My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 11 - BEING A NERD IN THE 90’s WITH KFC & SUPER PRODUCER BC

Episode Date: June 3, 2019

The Clancy Brothers join Robbie this week to school him on what it was like to be nerds (and brothers) in the 90's. They discuss PC games like King's Quest, Marvel cards, Magic: The Gathering, old school WWF, Star Trek, and so much more, before getting into what everybody's nerding out about nowadays.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. This show is a lot of fun. We have Kevin Clancy, KFC from Barstool, and his brother, Brendan Clancy, kind of schooling me on what it was like to be a nerd in the 1990s, the conversations they had in their mom's basement back in the 90s. And it was just a ton of fun to sit down with them. I mean, they're obviously two of the reasons why I'm a podcaster today. So it was an honor. And I think it's a lot of fun. I think it was a great show. So check it out.

Enjoy. And I'll talk to you on Friday for a special Friday bonus edition of My Mom's Basement centered around UFC 238, which is coming up on Saturday. All right, welcome back to the show. I am joined now by two of the sneakiest nerds at Barstool HQ and two people that are partially responsible for me podcasting at all, so it's an honor to have them join my show.

Finally, the clancy brothers kfc and brendan guys thank you for joining me ain't nothing sneaky about this fucking guy yeah i was gonna say you sneak it in there i'm just gonna i'm a low-key nerd not by no i don't try to hide it it just i don't think people like i'm okay i'm okay with it you know what i mean uh but you're not sneaky you're just a fucking nerd no Brendan's not nerdy but I feel like there are people here that know Brendan as like the tech nerdy guy the Donatello of Barstool

if you will alright I'll take that I'll take that but they don't know him as like I could go over and talk to him

about 90s Marvel comic books for three hours I'm so glad I'm married because people are gonna realize how long I was a virgin after we talk about the stuff we're gonna talk about yeah so today

we're gonna be talking about what it's like or what it was like to be a nerd in the 1990s. 1990s. Which I wasn't really around for. I like to fuck with people on Twitter all the time and be like, I'm a true 90s kid. What, 98? And it just drives people up the wall. He was born right when DMX came out. It's dark and hell is hot is Hot is 21 years old.

And I'm not. And he's not. So he was not alive for his Dark and Hell is Hot. I used to get blown away by people who weren't old enough to understand the Biggie and Tupac. But now it's like, oh, no, I was born after it. He never lived in a world with Tupac and Biggie. Yeah, because we talked about that on Twitter recently. I think the performance of, what is it?

It's Puff Daddy and Sting at the VMAs. And Puff comes out dancing. This motherfucker was slandering it. Like he's Napoleon Dynamite. And I was slandering it. You remember that? The dancing was a little funny. A little much.

Dude, I was watching that. Like when you were commenting on it, whatever it was. I was watching the same thing. I was like tearing up. And I see Bob on Twitter being like, this is fucking stupid. I was like, you're fucking stupid. That's because Bob was being born during that performance. Yeah, true.

I mean, I've always said whenever we've done anything, KFC Radio, like how young is too young or what age can you hook up with a girl or whatever. I'm like, you got to at least be around for Biggie and Tupac. That's my line of demarcation. It seems fair for you, but for me like yeah biggie and tupac is just they're just legends yeah they're nothing more than literal legends yeah it might not have existed yeah maybe it's i have no idea crazy but uh these two were nerds in the 90s big time nerds in the 90s and they have a bunch of stuff that apparently they they could bring up that maybe I'll know, maybe I won't.

Now, I do have a brother 12 years older than me and a sister 9 years older. And you're an old soul. Yes. So as much as you're not a 90s kid, I feel like you'll know a lot of this stuff because you're just like a student of the game. Yeah. The student of the nerd game. I hope so.

But I saw some tweets from you guys yesterday when we were promoing the show. I was like, let me find the most obscure thing I could possibly find. And what was that that you found? We could start off right here. You want to do this one first or you want to do Magic first? All right, we'll do that first. That was King's Quest 3. King's Quest is the greatest series of computer games ever.

It's spectacular. I know. And I think the creators of it just like retired and they were like we're not going to try and reboot this we're not going to try and maximize this like iphones why would we put our classic game on an iphone and just cash in no let it live like how it should be leave it alone it's like don't make the sequel don't bastardize this just let this masterpiece towards the end i don't know how where to start with exist because towards the end I don't know where to start with this because towards the end it gets completely ruined just like Game of Thrones

so oh no so yeah it kind of like ended on a low note go back to the start of King's Quest because Kevin was

telling me yesterday we said we gotta save this for the show that you guys had like he said maybe the world's first laptop absolutely the orange and black

laptop was the first one the Toshiba and I think it was 75 pounds like I think it was heavier than a desktop. People, like, we put it in one place. We didn't carry it anywhere. We didn't move it.

It was, like, it just had to stay there because it was a literal brick. People weren't even getting, like, PCs yet. And we somehow had a fucking, quote, unquote, mobile, like, laptop. For some reason, it was not black and white. It was black and orange. Like, all the text, all the screen. Like, if you played a game. Everything was Halloween themed. It was. It looked. Like all the text, all the screen, like if you played a game. Everything was Halloween themed.

It was. It looked like a jack-o'-lantern. It was very strange. And basically like Star Wars, we start in the middle because the first game we got was King's Quest 3. Okay.

Instead of one or two, we got three. Let me, I'm just going to give you, this is like the Wikipedia. Sure, sure. Okay. Of King's Quest in general? The King's Quest series chronicles the saga of the royal family We got three. I'm just going to give you – this is like the Wikipedia synopsis.

Of King's Quest in general? Yeah. The King's Quest series chronicles the saga of the royal family in the kingdom of Daventry through their various trials and adventures. The story takes place over two generations across many lands as the heroes and heroines fight evil witches and wizards and other villains. Oh. Oh. Oh, my God. That is a nerdgasm.

Yeah. Oh, my God. That is a nerdgasm. Yeah, I mean, and I was so, all of these things, I was a nerd because of him. And I tried to keep up as much as I could. How much older are you than him? Four years. Okay. So, and right now that's not that big of a deal, but, you know, like six and ten and eight and twelve. And then, you know, especially twelve and like 16 it's you know at various points like the nerd past because like you know a 14 year old a 10 year old is interested in whatever a 14 year old

older brother is doing yeah and when he's playing like king's quest he's like this is so cool and all everybody in high school was like what the fuck are you doing but i the uh i'm also trying to keep up with some of these games and video games and shit, and I'm, like, too young for it. You know what I mean? So, like, what kind of game was it? Was it a side-scroller or was it, like – I don't know what – I know that, like, King's Quest V was point-and-click. Okay.

This was whatever was before that where you had to type in what you wanted to do. You could use the directional pad to move your character around, then you had to like type in like open door and type in like pick up at one point you have to like if you have a typo is it just nothing's happening for you?

Yeah if you type in something wrong it'll give you like an error message and then you could fuck with it you could be like fuck you computer and it'll be like

that wasn't very nice or something like that kind of like when you fuck with Alexa right now but it was cool because you had to like you know you're just looking at a screen and it's like all right i gotta like figure out the puzzle

or figure out the answer and you gotta just like come up with it and be like all right let me like pick up the pot and like put it in the oven or whatever it was it was like you would just walk around places and type in get yeah like get pot get knife get broom and then sometimes i just be like you can't take that we just drew that that's just an item in the background dude that has nothing to do with the game like just move on you can't take that. We just drew that. That's just an item in the background, dude. That has nothing to do with the game. Like, just move on. But you didn't know that. I think it was like, it was pretty, I would imagine it was more difficult than games are today where it was like, you got to just creatively come up with. A lot of games back then were like puzzle games.

Yeah. And that's kind of like, I don't know if you guys know, there's a series of video games right now that are just Lego video games. Like, they do Lego Star Wars. They do Lego whatever. And my nephew loves those. He's obsessed with the lego marvel one and when i play that with him it's interesting because he's much better at it than i am and it's a puzzle game so like i have fun with it because i'm like yeah i gotta think of it but just the way a kid's brain works like he knows because he's been playing the game for so

long like all the oh wait maybe a brick is behind this door. Yeah. It's crazy. Right. And yeah, like stuff like that. And all that is primed for a kid's brain because like if you go on like an emulator or you go back and like, I can't do it now. I like lose my patience and I'm like,

why don't they design games like this? But if a game like that came out today, I'd be like, first of all, I'd just like jump on and be like, how do you beat this game? And then like it would solve all the puzzles for you. That's another thing.

You had to order the hint book. Like you had to mail in like, how do you beat this game? And then it would solve all the puzzles for you. That's another thing. You had to order the hint book. You had to mail in a money order. Was it a hint book or a cheat code book? Because I loved cheat code books when I was little. Well, there was – At the book fair, you get yourself a cheat code book. Yeah, it was basically cheats because it was like not hints. It was like this is how you do it.

They called it a hint book, but it was basically just like this is how you solve all the puzzles. But there was also like – well, we did the Indiana Jones games, and there was like a decoder book where you needed to like – that was almost like its own game. That was pirate protection though. That was like you needed the code so that – Yeah. I mean we were calling up our cousins. That also just reminded me – What's the code to like log in because they had it.

This is the problem though because that just reminded me of Star Tropics we're gonna be all over the place see I don't even know what that is Star Tropics was so Star Tropics this was remember the meta part

where you like there was actually a note with the game yes so there's this is a cold piece of paper there's a letter from I mean

I really don't even have the backstory this is a PC game this is an original Nintendo game yeah regular Nintendo where

I think your weapon was a yo-yo yep right so you were like you throw yo-yos at people by I think your weapon was a yo-yo? Yep. Right. You were like, you throw yo-yos at people. By the way, we can talk about yo-yos too. Remember when they all got banned from school?

That was fucking crazy. Oh, wow. Duncan, I had like my own shit that got banned from school. For me, it was silly bands. Do you remember silly bands from a few years ago? No, no, no.

Oh, no, yeah. They were like rubber bands that were shaped as animals. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys used to have like a bands that were shaped as animals okay oh yeah yeah you guys used to have like a thousand on your wrist right yeah and yeah and they got banned because like the kids that couldn't afford them it was it was bugging them i don't know that was schools are like the dumbest shit in the world that was past us certainly past you

the old fuck yeah but i remember like i think one of my like younger cousins had them or some shit i was like what do you i remember people them or something like that. I was like, what are you – I remember people joking that it looked like a condom ring around your – Yeah, yeah. I can't remember the plot of StarTropics at all. I think it was like you're like a young boy and your uncle or your grandpa is missing and you're trying to save him or whatever. But when you buy the game, it came with a letter from your grandpa or your uncle or whatever. And in the game, you have same letter and it's it's like you need to put the letter in water so you're you're going around the game trying to like

throw like that's not an option to do you have to take the letter put it in a bowl of water put it in water and a message reveals like a password or something it's so sick like they don't do that kind of shit i know my sister wouldn't have been able to play that game. Her, like, number one pet peeve in the entire world is wet paper. Paper and water? Yeah. She'd be like, I'm out. It is.

