My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 124 - 'THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER' EPISODE 6 RECAP WITH CLE‪‪‪M

Episode Date: April 26, 2021

Robbie and Clem head down to the Basement to recap and break down ‘The Falcon and The Winter Soldier’ one last time, which was a little bittersweet! They discuss their in-depth thoughts on the show’s finale, what this all means for the next era and future of Marvel, they debate Johns vs Jons, and more shenanigans unfold. 3Chi: Use code MMB at checkout to receive 5% off at 3Chi.com HelloFresh: Use code 12robbie at HelloFresh.com/12robbie for 12 FREE MEALS! ONE on TNT IV this Wednesday at 10pm ET/PT! YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIeZ96PqdsJYQ7DFLRx6MHw/You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners. You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. We got a great finale, in my opinion. I have watched it twice now. I loved it both times. Both times, it really... The first time, I was really getting the tears flowing.

The second time, you know, I was just tearing up. But I loved it. What were your general thoughts on the finale of the falcon and the winter soldier uh so i i was fine with it i didn't love it i'm not gonna lie i think that's the one thing about i think we both we always a lot of times we do have differing viewpoints and i just i don't know what it was it just i don't want to say half bait it just felt like there was moments they could have added a little more gravitas to, I guess, or it's just,

it felt like half measures instead of full measure with some stuff. And again, this is the toughest part with Marvel content. I think we're going to have for the first few, I mean, shit, I was going to say like series, but it might be the first few years.

End game and infinity war hit on so many high levels. And even in like that period in between infinity war years end game and infinity war hit on so many high levels and even in like that period in between infinity war and end game which might have just been actually captain marvel was the only movie out but everything was just like well it's not really you know you just think of how they hit every single mark in those and it's almost impossible to do it but um i mean we'll get into all the stuff that happened there was a few big things that happened in this episode that i feel like maybe if they had eight episodes they could have kind of like hammered home maybe they don't need a hammer at home and that's kind of the stance they're taking is it's like we don't

need to spell it out for you the way we spelled it out for you in the origin stories in the early movies um but there were a few things where i'm just like oh wow so that happened and now here we are we're on to the next phase of these two characters here. And I thought there'd be a little more oomph to it. But again, that's coming, I think, going into the series too. You're a cap guy. I'm not a cap guy. So this might hit you in a different way for me, but as someone that is kind of on the outside looking in,

I thought I'd kind of get my hand held a little more going from different phases. So I do think there's kind of both sides. I know there's people out there that loved it. i know there's people out there that are kind of mad about it um but i saw some people disappointed yeah i saw some people saying this wasn't all it was made out to be uh who you know we didn't get any big cameos in this one which i was like man if you didn't learn your lesson in wandavision like these shows it seems they're taking the characters that were sort of in the background for the movies that didn't get much screen time. And they're giving us a reason to care about them leading into the next phase of the Marvel universe.

I think that's fair to say. That's a fair assessment of what WandaVision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier both were. And I'll say they did their jobs right for me in that I care way more about WandaVision, Falcon, and the Winter Soldier than I did leading into these shows. You know what I mean? So I really enjoyed it in that way. I will say, just like the WandaVision finale, I felt it was a little rushed. I felt like, give us a little more time in that finale, especially for a show just like WandaVision that has slow build to start.

They kind of, again, it's like you're writing a poster for a baseball game or a wrestling show and you start with the huge letters. they kind of again it's like you're writing a a poster for a baseball game or a wrestling show and you start with the huge letters and then by the end of the poster you're like we're gonna have to make this a little smaller they they sort of did that in the show i didn't think it was as bad or as noticeable as wandavision and wandavision wasn't bad at all it was just that final episode we felt was a little a little rushed but we can get right into it i mean i'm gonna do the three chiad but there's so much to talk about that i feel like we should just dive right in yeah and i i kind of want to have like agree with your point there i do think that there there was a lot and i think both these

shows kind of peaked in episode you know five ish four ish and i granted this was only a six series uh six episode series but i do feel like it kind of like you know went down then and again i do think there's a chance that kovid played a part in that because both these things i think you know i don't know how much of the post-production was done um with kovid but then there was also the storyline right that might have been a like a virus storyline or something like that so that might have and again we're going to get into this stuff during the episode i'm going to say parts that I felt like were a little rushed. But it definitely felt like they could have done at least another episode and kind of slowly like hammered home all the points just like in WandaVision.

But again, these are – I'd say tier three characters in the MCU, at least what they were in the old MCU. Now, I mean fucking like four of those tier one guys are just gone or, you know, going to take a little bit of a, a pause here. But I, I agree. It was very posterish where it's just like, Oh shit,

we got to fit the S at the end. We can kind of get it. And it's not quite, I was going to say, it's like the, the old meme where it's like the horse where it's like, looks incredible in the beginning. They're not at the end,

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We get the Marvel intro right up front. We see Carly. She's the first person we see in New York City. They're executing the plan. Remember at the end of the last episode, we saw the room went red and, you know, they're trying to stop the GRC from expanding on this vote or shutting down the borders here. And New York City is on full lockdown. We see the NYPD. And this just got me jazzed up because I think we've talked about it before. Anything in New York, just as a New Yorker, gets you excited. When you recognize a building you've seen, when you recognize, like, oh, the Freedom Tower was in the background for so much of this episode. I was like, all right, this is fucking happening down the street. I could close my eyes. If I take enough 3C, I could pretend it's happening live. And this is just a live feed. Speaking of 3C, I know another partaker in 3g our boy devin he i remember when we when we first moved to you know the old hq and he would pass the flat iron building he's like i

just get to pass the spider-man building every day and he just like was in love with that and it is one of those things i do feel like in the mcu version of new york the rent has to be much cheaper right because like there's always a catastrophe being done by supervillains it's really messed up i mean the after the thanos um invasion all right i'm excuse me that's a thanos the loki invasion i guess we can call it i mean thanos was behind it like at that point that's when everyone's moving up to the suburbs with me and the price it was like 9-11. It was way down. Everyone's like negotiating with their realtors to try to get it down the next lease or whatever.

That's like when COVID, when it went down after COVID. Could you imagine that? Yeah. Oh, my God. I live near the Grand Central place too. Like sometimes when I take an Uber to work, we drive over the spot where they do the big circle in front of Grand Central every time, you know, of course, as a nerd, I get a little goosebumps. It's a, that's a goosebumps moment. I, I don't think I've seen the first Avengers movie. I might've seen it once at home. So that's going to have to be a rewatch at some point because, uh, yeah,

that, cause that is, yeah, that is a, that is a legitimate goosebumps moment there. I'd say maybe two times, but, uh, that was again, once the kids hit, that's when legitimate goosebumps moment there i'd say maybe two times but uh that was again once the kids hit that's when just you know all free time went out the window real quickly uh but yeah that's an there's so many cool spots in new york i i i will feel i will say like it was also kind of weird what there was how many of the infinity stones were in was it three in new york in endgame right it was uh there's the time stone which was on bleaker street with dr strange yep there was no no it was endgame it was the uh sorcerer supreme right yep then the the staff loki staff and then the tesseract so there's literally like i love marvel we have to start expanding the mcu like let's just not keep hitting

us new yorkers. It's not right. I understand it's the greatest city in the world, all that mumbo-jumbo. But stop fucking destroying our buildings. How much is a one-bedroom apartment? It has to be like $600 now. It's like, I'm just going to get murdered by an alien. What is it? Alien wizards?

What was the line? Androids. Androids, yeah. And you have to have insurance for all that, too. So then that has to fuck everything up. bueno stop attacking my city mcu i wonder if you bastard civilians would turn against the superheroes like stop living in the city like we don't want you here because they attack you like dr strange get out of the sanctum sanctorum we don't want you on bleaker street imagine he gets evicted i think we just came up with a storyline for a future marvel

movie or at least a tv show bob at least at least give us an episode that's realistic enough for the mcu to at least bring it up as like you know a concern that somebody has like you know one person's like i don't like that they live in our neighborhood oh my god can you yeah like all like the um tabloid journalists and stuff like that like jay jonah jameson or whatever like someone like keep these superheroes out of our city there it's a magnet for wizards androids and aliens um so we see falcons almost there he's almost at the the place where the grc vote is happening bucky's on the ground sharon takes her face off she was like a man it was mission impossible style where they have like the actual print of someone's face and she takes that off she's made it to new york for madripoor and the flag smashers throw gas into the room where the vote's happening go

all these gas grenades falcon bursts in through the window at this point in his full captain america suit we see the full vibranium red white and blue suit in its full glory i thought it looked amazing it's very comics accurate it's like exactly how it looks in the comic books and someone says who the hell are you and he says i'm captain america like right off the bat they I thought it looked amazing. It's very comics accurate. It's like exactly how it looks in the comic books. And someone says, who the hell are you? And he says, I'm Captain America. Like right off the bat. They don't make you wait for it in the finale. They're like, all right, you're going to get a full episode of Falcon being Captain America,

doing cool Captain America shit, using the shield. He says it's a misdirect. Everyone's got to stay inside. They want you to leave the building. So let's get inside. And then GSP shows up. We saw him in the last episode. You know, he was hired by Carly or so we thought.

