll see how long it stays up it's it literally it looks like the marvel studios logo just says kevin feige on it I think it's a hysterical shirt. I'm going to try to make some memes this week. I think I'm going to try to do a little meme contest where I say, like, the best Photoshop of this in the MCU. We'll send you a free shirt or something.
Starting point is 00:10:54 We'll do some fun stuff with it. But go check out at store.barstoolesports.com the Kevin Feige shirt. Funny story. I once released a shirt that said Return of the jj when jj abrams got announced takeover episode nine and we sold two not one not three not one not three yeah exactly just two which um listen in the words of uh nick kroll and get him to the greek proud of every one of those units we need to find the people like there's probably like a lot of like legality about doing this about looking up our customers we need those two people and we just need to put the people. There's probably a lot of legality about doing this, about looking up our customers.
Starting point is 00:11:27 We need those two people, and we just need to put them in a room. Those will be best friends for the rest of their lives. I don't even remember what the shirt looks like. I would love, if you own one of those shirts, tweet me a picture. That is my version of the Ball Don't Lie shirt. All right, you guys ready to get into WandaVision? Get into the actual episode, and then afterwards, we'll go into theories and stuff. I've some easter eggs and stuff pulled up like that like I said we open the episode in this huge 1980s
Starting point is 00:11:50 living room and the babies are crying the twins are crying Wanda and Vision are trying to get them to calm down Wanda even uses some magic which doesn't work I think a little tease for later on the kids are a little powerful Auntie Agnes busts in like clem said a big applause thunderous applause she's wearing full 80s workout garb and almost even has like more of an 80s about her swing she's got like the alcoholic aunt more than ever coming in uh and she recommends like oh let me let me try picking up the kids and and helping them out and vision's like i don't know about this it's kind of a weird lady i don't know if that's a good idea and we get our first kind of break of the episode very quickly and that was the aspect ratio i think it was normal the whole episode
Starting point is 00:12:34 was it not i don't know how often there were some switches i think there were maybe we we opened in it but this was definitely normal when we got our first like what's going on and agnes said do you want me to take that from the top like you definitely you want me to hold the kids that's like what we're doing next year and vision's like what the fuck is going on here are you guys you're having this conversation right in front of me just i was wondering if they told paul bettany like he he sold that so well that i was like did they tell him we're gonna do a little like impromptu thing here and you just react however you think the character would react that's how well that was done because i for a second i was like trying to figure out what was
Starting point is 00:13:14 happening i felt the confusion he really sold it as like are we really is that did you really cut right now no or no what like but they did not and agnes just picks up the kids and elizabeth olsen they don't like redo the scene she's just kind of like this they did not and agnes just picks up the kids and elizabeth olsen they don't like redo the scene she's just kind of like this how about we let agnes give it a try he's like okay he pulls her aside and he's like what was that all about she's like what was all that oh i don't know what you're talking about completely downplays it completely is acting like nothing's going wrong here and we get our intro family ties growing pains inspiration obviously we had the baby vision which was so fucking funny.
Starting point is 00:13:47 I introduced Trent to the MCU's WandaVision yesterday, actually. And we binged the entire series in one sitting. He was a fan. I really have such a good time being like the translator, being like, all right, watch this commercial. All right, so Strucker, he's the guy who tortured them in Ultra. I'm like, I love doing that shit. So it was a really fun time for me but we looked at the the baby vision we both were just like man that's baby grinch right there that's just baby grinch and baby vision they're one in the same something i noticed by the way and i have this pulled up here um the director of wandavision
Starting point is 00:14:21 matt shackman was the star of just the 10 of Us, a Growing Pains spinoff. So that might be where that sitcom love, that sitcom homage, that inspiration comes from on his end. And it makes sense as to why he nailed it so much. I mean, I know Brent probably was in the same boat. I remember Family Ties was just before me. I watched probably the last few seasons. Michaelael j fox was like the biggest star on earth that kind of put him into back to the future which we finally you guys got robbie to watch which was like a huge thing growing pains was my thing which by the way the growing pains theme song for any
Starting point is 00:14:56 of the younger ones who don't know this show me that smile like it's i think it's the number one theme song of all time personally like maybe the number one song yeah might be the number one actual just song ever created in human history. And then there was a little bit of Full House vibes when they're like running in the field. My daughter just started watching Full House with my wife because my wife is like, I've had enough of this like kid shit. Let's get some Full House. And it's like, you know, it's wholesome enough where, you know, there's really. And Danny actually starts out as not just a straight need freak. He's actually like a regular person in the season which is nice to see but um as someone
Starting point is 00:15:28 that grew up with those sitcoms like you said brennan it was just kind of like a a nice and it is straight out of family ties like the family ties they color the picture and in this one wanda you can see her powers are the ones using the paintbrush even and then obviously growing pains they have the baby pictures and the i love the little hidden thing about uh wanda she's uh like a teenager in sokovia that one picture of her we could tell she's in like this fucking cold like an alley yeah exactly i love that little glenn you ever see the uh one full house episode with a different danny tanner get out of here what is this like something that never aired i i'm pretty yeah i think it didn't Well, it's a full episode, so I don't know. Maybe it did air, but there was like a contract dispute,
Starting point is 00:16:08 and they were like going to try and replace him. And the guy that they have in, I think you'd recognize him. I think he's like a character actor that you'd like see the face and be like, oh, I remember that guy. And he was terrible. He just like didn't have it. Is he playing Danny Tanner? Did they try to do a straight recap?
Starting point is 00:16:25 There's a different dad and they did all the same scenes. Like there are identical scenes and it just, yeah, no Bob Saget. And they eventually were like, you know, then Bob like, you know, probably jacked up his rate and he was like, oh, you guys need me, huh? Yeah, he's like, you want me to fucking scrub the walls? I'm looking this up right now. John Posey is his name. And I see a picture of him holding Michelle with the guy. It's on YouTube. Scrub the walls. I'm looking this up right now. John Posey is his name. And I see a picture of him holding Michelle with the guy.
Starting point is 00:16:48 It's, it's fucked up. It's not, it's not right. John Posey. It's like we're in the wrong reality, right? We're in the wrong dimension.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Yes. God, that just sent a shiver down my spine. Holy shit. I didn't see, I was never, I've never seen a second of family ties or growing pains. I'll admit I'm a little too young for that, family ties is definitely you would do way too young but it seems
Starting point is 00:17:08 like i mean you're yeah you're right you're way too young for growing pains too family times extremely my shit like nick at night growing up nick too whatever um i've watched i've probably seen every episode of full house shout out to uncle joey great song written about him you ought to know alanis morissette that's so crazy that fucked my brain up too hearing that was about uncle joey you know we cut to monica rambeau in the real world outside the hex which we can call it from now on which great name for that just fantastic does she have powers we're gonna ask right away we're doing scans on her in the comics we know that she she has abilities. She's going to be in Captain Marvel too.
Starting point is 00:17:46 That could be kind of a neat team up if they build her up. She's already a fan favorite. If you look online, everyone already wants Rambo, Darcy, and Wu to have like a Marvel X-Files show, which count me in for that. I love their dynamic, their chemistry. If you want to do a side thing with them, I'm in. Does Monica Rambo at this moment, do you think she has powers? I think it's the early stages of it.
Starting point is 00:18:08 I think that that's what that's showing, that that scan was blown out. I don't know if she can turn them on in this series, but I think that that has to be hinting at. And I don't know if a Photon or Spectrum or whoever she'll be. The thing is, they always do these things well, but she seems really comic booky to me like her powers are like flying and shooting lasers and stuff like that at least as far as i've read into that i don't remember exactly um but it's just sort of like in that way yeah and
Starting point is 00:18:36 i i they've done all that stuff well but to me at first i'm like i don't know i like her as as just like a secret agent sort of like so it's a wrinkle but i think she does i think that's the direction they're going i think it'll tie in with captain marvel and they always do it well they always pull it off so in fact you trust the fuck yeah what the fuck exactly i think all they do is they plant seeds it's in the episodes it's in the easter eggs it's in all the background shit they know that we're looking and they give us it which is i just fucking love like i don't even think it's even fan service it's just they're very thorough and good at their jobs and i do think like it was such an outrageous like
Starting point is 00:19:13 thing that they focused on they're planting the seeds and in the words of seth rogan the four-year-old virgin we're fucking plants every episode we fuck the plants it's crazy we just get like plants that we get to have sex with put put them back. That sounds very weird coming out of my mouth at 9.23 in the morning. It's early, man. It's early for that. But it's crazy that they just give us these seeds and they always come to fruition every single time. So I feel like that was not clearly done by mistake. And even she said she felt the grief and she felt the grief in her head with Wanda. And it's like, yeah, we could kind of figure out that Wanda's in a bad place right now but I think that's gonna come you know maybe by the next episode we're gonna see the exact state that Wanda's in it's gonna not be I said Bob I'm
Starting point is 00:19:52 terrified at the end of this I'm excited to see Wanda potentially become the big bad but it's gonna be like a very gruesome like very bad way to get to that point I think I watch these episodes with my wife and like every 15 seconds, I'm like, what do you think that meant? What do you think that meant? What do you think that it's like, I don't think there's any filler in this, which is sometimes where you get a little too invested. And then my theories start going, I'm like, wait, maybe this isn't this. And maybe that isn't it. Can we trust any of this? Is this all illusion? Am I living in an illusion right now? I don't understand what reality is. But you know, when they showed that scan, I was like, okay,
Starting point is 00:20:25 we got to figure this out. Like, you know, that was not just like a throw in like, oh, by the way, we don't know what this is. It's like, it's got to be something. So I think it's the early stages of like her powers emerging. I think so as well. You make a good point, Brent, too. Like the way that they're doing these, this, at least this season,
Starting point is 00:20:41 or this series, I should say, is you can have all that dense stuff in the background and stuff that you are picking apart and then we spend a week doing it that's what makes this but not if it was a movie you couldn't do that it would just be too much and it wouldn't be a payoff and if you did like a binge we wouldn't be picking up on all that because we'd just be going one to the next one a one like episodic uh series that you have once a week and you know for 25 minutes and then we get to just it's crazy the amount of like time we spend i mean i imagine you guys were on the red boards from the time you
Starting point is 00:21:10 finished it so right before we came on here just like picking it apart the amount of like content we're getting out of this is awesome especially like we're gonna have no football as of like by the end of tonight it's just so nice to have something like this in our lives so thank god like they brought like i guess we kind of gave Mando credit for kind of bringing back that kind of like, you know, it was like an event like Game of Thrones was. I like it so much better. Episodic week to week. I love that.