It's like, for me, it's like styrofoam squeaking together. It fucks me up. If a video game came out and they were like, hey, here's two blocks of styrofoam. Like, rub them together and it'll tell you the secret message. And you're like, this game's over. But if you lost that paper and just, like, couldn't get past the level yeah pretty much gotta call up your buddy and you're like hey did you put that piece of paper in a bowl of water and how do you find something like that out because the internet doesn't exist right i mean that's where i i i

try to i'm trying to remember what life was like pre-internet where it was like you know yeah if you or even even like trying to do the Water Temple in Zelda. Like there was enough internet at that point that, you know, the Water Temple was so fucking hard. Now you can just watch a walkthrough on YouTube. Right. But like if the Water Temple existed 10 years earlier, I don't think anybody would have ever finished that game.

So hold on. To put a bookmark on King's Quest. Yes. This game, were you like... King Graham, right? Was there storylines as important as the game? Were you like following along with the storyline? Like intently you want to see what's going to happen?

Or was it just like a chat game? No, I'd say so. I'd say, you know, it was a storyline. Like I said, so we started with King's Quest 3 for whatever reason. And in King's Quest 3, you are a guy named Gwydion in the kingdom of Luidor who is a slave to a wizard. It's insane that he remembers all this. I Googled it. Oh, okay.

I remembered a lot of it. Let me try to remember. Grammaham or something like that? Mananan. Mananan. The wizard Mananan. And that wizard was the scariest motherfucker. Scariest.

On this orange. I mean, he's drunk. And it was like an 8-bit. I mean, yeah. And you couldn't see shit on this orange so black it was like an eight bit so i mean yeah and yeah and you couldn't see shit on the orange or black so the whole thing if i remember you're and the wizard manahan would be like i'm going out for the day like you're locked in the basement though and that was your chance to like run around his house and try to like unlock you couldn't do anything like you the first like 10 minutes you play this game you probably died like 15 times because you weren't allowed to do anything.

And you realized that you had to wait until he either went on a journey or took a nap. Right. And as he was sleeping, you could sneak around. You had to do shit like you had to empty his bedpan and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. He would give you orders. He'd be like, go feed the chickens. It was a chicken coop. And you weren't allowed to have anything magical and you would know,

you would pick things up and check your inventory and it would have a star if it was magical and you'd be like, oh shit, I need to hide this under my bed because if he catches me having it, he'll kill me. I remember being like,

you have to guess that and be like, hide wand under the bed. Yeah, I don't know how we figured this shit out. That is crazy to me. Because every time if the wizard was to find it on you, he'd fucking kill you. Because nowadays in a video game, the bed yeah I don't know how we figured this shit out that is crazy because every time if the wizard was finding it on you he'd fucking kill you

because now it is in a video game the bed will be glowing yes and you'll walk through any of that and that's how it was by King's Quest 7

by King's Quest 7 that's what it was and that's why King's Quest 7 is not canon and it's garbage and it doesn't exist you know it was like

a point and click they put out 7 games all on PC and then there was Space Quest and they just fucking did it in space. Oh, shit. Did you guys buy into that? Oh, yeah.

Absolutely. Roger Wilco. Roger Wilco. That shit was fire. This is all for PC, too. Yeah, man. This was like, I mean, I don't know if they ever adapted it to anything else, but we played all those on. So as far as computer games go for me, like the big one of my generation is Minecraft, obviously.

Other than that, it's World of Warcraft, which I once bought after the South Park episode. computer games go for me like the big one of my generation is minecraft obviously yeah other than that it's world of warcraft which i once bought after the south park episode because i thought the south park episode looked so cool yeah i was like i would fucking love this so i go out to gamestop and i bought it and you buy like again it's a box with a code in it that says all right you type this code in you own it i had my mom helping me and she read it and she's like it says you got to pay 9.99 monthly like we already bought the game but just for the online access i was like oh yeah yeah yeah she's like we're not we're not doing that we'll go back to game stop pick out a new game we're just not doing that she's like i pay for your xbox lot right right i was like oh

shit but other than that like i don't think i played any other computer games my sister i used to watch my sister what play the sims sims i was gonna say sims i feel like was still your generation she used to make me like turn around when she had to like have the characters make a baby she would be like but see we even started we were just doing sim city roller coaster sim city on nintendo did you guys play i didn't do i didn't do roller coaster yeah i liked that everybody yeah who played that loves that where you make your kid throw up, you make him die. You make the people go right off the cliff. But like SimCity, you could do that too.

SimCity, you could send Godzilla to destroy your city. You build it and send people running in fear. On the PC, it was King's Quest, Space Quest, Civilization. If you didn't play Civilization. Yes, so I played played civilization two of it civ 2 is it's not a great game it's like a great accomplishment from humanity that was a fucking masterpiece that game i i mean and that was something also again i was like like young and trying to catch on with like him and my older cousins. But when you discover gunpowder in Civilization 2 and now you have guns.

Yeah. I mean, that was. Billy Madison, like, oh, now you're all in trouble. Yeah. And like just every time you figure out a new technology. I bet you could eventually drop a nuclear bomb on a city. Crazy shit. Yeah.

Every time you build the wonder of the world. And you could like view your city and you could like see the feet of the colossus and like you would see all these i nerded out so hard on so these computer games what age range are we talking here like how old are you guys when you're playing all these games i'm probably between like 6 and 10, 8 and 12. That sounds right. We were in Pennsylvania at that point, outside Philly. Right.

I was there from first to fifth grade. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, we did a bit outside Philly for a minute. The Toshiba, though. King's Quest. That was like City Island. That was when we all lived in the Bronx. So that was like fifth grade for me.

So this is civilization for me it's like for young i don't know yeah and i don't know how this happened because we're fucking like stupid but civilization one had like an intro sequence in the beginning and we hacked into that and changed yeah so so it was like we were using ms dos where you're doing like c colon backslash you know the green and yeah like we're in the matrix we're plugged into the matrix i don't know dad must have had some kind of influence which is crazy because my dad like an r word now and like back then apparently he was helping us hack computer games all like the text and prompt if you like searched the right direction he was helping us you could see all like the text and prompt if you like searched the right direction i remember it and you could just like the very

beginning it said in the beginning the earth was void remember that that was like the beginning line we just like changed the words to it yeah so we were like we're hacking our computer game intros like yeah yeah like whatever we wanted of course we made like mahatma gandhi say terrible things yeah it was like instead of it being greetings, we would like to engage in trade. He was like, what up my n-words? Because that was the other thing we were doing. We were listening to hardcore rap music. Okay, so yeah, let's get into what are the Clancy brothers listening to in the early 90s.

Early 90s is Guns N' Roses. I was going to say, you guys fuck with some Guns N' Roses because you've sent me, like on multiple occasions, like use your illusion shit. Use your illusion one and two, Appetite for Destruction. Some Metallica. I didn't get down with Metallica as much,

but then that and like West Coast hip hop. Yeah. Like Tribe and... It was like 96 was like All eyes on me, Tupac. But like 92, we were doing like nothing but a G thing. We were doing Dre and Snoop. It was highly inappropriate. Now, here's something that – good question for you.

My brother was also into West Coast hip-hop in the early 90s. And he said the first time he saw Snoop Dogg in a music video, he was like terrified. He was like terrified he was like he's like that's a bad man well when when in uh what's my name when he morphs into a doberman and i realized how much he looks like a dog i was like oh snoop doggie dog i get it now man but so you gotta understand again there he's he's too young for this even but i am most certainly too young to be listening to the music that i'm listening to. I remember Montel Jordan had dropped, too. This is How We Do It came out.

When This Is How We Do It came out, I played that probably 25 times in a row. I was just like, I don't know what it is. It's so funny for me to hear that. It's catchy. It's like a cheesy commercial song. Oh, so cheesy. I know. It was that then, too.

I was listening exclusively with Howie Mandel. Like at this point. No, at that time, though, that was like the party jam. Yeah. Like that, and this is probably another mythical song. We were like,

Return of the Mack came out. You know, Mark Morrison. To you, that's probably just, again, something you hear on commercials and it was like, no, no, no, that's that new hot shit.

And you had the six CD changer. Yeah, it's the carousel. Which was like, I mean, when we got that he got that for christmas one year and it was like the most important thing that's ever happened you guys are listening on discmans discmans is that yeah yeah and i went had the uh the anti-skip yeah yeah it did but remember the and the yellow cassette player yes the sony walkman cassette player waterproof like a sport version you would want a cassette player underwater.

God. Go on vacation. There's got to be some cheesy Sony cassette commercial where the people go on vacation. They're like, it's waterproof. You can jump in the pool. But there was a song on Montel Jordan's album. And I mean, I just, you know, I'm singing along to these lyrics and shit. I don't know what they mean.

And I just remember one time we were like blasting music. I think we thought mom wasn't home And I just There was like a little part Like a little intro or interlude Or something on a Montel Jordan song And I just I decided to sing along with it

And I said Who's pimping who And shit like that I had no idea what pimping meant And I got caught by mom Doing a Tupac song Just You wonder what we call you bitch

You wonder what we call you bitch And she You wonder what we call you, bitch. And she's like, what? What the fuck is going on here? Yeah, there was a time where I think, especially our father must have been like, what is this about? As we got older, dressing like full-blown wiggers, you know, like high school kids just want to be black rappers. Triple XL t-shirts. Yes. And my mom was like, whatever.

She would take us to Cross County. to be black rappers xl t-shirt yes and my mom was like whatever you know trying to cross county i'm like trying to buy us christmas gifts and shit being like here's like a terry cloth sean john hoodie you willie esco losers bucket hats like we were gonna like break dance yes yes mark echo for sure but yeah that uh the video game the the computer game era i think was that was when i was like nerding out probably the most and then what do you guys move on to from that do you go right to like all right we got a console we were playing nintendo now or do you go when you get into comic books that was all concurrent yeah a lot of it was all at the same time that's what's funny it's like we were listening to like hardcore rap and then being like we gotta go play king's quest

we were very eclectic we were always cutting edge video games yeah like my grandma got us nintendo 64 like early somehow i think she was like you know she's on like some special list i remember that and super soakers she stood online for like four hours you know what's super soaker 120 i think my so i was way too young for this but when the game boy color came out, I think my brother and sister got that early because – and this is so weird. But my aunt used to work for Tommy Hilfiger. So growing up, my Game Boy Color was a yellow Tommy Hilfiger Game Boy. It had Tommy Hilfiger, like the logo, the printing. I wonder if I still have it.