And they get into a fight outside. What do you think of the new Captain America suit? I'll throw it right to you and ask you what you thought. It was cool. I liked it. This is something that's great because I know you didn't like the last Falcon suit. Yeah, huge, huge upgrade over the Falcon suit. This is the problem with Falcon, though, in general, that I realized when I was like, oh, that's a sweet suit.

That headgear, it's just a tough headgear. He needs to Star Lord it so then when he's not flying around, it just disappears because he just looks like a fucking nerd. And look, guy with glasses on sings. He looks like a nerd with those goggles on he just he looks nerdy and he has it on and he's like talking he has this like demeanor about him and i'm like falcon come on man just ditch like captain america doesn't have to wear goggles it just feels weird all right and this is a guy like maybe in the next captain america movie because we did get confirmation after this finale dropped that that's what it's leading into captain america

four and it will be starring anthony mackie as sam wilson which i think is pretty badass but maybe in the next one he'll discover tony stark's nanotech like he'll go meet up with pepper something get a loan and then discover the nanotech and be like oh can i use some of that poor poor fucking falcon's gonna literally have to take out a loan to buy a suit at this point no one's gonna give him anything if he's gonna let any kind of technology he's gonna pay for himself pepper help the man out happy who else can we like i mean the wakandans are the only people the wakandans are doing more for captain america than america is doing for captain america it's what credit to them at this point they said at the end of black panther we're gonna expand we're gonna give vibranium to the world all right

you're holding up your end of the bargain there in the words of stew finer promises made promises kept promises delivered i don't know mulch is here there's a lot of different stew finer phrases in my head at all given times rattling around in my brain i also liked i also found it interesting how like they kind of um carly was like oh he's here they were very it was very foul excuse me cap centric right where yeah they're it seemed like he was their main focus for a lot of the time I did think it was uh a little interesting how they just happened to be right where he burst in through the window again it's Hollywood I get it all this was all to me Batman vibes like I got such Batman vibes from like oh he's here like you see oh he's the Gotham City goons. Like, oh, there's the bat and shit like that.

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So that was our subscription begging for this episode. This is the one thing I will say to any future superheroes that realize there's a misdirection where they're trying to get the hostages out of the building. Be like, it's like Die Hard. It's like Die Hard. They want you out of the building. Don't do it. And then everyone will just be like, oh, and then you just reverse course. So that's all I have to say.

I'm going to bring it back to Die Hard at all times when I can. They needed Tom Holland to show up, which basically that should be his territory in New York, right? I don't know if he was on a field trip during this or what. But he should have showed up and been like, oh, it's just like Die Hard. He's the one to make the pop culture reference. Someone hands a phone to Bucky in all of this chaos. And speaking of Die Hard, it's a bit of a diehard three moment because carly is on the other end she's the one that wants to talk to him and she accuses him of never fighting for anything bigger than himself which is a bit ironic considering he fought against the nazis in world war ii but he says listen you don't want to do this you're going to remember every single

person you killed and he said that with a bit of weight behind it where you could tell he's thinking of everyone he killed as he says it and she says thanks for picking up my call he realizes he was really just being distracted while a bunch of senators were being loaded into corrupt nypd vans sharon bumps into one of them and then kills him with what she calls mercury vapor it looked like acid and it was i mean uh pretty violent or not even violent just vicious disgusting kill his face was like melting off and burning and that's when you're like oh you're probably the power broker because that that's not shit that good guys do i mean sarah's lived on the sus list once i saw that i was like we're not even gonna hire anymore like tip of the cap i don't know about you i've always been

terrified of mercury like i remember yeah like remember when we had thermometers as kids, that's what it was, like little mercury. And I remember if it breaks, this will happen. Or if like a drop of mercury went into a water system, it would fucking pollute the whole thing. Apparently your entire body melts off. Your face turns to fucking rubble and it's just a nightmare. So yeah, I'm even more scared of mercury

than I was before the weekend, which I didn't think was even possible because it scared the shit out of me as a kid. I would have loved it. bear um so yeah i'm i'm even more scared of mercury than i was before the weekend which i didn't think was even possible because it scared the shit out of me as a kid um i would have loved it if they just played like a prank on bucky because he's really an old man right like bucky is really an old man he's like almost 100 years old if they're like uh bucky your refrigerator's running okay you goddamn kid seymour butts there? Oh, he just throws some old Bart Simpson moans, pranks at him. That would be incredible too.

But it was one of those things where I like how they try to take him off the field, just like they try to take Scarlet Witches off of the field in the beginning. And it's kind of like, oh, a little bit of respect to Bucky. So that was cool. i also bucky like he fought the nazis and he fought thanos like give the guy a little bit put some respect on his name here god damn it like if he didn't fight thanos

or you know it wasn't just him that was responsible but if he wasn't part of that group and fought thanos carly's not there because the world isn't there. Carly might be like, well, if you didn't fight Thanos, I mean, it still would have been a snap and everything would still be pretty fucking cool right now. Fought him twice. Had to fight him twice. Had to fight him twice.

All the while, Sam is still upstairs fighting GSP. They're getting into a pretty cool fight scene where he drops the shield. You could see he's still getting used to using it. He even throws it at one point. GSP throws a chair at it, and it fucking makes the shield drop. And I was like, really? An office chair is going to make that thing drop?

All of physics, but it is what it is. He eventually gets to show off some tricks, some new Captain America Falcon tricks, where he abandons the fight with GSP. He throws the shield out the window and then flies after it, catches up with it, catches it, which was badass. And he's chasing these two helicopters. They've got hostages inside. Red Wing flies up to one of them.

He sees that one of them has in-flight training. So we start hatching a plan with her. This was pretty badass. And I thought just the throwing the shield out the window and then flying after it was one of the coolest things we saw in the episode so this goes back into what i said last episode when he kept practicing off the trees and i was like it's not always gonna be that easy and then a fucking desk chair knocked it down i was like i told you it wasn't gonna be and look when when you're trying something new that's very important you know i probably told the same like five jokes when i

first got hired at barstool because I knew they worked and whatever. He's going to be doing that fucking dive down to catch the shield so many times. We may not see it in whatever he's in next Captain America 4 or whatever, but that is going to be his move because it's just like do what you know and don't do anything else. You can't just hit shit off the trees. You don't have the Steve Rogers training where you can play all the angles and stuff like that.

I will say this, though, and this is going to be tough here. Captain America might get canceled. Did you hear all those French jokes he was throwing around there? That doesn't play in 2020. What is it, 23 at this point? Yeah, in the Marvel Universe, I think it's 2023. Yeah, I mean, shit, it's bad now in 21. I can't imagine what it's like two years from now.

He's a little cultured. He's learning languages. He just spent some time in Europe, you know? He's it's bad now in 21. I can't imagine what it's like two years ago. He's cultured. He's learning languages. He just spent some time in Europe, you know? He's just talking some shit in his language. I think the French are, like, the one people that still are allowed to be made fun of. Like, that was always the thing as a kid. It was like they were the cowards. They were this.

They were that. And by the way. They eat snails, right? Everyone always brought that up about them. Yeah, they always did. Wait till I flag. They had the worst army. All this kind of stuff.

Les Mis sucked. I didn't like that movie it sucked and they they they could you know we're not gonna we're not gonna get canceled yeah listen if we got listeners in france we're sorry that was that was unnecessary that's all ricochet shots this is very very extremely unnecessary i'm just saying like a black captain america has a lot challenges. Don't get the cancel culture going against you two. That's a fucking seven-front war. We know the French could have won that war, by the way. Actually, you know what? I'm not going to make that joke. No more pressure. Listen, we

love the French. We love the French. The puning the people in armored cars, that was Dark Knight vibes as well. I actually wrote that in my notes. When he's flying in the hudson and uh cap it's gonna be really hard it's gonna be really hard not to call him falcon can we agree on that it is because i wrote it a couple times you know i watched the episode once just playing

like a fan and then i watch it and write down everything that's happening in order so i could kind of follow along with this whole thing and I kept writing Falcon I kept being like no I can't write it he I gotta give him the respect he's fucking Captain America I all right so for the rest of this episode I think I'm calling him I think I'm calling him Falcon America I just I can't because again it's one of those things they didn't give you that big moment he says it up front which I do appreciate I appreciate we didn't have to like wait for the suit that was one thing I hated about all the old Godzilla movies. You'd never see Godzilla.

