My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 131 - BRET HART & ANDERSON SILVA

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

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Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members in the basement, noise in the basement. Just stupid boys making basement noise in the basement. Yeah, yeah. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement, presented by Barstool Sports and 3G. I am your host, Robbie Fox. And today, we've got another interview show coming at you, because things are kind of switching up schedule-wise with My Momma's Basement. So right up front, let me let everyone know that because Loki is dropping on Wednesdays this summer,

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Bret the Hitman Hart. He's got a new biography airing on a e we've been talking about these pretty much weekly on this show and i just wanted to open by asking how have you been how have you been dealing with the uh last you know almost year and a half now the whole pandemic the shutdown now we're opening back up how have you been brett you know i've actually been i've been good Like I'm probably one of the few people that's benefited from it. Like it's, it's forced me to stay home. I put my suitcase in the closet and it's been there for the last over a year now.

And, you know, so it's, it's forced me to stay home, but I'm a guy that's always finding, finding some reason to go somewhere. And it's been a nice respite for me to kind of force myself to stay home. And luckily for me, nobody I know that's really close to me, especially here in Canada, has come down with COVID or anything like that. So I've been spared. I'm grateful for that, that nobody close to me had it. And so, you know, I've just been kind of holed up like everyone else just

waiting for the you know life to get back to normal when it's finally starting to kind of go around the corner now where we're kind of starting to see you know life getting back to normal real soon and so I'm I'm all in all I've dealt with it really well and I've read a lot of books and watched a lot of tv and you know I'm I'm, I feel really good. I've got a home gym. I've been working out, kind of staying positive in my head and kind of come to appreciate, um, you know, life itself and all the good things that I've got in my life and the people in my life. It's been, it's been good for me. I, I've,

I'm grateful for where I am today. I'm glad to hear that. You mentioned you were watching a lot of TV. Do you have any favorite shows that you watched over the past year or something? I'm big on the first 48. Oh yeah. I watch it. I watch it all the time. I watch it. Like, uh, I imagine like, um, wrestling fans watch wrestling. I have certain, um, detectives that are my favorites, you know, big fan of the ones in Oklahoma and Tulsa and stuff and stuff like that and uh hell yeah i just i like the show i have certain detectives that i admire how they're how they how they put cases together and anyway i've become a big fan of that i've watched the reruns i watch i watch it i tape it all the time. I, it's been, um,

probably the one show I watched the most. I love that when I bought your book in high school, I was a wrestling fan. You know, I wanted to buy every wrestler's book and read all about their journeys. What really surprised me was your artistic ability. There's some doodles in the book and you're an artist. So have you been like drawing a bunch over the last year? Um, you know, I have drawn a little bit. In fact, I can say that around this time last year,

I got the drawing bug pretty good and I started drawing a lot of stuff. And then it kind of petered out again. You can only do so much drawing sometimes. Where did your love of like drawing and cartoons come from? Well, I think, you know, it's just the ability ability to make people laugh i've never been a great artist necessarily i've always been a good cartoonist i mean i can draw funny i could draw a picture like i could probably draw a picture of you for example and you go that's me yeah that's it and someone that sees it goes would start laughing laughing. I go, that is, that's him. And I had that ability from the time I was very small. If I drew a cartoon of my brothers or, you know, a wrestler, you know,

I can remember making people laugh. They go, that's, you know, it would only take me like 10 seconds to draw it on a little notepad piece of paper, you know, but it can make you laugh. And I always got where we even in school i mean i got into trouble for stuff like that but i would draw the kid next to me and show it to the kid on my right and then that kid would start laughing and another kid would say it would it would become very um infectious you know where everyone starts laughing at a cartoon that it keeps getting passed around until i get kicked out of the class. But it was like that.