It would be great to get a picture of it because it was just so bizarre. Like it didn't have a Tommy Hilfiger sticker. Tommy was that shit, man. It was a Tommy Hilf hill figure game boy my grandma used to yeah that's wild like the actual like plastic of it yes my grandma used to go to uh like a flea market in co-op city and buy his bootleg tommy hill figure stuff oh wow but i remember like being like this is the coolest thing ever i got that that red and blue flag on me like i am i'm officially cool and then some kid knew it was bootleg and he was like, that shit's fake. And I was like,

fuck! So here's another question. Now that I'm thinking of the Game Boy, when you guys were playing on that laptop that was like horrible and bad,

like not easy to see, did you have to shine a flashlight at the screen? Because I remember I had a flashlight that plugged into my Game Boy. Wow. That just shined down

at the screen. I'll tell you what. We probably should have. We played King's Quest 3 for probably like six weeks not realizing that there was just a screen that you could just walk to because we couldn't see it. Yeah. Like there was, and a friend of mine came over

and it was like, so you were the wizard's house and like I thought that that was all there was to do. And like you couldn't, and then eventually, I think there was like a half an hour time limit like if you didn't make progress he just killed you he was just like uh i think it was because the return from the storyline in the storyline it was like he turned 18 and he was like i i kill all my slaves when they turn 18 and he would uh he would dust you he would thanos you yeah he would just like wave his wand and you would just like poof into dust. So bringing it back to comics. When are you getting into comics?

I mean I must have been into comics. I remember buying Marvel cards. Marvel cards. I think it was the cards. I think it was the Marvel cards. I remember buying Marvel cards in third grade. Okay. And I collected the cards more than – I used to go to that place, that spot on like Central Ave.

Yeah. All the cards. Card shops where it was like – And then eventually When we were in Philly Classic Collectibles Yeah It was a place called

Classic Collectibles Where you could get All your baseball cards And all your And it was like heaven I walked in there And I remember like Trying to save up enough

For like a Ken Griffey Rookie card in the case Yeah yeah yeah With the wooden Plastic Like a plaque You know what I mean Like one of those

For me comic books I got in At the And I remember like one of those for me comic books I got in at the and I remember like I remember Weapon X we had like a special edition of Weapon X that was like a thick comic

with like a nice cover probably like an animal or something like that yeah it was something along those lines so I have flashes of that but the death of Superman

was when I was like in on comics that's like one of the biggest events of the whole 90s that was one of the biggest events ever I mean to me the five or six

different like replacement you know Superboy Man of Steel and all that shit we had the like the death

of Superman in the black plastic case and we kept it because we thought it was going to be collectible and we didn't know

that they made like 500 million of them we thought it was going to be like the most money in the world and had the

Superman shield with the blood trickling and then the white one and then the world. It had the Superman shield with the blood trickling. It's one of the best covers a comic book has ever had. And then the white one was like the return. And is that the one when you open it up, it's the cape ripped and like hanging across something? And it fucking drives me crazy to this day.

I defend Batman versus Superman as a movie all the time. I'm like it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Like the Ben Affleck? Yes. Okay. But it drives me fucking insane that they wasted the death of Superman storyline on that movie. Yeah. Because I'm like, goddammit, just make that one about Batman.

You didn't have to shoehorn in Doomsday. Oh, yeah. Because Doomsday was- Doomsday was one of the coolest- Yeah. Doomsday was like- What the fuck? Might as well be fucking Thanos.

Yeah. I was going to say, that's what I- I remember Bane, Doomsday, and Thanos to me were like the three- Because B three obviously breaks batman's back like were you into dc comics too yeah more marvel huge uh event of the 90s as well when batman gets his back broken it's kind of the parallel to the death yeah we kind of like yeah i think with dc at least for me like i picked it up when you heard like death of superman is happening you know we just didn't follow along i didn't really like it was x-men yeah i didn't read every single uh yeah x-men and um i don't know if this is like when i got

into it but the the story arc that always sticks out in my head is executioner song yeah and i'm just like if they fuck that up that's a deep cut and it's got to go like you know now with with x-men you know coming back to marvel studios and i don't know if they're going to recast it or everything they are because like you had to build it just like infinity war had to be built up with all the other stories like this one has to like like you have to have x-men and but then like cable has to be a big part of x-men and then strife is a big part of him and if you don't do that or set, you need like years of setting that up. And now if they're going to recast X-Men and they have to like retell the story of how the X-Men came about, it's going to be a long time.

But I want them to do it right. I did see some rumors, by the way, recently that Keanu is up for Wolverine. Yeah, that would be great. That would be so smart because he's one of the most beloved people. Probably, I mean like that would be so smart because he's one of the most beloved people. Probably, I mean, like literally universally. Yeah. I have never heard someone say a bad word about Keanu, especially in the later years where we've learned he's like gone through so much and he's still so positive. And does he do like some Ashton Kutcher shit?

Doesn't he like save the world? Doesn't he like donate all of his money to charity or something? I'm pretty sure he does. Yeah. So he's just like the best on top of being like badass John Wick and Johnny Utah and all this shit, Matrix. So that would be like perfect. They should do that. I originally said Kit Harington.

Yeah, I like that. I like the short. Yeah, because he's making Wolverine. You were blown away by that, right? When I first told you that Wolverine's a short guy? I mean, it makes sense. Like the animal. But Keanu, I'm all in on.

So at this time, though, in the 90s, there were very few superhero movies out. It was the Tim Burton Batman movies. Yeah. And that's about it. And the cheesy-ass Supermans. Which we loved. I was gonna say, when we I mean, but if you watch that back now, it's super funny. No, I'm going, Ken Jack went around in the old office and asked, like,

what's your favorite one? And I said Superman 4, I think. And Bob was, like, appalled. No, I love it. I love the Supermans. I mean, when he spins the world backwards, when he randomly fixes the brick wall with blue vision. Yeah, what was that? I don't know.

One of Superman's powers is he fucking Bob the Builder. The Richard Donner cut of Superman 2 is very good. Very good movie. Superman 2 is which one? What's the conflict there? Return of Zod. Yeah, that was great. Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor making Meteor Man with Superman's lock of hair.

Holding up that giant weight. How about Incredible? Meteor Man was awesome. How about his hair was in a museum, right? And it could hold up a ton, but they could just cut it. They cut it with bolt cutters. It's not that strong. We got it. I love cutting one They cut it with bolt cutters. It's not that strong. We got it. I love cutting one strand of hair with bolt cutters.

That's just such a comic book visual. Bring out the bolt cutters. It's a lock of Kryptonian hair. I just love the piece of Kryptonite, the crystals. I was a little kid. I was obsessed with crystals and boxes

and stones and weird shaped things. What was that? Like geodes? Remember that? Minerals. Minerals and crystals. Yeah. I was very much like that.

Those purple crystal things. I love rocks. That's bizarre. Can I also? Yeah. That's really strange. So weird. I'll tell you my three weirdest.

I'm not even going to call it nerdy. They're just weird. That's one of them. I was obsessed with like – I would get obsessed with weird things. We got to get you like healing crystals for this. My sister likes those. You charge them in the sunlight and all that. Make the energy of KFC radio.

I would get fixated on just things in general. I remember another nerd thing. We were a very big Star Trek family. We would watch Star Trek The Next Generation every night together. What? You don't like Star Trek? No. Kirk Lovin's box suckers?

Absolutely not. Is that a Star – yeah. Okay. It's like Skittles and M&M's for me. I get it. But you actually don't like it or it's just like you feel allegiance to – So I've never seen the television show ever. I've seen every old school movie and I saw the first J.J. Abrams movie.

I like the movies. Yeah. I mean, Patrick Stewart's awesome. I don't love Kirk and Spock. No, well, that was too early for us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Next Generation was like – They were still making the Kirk movies when they're coming out. The Jean-Luc Picard movie

where he is time traveling and they're in the Nexus with Q, that was awesome. I would be very into watching the show. I think I would like that and also Battlestar Galactica. I've never seen it. I think I would like that a lot.

I never watched that one. Gene Roddenberry was like i mean those those those episodes are all like allegories and philosophical shit it's kind of like twilight zone ish almost where each episode means i mean the trouble with tribbles where they're black and white but they hate each other if they're black and white is on the wrong side it's just about racism it's just yeah like why we everything was symbolic everything's really deep but anyway to get back to like we went to like a star trek like convention thing once and there yeah oh yeah and there was and there was a pen and i and i just wanted this pen like i got very attached to like

things like a little ozd yeah like and like i mean the pen was like 50 you know because it was like a i don't remember but it was like a really tiny pen yeah it was like it was it was a sleek looking pen and i just remember it sticks out of my mind where my mom was like we're not getting like a 50 pen and i would like threw like a tantrum to the point that she was like here's the fucking pen but i but like rocks crystals pens boxes like things i would like i i love that kind of shit uh and the other two like super nerdy things for a while i didn't even like want to talk about this stuff at barstool i was like this will like kill my persona almost now i don't give a fuck but uh one was magic magic the gathering like

for a long time i was like i'm not gonna i'm not gonna talk about that the other thing I did, and this is the nerdiest thing ever, is I collected coins. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. Like quarters with states on the back and you had a thing you put them into. That's like trash, but yes. My dad was into it. My dad kind of instilled it in me.

So I'm talking like I wanted a commemorative silver dollar that was in a case in a felt box. Like a United States mint set where it had all the different coins in a plastic thing. It's funny you say that because my dad was also into that and passed a bunch of it down

to me. So he's a diehard Redskins fan. And we had commemorative Super Bowl coins. I feel like that was a marketing push. They pushed that on people. They were like, we're going to make new coins. And everyone was like, out to me so he's a diehard redskins fan and we had like commemorative like super bowl coins yeah i feel like that was like a marketing push like they pushed that on people they were like we're gonna make new coins and everybody's like fuck new coins we didn't we got any coins are only one thing this is different yeah they were like coin commercials when the quarters had like new states on the back and shit it was a big deal so i took all those coins to like a jewelry store when i turned 18 sold them yeah a couple hundred bucks for those coins. Swear to God.