He'd pop in after an hour of bad character building of human characters. They gave you the suit. He said he's Captain America. I appreciate all that, but I never got that moment, which we'll get into as we go on. It's either Falcon America, Captain Falcon. I feel like Falcon America works. Falcon America is kind of badass

i don't hate that at all it's not what you say they they gave us the suit right up front i thought of the rise of skywalker weirdly when i saw the suit i was like thank god we're getting a full episode with the suit seeing its full capability seeing him use you know the jetpack and the shield combined he was kind of like pushing people with it that was cool and i thought of the rise of skywalker because they give ray what i think is a really cool lightsaber at the end the yellow one that turns on in a way we've never seen but we never get to see her use it and that was a little bittersweet for me i'm like why don't you give her the fucking lightsaber at the beginning of the movie and let us have a full movie letting her go wild so i kind of thought about that and i was like hey they did it right they

gave us a full 45 minutes of the new captain america now that you bring up star wars and just all the the stuff they didn't give us and the fatigue as i just think about and all the things like in 10 years is when they would probably start bringing stuff like that back i'm like you know what this episode wasn't so bad it was actually we scratched our back a little bit they took care of it um but when he says again like the french stuff was like there were some corny french jokes and he says a little birdie told me you know how to fly a helicopter i'm like oh red wings a little birdie yeah yeah yeah he's learning how to be a superhero and part of the superhero is being a little corny with it right so and especially in america yeah captain america if you're gonna be a corny superhero if you're gonna make dad jokes captain america is the superhero to do that so

exactly he gets a pass on that we cut to the flag smashers and carly and carly is getting more and more extreme as we get closer and closer to the vote where she says she wants to kill the hostages doesn't really care about them the flag smashers are like whoa i don't think we're going to kill them she's like no it doesn't matter it doesn't it doesn't matter if they die it doesn't matter if we die i think it's fine if we all die and the looks on their faces tell us that they're in on this they're gonna follow her but they're not as passionate about it as she is um sam fucking drop kicks one of the helicopters and then shields himself and a few of uh the people on the bridge with his wings from the explosion another very badass use of the suit badass use of the people on the bridge with his wings from the explosion.

Another very badass use of the suit. Badass use of the vibranium. Bucky hits an all-time clothesline using the motorcycle over a barricade. That was incredible. The stunt coordinator on this show, I think he's the same guy in The Mandalorian. That's like he does the whole Marvel Universe. Does The Mandalorian does this. He deserves a race he shields himself uh with his arm from the flag smashers of course um and just kind of fucks all of them up carly lights a truck on fire with the hostages in it as a diversion

and then john walker shows up for carly you had to see it coming but the way he says morgan thau just another one like when he said lamar like when he said morgan it just pissed me off i was like oh it's fucking john walker all right john walker and there's no h and john too which makes i like it's a little different it's that is it j-o-n i think it's just a j-O-N Walker. Oh, wow. I didn't even realize that. And I am too scared to call out the H-less Johns out here because there's probably going to be a lot of people I'm going to bum out. Let's see. Is it John Walker? Let's see. John Walker.

I think John Levitz has an H-less John. Oh, no. He has an H. Okay. So this John has an H. That's a tough one for the John H's because I feel like they kind of have the leg up. The Johns with an H, they kind of look down upon the Johns without an H right it's like uh there there's also I look down on people that spell Robbie with a Y I'll be completely honest yeah we've been over

this remember we're like don't you dare put in that promo code with a fucking Y yeah we will fucking murder you um it's and then I remember uh because I know a few connors on twitter obviously our boy captain cons we got the new jersey mick we got a couple other connors and there's a big two n versus one n with the connors right mcgregor uses one n and this is this is how i decide what is the official you know name like in this case connor what is the official connor one in or two whoever the most famous and revered Connor Or person of that name in that moment That's the way it's spelled right now it's been

Connor McGregor for years now But if there's you know fucking Some other Connor McDavid Yeah Connor McDavid comes out and McGregor you know he retires McDavid You know wins whatever the fuck they call the The Lady Bing trophy I don't know what the hell they call it Um shout out to me for even knowing the lady bing show yeah it's pretty good that's so i feel like

john like the name john right now it's probably who would you say is the biggest john in the world right now john cena john cena wow john mayor i have a john cena thing like right on my wall i just looked and it was john cena so that's why I said that. If I put in the name John, who's the first? I mean, I guess that's the first Google result is the hottest John in the world right now, right? Yeah. Number one, John. John the Apostle.

No, John Cena. John Cena. Wow. But that's with an H, and then the John's, the champion of the John's is? John Cryer. John Favreau. Oh, that's a tough one. Look, this is tough to miss out on while I'm wearing this, ain't it? Oh, wow. Yeah. And we're in the basement too. Oh, that's right. But listen, at least we know John Walker spells it with the H John Favreau spells it without the H.

So it's like a good and a bad, it's like a light and dark side right there it's like all right actually right now at this moment i think maybe we lean with the jons and listen you guys you guys know the twitters hit us up if you who's like the biggest h john who's the biggest you know no h john and we will put them at a test to see who the kings of the johns are we should do we should do like a survivor series like five on five and we'll debate what john team is better and then we need people in the comments people in the comments curate a bunch of johns for us and we're going to choose five johns that spell it j-o-n and five johns that spell it j-o-h-n and we'll debate um on a future episode of my moss basement which Jon team is superior. Hashtag Jon fight.

Did you see that thing? The Josh fight that went on? You know, when I first saw it, I didn't read it all the way. I just saw the video and I was pissed off, Clem. I was like, who didn't invite me to this fucking thing? Because it looks like a blast. People are dressed up as Spider-Man, as Chewbacca. They have lightsabers.

I'm like, how did I not get the invite to this thing? It's because it's people that are exclusively named josh so listen we're going to do a john fight curate a bunch of johns your favorite johns put them in the comments below king of the johns and we're going to spell a j-o-w-n-s so then we're not taking product in the john fight and then you guys decide how that who who wears the crown which version of the name so maybe it should be, maybe it should be Johns versus Johns versus Jones, which is just people from Philly. Yeah. There's people from Philly. There's a road in there.

There was Smitty. He threw a fucking Donovan McNabb, even though he has, he's been retired for years, but he's always in the mix. But yeah, that was, that took quite a different tangent there,

but that, see, that's that asshole Lamar and Morgenthau. He's just such a schmuck. And I don't know if it's the chin that gives him those sounds but he just has just the worst that shield is laugh out loud funny i actually i have to admit i'm starting to like him in like a laughing at him kind of way i mean it looked like a cookie sheet it was like venting left and right it's like homer simpson man come on man

you're supposed to be you got captain america i'm not really worried about america in this in the mcu because they they chose him as captain america like fucking steve rogers would have built that thing you know he would have probably invented vibranium he's just like a fucking like tough guy smart he's resourceful this guy fucking like you said he took a cookie sheet and he painted it what the fuck is wrong with him put his badge on there it's like all right dude you can fuck it all right i i the first tweet i saw in the morning when i woke up and i hadn't seen at this point was like oh clem i bet you're like really embarrassed about the way the flag smashers were i mean i think the flag smashers

like carly like went off the deep end the rest of the flag smashers were like mean i think the flag smashers like carly like went off the deep end the rest of the flag smashers were like dude these are human beings here where you can't like hurt human beings i i mean obviously they had a very crazy plan involved but uh i i was i was pretty proud of the way the flag smashers held like didn't go i when i saw that i was like oh man the flag smashers did some fucking shit shit. I was really terrified. No, yeah. And even, I mean, we'll get to it later, obviously. But when Sam gives his big speech in front of everybody, there's a little redemption with Carly Morgenthau in there.

