My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 126 - BATMAN '89 COMMENTARY

Episode Date: May 3, 2021

Robbie Fox sits down with Clem and his older brother Mike Fox to do a movie commentary for Tim Burton's 'BATMAN' (1989) starring Jack Nicholson and Michael Keaton! 3Chi: Use code MMB at checkout to receive 5% off at 3Chi.com BearBottom Clothing: Use code BASEMENT for FREE SHIPPING on your first order at BearbottomClothing.com BetterHelp: Go to BetterHelp.com/ROBBIE for 10% off your first month Subscribe to My Mom's Basement on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIeZ96PqdsJYQ7DFLRx6MHw My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. This is one of my brother's favorite movies. One of the movies that I would say made you love nerd culture and Batman and comic books. Probably the basis. This is like the start of all of it. Which went on to be the start of all of it for me. Like I've got Batman tattooed on my arm right now if you don't see batman 89 i might not be a batman fan so i'm excited to do this with you

i'm i had to get a little territory back a little bit of basement territory back because you know clem sort of took over and it's been awesome and i'm glad he did but you know in true romance like when clarence tells Drexel that he's married to Alabama now that makes it practically related that's how I feel about you Clem now practically related well when I signed on the zoom you hit me up with the welcome to the foxhole and I was like all right it's gonna be like that but you're throwing true romance lines at me I mean this is a this is love at first sight here. I said, the guy who brought Robbie into all our worlds, got him onto the nerd track, even

though I think he would have figured it out on his own just based on how we all know him. But you definitely, this is the origin story for Robbie's nerdom, it sounds like. So this is like the perfect way to kick off this little series Bob came up with. It literally is. And this is going to fill the gap between Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which just wrapped up, and Loki. So for the next few weeks,

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And now I think we are ready to get into Batman 89. I am so excited to do this. I haven't watched this movie in a few months my brother's seen this movie probably 10 trillion times and clem said he hasn't seen this movie in a few years so it's going to be three like very different perspectives here you guys ready i said decades i think i think it's been oh my god so it's been a long time coming the full movie the full movie yeah good all right perfect i'm gonna say three two one click and we're all gonna press play on click ready three two one click and we're off the warner brothers logo should be the first thing everybody sees and i mentioned right before we went live you

know we've got a new batman movie coming out next march and it would just i'm a sucker for the nostalgia i'm a sucker for the nostalgia i'm a sucker for all that stuff i know people look down on it now the callbacks but i would love that old school warner brothers logo as fan service in the beginning it'd be awesome jack nicholson getting credited before uh keaton that's got to be a demand right basing her bass and passenger yeah they basing bass singer all right this might be the first little hiccup we have here down in the foxhole because i'm going to call it the foxhole until we become a full-blown family here not a tim burton guy do not tim burton guy not a tim burton guy what do you that is. What are you talking about? He always takes like old franchises and he just Tim Burton's.

He weirds them out. Like what he did to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I know you're scorned about that. You like the book. You were a big book guy. And my wife loves all Tim Burton stuff. I'm not like a creepy movie kind of guy. She loves the creepy movie kind of things.

And that's his like thing. That's his bag, which I completely understand. But he he kind of goes i think he goes overboard sometimes with it with again this is this all goes back to charlie of the chocolate factory i readily admit and i even think the second batman gets a little weird but this one i mean you can't really nitpick this movie this movie was was awesome bro you're talking to two guys that look like tim burton characters here like the two skinniest white guys in the world like we're we're tim burton fans my man look at the color we're wearing and you danny elfman who's got the score right here this is the far and away best batman theme it doesn't get better than this setting the tone for a batman movie come on and goes on to to uh set the tone

for batman the animated series pretty much in terms of score yeah the animated series you know i think a lot of people consider you know maybe the best interpretation of the character ever i'm definitely one of those people that grew up with the animated series grew up with you putting me onto this movie constantly and i i just like think about my childhood when i hear this song i think about being like three years old in the living room with toys so coming up here obviously that whole intro with the with the marks the danny upman score tremendous we're getting a look at the uh the bat symbol here i thought we were in the cave when i first saw this i thought we were going through the cave and now

it reveals the symbol and how old were you by the way when this came out this look at gotham is my favorite look of gotham ever like that feels like gotham immediately that skyline that sky the seat the streets here um i was three dad took me to the theaters because all we knew was was fucking adam west and it was all like pow and then it was fun and silly and he took me when i was three to see this i don't know if he would have taken me if he would have known what i was about to see here it's like we got a lost a nice little lost family here and you know in a second here we're gonna get a nice look at our our city streetwalker yeah this is gotham city this movie is a little more raw than i think i

mean when i saw it in the theater i was like holy crap what how old are you clem in 89 shoot i was seven i was seven years old and i saw it in the theater and we talked about this on one of our falcon recaps this movie this left this was in theaters for like a year more than a year i feel and then it came out on videotape like the next week and i was like or it might've been out on VHS as it was still in the movie theater. And it like blew my mind. Like, you can do that?

And I don't know if that's exactly what happened, but I feel like that's what happened. It completely, I mean, this thing was such a monster hit. It might've changed the game. I don't really remember or know. For those that don't know, I was obviously not alive. I was born in 98 98 but everyone talks about like the batman mania do you guys remember that about it like everyone wearing batman symbols on

their chest that symbol was every fucking wear man everywhere yeah if you look at any photo from uh the clem family i am wearing a batman shirt in it and it's the same one it's just like you said just straight bat logo on it and i wasn't a dire batman fan but it was just one of the things just took over the world it was like simpson shirts ombart simpson oh man this is a fucked up scene oh my god by the way i'm in kindergarten and it was one of those like bad weather days where we weren't going to go out for recess the lunch ladies wheeled the big fucking tv in on the stand and threw this in the VHS. Kindergarten, five years old. And you're like, breaking the law, breaking the law.

I loved it because I'm like, yeah, man, sweet. But I got to be honest, if you show this to a five-year-old nowadays, you'd probably, you know, you might be arrested for child abuse. I love, by the way, you mentioned, Mike, the look of Gotham City in this movie. And I agree with you. Like, The Dark Knight's my favorite movie ever i think the realistic chicago look for that like was necessary but i like gotham city on a soundstage where you don't even know if it's like is it the 40s or is it the 90s like i don't even know time periods here but it worked really well i like it it's almost a fantasy land but it's comic book land so it doesn't matter and by the way i just gotta show everybody i wore these pants for the commentary

clem clem did a nice uh touch of his own he's got the bat signal aimed right at me here it is first look at our our new our new batman like i said all we knew was adam west and a dutch shot there kind of a tribute to the 66, right? That's what they call that, right? A Dutch shot when it's tilted. Sounds like something from a porno. These dudes, like, they really nailed the whole, like, drugged out mugger, kind of like, this is some raw shit, man.

Rewatching it all these years later, seeing it from a different light. And they thought they must have been tripping, seeing that shit coming at them. And he looks, like, pretty fucking scary here. Like, that's, like, monster movie stuff. Like, you shoot the monster and he gets back up, which he should be terrifying to these guys. A little K-Raw take.

Oh, MMA action for you yeah i wanted that utility belt he left the bat shark repellent spray at home oh my god can you imagine how mad disney must be so mad they can't get batman and then just like market all his toys just to i mean billion god yeah there what are we're six minutes into this movie and you already get that moment where it's like oh we're in this is michael keaton who everyone criticized coming in right because he was the beetlejuiceice guy. He made that up?

I read that the original line was, I am the knight. And he was like, fuck that. He got out there in the rubber and was like, that sucks. I'm Batman. And it's like, that goes in the fucking trailer. Definitely. Yeah, that's like, we're in. And Billy Dee, Harvey Dent.

I want to live in an alternate reality where we got to see Billy Dee Williams play Harvey Dent and play Two-Face. I think that would have been tremendous. They're doing the comic book now. Did you see that? They're doing the Tim Burton universe in comic book form. What would have happened? And they're going to go forward with it. They're going to bring Robin in and stuff.

And the artist looks amazing. He's kind of combining this style with the animated series style i wish they would have wrote in some kind of way for him to have to say the word shubah i just always loved the way he was shubaka i say that all the time with my brother how you doing here's our first look at jack i and i don't remember what keaton was like i feel like it probably was a little criticized because just going through his imdb obviously beetlejuice which was a great timber and i'm not going to you know criticize beetlejuice, which was a great Tim Burton. I'm not going to, you know, criticize Beetlejuice. I feel like Nicholson, once he was announced as the Joker, was just like the biggest story on the planet, if I remember correctly.

People were not happy about Keaton. People thought because of Beetlejuice and the comedy work he did, like, what is this going to be? Another silly, goofy, campy comedy? But, you know, Tim Burton said he always saw it in his eyes, in Michael Keaton's eyes, that he could go dark and go serious. Even all these years later,

if you still pulled Keaton up there, I'm like, could he do it if I had never seen this movie? But he somehow just nails it. Someone with the suit and, like you said, the eyes, he really does just nail the role more than most. When you say the eyes of michael keaton what i think of right away is the scene in homecoming when he's driving peter to school and you can only see his or he's driving at the homecoming you could only see his eyes in the rear view window

and he's playing that whole scene with his eyes and it's like yeah he's a villain and he's coming as batman moment you look fine mask that is his han solo i know i wonder how people felt about it when they when they see that scene though when when you're like jack nicholson's playing the joker that's the first look you get at him you're like wait a minute what the fuck okay we got our pork first look at porkins red six standing by i love that we get the intro to both characters early you get your batman you get the joker even though they're you still don't get a lot it's like i hate when they really make you wait for all that we're not even 10 minutes in yeah our list comes bopping around

by the way mike it is nice to know that comic book fans were assholes even in the 80s and complaining about everything without even giving it a chance like it's not just a today thing or recency thing it's been that case forever i could only imagine like in the 60s when they were just literally books and people like oh this they're doing this kind of ink this month oh this is so they've sold out so bad do you think anyone looked at the adam west batman like we look at like zach snyder shit where they're like they went too violent just for the sake of being violent once again kindergarten lunch ladies yeah you're full of shit and he throws the cigarette at him i like that porkin sees this dude immediately he's like oh this guy's gonna bust my balls again by the way porkins batman star wars indiana jones i mean somewhere he's sitting in a bar and you could run into him and you'd be like,

hey, what are you doing? He's like, I used to be an actor. And you're like, oh yeah, anything I might've seen. And he's like, yeah, I was in Star Wars. I was in Batman. I was in Raiders of the Lost Ark. He'd be like, this guy's full of shit. That really is crazy.

