My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 121 - 'THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER' EPISODE 4 RECAP WITH CLE‪‪‪M & SUPER PRODUCER B‪C

Episode Date: April 12, 2021

Robbie and Clem are joined by friend-of-the-program Brendan Clancy this week to discuss the fourth episode of ‘The Falcon And The Winter Soldier’ on Disney+. From WILD theories to fascinating easter eggs and the dumbest dad jokes and analogies you’ve ever heard, we’ve got it all covered this week! 3Chi: Use code MMB at checkout to receive 5% off at 3Chi.com HelloFresh: Use code 12robbie at HelloFresh.com/12robbie for 12 FREE MEALS! ONE on TNT 2 this Wednesday at 10pm ET/PT!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Brendan, let's start with you. How have you been enjoying the show? I liked it. I really liked it. I wasn't, like, worried about it, but I was almost ready to detox from WandaVision and be like, I was looking forward to it because I was like, this will be a little bit easier to watch. The theories won't be as weird and convoluted. So I'm enjoying it. And also just like an action movie, get a little bit of that. My wife doesn't like it. She's like, you know, that last scene I'm sure we'll get to it. She was like, I think

I'm out on this. I was like, I'm going to keep going. But I've been loving it so far for sure. Good. I'm glad to hear that. Clem, what'd you think about episode four? So i think we were starting to lose some of the people who were on the fence uh before this episode and we might have left lost some at the end of the episode like bren said with that final scene uh but i think this episode probably brought people a little more back in because again i think the way things kind of broke at the end there it's going to make this whole gray. Like we said, it's the Marvel universe.

I think it's gonna be a lot more shades of gray. And I mean, when the whitest of white character goes and get some gray in him, that's going to be some shit or at least the icon of that character. So, and again, I think like we, we said this episode one and two,

and people thought, you know, we, I was just being my stupid supervillain loving self. I really think you're not really supposed to know what to think about anybody in this show. You know, the flag smashers,

the new captain. I mean, I think we can even, and again, don't Bucky. There's still a couple of secret words in there that haven't been deprogrammed in Wakanda. I still believe that.

So we'll get to the hydro list at the end of the episode here. But I, you know, I, again, we were talking, we were talking offline. I never thought like, again, I'm not a cap guy, but I never thought this show was going to be great. I never thought it was be like, oh my God. And I also thought that it probably didn't have like the, the side of WandaVision where it could get so weird with theories and stuff. It would just bring you back from war. But I think it's perfectly fine for what it is. It's not great. It's not bad. It's perfectly fine.

I think that's what we could sign up for. And it looks fucking awesome on TV, right? Yeah. I think your point to this episode grabbing people is definitely going to ring true because I got a text from Glennie Balls before I even watched the episode this week. And he was like, oh my God, I wasn't really in on Falcon and the Winter Soldier before, but the ending of this episode has me in. We did talk offline about it because we've been getting some tweets and people are saying like, Robbie, you know, I'm a cap guy, but I just can't get into the show. What is it?

There are people that just like aren't into this show. And it surprised me because I'm a cap guy. I'm pretty into this show. I don't think it's Breaking Bad. I don't think it's, you know, oh my God, this show is revolutionary, but I'm enjoying it week in and week out there's nothing in the show that i was like i wish they didn't do that or i wish they didn't go in that direction every direction that they're going especially with this episode now that we have this new interesting development where john walker is a super serum lunatic um can i just clarify when you guys bring me on here, I am a Marvel stan. So to hear that people are like, I don't know. I mean, like, I might stay up for WandaVision.

Like, I might watch this deep into the night. I'm not doing that. Maybe for the finale if things get really good. But right now, I'm like, I'm going to watch this Friday evening. Like, you know, I'm not worried about spoilers. But I'm, like about spoilers, but I'm absolutely watching it. A Marvel show is going to have to be

terrible for me not to watch it. I'm just clarifying that. Some people think this is not an unbiased opinion. Exactly. This is not a terrible show. I wouldn't even say this is a bad show. I wouldn't even say this is an okay show. I would say this is a very good show. There's a lot of cool stuff like this bringing zemo back having them put the

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Use that at checkout. You'll get 5 percent off your order all right you guys ready to get into falcon and the winter soldier episode four in depth take me to wakanda robin i am taking you to wakanda because that's how we started off the episode you get that like tribal drums you get the little sound indications that you're going to wakanda like fire me up as much as actually going to Wakanda. And we get to see six years ago, some of the deep programming that the Wakandans were doing on Bucky and they're reading the programming words to him. And he's very nervous about it.

But Io tells him, listen, I won't let you hurt anybody. Very badass thing to say to like, listen, fucking guy with the metal arm. You're not a threat to us here. The White Wolf, though though as they call them and they read the words nothing happens and he has this just release of happiness and relief and uh really like well acted scene by sebastian stan you know he's crying it's an emotional moment and then we flash back to the end of last week's episode where i was like look at all we did for you how could you turn your back on us and break him out?

Bucky says, listen, he's a means to an end. She gives him eight hours, and we kick off the episode. I love that he still has the White Wolf name, and she addresses him. I'm like, yeah, Buck, we're still alive. We're still the White Wolf. And now he's going to come up to Sam. At some point, it'll come up where she said, he's like, I told you, the White Wolf right here.

I love you said it, Robbie. Every time they go to Wakanda, we get some sort of musical cue. I think they should do that for the rest of the time right here. I love, you said it, Robbie, every time they go to a kind of get some sort of musical cue. I think they should do that for the rest of the time, which I mean, they probably have been, we'll, we'll be doing, and they have been doing this whole time.

Send me to Wakanda. Daddy sounds like a fucking phrase. That might be for all. I know. Alex Cooper says that every episode, I'm not sure. It's a good book. 9,000.

Take me to Wakanda. Daddy, whatever. I, I, it's a little above my pay Me Daddy. I'm not sure. It's a Gluck Gluck 9000, take me to Wakanda, Daddy. Whatever. It's a little above my pay grade here. I was loving that scene, that Winter Soldier deprogramming scene. It was great. We were getting kind of the flashbacks. And then they had to show my dog, Tony Stark's mom, getting murdered again. Listen, no more Mrs. Stark getting murdered. You could show Papa Stark getting murdered.

She's all fucking banged up from the car accident. She gets choked out. Like show Howard. Don't show Mama Stark, Marissa or whatever. And you're like, that was just fucking wrong, man. And this was the best acting I think I've seen since like WandaVision, since Elizabeth Olsen was doing it. Fucking Sebastian Stan, his like emotions on his face, the tears.

I think Mr. Stan, he's apparently joining us because I'm telling you, he looks a little like Super Producer BC. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I thought there was a little bit of, I saw the hair. Yeah, BC, that's a compliment right there. Absolutely, no. Or a huge insult to him. I don't know.

I am flattered. I am blushing. Jeez, I will take that comparison every single day. I don't know why I'm so shocked every time they just like bring us to another place. But I get so excited. I'm like, oh, we're in Wakanda. OK, OK, cool. It's like, yeah, I mean, like we literally just saw IO. Like, of course, we're in Wakanda. But I'm like, oh, good. Oh, good. Good. We're going to get more detail. We're going to get more background. I love love it i got like ayahuasca vibes i've never done anything like that but i've watched many documentaries on like you sit in this tribal area with the you know it's like a cleansing i don't know what they did to him but obviously

it worked i don't know if it was science medicine spiritual but you know like freeing him um but i you know and i don't know this is where i go into like the WandaVision super theories, but I'm like, is that indicating that, is this really going to not go on? Except I understand being like, bro, you don't look like me. You just told me immediately. I don't know. I don't know what they're saying to you. Yeah, but, you know, is that just teasing? Like, that could just be at face value i'm trying to take things more at face value

and just be like this is not an indicator that um he is going he he can be reprogrammed but it certainly could be you know like i said like those words could you know kazimo reactivate it somehow you know like maybe just not not anybody can reactivate or maybe not those words can reactivate it but you know you show it and you go, oh, he's clear. That could just be them answering the question, why is he allowed to interact with Zemo right now? Oh, it's because Wakanda cured him. But it also could be indicating that maybe he can go back to Winter Soldier.