Like, he lets them know, like, hey, she was fighting for something she believed in. And, you know, you got to look at it from both sides. So, I mean, we'll get to it later. But the Flag Smashers, by the end of this, and I saw some some tweets after the episode saying like what wasn't super happy with their development felt like we didn't get a ton of them i thought they were very good villains for what they needed to be in this show um i thought obviously considering they probably got storylines cut because they apparently had some biochemical warfare and they it was too close to covet but the scene between carly and sam in that church was amazing you got to feel her side she had shades of gray i mean she made even me by one episode i

was like all right the flag smashers i could see where they're coming from i see their point and that's what i want my villains i want my villains the best villains don't think that they're villains at all and that was the flag smashers they definitely thought they were doing the right thing throughout this series yeah and i i thought we were going to get more of the flag smashers if i thought they were going to be around in a a key part a key cog of this phase of the mcu i don't think that's going to be the case i think they probably made their point i i again anything that grc like stopped their vote at the end they made a point to say like hey you must have done something right isaiah said you must have done something right because the grc stopped their vote so

the flag smashers you know basically got what they wanted yeah exactly the flag smashers were born out of the blip which we are very pro blip people we don't like all the chaos it caused but i mean it's fucking infinity war and endgame we're so awesome anytime they referenced i i again we've said it we said it with brendan um the more blip material or material that somehow has like just a a drop of blip content from the beginning we're a hundred percent in and um and then the other thing was when the truck is up there and the fires are going were you almost like where's spider-man because that was that felt very spider-man i'm like when a truck is about to fall spider-man's the guy that comes and he throws his webs and you know uses the super strength to keep it up and i was almost like and i didn't honestly think we were going to get peter parker

coming in i thought it would have been awesome don't get me wrong i actually did think we were going to get um the door malaje in this moment i don't know why because they took zemo away like they obviously their story was tied up in the last episode but there was just a little part of me like is someone gonna come save the day it could it be like the dora milaje are they gonna save john walker in some way i don't we didn't get that obviously i think that's just more set up for i think they'll probably be a big part of black panther 2 and uh the wakanda show they were a huge part of black panther one so dora milaje was like all right we we got Nemo, peace. Good luck fighting those freedom fighters

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use the promo code 12 Robbie. You'll get free shipping and 12 free meals. Let's get back into the show. So the Flag Smashers kind of start fucking Walker up right away. Like we said, his shield sucks, so it didn't provide much cover for him. And he's getting, you know, those flashes of, like, almost the PTSD vibes. When you see that in war movies, that's what it looked like. He's looking at his shield. He's looking at his badge. And then bucky saves him from being killed it looks like he's

about to be killed because i think it's carly or another flag smasher takes a big parking meter and is about to like stab him with it or something uh he fights carly then in the street sam wilson gets uh to make this plan with the hostage like you said in red wing where he's like you're gonna pull up on this i'm gonna throw a shield at it and he fucking it's like a one of those throws that soccer players do where it's like you got to do it over your head he launched the shield at it like that it was awesome and then the hostage does pull up he gets the enemies in it and we cut back to walker now he starts fucking carly up carly starts running away from him and she goes into the scaffolding another one of my favorite parts of the episode she fucking hit from him and she goes into the scaffolding another one

of my favorite parts of the episode she fucking hit a 619 on him in the scaffolding shout out to my man ray mysterio uh i just thought that was awesome she gets in a car when he you know she hits the 619 he stumbles back she gets in the car with hostages and she goes to run it off this cliff into the construction zone where bucky is down there fighting another flag smasher um so she does that walker sees it and then sees okay i could go after carly right now or i could save the hostages and they made the decision to make walker make the decision to go after the hostages and save them and he said we see the shield fall to the ground you look up walker is carrying this he's pulling this uh car back up kind of

something that steve rogers would do you know he would flex the muscle or something like he does in civil war and the flag smashers attack him then the car falls anyway because walker falls with him and cap has it sam is holding it he's got the jet pack he actually hits that pinball shield shot that you said he would never be able to hit off the trees. He hits a bunch of flag smashers all at once with it. I was like, there he is fucking.

He made Clemmy his words on that one. And GSP comes back and shoots a bunch of smoke grenades in the area. Everyone scatters. We see though, John Walker, they're giving him shades of gray up to the very end. You know, it looks like by the end of the series,

he'll probably lean on the villain side. If you're going to say face or heel, it's probably going to be heel, but he's got elements of being a tweener. He's saving hostages. There is a part of him that thinks he's good. It just would have been a lot easier if he just went the dickhead route. And I do appreciate it though, because I do as much as I like my villains to have in,

to believe they're good. I want my heroes to have some villain i like to have all i don't i like to know what's not coming next right and that is that's always been a cool part of i think when wrestling started doing that back in the attitude era and you know excuse me like you know tony soprano and heisenberg and all the the anti-heroes or whatever they call them i do like a little bit more of that coming into the mcu which back in the comic books i feel like everything was very black and white this guy's a villain this guy's a hero and i think we're going to get into a group of villains that could become here you know a heroish down the road um carly you dealt with this guy you know he's

probably juiced out of his mind he's a fucking schmuck saying his best friend who you just murdered his life doesn't matter you can't do that carly you just yeah she said i didn't mean to kill anyone that didn't matter come on man that's good you know what that is though that's like she's a young girl she don't know how the world works she don't know that that was just a completely inappropriate thing to say that's that's a teenager for you yeah i guess that's the best way to put it because like if she was trying to like piss him off that worked perfectly but i can't imagine she was looking to like get the dude who ordered he has like serious anger issues he's basically like andy bernard in the office before he goes to like counseling right he like puts his fucking fist in

the wall so um she she deserved that entire ass kicking she got uh and i love this was something i i think they had done earlier in the season i love the whistle code that they have yeah so flag smashers whistle code it was let's like let's work on one of those down there like i feel like handshakes are going to kind of like secret handshakes are going to kind go away with COVID. I think we need to have a whistle code, Bob, me and you. Like, oh, we're going to record tonight? So we'll work on that. Hit it across the office

if nerd news breaks, but we don't want the jocks to fucking shove us in a locker. We can hit it, you know? It's like, oh! Oh, I thought it was DC. No, MCU News. We've got to do this right now i'm also an excellent whistler an excellent whistler an excellent whistler bob i'm telling

you top i'd say honestly top five percent of humanity that's where i stand whistling wow frankie pirelli a big whistler he loves hitting a good whistle does he this when you're when your life is going good and just be able to whistle, like whistle Dixie basically, I guess is like the phrase. I fucking, I think that's the highest I am. If anyone ever sees me whistling, I am on one at that point. I am in good vibe land at that point. So shout out to all the whistlers out there. I absolutely love whistling.

At this point, everyone heads underground and this is where shit gets real. So Sharon splits up from the group right away and and you're like, oh, fuck, here we go. Shit's about to go down. Some amazing cinematography in this scene. There was a scene in particular where Sam steps out and just stands there for a second with the shield, and you see him with the shadowy background. It was badass. And Sharon hits that whistle we're talking about to Carly.

We don't know who it is. And neither does Carly. And it gets closer. It's Sharon all along. They both draw weapons. They both point their guns at each other. And Sharon says, come back and work for me. What are you doing? You're like, oh, you motherfucker.

You're disgracing your aunt, Sharon. Oh my God. Especially as a cap guy. I'm like fucking Peggy Carter was the perfect woman. And you're disgracing the family name. But Carly says, listen, you just want me back because you've got no power. How much power does the power broker have if she don't have super soldiers? And she says, still more than you.

And GSP walks out. GSP was not hired by Carly. She was hired by Sharon. Double-crossed Carly. This is perfect. We knew we were coming into a spy espionage show. That's how the third act of every Mission Impossible movie, every James Bond movie,

they always have a double-cross of some sort. On the good side, on the villain side, doesn't matter. A double-cross has to happen. And GSP, Batroc, or whatever his name is, Bartroc, he says, fuck this. This is crazy. Everything about this. I want four times what you were originally going to pay me. You owe me four times what you were originally gonna pay me you

owe me four times what you originally gonna pay me i think he even draws a weapon at this point and sharon says i don't do blackmail fucking shoots him right away carly shoots her right away now bucky and walker we cut to and they had worked together with the flag smasher app which we both shout out we were like it looks like good app. And they said it was a good app. They tracked down the remaining Flag Smashers. They put them in vans. This was incredibly intense. And you know when Sharon is shot and Carly's standing over her,

that this is not going to be a swell scene to walk into. First of all, that app probably has five stars. I mean, it can't be on, like, the App Store. It's probably on, like, the Dark Web App Store. But shout out to, like, the software developers that everyone forgets about the barstool app the barstool app and then the barstool sportsbook app i can't believe that is part of the same company that couldn't even keep a website up like three years ago let alone five six seven eight years ago the internet in the office is still by far the worst internet I've ever dealt with. Like when I do a podcast with KFC, he drops immediately,

and he's in an office of an internet company. It's unbelievable. So shout out to whoever made that app. You guys are the real MVP. Big time body shot episode where people just getting shot in the bodies. I kind of dug that. That was just a theme. The other thing is like dude four

times as much and then what is she just gonna pay you like that and like hit the venmo i i thought that was kind of like a weird way he didn't think that through that see listen mma fighters not the most educated people oh bob i know we have some crossover on here you don't want to get thrown into the octagon by a listener i'm not saying I'm not saying all MMA people, but just a general rule of thumb. If you fall in the cage, you're probably not a Harvard grad. Fair enough. Fair enough. Sharon is the queen of the side look.