He's got, he's one of those guys who, where is he right now? Is he living in the mountains? Just by himself, loving life? Crooked cops in Gotham, tale as old as time. Classic. Billy Dee, by the way, perfect casting as someone you want to be maybe a sleazy politician that can get it to office he can talk his way into anything yeah he was a bit sleazy in empire man he was working deals behind han's back i mean but at the same time in a politician way he's like it was for cloud city in the end i gotta look after my people you know uh deals getting worse all the time

i mean i'm still torn apart when i watch empire if i love her hey lando to this day right putting the moves on time yeah bob the goon bob back and jack up now bob was pretending to do one of those hobo windshield wipe deals you know like no i'm not with this dude but then the second there's, he's right over his shoulder with the pistol. Classic Sideman. Bob the Goon, the reason why Silent Bob has his name. That's right. Fun fact.

Yeah. Another great look at a Gotham-esque skyline there. Lots of German expressionistic and Art Deco mixing. Again, period mixing. Is it the 30s? Is it the 30s? Is it the 40s? Is it 1989? Yeah. Yes.

Is that matte paintings all in the background, I assume? Lots of matte paintings. They shot a lot of it, or I want to even say maybe most of it, in England. Oh, wow. Interesting. Very Ed Koch-looking mayor. They're like, who's the mayor in new york city right now and they found him

we get a little bob kane uh cameo not in in the flesh here but arliss you know is getting fucked with at the office because he's buying into the bat theory and cartoonist hands on this bat painting and the little bob kane signature on wow that's really cool and by the way shout out to bill finger who got fucked for so many decades he was one half of that team and never got credited jack kirby man yeah he never got credited so shout out bob kane and bill finger and here we have our starlet. And boy, what a starlet she is. You'll want to know what's so funny about Vicki Vale, Mike.

The first thing that I think when I see Vicki Vale is being attracted to her as like a three-year-old and being very embarrassed by that because girls had cooties. And I didn't like girls. I like dinosaurs, you know? No, we'll take all the Vicki Vale cooties, man. But now, yeah yeah i look at vicky vale i'm like nope that made sense that was that was me becoming a man back then yep she likes bats too arliss is like sweating when he talks to her

by the way robert wool great actor very funny i don't mean to disrespect him but i keep calling him arliss because he's he's arliss he has to wear that you have to wear all this for better or worse no disrespect at all like you said but i'll never have anything where people are going to call me like arliss for the rest of my life we were just talking about julia louise dreyfus and we were calling her elaine and that's her right yeah fun fact about eight mile my brother played a gig in uh the place where the final rap battle takes place yeah the shelter the basement oh shit the basement hell yeah jack palance legend the man was in shame for crying out loud

he's got that old school feel too once again are we in the 30s it feels like when this dude talks this is almost madman-esque too this room another little peek the purple suit comes into play now. Yeah. He really did a great job early on of just easing us all right into what we know what was coming anyway. Him looking in the mirror in the beginning, he cares about his looks, and she's looking at him like that. Yeah, it's good stuff. jack's like did he just dress down my woman right

did he just shoot him back a look like we got a little i believe what they refer to as foreshadowing going on here nicholson barely even needed makeup to be the joker look at that fucking grin man i was gonna say he barely even needs to say anything to act like that look he's just given as he's sitting there flicking the card is menacing dude jack just lived through the 70s and the 80s i mean his birthday by the way his birthday was this week so shout out to jack nicholson he's a legend shout out jack he won't watch this well he's watching he's a long time listener yeah he's actually the 4 000 subscribers

so everyone get your shirts we have our oh yeah thanks to everyone for helping us hit 4 000 we said on the podcast last week like maybe we could hit it we got like 400 that day when it dropped so that was awesome buy the new shirts if they're still for sale by the time that this drops this will copyright infringement on them but don't tell kevin feige we said that if disney has an acquired bar stool through legal ramifications total douche move here man he put his his number one guy as you referred to him on the gig and then he's gonna dime him out right away he calls porkins up and he's like go arrest my man a lot of exposition by the way in the beginning for a batman movie like i'm thinking of kids seeing this i'm thinking of you as a three-year-old and like you had to be for the beginning like all right i saw batman in the beginning but where is he yeah they drop out on on the three-year-olds real long after that and that just looked like

a fun game is it three old in theater the roulette wheel you're like i'll play that what's that can we not trap yeah oh man yeah i'm thinking about taking like when i take took my three old so the movie it's like i took sienna to see last jedi and it was after i had my last jedi experience no less but i gave her a shot and she was ready to leave after like the first five minutes because it was a little too scary for her i couldn't imagine this oh my god you made it the whole time mike you no problems yeah i mean we we didn't have so much i feel like we didn't have so many options back then yeah it's true batman was even just going to the movies was a huge deal as a kid it was like an event we're going to the movies and it's batman which i loved

because you know i was raised on the adam west stuff but this didn't scare me it didn't feel like it went too extreme it just felt more exciting to me at the time first look at bruce wayne such a great first uh first line too just so suave and michael keaton talk about a comedy guy who they felt could he pull off batman when you're playing batman it's not just playing batman you got to play batman Batman and Bruce Wayne. It's basically playing two roles. So impressive that he could get both. And first look at Alfred, who would become the Alfred in the next four Batman movies. He was the only one from the cast that stuck around through forever and Batman and Robin. A great Alfred.

Great Alfred. Pat Hingle. Pat Hingle was the only other one. He was Commissioner Gordon for... Oh, was he really unreal you asked that that's why we got you here through the clooney one um yeah so commissioner gordon and alfred stayed the same for four straight movies a little confusing when you think of modern like movie universes now you would have people being like is this a multiverse is that like

you see playing the same character from that character? Are these Batman connected? By the way, nobody would ever let a fucking newspaper reporter with a tape recorder near the commissioner, the mayor and the district attorney at a fucking while they're drinking. Yeah. While they're drinking at a benefit, who's ever working security on this detail is step into my office.

Why? Because you're fucking fired. I love my 80s hair in the back. 80s hair everywhere. That 80s palm dress on. Oh my god. You see, Gordon knows that Eckhart's a fucking snake.

As soon as he hears Eckhart's in charge, he's like, oh Jesus. It's like when the Shockmaster fell through the wall and Richard Blayers was like, oh god. You slick dog, you take it into the old armor room, the old night room. These are shots right out of a comic book, right? You imagine opening a comic book and this is what Wayne Manor looks like in it.

Well, yeah. Like instead of putting the giant Tyrannosaurus, you know, big penny in the background. He's like, let's just have an armory. It worked. I gotta say, that was a three-year-old that confused the shit out of me. You're like, is Batman a knight? This is that Tim Burton weirdness that Clem hates.

It's starting to creep in a little bit. Yeah, it is. Yep. That got weird mike would you say keaton's your favorite batman yeah right keaton is my favorite batman nicholson's my favorite joker this look of gotham is my favorite look at gotham i mean it's the one I, you know, sort of had the biggest impact at such a young age on me. Yeah. And I still I dug the look of it in the next one in Returns, you know, even though it didn't change much. It just got a little more a little more grand, a little more extreme by the time we're in schumacher's batmans it's like a full-on um fantasy world with the big you know roman god building dudes yeah and the weirdness

which i dug too i dug schumacher's gothams i didn't dig i definitely loved them unironically like when i was young and now i love them ironically no i thought i'd like shumai even when it got super silly and batman and robin i thought the look of gotham was still cool because it went more comic booky and extreme and vibrant and it still worked even though fucking george clooney really just we've been enjoying this let's not even go sorry sorry i did that i actually i'm a batman returns over batman guy i love batman returns especially around the holidays oh yeah i got a lot of people say that i could see that i just love how how like fast it is it's faster than this movie and that like every cut you're like all right now we're with the penguin

now we're with catwoman now we're with walk-in and the mayor running and now we're with batman again it's just a little more fast on its feet which this one obviously has much better character development and lets everything breathe a little more they're just different styles almost vicky vale's like I'm oddly attracted to this billionaire. And he's like, I'm taping everything because I'm a bit of a freak, if you hadn't noticed by all my armor. And he dresses up like a fucking bat at night. The size of those video cameras. Mom used to have to hump one of those over her shoulder on every vacation man i also love this look of batman watching a bunch of video screens because we used to have the bat cave playset and it came with that with the little stickers on all the video screens and that was just like batman's watching over gotham oh a bank

robbery happens go Go get them. Yeah, the toys were great. That's another thing I remember about this is the toys were great. And it's I feel like it's because they didn't. They didn't try to. They didn't try to, you know, rape the parents on product. You had three figures. When this came out, you had Batman, you had Joker and you had Bob the goon. One bat cave, one bat mobile, one bat wing. So like if you had a couple of aunts and uncles,

man, you were getting the whole package deal on a birthday or on Christmas. It wasn't hard to have like the complete set. Like, I feel like nowadays it's like, you know, a new star Wars movie comes out and they want you to be collecting. It's like, good luck getting all 74 of these figures for this new movie and the variant versions of them yeah

no these toys lasted until uh i was a kid too they were all passed down to me the joker who you put in the freezer the cold water and the face changed his color. There was the Batman with the utility belt that sprung out and kind of worked as a grappling hook. By the way, not since the Watergate break in, do I feel like there's been a group of crooks so fucking lazy with all their flashlights and their noise and their blowtorch. I mean, anyone looking anywhere is going to be like, Hey, something's going on in that room.