Starting point is 00:21:32 So much better, especially for comic fans. Like this is so much more fun than we did the stranger things pods. I love stranger things. Right. That was a one and done. And we haven't thought about it since. Yeah. I mean, it's just over.
Starting point is 00:21:42 We've been doing this for weeks. It's such a fun thing. Speculating is half the fun. I mean, when they sent me the screeners for episodes one through three i said i'll watch one and two i'll save three for next week buddy no thank you did you guys get comic books good girl like i remember when i used to get comics growing up i would get them you know sent to the thing and you know like all right uh you get the x-man uncanny x-man like spider-man and then you would look forward to friday going to the comic book store and getting it and then loading up you're not just getting you know the entire series you're getting one a week and that's exactly what this is you're getting 21 pages you're getting ads in
Starting point is 00:22:12 there and by the end of it you want more every time that's what this is at the end of every episode i'm like oh i want more never have i been like all right i'm fucking i'm done with that clem it hit me it was so weird when I thought about it and like the differences between how we grew up and Robbie grew up. I think I would be even bigger into this. There was no internet. Like I would read the comic. I would like talk to my cousin about it
Starting point is 00:22:35 and that would be it. Now, you know, like you could go back and read all that stuff and research it and learn more and, you know, but then I realized I'm like, it's just happening now. Like because they're bringing this to the big screen, it's just happening now like because they're bringing this to the big screen it's going on now and i can relive some of it and and you know it all it
Starting point is 00:22:51 all just like blends together i love and they are taking some iconic moments from the comics here which make me wonder how long they've had this in mind yeah but you could just go on you know a reddit board or you know even and even like places like bar school and all these other places it's it's like you're weird if you're not into this now that's what it's become yeah the nerds have taken over the world rob fox is the face of three look at this what a fucking world we're living in i love it sorry if i cut you off there my internet went unstable but the episodic release the comic book style release, makes me wonder as well, what do they have planned at the end of the show? And how tight are the buttholes of everyone puckered, hoping that that doesn't get spoiled?
Starting point is 00:23:31 Just like knowing, like, everyone at Marvel's got to think, like, the episodic shit is great. But if we just put it out now, nothing will get spoiled. Right now, we're in the clear. Nobody knows anything. But now we're, like, going week to week and everything. How do you not spoil stuff? How can that happen in this day and age? How do you do Skywalker made to the end without us having even an inkling of it?
Starting point is 00:23:50 Well, I just watched a video about the Endgame final battle, and they made that first rough cut animatronic in 2016. So how did nobody see that until the movie came out? How did they keep that under wraps? So this is my question to you guys. How long ago did they decide, maybe we're not going to do a wandavision show but at least we're going to delve into the comic book storyline of wanda is messed up dramatically i mean you would think they knew it by infinity war right by the way she they had her kill vision and stuff i look at the
Starting point is 00:24:20 first avengers they knew they were doing an affinity war then they announced it right after that they had thanos in the post-credit scene when did they know they were doing an affinity war then they announced it right after that they had Thanos in the post-credits scene when did they know they were doing WandaVision I don't I have no idea and now because I saw that same thing and I was like I did not realize that they were drawing the scenes years in advance years and and then I think Feige not too long ago said that they usually have four years ahead of what's been announced. And they usually announce like two or three, you know, like they give you a timeline, like untitled Avengers movie is coming here. And you know, Black Panther two is coming here and blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:24:58 And then they were like, and we usually have planned four years on top of what's announced. It's crazy. I listened to the whole um oral history oral history of the office and you just get all the behind the scenes like the oral history of the mcu and when when you get all the behind the scenes and like talking and threading it all together and using all these different directors and all these different writers i'm fascinated by that like agree is it just feige at the top who like approves all this like you can have some flexibility but we need this character to stay you can't kill off this person we don't have the contract rights to this person so you can only use them sparingly it's it's fucking amazing it's i don't know though
Starting point is 00:25:36 i don't know the answer to your question about how when they decided on wanda i i think we said this back uh during infinity war endgame like i always pictured this whiteboard right and they're just plotting it out and like right this movie and then it ties into here and the infinity stone's going there and then this and then it all kind of culminated with endgame but that had to be like like you said like years before 2016 they're fucking getting this shit together so the white board is now like a fucking full full room it's just it's four walls of whiteboard and it's all connecting dots and like it's flaggy at the top whatever it is they know they have to like i wonder if he saw elizabeth like i feel like they have to be like elizabeth
Starting point is 00:26:09 olsen whoever we has a scarlet has to have the chops because this is going to be a human she's going to be the center of the universe i think she's basically the thanos of potentially this next phase where she's the fulcrum that makes everything happen and uh you guys fulcrum right i don't know if i even used it right, but it felt right. I think it works. I think it works. And she's just going to be the one that, and like what she's shown in,
Starting point is 00:26:34 like me and Robbie just rewatched Old Trinidad. Like, oh, that wasn't as bad, but that's a different actress altogether, different character than this actress. She has shown so much. Well, she comes back a little bit in this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is actually a good transition you said she could be the thanos they call her the principal victimizer here which
Starting point is 00:26:51 they label her terrorist basically and then they actually say she could have killed thanos herself if he didn't you know have the onslaught come down i love that they mention this because we've seen kevin feige say in interviews for years that like oh oh yeah, Scarlet Witch is the most powerful Avenger. She's the strongest. And we've never really seen that on screen. We saw it in Endgame, but it wasn't like a definitive, yeah, she is the strongest. In a weird way, they confirmed that for me here,
Starting point is 00:27:15 or at least confirmed the height of her abilities. And I love that we finally got that. So every time I tell someone that is a casual fan of the MCU that she's the strongest Avenger, they're not like not like what there's nothing to back that up buddy at the same time as soon as he said that when he's like she almost fucking took down us down herself i got that feeling back of like then why the fuck are you guys dealing with it call the avengers i would be the kid that was like you know when you're out with your buddies and they start to do something dangerous when you're a kid and like as the anxious kid i'd always be like guys i don't think we should do this i think i think we should
Starting point is 00:27:47 maybe i'm call my parents pick me up i would be the sword agent that's like guys maybe maybe just call the avengers i mean they just save the world they just stop call her friends i'd be like go collect your mans like exactly i don't know what she's doing she's about to like bend all of reality and it's like yeah this desk jockey guy. But I think that that's all. One of your friends goes through something traumatic, a breakup, something like that. Like you got a band together.