And I think wrestling, I always loved wrestling. You know, I used to always draw. We didn't have action figures when I was a kid. So drawing, I used to draw my own wrestling magazines and draw wrestlers and create my own championships and my own storylines. And it's funny because my brother Owen was a bad guy, create my own championships and my own storylines. It's funny because my brother Owen was a bad guy,

which is like he was just a little kid then. He was five years old. But I remember it's like, you're going to be the bad heart. The one of all the heart brothers, you're going to be the one bad one, which was always so funny because I remember one years later when we were growing up, we were wrestling against each other. It's like, I can remember Owen was like, you're a cartoon. The little wrestling magazines you did have all come true like we're actually doing it today we're actually going to go out of mass square garden wrestle against each other and i'm the bad heart and he looked a lot like how i used to draw him you know like with a little bit of

stubble on his chin he was the bad one and the one heart that uh couldn't get along with all the others. It was based on nothing. But I don't know. It came true, like you said. He loved being a bad guy. The fact that I should have made him different than all my other brothers. And, you know, my drawing is always a way, was an escape to, was cheap. Like I could draw cartoons and stuff all day because I didn't have action figures

to play with and you have that wrestling that passion for it and i really wish i'd had the action figures and stuff that they got from today as a kid if i could have some of those dolls and toys it would have been so much fun for me because i i i believe you know people say where do you get the storytelling ability in wrestling and i go i used to think about it like with with action figures and stuff like that it's like it's really paint by numbers you just you know you can do it with your toys um you know i had a great ability to tell stories and tell drama whether it was playing army with soldiers or whether it was playing with teddy bears and wrestling you know two teddy bears against each other in a chain match or something I was like I could tell great stories and and and the drawing was just

another another piece of that you know just to create cartoon characters. And I used to always create the publicity pictures, you know, like the post pictures, you know, with good guys and bad guys, fictional characters and real life wrestlers. And, you know, I remember even as a kid, I would draw cartoons of, you know, my dad or my brothers or different wrestlers. And then I would leave it in my mom's typewriter and she would I didn't know for years she would keep them in a little file

she'd keep all my cartoons and she'd pull them out I remember she pulled one out where I drew all my brothers um as wrestlers and she pulled it out I remember she would just laugh like it would just cheer my mom up so much to see these they were just on little um those little uh note sticky note things you know yeah but there was like i drew about six different brothers and and left them all in her typewriter and i remember when i used to come back home from from wrestling on the road being champion and stuff like that during those days my mom would pull them out of her you know out of a little file and just say you remember this one and she would start laughing so hard and they were very funny um caricatures of different brothers and stuff but uh you know i just always had that um that that creative kind of vibe going through me to try to, especially it's sort of a gift. You know, I,

I could draw very funny faces and even when I think of my wrestling career, you know, when I used to draw on the blackboard and the dressing room, you know, initially, you know, I can remember I would draw them and no one knew who was drawing them, but I would draw these very perverted um x-rated cartoons based on maybe some rumors that had happened the night before but you hear about so-and-so went out last night and you know they'd be very extra draw these whole things on the

blackboard then i would just start to get dressed and people would come in and nobody knew who was drawing it and that lasted for maybe three or four months where i just keep drawing these elaborate cartoons because you'd end up in a dressing room all by yourself nobody's in there so you can just doodle on the blackboard and then once you were done and everyone would kind of freak out and you got to see this cartoon in the other room and i just remember andre the giant used to love my cartoons like years later when people knew that it was me drawing them um i remember it's like all you had to do was tell andre like brett brett just finished the drawing and then on the other side in the next room or whatever and andre would get up and like charge in there like a big elephant he wanted to see it first and he would always laugh he would

laugh so hard and i remember drawing steve lomb. And I used to often draw the broken brawler, not in the most pleasant ways. And not fairly either, just made up stuff. But I remember drawing him and he goes, why do you always draw me? And he was kind of like hurt by it. And I said, Steve, I said, I'll tell you what, the next time I draw you on the blackboard, I said, I want you to look at Andre and if he's not laughing his head off and I won't draw you anymore. And I remember I drew him on the blackboard