I love these bullet sounds. Yeah. They're like the Nerf footballs of bullets. And Jack's smart. He knows I've been ratted out here. I'm not hanging out for the gunfight i am out of here yeah paul arkans grabs his megaphone red six checking in look at those cop uniforms sexy right there yeah they're in there or something jeez louise eckhart knows he's in deep shit he's gonna slunk out

not suspicious at all just gone jack figures if i pull every lever and press every knob and turn every wheel i'll get out of here in one piece this is what me and clem have talked about maybe in the diehard commentary we did in that like every 80s action movie needs a scene that where they go in the back room of the back alley of a building and the pipes are bursting and there's smoke going off and there's levers like it's such a stereotypical environment but it works every time this is what i imagine the boiler room in my middle school looked like when i was in class and the janitor would come in i bet they're back there just dealing with smoke and steam

and chemicals spilling out everywhere. Great crescendo of the music as Batman arrives. Being able to make Batman kicking people's asses but not killing them, it's always like they always have that fine line they have to do. And that was a pretty good job introducing it, right? Yeah. gonna see some killing though clem yeah batman does kill in this movie does he kill controversially yeah oh shit and in the next one and the next one goes as far as handing a villain a pipe bomb and walking away from him yeah we've got us a murderous fucking batman here clem dog strap in yeah tim in. Yeah, Tim Burton was like, Tim Burton walked so

Zack Snyder could run. Maybe Tim Burton ain't so bad after all. I love these camera angles. The above shots, the kind of tilted stuff, that reminds me of like the 66 Batman a lot. These sounds are incredible. Oh, what a backfist. Shout out spinning backffist shout out spinning backfist shout out spinning

backfist once again little monster movie tribute you know yeah in the shadow it's just kind of lurking waiting for his moment to come in looks menacing without having to move his neck which was like a joke they made in the Dark Knight, but it's real in this. You have to make him look badass and have him have a cowl. He didn't move his neck. Kind of walks around like Darth Vader.

It's a good comparison. Just that big presence. I like the cape getting a lot of play too. Oh yeah, he's a glider in this like the cape getting a lot of play too. Oh yeah. He's a glider in this, like the Arkham games. Yeah. Right up off the feet. That Jesus should be a reaction gift. That was great. classic moment nice outfit classic jack the confidence so good that's when you forget

you're watching jack nicholson he reminds you you're watching jack nicholson yeah and batman disappearing like that for the first time too which would go on to become one of the most iconic aspects of the entire character always disappearing on gordon and shit nice shot jack it was a good shot yeah way down there bang and right in front of the police commissioner yeah right oh ricochet a true ricochet shot yeah which gives us our answer you know complete opposite of the heath ledger folklore want to know how i got these stars we know how this dude's face got fucked up he caught

a ricochet from his own shot and batman was involved so of course he got a vendetta against that guy now and here we're going full tilt boogie all the way to send him into jokersville you know when i was a kid i remember having the joker figure and asking mom if we can get a green can of paint she's just like why do you want to i'm playing with my figure and i have something i want to try to accomplish you would have been so disappointed when you took that figure out and it was just green now and you're like oh now i have the figure of a background assistant on a green screen shoot. The Joker figure I had was, was cool.

The one from the movie was cool. It had the, a tube. You could squirt from his flower on his lapel. You could pull it. Oh, nice. Squirt from the lapel. But the next one was cool because you can run hot water over the face and

put it in the freezer again. And it would change from pale face to skin tone face. I remember that one. They don't do cool shit like that with figures anymore, I feel like. This is before or after Terminator 2? Very Terminator 2 shot there. Before. Before, yeah.

That is very Terminator 2, though. A movie that I watched for the first time very recently, by the way. What a great movie. I missed out on that one. Mike, you left some gaps in this young man's viewer history, I have to say. That, Back to the Future, I don't know if he just missed them because he was watching this nonstop or what. There's a few things. The gap was an age gap, Clem.

I couldn't be showing him T2 when he was three. That's true. But like Back to the Future, come on, Back to the Future. I don't know how him T2 when he was three. That's true. But like Back to the Future. Come on, Back to the Future. I don't know how he missed that one. That was actually, you'll love this, Clement. There was a marathon on today and I threw Back to the Future 2 on

and I watched it for like 45 minutes. It's like, oh, Back to the Future 2, shit. And now it's just a movie that I've seen. If I ever want to feel really depressed, I remember that the future of that movie takes place six years from now. And that's really, really sad with my life. Rob, if you got an ad read, this fucking first date is about as boring a first date you could possibly have.

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and I appreciate him eating with the help. That's nice. I mean, Alfred's obviously like the king of these movies, but I expect a little more when I go to Wayne Manor. Am I wrong on that? I feel like did they ditch the soup? Was the soup going to be the main thing at that long ass table? And they thought it sucked and then they went into the kitchen and they're like, Al, sorry, bro.

Can you whip up some steak and pasta for us right now? And he did. I mean, it's the least you can do is eat with the fucking guy when you're gonna make him work something up on you know on the fly like that and also did they start that date and they were like kind of screaming to each other from across the hall and they were like do you have a closer table we could just sit next to each other we could talk to each other like normal human beings here alfred set the long ass table and bruce is like dude don't you know what i'm trying to do here? I need to be patient. Alfred's setting up for social distancing in 89.

This scene used to scare the shit out of me as a kid. I used to not like this scene. Oh, yeah, this is a bad one. This is the equivalent in this movie to the Empire Strikes Back torture scene where there's all those needles and you're like, what does all that shit do? Shout out to the Simpsons because they did this. There was a Lisa Simpson callback when they do this. I think when she gets braces. Oh, really?

All time. This is kind of like Twilight Sony when they do the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't know if that's a really specific reference, but it's a great episode when the pig faced people. I don't know if this guy's a licensed surgeon, what kind of doctor would let his patient violently rip off the guard. Yeah. The place he's practicing out of, by the way, not, not the nicest. I love the flashing neon though though. Listen, I remember being in New York City at a very young age and throughout my whole life because of the family we have who worked there. And I remember in the late 80s and early 90s, New York City felt like Gotham.

There's always a flashing neon light somewhere. There was always steam coming from the sewer, the manholes. The street always looked wet for some reason, even though it wasn't. First Joker laugh there and they hold off on letting us see a cool move. I like that. Fills that anticipation. Vicky Vale doing a little slight wink, slight nod to Bruce, letting her know things are going to get smooth here.

Hey, my feet are killing me. Maybe we'll just take off my shoes and stop halfway up the stairs here bruce wayne with the glasses too he's like kind of like an educated nerdy bruce wayne in this one invited ty listen i don't know if either of you boys have ever ever had the pleasure of being grabbed by the tie by a woman. It is tremendous. And I just realized my wife's not allowed to listen to this podcast. Clem, go put a tie on. Yeah, I'm going to have to. You're going to go to bed tonight just with that hoodie and a tie on. Oh, here we go.

We're going to get the first real complete look here and this is kind of the look they would go with in the fourth season of batman the animated series when they went the adventure continues they actually put the joker in this hat and trench coat get up i like it i like the hat on i think it's dope. The lighting here, just perfect lighting. As he takes one step forward, you get a little bit more of a look, another step, a little bit more of a look. You know it's coming. Yeah. But you're still trying to convince yourself that you might not know.

And this guy playing it, tremendous. Literally shaking. Yeah. And this guy playing it. Tremendous. Literally shaken. Jack knows you got a gun back there, stupid. tremendous reveal for our villain here that's like one of the best reveals in movie history right there maybe bias because we're watching this movie right now but even with the circus music now great score once again danny elfman you know this is four things man it's it's tim burton it's michael keaton it's jack nicholson and it's danny elfman those four names all elfman is as important to this as like john williams is to star wars absolutely and dude didn't even think he could be a composer tim burton goes to oh look

at this bruce wayne got laid and he's doing that creepy watcher sleeps there you know that's the dark side of him that you know watch that yes yeah that's the batman in him by the way you know a scene is good when it caused the three of us doing a podcast right now to go silent we just watched that joker entrance yeah people are going to think they're they're stuffpped out. Your feeds did not cut out. We were just captivated by Jack Nicholson's performance there. And he's like, I don't know what to do. I don't cuddle. I'm tortured and dark. I can't cuddle.

Maybe this is a perfect opportunity to sleep away and hang up. I know what will make her think I'm completely normal. My favorite look of any Joker in any media ever. You like the prosthetics too on the cheeks. I love how it looks. I love the lighting. I love the furniture, the set design, the costuming, the lighting outside the window, the bullet hole still right behind his face there. That fucking grin he gives you right there.

That is quintessential Joker visual right there. And this Joker is a really good clown prince of crime. When we look at other Jokers, you look at like joaquin phoenix i could never picture that guy as the clown prince of crime organizing crime like a gang leader this joker i absolutely can in a heartbeat i can i see him sitting at that and i'm like okay he looks like a kingpin in because you have to you have to find the balance between silly and intense you know i love the nolan trilogy i mean i think it's brilliant i think it's you know from start to finish throughout all three movies i don't know if you could make a more perfect interpretation of the story and the characters

but there's an argument to be made that they're no fun yeah there's not many jokes at them. And I want to have fun, man. And, you know, like the Adam West version, the TV show is too far in the opposite direction. It's too silly. It's not dark enough. I feel like this is really a great balance. I feel like since Nolan kicked the intensity door open, everyone is just trying to run through it as hard as they can. Like, now we've got a Batman who uses the F word, apparently. Yeah, that was just oh man like are we gonna have robert pattinson like shooting heroin into farm

like how much further can you go of the batman i hope not i hope there's yeah i hope there's some levity in the pattinson movie because i agree with you like i love the nolan movies dark knight like i said maybe my favorite movie ever, but he almost ruined it a little bit. Nolan almost ruined it because everyone's just trying to get as realistic and gritty and dark as they can, and you don't have to do that with comic book movies.

Yeah. Oh, boy. All the crime. They always find a way to get all the crime bosses together at one big table. This is very Dark Knight, right? This is like the pencil trick scene. Yeah. I heard that the Dark Knight was, the Dark Knight Returns was inspiration.