I sold a bunch of original Nintendo games at a yard sale for like $75 and I regretted it like two months later. I was like, god damn it. Let me tell you the meanest thing my brother has ever done to me. Oh no. Straight up bullying. There was a video

game. Is it Solomon's Key? Solomon's Key. This video game is Solomon's Key? You know. Solomon's Key. Is this video game Solomon's Key? This is a little weird, too. This isn't just like normal boy. It just stopped working one day. Like, you know, video games, Nintendo games, you have to blow in them. I mean, that's a whole other thing.

Did you even know that life? Yes, because of Sega, not Nintendo. But my brother passed down his Sega Genesis to me when he was on to like PS2 or whatever it was. He was like, yeah, have the Sega Genesis. I fucking loved Mortal Kombat. My mom hated that. I loved Mortal Kombat. Oh, yeah.

Bloodiest shit ever. But like we had – you know, you had – you're blowing it soft. You're blowing it hard. You put it in and go up and down, up and down. You had like your own routine to make it work. So you basically had to like fucking finger like the game until it worked. Yes, big time. Sometimes you had to keep it pushed down and put another game on top of it.

To keep it like stuck down, yeah. And then we even bought a kit at one point that had like alcohol swabs and shit to clean the inside. Also like shout out to kids at this time for figuring all this shit out. We were, you know, ingenuity. Like we'll figure out a way to make it work. Because nowadays a game doesn't work. You're like, I don't know. I guess the game doesn't fucking work.

You got to like download a patch or some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so yeah, this one game doesn't work. You're like, I don't know. I guess the game doesn't fucking work. You got to download a patch or some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so, yeah, this one game didn't work. And rather than just being like, well, I don't know. It's because these things are like trash. Him and his best friend made up this lie that I peed on it. Oh, come on. They said, you peed on Solomon's Key and ruined it.

And I was like, I didn't pee on the game, guys. That was his idea saying we're saying names that was anton's idea this kid fucking he said that his whole family they're all degenerate did you say it to like your parents like that's why it doesn't hurt you said it to me they were just like bullying me i was like why doesn't this work anymore you peed on it straight in the face knowing he didn't pee on it and you were like i mean i absolutely knew i mean solomon's key i i don't know how could he have seen you pee on it or something like that is that the story he was spinning what's crazy is i was like it affected me so much i was like i mean i know i didn't pee on this game guys but i was

like it was almost like hank during the porn uh pirate porn thing yeah remember when he was like i'm 99 sure i didn't download it i was like i don't think i peed on it but it's not working and and these guys are like idolized you know so i'm like maybe i don't know maybe i peed on it but it's not working and and these guys are like idolized you know so i'm like maybe i don't know maybe i peed on it that was straight bullying straight fucking bullying man uh but yeah then uh so the coins the weird like obsession with like objects but then magic the gathering man yeah let's talk magic the gathering i never got into it i never really got into any card games you didn't even do pokemon baseball cards i loved baseball cards growing up. Did you do Marvel cards? No, but my brother did. My brother still has his binder full of Marvel cards.

Marvel cards were dope. The stats on the back, especially when you got guys like Apocalypse and it was like power. It was off the chart with power. Still to this day, some of the coolest character designs of all time were on those Marvel cards. Hell yeah. The shiny ones. Yeah, the holograms. Silver Surfer hologram. So dope.

The Marvel cards, if you haven't seen them and you're listening to this podcast, look them up because they're fucking awesome. So cool. I could spend hours flipping through my house. I would love to go through the binder, yeah. But Magic the Gathering I never got into. I would always see it at Warped Tour. They were always a big sponsor of Warped Tour where they would hand out free cards. It was them and Trojan.

Which is funny because you're probably not using those. Don't match. The guys who were getting the magic cards were like, what are these? Looking at the condoms. And the kids who wanted the condoms were like, get that fucking nerd card out of here. I never got into magic,

but I was definitely on that side where I would go to Warped Tour and me and my friends would get condoms and blow them up into balloons and be like, imagine using these. Do you remember? I have no idea how we got on to Magic. I was going to ask you.

I mean, everything we were on was because of him, so I don't know. Is Magic the Gathering like Pokemon in that, like, it's – I mean, I couldn't tell you because I don't know what Pokemon's like. Are you using cards together? I think it's allowed. I don't really know Pokemon, but I think it's allowed. Like a very quick synopsis of, like, you's a lot. I don't really know Pokemon, but I think it's a lot. Like a very quick synopsis of like you have a deck. You have to play mana, which is like –

It's a land card. A land. So it's like a mountain or a swamp or whatever. The basis of it is – And then – no, that's like in order to cast a character. It would cost like three swamps or some shit like that. So the basis of it is like you're a magician and you you're and you like in some you can summon creatures and you can cast spells and you the basis of it is the five like elements i guess and it's it's um white green black red and blue

and they're the plains the forest forest, the swamp is black. I think so. Red is the mountains. Red is the mountains. Blue is the water. So you're pulling your magic from the earth. The world, yeah. So that's how you get a deck of cards and some of them are these lands

and you would build your deck based on that. It would be a blue deck and it would just have islands or it would be a blue and black and it would be islands and swamps and you would have to play the land cards and then like black and green is our shit right yeah i don't i can't really remember why but that you had to pick like certain combos made sense like you wouldn't have like a red blue deck we were just kind of making

sure like yeah guessing that that would be good with your circle yeah but that's another thing that like i remember specific because you you could get a starter set that had two decks. And again, it had things I was obsessed with. It had these little counters. Remember those little blue crystal bead things? Because you had 20 life points or whatever. Yes, you would have these little counters. That's like your health?

Yes. It degenerates over the game? And it would come in like a little zip, like a pull-tie pouch sort of thing. And it had these blue crystals. And I was like, health? Yes. Like it degenerates over the game? And it would come in like a little, like a zip, like a pull-tie pouch sort of thing. Oh, yeah. And it had these blue, like, crystals. And I was like, this is like magic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crystal pervitals.

Yeah. And those were for other things, too. Like, because there was a card where it would, like, generate another creature, but you wouldn't have a card for it, so you'd use, like, these little, they were like marbles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. But the starter set, it promised, it guaranteed that you would get one rare card in it. So I got a Royal Assassin.

Oh, Royal Assassin. And I got a Leviathan. Oh, I forgot about Leviathan. Leviathan was a giant whale. It was like a 10 out of 10 power. It was like the biggest, strongest card. So I was like this little kid, like, and I think the set, the starter set was probably like $50 or something.

It was like a big fucking deal. But when you're guaranteed to get like rare cards or something. It was like a big fucking deal. But when you're guaranteed to get rare cards, I was like, oh, I'm in. Like, I've got a Royal Assassin and you don't? I love this shit. And then we got into the value of the cards, getting a Black Lotus. I mean, a Black Lotus. Did you have a Black Lotus? No.

Monetarily, you're saying? Yes. I mean, Black Lotus is worth like $500, right? I think Black Lotus is worth like $5,000. Yeah. Well, like a first edition beta, alpha. Alpha, yeah, yeah. So there was like different – what was it called?

Expansion packs. It was alpha, beta, the dark. Oh, I remember the dark. Chronicles of Arabia or some shit like that. Antiquities, Arabian Nights. So nerdy, bro. I'm out-nerded on my on my own ice age and then fourth edition was just like the standard right and then they just came out with yeah then they were like we're

gonna stop naming them cool things we're just called like this is the fourth fourth one because we we got into it like right around then right like because we we played with fourth edition and ice age yeah arabian knights and antiquities were like these old cards that we couldn't find or get our hands on again you couldn't just order them on the, I think you could order them from a catalog. We would get them for Christmas. Yeah. Like we would get the rare cards worth like $100 for Christmas.

So you're saying for Christmas, magic was a, it lasted years, your fascination with magic. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember there was a time, I think we were down the Jersey Shore like with friends, not like partying, like with family, not with friends. And we were playing it.

And I was like, I said this out loud I cannot envision a time when I will not play magic I was like I think I'll do this for the rest of my life like two years later we're drinking yeah basically we found booze that's really the the death of like nerd is sex and drug and and drinking I wish I could keep up with I wish I kept up with it enough because like I think you can play it online now and like I try and figure it out and I can't I would love to get some magic cards and play my first magic game with you guys I wonder if I could even like still

we'll go on game time I wonder if I could play like if I could just pick it back up and remember all the rules and shit tapping your mana that was the funniest thing too is in order to like to summon your cards you had to do something called tap your mana right i guess and i guess looking back on it means like tap into like the source of whatever yes yeah it was just like a term of the game right just like i don't know it's called tapping and the way you did that is you turned your card sideways okay and that meant like you played it and everybody can see oh that's been

played and he was like explaining to me and my friends how to play he's like all right tap your mana and my friend went tapped it and it was like idiot like no that means turn it sideways it was like magic games like in school where someone would fucking pull something and everyone it's like a rap battle reaction oh yeah yeah when you when you when you drop like a royal assail lord of the pit yeah but you have like with these monster ones that was like you are fucked martin stromgold where you could drop like a hundred damage on on one turn yeah yeah it was when they came out with the legends and for some reason the card was like gold colored and you needed multiple lands to play dual lands remember that too yeah yeah that definitely there

was there was some like i just dropped my dick on the table type thing replaced entirely by call of duty for me and that whenever we had real life arguments, real life beef with one another as kids, it was 1v1 on Rust. And that was the map that you would all go to. And I know people that are listening to this that are my age understand this. It was like we used to all join the same lobby and join as spectators and not even play and watch the 1v1 happen. Wow. From the same party with the people and then afterwards like that's how beef was settled it was like you fucking went 1v1 sometimes if it was like serious really serious you had to use sniper rifles and you had to do no scopes and

quick quick scopes only and i remember sometimes like there was these two kids mike and kyle and kyle was being an asshole and mike fucking took him to the took him to rust and he destroyed him and it was like tough seeing him in school bro you fucking but see were you playing like that's it for you you got no clout no scoped in the head times last night you're done i feel like we were just like playing each other playing like well we didn't have the online like right but did Right, but did you play with a lot of kids at school? I was playing mostly with you, cousins, You mean Magic?