Starting point is 00:28:11 You got to be like, listen, intervention. Let's get you right. Kind of shout out to Jon Favreau, kind of swingers, right? You gotta,
Starting point is 00:28:16 you gotta just lighten the mood. They are doing the opposite of it here. They are not doing a good job. They're sending in drones. They're like, you know, fucking with her with the beekeeper, Wanda, who's doing this with you she hates it all and they just keep going there ah fuck it let's see what's going on i think that's a lot of um hayward like covering i think
Starting point is 00:28:35 i think so as well the hayward stuff and clem you were talking about maybe wanda's the next thanos the more and more this episode went on the more and more i thought someone's doing this to wanda and she's very cool with it she's very down with it she wants to keep living in this reality made a deal cut a deal oh cut a deal with the devil something like that but they made her out to be such a villain and they made hayward out to be such a dickhole that i was like what's this guy hiding why is he so insistent on hey this is wanda she's a fucking terrorist send in the drones and then you've got monica rambo on the other side being like well she did she didn't have any malicious intent until we sent in the
Starting point is 00:29:14 drones and she's trying to play peacekeeper they're like kids playing with a fire outside you know when you first discover fire and everyone's you know you're then the first kid who like takes like the hairspray can or wd-40 like oh whoa yeah whoa we're about to have like agent here would show it up with the gasoline can you're like yeah all right are we really ready to do this and it's like i think i should talk to my mom right now we're gonna need mom and dad's violence this guy fucking wakes up and chooses violence exactly someone's gonna have to call mom and dad and whether that mom and dad i mean we know it's not iron man we know it's not cap thor god knows where the fuck he is he's with the guardians like i don't know if dr strange is gonna have to come in or who the fuck is even on earth right now banner someone's
Starting point is 00:29:52 gonna have to come in and put down the fucking crazy by the way the unnamed uncoated person scarlet witch is not a thing by the time this is all said and done i think we're gonna have one witch who's gonna be the girl who said she quote unquote has tricks up her sleeve agnes which was such like a little breadcrumb for us and then the other one's gonna be the one who shoots scarlet at her hands and fucks everything up so there's gonna be this the white witch maybe and then the scarlet witch and that's how we're gonna get the code name um and she's gonna be the one i love i love that about mcu that they aren't too heavy with the code names they call them by their regular names because it was always so weird it was like a weird thing that like an eight year old kid loves that these
Starting point is 00:30:27 guys have secret names, but that would, that wouldn't be how the real world works. And especially when the Avengers went public, even in the comics, like when they became personalities where they're like, we saved the world, earth's mightiest heroes.
Starting point is 00:30:36 It's like, which do you call them? Because now they have a superhero name, but now people kind of know their real names. MCU is just like, we understand it's silly. We're going to have Jimmy. We'll be like, Nope, no alias, not one, not a not not a one not not a whatever yeah shout out jimmy
Starting point is 00:30:51 woo for bringing coffee i love that he brought coffee i'm a coffee guy i mean by the way jimmy woo's in fucking aquaman as soon as i saw him i was like jimmy woo. Jesus Christ. I think our fucking dickhead Jarrett Porter, he was someone who says he didn't like to bring coffee to the meetings or whatever. I don't know if that was Jarrett. Did he? I don't know. Fuck Jarrett Porter. I love being the coffee guy.
Starting point is 00:31:15 There's nothing better than just bringing some Dunkins to the boys. Everyone's happy. You bring everyone up. I love Jimmy Woo. He had a pep and a step. He was like walking. I mean, if you want to give this guy a show give this guy's fucking show an hour every week of jimmy woo being a happy agent through his magic tricks i'm in do we think that someone has a video of
Starting point is 00:31:33 the thanos fight because when they said how you know scarlet i'm sure it's more than that right but i need another angle like someone in like a helicopter or an airplane on youtube imagine that you just have someone's like iphone and they're just like fucking zooming in and you just see like you know raining fire you see all the different fight scenes and all that shit why are all those girls together there that's kind of weird don't you think and that's a progression moment in this battle we really should figure out how if we can put some kind of parody video together about how barstool would cover all this stuff, because it does get out. You do hear about these things. Scarlet Witch
Starting point is 00:32:08 could have killed, Wanda could have killed Thanos. The people know that? The people saw that she was lifting him up? Could you imagine watching that on YouTube like, oh damn, we could have saved half the universe right there. She was so close. And then, you know, like half the people are dead because they couldn't get the job done.
Starting point is 00:32:24 And then people probably, there was probably like a bunch of anti-Avengers people who hated dead because they couldn't get the job done and then people probably there was probably like a bunch of anti-avengers people who hated him because they didn't get the job done and people that were with the accords and they were like no i wouldn't like how they handled that all that kind of stuff we see at this point pretty disturbing seeing the way they showed it was cool because it was via security camera footage but it was nine days ago she broke into sword headquarters and stole the visions corpse i like they called them the vision i thought that was nice a little nice touch now when we saw him he was deconstructed all over different almost look like operating table i saw someone post i'm sure you guys if you've been in the reddit uh this is like directly
Starting point is 00:33:01 from the comics like old like i think 80s 80s, 90s comics. Very cool. It reminded me of almost Nebula when she gets deconstructed in the comics. The comic panel looked very similar. So I wonder if it was the same artist or at least he was like, hey, we just did the Nebula thing. Let's make this cyborg look the same way. But she goes and steals his body and they say she has stolen it to resurrect it. So I think that is Vision's real body, right? Do we think that he looks like he did
Starting point is 00:33:27 when he came in with like the skull ripped out of his head and she was like whoa it startled her is that what he looks like 24 7 and she's just changing it in her own mind or did she change him that way as well because she's got the powers to do it right yeah that's a good question bob i don't know i would think she and to me i think she i think she basically has every power at this point i mean that's what they're leading to at some point they i think they're gonna have to nerf her down because you know i think somebody said when you put out the um the twitter thread this morning so he's like how are we gonna explain if she if they if we get her back to being good like how are we gonna explain explain if she, if the, if we get her back to being good, like how are we going to explain that? We're like afraid of Galactus because it seems like she could just bend
Starting point is 00:34:10 reality and solve everything. So I think that they're going to have to like either temper that or walk me back on it because it seems like she's, she can like create life. She's moving matter. She's changing things. Things can go outside. Another thing they show right here. Like she's, they make it very clear. She, this is not an illusion. She's alter matter. She's changing things. Things can go outside. Another thing they show right here. Like she's, they make it very clear. She,
Starting point is 00:34:26 this is not an illusion. She's altering reality. She's changing the actual fibers of the world here. They, they look at the stuff that agent Rambo walked in wearing. She walked in wearing Kevlar. And then when it changed into the seventies attire, that stuff is bulletproof now because it's just like the way things have
Starting point is 00:34:43 worked. It's kind of weird. They give this thing a name in this scene, hex they call it the hex and i love that uh when they call it the hex seriously for the first time they crack the joke of like i called it the hex and now it's just normal it's also very natural it's like the perfect name for that and they mentioned once again that an aerospace engineer may be up for entering westview i know people are saying this online that it may be a stretch but it could be reed richards i mean listen we'll talk about the luke skywalker-esque cameo later on after we get through the episode who that could be
Starting point is 00:35:18 if they do a fantastic four thing i don't know if elizabeth olsen was down selling that if it's just reed richards i don't know you know luke skywalker is luke skywalker it's tough to live up to you know the fucking greatest jedi of all time but a reed richards thing where hey we gotta bring some other people in i got three friends that could help me out that would be pretty fucking legit and you know people are saying are they've been teasing fantastic four for so long you think they drop it in a tv show and not a movie and i'm like listen man the state of the world disney plus is like their main thing they're they're you know theme parks are shut down the movie nobody can go to the movies i could see them being like yo we got to get everybody to realize
Starting point is 00:35:59 that they have to have disney plus so if they start you know if they throw john krasinski in there the you know i mean it could be that and i do think that that would that would qualify but like you said we'll talk about the luke skywalker comparison i was like i think that that was just a bad choice because we'll talk about it but she did get set up she didn't make that comparison herself she was asked in the interview will wandavision have its own luke skywalker-esque moment and she said immediately she said yes and i'm so excited for people to see it. Okay, all right. Well, then that is different.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Yeah, instead of a loaded question where it's like, she's the star of the show. For her to be like, no, definitely not. We don't have one of those. Like, it would be, you know, that'd be a tough thing to answer. And the two of them have been on the hype train. I mean, like, I was worried about it. I was like, is Disney Plus, like, not doing well?
Starting point is 00:36:44 Because they are pushing hard changing outfits for lights camera barstool and kfc radio universe they like listen we we can't even afford to fucking have you in the same turtleneck um and now we get a really dark moment of the show here uh it starts with this dog they find the dog billy and tommy that's their names right billy and tommy they find the dog and they say we want to keep him mom can we keep him just dogs are a lot of work i think you got to be a little older at this point we see what i'm going to call the third creepiest scene in the mcu number one i'm putting far from home when tony stark's fucking skeleton comes up from the grave as a zombie creepy as shit number two i'm putting visions uh dead head in this show is a fucking skeleton head ripped out
Starting point is 00:37:26 number three these kids when they age up oh my god that was creepy their faces it was like the anamorphs uh what do they call those anamorphs was that the book again yeah anamorphics oh my god i hated it i hated it twice i'll say this i imagine and i like having another dad on this pod bren when those babies and they age up to the kids you're like oh man if i only could i'm gonna worry about binkies i'm about diapers and fucking uh umbilical cord belly buttons and shit like that the soft part of the head having that but that was that was fucked up and both those times it happened with agnes so agnes was in it seeing it and just acting like it's no big deal. She's definitely like not under the spell.
