My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 120 - 'THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER' EPISODE 3 RECAP WITH CLE‪‪M

Episode Date: April 5, 2021

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Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We are here to recap the third episode of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, starring none other than Baron Zemo. We told you, we were on Zemo Watch, we got the ski masks, I even flew with him. I'm on vacation right now, I'm in Malibu, I flew with these in my luggage. I said to my girlfriend, I was like, can you imagine that TSA opens it? They see all these purple ski masks in my luggage. They're going to think I'm trying to take this plane down. If at any point in this podcast era, that means the FBI or the CIA has found Rob Fox. Maybe the goddamn Avengers, Falcon Wintersays, would come in and just punch him in the mouth.

And I'll record the rest of the episode with them. But a little treat for everyone watching on YouTube. You guys got to subscribe to the YouTube. Give the thumbs up. I don't know what kind of stuff Bob Fox is going to cook in his brain. He has me wearing masks. I can't see a thing. I can't either.

We got to take these off. It's too foggy. It's too foggy. Oh, my God. That was as well thought out as we did. We haven't learned that you can't wear masks and glasses. We got to get that. I hear there's like an anti-fog spray for the glasses. We got to get that. I hear there's like an anti-fog spray for the glasses.

We got to get that. I'm sure Falcon has it in his goggles. That's what we're here to talk about. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, episode three. It went down this weekend. I just mentioned I'm on vacation. Clem has a jam-packed weekend himself. So we're on a bit of a tight schedule this week with Easter.

And he's got AJ's birthday this weekend too. Shout out, AJ. Happy birthday. Shout out, AJ. Our own little supervillain. Our own little Baron Zemo. Exactly. But what did you think of Falcon and the Winter Soldier episode three?

Just general thoughts to start off this podcast. So the big story coming into it leading up was how it was going to be a 50-minute runtime and all that stuff, which I think WandaVision was especially the case because we thought there was going to be all these Easter eggs and minute runtime and all that stuff, which I think WandaVision was especially the case because we thought there was gonna be all these, you know, Easter eggs and crazy reveals and all that stuff. But with Falcon and Winter Soldier, it just kind of hammers home how crazy it is to see these movies essentially being kind of shrunk

into like TV bite-sized form. And I, you know, I'm sure the listeners, the basement boys and girls will let us know if there's anything like this, but I feel like it's not, I can't think of an example of where you have these movie characters who then go into a TV show. And then I can't imagine that. I don't remember anything like that in general, let alone where it then seems like a mini movie. And I think it's part of the streaming and obviously the way Disney owns all this, it's such a massive company that can do something like that.

But this episode was, I mean, just the visuals and everything was just so cool. And it felt like deep, man. There was a lot of depth to everything. So I thought it was sweet. I thought it was great. I loved it. I thought, I mean, when you said that, the movie characters going into TV, the first thing that comes to mind, and it's different, is Star Trek. Like TV characters going into movies.

It's the opposite. But here they're like literally giving us A-list movie stars at this point, I would say, like Sebastian Stan and Anthony Mackie. Everyone knows who they are. If you're an Avenger, you're well known. And we get them for 50 minutes. We get to flesh out those characters more than ever, especially a character like Baron Zemo, who we got a little bit of in Civil War, right? We got like he was making the team break up the whole time. He was leading them in the right directions. This episode, we saw probably more of him than we saw in that whole movie and he stole the show every scene he was in i thought baron zemo was fantastic

what a fucking the it's the zemo heist that's basically what it is he iced the shit out of it um i'm telling you bob you know how i get with these villains i'm starting to fall in love with zemo and i know i'm not alone i know know based on our mentions that we both are getting tagged on, I'm not alone. I'm falling for fucking Zemo right now. Even I'm falling for Zemo, bro. Even I'm falling for Zemo, the biggest cap guy in the world. I'm like, fuck, I would be right there with Bucky breaking him out of that prison. Let's get right into the episode. Let's waste no more time. I'll tell everyone about 3Chi real quick, and we'll talk about the episode in depth. 3Chi is the industry leader in Delta-8 THC products. All of these products are formulated by a biochemist and made in the USA with USA-grown hemp.

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I think that's right. Or Global Repatriation. That's a hard word to say. Don't make me fucking say those words, Kevin Feige. You know I'm not good with that stuff on the podcast i'm all i got all the three g going in my brain but we see the well i'll call it the grc talking about how they're helping the displaced people after the blip it's very much a wandavision commercial in that it's just kind of a bland what you would expect this commercial to look like in universe we immediately see a grc truck show up

and cap jumps out i thought that was a cool way to kick things off he infiltrates the place where the flag smashers were being held captive or not captive what's the word for that sheltered exactly he goes up to that guy that was helping out right away and he's like where are the names carly uh carly whatever her name is where is she and he's like i don't know what you're talking about he spits in john walker's face and then john walker an all-time douchey move from captain america slams this guy against the wall and says do you know who i am hard oh what hard oh we said last week if anyone could pull that card it's an avenger right when the cops stopped bucky and sam in baltimore we said if anyone could say do you know who i am it's the Avengers. John Walker, you ain't an Avenger. You're okay. You may be Captain America, but you

ain't an Avenger yet. You can't be doing that. And even Hoskins afterwards pulls him aside and he's like, bro, what the fuck? You can't be just losing your mind like that. He said to him, the guy that was holding the flag smashers, he was sheltering him. He's like, yeah, I don't care who you are. So I'm starting to think John Walker is going to have to start doing some things to make people care who he is. And that's going to start sending him over the line. So, I mean, it is baseball season right now. I guess this is my sports comparison and stuff like that.