Yeah, no, it was just you guys. So it wasn't extended, because it's just like, we were the nerds, and all the jocks were like, what the fuck are you doing hiding that from kids at school? Like, oh, I don't play Magic. I don't think I was hiding it, per se, but it was just like, do my nerd shit with like my brother and my cousins and i play like basketball and baseball with my friends so another thing that

relates to this podcast and some consider nerdy that i know you guys weren't too is professional wrestling oh yeah wwf attitude era when you guys are watching the attitude era it's at its height and now i always like talking to people about this because i wasn't really born yet for the attitude era came in at the tail end of it what was that like i had a friend like pop culture seventh grade this is for me i had a friend alex popolardi and he had an older brother who was he was much older it was like a weird dynamics his brother was like 30 something at the time and he his brother got him into wrestling and then you got me into wrestling right i was like yeah that was that was the first thing that i that was the first time the tables

had turned kind of so alex popularity's over my house once and he puts on um i guess it was nitro i think it was wcw okay and it was something it was either i think it was scott hall turning or coming back or something. Was there a big moment with Scott Hall? He had a million absences due to drugs in the 90s, so I assume it's one of his returns. Right. I think it was a return of Scott Hall or maybe when Hogan went Hollywood Hogan or the Wolfpack,

something big happened at WCW. And I remember Al being like, at my house, like, holy shit. And I was kind of making fun of him but i also was like wow what is that it really does turn and heal it might have been it might have been that so whatever it may be he was freaking out and i was like making fun of him but i was jealous i was like what is that about yeah and also i had just moved to this uh we had just moved to pelham where we were living and i didn't have many friends yet so it was like this guy's cool i don't want to be friends with him i'm gonna like get down with what he's

down with and then like monday night raw just like that was it was perfect timing because it was austin and vince and and the rock started cooking and like uh i started to really fall in love with the storylines and that's your guy did you have have a guy? I liked X-Pac a lot. Oh, wow. Yeah, I was a big DX guy, and then specifically X-Pac. I liked the high-flying type shit. In hindsight, X-Pac's...

Oh, I love X-Pac. It's weird to be your guy. I've always been, even with the Mets, even with my sports teams, I always pick quirky guys as my guys. I loved Austin, and I loved watching Kane and Undertaker, but that's – I've always been – even with the Mets, even with my sports scenes, I always pick quirky guys as my guys. I mean I loved Austin and I loved watching Kane and Undertaker, but my guy was X-Pac for whatever reason. He was one of my guys early, but when he – before he was X-Pac because I wasn't allowed to watch wrestling. Yeah.

Like when I was really little, I'm talking two and three years old, I wanted to watch wrestling with my brother, and my mom was like, absolutely not. It's the attitude I risk going on right now. It was like tits. Correct. Blood in every match. Right. Mae Young giving birth to hands. And my brother said, what if I just showed him, like,

the stuff that I watched, Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, like, kind of over the top. We talk about it as the occupational gimmick era, where it was, like, the repo man, big boss man. Everyone just had a job as their like uh irs the tax guy tax guy yeah brutus the barber beefcake gave people haircuts everyone learned to trade milk man yes um and xbox had a big feud with razor ramon then as the one two three kids so i loved xbox because he looked like the tiniest guy and then you meet

xbox in real life and he's like over six feet tall and you're like oh my god everyone in this he really did look i didn't realize he was actually a small guy yeah no everyone else was just massive um did you have a guy as far as wrestling by i think the most passion i had was for the rock yeah okay so you went rock over austin yeah i mean i loved austin too. Yeah. But if I had to like – I just remember a time when – I can't remember what it was. And I think I was in college and he – and Rock came out and was wearing dress shoes for some reason. And he did the rock bottom and instead of running all the way, he slid across the mat. And I was just like that was the coolest thing I've ever seen. But I did like Austin too.

It's insane that the two of them co-existed at the same time. Because in the wrestling industry, they are two once-in-a-lifetime generational talents. Well, that's why the attitude is... And they were able to juggle it. You had those two. And Triple H being the best villain

of all time. And Rock and Austin just clicked so perfectly in the promos, in the ring. Everything they did together, like no two human beings on this planet in any form of art have the same chemistry. Right. Uncle Steve Austin and Dwayne the Rock Johnson have. They just don't.

I mean when you run down the list of like – so then Triple H, like Undertaker, Kane. Then you have the underdog story of Mankind. Mankind is second tier. I mean when Mankind won the title and like everybody came out and he was being hoisted around, I was ready to cry. It's one of the greatest moments. In human history. Remember? Human history.

Paul Bearer. I mean, the rope dog Jesse James and the badass Billy Gunn. And then on commentary, you've got Jerry the King Lawler and Jim Ross. Puppies. Remember? And that's the other thing. For me, I'm seeing tits and th! Remember? And that's the other thing, but I mean, that's, for me, I'm seeing like,

you know, tits and thongs and stuff like that for the first time, you know? The only place I could get naked chicks was 1101

on Monday Night Raw, like right as they were going to like La Femme Nikita on USA, like some, like Jacqueline with like flasher tits or something like that.

And you also had a big box of porn up in your room. It was a big box of porn up in your room it was a big box of like Playboys and box of porn and we had and grandma

naturally grandma had a cheater box that you could just get the Spice Channel on yep Spice Channel did you get pay-per-views on that too?

look at that that's a fucking nerd brain right there to like get porn what about wrestling let me tell you when I flipped on the Spice Channel

like just stumbled across it for the first time it was like a QVC type of show and they were selling sex toys Let me tell you, when I flipped on the Spice channel, just stumbled across it for the first time, it was like a QVC type of show, and they were selling sex toys. Oh, shit. And it was like a tongue. It would just wave, and I was like, what is this? What are we?

Whatever. I changed the channel. And then the next time I turned it on, it was a bride getting fucked by the best man at a wedding. And you were like, oh, the tongue. The tongue. Now I get it. Now I get it. ride getting fucked by like the best man like at a wedding and you're like oh the tongue now i get it okay now i get it how about in in wrestling when um kurt angle was like one of the the best villains or best heels of all time and then 9-11 happened and they had to immediately flip him to a face and have him win as the because he was his whole thing was american hero and everybody hated him and how about this uh wwf smackdown was the first mass gathering of Americans after 9-11.

How about that? It's one of the craziest facts in the world, but it's true. By the way, it was like the next day and Vince was like, I'm not fucking. Oh, yeah, because I think football games are canceled, right? Yeah. Yo. They canceled everything, I believe. In general, wrestling going from Monday night to thenursday night and then to sunday night heat

having it three times a week like that was no off that heat was trash sunday heat sucked but it was always mad but you always tuned in you're like maybe this time it'll be good yes and it's like it was only like an hour right it was like from seven to eight or something like that thing is they used to pre-tape it before raw so they would use all the people that weren't going to be used on raw so you're seeing job- But sometimes they would like set up a storyline or something. They did halftime heat on the Super Bowl. Good thing. Empty arena match during halftime of the Super Bowl.

The Rock versus Mankind. The attitude era with the strides they took going from, like I just said, to the three times a week, adding the hardcore belt was absolutely incredible. That was the 24-7? Yeah. Crash Holly, Hardcore Holly. They just sort of brought that back in a weird way. I've been calling for them to bring it back forever because it was the coolest thing back then.

Bring a ref. And now I'm like, I want to get a notification on my phone. Somebody won. Now live. Yeah. We're in an airport. Yeah, because you could do it like truly 24-7 now. And they brought it back.

Facebook Live. It's an ugly title. They're not calling it the hardcore title. I saw you tweet about this. The belt itself looks gross, right? Disgusting. And they have not had one defense of it not on television. And I'm like, what are you guys doing?

What's it called? The 24-7 title. 24-7 belt. Okay, yeah. I guess hardcore. I don't know. It's gotten so family friendly now. They're ridiculous backstage.

Yeah. Like, you know, crazy. One of the Godfather's hoes won it once. mean the whole train the whole train was one of the crazy those were actual like horrors right like i don't think those are like acting girls probably somebody like deep throat like something huge uh-huh i mean this is we were watching porn. Yeah, I mean – They truly pushed boundaries back then. And we talk about it, and WWE sucks their own dick about the Attitude Era all the time. It's like people make the joke, what if HBO never made another show after The Sopranos and they just made documentaries about how great The Sopranos was? That's kind of what WWE does with the Attitude Era.

But they like – But they just – they should because it was that good. They actually pushed the boundaries of what was allowed and what wasn't. Absolutely. Language, sex, violence. DX in general. Suck it. You guys ever get in trouble due to DX related chop? Yeah, because I got detention

in fourth grade telling my friend Chris Magendaro to suck it. I don't think I even comprehended that. You're just running around telling everyone to suck your dick. Well, I definitely didn't comprehend it because I once went to my mom when DX put out a new shirt. Because DX came back by the time I was a kid in 2006.

And DX put out a shirt that said, in green spray paint, Vince loves, and then it was like a big rooster. And I knew what it meant, but I thought it was just like, he's like a chicken. I knew the joke was he loves cock. Right.

So I went up to my mom. I said, Mom, can I buy the new DX shirt? She knew they were kind of racy already. Yeah. She said, what does it say? And I said, this is Vince loves cock. And now this is 2006. So I'm eight years old.

And she was immediately absolutely not like wouldn't even tell me what it meant. Because I was like, what does it mean then? And, yeah, she did not let't even tell me what it meant. Because I was like, what does it mean then? And, yeah, she did not let me get the Vince Loves Cock shirt. I got to imagine now as a parent, but, like, you know, a parent of young kids, I'm pretty protective over what they watch. But I guess, like, by the time they're 13, I'm going to do whatever. Let me get the regular shirt, just the gray D-Generation X logo. And then on the back it said, we got two words for you, suck it. That whole, I mean, DX in general, from the Road Dogg, Jesse James, the Badass Billy Gunn, like, performance, the suck it chop.

The song? The song? Like, break it down. John Thompson, the WWE guy, being like, all right, Rage at the Machine is super popular right now. Yes, like they just jacked that whole existence. How about when Billy Gunn just became Mr. Ass? And it was literally about

his butt. He had to kiss his ass. Once again, my brother in the Attitude Era is going to a show and loves DX and loves Billy Gunn and my dad gave him, you know, fucking 40 bucks for a souvenir and says, no matter what just don't get the shirt. This is Mr. Ass.

My brother gets the shirt. This is Mr. Ass. And he was sleeping over his friend's house that night. So he said, this is an all-time story in the Fox family. So he comes. He gets dropped off the next morning. And my dad is outside mowing the lawn as he's getting dropped off. My brother gets out of the car in the Mr. Ass T-shirt.

My dad just goes. Tell him he chops it up. He goes, come here. My brother goes over there. He says, take it off. My brother gets out of the car in the Mr. Ass t-shirt. My dad just goes, he goes, come here. My brother goes over there. He says, take it off. My dad grabs it by the collar and just puts his foot through the entire shirt, rips it in half, throws it in the garbage. My brother's got no shirt on. He says,

go in the house. That was it. It wasn't getting yelled at. I told you not to, and now I'm going to demolish it. In front of him, demolished it, threw it in the trash can, and that was that for Mr. S. I'm sure a thousand kids have that. What was the match where Rock beat Mankind over the head with a chair? The 45 times.