So I don't know. But I love where it's going. And, yeah, happy to be in Wakanda. I almost feel for bucky because like as much reprogramming as they do for him he's always gonna have that question of like we don't know winter soldier you killed you know tony stark's mom and we saw it all happen it's honestly a little weird that everybody's like wow i mean but he was being controlled and they're like yeah but i mean he still did it so come on he's a good guy. Come on. He's a good guy. He's a hero. He needs the show to exist.

So everybody likes him. I am the Michael Scott thank you gift to Robbie right now. You have to tell this to Robbie. And I know this is Robbie's best friend's best friend, basically, right? That's how this all works out because he's such a cap guy. And I understand. And it seems like I'm an Iron Man guy saying it. So as Brendan, as the impartial know, impartial third party here,

it is fucking kind of weird here that this like super weapon that has killed, assassinated an assassin. He's an assassin. We're just letting assassin run wild. He went to therapy though. He went to that lady who gave him a list and you know, now it's fine. He's got a super arm and what are you going to do?

I mean, and now he can't even go to therapy too. He's got no way to like talk that shit out. Cause now he's on the run. He's doing this. He's doing that. arm. And what are you going to do? And now he can't even go to therapy, too. He's got no way to, like, talk that shit out because now he's on the run. He's doing this. He's doing that. John Walker's like, he don't need the therapy anymore. John Walker, he might need the therapy. Might got to call up our friends at BetterHelp, get that therapy on the phone.

John Walker might need therapy. Might. John Walker needs therapy, brother. He needs therapy. We learned that Carly Mganthal's profile has really grown since the bombing we learned that you know many were injured a few were killed zemo compares the avengers to the nazis he actually makes the comparison of like a super soldiers you got the you got the nazis you got the avengers and there was such a funny line from

sam where he's like hey those were our friends man and, man. And Bucky's like, the Avengers, not the Nazis, man. Come on. And Zemo has this great line where he says, you know, the super soldier serum has never affected anyone, but there has never been another Steve. And Bucky and Sam share that look where I don't know what the look was necessarily saying, whether it was, hey, neither of us are Steve. We knew Steve. And obviously that's kind of what's daunting to us. Or if it's there kind of wasn was another Steve. It was Isaiah Bradley, and we met him. He's in a house in Baltimore right now. So they share that look, though.

Sam and Bucky go off to Riga. John Walker comes in as well. John Walker just tracking them everywhere they fucking go. He's really on to them. He's a tough guy to escape. But I thought this was a really good scene between Zemo, Sam, and Bucky. It's another one where zemo kind of steal stole the scene like well with all his quotes with his monologuing

he's stealing every scene he's in let's also call out what else he's doing he's fucking pulling off he's a fashion icon zemo is a fan the way he rocks the robe in like that whatever hotel they're in or that apartment it's fucking it looks awesome it's like so crazy european that my dumb american brain can't even fathom it but he has like the robe on with like the little pants and he still has that little zemo like hair curl on it and then he pulls it off when he's wearing the jacket with a little fur in the back i'm like this jacket with the fur oh my god that thing is fire that's a reference you see that the real like uniform that he wears has has like the fur patches and they're just like oh all right we'll just put them in a jacket that sort of looks like that brilliant it's brilliant

concept artists give them a raise whoever came up with that no wonder why we're fucking standing the purple mask because the guy just is like you know like if he had like a blue mask or a red mask whatever the guy put them together purple masks were like icon bob fox is now a villain guy because the guy just put a fucking purple ski mascot it's incredible the guy like you said he absolutely steals every single scene Flag Smashers I will say being mentioned with the Nazis and Ultron was tough however that Avengers line like two or two like two good guys two bad guys maybe we could come to that Bucky Bucky being like a guy who literally was fighting the Nazis having to remind them that the Nazis, like I always lead one reminder that Bucky is like this old ass dude from

like the twenties, right. That grew up in the twenties. And the other thing was TT. That's like Sam's aunt or whatever. Or do you guys have any weird, like different names for like grandmas and grandpas or aunts and stuff like that?

Like we have Mima Nana and Mimi's. Those are our three here. It's not mine but like my cousins on their mom's side who's related to us through marriage so they but their grandma the my cousin's grandma that's not my grandma is their mima so mima is like i always think that's just like you know arbitrary like just like who just decided that like just randomly i don't have many names like that my friend growing up called his grandma Mimi. I remember that.

Mimi. There you go. My principal also growing up was, this is fucked up. Her name was Mimi Bear. Mimi Bear is the name of my principal. It sounded like some kind of stuffed animal or something. She quit after my eighth grade year and at my eighth grade graduation said, this eighth grade class was the reason I quit.

Worst behaved children i've ever seen in my life from all our parents and everything wow mimi bear retire that's like a meanest thing that's like a fucking maybe you are zemo after all bob yeah she was like these kids nazis ultron fair fair compared to us all um we find out that we got to find carly though the borders are getting tighter because of the bombings and we got to go to re get a finder um like i said john walker caught up with them very quickly once they got to riga and they have different interpretations of like how they want to deal with her different theories on how they should deal with her sam wants to be a little more diplomatic. Sam wants to talk it through.

He wants to be like, listen, what's the deal? We could relate a little bit. Where's the rest of the super soldier serum? We know it's out there because we know only, I think, eight of the Flag Smashers took it, but there were 20 vials, Dr. Nagel said. We actually see them looking at the vials over the grave. And once again, we get a scene where it seems like Carly and this other flag smasher actually you know they're not the worst people they have some at least in their own mind justification for what they're doing one of them is a captain america fan he even says like ah

shit he was a fan damn just like me i could i could have turned out into a flag smasher if i was in this world or something and uh yeah sam wants to go talk to her john walker wants to be a little more fucking american kick the doors down america fuck yeah um sam very much taking the the captain america route though i feel like that's what steve would have wanted to do it was crazy how uh like low-key that was he just walked in and they were just like bullshitting you know what i mean it was like such an adult conversation and i was like oh shit is this like still the falcon and the winter soldier i actually appreciated it that it doesn't always have to be superhero shit right it could just be normal human shit and again kind of made the flag smashers look good i believe carly was compared to cap at one point you're kind of like

our cap i like that again i'm trying i'm really trying to get robbie on my side of the the flag smashers i mean he's a Zemo guy for life. Zemo pulls off another fit. I mean, I might suck his dick. I'm just going to say it. I loved how Zemo went in there and was singing Baa Baa Black Sheep. I mean, Super Rooster BC, you know how it is with the kids. You got to get those couple songs that just get them going.