That makes sense dark knight returns and the killing joke i heard were inspiration the killing joke for the vat definitely like that imagery is very similar so this was confusing to me as a kid too about now we're seeing him with with flesh tone uh face again very confusing to me as a kid as well. I never understood that. Speaking of silly, we got the old hand buzzer to death. I remember hand buzzers were big in my world at this point. As a seven-year-old,

you would have someone who'd bring one into school or whatever. And I was like, they could fucking murder you? It was terrifying like could a whooping cushion kill you too that was the other big thing you know what time it is look at this clem robbie we have to get right here it's time look at this thing all right guys get your uh get your joker goon jackets on they're here now i left mine in the city clem it's joker goon jacket time bro this is why we have youtube what things like this oh you guys didn't bring your joker jackets so tell uh the youtube viewers if you're listening on the podcast you can't see what my brother just

put on but he is literally wearing like one of the jackets that they're wearing in the movie right now a joker goon jacket that was custom made this was custom made by our uncle he makes leather jackets i'll put in the pictures and that if you're watching youtube like the progress of it because he just bought it as a black jacket and he turned it into that hand painted the patches on it and shit sewed them on painted the jacket purple it's pretty fucking crazy and this is like my brother how long did you look for that before i've wanted this jacket since i had the bob the goon action figure and saw that they had this little joker face sticker on the figure i thought it was the coolest thing in the world i love that figure for that reason i asked mom if i could bring him

in the bath one day brought him in the bath and the fucking joker patch sticker fell off and i have never quite recovered from that and uh yeah i always just wanted this jacket apparently they used to sell them at like warner brother stores or if you had the warner brother catalog like if you were a 90s kid you had this vhs it started with like an advertisement from fucking bugs bunny and daffy duck talking about the warner brothers catalog where you can order batman merchandise and was just like why do we not have that i I need to order Batman. So I've looked for this jacket for the past, probably 10 years on the internet and never found one, never saw one up for eBay or websites or anything like that. And I would tell our uncle Dennis, you know, I'm still looking for that jacket, you know,

can't find it. And cause he was really good about finding you know odd shit and hard to find shit on ebay and on the internet and sure enough this past christmas he showed up at the house with a box that said access chemicals on it so as soon as i saw the box i knew i'm like i know what this is man and he looked at me like yeah you know what this is and i opened it up man and sure as shit here i am i'm a joker goon whenever i want to be clem dog read it and weep clem the level of detail on the box had literally stamps on it fake stamps that he had made that had each joker face on it every single person that played the joker and then the sense was the year that the movie came out in which they played the joker i mean i'll put all

the pictures into the video so everyone could see what we're talking about we're not just bullshitting you this was an all-time christmas present is is uncle dennis the one that made you the funko pop the is oh i could go get it it's here hold on i'll go grab it goddamn legend i need to get in the fox family for many reasons and just have uncle dennis i mean the man is a gift-giving legend a legend a custom legend. I eventually nicknamed him Uncle Give because he's always giving some cool shit like that, some custom shit. Hell yeah. Oh, man.

Robbie Fox Barstool. I still don't know how we don't have those in the store. Dave is fucking a celebrity enough. He's going to have a real Funko Pop. Let's just make our own Funko Pops and beat everyone to the punch. For real. There's jackets in the store, too.

I swear Dave is going to get a Funko Pop of him eating pizza i think that's gonna happen i say by the end of 2022 there is a dave portnoy one bite funko pop that exists mark that down listeners put that in the sports book over under yeah day or of 2023 by the way vicky veil photographer journalist uh stage five clinger like what she just happened to come upon him in this time in his life of the anniversary of the parents death i guess it's a dark thing for bruce to do too huh seems like we started cutting some corners in the script here boys what if now hear me out what if this is the anniversary here seems like go to their graves man don't go to the place where they got shot that's a little too sad you know what though i buy it from keaton true keaton's dark and you know batman's got to be

dark and mysterious and shit don't pick those up that's disrespectful it's not for you to pick up vicky come on martha and tom looking fine only gets you away with so much vicky it would be great if there was a like some kid on the side that saw that all happening he's like hey put that down. You know, a hobo picked those up two minutes later and tried to sell them. I know because you see it all the time with the John Lennon Memorial in Central Park. People put flowers there and then homeless people pick them up. Classic maneuver. that's a good burn good burn by the reporter every reporter in this room has a fedora there's not one without a fedora

oh we got a little tim burton creepiness for you here clem this this reminds me of of animated series shit. I could see this happening in Batman the Animated Series. Completely. Great music cues here, too. The piano. Classic Keaton face. Like, look at this fucking guy.

Give me a break. You know, a really goodime is pretty damn impressive agreed it's a lost art i think yeah you see a mime on the jersey short boardwalk you could watch it for a good 30 seconds before you move on yes i was on uh reddit the other day and it was like uh name something about your country that isn't true that everyone thinks is real and someone's like i've lived in france or paris my whole life and i've never seen one mime and i'm like are you fucking that stuns me i would imagine there would be mimes there like we have like performers in time square like you would think like by the uh fucking eiffel tower they got mimes by the way joker's get up is a little more fancy like

you ever been in a wedding and the groom calls you and you're like, I need you to go here to pick up your suits. You think he was doing that with the other mimes? I need you to pick up your mime suits by Tuesday. I got mine picked out, but I need you to be on point with me. Like knowing how hard it is to wrangle a group of people together for anything. Picturing the Joker trying to do that it's hysterical do you think the joker plotted that whole death just for that line about the pen is moneyer than the sword that was his whole reason it's like we could shoot him we could poison him we could do whatever stab him in the heart with a knife nope let's just get that pen joke in there

and i kind of respect it right i feel like it's a very joker thing to do is come up with this grandiose plan just to say something you know cute i love it it makes them great now okay mike as a as a you know the the og's batman guy here like is there who else like it has to be joker for any batman the first batman movie and all this kind of stuff if if it wasn't joker for some reason they couldn't do it, who would be number two on that list? I was like, I'm not a diehard, diehard Batman guy. Like the Joker and the bat or Batman are, you know, peanut butter and jelly when it comes to that. But who's like the number two villain on the list for Batman?

I feel like the, the 66, you know, TV show just based on that and everybody's familiarity with, with the big ones they always saw, I feel like it's got to be either Riddler, Penguin or Catwoman, just because those were the constants in TV show by then. I feel like there was even talk of a Robin Williams Riddler in this. I heard, I've heard that. And maybe even a robin williams riddler i've seen like fan mock-ups of that before people have done like photoshops of him as the riddler because i think they talked about it for this one and then briefly discussed it for a third potential third batman movie that tim burton would have done i thought two-face right away but you're

right about the 66 thing like two-faced wasn't in 66 so it would probably have to be riddler or penguin or cat woman which is surprising they had every other fucking stupid goofy character yeah they had king tut like people they made up for the show but but no two-faced i like bookworm and egghead Good villains. Those are like James Gunn needs to come in and do something with those guys. He's weird enough to actually make them work. By the way, there was rumors not too long ago, I guess when the Snyder cuts thing really started,

you know, taking off, like and looking like being a thing that apparently there's a Schumacher cut of Batman Forever, which has a much different tone, which I really dig Forever. So I'd like to see that. I thought Val Kilmer was good. I would love to see that.

I looked it up and it says here, Robin Williams was initially potentially thinking about being Joker if Jack was kind of on the fence about it. Then once Jack said yes, obviously Robin went out 95, he refused to do Warner brothers movies because of the Joker snub. Then it looks like he might be the Riddler in forever, but then burn and key and walk. And then Schumacher brings in Carrie as his Riddler.

And then it says even here, Chris Nolan was bringing Joker to Batman and he knew Robin Williams wanted a piece of it. And it and uh but it says kind of just went different ways obviously with heath ledger which i mean that's as much as i love robin williams i think they kind of nailed it with these two it's just him as the riddler in forever would have been interesting right i mean i love jim carrey in general but there's nothing there that like you could change whatever you put robin williams in anything i don't think you go wrong that's an all-time what if robin williams joker

imagine a world in which like comic book movies were so popular that he could have gotten like a solo joker movie in a different universe like joaquin did by the way check this out bob the goon underrated photographer oh yeah tremendous oh he can work for getty images that's good shit and he knows it too he's like i'm so unappreciated look at this i took for him i i love the dynamic they have to like he doesn't have to say bob you know at a boyoy, good work on this. Bob knows. Rob, you know, when

Portnoy is just speaking to you as an equal, it makes you feel good. I don't need a pat on the ass or anything, but just not looking down on me. Look at Bob. He's shining right now. He's glowing. He knows he did a good job. He's proud of himself. And by the way, Clem, if you notice notice if we see it at all on bob's sleeve he's got the most

joker cards on the sleeve not every joker goon has so many cards on the sleeve it's like the ohio state you get the buckeye on the helmet you do something yeah he definitely got a couple of joker cards for the that fucking uh photography right there too it's like did what kind of lens did you use on this bob it's fantastic oh man once again playing with time feels like we're back in the 30s and it works yeah that's like an old school charlie and the chocolate factory speaking of tim burton from the outside with the big pipes. Assembly line, one guy just staring at everything.

And these are the scenes where they were like, all right, Jack, just fucking go crazy. Be you. Go nuts. You want to get nuts? Let's get nuts. Once again, a little foreshadowing there. By the way, I've worked in the CBS Evening News studio. The lights are not all off right before they turn on.

I don't know why they invented that. It's like they got to save on electric. they turn everything on right before they go live it's like a cheap dad it's like the dad from a christmas story is just like just turn on don't touch the thermostat yet oh no that doesn't happen either they don't grab pieces of paper and say this just didn't once again as a young child this was very confusing yeah yes you know how drugs can affect someone how laughing gas affects someone all right so i noticed something eventually and i i noticed it maybe about a year ago he takes over the broadcast here and eventually it clicked in my mind that the joker

like one of his character traits is hijacking television broadcasts he doesn't hear he does it in the dark night yep does it um joaquin does it at the end of that show oh shit he does with the nero yeah uh he even does it i i realized that this past christmas because i put on the animated series for my son. And I put on the episode Christmas with the Joker. And Robin wants to get back to Wayne Manor and watch It's a Wonderful Life because he's a kid. And they get back to watch and Joker has hijacked the broadcast. And he's putting on Christmas with the Joker on TV.

So, yeah, I'm like, this motherfucker is all about screen time. It turns out he just wants on the magic box. He does it all the time. He's like an attention whore. If the Joker was around nowadays, you wouldn't be able to miss him on Twitter. And I'm curious if anyone who had anything to do with those different versions of it realized it and did it intentionally or the most random coincidence throughout the different incarnations of that character.

I feel like my jacket's making noise. I'm going to take a year. I was wondering if you were going to get hot. People are like, what is that fucking noise? That sounds like leather. It's killing me. Uncle Gift. Uncle's killing me. Uncle gift. Uncle Dennis coming through.