And this is where, you know, we, we divide just like our Ironman cap allegiances, our baseball teams are different. This felt a little like the Aaron judge's girlfriend saying, do you know who my boyfriend is? It's when she got pulled over, it was a D wire. I don't remember what happened exactly and it's like come on you're not the cap like you're not Aaron Judge even if you are like Aaron Judge plays like 20 games a year like he's barely he's more of a football player than he is a baseball player like that was a tough look for uh John Walker again I love we just refused to call him cap but at this point

in my mind I think you're either with john walker or you're with the flag smashers so i mean you choose you can choose whoever you want to choose listen i feel almost the same way that's why i'm in a such a between a rock and a hard place here we're gonna get to it but god damn it clam i'll say it right now i don't know if the flag smashers are the bad guys anymore this episode has made me think i mean they do some things where i'm like all right you can't be doing that maybe you're going a little far with it but i mean they're doing some good things the same seems like they're trying to give the vaccinations to the right people right right and um uh when you get spit in the face i have to give them credit because like getting spit in the face and to like just take that i i almost feel like if someone

spits in your face i feel like all laws should be immediately thrown out the window you can basically do whatever you want because it's just like one of those things where I feel like you just would see red from, you know, the time you're like, if you're just a kid to the time you're, you know, a fake Captain America. I feel like laws go out the window when you do that. Basically the purge. This Global Repatriation Council, there's a lot of things that like come up with the post-blip that i'm just like fuck that would be so hard to handle just like all this like the population and figuring out how you're dealing with resources getting people back into their lives we kind of see this you know snapshot of it um with falcon when he's trying to get the loan and all that with you know where's it's like when you change jobs and like it's hard to get like a mortgage because they're like well you didn't have a job for this gap year.

You're unemployed. Yeah, I have a job now, but where are your paychecks from February to May? I was fucking unemployed. This guy was blipped. So there's a lot of stuff with the GRC. The fact John Walker is part of the GRC makes me hate him even more. I don't know why. I guess it's the Thanos guy in me that is the GRC.

He got their enemy in a very weird way. But, yeah, tough work for – I haven't seen anybody who is like a legit John Walker fan so far, which is kind of crazy. The internet, everyone can always find a way to like a guy. Again, unless part of my take makes you like John Walker. I don't know how because they have made every – like the least likable people ever likable. I don't know like John Walker, because they have made every, like the least likable people ever likable. I don't know if John Walker, if they could even do that with him.

I was going to say, it's actually impressive. In wrestling terms, you always talk about it as like the cool heel. Nowadays, everyone wants to be the cool heel, the heel that people cheer for, the NWO type. Whereas like you look at Roddy Piper or The Miz even as a modern guy, they never want it to be the cool heel.

They want it to hear as many boos as they possibly got. And that's exactly what Marvel wants for John Walker. Like we want people to fucking hate this guy and they're doing it little by little in each episode. I think they're doing a good job with it as well. We cut to Berlin, Germany. Baron Zemo is in prison and Bucky and Sam are going to break him out. Well, not yet. They're going to talk to him first. And Bucky says, let me talk to him alone. I think this is a good idea. You're an Avenger. He fucking hates you.

I'm not an Avenger. I was kind of just a pawn for him to use. So he goes in, and immediately Zemo starts saying the brainwashing words, which as a villain, like, listen, I hate the villains. Everyone knows I'm a hero guy. I go against the villains. But badass move just to start playing mind games. The second he

walks in the homecoming rusted this, that Bucky tells him, you know, that doesn't work on me anymore. He says, Oh, I know. I just wanted to see how you would react to it. I was like, Oh shit. Zemo's back. Zemo's back, baby. Here he is. He's a mind games fiend. Um, he apologizes. He says, there's nothing personal against you. You know, you were like, you thought upon in my whole plan. Bucky tells him the serum has been recreated you. You know, you were, like you thought, a pawn in my whole plan. Bucky tells him the serum has been recreated. And Zemo's like, oh, and you came to me because you think Hydra has to do with it. Well, luckily, I know where to begin.

Sam doesn't trust him when Bucky goes to him and says, listen, we got to break Zemo out. He fucking knows where to begin. Sam starts saying, there's no way we could break him out. You kidding me? We're Avengers. We're going to be on the run. Again, what happened to Sharon the last time we were on the run? And then Bucky starts telling him this plan. And it sounds like a great plan, really well thought out, laid out plan, very intricate.

Sam's like, what's going on with this plan? Sounds a little too familiar. We realize about halfway through it, Zemo has already been broken out. Bucky took it upon himself to do it. We see the entire breakout sequence in a back and forth, almost reminded me of like a Christopher Nolan-esque way and the way he goes with the back and forth shots, like at the end of his movies. I loved the sequence. And then we got the title card immediately afterwards, which this was the biggest cold open we've gotten for Falcon and Winter Soldier. And one of the coolest parts of the entire series thus far. I absolutely love the jailbreak i didn't even know how to how to like put it like i guess christopher nolan would it would have been

an example but it just felt you know bigger than like just your regular tv show was the way that they kind of pieced it all together it was so fucking awesome i was basically chanting zmo zmo as he said the words i feel like in villain, there's a few things they teach you. You do your little soliloquy or what do they call it in The Incredibles? Your monologue. You have to do your monologue. You have to know your secret, like the timing to slowly kill someone, all this kind of stuff. Zemo, that motherfucker could teach a course on how to play the shadows the way he

came out of that shadow twice he had two different things first with his body then was his face i was like zemo you got the shadow game down pat and i respect the dude and again like for the people on youtube at least you are watching robbie fox the the face of all faces the the king of the the fan of faces break bad he's becoming a fan of the villains here he's slowly breaking because zemo i think has you right now he's you're wearing you wore the goddamn mask to start the episode so uh shout out to barry he wore as soon as he gets out of that that jail that cody throws on oh my god nothing was as fire as anything that has ever been worn in the mcu yeah i mean sorry to to Wakandans.

If any Wakandans are listening, we know that you don't like this guy. Shit, that is a problem. This episode is not going to do well on Wakanda. Now that you mentioned it, how do you wear these purple Baron Zemo masks in public? Is that technically part of your corona? Is that corona-proof? Well, I saw someone wearing a buff yesterday, I swear to God in LA,

that was a Hydra logo. And I wanted to be like fucking hell Hydra, you know, and just see what they said. Oh man. So yeah, a big purple masks are on the rise right now for that. That is definitely a stock going up. And I, I was kind of like, I was like, what's, you know, is, is, is Zemo really so like bad?