That one has been a heater forever. I forgot to mention, yeah, the Turkish delights he used on the children You got to get those couple songs that just get them going. That one has been a heater forever. I forgot to mention, yeah, the Turkish delights he used on the children to get Carly Morgenthau's location on them. And immediately when you saw the Turkish delights in the hotel or wherever they were staying, you knew, well, something's sus about those. They stayed on the shot a little too long. Zemo feels like he's on a fucking list right here where you're giving out candy to kids like that doesn't fly i know latvia it's in the middle of this crazy flag smashing revolution you can't just be giving out uh candies to kids and broad daylight i will say this however that shit works because i have never had a turkish delight in my life but i

remember reading the lion the witch and the wardrobe in like fourth grade and they talk about it and it sounds like it is the greatest candy ever created. And I think it's supposed to be a literary device or something. But I just remember Turkish Delight. And I always thought it was chocolate. I had no idea they're like these little like fruit looking candies. Is it like taffy or something maybe? I don't know.

We might have to get some Turkish Delights for next week trying on the show. I was hoping one of you guys have had them before because they sound so fucking good and i mean these kids just start squealing it had a little bit of a vibe of um i think it's varus who gets the kids his little birdies in game of thrones oh yeah that new meister the uh cersei's dude who's like the scumbag kind of starts using the kids as his little birdies but like it just kind of goes to, I feel like in these like crazy war torn towns, the kids are always the ones you go to because they're like, they're able to fit in spaces. They're always nosy.

Kids are always getting in places they shouldn't go. Again, SuperBirdsNBC can back me up on this one. Have you guys talked about Flag Smasher, the character in the comics? Only a little bit. We talked about him in episode one and kind of talked about how, you know, he is a villain in the comics.

And it seems like in this they're taking his character and spreading all of the traits out among the Flag Smashers. Right. Right. And that's that's just what I love about this stuff, because in I didn't know anything about Flag Smasher, the character. But, you know, obviously just Googled it and stuff like that. And seeing that Flag Smasher, the original Flag Smasher being named carl morgan thou and they just named her carly morgan thou i mean i just love that stuff and it the way they handle nicknames the way they referenced uh wanda like oh she doesn't have any nicknames but but then by the end agatha gives it to her you wouldn't just like put on a hood like i always thought baron zemo when i when i first saw him on the marvel cards you know when i was collecting as a little kid i was like oh i don't know what zemo is a reference to. It's just dude's name. Like that's his name in this. of it being somewhat maybe occasionally referenced as flag smasher i just love the way they they do

all this backstory and make it make sense in the real world because it's just like people don't get weird nicknames and even the people who do get weird nicknames like captain america got a weird nickname because it was marketing it was propaganda exactly yeah you know like find a way to work themselves out that white wolf was a character in wakanda but now they just give it to bucky because he's a white dude like i mean yeah you know so so i mean i just love the way all this stuff is coming together i am now i think i'm ready for just uh something that gives you the blip like the what happened during the book i'm talking about like i'll watch a sitcom like i'll watch like a comedy where it just occurs in the world because hearing that the borders,

there were no borders and now that's why they want the flag smash. Like it's all super interesting. I know that some people were when, when Wanda vision was sitcoms and they were like, I don't get it. Why isn't it superheroes? I'm like, I want it to be very clear.

Like I just want like an always sunny in Philadelphia style show that just takes place during the blip and and there's just just easter eggs and it's just funny like i'm ready i would absolutely watch that yeah just give us two random people that existed in the marvel cinematic universe during that time even when carly morganthau in this episode says like you know we moved into our new homes and then they kicked us out i want to see that i want to see like well that family got blipped away they got a mansion sitting there can we just move into that man like i feel bad but i mean that's just sitting there right and then eventually when they come back it's like you're in our fucking house what's going on you

remodeled the place you repainted the living room what's going on here you just look right into the room and it's all different i i think um it's interesting to see disney plus one tackle like uh like the extreme violence that we're going to talk about at the end, and two, the political stuff. I mean, I think it's real and you have to go in on it, but just talking about that stuff is kind of polarizing.

Also, did you guys hear that there was a storyline essentially dropped, and that's why Donya You know, I heard something about, like like there were trigger warnings added to falcon and the winter soldier and disney plus and then someone must have said there was something that related too much to the real world and they were like screw that we're gonna drop it they cut a storyline i don't really know all the details on this but i guess the

actress who plays mama donya is like a little too famous to just be laying dead like she's she's done a few other things and they were like very surprised that she's like already gone she was had a storyline and they they said it um was too close to covid19 like remember they like were trying to didn't they say something like they're they're stealing vaccines yeah and then it's just like yeah then you don't really hear too much about that so there was like something that was a little too close to that that they removed and again you know tackling some stuff like i don't know maybe is that just completely a coincidence were they filming so long ago yeah i don't know 2019 maybe i don't know but um or maybe they you know we were

hearing about the the virus when it was in china and they were like oh we could talk about this and they're not realizing that was going to go full worldwide and literally change the world so they had to cut that so you know getting into some shit it's a shame that they cut that but thank god like we didn't have to get reminded of that in the episode we could just go off to europe and forget about it all for a little bit um but like you said they are tackling like way more adult topics in this show and it feels like it has a little more adult energy and adult like undertones than the movies do like you may and maybe that's just by uh like by the fact that they have to flesh things out and they have to talk about things a little more because this is

going to be six hours as opposed to two if you made it a movie but it feels more adult it feels like they're saying shit a lot more it feels feels like every episode we get like three, three guys being like shit. Oh my God. I'm like, every time I'm Rick Dalton pointing at the screen. Yeah. Um, I love,

and I think I might've mentioned this last week as well. All of the European environments that we've been in. I feel like the way the show is shot kind of reminds me of like civil war when they were going in, in Europe and in those ways, but just, it gives the, it gives the show its own feel. It gives the show its its own vibe of like we're traveling city to city going here i

like that they put it on the screen they tell you where we're going to i like that about civil war too like when you saw queens on the screen you were like oh shit where's the in spider-man here we go so yeah the the turkish delights zemo even had a little sus moment where he's like those two guys don't trust them they They're bad people. And then that was like, you know, as a Zemo guy, we were Zemo guys for all of 15 minutes before he started throwing wrenches in our plan. I also liked how they were like, he's

going to do the head tilt thing, and then he like, changed his head. Just three best friends. Three best friends we've ever had. It was beautiful seeing this little friendship between them, but it's like, he's still fucking Zemo. And like you said, Brent, the But it's like, he's still fucking Zemo. And like you said, Brent, the fact he's like, I was a Baron. It's like, Baron?

Zemo. Oh, it makes perfect sense. To this day, Doctor Strange just being having the last name Strange, that's the only reason why. Even Strange, that's it. Because I remember being a comic book guy. I didn't follow Doctor Strange. I was like, that's a little much right there, the name Doctor Strange. Nope, turns out it happens to be his name.

Sam goes and talks to her. This is during the funeral. He actually lets her make a nice eulogy. He stands up. He's in the back. He's not interrupting her. She sees him right away and finishes the eulogy, but she definitely throws a little politics into it.

Just she wants Sam to hear what she's saying here. She gives a great monologue, eulogy, whatever you want to call it. Just, she wants Sam to hear what she's saying here. She gives a great monologue, eulogy, whatever you want to call it. I feel like the actress, Erin Kellyman did a really good job in this episode. We didn't get to see a ton of her in solo. She's at the very end.