Also a big part of the reason why I'm into the UFC. So shout out to uncle Dennis for that. I was going to ask if that was a Mike thing or not. So no, not really. I mean, you, the first UFC paper view I ever saw was at Mike's house. When you live like a couple of houses down from us, it was Lesnar's debut. And you bought that, invited a couple of friends over, invited me over.

I was like, this is dope. I stuck around. You were like, ah, you could have that. I can't believe, like, I remember UFC back when it was, you know. That guy looks like shit, by the way. Oh my God. He's got COVID. This seems like a good time for an ad read here on this broadcast.

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You know, we're all out of commercials you're gonna get to watch the rest of this main event live and we're getting to some great parts of the movie right here this is like one of my favorite parts of the movie i feel like coming up and we're definitely back in the 80s because that is one 80s motherfucking outfit vicki Vale is wearing right now. Vicki Vale has some fucking, I hate to say it, manhands? I thought those were Keaton's hands. Clem, I'll not have any slander of the Vicki Vale on this podcast. Manhands? Those are fighting words.

I thought they were Keaton's hands at first. That's all I'm going to say. Someone tweeted me that about. Oh, fuck, he's right ah someone tweeted me that about megan fox which i guess is a thing people talked about her thumbs for a while but i tweeted a picture her and mgk at the ufc show and they were like yeah i would never talk to those man hands like what are we even talking about random guy on twitter damn you clem how often do they open the box that says urgent and written in crayon and it works out for you again a good way not too often right

by the way do you think they've uh come up with a covid mask that looks like that mask because i now i want one oh shit that's such a good idea i mean we're now like the only three that'll get that that's the nerdiest of nerdy references but that's an amazing idea maybe even a tiny little like urgent on the side and now we're gonna get lawrence another tree we're getting a little prince it's party man you know what i lied it's party you got yeah you got to throw the purple on the party man clem the purple for prince this has always been one of my favorite scenes in the movie i don't even necessarily know like why i loved it so much as a kid maybe just because it's fun you watch them having fun so it's like i don't know that'd be fun to go and mess up a museum you see that painter's toolbox that was hot pink yeah i just imagine

joker being like and you this is your toolbox for the day it's hot pink i made it that way no way that's jack right in that right they got a calligraphy guy it looks great it looks so good that motherfucker only got one card on his sleeve he ain't worked his way up yet so the mask they have one on etsy but it's a prop so i don't think we'd have to you know covid covid yes it's not like made for covid 45 bucks 3d printed i bless people just for making that stuff and like i can't wait till 3d print oh that's that looks pretty good it looks accurate i can't wait till we all print. No, that's, that looks pretty good. It looks accurate. I can't wait till we all have 3d printers. Like we all had printers at one point. That'll be fun.

I would have 3d printed a new fucking Joker goon jacket sticker from my Bob. Oh man. Uncle Dennis is going to be putting in work. At his disposal. Oh yeah. Once that sticker fell off bob's jacket that was my undertaker figure because i didn't have an undertaker yet

oh so he had the hat on right he had the hat and the leather like the black glass half full now i have an undertaker i like that because they didn't have an undertaker hasbro at that time yet by the way another joker trait right talking about man's woman kind of in a romantic terroristic way he does it to rachel dawes in the dark night at that party and he does it to her here and shout out to prince we just turned prince off but he did the soundtrack for this movie you could listen to the entire batman soundtrack but from prince bat dance is on their legendary music video where he's half and half batman joker just fucking legend prince did a concept album but then they were so impressed with elfman score that they told

him we're gonna release your score as a whole separate album and they did wow that and that was the thing is when those two names you have prince and then danny elephant back to back and it's just two fucking titans there right oh mike you mentioned before you didn't finish the thought about um danny elfman didn't think he could be a composer and didn't tim burton call him up and what was he doing before he was composing he was in a band he was in a band called oingo boingo which i've never heard of but i imagine it sounds just as fucking wacky as all this music he's come up yeah some weird prog shit maybe tim called him up to do peewee's big adventure which was his first big major you know motion picture and yeah daniel was just like i can't score movies and i guess tim was just like i think you can and they wound up to do beetlejuice after that batman after this

and like i said set the tone for what a Batman score should sound like they took it and made it part of the animated series it's still what you think of really when you think of the Batman theme it's this definitely so that is my other Tim Burton criticism is I loved Peewee's Playhouse growing up and I fucking hated Peewee like large Marge Marge scared the shit out of me that's what it was that was my number one most terrified moment like we were saying with joker before nope large marge like the fucking eyes googling out and i had a kid i grew up with in my neighborhood who would like pause it on that scene and be like hey come on in here and he'd play it and it would fucking you know traumatize

me for another year so what a bully like how do you make peewee's playhouse weird and creepy man come on it's peewee's playhouse he and creepy, man? Come on, it's Pee-wee's playhouse. He did make it weird and creepy. This has always terrified me, by the way, the mask that she's wearing. Yes, big time. And even when Joker has that flesh-colored paint on with the prosthetics, he almost looks creepier than when he's white with the red lips. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I remember that being a little bit freaky deaky when I was three years old in a dark movie theater, for sure. A little Phantom of the Opera-esque, right? Yeah. And I don't know why he showed her that. I think he's trying to woo her, but he's going about it all wrong, from what I can tell. He's intimidating her into being wooed color scheme great too the orange the turquoise the purple yeah it is and he really was i'm trying to think but i feel like for a lot of the early comics that I could remember, and obviously all of the 66 show, he wore pink, the Joker. And now a lot of people think of purple as his main color.

Maybe it started here. Well, I feel like I once read or heard something about Jack having approval to a certain degree over the look. Was he the biggest name actor in this he had to be right great at this point yeah jack yeah i mean he's he's headlining over anybody you know in the credits in the opening for sure batman through the ceiling i mean how many times can we watch batman through this glass ceiling if i ever make a batman movie which i'm not going to but if i ever do he's coming through a glass ceiling at some point yeah only right now iconic great joker moment always joker constantly being foiled and constantly just

kind of digging that he's being foiled and our first look at what is also my favorite batman my favorite joker my favorite gotham well this is also my favorite batmobile such a good batmobile i love the long look that they would sort of base the animated series line on just in its length um but this is so awesome i love the wings on the back. I love the turbo booster in the back. And the Joker vehicles are just as cool. You know Bob was bringing those vehicles to the paint shop one by one. He said, I can't believe how many times I got to come back to this paint shop. I got to do fucking everything.

But then he's like, I do got to five cards on my sleeve. Yeah. If I want to keep my status, i got to do what he says i heard when they built this batmobile they built it with no door they showed up and they're like great it looks awesome how does he get in the thing really and they kind of just supervised on it like oh shit he's gonna have to get in the thing don't like anything so they went back to his drawing board and they're like all right what if the top slides open like you know like an old bomber plane or something always just trucks full of cabbage and lettuce ready to fall in action movies and blockbusters

great breaks on the batmobile alfred's got that thing tuned up fine it is an odd time to be doing construction work too right definitely and by the way this is vicky's first look at batman right yeah and in person so it's do you think now now now here's just going to do whatever she says she's just like i'll say i'll do whatever you say she got she got real close to him in bed bruce wayne what if she recognized batman's breath what if he has like a certain breath mint bat breath she recognized the bat breath i'm sure he's got something you know those sprays he probably has one in his belt that alfred refills and she's like oh shit i know that spray how much do you weigh

yeah that's that one's not gonna fly in the 2023 version on twitter he'd be canceled on twitter that man asked a woman how much she weighs he is a vigilante for that one why would it matter Batman I'm nervous about my man hands comment still if I shouldn't have said that in post production Bob oh yeah

and they just cut to him too on Monday there Clem oh brutal there, Clint. Oh, brutal. It blasted him good. Check his wallet, the bat wallet. devotion to the game there just taking that oh yeah a bunch of goons with that's the content game she would be a barstool employee nowadays you know never leaves that phone batman kind of hit a kip up like uh like sean michaels by the way that goon with the glasses and the uh the hat he kind of looks like fucking the guitarist of cheap trick rick nielsen is that his name uh no rick's the singer there are cheap trick fan screaming the guitar player's name into their phones right now at you, bro.

Robin? I thought Robin was the singer. Oh, you're right. Shit, I'm wrong. There are people screaming at me now. Rick's the guitar player. Sorry, Cheap Trick fans. Where'd the Joker find a guy trained in swords? Well, maybe he wasn't trained in swords, actually. He was probably a guy who told the joker he was

trained in swordsmanship bob found him yeah true he was one of bob's guys he said bob i need a guy needs to know how to use swords go find him he's like my boss is the worst i can't find a guy who's fucking good with scrolling through the yellow pages. He goes to S immediately. You don't want to start with S it's not going to say sword. It's an S words. He's like, no, no,

I'm a swords guy too. Don't worry about it. You want to go to K for Kung Fu master. Yeah. M martial artist. Yeah. Yep. Bob is just wants to get that fucking camera from her.

I love this by the way. You weigh more than 108 Brutal truth bomb She must have pissed him off as Bruce Wayne For him to take that shot as Batman You know he would never say something like that if he were Bruce This is one of the best shots in the movie here I feel like this stuff I definitely heard this from one of the commentaries but i think they

had to speed this footage up right because the batmobile that they built like could not go very fast yes correct and there it is those eyes those michael keaton dark selling me a batman eyes where are we going no response cold another thing that might get you canceled nowadays when a girl asks you where you're going you got to tell her oh yeah that's that's the sped up shot right there you can see it yes this was part of a diet coke commercial in the late 80s early 90ss, too. Really? Yeah. Batman was a Coke guy? That's fucking devastating. It's a Pepsi guy.

I had a Diet Coke and Taco Bell on this promotion, I think. Did either of you guys ever try the Batman cereal? Yes, I got it. Clem, you're not going to believe who got me a box of Batman cereal for my fifth birthday. We made it for you like uncle dennis shows up uncle give shows up on the fifth birthday with the batman cereal and shrink wrapped to the outside of the batman cereal is the bat bust piggy bank oh wow little slit on the top of the cowl to put my communion money into the The Batman cereal tasted like

soggy Captain Crunch, if I'm being honest. I feel like I would like it just for having the bat symbol on the box. Like I got the Baby Yoda cereal and it kind of just tasted like soggy Lucky Charms and I loved it anyway.