Starting point is 00:38:09 Not at all. Wanda's acting nonchalant at this point too. She's using her powers. I think she makes him a collar. She makes Sparky a collar. Oh, we got to get him a collar if he's got a name. Just right in front of it, yeah. And Vision is like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:38:20 This is not what we agreed to. Like again, he's like, come on. We're always on the same page. You know, what's going on here, Wanda? She sends him off to work. She's like, I don't want to deal with you. Go to work. On a Saturday. Exactly. Yeah, the kids say, hey, where's dad?
Starting point is 00:38:35 Where is he? She's like, oh, he went into work. Did she just trick him into going to work? That's like setting someone's alarm. You set their alarm for 5 a.m. You're like, I want him out of here earlier. And they show up to work way early this is later in the episode but i'm i'm trying to figure out if wanda is being honest with like the audience to some degree and i think that that plays into it
Starting point is 00:38:55 because she's seeing she still seems sort of like trustworthy at least when she's saying stuff that you think is supposed to be interpreted by the audience but when she says um at the end of the episode she's like you think i'm controlling everything you think i'm taking people to the dentist and it's like well you sent him to work on a saturday and not only him but all the other employees are there so it's like sometimes i think she's being really genuine particularly at the end when she says that she didn't make the doorbell ring i'm like yes i need to know is she lying there because i think that that has heavy heavy implications but yeah i would have major trust issues if it
Starting point is 00:39:29 turned out she was lying there i really didn't believe her in that moment yeah but when she's saying you think i'm taking people to the dentist i only just realized that now when you said she sends him to work and she sends norm to work and everybody and they have that whole scene on a saturday so maybe but maybe what she means is that. The way she said that, when I watched it, she says, you think I'm sending people to dentists? You think I'm walking everyone's dogs? When she said that, she said it almost with like,
Starting point is 00:39:54 she's exhausted from sending everyone to work, from walking everyone's dogs. That's the vibe I got from it on the rewatch at least. So I was like, oh fuck, she's like annoyed that she has to be doing this because she just wants the perfect life with vision but to create the reality to create the illusion uh she has to change everything else around her as well which is the jenga tower is swaying right now we can say that tower is absolute and vision is because i guess he is not part of
Starting point is 00:40:20 the illusion because he's resurrected in some way he's able to like catch on that was a big question as well we were saying it after episode one how much control does she have because after mr heart was choking it almost seemed like she commanded him like help him but i think that's just like he's in it and just as confused as most other people are he just has the abilities to break out of this or do what he did to ralph at work which we could get it to where he gets a message on the computer where it's like agent darcy's findings on the hex and very twilight zoning they all kind of chant it and he unfreezes him or whatever you want to call that he touches his skull and he's
Starting point is 00:40:57 now not in this reality that one is created and his reaction is jarring he's like whoa whoa whoa she's doing this to me where's my sister i where's my phone i didn't you call my sister she's doing my dad and he's like norm calm down i don't know what's going on doesn't seem like anyone around them can realize that this is happening right now they kind of all ignore it but he is in pain he is like this is crazy and vision just kind of puts him back in it. He's like, all right, back. And Vision goes back to confirm Wanda about it. He's like, you can't fucking be doing this.
Starting point is 00:41:31 And you said it too. The way she says the dentist thing is something that she probably didn't think of the first day. And someone had a toothache and she had to do it. Where are the kids, Wanda? Where are all those fucking kids? Because that is fucking terrifying. Where are the kids, Wanda? Tell the truth. tell the truth.
Starting point is 00:41:46 Tell the truth. Although doesn't it look like in the previews for the Halloween episode, doesn't it look like there are kids there? So I wonder if that's like, if she, I wonder if that's like a reaction to it. They're like, Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:41:57 You need some kids. Bow, bow, bow. Here's some kids because people are catching on, but it does. It looks like that. Um,
Starting point is 00:42:03 so I think that that is interesting, but it's definitely, I mean, so i think that that is interesting but it's definitely i mean they were teasing that from i think episode one where they were all those housewives were basically chanting for the children i mean that had some they were sitting around in a circle all women this that had some like salem witch vibes so i don't know if that's the direction i'll end up going with that but also and dotty what the fuck is dotty dotty seemed like a main main character exactly he's on the sus list they describe her yeah she's on the sus list when they describe her as the key to all of this when you give her that george lucas jar Jar binks explanation i mean she's got to be something big that she's been missing since like the 50s
Starting point is 00:42:40 missing since the 50s she's got the husband who's very funny so you know that he's gonna die at some point the boys ask where vision is when he's at work and at this moment we hear something outside it turns out to be a drone this is the drone from sword we see like the drone's point of view and then it just goes out now they're trying to get the shots fired there fire the shot fire the shot and wanda just drags this thing out. I loved the silhouette of her before she even made it through the hex. Like we saw it in the trailer, but just like you could tell
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Starting point is 00:46:27 It felt like it came back in Endgame when she was like, you took everything from me. So it's just maybe she gets super angry. It maybe comes out of her. I don't know how that works. There's a few fighters in the UFC that have weird accent things. This girl Mackenzie Dern grew up in Arizona, spent a lot of time in Brazil, and now is like Hilaria Baldwin. it's like uh hilaria uh baldwin
Starting point is 00:46:47 she's like oh i i don't know english i don't really know and it's like no no but you do you definitely know those words so you so you grew up in arizona you were like a valley girl until you're 26 very weird thing wanda might have a situation like that but i'm not going to be the one to call her out on it because she's a scary motherfucker and they have this you leave that alone because i just sometimes i feel like sometimes she nails it and sometimes i'm like oh you didn't know how to do sort of agree yeah do away with do away with that you don't need it you definitely don't need it and and if she was just pissed like you would just see it in her eyes that she's flipped the switch she's breaking the whole illusion she's like i know there's an outside world i don't
Starting point is 00:47:25 i don't know if we if we need that but uh i don't know i mean she i don't think she pulls the accent off and when you watch ultron back i'm like oh she did not pull the accent that's what i was gonna say that's part of the ultron like it's like oh that those accents are just not very good i will say people were speculating that black widow was trying to like hide her because you know she's fucking everything that went down in lagos that and she was trying to make her a spy so she was trying to like get her to i think like scarlet or you know wanted getting rid of an accent is one of the easiest things she can do right you know with all her magic she could just take it out but i would love it like she's like fuck it i'm not hiding anymore and when she gets really pissed
Starting point is 00:48:03 the accent comes out like if you're what you guys know, girlfriend, wife, they're angry at you. It's very easy to tell. It changes in vocal cues, whatever. So I would kind of like that. Fucking Agent Hayward. The missile was just a precaution? What the fuck? A missile?
Starting point is 00:48:17 A rocket missile? It's not a precaution for anything. That's one of the worst excuses ever. Ever. Oh, my God. And I'll tell you. I'm just going gonna put it out there now bob i know we had this issue with danos but wanda you said the the silhouette coming taken has a fucking missile just that was a missile or the drone that was a missile right it was like a it was i think it was a drone
Starting point is 00:48:38 with a missile on it with the missile on it her coming out and again she looked like lebron against the celtics did not give a fuck and just throws it i can tell you right now i think i'm gonna be rooting for scarlet witch in the way she said like the way she says like i have what i want do not try to take it from me again like the way she threatened them was fuck it was pretty badass like even me and the way she put the guns on the dick hole i was like fuck that guy i'm out on that guy so like i'm in on and the way she walks back in, that was pretty badass. And then we get the Lagos commercial. This was one that I think we all expected
Starting point is 00:49:11 because this is one of the most dramatic events she's ever been through. If you don't remember from the beginning of Civil War, they're trying to save people. I think a grenade or a bomb of some sort was thrown. She tries, let's just fucking throw it into the air, see what happens. Hits a hospital.
Starting point is 00:49:24 That's one of the worst things you could possibly hit in that situation. Killed some innocents. That's where the whole Sokovia Accords started to come into the picture. And they do like the bounty commercial. And they kind of nailed it. And I love the shot of like the other leading brand versus Lagos. I thought that was really good. I mean, the commercials are like one of my favorite parts of the show at this point.
Starting point is 00:49:43 The tagline on this one? What was the tagline um when you make it when you make a mess you didn't mean to exactly i mean when we get the eventual thanos one that's what i'm excited for how are they going to do like the when you fucking kill your partner and then time goes back and you watch them die again like what are they gonna do for that one i'm excited for it though i i think that'd be funny if they just completely break down. They don't make it really like a commercial anymore. And they're like, when did you kill your husband? And he comes back to life and dies again right in front of your eyes.
Starting point is 00:50:13 What do you think about these paper towel commercials? All the other commercials are like, oh, those are so crazy that that's at work. Paper towel commercials to this day, I'm like, Bounty's the best. It's a quicker picker-upper. It's by far the best. It says it right there on the TV. She picks up more with this one thing. I don't even know another brand like they just own i buy a viva brand paper towels because i see it on the store and i'm like uh viva viva
Starting point is 00:50:34 and they're cheap i'll buy it they are cheap it's new york it's way to read i buy it's like seven dollars for a fucking six rolls of those getting back into the the dark dog stuff of this episode the boys are looking for the dog and they fucking find the dog dead i mean it's wrapped up agnes brings it out she said oh man you know sparky he got into my azalea leaves was that what they're called azalea plants yeah that and i didn't want to bring him to you till he was wrapped up the boys say mom can you bring him back like you can was wrapped up. The boys say, Mom, can you bring him back? Like, you can do anything. And Agnes is like, ooh, you can do that? You can do anything?