And then they were like, yeah, you blew up the UN and you killed T'Chaka. And I was like, oh yeah, that's that, that was a problem. That was, that was a really big deal. Yeah. It's kind of like with Bucky. It's like, you know, he got pardoned from all his other shit that he did in the past. Those are pretty fresh wounds right there. Yeah, they are. He takes the purple mask out of one of his nice-ass cars. He actually shows them this collection of old-fashioned cars, really cool stuff, and reveals himself as a baron. They're like, you've been rich this whole time? He's like, yeah, before my country was destroyed by you guys, I was a baron, which in the comics he is baron, Zemo.

Tremendous way to tie that in. He gets on the plane. Zemo grabs Bucky's book, and he's like, who's Nakajima? Bucky reacts immediately like, oh, my God, grabs him, and he's like, who's Nakajima? Bucky reacts immediately like, oh my God, grabs him. And he's like, fucking don't step out of line again. You don't do anything we don't tell you to do. As they're talking about the book, we get my favorite moment of the episode where they started talking about Marvin Gaye. And Zemo says it really defined the African-American experience in America. Sam just delivers this line as funny as any line he delivers in the entire MCU.

And he says, he's out of line, but he's right. I thought that was so funny. And it was just, again, hammering home that this is a funny Zemo who is stealing the show in every scene that he's in. And they are on their way to Madriport, as we mentioned before. No fucking lies either. Marvin Gaye is just a delightful listen that i'll tell you best i i have a very eclectic mix of music and i throw it on shuffle and i'll tell you like you you go through the skip through like up you know i don't know not really move for this marvin comes on it's just

staying on he's just playing through and then we'll go to the next song no matter what it may be i also loved how bucky was like i like 40s music like yeah and it's at the point now where someone said the other day like it's pretty soon this is gonna the 20s are gonna be known as the 2020s not the 1920s and especially for an old like me that blew my mind and i think even for a guy like you who's a little younger but uh bucky at some point the 40s are gonna meet something completely different and i absolutely love that it's like what the fuck we're for 40s is like basically the time where i really have no idea who were even like 40s like i barely know 40s like it's the like rockabilly stuff that i guess inspired the beatles but even the beetle stuff is inspired by a lot of elvis stuff in the 50s and the early 60s. So like who inspired Elvis in the 40s?

I got some little Richard. Billie Holiday, Louis Armstrong. So yeah, exactly. That definitely adds up, I'd say. So Billie Holiday and all of them. He hears the early Beatles stuff. He's like, no, this is too fucking out there for me. I can't do it.

Early 60s, I'm not into it. We check in with the Flag Smashers. Robin Hood is with a woman who passes away, I believe it was maybe her mother. It's made unclear who she is. They talk about her later in the episode, but she's in this big shelter looking thing. It doesn't look good. It looks like they're living in pretty poor conditions. I wasn't sure what the hell was going on with this too. I was completely lost. But what's her, what's the woman's name did they forget it was they did say her name later it was might have been donya something it was a name like that i feel like and she's in the books the uh the person in this too so i have to i have to have to look into it but it is someone

that is in the marvel books but i i didn't know if i was supposed to know what that was going on i apologize for not doing the research this time again this is like the the vacation week of mmb but we're still doing the episode. When they were saying, like, where's Carly and all this stuff, I would have loved it. He's just like, the chick from Solo. You know, you're not really sure. The chick from Solo. Also, Magipor was another thing that I didn't realize in the books was a thing.

I looked at him, and I was like, that looks like a pretty sweet place to go. And then I was like, is this actually a real place? And that's to the point where Marvel has incepted my brain, where they're making fake things real. I had asked about this with the Jet, too, because they were on Zemo's Jet. I love how he greets the dude, and he kind of has that swagger to him immediately, coming out, obviously, with the cars, too. You've flown on Portnoy's Jet before, right?

I have, yeah. How many times? Is this a one-time PGA, or is this a multiple? Because I know you're rough and rowdy no multiple i've i've done um i've done four i've done like two and from rough and rowdy twice is it tough to go back to commercial after doing the private you could be a douche and say yeah or are you kidding not for me because the private's still like what the private the only time it has been Actually, this was the one time it was hard. We flew out to Mizzou on private and we flew back commercial once.

And that was hard. You're flying back with all your like equipment and stuff like that too. Exactly. I had the base with me. So it was like, ah, Jesus Christ. It was just, you know, it made everything a hassle. That's why I don't have money too. I don't want to have to have like just enough money where I do, you know, one way I'm private and then the other way is commercial. I'm just going to take it easy and just be for as long as he allows me to be. Of course. So they go to Madripoor. They're in disguises or actually just Sam is in a disguise.

He is dressed as the smiling tiger. And he's like, why am I dressed like a pimp? He's wearing this loud blazer. It looks like something Ed Hardy would have made in madripoor or something and the power broker is watching is written on graffiti we're told the power broker runs madripoor this is his spot they go into this club the winter soldier is recognized immediately so that answers our question that we had earlier like are people just going to recognize the winter soldier everywhere he goes it's like jesus christ yes exactly that's exactly how it went in this bar they walk up to the bartender Are people just going to recognize the Winter Soldier everywhere he goes? It's like, Jesus Christ? Yes, exactly. That's exactly how it went in this bar. They walk up to the bartender, and he goes, Smiling Tiger, nice to see you back.

The usual? He's like, yeah, you know me, the usual. He gives him this snake venom shot. He cuts open the snake. It looks like the most disgusting thing of all time. They drink it together. He's like, oh, that was delicious. I loved just the little game they were playing here and the humor in it, even though there was

a bit of tension where you're like, damn, if they really do get caught, it's going to be serious. Someone comes over to Zemo. They say, you ain't welcome here. He says, well, why don't you bring the power broker to talk to my friend over here, pointing to the Winter Soldier? And they're running the little gambit here that the Winter Soldier is under his brainwash once again. And he's just a lackey. He says, the Winter Soldier, attack! He fucking goes right back into attack mode. Not legitimately.