in the act of some horrible dirty deed or whatever it was. And I just remember Andre laughed so hard. And I remember he came up to me, he goes, you can draw me anytime you want. I totally get it now. I see Andre he's laughing like with tears in his eyes like he's laughing so hard and even Vince McMahon eventually was like I remember somebody got mad at me for some drawing I drew in the dressing room and one of my foreman's guy Black Jack Lanza was his name but he got really mad about something i drew on the blackboard and told me never to draw him again i was like okay you're like well you know you're one of my bosses so i can't really i'm not going to push the

envelope too much and i remember it's the very next day i actually thought i might get in trouble for it the next day but i remember the next day i came into the to the arena and it was at a tv taping and vince was standing there with his arms crossed and he's got a big piece of chalk in his hand like this and i walked by and he goes you can draw anything you want anytime you want and if anyone has a problem with it you tell them to take it up with me and he handed me the chalk and such drama over these little cartoons well they were pretty pretty graphic i'm sure yeah not always truthful um you brought up that match with owen at madison square garden wrestlemania 10 and my older brother was there i have brother that's 12 years older than me and so i always you

know grew up hearing legends of this match and we didn't own the VHS we would have to like rent it from Hollywood video or whatever but when I eventually saw Wrestlemania 10 that would become my favorite opening match to a Wrestlemania ever still to this day I think it's a flawless like perfect match when you wrapped that up you and Owen go to the back did you one know how great it was immediately and two fear that it would overshadow the main event well you know the truth is we kind of knew like i knew that there are two different matches like comparing owen and yoko or two different two different totally different um psychologies totally i also knew that the match i had with Owen was going to be a technical,

kind of like a really fast-paced, it's a whole different kind of story you're going to tell. The one with Yoko is a more slow-moving, different kind of drama, big guy, a whole different sort of psychology to it. So I knew that the match with Owen, in a lot of ways, on that given night was kind of a question mark like no one really knows that much about Owen's style um and my style whether it'll mesh together whether it will work so it was it was a bit of an experiment I will say that I think the matches that I had with Owen because I wrestled Owen in the garden, WrestleMania, and then I wrestled them on a whole

European tour for I think about 30 days after it was called the heart attack tour. And we wrestled all over Europe and every just about every country you can think of in Europe. And I would say that we perfected the match. And the star, our chemistry together together only got better and better every single day until i'd say like 30 days later if you'd said which match is this better than one you had in brussels would you say that was better than wrestlemania i would say yeah that was better than wrestlemania wow we clicked really good that night and that was a great match but it only got smoothed out a little tiny ble tiny limit like the little things that nobody would notice except for us we smoothed out fixed and repaired and made better and put a better even

better match together over a period of time but in saying that i mean you know two wrestlers that have never wrestled each other before um two completely different styles Owen was more of a high flyer. I had sort of a slow technical style in the ring. You know, it's not a guarantee that we're going to have a great match. You know, you can dream about it and think about it and try to make it so. But any time you've never worked with someone before or very few times, you know, Owen and I had, I think think one or maybe two tag matches against each other where we got to do a couple of things in the ring in in single like with each other in a tag match but it wasn't the same it's not Wrestlemania 10 and this is a few weeks before Wrestlemania 10

and you know we when we originally started to put the match together, I remember I, I had all these ideas and how I saw the match going. And, um, we put together, uh, in some ways it might've been a better match. Like we put together this match and it was so well thought out and well crafted. And then I just remember thinking about it and thinking about it. Like what if Owen somehow gets sympathy or um comes across as the good guy or the poor little brother that uh you know and I've been around like I started got my big break in 91 and 92 yeah Intercontinental the world title and all that this was 94 now so it's like i've had two years of being the king of the world in wrestling it really doesn't take very much one wrong move or one

mistake or something that doesn't quite come off right in a match can suddenly turn me into the bad guy and turn owen into the underdog i'm to cheer for the little brother. I'm going to start, you know, I just like him. And we're going to go with him. Like you can switch your, you can switch gears as a fan and go, you know what, I'm going to go with Owen Hart. And it was very, we put together this match leading into

that night at WrestleMania. And it was a great match. A lot of Owen's best stuff, drop kicks off the top, a lot of owens best stuff drop kicks off the top a lot of high flying really oh i remember like all owens best moves like i remember saying we got to get them in we got to get your best stuff in this is the opportunity of a lifetime to tell this great match kind of the psychology so we're going to throw everything at the wall on this one it's going to be everything we got and And it was a really good match.