I ate the whole box. I'm just so amazed my uncle gave it right now now it just makes me feel really bad as an and by the way our aunt his wife is the one who designed like all of our tattoos me and him very creative couple there the most creative you could imagine yeah don't even try you're not gonna reach that plateau yeah it's like i'm i'm just i might just go the other way and just bring all and a basement listener, by the way. Uncle Dan is probably listening to this.

Oh, yeah, he listens every week, Clem. We're getting Uncle Give on the podcast. He's a Clem fan. You got to get Uncle Give on the goddamn thing. Get him on a movie. Pick a movie, any movie, Uncle Give. We should. That would be fun.

Great. Look at the Batcave here. Got all his gizmos, his gadgets all painted black. Hey, I think you're right about the bat breath too did you notice the scope on the desk yeah not a bottle of fucking scope you're right about the breath i think bro the bat breath is gonna be an issue when you think about real life and batman bruce isn't thinking about his personal relationships by the way why does he trust her to break the news about cracking the uh poison code of all people he's giving it to her listen sometimes women have that effect on you he's been inside of her yeah he had sex and he was like i would like to do that again so you could have this this story. Yeah, but she doesn't know that Batman's been inside of her.

Oh, fuck. You're right. So, yeah, it's not even like it's just him being a simp, really. He's just like, you're the best. He's like, I want to tell her how much I care about her, but I keep my identity revealed. Is he about to take the cowl off and have no uh face paint under it too or not in this scene but he does that and oh he does that in returns at the end returns when he rips it off and it looks so flimsy when he rips it off too you're like oh damn he was working with

silicone that whole time and they only show him with no eye black under the cowl for a split second but in that split second you're like what's going on there yeah what's different about what i just saw there yeah i like the shot in the new uh the pattinson trailer where you see he's got like the eye black on without the mask on it looks dark and it looks like fucking you when you used to drum with eye black on you gotta throw a picture on for those people you look like a maniac it's all about the presentation well we took the film he got his hand down that shirt and got that film

speaking of simps everyone wants a piece of veil can I do your laundry can I walk your dog anything that's nox this movie does it is like moving more i want to say more than i remember like it's only been a few months since i've watched it but there's not a lot of downtime this is like a covid report from a year ago avoid the following combinations that's a great joker look right there with that color scheme yes that's a great joker look right there with that color scheme how many tvs is this guy gonna break how many tvs is bob stealing for him

i'll fuck mother fucker i'm gonna have to go get another tv by tonight i know it look at him looking at that tv he's sad about it he's looking at him like yeah you show that tv boss and you give me that gun i'll take it yeah i can imagine the joker shooting a tv and then handing the gun off to a henchman and being like now go get rid of this gun throw it it's that kind of uh screwy screwy head that you know makes that character so great though you never know oh yeah something that i can't imagine that character doing is getting damaged tattooed on his forehead i just can't imagine him walking into a tattoo parlor and saying damage right across the forehead rocket raccoon said in infinity war a bit much

i love that this batman wears glasses i feel like that's a big big player on our team so she won't take the flowers from here but she'll take the flowers that he leaves for player on our team. So she won't take the flowers from here, but she'll take the flowers that he leaves for dead parents where they got shot. You're a fickle one, Val. Bit screwy herself, turns out. And apparently, with great giant big old man hands. And a big old

apartment, too. Pretty good for a Gothham newspaper photographer gotta hell yeah it's because everyone's fawning over her they're showering her with every yeah and then everyone's giving her the stories the shots yeah but she's got that dedication she took the picture while she was almost getting shot that's true physical assault yeah you can't push her down brother she's coming to play she's this game seven that's a game i i looked at that i was like that's the kind of a padawan braid which i've thought whenever i eventually cut my hair which is going to be no time soon i'm definitely going to get a padawan braid at first just

a little rat tail that i braid that would be so funny mike how do you feel about keaton coming back in the flesh are you like or are you excited about it because it's keaton and it's batman uh both i i feel like this this dcu or dceu is is such a failed attempt to try to catch up quick and accomplish what marvel accomplished and it's a bit of a it's a bit of a mess like i said we have a batman who uses the f word now apparently because yeah and and he brands his villains before they go into jail like imagine imagine batman branding someone come on and uh i mean is he a frat boy the flash i'm just i i don't care about the flash see my issue is i think i think keaton coming back as batman in a multiverse thing is so cool and i'm down for it but i really don't love ezra miller as the flash

so i'm like it's happening in the movie where i'm like i would feel less uh the least passionate about but maybe it'll turn me around on it we do love ezra miller as a possible young ace freely yeah yeah yeah i gotta put the side by side he needs to play ace freely in the kiss movie that they say they're making shout it out loud it's called right netflix is buying the rights yeah we want ezra miller as a young ace we want paul dano as a young peter we want nick simmons as a young version of his dad, Gene Simmons. We have no fucking idea who's going to play Paul Stanley. Paul's got a weird face. Tweet Robbie and let him know who you think should play a young Paul Stanley.

I'll have to ask Ken Jack, too. He's usually good at that shit. If, by chance, you've made it this far with us. We are an hour and 21 minutes into the movie for anyone still listening at home catching up at home trying to queue up we're about to get to one of the most iconic lines i would say the most quoted from me in this movie for sure i use this gif in movies all the time and blogs all the time oh god that's so creepy so we killed her she killed it i get it so yeah herself out the window well yeah that's only gonna end one of two ways there. Oh, God, he's so creepy. Grab that popcorn, yeah.

Don't let him break the popcorn bowl. I mean, that would be over for you. He's like, hey, great line from Jack here. Another rooster in the hen house. right on point bob yeah yeah that's Dave's Frankie right there he's really got his back I love Michael Keaton in this scene he's so good here Bob making sure to laugh

when his guy's laughing gotta get that laugh out. Can't have the boss man. By the way, guy holding the ghetto blaster back there seems to be wearing what appears to me to be like, you know, man of the collar. He looks like a priest. He's got like, it looks like the one little white square, you know, right on the adam's apple

there and then the all black i love that they put this scene in the in the movie where bruce wayne has to confront the joker as bruce wayne and he's cornered and he's acting like a fucking maniac love it and joker is not intimidated in the least bit he's kind of entertained that he gets to partake in this little these little parlor games in front of his uh his woman he wants to woo here oh the popcorn went down god damn it vicky and he said the thing he said the line it's a good thing bruce put that uh plate right in that one spot which hey back to the future see i could make that reference.

There you go. There you go. Reference I understand. Love the plaid pants. Yeah, I think this might be my favorite Joker look in the movie, to be honest. The plaid pants with the turquoise shirt. I like the parade at the end, too, though. Great Joker laugh. I like the parade at the end too though great Joker laughs just being silly blows a big raspberry and floats on by Bruce does that Batman thing yeah it's starting to make a little bit of sense to her I think think son of a bitch always prepared i'd be so afraid to open anything at this point yeah yeah

i don't know if i'm just immediately opening a package the joker left for me i'm not like all right let's check it out. Murdered your buddy in cold blood. At least you thought he did. Knox has been cranking away on the microfiche. I mean, and also typical like friend being like, I think that guy that you're into is not cool i think that i actually understand you way better i feel like bruce wayne prince of gotham I feel like people are just going to happen to know his backstory.

They gotta. Gotta. If you work, if you're a journalist, you work at Gotham's newspaper, you should just now be finding out that the Waynes were killed in the only theater they had in Gotham, apparently, because it's the only one they show us. They drive past it a ton, too, in this one movie. Yes. They're constantly driving past the theater. It's like they're Times Square. True.

And they got that one little patch of grass. I can't imagine such a perfectly manicured patch of grass in the middle of Times Square. But they did it yeah that would be taken over by the the mini mouse people that like take the helmet off the entire day and yeah time square is a nasty place not what it appears to be in the movies full of batmen with no eye black under yeah true there are a lot of Batman in Times Square. Is that Alfred still alive? No, right?

He passed away? No, yeah, he passed. Sad. Great Alfred. Such a good Alfred. And Michael Caine, big shoes to step into, and he did a fucking good job as well. He kind of became iconic in his own right.

Here comes Ed Koch to let us know oh no they're not golden he's calling it off again this is another COVID announcement postponed we cannot guarantee public safety boss grissom sounds like it's a star wars name someone who works for java yes why are they all looking that way like they could yeah is there a screen over there are they on facetime i just keep hearing uh lando's voice in my head he's like what's this guy talking about shoebagger we're back in the 80s 80s punks on motorcycle there's the ramones 80s construction workers standing over a flaming barrel cops playing cards at the bar probably on duty yeah

let's do inflation let's see what 20 million in cash is today by the way that was like a record scratch moment everybody all of a sudden could hear when he said 20 million on the crowd great effect he's got you know I bet it took Bob a long time to learn how to do that effect on the home recording equipment and whatever cave jokers hold up in. $20 million in 1989 calculated to today's inflation

would be $42 million. Almost 43 actually. He would probably round it up to 50 nowadays. You can't say I'm going to drop 40 million over you guys. You guys say we're going to drop 50 mil. You say 50, but you bring the 40 you have. True. Yeah. They're not going to be able to count it. They're not counting yeah we basically modeled uh the gambling cave after batman's tv set up there

so they could have every game and every screen back to this file like he doesn't fucking know it word for word also batman before the internet. He's got files everywhere. That's the thing. Microfiche. And like back when I was a kid, you had to do like, you look up reports and stuff. You don't go to get encyclopedias.

I might have to walk to someone's house that had all the encyclopedias. Different world, Bob. You both have referenced something called microfiche. And it's the first time that I've heard that word in my entire life. I don't know. I thought I was missing out on a reference that I didn't get. What is that? That's what Arliss was looking at with like the newspaper on that like screen or whatever.