He's acting. But he grabs this guy's arm with his arm, you know, bends it all the way back. We hear screams of agony. And then he fucks up the entire bar. Amazing, amazing action sequence. The best hand-to-hand fighting we've seen in the MCU in a while, and we get to see Bucky retort back to his Winter Soldier ways in a pretty intense scene. Yeah, that was an awesome scene, just seeing him just fuck shit up. I feel like that kind of aggressiveness has kind of been beat out of him

when he's not fighting the bad guys. So just seeing him just straight up, turn it on was awesome. If not a little sus, let's be honest here. He's kind of like riding a bike. He just starts fucking these guys up and is like brutal with it. The, but my favorite part was just the entire smiling tiger sequence because I

personally, I love the nickname smiling tiger. They thought it was lame. I thought it was awesome. Cause a smiling tiger kind of fucks you up, this like massively aggressive creature. Conrad Mack, too, that is a fucking awesome name. I almost like that more than Smiling Tiger.

I didn't realize he was wearing heels at first. So I absolutely love that. The only thing I didn't like – When he starts running at him, he's like, I can't run in these heels. That Audi ad, when they had the car pull up with the audi i'm like come on marvel you guys really i mean i'm sure that was worth more than i've made in like the last five years combined that two seconds on screen that was a little much i guess you have to kind of get those in me you can in these shows someone has to pay for the 50 million

dollar budget over these episodes have um but an all-time like tough break when he's like the usual and it is the snake guts into the drink or whatever the fuck it was it was it guts or was it eggs or do we know what it was i don't even know i was almost like watching it through my eyes because i don't even drink alcohol i'm such a pussy with alcohol that i'm like that's gross that like watching snake venom be poured into alcohol i was like i'm gonna throw up just watching it oh my god robbie got provoked at the alcohol on the street not the snake that was getting gutted and poisoned the thing i did not see that coming that was that's incredible have you are you have you ever become a regular usual guy anywhere where they come in like you want the usual robbie uh yeah pop belly next to the office i don't even have to order pop belly yeah they just know what my order

is it's like a chicken and cheese it's a real simple thing they put a little bit of hot peppers Yeah, Pop Belly next to the office. I don't even have to order at Pop Belly. Yeah, they just know what my order is. It's like a chicken and cheese. It's a real simple thing. They put a little bit of hot peppers on it. Sometimes they don't. That's what they'll say. They'll be like, hot peppers today or no? I'll be like, no.

And then they'll just make me the usual. But I haven't been there since the pandemic. It's sad. I used to be friends with all the workers there. We would talk. They knew about Barstool. I knew about their lives. It was great.

I love being a usual guy somewhere. And there are times, though, like at some places where I just go so much where they're like, oh, before I even say it, they know exactly what I'm going to get. You know, like, oh, you know, two slices and you're going to get, you know, the drink or whatever. And I'm like, I've been here a lot. So it hurts when you're there at a place too much. But I'm with you. There's nothing better than being i you're there at a place too much but uh i i'm with you there's nothing better than being like a usual guy at a place i've never been at a bar enough to be that which i you know you drink that's like there's certain levels like having a sandwich named after

you having your usual at the bar there's just certain levels to achieve uh snake guts is not on that list unfortunately for me that being my usual but uh yeah my pizzeria actually uh prado trattoria over here in carmel i absolutely love it and they're just like all right we're gonna get the two two i ordered my two slices yep you're gonna get the drink that's part of the lunch combo see you later boom boom boom so uh that was my favorite part but uh it was kind of weird it felt a little bit um what's the oceans 12 when test is julia roberts and it's like that much that he's he's getting it i was also getting big time most icy vibes from this place were you getting that yeah yeah like i don't like you my friend doesn't like you either like

everyone had that attitude in this place exactly exactly and i had that i've had that once in my life i went to a tigers game and we went to the bleachers and I just had this bad vibe. Everyone in the in the stadium experienced it, too, like all my buddies and I. It was just this like vibe. It was like people were like ready to fight. And I was like, man, Detroit, I kind of give you credit for it. We're kind of a bunch of guys from New York, Mos Eisley style. So they get this meeting with Selby, who was the girl that was like, I believe, working with the power broker or knew about the power broker. It was a girl that they wanted the meeting with.

Zemo offers the Winter Soldier in exchange for what she knows about the super soldier serum. He says, you can have the soldier and all of the words to command him if you give us what you know. She says the serum is in Madripoor. The power broker had someone named Dr. Nagel make it. Anything else more you want to know about that? You're going to have to give me some payment, but that's what I'll give you for free. Then Sam gets a phone call. All right, Clem, we're actually going to get serious for a second before we continue.

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going on obviously so he answers she's like hello what's going on trying to answer like being mean she's like what are you hi like what the fuck we got to deal with this problem he's like what problem she's like the boat you know what problem i'm talking about it seems like they're gonna get off fine towards the end and And then she calls him Sam. And that is no good. Selby says, Sam, shoot him. She gets shot the second she says shoot him, which is like, what the fuck just happened? Whole shootout in this bar.

They start running away. Like you mentioned before, Sam's like, I can't run in these fucking heels. And then Sharon Carter steps out of the shadows. And she is revealed as the one that shot Selby and saved them. We knew she was going to be in the show. We didn't know when she was going to come into play. Here she is. She has been in Madripoor since she has been on the run, basically.

Sam was like, why haven't you come back to the States? Like, we got pardons. She's like, it's different. Like, you guys were on the run. I am on the run. She offers them lodging and she lives in this gallery type place, kind of like a cool art gallery. She's made a good life of herself in Madripoor. Yeah. Sharon coming. I guess we should have, we might've said in the future past episode that we expected her. I don't know if you said you did. I didn't think she was coming. So seeing her was a complete like twist. She was in some of the posters I know. So that's why I

expected her. Yeah. yeah okay hand up when they said selby didn't think selby was going to be a girl i don't know if that makes me i know since i work at barstool sports it makes me a misogynistic evil person but i just didn't think selby the way they were they were throwing around the word selby i feel like that may have been a misdirection i don't know um sam listen buddy i love you you gotta turn the phone on silent not vibrate. It's kind of like they say this at the movies. That's day one hero school stuff.