Starting point is 00:51:09 Kind of gave off vibes like she was trying to get Wanda to resurrect this dog, maybe trying to see what her powers are made of. I mean, is this like, is Mephisto the fucking dog? Is she trying to get a spirit resurrected there or something like that? Wanda is insistent that she does not use her powers here, which I thought was kind of interesting because, i don't know you're trying to make everyone around you happy you can't make the fucking kids happy for two seconds here you're making the perfect world for yourself and you're gonna let a dog die um i don't know i'm a dog
Starting point is 00:51:35 person i wasn't a fucking fan of that i've seen a lot of theories people saying was sparky trying to kill itself lighting the light switch and licking the leaves i don't know why it would be trying to kill itself if that's the case holy shit it's even darker she refuses to bring this dog back vision shows up he has the moment where he hugs the kids actually kind of like a it was like a heartwarming sitcom moment where you're like oh man you really feel bad for the kids and vision confronts her at home about it he He's like, what the fuck is going on? What are you doing to these people? He gets angry.
Starting point is 00:52:09 And she just tries to shut it down by rolling credits. She's like, let's hit the credits on this episode. I love that you just keep going. They keep acting through the credits. Exactly. That was such a good scene. This was so fucking unique. They keep doing things where I'm like,
Starting point is 00:52:22 oh, they're using that sitcom, I don't know what to call it, gimmick. it feels like it's uh cheapening it by calling it a gimmick but they're using it so well and so uniquely from the aspect ratio changes to the credits rolling all of this stuff is perfect and when they go into the separate room the show's over but we still get to see the argument that's going on they both fly up in the air and that's like their intimidation thing. I love that. They're always just like, well,
Starting point is 00:52:47 now I'm fucking two feet in the air and I'm angry about it. And they, they have this moment on the couch where vision's like, I can't trust you now. The doorbell rings. She's like, I didn't do that. I swear. He's like, well,
Starting point is 00:52:59 I don't even believe you at that point. Opens the door. She's shocked. We see a shocked expression on her face we see silver hair from the back she says pietro in that accent pietro it's evan peters from the x-men universe this is crazy this is some crazy shit now before people say that i wasn't fucking luke skywalker i don't think this was the luke skywalker cameo really, I mean, if that's what she was teasing, I would be stunned.
Starting point is 00:53:28 I love that he's kind of got the John Stamos vibes, right? He's got the leather jacket. He's got an accent too. He's a Jersey. Hey, what's up, little sis? How you doing? Miss me? And the episode ends.
Starting point is 00:53:39 He's like, who is this? It's my brother Pietro. What an ending to this amazing episode. If the episode ended right after they had the argument after the credit scene i would have been like that was the fucking best wandavision episode yet i'm so hyped for next week and then they throw in some multiverse shit some universe bending and x-men i love and i love the line they say oh she recasts her brother and it's like oh we're breaking the fourth wall again. They recast fucking Quicksilver.
Starting point is 00:54:06 And if you're not a fan of the X-Men, like the 20th century Fox X-Men universe, this is a guy to be very excited about. Even in the worst of X-Men movies, people are always like, man, the Quicksilver scene was awesome though. The way they show his powers, the way that he's kind of got a comedic twist,
Starting point is 00:54:21 a much better iteration of the character than they had in Age of Ultron, if I do say so myself agreed and him coming in it was a little bit of kevin nash scott hall showing up at wcw nitro right it was like wait a second like i know you from the other thing but now you're in this one and it was fucking worlds are colliding comparison and have you seen how intentional it was if you listen to the audio commentary for blind people, they say, like, so there's, you can switch on a set of closed captions for blind people. They have like a narrator. Description, yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:52 Yeah, the audio description says like, Wanda opens the door and Quicksilver from the X-Men stands there. So they're like very intentionally, like they're not trying to like. Chills, just literally chills from you saying X-Men. Like the-men are in the fucking mcu at this point it says like the version of quicksilver from the x-men stands in front of her so they're like not trying to like play with that unless like i guess it still allows for like if that was somebody in disguise which there are some theories about but you know they they're at least trying to like just admit that this is this is crossover this is multiverse i like the theory i'm gonna start off you know the the predictions theories talk just by saying this i love the theory that i've seen
Starting point is 00:55:34 all over reddit all over twitter that wanda went into another multiverse somehow trying to get a mind stone for vision and vision maybe unsuccessful and ripped a door open that stayed open and allowed for some people to hop into this one I like that description are leaning on like the mind stone like there's something one it's just a quick flash but it's like looks like the mind stones floating in the air
Starting point is 00:55:57 but yeah I mean multiverse has got a I mean she's the key to the multiverse house of M a lot interesting stuff coming up, man. What's your indication, Brendan? As a guy who's been on Reddit for days at this point, I'm sure. What's your indication? Is this how they're bringing the X-Men in?
Starting point is 00:56:16 Are they going to bring in other X-Men in this show? Are we just getting Quicksilver and she's going to be like, what the fuck? And then maybe Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, we dive into that. Yeah, it's so weird because it's like i go back and forth on like theorizing what works if this was like a reality that i'm creating in my head and what works as like a disney strategy you know like a lot of people have been talking about i hate when stuff like this comes up but they were
Starting point is 00:56:37 like china doesn't want demons china doesn't like demonic stuff so it's not mephisto and i'm like that's too real world for me, man. Like, yeah, I don't, I hate stuff like that. So I didn't even like here. And I kind of got the Evan Peters thing spoiled, to be honest. People on Twitter were like, Evan Peters has been cast in this. It's like you, I wasn't positive. I didn't look it up because I hate spoilers.
Starting point is 00:56:59 Right. But I hate that shit. I hate the casting announcements. I would have liked to have been shocked, shocked by that. Listen, if you're a basement listener, you know us. All the respect in the world to you for being eager enough to be like, I got to know everything about it before we see it. Don't send it to us.
Starting point is 00:57:14 We love being unspoiled. We love being shocked in the moment. I love that. So keep it off our Twitter feeds, please. I love, I'm super excited about like how they do house of m because it's so weird and it's so complicated it's hard have you read house of m are you a house of m guy i i can't say like i originally read it all the way through and knew all the details of it but i've gone back i've watched some youtube videos summarizing and i'm like oh i do remember that
Starting point is 00:57:39 but and then stuff like completely went over my head when I was originally reading some of these things. So, um, it's just so complicated, but like, so was infinity gauntlet and so was infinity war. And they made that like, you never would have thought they made that work. Yeah. But they also have to figure out, do they kind of flip it? It reminds me of, um, Star Trek where they flipped, um, in, they had Spock die in the original and, and, um, and Kirk screaming con and they flipped um in they had spock die in the original and and um and kirk screaming con and they flipped it and this one you know so i'm wondering if in in house of m she basically
Starting point is 00:58:14 eliminates mutants but mutants aren't really a thing yet so i'm wondering if they kind of flip it and she creates mutants i've seen um people do the photoshop because the big line from house of m if you don't know it's like wanda is basically having like a psychotic break and she says no more mutants and it strips all the mutants of their powers or some like just completely erased from existence some of them yeah almost a thanos snap type move right and but they've already kind of done that so it'd be funny it'd be interesting to like flip it back on its head and i've seen a photoshop where they put a comma and it says no more mutants so and now there's like it's weird because technically a mutant is someone born with powers and i don't think we really have that yet but the kids are
Starting point is 00:58:58 the kids are going to be the first children of super beings that we've seen and they should because they should end up wicked in speed so they should have these powers and they might be the first mutants so when she's having this psychotic break and if something happens to her kids because there's all these theories about mephisto wants the kids you know it's for the children this whole you know talk about that in a minute but um if if what she does is when she has this breakdown is creates mutants or pulls mutants from other multiverses and that's how we get the x-men and that explains why the x-men can exist get some kind of reading and they're like from quicksilver the fucking mutants in this universe and then they declare war on the mutants you get that immediately you know x-men one of the biggest things is they do the the government versus the x-men that's like
Starting point is 00:59:46 exactly such a classic thing we got to outlaw the mutants hayward maybe could be that figure he's high enough ranked in the government he could be that guy that's like fuck it we got to get rid of the x-men who knows it's gonna be really interesting to see the politics like like the politics behind it if he's like you know because we we all, we all know way too much about politics now, but you never really thought about that where it's like, why would they be doing this? Why, why would they be persecuting mutants?