It's how they would compile like a projector type thing. Yeah. It's how they would compile old news articles. It was like microscopic images of the news articles and you would like have to go to the library and use the machine to do a report on something how fucking old do we sound right now clem my kid just asks alexa now when she needs a question turned into that matt damon gif from saving private ryan at the end i think this is the first time theatrically we see a scene that we've now seen way too many times martha and thomas wayne getting

shot in an alleyway nobody has been killed more times than martha and thomas wayne and also uncle ben parker yeah these poor motherfuckers they keep digging up the graves just to kill him again also this was big controversy at the time fans were not happy that they wrote in once again maybe we were cutting a few corners here on the script but what if it turned out that a young jack napier who would become the joker killed thomas and martha wayne i didn't have any problem with it because it's all i ever fucking knew i was reading comics at three years old i was like this makes sense he seems like the kind of guy who would kill bruce's parents and you're like i guess that's why he's his biggest rival because he killed his parents they buttoned it up nice for a three-year-old i gotta say i don't hate it i i don't think this uh joker interpretation and i like the guy they got to

play a young jack nichols with two with the eyebrows um i don't think this is as egregious as the like directions that they took in like the joaquin phoenix joker where they kind of took the character in a completely different direction which i was like all right if you want to do an elseworlds thing i wasn't anti that movie is fine with it but um definitely wouldn't say that was something that would make me angry the question is if that had happened today with oh people would be pissed people would be furious dude speaking of furious they go back to back making the fanboys wet themselves here do we have joker be the one to kill the wanes we have now let vicky valen to the bat cave and say no attention to that man behind the curtain and al and alfred just leads her down there maybe clear that with bruce i think bruce right now is thinking all right i got to

deal with this because i like getting laid but alfred is so getting fucking dressed down when i get back upstairs also nice costuming choices he's in black she's in white maybe she's yeah and even she's got the blonde hair he's got the black like it's the full light and dark she could be his knight in shining white armor but i don't know is he gonna let go of his past spoilers he doesn't he's fucking batman it's something that kevin smith said about the dark knight rises that i've also said i something that i love about it's that the fact that christopher nolan actually gave him the happy ending in the end where he's like yeah he went and lived a happy life with like catwoman that's like kind of cool that every batman movie deals with him being pulled away from this life and

being like no it's you know gotham deserves me right now they need me right now whatever nope nolan was like he's gonna go live a happy life joe gordon levitt's got this handled suit up iconic it's all in the eyes little fun fact here jack nicholson received a percentage on the gross on the film and due to the massive haul took home around 60 million dollars as of 2003 still the single movie record of an actor's salary these are all the imdb facts and that i actually know who broke that clem i could update that fact for you it was harrison ford with the force awakens he got he got a percentage of the box office on that and i think it was like

something very low like 1.5 percent or some shit but then that movie you know became the biggest domestic movie of all time and he made like a hundred million dollars from it mic drop mic drop also some some murdering right there mass murder but it's okay because they're bad guys he just drove into that factory dropped a bomb and kept driving you could say bruce wayne's a bigger terrorist than the flag smashers were i mean honestly that would be something that people be pissed about nowadays yeah oh yeah like because people got mad that he used the gun for the batmobile in the snyder movies justice league and uh bvs clem if i had known you were going to call vicky

vale manhands at bruce wayne a terrorist I don't know if I would have agreed I was hoping this was going to end one way in terms of our friendship and it seems to be going the other way it always bothered me a little bit when I was little and even right now that the logo on his chest is what it is here and not what it is in returns because

it's the returns logo on the poster more action love it by the way all the hookers they got in this movie a lot there's a lot of hookers on every street corner that they cut to been approached by hookers in new york city they don't look like that bob adds hell of a backup dancer to his ever-growing resume yeah and i like that he gets to be on the float with joker you know that's like a big spot he's his hype man it's like on nirvana used to have what was the guy's name like dancing larry or something he's just dance on stage with him.

I always think about like when a team wins a championship, like who's on what float. Right. And it's like the guy that gets the first floor with the Lombardi trophy or whatever. And I'm happy for Bob. I'm just really, really for him. Nobody's counting this money. It's definitely not even anywhere near 20 mil. They're throwing this shit out like at the end of Halloween night when parents are tired of answering the doorbell. Just get out of here. I want this bowl to be empty.

What a great way to – what a great comparison. I had a game for PlayStation playstation 4 arkham knight which i believe the last in that series they did maybe but as downloadable content you could download like a uh a time trial racing mode with a bunch of extra maps and they were all the old bat Batman movie sets like this scene with the float, the big 200 cake float. And the purple and green Joker goon cars was part of one of the maps you can race through. And you can choose the 89 Batmobile as your vehicle to try to set your time trials for. And I, man, I would just pull right up to the float and stop and stare at it my son would be like go what are you doing and i'm like but it's so beautiful son

how well they did everything here he's three he has no idea what screen accurate means it means. Look at the mullet on that guy. That's a sick mullet. There we go. Batwing time. Just think about poor Bob having to get in touch with the people that make floats and balloons and all that stuff and having to get this thing.

And he's like, yeah, it's a nighttime parade. They're like, nighttime parade? I don't think they do nighttime parades with big floats, sir. He's like, we just need the floats at night man once again just to reiterate this guy talks and we all go silent yeah it's true commands the screen every time he's on it great look though something's going on up there this thing's here to spoil my night once again and nothing was cooler as a kid than the batwing

the name the look the silhouette that we're about to see. The toy was great because it was shaped like a toy gun. You would hold the trigger and the whole toy, the Batwing, would rest on the top of your hand as if you were holding a toy gun. And when you would pull the trigger, it would pinch those little grabbers in between you know the ears of the cowl and i love the the look of the floats too which they would i feel like lean into even more in returns that's the look i think of when i think of returns like the big cat heads and the big stuff in uh the the celebration in town for the christmas tree lighting or whatever vicki vale always getting a shot that's why she's got that nice apartment content blog never sleeps yep she's the only one who sees this so far. Yeah.

This is Tim Burton's statement on greed and the American system and being dark. Mask up. Yeah, this is a good advertisement for masks. Yeah. I feel like if you went to New York City city once in the 80s you probably can't this was just this is a fair description of it all i wonder how they did like some of the cgi in this in the 80s if it was miniatures or or what a lot of miniatures yeah that would be a cool thing to own by the way we talk about like you know one movie proper whatever owning like the batwing that they used as the miniature or the millennium falcon miniature

that would be kind of dope put on the table you can't own that if you have children though you come home and that should be in pieces on the floor like that's the batwing daddy we played with your toy did you see they put out recently like the ultimate edition lego batmobile from this movie and it's like hundreds of dollars and it's extremely detailed and you know a thousand pieces or whatever yeah that's the thing about this movie too they keep putting out toys and merch from it i just saw that they were putting out a replica batarang from this movie oh yeah they put that out recently it was like target or something it's like they they're not putting out you know toys from movies from the 80s still like they are with this.

This movie's got staying power. There's people like you that grew up with it and now are wearing fucking Joker goon jackets. I was saying, we can't let Uncle Dennis corner the market on this stuff. We've got to start releasing it ourselves. Yeah, true. This fucking guy, he's making better stuff than us. I believe. This is the first time that Batman really gets under Joker's skin and pisses him off, though.

He's not happy right now. He had a whole plan, and now it's fucked. Kind of the first time something's really went wrong for the Joker so far. You know, when they were designing the Batwing and Bruce says to Alfred, I'm going to need, like, pinchers, like, scissors. He's probably thinking, what the fuck are you ever going to need that for? And you know, he just, like, one day before he ever used him for that he like trimmed a tree in wayne manor with him just to be like see alfred i fucking told you yeah and i guarantee he probably

took it out for a spin a few times and the it wasn't there he's like alfred he's like yeah i know i was hoping it wasn't getting called out on it. Oh, Bob catches the fucking bullet that puts him down. And from his boss, who he did nothing but good things for. That still stings when fucking Bob takes one. Rest in peace, Bob the Goon. A true highlight of this commentary. Tracy Walter, I believe. Tracy Walter.

Shout out Tracy Walter for doing a tremendous henchman job here. Is he still alive bob the goon believe so he showed up somewhat recently in a rob zombie movie i think you know what i would like to see him in the mandalorian i want to see him as like a boba fett goon or something the book of boba fett favro yeah because favro took michael bean or whatever his name was from all those james cameron movies and he made him that magistrates corner man whatever you want to call him assistant and he was great that was like a

cool vibe I bet Bob the Goon would be great there get Bob the Goon in the Mandalorian you know in Scarface when he murders Manny and you know that's when he's just completely lost that's exactly when Bob's gone here that's like that's how you know the Joker's basically he's cooked his cheese that's exactly when bob's gone here that's like that's how you know the joker's basically he's cooked at this his cheese has split all the way

off his cracker yeah exactly and the fact batman got under his skin was that was like such a mom move was just to take the balloons away throw them like you just let him go he didn't do anything and completely just threw him off speaking of murdering batmans yeah in the dark night the joker's like come on hit me this one that man's like i will motherfucker by the way way too much time installing the uh batwing scissors and not enough time you know calibrating the uh the aiming learning how to use it learning how to shoot big gun though let me tell you something a little kid sees that shit and he wants a big the aiming. Learning how to use it, learning how to shoot. Big gun, though. Let me tell you something. A little kid sees that shit and he wants a big-ass

long gun. Everyone in kindergarten that day was dreaming of a gun by the end of lunch. I'm sure you all took those counting cubes and stuck them together to make a gun. Remember those counting cubes? So many guns. Counting cubes.

Once again, a lot of focus on gadgets. The armor, not so much. That reminds me of Dark Knight there when the Batmobile blows up and he's got to get the Batpod out of it. I get vibes of the crow here, and obviously this was much before the crow. I feel like the crow took a lot of its vibe from this movie,

especially in this ending here. The crow ends in this big old church. Yeah, like the tower. Church tower showdown between good and bad that gun is preposterous i was gonna say i don't think anyone likes getting a gun pointed at them but how do you not laugh this guy is like sticking you up from three blocks away like what the fuck you could put a gun to your temple and social distance at the same time just the attention to detail made him such a great Joker. You know, once again, Bob was on an errand, Bob,

I need all my walkie talkies to be red and green. Bob had so many tabs on so many different stores, right? This, you know, the circuit city to get all the TVs, the photography, the paint guy he had an uncle dennis honestly by the time the joker shot him he might have been like you put me out of my misery i couldn't hold that up for much longer my to-do list is that 17 things on it still everyone's going to sleep after this parade i'm waking up early and i'm going to the paint store yeah i gotta return these balloons tomorrow.