You can't have the phone going off during a meeting. Day one survival and stuff. If someone answers the phone at the meeting and you're a little skeptical, you make them turn it on voicemail or on speakerphone. Selby knew to do that and fucking Sam got completely fucked up. I loved the thing as soon as Selby died. It was like Selby dead.

And there was a big, I think that was the Bitcoin symbol. So it was kind of like John Wick-esque. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, it got sent out to everybody, right? And it was like the bounty is out on the people that killed him. I forgot to mention that, but that was very cool. I've seen that in a couple of different things. I don't remember what else.

They did it in Mando. They did it in Mando They did it in Mando episode 3 That's it And every time I just go back to the John Wick scene Which I guess just shows the appeal of John Wick Where I feel like if you asked all those people to Like yeah we took that from John Wick Because I think it's one of those who has inspired a bunch of people

So I don't know what the fuck that symbol was If it was a Bitcoin Or if it was some sort of weird Magiporian currency. But I have videos like, oh, a billion Bitcoin. Fucking Large couldn't even tweet out a couple of tweets to get his Bitcoin. Yet these motherfuckers are ready to kill people for their Bitcoin bounties. That was just me zinging Large because I know he's bummed that he got on the Bitcoin. So they track Nagel to a container

they tell sharon carter if you help us out we'll clear your name we'll get you that pardon when we go back to the states he's literally in like a shipping container at least that's where they track him to they open it up it's empty they're like what the fuck if you've watched any movies in your entire life you know that there's got to be a secret push door bat cave type deal here and there very much is um this is kind of a secret push door bat cave type deal here. And there very much is. This is kind of like the Dark Knight Batcave. That had a shipping container entrance when Wayne Manor got burnt down. But he's got this whole little underground lab. It's super shady looking. They sneak up on him, all guns drawn, which like kind of badass, like the three of them working together now. And it's all empty until it ain't

we see dr nagle in the back they tell him to talk they tie him up and people start showing up to kill him immediately i assume the bounty somehow they tracked him through that sharon starts fucking all of them up like sharon carter way more badass than we ever knew she was apparently in winter and uh winter soldier all movies, they give her some stuff. They give her like, oh yeah, she's like a badass spy. She saved Steve Rogers when we think she's just an innocent roommate. Okay, Sharon Carter at this point.

Someone said, question-wise, they said, can she take Amanda Nunez? I think she can. I think she can give Amanda Nunez a run for her money. I think she can give Conor McGregor a run for his money. Stabbing people like this was violent too. More violent than your general MCU scene.

I saw a poster. It said the Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Sharon. And I'm like, yeah, I think she fucking is top billing with those two guys. Because I think she might be able to kick their asses too. I love the secret door thing. As soon as they were pressing on the walls, I was like, let's go. I was thinking of actually, I know it's like a curse word to the fans of the show but the wire season two when they're going through the shipping containers and all that stuff um which by the way season two of

the wire it's a lot of shit but it's only compared because it's such a change from the first great season but it holds up it i'm not saying it's the best season of the wire far from it but it it's not as bad as people say so just have to let that be known while we're in the basement we're in the confines the friendly confines here um i would have loved to see even in the background like boba or mando it's like somewhere like a little easter egg place there where we see them show up with the rest of the bounty hunters sharon probably kicked their asses too yeah Yeah. Oh, by the way, going back to Sharon's apartment, I forgot to make this point, seeing that party in like all those people,

it completely broke my quarantine brain. I was like, all these people are just sharing like oxygen together and they're breathing the same air. And it also like feels like 20 years ago, seeing a place where you could have like everyone part other than the idiots down in Florida who are just doing spring break every single day and that i feel like we're going to come back to when sam in hightown said he doesn't believe in that hero shit like this clearly there

there's there's a lot to sam like underlying here that i think we're going to get to um but it was so nice to kind of just transition to just being the shit out of a bunch of bounty hunters which i mean that was one of the more impressive uh single person like beatdowns that i can remember other than like the hulk who's the hulk right it's like yeah he just crushes an entire thanos's army by himself but just as like a human fucking sharon and the name sharon makes it even more impressive it's like uh i sharon i think of fucking ken jack sharon left me that's's the kind of level is what I'm thinking of with Sharon here. She is fucking putting the name on her back. I think Sharon, because Karen obviously has one connotation to it.

Sharon is like rising up the ranks right now. She is. And she's, you know, she's got that Agent Carter legacy to live up to, right? She is living up to it. So shout out to Sharon and shout out to her Aunt Peggy. Nagel starts talking. Oh, go ahead. Do you think this is like Sharon from another multiverse and Kat is her father in this? And that's why she's so bad?

Because I'm trying to figure out how she's like, again, this is breaking my brain. I was going to say, no, because that just broke my brain. I can't even start to think about timelines and multiverses. We'll hit the 3C and come back to that. We'll put a pin in that and we'll come back to it in another episode with the 3C in our brain. Nagel starts talking. He says he was recruited by the CIA. They had blood from a test subject who we could assume is Isaiah Bradley based on the look that Sam shoots Bucky.

They had 20 vials total and they were stolen by Robin Hood, Carly Morgan Thau. He got blipped away then. And when he came back, the program, the super soldier program where they were trying to redo the serum had been pushed to the side and they were like, yeah, we're not interested anymore. So he went over to Madripoor. He went to the power broker and the power broker funded all of this for him. Sharon runs in right at this moment, right when he basically is telling them like the

meat and potatoes of the whole thing. And she says, we're running out of time. Zemo fucking shoots Nagel right where he stands and an RPG hits the containers. Big explosion. Zemo looks to escape at first. And you think like, fuck, is this guy going to be on the run immediately? But he's not, not yet. A shootout ensues, a very cool shootout. We get back and forth with Bucky and Sam. This is an every action movie, bro. You should fucking know this. Great stuff there. And Zemo puts the mask on.