She has like that little back and forth with Han himself, but I feel like we probably saw more talking out of her in this episode than we even did in that movie. And every time she was on screen, I was like, all right, she's, you know,

as a flag smasher, I just saw her blow up a building with people in it last week but she's kind of getting me you know she's saying i want to move back into my house i want to remove the borders talking about the way the world was before the blip and john walker hoskins bucky they're all on the outside john walker's getting more and more impatient he's like it's been 10 minutes come on here we go he's looking at the clock something i noticed john walker is getting a little more scruffy i don't know if you guys have noticed that like the more he's getting a little more breaking bad a little more evil they're letting his his scruff grow back in which i thought was such a nice little nod it's where it's like all right yeah

he's not captain america clean shaven all fine yeah once it gets the full beard like like then are you infinity we go back on the good side because you know got clean shaven but then he's rough and rugged he's on the run i guess he's technically a bad guy when he had the beard who's made you know technically because he was on the run maybe he was an outlaw yeah um but john walker eventually he's like fuck this you know he looks at the clock he bursts in he goes past bucky and this was an issue because as you're watching it it's almost it almost reminded me of the the phone call from last week when sam's on on the phone with sarah the whole time you're like all right

i think we're gonna get through this i think we're gonna get through this it seems like sam's doing a good job talking to carly morgan thou she kind of understands his side of things he had her on the good uh supremacist line right where he's like i know a guy that knows more about the super soldier serum than anyone he calls you a supremacist she's like that's crazy and then he kind of zings her he mousetraps her but john walker bursts in and carly's like is this what this was all about we go on a big chase chaos kind of erupts um zemo's involved in the chase john walker's involved in the chase and they eventually go into kind of the back alleys of this building that they're in the super serum spills go into kind of the back alleys of this building that they're in the super serum spills all over everything the flag smashers are there with it

right and zemo sees this zemo starts fucking smashing all this super serum with his feet he tries to shoot carly morgan thou because you know much like dr nagel you're involved with the super soldier serum he wants to shoot you he's going to shoot first, ask questions later. He misses one of the super soldier serums, though. Rolls away, and John Walker fucking beats him up, beats Carly Morgenthau up, or maybe she gets away or something. And he puts it in a little pouch of his Captain America costume. And you're like, oh, no. Immediately, as a John Walker hater, as a Captain America fan who's like, this fucking guy has the Captain America suit on.

What the fuck's going on? You go, man, I don't want to take that super soldier serum, but it's going to make the show a hell of a lot more interesting. So I kind of do want to take the super soldier serum. He doesn't take it right away, though. You know, kind of teases that. And I will say when Glennie texted me, he said something happened at the end of the episode. He didn't spoil it for me, but he said something happened at the end of the episode that made me so excited. As soon as John Walker grabbed it, I went, oh, that's what's going to happen. That's what Glennie must've been talking about. He's going to take the super soldier serum at the end of the episode. Oh my God. I couldn't have been more wrong about that, but we'll save that for later. By the way, I love that Glennie is our barometer for once Glennie is texting about it in excitement. Because it's like Glennie is just such an even-keeled guy.

We had him on the We Gotta Believe gala. I just laugh when the man is lewd in comical fashion. That's just funny. It's just a manatee just happily floating about. And then when he's excited, though, you get excited with him, right? Yeah. He got excited halfway through WandaVision too. I got it like almost the same exact text,

like halfway through WandaVision. Like I'm in now. I love it. So for the rest of the podcast, as long as we do these, my mom's based on a Marvel, we need to like, let the people know when the Glennie alert has been sounded and he's

texting about it. Cause that's when you have to like drag all the casual people or I'll be like, all right, it's time to get in. Glennie's excited. Everyone you know is going to be excited as well. So my theory for the earlier episodes was like,

I was like, he's taken the serum already. Right. He's he, he, because I was like, he's just too good at this stuff. And also I was like the,

the country, you know, the government is trotting him out as the next captain everybody knows that captain america had super soldier serum right like this is that's public knowledge and then this guy is just like what like athletic but he's just like oh he like won the olympics or something and we're like we're gonna make him captain america no you need the super so i was like i thought it was like an undisclosed story but now you know i like it a lot more that it's like you know that it amplifies whichever direction you are, if you're a little bit good, a little bit bad.

And I like that he at least struggled with it so that he's not just pure villain. He didn't just grab it, slug it down, and like, yes, how do you – struggles with it. He has a conversation with Hoskins, like his main guy, his's best friend who he's going through for advice through everything and Hoskins who we've talked about on the podcast has seemed a little more even keeled than Walker throughout the whole show you know last week when Walker got spit in the face Hoskins told him like dude you gotta chill out like you're Captain America now but even when he said to Hoskins like would you take the serum he's like hell yeah take the serum you fucking kidding me so he got a little he got a little like nudge in that direction from his boy I don't know how they picked the perfect guy and i don't know if that's just the way his

face really is or if he's just sticking his jaw out like the whole time i'm like you just look like a guy who's like so punchable right i hate you yeah i'm like a good looking guy but you're a weird looking guy and you're a bad looking but you know you're like a preppy villain from you know like some some like teen movie where you're like he's not pure evil but he's like an entitled dick and he thinks he everything he says is right and you know and now i'm glad like we can root against him but good villains are important so i i like i like how he's gonna you know just go completely off the rails i think there's also an opportunity for a redemption arc there but you it might be down the road. The whole world is going to view him.

I wonder how they'll spin zone that. That'll just be like real modern politics where there's some super ultra-nationalist. Well, sometimes you've got to smash a guy's head in. My two notes from this scene were Walker is such that goddamn chin. I hate that goddamn chin so much. And he's a fucking schmuck. I don't know what other words you use to describe him than just schmuck.

He's just a schmuck. We've all dealt with schmucks in our life. Sometimes you have the friend like Walker, who's a schmuck. And like, you're not even, he's like a friend of a friend. And he's an accomplice, I guess. But it just, he just does everything just wrong. And like, I just don't like being around you. That's what I feel like every time he's on screen and the more he hates carly the more i

them like i'm a fucking flex man i i all right when walker like was bursting in there i went online and looked for uh you know a document to sign so i could join the player i was a for the flag smashers because i just can't stand this guy which i guess goes to say you know just how good like you said you need good villains It's a good acting job all that kind of stuff And it is kind of incredible that he's on like He's alright so he doesn't have Super soldier serum to start with

But he's on some sort of like Pujols steroids Yeah yeah he's on steroids come on It's not the juice it's like the milk Yeah it's Andrew or something like that It has to be something At this point we go back to the hotel We're hanging but it's like the milk. Yeah, it's Andrew or something like that. It has to be something. At this point, we go back to the hotel. We're hanging out.

It's Zemo. It's Bucky and Falcon. It is Cap and John Walker. I'm not calling him Cap. I'm not giving him that satisfaction. It's John Walker and Hoskins. And the Dora Milaje breaks in. They say, your time is up.

We're here for Zemo. And John Walker walks in. I don't think so. I think we're going gonna need this guy in the good old usfa our jurisdiction is you know as white and american as you could possibly be with these guys and i loved falcon just kind of laughing and being like oh buddy i don't think you want to do that pal that's not like fighting our friend bucky over here and the door malachi we get like our real fight scene of the episode. Starts fucking these guys up with their spears, right? I think John Walker calls them like a pointy stick or something.

Once again, as white and as American as you could possibly get. They throw the spear at one point, like through a table that John Walker is near. It like basically makes them stuck to this table. It was so badass. Io hits something on By's arm where she just makes it fall off she said you got no arm now boom no arm that was awesome i loved afterwards sam was like did you know they could do that he was almost like it's almost like when you get owned by someone in front of your buddy and they give you shit about it afterwards he's like

i don't know little girl kicked your ass like you said last time but the door melange just absolutely runs rampant on all of them Zemo kind of went in the back through all of it he closed the doors right and then afterwards we hear he pulled an El Chapo very funny line um but the Dora Milaje leaves after this and John Walker you could see there's something inside of him that's just so pissed off he's almost shaking with rage and he says to Hoskins they weren't even super soldiers like they weren't even they didn't even have the serum and they took me down I'm supposed to be captain America here. Zemo got away.