It was the I Quit match. And then I think he was supposed to be unconscious, and they pumped it in or something like that. Wasn't it like he never said I Quit? Yeah. Wasn't that the twist? You put the mic, and all of a sudden you heard i quit i quit i quit that was the big twist and it was the match focused on the most in behind the mat the wrestling documentary um i don't know if you guys have seen that it's like a very famous wrestling documentary because it shows that it

shows brett it shows terry funk it shows like a bunch of people i may have seen a part of it because i think there's some a time where mick fo is like, go hard. Yeah. But then you see, I don't care what that chair is made of. I don't care if it's actually made of tinfoil. The way any object hit that guy's head that many times. Everyone talks about hell in a cell, but that was just repeated bashing of your skull. It's one of the craziest, most unnecessary things that's ever happened. That's The Rock. Like, right now, he's, like, America's sweetheart.

Did he apologize for it? No, he never apologized. I think Mick has said that. I think I read the book, and he was like, Rock never apologized, and that rubbed me the wrong way. And then, like, he really did. Wait, wait. Why?

I mean, apologize. I mean, that was the math. It was, but just, like. Mick Foley, you know, I thought Mick Foley was always like, I'm down to do this. I think he was, and then I think it got to a point where it was, but was Mick Foley surprised? I thought Mick Foley was always like, I'm down to do this. I think he was, and then I think it got to a point where it was like the 21st chair shot to the head, and they were like, we put eight on the call sheet. So it was off script.

I think it might have been a little excessive. By the way, The Rock in that match is wearing a full jumpsuit, and he did that for a little bit because he got breast reduction surgery. People don't talk about that. Wow. If Dwayane can do it i'm gonna do it too get the ronnie from the jersey shore just like yeah i need everything except the actual abs muscles so the abs stick out there um other than this though so we got

wrestling we got magic we got pc games we got comics what else are you guys into that's nerdy because eventually i guess sega has to come into the fold right yeah but but but i'm a very you know like like like star trek and star wars like i'm a nintendo guy over sega we played i played sonic i mean again we had we had every fucking i had sega cd sega i did i had saturn i think i did dreamcast for a second we did gamecube of those systems there were until like this year to be honest honest with you? Sega CD was, I mean, because that was the first CDs. Sega put out so many. Playing on like a disc was wild. Sewer Shark, remember that game?

Yeah. That was like the first, because that had like real footage almost because it was CD-ROM. That was a trip. PlayStation 1, when that dropped, the game it came with, where you were in like that haunted house with that girl, and you could like make decisions. That was another thing. You put like a piece of paper in a bowl, and a clue popped up. PS1 was big for me, too, because that was like...

Actually, that's where I checked out, on video games. It was all passed down from my brother. So that was my first, like, oh, this feels real. It was like Crash Bandicoot was on that. What was SSX on? The snowboarding game. PS1, I think. I thought that was a Nintendo thing.

No? We definitely played some sort of SSX Tricky on, I think on GameCube. We had like a small CD. I know I had one of those for PS1, one of the SSX games. Resident Evil was big for PS1. That was huge. Resident Evil 4. So we got PS1, and then that's kind of where I fell off. But my friends kept on.

How old are you then? Going into high school maybe? Yeah, probably. My friends keep up with like PS2 and so on. So like I remember grabbing like playing Twisted Metal. Oh, yeah. I remember playing Grand Theft Auto 1, 2, 3, you know, Liberty City or Vice City, whatever it was. And what was the other one i played yeah resident evil

resident evil like four whatever there was one that was like you're in a horror movie the whole time it was like terrifying so i would keep up like when i would go to my friends houses and play and shit like that but i but n64 for me was like i think i think we played um nba jam on genesis yes i think that was the the one of the games we played a lot. And Sonic, yeah. Yeah, and Sonic, for sure. But we were a Nintendo household. My grandma getting N64 early was like, all my friends came to my place to play N64. Super Mario 3

was an event. That was a big one. And you kind of fall off the nerd stuff. Do you? Brendan? For the people listening at home, sometimes I forget that. No, I mean, I think we pick it up here and there. Like, I got into Battle of the Star Galactica, and he didn't. And are you, like, shamelessly into this? Or are you in high school watching that, like, hiding it from people?

Yeah, I'm probably not, like, telling. Nerds just put shit in the closet, and we're like, oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, not embarrassed about it, but, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean like not embarrassed about it, but yeah, like definitely not like telling everybody on the basketball team. Right. That's why it was, you know,

he always, he was yelling at me because I wasn't into game of Thrones early on and I had to binge it all. And he was like, this doesn't make sense. Two fucking biggest nerds. I know you guys are going to love this shit. I promise you,

man. Yeah. How about this? I think this was when I did all on my own. Pogs. Oh shit. Yeah. did you do pogs uh very very briefly because obviously i just had some from my brother and sister but the stupid it's like some x-men ones what was the thing you would stack and then you would you would stack a bunch you would throw one at it you'd throw a slammer which was like it started out big one yeah it started out as like it was also just a round chip.

But rather than being like cardboard, it was like plastic or metal. Yeah. And then they just got bigger and bigger and crazier. I had a coffin. I had a metal coffin with a skull hologram in the front of it. And it was like a paperweight. It was like something you would put on your desk. You just smash these bottle caps and like, yeah, they flipped over. You like got to keep them. That was the game. So it was like something you would put on your desk. You just smash these bottle caps and like,

yeah, they flipped over. You like got to keep them. That was the game. So it was like, you put your pogs up, I put mine up. You smash them.

These ones flip over. I get to keep them. Those ones flip over, you get to keep them. I've never liked any games like that where you're like putting your own shit on the line. Well, you could play like Baxi's

or you could play like, you know, for keeps. There was that and like, I feel like that's the reason I didn't get into Pokemon because the whole thing

about Pokemon is like, if I beat you, you lose them. I'm like, fuck that, I'm not for keeps. There was that. And like, I feel like that's the reason I didn't get into Pokemon. Because the whole thing about Pokemon is like, if I beat you, I keep your cards. You lose them. Yeah. Fuck that. I'm not doing that. There was some pogs. Like, it was when I was an eight ball.

I hated my, I remember my friends used to bring their, their like, title belts, like their toy title belts to school. Yeah. And we would have someone at lunch and they would bring their action figures. I was like, I'm not bringing my fucking shit. It's my shit. You could do that with magic though. It was called ante.

You could, you could like put a card up. Yeah. Yeah. Like we'll play it for this royal assassin. And then like I would win it and my mom would You could do that with magic though. It was called ante. You could like put a card up. Yeah. Yeah like we'll play for this royal assassin. And then like I would win it and my mom would be

like that's his. Give that back. You can't gamble with your little brother. So if we skip forward to present day.

What nerdy shit from now are you guys fucking with because I sort of know from being in the office with you guys but like Infinity War I feel

like was huge in bringing you back to some of this shit. For sure. Definitely. How did that get you? You were just like – Because you're not really as into all the movies. I'm really not.

I'm still not. Like Infinity War was really, really good and I went back to watch some. And I still – even though – I just feel like comic book movies are just very formulaic and that just continues to bother me where it's just like i know exactly what's gonna happen here they're still fun and they're well done i like which ones did you like when you went back the first guardians yeah i was stunned i mean remember that rundown we're making fun of you and then i watched it and and i really liked that one i like downy as you know iron man's cool um i went back and watched captain america after end game i liked some of that um but but that's i don't know that's right i just find it hard to like i'm gonna watch sorry you're star wars guy at all yeah yeah yeah i mean the new

movies um yeah i mean i've seen them i will definitely watch them i probably will wait for them to like be on demand sort of thing yeah i'm itching to go see godzilla right now i want to see that like monster movies like that um are you a star wars guy yeah um but i don't really like the new stuff it's like it's like original yeah you know the original trilogy i didn't really like the prequels you like the spinoffs the new one the new spinoffs rogue one and solo uh i haven't seen solo i haven't seen solo to be honest i think rogue one's where the planet blows up right yeah so it's just like this is not going to affect any more storylines one is where they they explain the death star loophole, right?

Rogue One they kind of like recorrect, which I love. Rogue One is the kind of movie for me where I was like, they just made the original Star Wars trilogy better like 40 years after that by being like, hey, that little hole in the Death Star isn't like just a hole in the Death Star for no reason. They're like, it was a fucking rebel sabotage. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool.

I like that stuff better because I think, like, the original storyline of, like, Luke Skywalker coming up and the reveal of Darth Vader, spoiler alert, and then, like, the culmination of it,

it's like, this is self-contained. Yes, we know things go on. Yes, we know, like, Han and Leia have children, but it's like, and then it kind of, like, re-perpetuates

over and over again. But that's hard. It's hard to write that story, like, and make it better and make it good. But when you go into it, like, and then it kind of like re-perpetuates over and over again. But that's hard. It's hard to write that story and make it better and make it good. But when you go into it, like when you do like Star Wars 2 1⁄2 or something like that, it's like a spinoff. That's where I feel like a great story can be told. And of course the prequels and the sequels could have been good. And a lot of people think that they are. I just didn't – The prequels are shit. I. And a lot of people think that they are. I just didn't have a really good look.

The prequels are shit. I'll be the first one to admit that. I always text Bob this. It's not even a prequel, but I was watching the Ewoks the other day, and I was like, this looks terrible. I was like, I fondly remember that. I was like, do people like the Ewoks, or do they think that they're trash? And I always ask Bob, do people like Jar Jar Binks? Do people like Ewoks?

Do people like this? Do people like that? The Ewoks is like a 50-50 hardcore split. Like, you either fucking hate those things or you fucking love them. I love them. They're cute as shit. Little teddy bears. My nephew loves them.

That makes me love them. Pure nostalgia for that. The new trilogy for me is, it feels like it's my trilogy. I did a podcast recently with this guy, Ken Napsok, who covers Star Wars professionally. And I basically told him like i saw revenge of the sith in theaters in 2005 but that was like the only other star wars movie i did see in theaters so this feels like it's like i get to be a part of the star wars craze that i've been fucking studying my whole life like the 70s star wars craze like it feels like i get to be the

release you get to do the review you get to go to star wars celebration and watch trailers like it's crazy that i get to watch a trailer and be like oh this is coming out yeah in december we this is a difference because you've been looking back for your whole life on the rundown years ago with you guys and this was like i always made it a mental note because he said i want a star wars guy at barstool he's like nobody else has something they get to look forward to he said dave Dave, of course, being fucking Dave, is like, I look forward to the Super Bowl. And it's like, we know we're going to win the Super Bowl pretty much. Unless you're Clem and you think you're going to like The Last Jedi and then you watch and you hate it. That's got to be heartbreak.