Finally, he puts this fucking purple mask on. He grabs himself a gun and he starts fucking up the whole squad. Zemo is not only a smooth talker. He's not only a great villain. He's a complete and total badass with a gun as well. He's an action movie villain himself. So he pulls up in a car after he fucks everyone up. They get in.

Sharon, they tell her to come, and she's like, I can't. Just get me that part. And then she gets into a car with a lady. She's like, we got fucking problems. What was that all about, Sharon Carter? Because that was a little sus. That was quite sus. And I, I don't want to, you know, call out agent Carter or potentially caps unknown blood that we don't know about here in some multi multiverse, but that was,

that was extremely sus. Uh, it was no good as a, especially as like a guy who that should be like, that's my teammate, you know, from a cap guy, like my team is Falcon, Bucky, Sharon. I'm like, all right, now I got fucking Bucky retorting back to his Winter Soldier way. Sharon doing this. Like, I don't blame Sam for not wanting to shield. He's like, I don't want to deal with these motherfuckers. Yeah, like if Pepper Potts was in bed and you just, you know, the camera pans and it's fucking Ebony Maw in there. It's bad for me as an Iron Man guy, right?

So this isn't looking good for you, Bob. And again, that's going to be the thing that's going to finally break Bob and turn him to the bad guy side with the rest of us is when he can't even trust his cat people anymore. He doesn't know who to trust. He's going to come to old fucking Baron Zemo who's just sniping people. He's a good shot. I mean, that's the way to put him.

He's just awesome throwing the mask back on we talked about it in wandavision how i was really excited and i guess we'll see in strange if we see the the arc of a comic book hero becoming a villain with wanda i i love when the comic book villains don't become heroes but they like work with the heroes and it's for more than just you know a frame or a book and then it's like ha ha ha i got away i like that we're gonna have zemo working hand in hand for at least another episode or two i don't expect them to be on their side for you know even the rest of the series let alone the the near future but i just love that kind of shit the rocket launcher listen i love that that rocket launcher the damage it did because that like when you have a rocket launcher in a video game i was gonna say video game damage

right there fortnight uh i mean for an old man might be doomed to uh golden eye all those kind of things like the halo 3 yeah okay halo 3 all those games when you have the rocket launcher you feel like you're basically God right so it was so nice to see it I never realized I was scared of shaking beakers until I was watching it like that just inspires something primal me when they're saying like oh my god something terrible is gonna happen that is something deep in our human DNA Jurassic Park asking like the ripple effect of the glass and the waters that you know like it's just like oh fuck shit's about to happen. Oh my God.

I have to rewatch it. But when he put that mask on, I don't know if there was any kind of musical cue with it, but I wish Zemo had a musical cue when he threw, when the mask comes out, because I think he's earned it at this point. Again, where this is, this is a Zemo podcast. Apparently right now, we are Zemo. I mean, even we forgot to mention there's that one scene when they go in the club and he's fucking fist pumping.

That's fantastic. That was amazing. That was a gift immediately. It was on Twitter immediately. I was like, all right, we're doing good. Like everyone on the internet still has their fastball after a year in quarantine. I was so happy to see that.

That was so good. And I loved the, like you said, they, they talked about the action scene like, and then the move your seat up. that was the callback to when he wouldn't move his seat up for when Bucky was in the back, right? Yeah. What movie was that when they were sitting in the car? That was Winter Soldier. That was Winter Soldier. Or it might have been Civil War even.

I don't know. It was one or the other. Civil War, I think. It was a great callback, though, and I appreciated that. Again, I like shit like that. I know some people think it's like too much fan service stuff. Things like that, I think, are very minor, though some people think it's like too much fan service stuff like things like that i think are very minor though i think it's fine totally and with the fan service this is complete tangent but we got the space jam 2 trailer this week and i saw a lot

of film twitter shitting on the fact that like the crowd is just as we saw in the trailer everyone from every movie ever fucking danny devito's penguin uh arnold schwarzenegger's mr freeze the mask the clockwork orange people the nightwalker from game of thrones they're like oh this is what this fucking movie is going to be this is the future of cinema right here it's just going to be remember this guy remember that guy it's just another ready player one guys it's fucking space jam we're making the crowd look fun like it's not the fucking godfather chill out if you can't have space if you can't have fan service and space jam the fuck are we doing here like come on if on. If you don't think the Night King watching fucking LeBron James play basketball

with Bugs Bunny is cool, what are you doing? Yeah, exactly. I mean, everyone was shitting on Space Jam before it started, and I'm sure I, like, wasn't really thrilled about it. I kind of was before the trailer, and then I saw the trailer, and I was like, alright, it seems like they're doing some cool shit with this. Just have fun with it. I mean, that was, like, the coolest thing about Ready Player One.

Every fucking... Again, I just said I wanted to see boba fett and mando in the background we think it's cool when crossovers happen when we recognize things nostalgia that's all fine why do people look down on that all of a sudden yeah it's everyone's just so angry these days so i know they don't want to have fun so we go go to Lithuania. Carly Morgenthau says that she wanted to be a teacher. She actually seemed like a good person. She's talking to a fellow flag smasher. This is a moment where I'm like, God damn. This is like I wrote down in my notes, flag smashers may be good guys.

They want to help kids in camps. She wanted to be a teacher. She just wanted to help people her whole life. We cut to John Walker really quickly. He realizes that they've broken zemo out and hoskins is like are you fucking crazy but john walker he's an asshole but credit to him he fucking knows what they're up to he's very on it we cut right back to sam and bucky sam says listen i'm tired of hearing about this fucking shield you know what i should have done with the

shield i shouldn't have gave it up i should have destroyed it so there's no shield and then bucky for the first time all season we get a hint of maybe he wants the shield because he says, I'll take that shield and steal it back myself before I let you blow it up. So now there's another layer added to this show. We all assumed, I think, by the end that Falcon will become Captain America. John Walker will go to the side, maybe a US agent or something like that. Now I think it's up there. Maybe Bucky wants to be Captain America. I still lean that Falcon will be the eventual one to get that title, but maybe Bucky will like give him his blessing. They're really making us earn that Sam as Captain America, where at the end of Endgame,

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They're going a little too far with the killing, but as I mentioned before, they seem like good people before that. So that my exact notes was, this was a tough look for the flag smashers. God damn it. That was my, it was my exact thoughts like that.