What's the whole thing about here. And we know now shit. He wants to take that serum. He's got the, he's got basically got the okay from his friend Hoskins. Now they do wear Milaje kind of showed him up. Awesome scene from the door Milaje. And you know,

this is a vital scene because it sent John Walker over the edge. I think. Dora Milaje, definite stock up emoji for them. Oh, yeah. Way up. When I was saying in the flashback in Wakanda, like, don't worry, I won't let you hurt me or whatever. I was like, all right, lady, this is the guy. He's an assassin, right?

No, she would have fucked him up. If she activated him, were they those words, he'd be fucking dead six feet under the dirt in fucking Wakanda right now. I love this fight. I was trying to figure out, it was like a tag team battle royale, because it was like, the Dora Milaje, I feel like, had extra people, so it wasn't like a 2-2, but it was like a battle royale

with just all the tag teams in, or a Royal Rumble with all that. I love that side of it. And it was good fighting, which was the opposite of the scene earlier, where when Bucky and carly were chasing each other it felt like um you ever see like twilight when the werewolves are jumping and they have that like it was like that was just kind of corny when they were jumping up the stairs i didn't like that they nailed this fight scene i absolutely loved it um by the way i think i just came up with um the captain america nickname but i don't know if i'm too old to say it so robbie tell me if this works with the kids okay he's cap cap right is it cap mean fake

yeah yeah yeah that works yeah for a full year i didn't realize cap meant fake i thought cap was like you're just like you know representing something like oh you're just you're you're kidding no no it means fake so cap cap i think that kind of works. Makes me feel old, but it's like sus. I feel like I could say it. In HQ2, you know, I sat with like Rhea and Fran and Trent and like all the kind of the young kids. And I think there was a point where I was like, what does this tweet mean?

It says no blue hat. And everyone's just like, oh, Robbie. Oh, man. Cap is a word I will never be able to like say that unironically like if somebody says something if clem just says something i disagree with and i'm like cat clem that's cat like i will never be able to pull that off never kill yourself if you do that i can't even i couldn't even get to lit i couldn't even say things were lit so and that's gone now i think i don't think anybody says that i think it is gone yeah but i i think um you know now i'm like

formulating another weird theory here. I felt like it was foreshadowing something when she took his arm off, the way he looked like so surprised. It was almost like, I can't believe you did that to me. And I think it's sort of like hinting at a realization that maybe they like Wakanda built in, you know,

fail safe. Like, you know, they're solving him, but they're the smartest built in, you know, fail safe. Like, you know, they're solving him, but they're the smartest people in the world. They're going to like be like, you know, you try and use that arm against us and we're just going to be able to deactivate it.

You try to, you know, do something. So maybe there's a different set of code words and then you're going to get the ambiguity. Are they good or bad? Or, you know, like they're definitely good, but they also do for them you know like they're they're not really concerned with anybody else so i'm wondering if there's going to be some conflict between bucky and them it's like when peter parker discovers the uh the training wheels

protocol on his suit right and he's like tony stark put a fucking training wheels protocol he has to like get ned to take it off it's kind of like that yeah yeah yeah so i mean it'll be interesting to see i don't know if that's just like a mephisto theory that has absolutely nothing to do with anything but it'll be interesting to say i'm at the point now where i don't want to ever see mephisto in the mcu i just i just would love that we the one character that never makes it yeah like yeah people go through like a hundred years from now and every single character in the books versus the mcu and it's just one that doesn't the venn diagram is just one dude that didn't wrestle.

We want that money in China. We're not putting him in. There's a whole movie set in hell, like the hell realm, and he's just like, no, he's not there. We're not doing Mephisto. We're always going to tease him forever. We don't even need Mephisto. You know why?

Because we have the greatest villain alive right now because my dude turned to dust. Zemo just swigging scotch as there's a full blown fucking wrestling match going on in front of him. I love his energy during that. Yeah, the whole scene just being like, oh geez, these guys, again, the superheroes, the super soldiers, they just can't stop fighting.

Yeah. Zemo was a vibe, no cap. That's what we're going to say. You know, did you guys, I get Ben linus vibes from zemo did you watch lost where i was a big loss just the the weak you know average person but is so smart that he's literally dangerous like i i one of the things i didn't like about it was was how casual um falcon and winter soldier are like around him like they're all just like

sitting on the couch and they're just like putting their feet up. And I'm like, dude, he's manipulating you right now. Like right now you are being controlled and he also, and you know, he got,

he just slips out the back door when they're distracted, but he, that's like, he's so smart. You can't even be around him because you're getting manipulated at all times. I think that's a great comparison. And it's Ben Linus with a fucking awesome accent.

That Zemo accent makes everything he says just a little more villainous a little more cool it's got an edge to it i love the zemo accent um before we get into our final fight scene of the episode though i will note the zemo probably had time to make himself a hello fresh meal during this whole battle i love hello fresh i genuinely do helloresh delivers you these pre-packaged meals, these little ingredient packages, and then they give you just as much ingredients as you need for the one meal. They give you a little prep sheet where it tells you what to do with the ingredients, and then they cut out that stressful meal planning for you. They cut out the trips to the grocery store. You can actually enjoy cooking because it's fun to follow the little template they give you. You get dinner on the table in 30 minutes or less, and they're not bullshitting you.

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yeah, I actually liked Captain America. He was was fucking cool that dude is a red shirt that dude was like I was like who is this guy and why is he doing so much exposition and just explaining to the world to us I should have seen the ending coming should have seen that coming yeah I was thinking the same thing like this guy's just yeah I guess he's Carly's like main Flag Smasher partner or whatever we get this whole sequence and John Walker there's something different about him in this sequence. And I love the way they showed it. Like when he starts throwing punches, when he starts running down staircases or jumping

down staircases and you're just like, oh shit, this motherfucker took the super soldier CRM. When he does something in front of a Falcon right away and Falcon looks at him and goes, what did you do? And it's just this like oh my i cannot believe did you fucking take the super soldier serum because now you're punching people and they're going through walls that didn't happen in the past i love the cgi on the super soldier stuff like whoever was in charge of showing how that looks visually how a super soldier messing someone up instead of just a normal person they nailed that they nailed the vibe of it we get into this big battle uh in like an open room at this point and carly morgan thou fucking punches the life out of hoskins she kills him with a punch punches

him he goes he's like goes up against the column i don't know if the hit against the column snapped his neck what or whatever but they give you kind of the TV indication of like, this guy's dead when they, you know, he does a little snap on the side. You're dead. If you fall to the side and if somebody taps you on the cheek and you don't respond, you're dead. You're dead. Hoskins went up to him.