Starting point is 01:00:12 And now we're going to get to like, see that all. Yeah. If Wanda's fucking things up to the point where she's given them a reason, who knows? I am at the point where I need the X-Men at the end of this show. I need to have a very clear line drawn to what are the X-Men. I'll take Cyclops. Give me anybody. Oh oh don't say it like that i love cyclops
Starting point is 01:00:29 fucking don't shit on my glasses guy i do think they could make him feige can like make him really good oh yeah oh yeah i mean and and how much of the the fox x-men universe do we get how much of it is recast i feel like a lot of it's going to be recast i think you pull the stuff that was good from it i don't think we're getting like jennifer lawrence coming back as fucking mystique she seemed to hate that role but i don't think we're getting hugh jackman as wolverine either and i could see the end of this show him fucking ripping through something with his claws and being like i'm back motherfuckers and me being stunned i thought that was magneto when we saw the silver hair first and i fucking you know clutch clutch my pearls that were on so i'm like magneto's
Starting point is 01:01:03 back and quicksilver was just as you know basically just as my pearls that were on. So I'm like, Magneto's back! And the Quicksilver was just as, you know, basically just as good because it ripped it open. But Cyclops, the cartoon Cyclops was by far the best Cyclops they ever did. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And did you guys see the interview with Elizabeth Olsen during Ultron where she basically is like,
Starting point is 01:01:18 I would love if they did it where she has to break down, basically talk about the House of M storyline. And I think if we had seen that now, we'd be like, that that's too much they're not gonna be able to do all that and the fact that they're literally doing it right in front of us is absolutely crazy to me i wonder if marvel is like you know how dave says barstool is what you make of it he has that thing in his office where you pour the gold into the star you make yourself a gold star he loves it i wonder if marvel is similar and that elizabeth olsen signs up for age of ultron and she starts reading wandavision car she starts reading wanda comics and stuff and she's like oh my god this is like the coolest storyline and they're like hey maybe in a few
Starting point is 01:01:53 years if people like you enough if you're good enough in the role if these movies are successful enough maybe we'll get to it and then they were like hey fuck it lizzie olsen's been crushing it why don't we do that thing that she's wanted to do the trauma thing and then they put the best like people behind it i think the showrunner behind this i forget her name but she's also a writer on uh captain marvel 2 which makes me pretty excited for that i'm like oh shit like you get the wandavision person the person actually dealing with monica rambo is going to be involved in the next movie that she's involved with too the intertwining of things i think has only just begun as far as the mcu goes like we thought things were intertwined now now we're
Starting point is 01:02:29 getting a full-on like comic book multiverse universe and god with uh dr strange in the multiverse of madness it's only gonna get crazier seeds everywhere we get to pluck the plants seeds everywhere i'm gonna keep saying that i was wondering do you think though i mean the multiverse like lets you do anything really but i was like okay so if we get this quicksilver are we getting fast bender as magneto instead of ian mckellen but like i said you can do both with the days of future past thing like even multiverse like you said i would be i'd be okay with fast better he was another guy who even in x-men apocalypse which isn't a great movie he has some great scenes like he really i i thought lived up to the role of ian mckellen lived up to the role of magnino so i'd be cool with that when i think of professor x if we somehow
Starting point is 01:03:15 get professor x in the show and i could see that being the cameo as well he's got the cerebro right right what if he can speak to wanda and be like wanda this is not you someone is doing this to you we can help you he's done that so many times with gene gray you know exactly and wanda's kind of exactly exactly we've been making that dark phoenix uh comparison so if it's him i would really like that to be patrick stewart and not james mcavoy like nothing against james mcavoy i think he's a great actor i I like Split. Fucking good movie. That's got to be Patrick Stewart. Like, get him back for that one role. That would be fucking insane.
Starting point is 01:03:49 Luke Skywalker did share that weird, terrible commercial with him too, right? Those commercials. Man, those are bad. The amount of money they have to try to get those two guys, and they just completely drop the ball with it every single time. Are we going to get a new shitty one tonight, you think? Do you think they filmed a new one for the super bowl oh man i hope we get a new uh john travolta samuel l jackson commercial i liked their did they do chase commercial and there was like the
Starting point is 01:04:14 pulp fiction reunion i would like that for a super bowl commercial marvel tonight marvel yeah actually will we get a trailer for black widow or uh loki or one of the TV shows. Maybe a Disney Plus reel. They might do one of those where it's like subscribe to Disney Plus and they give you two seconds of every new show. They'll be like, look, the fucking Moana animated show. Oh, by the way, this is another thing about Aquaman. This is a house of Moana right here.
Starting point is 01:04:38 I love Moana. So you guys haven't seen Aquaman, I assume? I think I saw it. I don't remember much of it though. Fucking Tamora't seen Aquaman, I assume? I think I saw it. I don't remember much of it, though. Fucking Tamora Morrison plays Aquaman's dad. So this motherfucker plays Jango Fett, the father of Boba Fett, the father of Aquaman, and the father of Moana.
Starting point is 01:04:55 Three of my fucking loves right there. This guy is Daddy King, as they say. He also looks bizarrely like Joe Rogan in parts of Aquaman because he's bald and he wears a hat like I'm wearing right now. And me and Trent were high enough where we were crying, laughing,
Starting point is 01:05:13 imagining Joe Rogan in the Aquaman movie. It's such a stupid thing that my brain tricks me with, but I really want to see the Vincent Chase Aquaman, even though it's very much not a real movie. We said they got to deep fake him in. I would love to see that so much. Now, do you guys think that there's a chance here because i mean i think we're all falling in love with this idea of the mcu and x-men coming in do you think there's a chance this is obviously he pulls quicksilver from the multiverse knows it's his brother all that stuff i'm talking mephisto's doing all this or whoever's you know agnes whatever deep evil
Starting point is 01:05:44 being is doing all this just to fuck with wanda she knows it's this or whoever's you know agnes whatever deep evil being is doing all this just to fuck with wanda she knows it's going to end up you know crushing it they're they're basically trying to get wanted to go full heel lose her mind take the kids all the bad shit and i think part of that was bringing the dog into her world trying to kill the dog right away we had two you know a failed kill a murder attempt and both times agnes is there she's there when he licks the thing she's there when he eats the thing the bushes and he's just fucking dead when he's there so like i think agnes might have literally fucking stabbed the dog because she's i agree she wraps him up right we we don't see him could be fucking i don't even want to say this because i'm such a dog person
Starting point is 01:06:16 could be bloody yeah exactly and then we have you know quicksilver comes in and then he kind of puts a wedge between vision and wanda as well and then this kind of puts a wedge between Vision and Wanda as well. And then this kind of gets Wanda away from Vision and then everything comes spiraling out. Again, the Jenga Tower, Vision's that one block at the bottom. And if you fucking even look at that block, the thing may tip over. And if you remove it, everything's collapsing. I think that's what he could be introduced for and it may kind of not be as much.
Starting point is 01:06:40 We're going to start seeing everyone from the 2000 X when I have Halle Berry flying in and throwing thunderstorms at our ass by the end of it i would have minded who knows i mean like that could be fucking amazing i was thinking about black panther 2 the other day because they just announced that they're going to do this wakanda tv series and i was like how are they going to fucking do black panther 2s it's very similar issue to rise of skywalker with carrie fisher she passed away before filming but it's even harsher because how are they going to fucking do Black Panther 2? It's a very similar issue to Rise of Skywalker with Carrie Fisher. She passed away before filming, but it's even harsher because they don't have any footage to use with Chadwick Boseman,
Starting point is 01:07:10 as far as we know. He's also the star of that movie. He wasn't a character that they could keep in the background and then have a nice, peaceful death for. And I realized he was snapped away. So you could set that movie in the time where Wakanda had to find a new king after he was snapped in so you could set that movie in the time where wakanda had to find a new king after he was snapped in the five years which i don't know if people will want like pre-snap things and people love going forward with the mcu not doing prequel stuff you saw that when
Starting point is 01:07:34 black widow got announced they were like oh we would love to we know she dies whatever you can do that and elect a new a new fucking black panther you can make shuri black panther and then i don't know you could say that after endgame t'challa earned the right to fucking join his ancestors if he would like or something like that but you want to bring in storm formerly married to chala she's got connections in the comics that way i mean she could fucking rule wakanda with shuri imagine that that power duo hallie berry and fucking shuri oh my god god damn it every show is gonna be ruined for me unless i get x-men in every single show like i
Starting point is 01:08:11 if i don't storm's not in wakanda i'm going to hate the series like i need i'm gonna have a i'm gonna have a maybe a hot x-men take right now by the way i don't want x-men movies from marvel going forward i want x-men tv shows i think tv is the way to do x-men going forward we've gotten enough x-men movies i like most of the x-men movies actually big x-men like fox x-men guys there's really only a few i don't like i didn't see dark phoenix because my nephew luke who loves the x-men he loves the animated show loves the action figures he watched it and he asked my brother to turn it off after like a half oh my god it was something just off about its way through dark phoenix i don't know if i could struggle through it and i i think you know fox just got turn it off after like a half an hour. Oh my God. It was something just off about it. Can't make its way through Dark Phoenix.