But I noticed in the tag matches that we did have the two where I think I was tagged up with one, two, three, against Scott Hall and Owen or something like that. It was just a couple of towns in Wisconsin or something like that. We had a couple of experimental tag matches just to get familiar with each other. And I could just sense it doesn't take much to tip it the wrong way where it's something they're cheering for one and I'm the bad guy. And it's like, that's not what we're trying to do here. And so I remember thinking about it and thinking about it. I go, wait a minute. And I remember I called the one up on it was like Thursday night.

We're leaving Friday for a flight to New York for WrestleMania. And I called the one up and was was like Thursday night we're leaving Friday for uh to fly to New York for WrestleMania and I called the one up and it's like hold the phone I said this is like we got to change the whole match you're not vicious enough you're not a bad enough you got to be bad like you do all your high flying and all that stuff and this could just blow up in both our faces where you become the hero and i sink my own boat and become a bad guy and you're just it's a case of not telling the right story and yeah trying to sell you as the high-flying younger brother how great you are isn't the right message that we're gonna we could screw this whole thing up and i said we need to create ways where you're way more of a

jerk than we have and so I said come up meet me at my dad's house and we did we went right over to my dad's house and we met in the dungeon at the Hart House and we pieced together a completely different match

the old one I remember I said this is a great match and a great format, but it's done. It'll never happen. Not right now anyway. And it might've been a greater match to look back on today where you go, that was even better. Could have been better. It would have been a classic Owen versus classic Bret Hart and it might've really worked, but it also might've backfired. So we did a lot of little things like oh one bite my fingers and you know trying to spread my fingers apart and like just cheating

always cheating always and being a real hot-tempered uh bad little brother and so you know it worked and i think that was the right that was the right formula and it was a great match and it was a beautiful experience, but you know, we still had never worked with each other before really. And it was really such a great match and great experience for me. And I know I always talk about it sometimes when I tell like when Owen comes out at the end of the night, when I did win the title and he's standing out at ringside and he's mouthing

a bunch of stuff to me but it you would never understand how proud Owen was of himself that night and how he was he was on top of the world and he was so happy and so proud of himself and he approved everybody that he could carry the responsibility of that match and being that character. And it wasn't an easy role for Owen to, you know, to do all that stuff and turn heel and wrestle against me. It took some, some courage to step up and try to do all that. And he, he filled those shoes so well. And, uh, it was just one of my favorite moments just being in the ring with him. But I will say that the matches that we had only got better and better and better through that whole until we had the SummerSlam match.

Another one of my favorites. Yeah, it was. We had such great chemistry leading into all that time period. It was kind of like magic. Yeah, we just really had so much fun working together and um you know it's funny how you know when i look back on all those times today like how we i remember when they said you're gonna we're gonna work against each other and i can remember telling owen i said we have to do this the old school way like no more riding together no more traveling together no more rooming together but he had roomed with me and we were together a lot and i when we got along really well so it wasn't like we didn't like each other like it was like we can't insult like we can't

insult fans intelligence by pretending we hate each other and then sitting in the bar together at the end of the night yeah so i said we we do this the old school way we don't talk to each other we don't go anywhere we have to we have to make people believe that we really have an issue with each other and um and we did do that and it was funny how we would have the sunday dinners at my mom and dad's house sometimes where it's like we both show up with our kids and our wives and our families and everything and you know they're very structured things very nice um you know where you don't see a lot of family for quite a period of time and then all of a sudden you're we're both there for Sunday dinner and it's my mom's got a big roast beef on it's going to be a big family affair there's some

invited guests that that have been invited to the house to to dine with us kind of thing and and we don't talk to each other and we walk past each other we walk in one room he walks into the next room like we just don't talk I can remember a lot of people on they really don't talk to each other they're really there's a tension in the air, which there never was. Sometimes we'd go upstairs after and talk in private. There was a lot of people that really believed that there was a bad blood between us. It was part of the job. I always laugh about how we often flew together.