I didn't love that. Dina Madani. okay that's her name yeah that sounds right i looked at that okay so i have that in the notes here so that was the person that uh passed away who was sick in lithuania or whatever um sam having second thoughts the destroying the shield thing that was i'm sure bob fox was not liking all the talk about destroying the shield right no yeah i have a shield on my shirt but i was like damn he's got it on his back i can't destroy the shield it's a symbol goddamn and it stands for something um so she said uh dead and they talk about riga latvia i'll tell you about that's where i flew into when i went to latvia so i really i Latvia, you were the first person I thought of. I turned, I said, Clint's been to Latvia. I'm so proud of myself that I could be one of the few people in this world that like,

when Boris, when Stooley's here, Latvia, I'm one of the first two people. And sometimes the first, it's either me or Porzingis. It's which one you think of first. The fact that I own that corner, I'm very proud of it. And I saw Riga, I was like, holy shit. i can't believe in this timeline that i'm living and i actually know where this is i've been there it's a lovely city it's a nice little place i compare it to almost people always say what's lafayette like i i honestly i thought it was gonna be one or two ways when i went there i thought it was either be like feel like i was in a black and white like

1950s soviet union eastern european country and everything was just a black and white, like 1950s, Soviet Union, Eastern European country, and everything was just like black and white. It was just a weird ass place. Or I thought it was going to be like, because the name Latvia kind of sounds like Bavaria. And I thought it was going to be all these like, you know, kind of looks like a beer house. You know what I'm saying? With people wearing their like Oktoberfest gear, Lederhausen.

Lederhausen's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it just kind of felt like Montreal. It's like the, there's a lot of like a stone roads and sidewalks and stuff like that. There was like me and Hank, Hank, every cause Hank and I feel, you know, we went to lot via to shoot a thing for me asking Latvians about Chris tops for Zingas back in 2016. We knew each other for about five minutes. We had met one random night at a barstool party. I'd spoken for maybe five minutes. So we went there. Hank TGI Fridays. There's like there's KFC McDonald's. So it's not like you don't feel completely out of place. English, Latvian and Russian are the three languages.

So you kind of get enough English there. But it was definitely very weird to see Riga just just popping up on my fucking screen there. I like the I like the aesthetic of not only latvia but like the lithuania setup everywhere they were they were filming this episode like in europe i thought it was a very cool aesthetic very cool background like you said the cobblestone all that it was nice yeah i dug it and i like madripoor i had to look it up because i was like is this a fucking um like where is this place it seems like it sounds like a really like real place nope fake place completely.

It's that's in Southeast Asia. And even that kind of had the vibe too. I don't know where they shot that part of the episode. Cause that like view of the skyline, the city, it did make you feel like it was a real place. The flag of the flag of Badgerport. I don't know if you saw what it looks like, Bob.

It's fucking sick. I'm a big guy. I'll throw it on the screen right now. Throw it on the screen. It's a fucking crescent moon, or I don't even know if it's even a crescent, a waning gibbous. I don't know where we are. I don't know my moon face all that much.

But it's a thin piece of the moon, has a goddamn – looks like a lion on there, and he has a star above his head. Oh, yeah. I just looked it up. That's nice. Big magic port fan. Yeah, big magic port guy. I might become – and, like, what are you, a magic port?

Are you a power broker? I might be a power broker. I might be in and like, what are you, a Madripoorian? Are you the power broker? I might be the power broker. I might be the power broker. You guys have to keep watching the podcast. You're trying to sell us on Madripoor tourism over here after we just learned it was the worst place in the world. We don't have one COVID case in Madripoor. Not one COVID case in Madripoor. Come on over.

I don't believe that with those bars. I don't believe that with those snake juice bars. Before we get into the sus list, a.k.a. the hydro list, let's talk about the end of the episode. Simo and Sam go on to continue researching, and Bucky notices a little ball. And I didn't recognize this right away. And when we got to the end of the episode, I went,

how could I not recognize that? It's from the bracelet and all that. But he starts realizing there's these little things all over the city. And I thought, John Walker first? Is that how he knew they broke him out? Is he spying on them? But no, it was Io from fucking Wakanda. And she is here for Zemo.

Bucky says, I was wondering when you were going to show up. And she, you know, no bullshit. She's like, I'm fucking here for Zemo. Where's Zemo? You ain't cool with the guy who killed your king getting broken out of prison, especially by people that you thought were your allies that you offered shelter to for years that you gave a great nickname to the white wolf there's going to be some tension between these two next episode she's like listen you give me zemo or you lose the nickname white wolf like forget about all the reasons i need

zemo for this i really don't want to lose that White Wolf. So I'd love to see that being the conflict going on in Bucky. Again, I forgot how the whole Zemo thing was tied into Wakanda. I was like, oh, yeah, it's already killed their king. Kind of a big deal. I hate this, too, because as we've said multiple times as we started rocking these masks, I'm a Zemo guy. I like Zemo. I don't want to be against Wakanda though. I like being a friend of Wakanda as well.

So this is going to be a real problem for me next episode, rooting for what's going to go on. Cause I was not fucking with anybody right now with this. So I had no idea what the balls as well. I was very confused about all that, but they had those bracelets. It was like the bracelet of balls in black panther and then when uh what's his name the dude that was with them when he gets shot they shove some

of those balls in his wound and it like heals him unnaturally quickly they're like super fucking you know wakandan technology balls this was great like you said we got a lot of shades of gray in this episode from everyone from zemo from sharon carter from bucky from sam everyone you know you're on your toes about even john walker even hoskins hoskins seems like a good guy to be honest with you john walker's buddy battle star i know he's got kind of his lame name battle stars rough tough but he seems like like even when he sees john walker messing up he's like bro you're fucking captain America. Come on. You got to withhold to some standards here. And John Walker doesn't seem like he wants to do that.