Starting point is 01:08:45 I don't know if I could stroke through it. And I think, you know, Fox just got, Fox got Thanos snapped by Disney. Yeah, by the end of it, they were trying to make it to the finish line. MCU just did everything so much better. And when you're like, this is not going to go anywhere. It's just not. And you have the exact opposite with the MCU where it's like everything is building on each other. it's just not and you have the exact opposite with the mcu where it's like everything is building on each other it's just tough to watch it and it's like you
Starting point is 01:09:10 know like the dark dark phoenix saga is supposed to be i do hope they redo that i don't know like yeah i'd be fine with it i'd be perfectly fine with it if i had a tv show every day of the week and it was just this i just become i just I just build my own little hex inside the MCU. And that would be all I watch. And people be like, did you see the super bowl? And I was like, the super bowl was today. I was watching another X-Men TV show. Sorry. I'm in a 2023 in the MCU fellas, not concerned about the super bowl. I will say I'm a, I'm a apologist for X-Men three, the last end.
Starting point is 01:09:43 I don't think the dark phoenix stuff was as bad as people made it out to be in that i especially think the jean gray they had in those movies was really great i don't know that actress's name but she did a good job as jean gray especially x2 yeah x2 that's found k jansen man that's uh yeah she was in rounders uh bond she was the bond girl that one with the legs she wasn't like legs. She was a Bond girl? She's the villain in GoldenEye. She's the one with the thighs that crushes him out. Wow. I haven't seen GoldenEye.
Starting point is 01:10:11 It sounds like a Bond girl name. It does. The real name sounds like a Bond girl name. So I've got two questions for you guys before we get out of here, by the way. Two main big theory questions. The first of which we've been talking about already. i ask for what are your predictions right now it's after episode five who is this supposed luke skywalker-esque cameo i'm gonna last week i said magneto this week i've convinced myself that patrick stewart thing might happen so i'm gonna say professor x i'm gonna say the
Starting point is 01:10:39 cerebro i'm gonna go patrick patrick, professor X. What do you got Brent? It's so weird because it's like, how do you interpret Luke Skywalker? Because when, when, when I was like, is it, does she just mean like a massive, massive star? Now that I know it's a loaded question, I don't think that it's that direction. Cause I was like, okay, it has to be like fucking Robert Downey jr. Or like, I don't know. That's that's it. That's that is the Luke Skywalker of it. And I was like, is it, is it Spider-Man?
Starting point is 01:11:05 Because Spider-Man is also like a focal point, but I don't think that makes sense in the show. Maybe in the multiverse they've said, right? They've said maybe Spider-Man makes an appearance in the next Doctor Strange. And then I was like, okay, or is it just somebody who saves the day when all is lost? And then it could be Benedict Cumberbatch because it's a multiverse of madness. But I like the Magneto thing. I like that. And I like McKellen a little bit better than Fassbender.
Starting point is 01:11:31 Yeah. In the storyline, not as an actor. When was the last time he played Magneto? Was it Days of Future Past? Where did we leave off with him? It'd be nice to get him in the MCU before he's done with that role. It'd be nice to just even introduce him like that and then have him go away and bring in Fassbender for the rest.
Starting point is 01:11:49 And he could just do a one-off and you could bring in a different younger Magneto if you want to restart things. And, and it just explained like it's, you know, we need to get more of Wanda's backstory. Like we need to get more information about her. So if it's just like,
Starting point is 01:12:02 okay, this is awesome. Tom Holland is here. Like that's cool. But while it, that doesn't seem like something they do. So I it's just like, okay, this is awesome. Tom Holland is here. Like, that's cool. But that doesn't seem like something they'd do. So I think it's McKellen. It could be a cool reveal too if they say, you actually, yeah, you didn't get your powers from Strucker.
Starting point is 01:12:13 You were fucking Magnetos from birth, motherfucker. And then, oh, it's like the comics in the 80s. Everyone's minds were blown. I am your father. The weirdest family reunion ever, where it's like she didn't even know these two people, but they're her family in this other multiverse it's kind of like breaking my brain thing about it but i'm with you brandon like i i wanted to be magneto i'm just staying the course
Starting point is 01:12:32 with magneto so you know when the guy's like well i predicted the chiefs were going to win the super bowl in the preseason so i gotta stick with my pick like i'm sticking with my all the way through this until i until it's clearly it's not i'm the one person doing the thing they say in 21 when they're saying the black check thing. They're like, if you got the three doors and you pick the one door and they give you the option to change, you got to fucking change. Because now you got the two out of three. It's the whole thing. All right. And then the final question I've got for you guys is what do you think is going to happen with these fucking kids?
Starting point is 01:12:57 Tommy and Billy, obviously some stuff is going on with them. Do you think they're going to age themselves up? There's theories that maybe they're the ones that discover things are going wrong because they knew hey mom it's saturday why is dad at work the magic isn't really working on them are they going to be the ones to maybe go after their mother maybe knock some sense into her i think it's going to be i think they're going to be basically be the thing that topples it all over i think they're going to be the whatever it is if if like miss fisto absorbs them or whatever, whatever happens in the book, which is some dark shit. I think he absorbs them.
Starting point is 01:13:27 The way it was described to me, shout out Jose Young from MMAfighting.com on Fight Island. Me and him just talk comic books the whole time because we had no internet. He's read thousands of comic books in his life. This guy's like an encyclopedia. And he was describing to me, the kids are absorbed through someone's hands.
Starting point is 01:13:43 I think it might be Mephisto or someone else. I think it's pandemonium. Pandemonium, that's exactly what it is or children that's exactly so he fucking puts his hands on their heads and absorbs their bodies through it and then he said it gets to the point where like his hands just look like their faces at one point he said this shit is dark this shit is scary it's creepy so maybe they involve mephisto and pandemonium i know pandemonium has those tv uh like connections in some way or like some shape-shifting connections in some way which could also come into when sword was like someone's censoring the broadcast like the glitch what if it wasn't wanda what if wanda doesn't know someone's watching her she knows she's in a show but she just thinks it's her own reality in some way and at that point
Starting point is 01:14:25 the glitch was because mephisto or pandemonium was like we don't want sword to catch on to this shit i think the kids are what causes her to break and i don't know what it is and this is where it gets weird in the comics like in the comics um the kids are shards of mephisto's soul yeah which is super weird but also in the the comics, Thanos was in love with Lady Death and they were like, we're going to fucking fix this. That's a little too weird. Like we're just going to make him this like, you know, crazy freedom fighter who thinks he needs to kill half the universe.
Starting point is 01:14:56 But, and that works a lot better than I'm just in love with the personification of death. So, but I think that, you know, it's going to be some traditional dark shit where it's like, you know, the bad guys are after the children the the deal with the devil is that you know you get this perfect life but i get your children and that when she has to give them up snap you know breaks her brain i didn't think about it in terms of deal with the devil i like the way you put that if i could throw out before we go um please two two two of my far-fetched theories don't forget this is somebody who
Starting point is 01:15:26 thought that captain marvel was going to be a bad guy that was my theory i was like no but that's so that's why you're on the show i told i told the listeners you look through the the million and whatever possibilities that was one of them that was one of them you just saw it you're telling the people this is one of the million possibilities out there so So some of the things I'm trying to piece together, we get Agnes saying kids can't control them. And there are no children. And the people in Westview seem to be suffering. I think that Westview is a collection of people who have done a deal with the devil. I think that that I think that Norm when they opened up norm, he goes, I have to call my sister, my father's sick. I think that he cut a deal with the devil and was like, I want you to save my father. And and it's all people there and no children have made deals with the devil.