Plus, you can't give away $20 million. We have bills to pay everywhere right now. I want the Bob the Goon movie now. Clem, you were saying, if not for the Joker, who would be the number one? It's Bob. That is the answer. Oh, not the pews. Oh, man. oh not the pews oh we may have to do like a who are the best like number twos in like sidekicks yeah sidekicks in but like villain villain henchmen yeah we or we could even do uh

we talked about doing teams of like people that spelled john with j-o-n or j-o-h-n and doing survivor series pit them against each other you do hero sidekicks and villain sidekicks because i would like to see like short round take on bob the goon i'm thinking carl from uh die hard he was a good guy all-time number two guy it's a hothead though he is pretty cool you could almost make the case that the number two, the quiet guy from Die Hard with a Vengeance, who just makes the bombs and shit like that. Yeah. But he gets cocked at the end, too.

So I can't even. We're going to have to flesh this one out. But Bob is a number one seed. I think that one goes without saying. Bob the Goon is also just such a fucking great name. Bob the Goon is also just such a fucking great name. Bob the Goon. Commissioner Gordon, always a fucking day late and a dollar short on these capers, man. Yeah.

It's like, remember that period of time where Smitty was blogging like Nate things and Nate wasate was blogging smitty things they were taking each other's stories they're like god damn it they always got to it first that's batman and gordon commissioner gordon's is we will be reactive to any crisis that hits the city never proactive like that is my my promise to you you'll be reactive to everything after it has affected you and the entire city is crashing down at your feet. And you know the mayor is constantly giving him shit for it. Like, you're making us look bad here. You got to be the first one there. Bob, I'm going to need acid strong enough to blow through some bolts.

And he just keeps it right in there, too, you know? What if a little acid leaks out onto your pocket? By the way, Vicki Vale's looking tremendous for the finale here, manhands or not. Agreed, agreed. It's a good thing Bats was just one step above where it was going to crash and blow up the rest of the staircase. But I love all those moments man to me that's you know that's leaning

back towards the 60s where it's fun yeah that'd be fun nope big bell in the way let's call it and all the cops standing around like not a cop on the force is like hey do you think maybe we should go help the fucking commissioner with this right now? Nah, we'll stand back looking smooth with our sweet leather jackets. I wonder if they got those like just from joining the force or what I would I would sign up to be a cop just to get one of those. The tower on the right looks like the Tower of Joy from Game of Thrones, where Jon Snow was born, too. Like, what is that doing in the middle of Gotham? I appreciate that we're going to Westeros for some of our, you know, designs. I like that.

The finale of The Dark Knight kind of happens in a skyscape, in a tower. Yep. And by the way, during the finale of the Good Guy, Bad Guy showdown, the bad guy's voice can be heard from anywhere, it turns out. Yep. It's like a true detective I think of when he's in Carcosa at the end. He just hears that guy's voice. Shout out to the Yellow King. He says, nope. shout out the yellow king he says nope

bob i need a guy with here we go danny elfman score shout out danny elfman again perfect circus you know that's sick fuck music who danny elfman no it's joker oh i was gonna say yeah that's harsh elfin's a good guy that's a great talk about like silly comedy moment yeah that guy was hidden out there for hours he's like i've got the perfect spot. Yeah. I guarantee that guy, Bob didn't hire him. Like, that was when Bob was doing the other stuff.

The other guys hired that guy. Bob always looked at that guy like, he's a fucking idiot. He's going to jump through the wall one day. This guy tunes bats up a little bit, though. This guy's the only guy who comes rather close. He's getting another Joker card. Well, if things went differently. He's like, he's not quite the Buster Douglas of the Joker. He didn't finish the job completely, but he almost busted.

He shocked the world. Yeah. Classic creepy clown move. The bang flag out of the pistol yeah which is the hanger of that coat oh yeah rob post a picture at some point i'll throw the picture on the screen now the hanger of the coat is actually the the bang flag. Goddamn goat. Every detail was accounted for. This guy is kind of fucking Batman up. This dude looks like a young, steroided-up, angry Ray Charles.

Is he the one with the priest thing? No. He kind of has a white collar too oh head scissors little hurricane ranaana action. Hurricane Rana, yeah. Oh, yeah. Big time. And that guy fell in the worst way possible, too. Nothing broke his fall. And the special effects are not cringeworthy. We're not like, oh, Jesus. Not at all.

It's so stupid. The Batwing, I thought, actually looked amazing, especially when they first show it. Which I guess you're, at this point, what, three years out, four years out from Jurassic Park, you're getting there with CGI. Right. Right. I did not like this at all as a kid.

That's creepy when he's dancing with her. I don't like that. I do not like our damsel in distress being messed with. But she spots bats and she's just like, I am help that look that look from the joker's hysterical he's like oh my god i can't fucking believe he's like i did it my whole plan he loves me charm everything has been worth it and she can't get enough. Just grab the bow tie. Oh my god.

She's going to blow me. They kind of just implied that she was going to blow him. I mean if you're going to distract a villain. It's a hell of a plan to distract anyone but I'm just shocked that they did that. Never noticed that before now to me this is a classic superhero hero versus villain

throwdown where they're talking shit to each other the whole time. Yeah. I love talking shit between punches. He finds a way to still be a funny dude with the chompers there. Breaks his hand trying to punch Batman. Classic. You can't punch Batman in the abs. No. It's like trying to headbutt a simone that's so good that's bobby heenan right there

committed to the bit committed to the very end but even in that moment i mean he didn't get the job done he kind of tried to kill the joker with that punch that's true great look this i mean i just the look of this movie the vibe some movies are not you know all-time classics but they have so much vibe yeah and sometimes you got enough vibe you know that's all you really it's all you really need for staying power you know what i think about that bro when you you say that and spinal tap comes to mind because i tried to show a spinal tap to trent like last year and he was like i don't know about this but i don't really get it dude and i was like oh i loved it i think it's one of those movies that has that vibe where like if you're either in or you're out

if you're in you're gonna love it and if you're, you're just going to be like, I don't know about that. Joker helicopter. Staple. Classic. This movie won an Oscar for art direction. Really? Yeah. I would say deserve it.

I don't know what else was nominated, but I'm picking this one. Rope ladder. You know, Marvel's doing the What If cartoon series. A DC one would be so cool. Like, what if the Joker just, like, kicked Batman off in one here?

Like, what does he do next? What if? Oh, and now you're not going. He gave him the Chaz commentary. Now you just can't leave. Which, to be fair, you didn't really try to kill him here no right no hooked him up not saying he's not a murdering ass batman but that's on that's on the church or whoever didn't have insurance on the gargoyle that's why new york city has scaffolding because the brick fell in

the 80s or whatever yeah he doesn't know the gargoyles get a crap out no to be fair to batman too he was probably dying in that helicopter because those guys do not look like they have helicopter licenses i can't believe that thing is flying they don't look like they are experiencing the aviation arts and that's a wrap for good old joker what a brutal way to go like not even just falling but having a gargoyle weigh you down like a cinder block oh boy i feel like 80s new york was like 80 gargoyles too oh yeah everywhere i don't know i don't know if i've ever seen a gargoyle in this city now they really ought to throw some scaffolding up around this fucking church by the way yes yes yes

did they have gargoyles and ghostbusters i know they had like the gozer statue but i feel like they had gargoyles and they talked right yeah they came to life yeah i love the crushed concrete all around him. Very comic book. Yeah, that's comic book. Definitely. That's a big splash page. Yep. And he's like, Bob, one day I'm going to die,

but I'm going to want that laugh track to keep on going. Do me a favor and record something. That was probably the last thing he thought too. He's like, I shouldn't have fucked up Bob. Yeah. As he was on his way down, he was like, Bob didn't deserve it. Perfect catch of grass. Commissioner taking all of the credit for none of the work yep that's a that's kind of a tough line after a bunch of people died too public safety is no longer a laughing matter it's like come on man a lot of people died tonight like yeah let's hold off on that

arliss giving it one last go yeah i think it's a little friend zoned received a letter from chewbacca this morning and for those that don't know mike do you want to tell people about him actually getting paid for batman forever yeah he had to put in his contract that if they ever reprised the role and made him two-faced that he would play the role and by the time they did it in forever they wanted tommy legio so bad they bought out his contract they paid him not to be two-faced that's billy d williams getting a bag for a movie he wasn't even in And now we get a great look here

We've got a signal Vicki Vale feels the urge to look up for some reason Looks tremendous Vicki and the signal that is And now we Alfred just waiting. Bottle of champagne on ice. I know. Like, what a guy.

Wet streets, I'm telling you. Yeah, before every scene, they had a guy with a hose out there. Like, probably Bob the Goon. It was probably Tracy Walton. Like, what the streets you'll see blinky bell and those hands ripping that bruce hands of terry's like i can't get this jar can you get it honey I feel like this is how every Batman movie should end. Every time. Forever.

Can we please be scrolling up the sides of the buildings with this danny elfman music playing you should you should do a fan edit of every every batman movie where this is just the end iconic shot and now a meme people use that as a meme all the time you know they replace the bat symbol with whatever i just uh i just googled kim basinger as manhands and to be fair there's not a lot of results out of there but the number one result is from at farid alvi and he just writes kim basinger as manhands this is from october 17 2014 and multiple people said i just wayne's world two wayne's world two i just did the same thing wayne's world two so i didn't want to know what's going on in wayne's world two oh man. You've ruined her forever for us. For us in the basement listeners. This has been a blast guys.

I really enjoyed doing this. This was a great one to kick off the series of movie commentaries. I'm glad you picked this Mike. Listen, maybe, maybe around, since you mentioned it, maybe around Christmas time, we should do returns. Yes. Let's do returns around Christmas. That'll be our holiday movie. We did Die Hard for, you know, the holidays and our next nerdy Christmas movie will be Batman Returns. I love that idea. Oh, man, we're going to be in like deep into post Mando stuff. Our brains are going to be popping at that point. So that's a great idea.

All right. It's been long enough. If you stuck in there with us throughout that entire commentary, or if you were one of the people who just listened to the podcast without the movie queued up, I know people like doing that. People have tweeted to us and say, I just listened to the commentaries, this podcast. If you stuck in there to the end, past the two hour mark, we really appreciate it. That's pretty fucking cool that you hung out and watched this movie with us. We got Prince coming on the credits now, so I'll let you go listen to that song. Mike, thank you.