Yeah, come on, buddy. I don't think that's something you should do. As a neck cage, you're like, are you okay, buddy? Slapping him back and forth. You're not medical training. You're like a soldier. Definitely don't. You need a neck brace. Like get anba referee out here and i'll take that remember when we were

kids too where the signet to signify you were dead you close your eyes and you put your tongue out i've never seen a dead person with their tongue out it's crazy the dark knight rises she had a little really bad death scene for her but Hoskins has that look on his face you know again like shaking with rage when he realizes or I'm sorry John Walker has that look on his face when he realizes Hoskins has been killed and Falcon has a look of fear on his face like what is this fucking super soldier lunatic about to do he jumps out the window he sees the flag smasher who again didn't kill Hoskins we don't know necessarily what this guy did, but he didn't seem like the worst of all people. Right in front of everybody, right in front of this monument in Town Square,

John Walker fucking beats him down as this guy's begging for his life, begging to be spared. He kills him with the shield fucking over and over again, smashing this guy. And we get an incredible final shot of the episode where john walker standing there with a bloody shield half this shield is covered in blood there were a lot of bystanders a lot of people with their phones recording this even sam and bucky were there like oh my god carly morgan thou watched it all happen if you think carly morgan thou hated the avengers before oh my god she is gonna hate captain america after this especially crazy jarring ending of the episode or ending to the episode this might have been one of

the most violent things we ever saw in the mcu cap captain america let's call him captain america did he didn't behead him right it was just he basically just crushed his face i don't think he beheaded him but we did get a question that I wanted to bring up from will is dope. He said, why didn't we get to see that decapitation? I don't know if he beat him, but I just had to shout out that tweet from will. That was good stuff.

It made me. We saw Thanos get his head cut off. Why can't we see this average innocent person? True. It's still Disney plus like, come on. We're not, that was like a brutal for Disney plus.

So I think that's the blood dripping off the shield at the end too. Oh my God. And as a cap guy who loves that shield, right. I didn't want Falcon to give it up to that museum. Cause look what it came of it. I was still like, Dan,

that's bad-ass. It's pretty bad-ass shot. It was, it was very thronesy, right? Like I remember, I think Rob Stark or no, is it,

or maybe it's The theon where they he chopped the guy's head off he just keeps hacking at it because he can't get it through and it was it was gnarly man and it was let's call what it was like it's not roid rage it's i'm trying to think like super serum storming i don't know like there has to be some sort of thing alliteration yeah and the fact that guy said in the episode he was a captain america fan as a kid that is some fucking twisted shit that you're just dying as you see that shield fucking hammer onto you because like you said with the beard this just proves this is not steve rogers steve rogers would not have done that um we even have kind of the call back to is it winter soldier

when him and iron man or a civil war when him and he takes the fucking shield and he puts it into his like heart which i mean isn't a good thing but he's not killing the motherfucker right so uh i thought that was very cool i would have loved it too if battle star like woke up and was like oh man i was out for him you know there was a quick moment where they cut to him dead like during the chase and for a second i thought that we were gonna get that like wait a minute is he not dead like is he but no he's dead i think he's i think he's dead for good and like this is my thing though what do you guys expect is gonna happen when you're all fighting each other with weapons and super serum and shit like someone's gonna get hurt it's like when you have kids fighting

enough times as you hear the running around the house someone's gonna end up crying someone's gonna end up dead when it's a bunch of superheroes with weapons so the fact this doesn't happen more often is crazy in my mind the fact no one died in the hotel fight with uh Dora Milaje or whatever is so when he died I was like yeah that that's what happens and these guys aren't superhero like that's the other thing too that I hope they like they kind of like subtly hinted at when they're talking about giving autographs and taking pictures and then Battlestar is like I have my own little logo i draw like these guys are like the avengers just seemed a little more polished these guys are kind of just like dudes like it's like when when we go out and we're just fucking morons who work at bar school and he asked for a picture it's like it's just fucking weird because

i'm just a moron i'm not i don't have like a skill i'm not a professional athlete so they're influencers yeah they're more or less yeah i thought it was uh cool when they when they when they first revealed i think like one of the um flag smashers like swings a pipe at him or something he just like bends it and they're like oh but i thought it was cool how how that guy reacted he was like oh no because now it's even like don't forget those guys were just like refugees who just got the super serum so now it's even so it, don't forget, those guys were just like refugees who just got the super serum. So now it's even. So it's like, oh, now you're fighting like a U.S. operative, like a trained soldier.

And you're going to get your ass kicked. So I thought that was cool. And also, this is where now I'm convinced that the show we need during the blip is about Barstool. It's about bloggers. Because could you imagine if Clem was like, yo, Robbie, did you see this video of Captain america smashing this guy's head in is kev gonna do a one minute man on that like who's gonna blog it like who's writing this you know or page views page views pages because it's like these are the stories a trending tab oh captain america killed him make sure you put a nsfw tag on that one yeah it's all trending people got their phones out somebody's on clubhouse or something like that

like they're like i'm broadcasting live it goes you know everything goes to tmz i do one of those videos where he's like listen there's fucking bad people on both sides this guy's a lunatic and it is what it is i mean i can see portnoy being someone that hated like captain it's like lebron to him and he's like i fucking told you this guy's gonna choke the ace of spades he's like all along yeah so funny i mean john walker and hoskins are basically people that wanted to be superheroes right and like no none of the avengers wanted to be superheroes none of them asked for that they were kind of put into that position where it's like man you gotta save the world you're the only people in in the position to do so and now we got john walker

and rest in peace hoskins pour one out for him seem like a good guy but you mess with the wrong people you mess with the flag smash you get punched and you die that's what we do we fucking smash flags that's what we do we get you a flag smasher shirt at least for the finale we gotta get you a flag i'm gonna wear a fucking purple ski mask and i'm gonna put my flag smashers mask over that purple ski mask i'm a double villain i don't even know i like love these guys i really and let's call it what it is the other side of the heroes in this let's can we just admit the falcon looks fucking lame when he shows up to this fight oh no he looked cool he burned the guy with his fucking with his backpack i like that i was like oh i never thought about you could burn

someone with you that was cool but like when he flies in, it's cool because he's flying, but when he's walking and he has his wings up, I'm like, dude, you look like a walking action figure. Yeah, he has the goggles. The goggles do it, too. That's exactly it. He needs to have the Star-Lord. He hits a button and the goggles form because he just looks like a nerd, and then I'm like, I know you call that machine Red Wing

and it's a fucking robot. It's just weird, man. I like Falcon. It's just weird. He's fuckingcon it's just weird he's fucking papa doc sounds like you don't it sounds like you don't like falcon sounds like i don't like fucky i'm skeptical of him i don't like falcon let's hold out hope that by the end of the series he'll get a new costume and he'll be the new captain america and it'll be badass there we go um you guys ready to get into go ahead i just want to say one thing i thought it was interesting that one of the easter egg things they picked up was all the logos on,

on CapCap. The, the flag is black and white. And they were like, this is very blue lives matter adjacent. Interesting. So it's like, you know,

I don't know if Disney is going on on that. He's shooting everything too. There's a, there's a, I just saw one picture of the patch. I think it's at the end when he like looks up from smashing this guy's brains in. And it's, you know, very clearly like a black and white flag. And you put like you put the blue stripe on it.

Yeah, you put that blue stripe on it. And that is Blue Lives Matter. I don't know if Disney's going that direction. But like, you know, a lot of these companies are woke and are trying to say there's definitely inside of racial undertones in this show i've seen some twitter threads that basically said that like the writers intended this and that john walker is supposed to be like white privilege the character and that like everything falcon worked for is just being sort of handed to john walker in this way so i i mean i wouldn't doubt it white privilege the actual like superhero name would be an outrageous thing that actually became a thing but his new name you give captain america to falcon and john walker's white privilege that's a superhero on that's a superhero

on like like a south park episode there's like there's a character like white privilege is my favorite yeah yeah uh didn't we get and like the phone call too right when she calls sarah when carly calls sarah and is like is he working with captain america talking about falcon and she's like no this america isn't you know to represent me so that superhero so yeah there's there's definitely a lot of racial shit which not my cap like not my america not my president not my president not my cap yeah did we forget to mention that yeah carly morgan thou called sarah and threatened the children can't be good on A superhero's nephews. That's bad.