She does that little side look. That's sus city. You have to see her do it once. You're like, oh, you're the power broker. I told you that right away. She just loves doing the side look. And we'll get into it obviously as the episode you know finishes i i don't even need to hear how what you know what was the moment she decided she was

gonna you know turn against the government or turn against everyone you went to fucking madripoor you were stuck like living hiding from your own government for like the wrong reasons sharon i'm not even gonna give you shit for being the power broker I would have probably done the same thing if I was even like one one million smart enough or like had enough survival skills to make it that long so Sharon you're gonna probably do a lot of wretched shit to good people down the road but I'm not gonna have any problem with you at all for what you do here and it is a rough scene though when you're walking in it just my girl Carly just just a tough look all around tough look standing over her shot and all that um sam does walk in on this he fights carly but

really uses pure defense she's screaming at him saying fight me please fight me he's just using the shield in this he kind of pushes her with it and she knocks him down at one point she says stay down and they let it sit for a moment where you think almost he's going to say, I could do this all day, but he just hits a no. And maybe that's his version of it. I want to shout out, while we're talking about this fight scene, One Championship has been putting on amazing fights each and every week. Last week, they had great fights.

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Remember, the best fights are on Wednesday nights. But then Carly finally draws a gun on sam she's just i think scared about this whole thing and then sharon fucking shoots carly just as she's about to shoot sam it was a whole you know the office thing with the bucket we all got guns drawn against each other and carly dies sam's arms literally right there it's kind of emotional he carries her out and just in his arms in front of the reporters in front of the cops in front of everybody seen very similar to batman arkham city the joker dies in that game and batman walks out with him in that same pose you know gives him to commissioner gordon

this was emotional and the reporters out there ask him a ton of questions and he walks right up to the senator sam does and he says do you still plan on closing those borders? And they said, yep. The terrorists only set us back a little bit. He says, you got to stop calling them terrorists. If you're going to make any change in this world, the labels like terrorist, thug, criminal, everyone has a common struggle right now, right? He said, that's what's going to bind us. These people were fighting for a cause they believe in.

Carly died for what she believed in. You got to start asking why why did she die why did these people follow her why did so many people believe in her because they were all put down and he kind of shoots back and he's like so what like all the people that blipped back and now they're supposed to be homeless because they got people living in their house and sam was like no we're supposed to all work together from that we're supposed to not look at them as terrorists and cast them aside let's talk about this let's figure out a plan he gave a very meta speech at that point where he said listen i know what this is about because the guy says you don't know the struggle he says i don't know the struggle i'm a fucking black man carrying the stars and stripes he says i know everyone watching this right now

50 are probably mad i know some people are probably judging me as I speak. And that I was like, he's kind of talking through the screen right there. Like people are probably mad that there is a black captain America right there. So Isaiah, we cut to him. He's watching it on television and he's obviously getting emotional watching it. The freedom tower was amazingly put in the background. I'm sure they didn't actually shoot this in New York. So it was probably CGI in the background i'm sure they didn't actually shoot this in new york so it's probably cgi'd in the background but it was great framing of the freedom tower and especially not the empire state building because that's your enemy fuck that that's one of clumb's biggest enemies it's a long story we won't get into it that happened in

budapest we'll get into it one day um and he said tells the ben the senator straight up he says do a better job and step up he walks away bucky has a great line where he's like listen i was texting i didn't really hear it i just heard black captain america black guy in a captain america suit and calls him cap he says i'm proud of you cap or great job cap or something and that was just nice we get the flag smashers being transported and they're they're going to the raft, they say. And then we cut to Zemo's butler, and he blows the cars up. I didn't even realize it was Zemo's butler at first. The first watch, I didn't know who this was, and I was like, this is a fucking new character that I got to worry about.

I looked it up afterwards. It's, of course, Zemo's butler. Giving him the last laugh, they cut to him in prison, like, reading a book and smiling. He hears it on the radio. And then we cut to Elaine. I'm not gonna call her her real name we're gonna call her elaine just like we said last week and she's sitting there with john walker's wife they're like what are they doing in there she jokes actually that she did the bombing she's like maybe i planned it no i'm just kidding or am i um just perfect acting from julia louise dreyfus exactly like we said like this is what we want out of her in the MCU.

She delivered in this scene just as much as she did it in the last scene. And then Walker comes out in a very comic book accurate U.S. agent suit. It's black. It's got the stars and stripes on it anyway. And she says things are about to get weird. And when they do, we don't need a Captain America. We need a U.S. agent. He says, I'm back.

He's incredibly happy she actually gives him the name and that things are about to get weird was another line that felt meta didn't it where it was like we're about to get weird with the marvel cinematic universe we're going to fucking loki land next so it's gonna get really weird really quick i like how she was kind of keeping her off balance too about did i do it like she might have played a fucking hand in it like totally still i don't know yeah i don't know i still i'm still not sure i love zemo's butler that guy that guy is gonna end up being my favorite character from here is in the long run i'm telling you right now i could just that's my um

lobot basically right which i by the way i think lobot was in the bad batch or someone sent me a screenshot i don't know if it was actually low by himself or someone who just looked like him. But I was like, we got low by involved with this. So antennas up, Bob, we might've.

I mean, Dave Filoni is behind the bad batch. Let's not forget about that. He's the guy bringing in, bringing in the characters like low by. That's huge. When she went and when she said it's probably the helmet, which was taking him so long,

I was saying like, that must be the worst part of being captain america's you have to get the eyes just right because if you weren't a mask right it's like if the eyes are off you're in a mask even a hockey helmet that was always my least favorite part of playing hockey it was just like getting that helmet around your head putting it on the next year as you're growing up and then it's like oh this helmet's too tight on my big head now you got a migraine by the end of the game i'm sure that the first helmet the captain america war is probably fucking too tight on yeah exactly exactly um i i the so the speeches and all that kind of stuff first of all first of all let me just say this falcon excuse me falcon america

saying uh don't call them terrorists my guys my i'm not gonna say my guys anymore the flex smashers not being called terrorists by the falcon america feels like a win feels like redemption that's some redemption for sure if and again everyone has their their struggles in life and they're doing what they can do uh and this is the thing i this is why i don't want to call him captain america it just didn't feel like we had a captain amer America moment where it's like, all right, this is Captain America. Maybe it's going to be that kind of way now where it's like, again, you don't – a lot of these guys, they don't have the superhero names, right?

It's like we said with Brendan Clancy again. It's like these guys are just called their names and that's like, all right, but you are Captain America. Steve Rogers only called himself Steve Rogers, right, which was kind of the nice part about it, which is separated him from John Walker who basically refused to be called anything but Captain America. Steve Rogers only called himself Steve Rogers, right? Which was kind of the nice part about it, which is separated him from John Walker, who basically refused to be called anything but Captain America, even though he fucking was in the boots for like a minute.

So I just thought it was kind of weird that we didn't have like this ceremony and pop. I'm a big pop from circumstance guy. I love opening day. I like the bunting up there. I like all that kind of stuff. They didn't have that with this Captain America, but maybe that's just the way they're going, which is very, again, that's a little Batman-y, bunting up there i like all that kind of stuff they didn't have that with this captain america but maybe that's just the way they're going which is very again that's a little batman-y right where

everything just happens and then the things that are said just kind of roll and that becomes part of the story so that's why you know there was the guy who said that's captain america um obviously he said i'm you know i'm captain america in the beginning those are kind of our two moments where you know captain he was announced as Captain America. He was also announced as Black Falcon, which is pretty funny. They kept that running. And then obviously, what's his name? Bucky calls him Black.

Something about a Black Captain America. Had to keep everything uneven there. But all in all, I think I was pretty happy that we just got to the next phase of it. It's just I thought that could have been – that was my biggest gripe with this episode. I feel like there was a few things that they could have just tied up. Even Carly's death, it was like what kind of bootleg super soldier serum did you get? Like a fucking go-to? And she died like instantly, Bob.