Because I was champion. I had all the, you know, coupons and first-class upgrades and stuff like that. And I would just give mine to Owen cause I, I was flying first class. So Owen would use my upgrades to bump up their first class. So we get on the plane and we'd be sitting with each other, like side by side. We wouldn't talk to each other for the whole trip. We just wouldn't talk to each other like side by side but we wouldn't talk to each other for the whole trip we just wouldn't talk to each other and just god forbid somebody looked at you guys right and saw you whispering something yeah well you know there's a funny story about how we went through

um canada customs one time during that this that specific time period maybe about six months into it and it's like we never talked we'd sit at the gate and he'd sit in one chair and i'd sit in the other we'd be a six o'clock in the morning flight to dallas or something and we wouldn't talk to each other we just sit across from each mostly because we're so tired and we're flying away from home and you're kind of in a solid mood when you're leaving home it's like until the plane wheels leave the ground you're kind of in a solemn mood when you're leaving home. It's like until the plane wheels leave the ground, you're actually not on the road yet. And we just wouldn't talk to each other.

But I remember we came through Canada Customs and they detained us both. We both got flagged to get checked and we were both in the line waiting, just him and me. And Owen in those days, his family was waiting right outside the sliding doors like they're he's waiting to go like he's clock's ticking we got our families waiting and they're detaining us and I remember they're going through my bags and they're going through

Owen's bags I remember we were just in this lineup and I remember I leaned back and I said something to Owen like this is bullshit like that they're doing this to us you know and we're just kind of complaining about it and all of a sudden about four of these uh Canada customs agents um immigration officers or whatever they came charging out of this little room and it's like we knew it we knew it we said we knew you guys talked and they've been watching us on camera in the airport in calgary airport for six months and they started to notice that we never talked to each other and we were funny because we get on the plane and sit beside each other and then we would talk to each other because nobody cared but at the gate we didn't talk to each other and they had been monitoring us for

a really long time and they held us said, that's why we detained you. They mousetrapped you, yeah. Yeah, so they, it's like, and then we did. We talked, and we both, everyone and I both burst out laughing and started laughing. And then we, we knew a lot of the customs people, but there was a funny little sort of moment where it's like, you got us, you know. Yeah, I mean, credit to them going through all that. Can't you guys kayfabe, you know? Geez, you to them going through all that you guys k-fabe you know geez you know we're trying to turn a k-fabe here you're wearing it exactly yeah there

was just one one other match that i wanted to ask you about that was actually my introduction to professional wrestling like my first ever memory of pro wrestling was a vhs tape that my older brother had it was called wwf's most unusual matches and it featured a match you versus sean michaels for the intercontinental championship and it was a ladder match i believe it was the wwf's first ladder match in 1992 and history has sort of forgotten this everyone looks at wrestlemania 10 sean and razor they say oh the first big ladder match but this was a really good one. What do you remember about that, if anything? Well, it was the highway theft.

It was in respect to Sean and Razor. They totally thiefed that I stole that idea from me. The whole ladder match concept was brought from me, from Stampede Wrestling to WWF and I tried for years to get somebody to kind of consider this idea of doing a ladder match. I remember I'd sit down with Vincent and say I have this idea for a match but you got to promise me if I tell you the idea that you only do it with me and I asked him for really just about every year I was there, I'd go, what about a ladder match?

And he was like, I remember Chief Jay Strongbow called that a town killer match. He goes, what's a Tennessee town killer match? And I go, no, it's not. It's actually really, it's a great suspense match where you keep climbing the ladder and it's like, it can work really well if you just give me a chance to prove it to you.