Starting point is 01:16:16 So it's like, because I was like, why are there no kids there? And so there's only like two possibilities. If it's really just a town that she is like consumed then maybe she's protecting the kids maybe she just like put them over here and suspended animation because she's like i'll fuck with people but i'm not fucking with kids so there's that option but then the other option the other theory would be like are those kids like starving to death because all their parents are being hypnotized and they're like running around that's the theory that in my head when when they said why are there no kids it was like was she like is that where she draws the line like i'm not gonna keep kids captive so let's put them somewhere else but geez yeah they might be in a field like we need craft singles and uncrustables asap right so but then now i think that this is
Starting point is 01:16:59 just a town literally created like there is no westview anymore like remember the cops are saying no there's only eastview um so it's all people who have done a deal with the devil wanda's done a deal with the devil she kicked in the doors at sword she's having a meltdown she's like i want to you know i i don't know what to do mephisto and um agatha harkness who's agnes like you know see an opportunity they're like we'll cut a deal where where it goes from there i'm not sure my other far-fetched ridiculous theory is that that's not vision that is the body of vision what they were doing was trying to like basically reincarnate him they were trying to get a sword agent or somebody to be embedded into his consciousness so like you know you take somebody else's brain why i get that is because
Starting point is 01:17:45 in the comics vision's brain patterns are based on a guy called wonder man so it's like i i think that there's a wonder man and i think that wonder man is jimmy woo's missing person this guy disappears they they i don't know who that so in in the comics this guy named that's another thing yeah we didn't even touch on that they brought that person up again so clearly you know the missing person isn't something we're meant to forget about yeah so and also like the one one plot hole i don't know if i want to call it probably it just seems like it doesn't it's not congruent with when he says um wanda stole the body of vision which is against the sokovia courts and against his living will you're fucking experimenting on him true have his body deconstructed i mean like wouldn't rambo be
Starting point is 01:18:32 like what's on that screen you guys were doing stuff against his and you know what else was against his living will was being turned into a weapon sword has now changed into you know sentient sentient weapons exactly so it's like were they trying to either like you said put someone's mind inside of him where it's like okay now i'm almost like it's almost the obadiah stain like i want the fucking suit now or are they trying to use his power and create a weapon out of his body which again is against his fucking wishes anyway so this is where i think that's where they're like pinning it on wanda and they're making it so like nope she's the villain here she's the bad guy she's the terrorist and it's like i don't know and i also think we're gonna now gonna get on the in the outside world
Starting point is 01:19:12 hayward's gonna launch a smear campaign and we're gonna get newspaper headlines because this whole thing is glowing yeah he's gonna and he's gonna coin the term scarlet witch he's gonna he's gonna be like i need her to be a bad guy. I'm starting a witch hunt. Oh, I like that, a witch hunt. China virus kind of thing where you're spinning it, right? Because he's so like, she doesn't have a nickname. She doesn't have a name.
Starting point is 01:19:34 She doesn't have a code name. I was like, okay, I get it. The code name's coming. And I think it's going to be him. He's going to do a press conference. The Scarlet Witch is a danger to society. We must, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 01:19:44 And it's going to be. So in the comics, Wonder Man, it's going to be, so in the comics, Wonder Man, it's just his brain patterns that are like the basis. And they kind of already said that Vision is based on a little bit of Tony, a little bit of Banner. So like, it doesn't work perfectly,
Starting point is 01:19:56 but I think that this guy went missing. You know, they've had to, I don't know who erased the memories of who he was, but they were trying to embed him in there. And Wanda's just like, well, you're here. Because that fixes the whole, like, she's animating a dead corpse. That's a little creepy, and I don't know if she would do that. But if there's already a person in there, and she's just like,
Starting point is 01:20:17 guess what, you're my husband now. Like, I'm casting a spell on you. You figure it out, because that's what I want. I'm doing this for me now. And it's just like the Wonder Man tie-in. Now, also, Wonder Man's brother is a character called Grim Reaper, whose helmet we've seen in the cartoon, like, in the attic. I didn't know they were brothers.
Starting point is 01:20:34 So there's a lot of, like, Wonder Man tie-ins here. So I think that that's not the real vision. I think Grim Reaper has to be a part of this. I think I could honestly see, like you said, with Lady Death and Thanos, and it was a little too weird or maybe problematic in China. I think that could sub out Mephisto, do something Grim Reaper and Agnes have like the powers to,
Starting point is 01:20:55 and they're like kind of the key bad guys to this. I could kind of hop in on that Grim Reaper theory, especially now after you said that they're brothers, that makes a lot of sense. That helmet, like we're going to rewatch this series from the beginning and it's gonna be like holy shit it was there the entire time right like i feel like yeah exactly and then the whole like agnes's anniversary is the state of the salem witch trials so she's a witch and that's agatha harkness right there right and and who else
Starting point is 01:21:23 if you're about to be burnt at the stake who do you cut a deal with so you're cutting deals with the devil other people are cutting deals with devil wanders cut the deal with the devil i don't know how traditional they'll stick though with that where it's like of course you know i get your first born but i think it'll be along those lines this is where it's like they're gonna just i think they're gonna do something like that and they're just gonna do it better because they're great writers and i'm not i love that we're in the realm right now of how weird are they gonna get with this because it's gotten weird thus far and now we're like here's the line are they gonna keep pushing it can they
Starting point is 01:21:51 keep pushing it are they gonna bring in the fantastic four are they gonna bring in the x-men are they gonna bring in wonder man like are they gonna bring the grim reaper by the end of this pandemonium i have no idea but i'm goddamn excited for the rest of it this is a hell of a show how many episodes do we have left? Do we know? Is there nine total? I think there's nine. We've gotten through five. So we have four left.
Starting point is 01:22:08 Things are only going to ramp up from here. I feel like things are only going to look more like a full scale movie from here. I'm excited for like the first full out action scene we get, which I'm sure will be coming at some point. Like we'll get one. I can't wait for the rest of the show. Honestly, I'm all in. You think the final will be
Starting point is 01:22:25 like an extended you think it'll be like an hour long or something like that so it should be i mean it should be really and then i'm excited to watch it i'm excited to just binge it after it's all done right because that's like uh basically reading a graphic novel after you've gotten each single issue that it's comprised of so this has been my mom's basement thank you to brandon clancy for joining the show. This was a fun time. We'll have to get you back. Maybe at the end of the season,
Starting point is 01:22:48 it'd be fun to do a recap of the season. Clem. Thank you as always for joining the basement boys. Congrats to Billy football, Megan, Jose can say, go quit, knocked him out cold.
Starting point is 01:22:58 His eyes rolled in the back of his head and the, and the ring is sick. Shout out also to Frank, the tank for getting in his head. I have all the people Frank, the tank for getting in his head out of all the people frank the tank really was in his head get that kevin feige shirt asap if it's still up in the store that's on this podcast drops and uh we'll see you next week tell me that kevin feige shirt wouldn't turn heads at a marvel convention that you'd see that you would have to get it
Starting point is 01:23:20 major props and what are you going to wear for the WandaVision series finale? I mean, come on. You need some kind of wardrobe. I got to throw the sus list out. Oh, the sus list. We forgot the sus list. Hayward. I mean, the guy's just a bad guy at this point.
Starting point is 01:23:37 Three. All right, this one I wrote down. I take it back now. I had the dog. It's sus. Actually, you know what? That was wrong. That was wrong. I had Boba Fett on the sus list. I had the dog on's us actually you know what oh that was wrong that was wrong i had the dog on the side what if the dog is bafisto what if the dog is the bad guy though and they're trying to
Starting point is 01:23:52 make you know listen if it is we'll go back we'll give you we'll give you like the uh credit in reverse it's like retroactive for yeah you're right she was trying to admit and then this is where i'm not sure if you can trust wanda it sounded like she was like i can't resurrect the dead so that's why that leads me in support of the wonder man theory where it's like she didn't resurrect vision either she's like i can't bring this dog back i can't bring vision back either um but that's where can you trust wanda you know yeah you would have thought she'd bring back her brother right if she could have brought someone. Right. And then it's like, she's saying that she didn't do that.
Starting point is 01:24:28 She didn't make the doorbell ring. She didn't bring him in. So somebody else did. Maybe it's Mephisto. Maybe that's actually Mephisto in disguise. But if it's like, if you really want to, but if you really want to sell that, if you're trying to deceive Wanda and make her happy, why wouldn't you bring back her real brother? Why would you bring them?
Starting point is 01:24:43 So I don't know. It's a little weird. Or maybe they tried and that's who fucking came up and they were like, is this, I guess this is her brother. Sure. Good enough. It's like,
Starting point is 01:24:50 yeah. Speaking of her brother, he's number four on the sus list. Quicksilver. He's kind of, you know, he says, Hey,
Starting point is 01:24:55 it was the popsicle over there, which is he saying it? Cause vision's dead as shit. You know, he's cold. Or he also says, can I squeeze my baby sister to death? Oh, I didn't hear that hey hey can a can a big brother scrape squeeze his baby sister to death whoa whoa
Starting point is 01:25:13 death a lot in this show just the jersey accident has me cracking up number five on the sus list you're on it now dotty i didn't leave you off which makes even more sus in my list. Missing persons, not missing man, missing persons. Dottie might be the missing person. You suspect motherfucker. You're sus, Dottie. I don't like you one bit. I like your husband. He's funny. Very funny. She's been
Starting point is 01:25:35 sus since the beginning, so Dottie definitely deserves to be on that list. We'll have to get the sus list back next week. I can't believe I forgot the sus list. I mean, maybe I deserve to be on the sus list. I'm trying to suppress the sus list. Maybe I'm're number six also shout out mike sullivan he said uh agent neighborhood has two hexagons in his office like if you look at it there's like a pattern and then his pictures are in a hexagon that really is the hidden mickey of wandavision it's just look for hexagons everywhere look for things with six sides six things house of m look
Starting point is 01:26:02 for x-men magic is called hex magic yeah i love that they tied it in she and i i love um darcy you call the bags that that was perfect dude the the comedic chemistry the timing between darcy jimmy woo monica rambo i'm telling you that the x-files show if you want to make it i am in all right folks thank you to our sponsors for sponsoring the show thank you to brend Brendan Clem for joining us. Enjoy the Super Bowl, or I guess I hope you enjoyed the Super Bowl. We'll see you next week.

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