She died instantly. And Sharon was fine. And Sharon was fine. And I think there's something to that. So we'll talk about that when we talk about questions when we talk about theories later but the speech itself i saw some people kind of being like it was a bit much it was you know it was a bit whatever it was very captain america is very comic booky to me it felt like i was reading that on the pages of a comic book and that's you know captain america standing up for what's right and that might be a little cheesy sometimes because that's you know it sort of sounds cheesy when you're like

i don't like bullies i'm gonna stand up against them that's just kind of the tone of that so uh i i definitely felt like that was very comic book yeah it's like that that felt like a comic book uh monologue i i agree with that i think that falcon that Falcon That's what I'm noticing with him here I keep calling him Falcon, Falcon, or whatever He has that kind of persona Like when he talked to Carly I thought that was a cool back and forth Where he wasn't just talking at her He was talking with her

And there he was kind of going through that speech And I will say that I did think that was a cool way To go about it But I thought they could have done maybe one or two more things That would have kind of galvanized everything together but i i actually i dug that scene i thought it was cool and i thought he brought up some pretty fair points again the philax smashers not the t-word that's the biggest thing we've taken away from that not t-words bucky goes to tell yori who is extremely extremely not sus extremely not hyd, what happened to his son?

He finally crosses Nakajima's name off the list. It's very sad. He walks in. Yori's like, what are you doing here? It's not Wednesday. We're not hanging out today. Bucky's like, I'm here to tell you what happened to your son. He was murdered by the Winter Soldier.

We don't really see much more of the conversation. Yori, we see you closing the door on him. And he gives the book with every name crossed off the list to his therapist. His therapist opens it up. Every name is crossed off. One of the names crossed off was Paul Walter Hauser, who is a guest on My Mom's Basement. He is actually Sebastian Stan's best friend in real life. He'll be in the upcoming Cruella movie.

He was in I, Tonya. He's been at Kingdom. But I thought that was a nice little Easter egg. Sebastian Stan put his best friend's name in his book. We should do like a My Mom's Basement where you have all your names. Your book would actually be pretty fucking incredible. Dana White, The Undertaker, Tommy Lee, Clem. What the fuck is going on here?

No, Clem goes above all those. Come on, Clem is the first name we list. How sweet. You're such a sweet boy, Robbie. This was another thing. Again, I made basically a living out of slandering this poor, old, innocent man here. Again, they don't have a word for a dead kid, which kind of makes me feel awful that they said just how terrible that is. And I was slandering him for the last month and a half.

But it just felt like he's like, oh, I killed your son, by the way. And then you already had a stand for him. He's like, huh. and then they just cut from it i'm like that was it like and it seems like a hard scene to write i was thinking about it and i was like the writers might have got to that and they're like i don't fucking know how they would react to that it's never happened this is my like give me all right bonus episode give us a bonus episode next week in a marvel and give us just that a couple more things with the captain america a couple more things to smooth some things over and like give me a little bit more of the yori storyline kind of two things about yori here that were so sus one come inside it's late someone's

gonna call the cops in new york fucking city in brooklyn they're gonna call the cops because someone's walking in like everyone in new york city there's a city that never sleeps yori he probably lives with a bunch of old people like him that was weak and mr yori who was right bob clem was right yori suss as fuck what did yori do he stole bucky's girl he got her porn drinks in there he's probably gonna play a little bit of battleship and then a little bit of twister afterwards, if you know what I mean. Yuri is sus as fuck. I told you, he stole Bucky's girl.

All it cost him was his son. It's a fucking fair trade in the end. He can make another son with her if he wants. Let me ask you this question right away. This comes from Josh. He said, after his slander of Sparky and Yuri, should Clem just preemptively apologize for whatever Loki side character

he'll inevitably deem sus or Hydra? Oh, like Loki is a villain too so I'm gonna be slandering like really good people probably because that's gonna be the other side um yeah I'm just gonna go out and apologize for like like the the nuns and like the priests and like the very like like five-year-old kid that has nothing to do with growing up be like that guy is fucking mephisto he fuck him yeah but you know what i'm like jr smith i have to keep shooting because of course we had a comment last week where someone said that yori was going to be the uh the uh power broker and i was like whole and i texted you just i was like bob if that happens you are never gonna let me go down and And you're like, you know what?

I'm never going to be able to. You're 100% right. So I'm going to have to keep shooting here because one of these days I'm going to hit or Brennan Clancy is going to hit, and we're going to look like fucking prophets when it's all said and done. Sam goes to visit Isaiah Bradley in Brooklyn. He mentions that the GRC is now standing down. No plans to close the borders. Says he must have done something right. Kind of gives him props.

And he says, a black Captain America, huh? And Sam goes, damn right. And that kind of felt like a bit of a moment, right? Where he's like, damn right we got a black Captain America. Fucking read it and weep. And Sam tells him, there's something I'd like to show you. Why don't you put some clothes on? Not that he was naked.

He just put some nice clothes on. And this was, Cle clem not only my favorite moment of the episode this is my favorite moment of the series by far i this was when i got full on tears the first time watching it and i really teared up the second time he takes him to the smithsonian and he walks him through the isaiah bradley exhibit he has made an entire you know not he's made it he's got it made entire entire exhibit dedicated to Isaiah and what he did for the country. He even tells him, he gives him a big hug. Isaiah's weeping in his arms.

And he says, now they'll never forget what you did for the country. I got chills. Look at the goosebumps on my arms. Goosebumps. Even saying it. Because that, man, I was like, that's the entire show was worth it for the introduction of isaiah bradley and that moment right there where he said that and it was just like holy shit the actor who played isaiah phenomenal job the entire series he did a phenomenal job

but this he it just felt like oh my god he really got his and i want to shout out to wyatt russell um john walker phenomenal villain in this show and not even you know you could call him a villain you call him a tweener but he added so much to this show so shout out wyatt russell and shout out the actor that played isaiah bradley because tremendous stuff guys if you haven't subscribed to the youtube yet we just had confirmed goosebumps live on the counter you just saw and that was legit it was like it looked like spider-man's arm in infinity war that was legit confirmed goosebumps people say people say bob fox he's not putting on an act when he's crying when he's saying goosebumps that shit is as real

as it comes right there um i can't even talk about the episode without getting goosebumps and this is what i hate when i have to then come in from the club side of things and i have to ask the tough questions how quick did he get that fucking statue bill that's not an easy thing to commission very quick the guy the guy can't get a fucking loan for his boat yet he can get a full thing and i know he's maybe some time passed i mean we two months passed all right the old five months later thing like they did an end game with the years because that's the only way you can describe how he got the statue the uh plaque the whole thing and like that plaque thing it was like chiseled like that wasn't just something they like pictures from it even

though it's a secret he found it somewhere it had a full exhibit and i mean like i get like the video you can like you know edit you know we have people up the producer barcelona can edit crazy shit right now so we can imagine what the smithsonian can do but i mean that i thought i was like all right that's a little crazy but the actor the actor was the perfect dude that it's like he's an older guy that if he's pissed at you you feel like shit and if you actually make him happy you're like oh my god it's like the teacher that was just tough on you but you learned more than you ever did in that like class with them that you learned from any other teacher because you just wanted to like prove that they were good that you were that you were learning stuff from them so that's what i

say it was like and he's still he was like busting his balls the whole time. Talking like, man, I just saved a bunch of people in this city. I was one of the people that fucking saved the universe, right? Yeah. Are you ever going to lighten up? And the nephew, you're both like, nope. By the way, I just looked it up. I just want to shout him out by name.

Carl Lumley. That's the name of the guy who played Isaiah Bradley in the show. Carl Lumley. Phenomenal job. He could get, you know, they give Emmys for, like, best guest appearance. He could get one of those, I feel like, for this show. He was just so good. Then we get happy, upbeat music.

We get a very feel-good ending. You know, in the beginning of the show, we talked about Sam and Bucky sitting in that therapist's office and saying, after this, we're going to go on our separate ways. We're never going to see each other ever again. We said, I bet by the end of this series, they're going to turn back and they're going to eat those words. And they'll be friends by the end of it. We got exactly that. But I love, you know, I don't look at that predictability as a negative. I love that predictability of like, that's why I watch superhero movies. I know the good guys are going to beat the bad guys in the end. And we're going to get a happy ending. We get that upbeat New Orleans music again.