And I had come toince with it for years and finally i went to him in 92 and um i didn't know what was going to happen um because i there was rumors going around that wrestlemania or not wrestling summerslam was either going to be in wembley stadium was either going to be at Wembley Stadium or it was going to be at the Cap Center in Washington, D.C. And I remember there was sort of the two guys that were kind of all that I could work with were Sean or Davey. Yeah, of course. And so I had gone to Vince. I said, I'm not sure which town it's going to be, but if it's going to be Wembley, put me with Davey Boy.

Put me with the Bulldog. Put us on last because it will be the best match of the show. And it will be one of the best matches of my career. I guarantee it. I said, but if it's not going to be Wembley, put me and Shawn Michaels in a ladder match in Cap Center. And so Vince is like, what is a ladder match? And I started explaining it again for the millionth time to him.

And I told him, I said, I tell you this idea, but promise me you won't ever do it with anyone else but me. And he said, OK, tell me the idea. And I told him again, and he goes, show me a ladder match tonight. I want to see it. So he goes, find whoever you want to work with and show me how this match goes. I said, okay. So we got a ladder and we hired somebody to go out and get a big giant ladder and the whole thing. And I went and found Sean. And I said, Sean.

And I explained that this is an idea that I had that I promised, Vince promised me would never do with anybody else but me. And here's the idea. And he goes, I explained it to him. I said, it'll be easy. Once you go out there and you figure out how the match works, it's really a fun match and easy to do. Just got to make sure the ladder doesn't fall on you.

So Sean and I i that was in portland maine a few months before summer slam and um i remember when i came back after the match we just did it as a demonstration like i think it's on coliseum video or something like that exactly where i saw that's amazing that that's you know the story behind it that it was a demonstration to show vince what a ladder match was and then i came back to the dressing room and vince goes i missed it he got tied up and got in a meeting he goes i never saw it are you kidding me no that's the truth so he got kind of end up being mean davey and the match kind of went we didn't i didn't need to use that but it's always bothered me because sean and razor stole the idea

from me sean did it's just complete thefted it like like and it was already advertised i remember like looking at the advertising it's a ladder match between razor ramon and sean michaels and i go that's that's my idea yeah i remember sean going i hope it i hope you don't mind and i'm like yeah i mind i mind a lot and i still mind it still bothers me even in the a and e documentary it's like you make out like sean created the idea you know it's like that was my idea and that was stolen like just grand theft auto stolen from me and you know i i you know moved on since then but it was the probably the start of some of the tensions between me and sean go back to that stealing my idea and doing it and then back in 92 yeah and i wrestled owen in a cage in chicago for summerslam yep but if it hadn't been a cage

match it would have been a ladder match with owen and it would have been a better match but it never happened because um and shauna just worked with uh razor at west may 10 so it was too soon to do a ladder match yeah and so they they they stole my idea and uh i don't get any credit for today it's always been a sore spot for me well listen brott i'm telling you from now on i'm going to rewrite history i'm going to make sure that you're the one getting credit on this podcast and interviews i do i'm going to be like by the way you know brett harr that was his idea highway robbery they stole that from him yeah well actually it was a guy named dan crawford was a guy that wrestled for my dad he was the guy that came up with that idea of a match but uh that's where it

started and uh would have would have been great at least in the wwf you know you were the one that introduced it yeah all right well brett this has been an absolute pleasure i'm really looking forward to your a and e biography i feel like if you're a wrestling fan the brett hart story is one that is pivotal like you just need to watch it you need to know it and i'm excited to see highlights of a lot of the stuff we talked about i'm sure the stuff owen's going to be there and just it's's going to be great. All of them have been really well done and it's been an absolute pleasure getting to talk to you. So I really appreciate the time. Thank you very much. Brett, the Hitman Hart, ladies and gentlemen. All right. You take care. Thank you to Brett for

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This is going to be a real professional boxing fight for you. Anderson, thank you for the time. Let me just start off by asking, how are you? I'm good, my friend. Thank you for asking. I'm very good. I'm very happy. I'm glad to hear that. So when this fight was announced, I think a lot of people were stunned. Myself included, MMA fans, boxing fans, combat sports fans. People were like, I can't believe this is happening. You've teased boxing matches in the past. You've had two boxing matches in the past, but it was sort of a narrative throughout your UFC career, right?