But yeah, this new Star Wars trilogy feels like it's like my thing and that's why I'm so into it. It's weird. I wonder if the internet was around would the Darth Vader reveal hold up? Or would the internet have dissected that and been like, we see this coming from a mile away and hate it? It's not even the Darth Vader thing I think they would have hated. I think it's

the Emperor. I think everyone would have hated the Emperor in general because of fan theory culture in that I think everyone would be like, who's the Emperor? Who is he? Is he Luke's great-grandfather? Is he so-and-so? And it's the Night King. He doesn't have to be anybody.

It almost works better than the Night King, I feel like. Because it's like, the Emperor's only in two movies. They don't build him up for years. He's the big bad. And Darth Vader had to turn against him. He's literally the Emperor. He's the Emperor of the Universe. He's an evil guy. Because they kind of did that with Snoke, right?

They did it with Snoke. And they just were like, he's nobody. He's dead now. Yeah. They're like, he's just nobody. And they might correct that because the Emperor's coming back in 9. There's rumors that maybe the Emperor's spirit was in Snoke's body. It was like taking over his body or something.

If they do that, fine. But I just don't need everyone to be everyone. The stuff I like about the new Star Wars movies are the little things. I liked Kylo Ren's voice thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I liked when the first time the lightsaber had the sword. The broad sword? Yeah.

The little things like that or the double-sided one. That kind of stuff is what I find to be cool. The storylines are not as deep as you guys, so I'm like, whatever. This is the new girl. They're related, whatever. When the Sith had the double-sided one yeah yeah that was very cool yeah um so brendan for you obviously these marvel movies are like kind of like they are for me like the the recent crop the mcu is like did you ever imagine and i have to imagine the answer to this is no that we would be able to get movies as good as like the comics if not better in the 90s like were you thinking in the 90s like it'd be

awesome if they made this a movie yeah i don't know when it hit me but it was like there's a reason that these aren't being made and i think somewhere i read that they were like they visually can't make it look good enough and finally it caught up and like they can make it look good and then i remember seeing like i started to notice little things like you need a movie to to be good as like a movie and just have the super heroics part of the background like the fact that captain america very rarely has his mask on like he always has it on in the comic books and they're like that looks weird we need to show chris that pretty face yeah yeah like and you don't really see thor like you know he'll put his helmet on to flip it up when

he's like going into battle and be like oh now he's putting it on but like for the most part usually the costumes make you look corny right yes you know and that's forever the problem with superman it's ridiculous i'm like find a way to get the cape off him i don't know because and it's like i don't want that as a nerd like i love love it to be real and true. But I also want to get over that hump of being like nobody knows how to make this a good movie. And they always have the Superman problem in that he's like too overpowered. But I mean like I don't know. Thor is like really fucking strong. And they found a way to make him look – and it's not like because of a specific weakness.

They just figured him out. And they also fucking in Endgame – spoilers if you haven't seen Endgame. They just give Thor depression. And they're like he's overweight and he's depressed. Yeah. And even same figured him out. Spoilers, if you haven't seen Endgame, they just give Thor depression. And they're like, he's overweight and he's depressed. And even the same thing with when the Hulk, you know, he can't turn into the Hulk and it's like, now we have a little loophole. Now we have a weakness. In Infinity War, they basically brought over Ragnarok to Infinity War.

They made Thor as powerful as Thor could possibly be. Thor, like, even throws Stormbreaker against the power of all six Infinity Stones and wins, basically. He hits Thanos. He does what he was intending to do. He just doesn't kill him.

The next movie, they just nerf him. They're like, man, okay, we made him too powerful. Let's bring him back down. And I saw the writers were talking about what-if comics. And what-if comics were awesome. What-if this, that, like ridiculous shit. And they're like, we love what-if comics. So for Endgame, we said, what if his storyline is a what-if comic?

And it's what if Thor got fat and depressed after he did that? I love the what-if. That's a great throwback. So it's like that almost made it better for me because after Endgame, the one thing I had an issue with was I wish he wasn't fat the whole time. Yeah, me too. It's like that final battle when we see all of the Avengers, the original six together, that one final time, like Thor's just fat for it. Especially when they were doing time travel stuff. Couldn't they have done something like he time traveled when he came back he was

both they mjolnir and the axe like it just like laser through him and he's got abs again i thought they set up for it when they did the ant-man time travel test when they sent time through scott instead of oh yeah yeah i was like i thought they would be like, oh, wait, one last thing we forgot. Hook him up with some apps. Bring Thor from Infinity War back. Yeah, yeah. That was my thing. I was saying that scene where he's drunk

and they're playing video games, it was too funny. It was very well done. It was very funny, but I was like, I want a badass shot. The first half of Endgame, I'm like, is this a comedy? I'm like, we to get back to it.

And then they do, and it kills it. And then they start fucking tearing every part of you out of your body, just through pure emotion. I was sobbing that day. For so long, it was crazy. That's also an improv line from Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, because that's what he says in real life, right? I'm very grateful for

Infinity War, because it did kind of bring me back to nerd roots. I don't know what else to go into next. But for me, the nerd things that continued, I would say I like the Star Treks. I like Chris Pine. I like What's-His-Face being Spock. I'm going to throw Lost in there as nerd culture. I think so. I think Lost was very –

I'm ready for a Lost reboot. Or just a relaunch from season four on. Recast. I don't care. Don't bring anybody back. I would actually like that. Let's do it again. Can I get a series of Lost books?

I would like that. I would fuck with that. If somebody wrote that, I would read those books. I got into Lost super late. I got into Lost when I was in high school. It was already off the air. It was on Netflix. And I watched.

I binged the whole thing in like two or three weeks. It was like the craziest binge I've ever done. I still think, man. I like the ending. Oh, wow. And I think it's because I binged it. thing in like two or three weeks like the craziest binge i've ever i still think man i like the ending oh wow and and i think it's because i binged it i was gonna say that because i didn't have the emotional attachment week to week i think it's the same thing with thrones why i like the final season we were just talking about this this week differently and like it was right on the there wasn't reddit but there was like lost theories dot dot net or something and yeah and so there was enough culture of theories and symbolism that it built

up so high to only be let down. And the writer's strike fucked them. The behind the scenes story of... Have you ever read the book The Revolution Was Televised? No. Alan Sepinwall wrote it. It's awesome. It's just the behind the scenes of Lost, Breaking Bad, Sopranos, The Wire,

The Shield, a whole bunch of things. The story going on behind the scenes of Lost is just fucking incredible. But that was – I mean that was perfect storytelling. The flashbacks, the eventual flash forwards, and the way you learned about every single character and their backstory while also being on the island is perfect storytelling. Ben Linus is like one of the greatest characters of all time. And they basically cut his balls off. I was going to say, and that didn't end well either. It sort of did. Yeah, I mean he was like

the most... Ben Linus, John Locke is like an all-time television character. The fucking dog. Desmond Hume, Michael Faraday, the constant, Penny. These are like all philosophers or writers. Yes. And like there are times I didn't realize it and then I'll like stumble across that author somehow and I'm like, oh, that's why they called him that. And there are times I didn't realize it and then I'll stumble across that.

And you're like, oh, that's why they called him that. And the way that show unfolded, obviously until the end because a lot of people disliked the end, but the way it just like, you think it couldn't get crazier

and then it just fucking gets crazier. I mean, we have to go back. And Dharma comes in. Come on. Yeah, we have to go back. When you learn that Jack is off the island and it's the future,

that I think is the greatest reveal uh plot twist ever no show was ever better at like big reveals than lost because every episode it felt like you had one and they had that noise oh my god yeah yeah it's like what the fuck so uh and then you know what else i would i would say um carried carry me through nerddom a little bit older? Cloverfield. Oh, shit. Cloverfield was a big one. That was a huge letdown.

I love that. Oh, you don't like Cloverfield? Well, the movie's fine, but that was like a lot of, they did such viral marketing about where the monster came from and all that shit. They created MySpace pages for the characters before the movie came out, and there was supposedly hints to it. If you left one of the websites up long enough like you would hear a roar like there was all these like hidden stuff but then that stuff didn't it was just i mean it was just a

monster it was just you know it's a found footage monster movie yeah and it's one of my favorites ever to be honest with you like as far as monster movie goes monster movies go cloverfield is my number one i love it and 10 cloverfield Lane I think might even be better. That's the one, like John Goodman in the bunker. I don't think I ever like – I saw parts that were like – John Goodman should have won a fucking Oscar for that movie. He was like super creepy, right? Yeah.

He was awesome. And then they put out The Cloverfield Paradox after the Super Bowl on Netflix. And I was never more excited for anything. Wasn't that super trash? They run the commercial and they're like, right after the game, the new fucking Clo fucking cloverfield is out and my mind blown it was one of the worst movies yeah i think i remember you telling me that yeah they didn't even name the movie they didn't name it cloverfield for like a long time it was advertised as the date i think yeah it's like there was no there's no title yeah it was the the statue of liberty without the head yes yeah yeah yes um but

they are making like a true Cloverfield sequel right now. Okay. To the first monster movie. In found footage type of thing or an actual movie? I think it might be an actual movie. Cloverfield is wild, though, because there were theories on that before it came out. Yeah. Before it came out, there's no backstory.

It's not a sequel to anything else. It's just from the marketing. That marketer must have got paid. I think that's the brainchild of J.J. Abrams. Yeah, that's when he came on the scene, right? He's one of the smartest creators of our time. He was involved in Lost, too. Everything J.J. touches, I love.

And then he did Star Wars, right? He did Star Wars. He did Star Trek. He did Super 8. He brought back Mission Impossible when that looked like it was on Death's Door. His Mission Impossible with Philip Seymour Hoffman is still like one of the best action movies ever made. JJ is just – I would kiss that man on the lips if I ever saw him in person. I just would.

And then Thrones. And Thrones I think was nerd culture now. What's next though? What can I get into now? Thrones prequels are going to be coming up obviously. The MCU will continue. X-Men are going to be coming into the mcu so maybe what else though is there is there another like what's another like is there a game of thrones on the horizon or something you know like game of thrones that like the books are already written or the comic is already there

or the the there's got to be like you know they plan these things that two or three years out like there's probably somebody digging for it now honestly i think it'd be interesting if they could take some of this like game of thrones set the the table for like if this universe is created like those books were sitting there and they were successful books but then they were like okay we're gonna take this and we're gonna adapt this i mean there's a story it's not nearly as like in depth as what george rr martin did. But King's Quest has a whole storyline. Oh, shit. Should we start with Gwydion and Daventry?

Yeah, you know? I mean, because it's like, this is how... Make it a little darker. It basically starts... The first two are just... King Graham, he's like a knight. It's like Sir Graham. He has to like...