Sam's taking pictures with people in the dock. They're grilling up some whatever on the grill, whatever Cajun spiced food. And we finally get a title screen that says Captain America and the Winter Soldier. Instead of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, the only way it would have been better was if it said Captain America and the winter soldier instead of falcon and the winter soldier the only way it would have been better was if it said captain america and the white wolf we even got a question about that um let me see who wrote in this question he said it was a matt majeski he said why do you think they didn't change the end credit title to captain america and the white wolf instead bucky seems to have shed the name of the winter soldier so it'd be perfect to change the white wolf now

matt i agree with you i think that would have been the only thing to make it better to be honest with you so i think that's how they're gonna end season two is i think by the end of season two he'll have a white wolf suit it's gonna be fucking awesome that's gonna be amazing this might not be a great reference for you because it's more of a recent wrestling thing but seth rollins eventually came out with an all white jumpsuit and my god it was awesome if you look up if you google it right now i'm alive on the show seth rollins white jumpsuit just look at that that's what i picture bucky's uh white wolf costume will look like that would be that'd be cool and by the time so by the time this show comes out or by the time season two of this comes out,

which it sounds like they're going to do it, WandaVision's going to do it. They're going to do a movie first. I know that. So I picture he'll be in the movie as well. We lead off with him with the Wilson family down in New Orleans. So I bet at the beginning of Cat 4, they'll be together still. Yeah, agreed.

But I think by the, I shouldn't even say by the end of um by the end of the next season season two i'd say even by the beginning and in the movies in the meantime between black panther or captain america for any of that other stuff he will have become the white wolf and then i do think that title card will be very uh alive it'll be a breathing thing that could change a bunch of times right and i think it think. Cool. And I even said on Twitter, I said, well, you know,

imagine you do that. And then season three, you bring in Isaiah Bradley's godson or nephew, whoever that grandson, and you make him Patriot. And then it's maybe, or you bring in Torres and you make him Falcon and maybe it becomes captain America and Falcon.

If you want to give Bucky a retirement, then maybe it becomes Falcon and the Patriot. And maybe it's about Torres and the grandson. Like you can legitimately take this show and really carry on a legacy with it. Yeah. And Farron five is like, yeah,

guys like that's 2039. He's like, yeah, we got it planned out. We planned that on 2016. You guys are super late. Don't worry about that. You idiots.

I'm speaking to New Orleans. We had to shout this out. That song that we loved, when the buddies sung. The Meters. A bunch of people hit us up. The Meters is the name of the group. And the name of the song is Hey Pocky Away. Just an all-time great song.

We could include it. Jam, yeah. Throw that on your summer playlist. Yeah. We can't include it here because you can't fucking. iTunes is getting mean about putting copies. I can't believe it took this long. It's amazing.

I know. iTunes is cracking down, for those that don't know, on copyrighted music, which means My Honest Basement is going to have a new theme very soon. If you're watching on YouTube, we have no theme currently. If you listen on the podcast, we've used Limelight by Rush as our theme, and that's going to change. I'm talking to some people where I'm trying to get a licensed theme, which would be pretty cool. So fingers crossed that we get that. The new theme, if I get the song I'm looking to get, is so perfect for our show and so badass, I'll send it to you, Clem, after we record. So fingers crossed.

I think I'm going to get it. Speaking of music, I did see It Was Sh was Sharon all along. Did you see that? Yeah, I did see that. Oh, something I wanted to mention, by the way, way earlier on, they changed for the closed caption gang. They changed like Falcon or Sam Wilson to captain America. As soon as he was seen in the suit, like it said, like captain America grunts, captain America, whatever. And I was like, that's pretty cool. Like he's actually capped now. It feels good to have captain America back in the suit like it said like captain america grunts captain america whatever and i was like that's pretty cool like he's actually capped now feels good to have captain america

back in the mcu like he we have a captain america he exists how you doing mr cap mr capstan it feels amazing it feels great i'm happy for you all right the shield is like being used uh we get our post credit scene there's only one we got two post credit scene and scene. There's only one. We got two post-credits in WandaVision, but only one in this where we see Sharon Carter getting her pardon. And she walks out with this devious look on her face. She makes a phone call, and she says, it's about to be a lot easier for us to get full access to government weapons, government protocols, all this shit. We might have abandoned the super soldiers, but it is what it is. And some people I know said, listen, why would she bring them right to the lab of the guy that was helping her make the super soldiers that doesn't make any sense it was just

a random twist i think sharon was like in that moment as soon as sam told her i could get you a pardon she was like fuck that i'll sacrifice the super soldiers as long as i can get the part and get back in into the u.s government i think she made that conscious decision i don't think that was like a plot hole at all yeah i think that one decision. I don't think that was a plot hole at all. Yeah, I think that one's easily... I don't think that's a gap. I think they filled that in perfectly fine. Sharon,

she was so fucking badass in that scene, too. You have to remember that we were calling her John Wick, you know? John Wick, basically. I can't wait to see what they have cooking for us with her down the road because the power she has, the people she's dealing with. And I will say I thought we might get a bigger reveal at some point this episode,

and I thought maybe the post-credits. Again, the movies, if this was a Captain America movie, which I guess is technically Captain America now, you feel like you're going to get something a little bigger than that, but again, it's a lot of transition. It's a show. This also would have been the first show if COVID never happened. So that might've been asking a lot to have that big jump right away. So I thought we were going to get a different reveal here too.

And I still think we're going to get it. So let me get to a question and then I'll talk about my theory. So we got this question from Brandon Joseph and he says, the after credit scene definitely sets up armor wars, right? Rhodey is trying to figure out how all this us equipment and all these weapons got into the hands of bad guys. And it's Sharon all along. I actually didn't consider that until Brandon wrote in the question,

but I think that's probably accurate. I think it very much could be the setup for armor wars and maybe the reveal in armor wars is that sharon carter is not sharon carter at all and that she is a scroll and that is the setup for secret wars secret invasion whatever that may be she recovered mighty quick from that gunshot to the stomach didn't she and it's just not it's just just not a Carter thing to do. Maybe it's just me being in denial. Cause I'm like a Carter can't be a bad guy, but Carter can't be a bad guy.

It's gotta be a scroll. I guess I'll have to take back my, like, I forgive all that happened. Cause you had to live in the CD underbelly of magic poor for a few months or years. I kind of, it's a bad look for me,

but I, from what I can gather, like the secret wars or whatever secret invaded and like the scroll shit like everyone becomes a scroll at some point like everyone's a scroll so i guess we almost have to get ready for that so i could co-sign that i could see it the the bullet wound definitely adds a little extra to that and some people say like the timeline didn't add up exactly where Sharon got blipped away. And by the time she came back, people were saying maybe like they said she was already running Madripoor.

So maybe she got blipped away. A scroll became her started running Madripoor. And then where's the real Sharon Carter? I don't know. Maybe she's on the fucking moon with Steve Rogers. Do we have a question about that one? We don't have a question about that one? We don't have a question about that one. We could talk about it.

No, so I am convinced now that he is going to be in space, whether it's with Nick Fury or someone in S.W.O.R.D., and it's just like people think he's in the moon because telling people that there's a fucking sword in space, you know, like there's a space agency like that or a thing for the entire universe would blow people's fucking minds even after all the thanos stuff and everything there they have no idea just how crazy it is so like the moon seems like this wild crazy thing for

steve rogers to be it's like no no we're going past the moon so i think it's going to be like he won't technically be on the moon even though again i love the moon base theory but i do think old steve is still around someone tweeted me and they said how does it feel knowing like steve rogers is definitely dead and we got a new captain i was like i i definitely don't think steve rogers is dead i still think steve rogers dying is a moment they're going to show us in the mcu at some point was that tweet written with sass behind it or was it actually so who wrote me this i might block that person they may not even follow me, but I may block him. I don't need to test. Let me see this

test. It's Nick Bailey. Nick Bailey said, how does it feel knowing Steve Rogers is big time dead and Falcon is the new Captain America? I mean, you saw how happy I was when I just said we got a new cap. I'm pretty happy about it. Yeah, he's going to cry so happy about it, Nick. What the fuck is here? It's like

Sean McCoy, R.B. my dog, Tony Stark, just to ruin it for everyone. Nick, what the fuck's your problem, man? I love Steve Rogers. Don't fucking rub it in his face. He might be dead right now. Listen, Steve Rogers, it could definitely be like, Steve Rogers did not save the universe. That was Tony Stark who saved the universe because Steve Rogers fucked up in previous movies. And Tony Stark had to clean up his whole mess steve help listen steve help let's get to the questions

before you ramble on anymore on this on this tirade because now i gotta pull the leech back i'm like whoa whoa easy easy the final two questions uh the first of which comes from beer town mike he says also zemo being on the raft has to play into something down the road, right? Maybe the Thunderbolts. I think that's exactly what it plays into. I think maybe in one of the next shows, Thunderbolt Ross, you show him talking to Zemo. You show the Thunderbolts forming. Maybe even have Madam Hydra come in and she comes in with John Walker and breaks him out of the raft or something.