A good old-fashioned family threat. That's pretty – when you get to the – and you're just saying the name of their school or something or the road that they live on, that is some fucked up – By the docks. She says something like that. Letting you know I'm watching. Yeah. I hope we get – this kind of made me hope that we get like an equalizer-style showdown in Louisiana like on the docks in the final episode or something crazy like that. It'd be awesome.

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And remember, the best fights are on Wednesday nights. Let's get back to the show. There was actually a line that Sam said earlier, too, which he said, blood isn't always the solution. That felt foreboding, right? And if he brings that up again on that boat, which I feel like is going to happen now, this is how we go. When the three of us start going, the theories start coming out, which I feel like is going to happen now. This is how we go and the three of us start going.

Theories start coming out and I expect it to happen. If you were to put the pros and cons of if you want to have kids, which I think everyone kind of at least does in their brain before they actually do it and they find their partner or whatever to do it with. I feel like on the cons, it's like

it's a lot of money. It's going to take a lot of your time. It changes your whole life, which is I don't think anyone – not a lot of people notice just how much it fucking changes their life. Fucking a supervillain potentially threatening your kids is on my con list. It was something I thought about before we had kids. And then on my pro list, it's like you get to see the magic of life through children's eyes again. It's great for your family.

And then you can always do to another supervillain,illain please i have kids and they might spare your life so i'm kind of hoping my kids save my life one day from like a please i have a family yeah you want to be you also want just in case you ever made it to the wwf if you get thrown off a hell in a cell you want jim ross to be like my god that man has a family and uh you don't want to be the guy who's just like oh there he goes he's had a girlfriend exactly yeah yeah yeah you want a family you guys ready to get into listener questions definitely all right the first one comes from michael j fats not michael j fox unfortunately i don't believe he's a weekly listener but michael j fat says with the arrival of io could this be a

way of writing off t'challa maybe have zemo kill him accidentally or not would be full circle for t'chaka and t'challa to both be offed by zemo could make him the big bad for black panther 2 now this is a tough one obviously it's like we don't want to be insensitive by answering this because it's like there's no correct answer to it it's like we don't know how they're going to deal with it but i thought it was worth bringing up because they did bring in wakanda they did kind of give us a flashback to wakanda we saw the dora milaje and i thought immediately took black panther too when i saw this episode what do they do for black panther too do they set it during the blip where

you know wakanda didn't have a king t'challa they were looking for him or whatever do they set it afterwards could you make zemo the villain for that is there some sort of bombing in wakanda that you somehow write t'challa off in that way they're put in such a tough spot but i thought it was a decent question i think zemo probably could be the villain for black panther too if you know they continue going the way that this is set it up where he's now escaped and wakandans are him. So I don't know. I'll throw it to you guys. Zemo didn't have any vendetta against Wakanda specifically, right? He was just trying to take, he was just trying to cause like a splinter. Sort of, yeah.

I think they were, you know, the same way as Bucky, he said, it's not personal. Right. Now I get why they hate him. Like they have a vendetta against him. So maybe he would do it in self-defense. But I just, I mean, I have no idea how so tough at their situation like you know even in you know like if it's there's a tribute to him and there's an outpouring and it ties in with chad bozeman himself but like i just i you know there are brilliant writers out there like the the person who figures

out how to even slightly tactfully tastefully do this should get all the awards because i don't know what you can do i mean he was literally like that franchise was going to be like something different like i feel like there was going to be the black panther you like the the the bpu is i know we might have got like wakanda as a disney world park like, right. Oh, absolutely. Oh yeah. I think that they were, I think that that was definitely going to be with within cause I I've been in California. I've been to Disneyland where they, they had all these signs that said Stark industries and then they had like the Wakanda symbol. So I think that there was, I think there still will be that,

but I think last week, like the Avengers campus is going to come soon. It was just poised to be, I think like its own sub category. And now I just don't, I don't know week, like, the Avengers Campus is going to come soon. It was just poised to be, I think, like, its own subcategory. And now I just don't know what to do. But, you know, hopefully they figure it out. But I could see Zemo tying into whatever Black Mecha 2 becomes. Yeah, I think the – I don't know how much, like, this series will tie into that, like, at the end of it. Because I think he was alive, right, when they were filming and when it was all written and whatever because he died in August

and I think that's when this was supposed to debut. I think I heard unless they're keeping this under wraps, which I don't know if they do, I think I heard the what if, he voiced the what if, and I think I heard that that's the last thing. I heard the same, yeah.

I mean, if Chad Bozeman, that's going to be incredible if there's, if Chad Bozeman, if there's like some, that's going to be incredible. If there's some secret Chad Bozeman footage where he's like still in it. I mean, they, they have to put that in a movie that has to be like people in the theater going bananas for it. But I don't know.

You know what I would do? And I don't even know who's in charge of a black Panther too, but like, if you need to like, like kind of like settle all the Bozeman stuff and kind of just like land it and then move to the next one, just bring the Russo brothers in. They should be the cleanup guys for everything in the MCU.

In my opinion, just have them be like, and this is what happened to the black Panther and then hand it over to whoever's in charge of black Panther too. And we'll be off and it'll be perfect. So the Russo brothers, that is, we'll do the meme again,

the leaking water, boom, slap the Russo brothers on it, slap Kevin Feige on it. It's always the answer our next question comes from dylan caraballo i hope i pronounced that correctly dylan is a long time listener this one's gonna be one that i hope i don't get people's hopes up too much for he says big rumors that a well-known actor is coming in to play a well-known marvel

character for episode five i don't know where he got these rumors i haven't seen any myself but i'm just gonna get them from the wandandaVision subreddit? Do we think it's Ian McKellen? I know. He says, my guess is it's just a troll and it'll be Thunderbolt Ross or someone, or they got someone cool to play the power broker. But who do you guys think? I mean, John Krasinski, Reed Richards.

Is he the aerospace engineer in this? I don't know. Who knows? Oh, man. Is that an aerospace engineer? Oh, God. I hate that fucking aerospace engineer. this i don't know who knows oh man i hate that fucking aerospace engineer i mean i'd love to you know speculate i mean it could just be anybody but i i think if they the way that wandavision worked out i don't think that they're gonna drop like wolverine into the middle of something i do think that there, could be somebody interesting popping up.

But I mean, like Dr. Strange, not even showing up in WandaVision just makes me think that all these things are going to be like contained to themselves. And, you know, I'm just not going to get my hopes up yet.

It doesn't mean that this guy's wrong. It doesn't mean that this is, but yeah, you know what I mean? If we like throw somebody famous in to play the power broker, we got to see who the power broker is. And unless's just sharon or like you know like well it's great that you mentioned that because our next question our final question is from jason he said what do you guys think sharon carter's relationship is with the power broker is it her does she just

work for the power broker last week we said we didn't think she was the power broker we believe she was just working for the power broker i'm sticking with that i still believe that she's not going to be the be all end all in this whole thing i would be surprised if she was i wouldn't be bummed if she was or anything i think it'd be fine i think it makes sense but um i don't think she's i don't think she's the be all end all but i do think she's working for the power broker yeah i i think i, she's three on the sus list. I mean, Sharon, she has access to satellites. Sus. You have access to satellites. Magipor is some weird-ass shit.