The first one is very basic. It's like he has to defeat an ogre and dragon, and he becomes king. King's Quest 2, he saves the damsel in distress very like still very basic and she becomes the queen king's quest 3 if you were playing it directly it would be really confusing because it's like now you're this boy in this different country and it like doesn't make any sense um his name is gwydion he escapes he has to stow away on a pirate ship and he gets to daventry he has to slay the dragon and he finds out he is the son of

Prince Alexander. He has to save the princess Rosella, who is his sister and they're reunited after, because he's been gone for like 17 years. And, you know, so it's like it starts to tell a real story here. And as they reunite, King Graham

basically has a heart attack and that's the end of king's quest 3 and it's the beginning of king's quest 4 where rosella now you become rosella you're the that's the the protagonist and that she has to go to uh you know a magical fairy transports her somewhere else where she has to get the magical fruit but she has to like solve all these other things crazy that they actually like thought about this this much and it wasn't just like oh let's put out a fucking computer game to make a few bucks like seems like there was like yeah i wonder when they really there were stories from game to game yeah well it's like the marvel movies where like i didn't realize that like they were setting

like yeah like when they were making like the first captain america they were like we should put an infinity stone in here we shouldn't call it an infinity stone but we should put an Infinity Stone in here. We shouldn't call it an Infinity Stone, but we should put it in here. Smart. Set the table for it. And then from there, the brother of the wizard that Alexander kills in King's Quest 3 kidnaps the whole family in King's Quest 5. What was his name? Mordak. Yeah. And then you're King Graham again.

That's such a Dungeons and Dragons thing. Mordak. Yeah again and you have to go back and then in that you encounter this princess who is being held captive by Mordak and in 6 you're back to Alexander because he fell in love with her and he's trying to go to her enchanted

island and then they make 7 and it's completely trash and that's where it ends but I'm just like if you just took that as the backdrop because you just need it seems like you just

need some framework and then you need good writing to adapt it but I'm like you couldn't you couldn't you couldn't roll out

a show called Daventry and have it be like based in all the King's Quest stuff and then all the all the Riverdale I mean riverdale shows that you can do anything yeah i'm actually about to he he pushed me so hard on riverdale for a

while him and logan and then i watched season one and i was like all right this is like stupid and then i now i've heard how fucking far-fetched has gotten in season three and now i'm like i want to watch riverdale should we start i need someone to binge with i can't i can't watch silly shit by myself yeah because i'm just sitting in the room and i'm like i could be i could be watching like a really good movie right now but if i sit down with you guys and we like can laugh about it and talk about it i'll do it i'm gonna come over with you and we're gonna watch riverdale season one of riverdale is decent season two and season three are like this is the's amazing that sounds great

I would rather that once I heard that Red Riding Hood is shooting people with bow and arrows and there's magic and shit I'm like okay now we're through this maybe the HBO series Watchmen as I'm saying that Damon Lindelof from Lost is involved he's doing it

my hatred is now towards Weiss and Benioff so I can forgive Lindelof. He also did Leftovers, which people love. Yes. Well, like person, like me. I'm the only person in the world who liked that. So yeah, he did that. I was writing like 3,000-word recaps for like 17 people.

If they ever made a true series out of Neil Gaiman's Sandman series – do you ever read Sandman? A little bit. Like Sandman, like the villain? No. Okay. Like completely, he made his own universe, basically. Oh, no, they didn't do that. If they ever made that, I'll bring in one of the comics.

You'll like it. Okay. If they ever did that, it's like very adult, very serious, very like death is involved. Did you watch Leftovers? No. Have you even tried it? No. Okay, you should do it.

Yeah. I'd probably like it. It's incredible. Like, it's really fucking incredible. I want to do that. I want to do West it. Yeah. I'd probably like it. It's incredible. It's really fucking incredible. I want to do that. I want to do Westworld as well. Yeah, Westworld I'm too stupid for. I think I'm probably too stupid for Westworld too.

But that trailer looks amazing. With Aaron Paul. Yeah. That looks really good. And if they can dumb it down, I think they're like, we were over it. Because I don't think anybody watched season two. The end of season one was confused everybody. Yeah.

And I don't think anybody watched season two. I need to do a supplementary reading. Yeah, but they shouldn't make it that hard. If Heidelberg claims he knows everything about Westworld, I don't think you do. Yeah, I need a coach for that show. Yeah, he's always like, I get everything that's going on. I like the soundtrack. Sometimes I listen to, they do cool piano versions of Hardship Box.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I watched like an explainer. It was like a 25-minute YouTube video where it explains what's really going on in Westworld. And even then it was difficult. So I'm like if you think you get it, you probably don't get it. You probably don't. I would love to. You can't make a show like that.

Yeah, it's too much. It's too hard. But I was like captivated by the one with Aaron Paul. I was like, what is this? And they were like Westworld. I was like, what is this? And they were like, Westworld. I was like, fuck. Now I'm worried that it's going to be too complicated and I'm not going to get it. There's a whole list of shows that I've never watched, though, that I want to get into.

Sopranos is a big one. Especially they filmed it in my neck of the woods in Jersey. I used to drive past, bought a Bing on my way to college every day. Really called Satin Dolls. Fun fact for you. The Wire. I've never seen it. Me neither.

Trent's favorite show ever. I'm out on it. Trent's trying to get down Season 2 is the worst thing ever Deadwood Did you guys do Deadwood Deadwood Early Deadwood

And tonight I think is the movie Tonight Just watch the movie Because I guarantee The movie will be awesome My brother told me It's my brother's favorite show

Of all time My brother said Maybe just watch the movie And treat the series As a big prequel Yeah Because I didn't finish it But season like

One and two of Deadwood is spectacular. It's just like a perfect Wild West, but not in a cheesy cowboy way. We're mining for gold. He and McShane are watching anything. Yeah, he's awesome. He calls everyone hoopoe heads. You hoopoe head cocksuckers. It's very dark and death and booze and sex and dirt and gold. It's really, really good.

Did you watch The Shield? No. The Shield gets no love. The Shield is like what led to The Sopranos slash Breaking Bad slash. Oh, wow. It is. Michael Chiklis, he's like the first antihero. And he almost goes like anti-antihero. Oh, wow. It is. Michael Chiklis is, it's like, he's like the first anti-hero. And he almost goes like anti-anti-hero.

He's like a bad guy. It's like a full like six or seven seasons. Really, really good. Did you guys do West Wing? Yes. He was a huge, him and my mom were huge West Wing. I love Aaron Sorkin. Yeah.

And I loved Newsroom, which I feel like people talk shit on Newsroom all of a sudden. Oh, yeah. I like Newsroom. No, even during, I feel like people talk shit on Newsroom all of a sudden. Oh, yeah. No, even during people talk shit on Newsroom, too, though. It was a love it or hate it sort of thing. Get out of here. I feel like the end wasn't super corny. When they played the song in the end, I wanted to smash the guitar over Jeff Daniels' head and set the room on fire. Super corny.

The Osama episode of the Newsroom, I would put up against any episode of television. And the Sorkinese shit is like, it's not real, and it might rub you the wrong way. But when it's clicking and everyone's talking and the camera's on, the way he just walks down the hall and the camera peels off to this guy and it's one fluid motion, it's sick. It's so cool. When it clicks, it clicks. I haven't thought of this in forever. I plagiarized the newsroom for an essay in high school.

We had to write an essay for like the fucking towns american legion remember you have to do like these essay contests and it wasn't even graded i was like i'm not fucking so in seventh grade i had my sister write it for me and uh i was like i was like can you just write this for me my sister's like absolutely not i was like i bet you can't do it in 10 minutes she's super competitive she's like i'll fucking write an essay in 10 minutes she did it and it won the contest i won 300 and i felt so bad about it i went to her and i was like you can take the money i've done i plagiarized one of his stories she was like fuck it and then we had to do it in high school and the topic from our american legion was why

is america the greatest country on earth and i just did the fucking jeff daniels monologue i don't even think i don't even think i changed anything. Just verbatim plagiarized. It's like the fucking movie that's coming out about the Beatles. They're like, when did you write that song? He's like,

I didn't write it. Everybody's like, that's a great concept by the way. Oh, I saw the movie by the way. It's a 10 out of 10. I love it.

It looked good. It looked really good. And there's a lot more to the concept that they don't show you in the trailer that's very interesting once the movie unfolds.

But I plagiarized that whole thing and my teacher was pissed. She was like, this doesn't follow my teacher was pissed. She was like, this doesn't follow the format at all. I was like, well, actually, that's how I feel about the country.

Because you know what? That's America where you can make your own choice. Yes. Speaking of the American Legion, I went, the nerdiest thing that's ever happened to me,

I went to Boys State. Do you ever know what that is? No. It was like, we were doing it for resume building, but some of the kids took it really seriously.

It's kind of like a week- exactly boy scout type of thing where you go and you like pretend you're like kind of in the rotc a little bit you have to like pair you like sleep it's like sleep away to put on a college application that's all but but that's what i thought of my friends did that but there were people who took it seriously and like it's like a week long but you elect like government there you have to do marching and like do like some basic training type shit but you're also doing like america history like treasury and yes yeah and i remember being like there was this kid kent who had this lisp and he was in like our bunk and he was just like you know this is just like so great this is just like america and like me and my friends were like we're trying to sneak booze

in and shit we were like fuck this place we were there for like a week and this kid would like take showers and he would just like like walk around naked with his dong out being like the maggot guy we're in yeah yeah yeah ken's big time maggot yeah that was the weirdest thing i did and then i won like an award at graduation from the american legion for that unreal yeah i'm big time nerd yeah deep down yeah obviously we learned that on this show. Thank you, guys. And you know what? Black Mirror, too.

The Black Mirror's gonna be my nerd itch. Yeah. Also, we just did, like, an hour and a half. I feel like we just scratched the surface. So you guys are gonna

have to come back on it I think we could do... We didn't really go into magic. Like, we could do another whole thing. And clearly, he can do some more King's Quest. We gotta get some magic cards.

I was just like, let me just recite the entire timeline of King's Quest here. We were talking about wrestling. I was just like, I'm going to just say this right now. I mean, I told you. I said originally we were going to do this at 1130. I was like, let's call it 11 because I think we're going to need some time here. Yeah, and you were right. So thank you guys for joining me, obviously.

Go listen to KFC Radio. Go listen to CCK. Hey, Bob, I'm proud of you, man. You're good at this. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. I mean, you did an hour of radio by yourself the other day, and you're getting very good at this, so well done.

I'm certainly trying. It's just an improvement that I'm able to do it.