Maybe she was connected with the butler. Maybe she has been in communication with Zemo all the time. I think that's confirmed. Zemo will be back in the future. Even if they didn't have plans to bring him back in the future before this, after seeing the fan reaction to him, you have to. Yeah. I'm at the point where if it's not Thunderbolts, I'll be shocked

because you're just hearing so much about it. And this is the thing. Sometimes Marvel, I mean, as we just learned in the last series, like everyone's like, it has to be Mephisto. It may not be Mephisto. It may not be the Thunderbolts. It'll probably be whatever they can do in terms of having it make sense to people. They couldn't have Lady Death in Infinity War.

It would just be too much for people to take in. Thunderbolts isn't quite like that. But there's going to be a lot of challenges where they have to build that up, even with, you know, they could go the TV route, they could go the movie route. It may not be like the Thunderbolts, but it'll probably be some sort of that idea and whether or not the name is there. It does feel weird. I just hate that DC has two Suicide Squads out, and this feels like a Suicide Squad, right? It feels like the Marvel version of it, but it is what it is what

it is it's like who cares and i mean i hope i hope suicide squad is awesome we're james gunn people yeah uh did you see by the way uh between our last recording session and this one he tweeted the script for the holiday special was done the first draft of it he like turns it in and yeah mark hamill by the way quote tweeted and said i've got a bad feeling about this obviously in reference to the star wars holiday special flopping um but i just thought that was great i hope he gives mark hamill a little role in it that would be like a nice little cameo nice nod to the holiday special that would be awesome just make him a weird looking alien like let him do the voice of someone you know he's a great voice actor like give him something little just put him in the credits i'm more excited for that holiday special than I am for almost every other movie, show, whatever, in the next X amount of years.

That's how much I love The Guardian. I almost went on a tweet thread, crazy long tweet eruption, just saying how much I love Guardians 2 and how I think it's a top three Marvel movie. I was like, it's not worth the money. No, you should do it. After this episode, the listeners are going to have a I'm like, it's not worth the mention. No, you should do it. After this episode, the listeners are going to have the little prelude to it. They'll encourage you. Fucking tweet Clem.

Be like, don't be a coward. Tell us how much you love Guardians of the Galaxy 2, motherfucker. Our final question is from BetaRayDerek. He says, there were a lot of things, and I bring this question up because we got to have one crazy theory to close the whole thing off. We got to have one crazy one, one out there one. He said there were a lot of things and i bring this question up because we gotta have one crazy theory to close the the whole thing off we gotta have one crazy one one out there one he said there were a lot of things

going on during the series and the mcu in general in eastern europe do you think that's eventually gonna piss off a certain ruler of latveria aka victor von doom yes i do i absolutely think it's gonna piss him off and I think he's going to fucking come into Loki or whatever the next show is. Maybe not the next show, but I want him to. That'd be awesome. Listen, I'm all for the crazy cameos. Do I think they're all going to happen in

these shows? No, but I'm all for them. Do I think Loki has the potential to get a few of them? Of course. I'm going to keep the hopes up, because why not? We're going to look forward to the next week. We're going to speculate. We we're gonna be bouncing off the walls with theories we're gonna get brandon clancy back for that he's gonna come back for movie commentary too yeah why not that's what i say why not why not there you go why why not who boom it was uh beta ray derrick shout out beta ray derrick shout out derrick you are the anti

nick bailey i love you i hate nick ba are the anti-Nick Bailey. I love you. I hate Nick Bailey. As much as I hate him, I love you for bringing this up. That is the perfect way to cap this is with a fucking – something that is almost definitely not going to happen. I love it. But just having that feeling in my stomach, I'm going to be like, oh, shit, that makes perfect sense.

Of course it's going to happen. I need Dr. Doom in this. I need them to be done right in this universe just like i need all those people in marvel and dr doom is one of those people again i didn't really like follow during my time to read in the comics but i just know he was fucking awesome and i want to see marvel who takes like characters no one cared about and makes them awesome i can only imagine what they're going to do with a guy like dr doom there's dr doom mr sinister apocalypse i mean magneto look at who they're casting too like look at russell crowe just got casted christian bale just got casted and all these like a-list actors selma hayek

angelina jolie kit harrington who's going to be cast as dr doom who's going to be cast as sinister who's going to be cast as if they want to bring in mephisto eventually who's going to be cast is going to be fucking pesci like we had a listener on our wandavision recaps be like i think it should be fucking joe pesci i was like i'm not going to turn that down it should be pacino no we have i think we had both or maybe i said it should be pesci just because i like pesci's voice i've said in the past that if baby yoda ever talks i would love for pesci to do the voice oh so yeah sign me up for the dr doom stuff loki like so this is actually it's not really a question but would you say in terms of if you're tearing the marvel characters i would say loki is above the two the last two series in terms of above scarlet witch

vision and then the two in this episode i mean now, now he's Captain America, he rises up. But I feel like Loki, in terms of prestige in the universe, is higher than them. So why couldn't he kind of have actual run-ins with different people? Because he's the only one that's... And he'll be time jumping, right? There's going to be weird time travel stuff, maybe different planet stuff.

There was one scene where it looked like he was on a Vormir-type planet. So I think, and especially they've got, like we've said in the past, the guy writing it, Michael Waldron is also writing Dr. Strange 2. And he's also writing Kevin Feige's Star Wars movie. So obviously this guy wrote something awesome in Loki and Dr. Strange 2 that Kevin Feige was like, all right, I'm hiring one guy to write my Star Wars movie. It's fucking that guy.

So I'm looking forward to that. This has been an amazing journey. It's bittersweet saying goodbye to this because i've genuinely enjoyed doing these breakdowns doing these recaps as much as i've enjoyed watching the show like these past six episodes have been a ton of fun these podcasts take me forever to edit but i still have a blast doing it it's like man talking about fucking falcon and the winter soldiers talking about comic book shit with one of my best friends in the world. What's better than that? We got the life here.

It's awesome, man. Like you said, we get to watch it. We get to, I mean, just putting the notes together, going through, doing the homework to kind of get ready for the episode. And then, like you said, we drop the episode. And even from the time it airs on Friday to the time we drop the episode, say Monday, and then all the hype going into the next week, all the different listeners tweeting at us and kind of going back and forth.

It's one of the coolest things. I mean, we've just kind of started. I mean, we did some Mando stuff way back when, but like you said, this doesn't feel like work. It's just fun. We'd probably just be doing it ourselves, right? We'd be just bullshitting about it. So the fact we get to do it and record it,

and thanks to everyone who listens, thanks to everyone who watches, because it's's an absolute blast and it's something i legitimately look forward to every single week so um and again i don't know where we're gonna remember this isn't goodbye we'll be back next week we're just saying goodbye to this series we're gonna be back next week with a batman 89 movie commentary with my older brother so if you want to watch that to prepare or if you want to just save it for the commentary there you go and we'll be doing movie commentaries until loki debuts but make sure you subscribe to the youtube once we hit four are not 400 000 once we hit 4 000 we're gonna put those shirts up listen i would love to hit 400 000 before the next week too i

won't stop us from hitting 400 000 but we're just gonna put the shirts up at 4 000 shout out to nathan hurst for the amazing designs. As always, that guy's a fucking legend. Make sure you follow him as well, Nathan Hurst Art. He tweets some stuff that he just works on in his free time and stuff. Just an awesome cartoonist. And follow us on Twitter, The Clem Report, Robbie Barstool. Bob, I got to ask this last thing.

Final grade for the show. Oh, we didn't do a grade. I'm going to give The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I don't remember what I gave WandaVision. ask this last thing final grade for the show oh we didn't do a grade um i'm gonna give the falcon and the winter soldier i don't remember what i gave wandavision i think i might have gave it a b or b plus i would give this a b minus okay yep i it never gripped me quite as much as wandavision did but i enjoyed it all the way through so i'm gonna give this like like a c but it's not like a c you feel two different feelings in your stomach when you get a c this is like i feel all right it's like a c to a c plus but i'm it's like not a cap guy it's like all right that science isn't my subject

exactly and if i if that's a good way to put it science was not my subject science for me neither um the the way if i felt like i did after the last episode i think it would have been a c plus but it's just there was something missing whether it was the right kind of a uh montage with the right music that music i thought they nailed the last episode there's just again they didn't tie it up there wasn't enough of a landing without as much of like a crescendo that i was just like there was just something missing missing there. So I'm C to C plus you're B minus. So I think that's, I think,

and I think it's a very fair rating. I don't think anyone can call us like being unfair either way on that. I think that was pretty fair. Yeah, no, yeah. I'm not saying it was an eight plus amazing. I'm not a bad captain American bias,

but I am a little captain American bias. It's just how it is. I love my guy. So if it was a white captain America, you would have given me an A. We're cutting the show. We're cutting the show. Clem's going to get us canceled.

We'll see you next week.