The spit in the face, by the way. We were talking about that guy spitting in John Walker's face. We got to give a shout out to the all-time haka-loogie in someone's face. Bret Hart, Montreal Screwjob, Vince McMahon. From the ring, like he really fired that thing. He had that Baron Zemo sniper shot. And it was like the perfect amount of like it wasn't like an extra like like stuck in his face you had to like

wipe it off yeah it was gross fred hart holla if you hydrate you gotta hydrate yourself man you're the hitman you're sweating i know you're like all oiled up and sweating it out with your hair and everything but if only the flag smashers had like a wcw type thing he could have wrote in the air in in front of john Walker's face, you know? It's too long to write Flag Smashers, the whole thing. Let's get into the Hydra list, a.k.a. the Sus list. All right. So number three on this.

This one's tough. I don't know what to – is Selby actually dead? Oh, I think she's dead. Okay. So if Selby's dead, dead, she's off the list because that's kind of like my four because it just seems so weird that it's like we meet her, she dies in such a weird circumstance, and then it's like boom. So if Selby is alive, that's my little asterisk.

If alive, Selby's on the list. Number three, just because we mentioned it already, this whole thing with Sharon is very extremely sus. And listen, I like Sharon Sharon I want her to be okay when you're on the run for that long and you're rubbing elbows with the hooligans of Magipor you're gonna have to like kind of dive into the underbelly just to stay alive so I'm not judging her she was caught up in this entire civil war thing she backed the wrong side she backed the wrong person in the civil war which was Cap let. Let's be honest. As everything has played out,

we know how it has happened. Half the universe died going his way where the half the universe doesn't die. That was all cap's fault. That was all cap's fault. He can't do that on cap. Come on. People are saying in the questions, we're not going to do questions this week.

Like we said, we're tight on time, but someone wrote and says, does Sharon Carter, the power broker? I don't think she's the power broker herself, but I hate to say this. I think there's a chance she's working for the power broker. She's the power broker? I don't think she's the power broker herself, but I hate to say this. I think there's a chance she's working for the power broker.

She's the power broker's broker. I think that's what Sharon Carter, if I had to guess. She's the PBB. She's number three on the sus list. Number two on the sus list. This one hurts, but I think we can all hear me out on this one. Bucky. I knew you were going to say it.

Now listen, this is the reason why. And it's not even his fault. I knew you were going to say it. Now, listen, this is the reason why I, and it's not even his fault. I don't think he even knows it. I'm telling you, Zemo, I think has like super secret co-words. This is the one that's on the last page. If everything else has been programmed out,

you say the word, you know, um, applesauce, boom, fucking straight up, you know, winter soldier 2.0.

And he's fucking shit up again we could see how we could just turn it on in an instant i honestly think there's a chance with zemo out now it can go a bad way for bucky so it's almost not his fault also i don't like how all right i don't like how smoothly he said the word archipelago when he was talking about magic board that's not a word a normal person can just call out on their own so this is i'm like sus that is a thing to do is like you you know exactly all about magic board and that's an archipelago it took me i wrote it in google how i thought it was how i thought it was spelled google had no idea what i was saying i had to type it it's like dude

i have no idea it's like oh you're on your own with this one. And he's just using that in his like everyday vernacular. Suss as fuck. And Sam even thought, you know, in the bar, he says like, are you good, bro? Like, you're good, right? And he had to make sure. So either Bucky is a great actor or he was feeling that pull to the dark. If you want to do a Star Wars terms with it. Yep.

And again, no couch at the house. It's kind of a villain move right there. But someone hit us up about that. I didn't realize that was a callback. When Bucky and Steve start talking, they're like, oh, the beds were too soft when you got back from deployment, weren't they? And they said, yeah. So that was actually a bit of a clever callback that neither of us picked up on.

Shout out Kevin Feige for putting that one right over our heads. Tip of the cap to the Feige and tip of the cap to whoever pointed it out that was good shit number one on the hydro list and i mean this has only uh been validated by what went on yori what how has that been validated because the list because zemo is like who is nakajima i guarantee zemo knows everyone on that list front and back. Nakajima is a fake name, just like Yori is probably a fake name. Everything's fake. Yori, number one on the list.

If Yori turns out to be sus by the end of this season, I will never trust any old man ever again. I'll never help any old people cross the street. I'll never say nice things to them. I'll look at them all with a sus look in my eyes. I mean, again, this is the thing. I really actually do like Uri a lot. It's just that when I always look at the odds at the sports books and stuff,

and I look for those Super Bowl winners, the first, like, six teams, seven teams on the odds, I just completely wipe them off. So I'll be like, who do you think is going to win the Super Bowl? I don't even think of the Chiefs because I'm always thinking of, like, the Colts or if the Giants are somehow in the mix. Like, those are the teams I look at. So I just turn a blind eye to the people that are obviously Zemo all right sweet I could say Zemo's on this no Yori I'm telling you if I cash that check that ticket in my kids I could pay for their colleges all for this Yori ticket so I'm going who is

Nakajima who is Nakajima you tell me Yori you tell me there was a promo for bffs this week that i watched that was i i feel bad like laughing about it because i think it's a serious issue for the josh richards kid who seems like a very normal guy by the way every clip i've seen with dave and that kid i'm like all right he seems like very normal down-to-earth kid but his girlfriend like maybe cheated on him with his best friend and he's like there's a clip where he's like girls want to know how fuck boys are made this is how and this is how i feel about yori guys want to know how fuck boys are made if yori turns out to be sus fuck boys are going to be made we'll never trust anyone ever again that's a good note to end it on though with the bffs comparison shout out that you're

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We'll go over the top for you guys. Shout out to Baron Zemo just for being Baron Zemo. We're looking out for him next week. Hope to get some more fist pumping or something, some more dancing, some more Marvin Gaye references. And we will talk to you guys next week.