It's always turning over, and it sounds like it's crazy there. She seems she's doing all right in that. If you are keeping company in a tunnel full of graffiti, you have some shit going on. So, yeah, I definitely think Sharon, whether it's the power broker or something else. And, again, for the character, I think it could be Cap i think it could be chris evans as like captain america and old cap flashback something like that that's what i can't get my hopes i mean like i don't know i'm like oh my god chris evans is gonna be in this right i love that

i'm saying it yeah i have seen rumors that they think it'll be Zola or the AI version of Zola. I think that would be cool. I thought he was awesome when he came back as an AI in Winter Soldier. That was a cool scene. Yeah. And I guess people were saying that there's an Easter egg in Civil War. No, I can't remember which one. I guess it's where they flashback where he's still alive, and he

grabs a piece of paper that has a robot body. Apparently he gets, in the comics, he gets put into his consciousness gets put into a robot body, and I can't remember which movie it was. You see him just grabbing papers off the desk, and it's the drawing of it. And, you know, it's like

there's a lot of green computers, computer screens with green communication on it, and that's kind drawing of it. And, you know, it's like, there's a lot of like green computers, like computer screens with green communication on it. And that's like kind of what he's gone or, you know, he was like the screensaver on something, right? Or he was like the lock screen or something. So I don't know if that would qualify as like someone coming back and that's the rumor that's going. To me, that would be like a self-contained appropriate thing,

but not like, oh my God. It wouldn't be huge. No, not by any means. It would be like that would be cool it wouldn't be huge no not by any means it would be like oh cool zemo's back yeah or not zola yeah yeah but i mean yeah i mean if we're just gonna go down that rabbit hole and be like oh you know is it is it what's chris evans what's steve rogers doing in universe right now where is he nobody knows right and it's like he just watches his shield get used to fucking slay this guy in the streets. Old Cap, right? A horrific homicide.

Come on. He's got to be like. Now, with Old Cap, they definitely need to just make him young again the way when they were testing out the time travel and they made Ant-Man a baby. He sent time through him, not him through time or whatever. He's an old man. And he just goes and suits up in that thing. And they justof he's chris evans again right i mean like come on i was like what what is that for if not to make someone old young again i just didn't make any sense for them to show that you could definitely do it secret wars when they eventually want to

bring in secret wars and they want to bring cat back and they want to do an ai tony stark at the sewer however they want to do that is the actor or however they want to do that. Is the actor who plays the Black Captain America, is he CGI'd to look old or is he actually old? I think he's actually old. So you might have to get a different actor if you ever want to do a flashback sequence.

That's a show that I would be down for. If you want to do Disney+, Isaiah Bradley, the Black Captain America, show us that fight during the Korean War with Bucky. I'm so down for that. You couldn't give me, you couldn't give me too much Marvel content. I'm just like oversaturation.

Fuck you, Jimmy. No more, no more. I want it all because yeah, let's go. All right. Let's get into the hydro list.

AKA the sus list with Clem to close this episode out. Oh, I see a little bit of a anger in your voice, Rob. I can sense a little bit. Are you worried about what's going to come out here? All right. Sharon's three, again, satellites, graffiti tunnels, all that kind of stuff. Two, it's Yuri.

Who is Nakajima? Tell me who Nakajima is, and then I'll move along. But tell me who Nakajima is, Yuri. And number one, I mean, it's the guy that just bludgeoned someone to death with Captain America's shield in front of like hundreds of horrified onlookers in the middle of a city street.

I don't even think he's, he's probably just an asshole hardo, but at this rate, like it's hard not to do it. The guy literally has blood on his hands right now, right? So we're going to put him number one on this list. Hey, I'm happy Winter Soldier's off the list. He's a Winter Soldier. My guy is off the sus list.

We saw the Wakanda and stuff. Clem feels a little more comfortable with him. I'm glad the sus list is only three people, too, because he probably would have been fourth on Clem's list. He's on the sus watch list. He's number one on there. Because, again, when we see how it gets deprogrammed out of him, it's like, and I think they said Sherry had something to do with it.

So I feel like there was some technology. So I feel like that could be some sort of a thing where it's more than just some herbal fucking essence that they used on him. Herbal essence? Is that the shampoo that they used to put in? Yeah. That is tough if there was no technology involved. I thought the same thing. Like, all right, this is a little ayahuasca as brennan clancy referred to it as before you know i saw um i think screen crush did something where

they they um referenced uh civil war where um steve kind of has the the um shield in the same manner and i think tony says do it and and he hits him in the chest and he crushes the arc reactor instead of like decapitating him and obviously this guy does that but then he also went on to explain like don't forget at the end of that when he's walking out with bucky he drops the shield because he's like i have failed overall i think like what's going to further cement um walker as being like a bad guy not that he's not a bad guy right now but he's going to now try and spin this and be like well i had to do it he was bad you know and that's gonna be the main problem now if c rogers were to ever come back

that would be it where he'd be like listen you can make mistakes you can fail but you can't now represent and be like this is what we're about you can't like you know backtrack and justify it that's where even even steve when you know because yeah in civil war it's like who's the bad guy they're both good guys and they were just you know it's like brothers quarrel they're stubborn yeah right but steve judged himself as being like unworthy of that you know one of them knew about the other one's parents getting killed by his best friend well you listen you wouldn't want to know you wouldn't want to know you wouldn't want to know no to be fair what cap did was right i only lost half the universe that resulted in the guy dying and leaving a adorable kid behind without a father we're just gonna say that all right we're gonna everyone forget what you just heard for the last

10 seconds you know i had like so i would say what's the happiest animal it's a goldfish be a goldfish all right um i will say i would love for the final episode to feature an old steve rogers like actually giving sam the shield in almost a ceremony a presentation like he when they unveiled it at the museum like if they go back to the smithsonian and ladies and gentlemen i would like to present to you the new captain america and it's steve rogers not that fucking you know government fuck which by the way we haven't seen him since um someone brought this up maybe he is the start of like uh uh the iron wars is that what it's called the the don cheetle show the war machine show right armor wars i think it's called he gives don cheetle this

look in that first episode and don cheetle shoots it right back like they maybe have history and they don't like each other i could see that guy being like all right tony stark's dead too so let's fucking take the iron man suits and make those america's new weapons of mass destruction or whatever he refers to them as i could see him coming back in that show i am completely ready for a west wing style show that just follows steve rogers campaign to be president of the United States with no superheroes involved whatsoever. It's all the politics. It's West wing brings Sorkin in to do it again. Just give me more blip. Give me more like behind the scenes.

I want to show me the borders. How was the, how were the countries drawn up during the blip? I would need it all. Give me anything like a video game form or something like where I can like play and control the armies of it. And during set in the blip era would need it all give me in like a video game form or something like where i can like play and control the armies of it and during set in the blip era need all of it oh man oh thank you brian thanks for reminding me too like if they really sounded like the flag smashers when they were like people just needed each other at this time and i need to see like how it was

such like a downtime and the things people did to try to get together and i'm telling you you guys are going to become flex matches too. When you see just the, we were down on our luck. I'm going to put myself, I was alive. I survived the blip and it was, it was a tough time. You guys just weren't there. You wouldn't get, isn't that a meme now? You wouldn't get it.

You weren't there. Listen, we've gotten a ton of flashbacks. I would be cool with a Carly Morgenthau flashback. Let me see her happy during the blip. Let me see her helping out children during the blip or, you know, how it was, how things were. I'm super down for that. Or you see her like, you know, being oppressed, being, you know,

maybe held captive and then her captors just vanish. But then you, then you flash five years to the future and then like you hear another commotion and, you know, certain people are coming back and she's like, Oh no, you know this is the worst just in total fear and you could see maybe why she acted the way she did why she started this whole campaign why she became robin hood giving to the poor taking from the rich this has been a great episode though this has been a lot of fun brennan i'm happy that we were able to get you back on for episode four uh you did a great job with the

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