The Roy Jones Jr. fight came up and people had talked about it. So we got a sense that you had a passion for the sport and a love for the sport. We were we right in that? Why boxing and why now? Well, you know, I do everything in MMA. I fight in Japan, I fight in Korea, I fight in UK for many, many years, and I fight with the different technique. Every single day when I come inside the gym, I saw my friends, my partners training, my coach helped me to learn different techniques. And I'm so happy. You know, I feel lucky because I continue doing something.

I feel happy in my heart. I feel comfortable. And I love, you know. Is the door really closed on your MMA career, would you say? Is there no offer, no name out there that could come about that would make you want to jump back into the cage? Or are you saying, you know, maybe I'll go on to boxing. I saw you say, this won't be your only fight in the future. It's not going to be your last fight. So maybe jujitsu.

Everything, everything's possible. You know, maybe after that I fight a jujitsu gi or no gi. Maybe I fight a kickboxing. I don't know. But everything is possible. Right now I try to enjoy every single opportunity I have to continue to do my best. You know? And that's it. I try to

pass the good message for new generation and I try to show for every single person and my fans how much you can do everything in your life when you have a passion when you love I love that I think that's a great message for your fans now let me ask you this is your team for this your coaching team your team from MMA your striking team from MMA or do you have a completely new team of boxing team for this, your coaching team, your team from MMA, your striking team from MMA,

or do you have a completely new team of boxing coaches for this? No, completely different team. Coaching for this camp training is boxing coach. Coach Doria has a lot of experience in boxing, amateur and professional. Coach Nico, too. And my partners, my sparring partners help professional, coaching equal too. And my partners, my sparring partners help me a lot too because I have a lot of experience in boxing. Have you been watching

a lot of film on Julio Cesar Chavez? Do you leave that to the coaches and just kind of focus on making yourself the best boxer that you can be? What's your preparation like? My focus is only in my skills. i don't look the julio cesar chavez jr videos or nothing i just try to absolve the whole technique i learn in academy every single day

and i go to do my best i don't i don't put impression in my mind in my body because I don't need to prove nothing for anybody I go to this because I love fight because I love challenge myself you know and everybody talk a lot a lot about that oh because Anderson V is dead, oh, blah, blah, blah. But it's not about old. It's about how much you can do anything in your life when you have passion, when you love. And that's my mission, pass the good message for every single person at work. You have something in your heart. You love your job.

Doesn't matter if you fight or not fight. Do it. Do it. do the best you can, you know? And this is a boxing fight. You're known as one of the most dynamic strikers in the history of mixed martial arts, but that arsenal is now limited a bit. You can't throw kicks. You can't throw your legendary elbows, right? That's all taken away from you now. So will your striking style be reminiscent of the spider that we know or do you think once you step into the squared circle it is a little different would

you compare your style to another boxer wow yes it's completely different you know is i can kick i can use in the elbow can you faint the kick is that legal can you throw up the knees like if definitely not definitely not you can't even you know i'm prepared for that and uh i i i know the the rules and i put everything in my mind and i work in my footwork in my hands too and uh i'm so happy because every single day I saw the details in training in the code the coach passed me and I say whoa this is incredible I can learn more and more you know and uh I'm so happy bro I'm I'm very happy because uh when you when I feel how much I learned every single day how much i've solved the new experience i feel lucky and i i just thank you god for everything you give me and i try to enjoy everything so looking at your boxing record this isn't your first boxing match.

Like I had mentioned, you had two boxing matches in the past, actually. And I was fascinated to see this as a fan. In 1998, you lost your debut to Osmar Luis Teixeira. That was before I was born, to be honest with you. So I think that doesn't even count. You could say that doesn't count. And then you have one win against Julio Cesar De Jesus. Do you think that it's a good omen that you're 1-0 against guys named Julio Cesar?

Well, you know, it's funny you say that. But yeah, I fight amateur boxing in Brazil. I fight professional for many, many years ago. Of course, it's a different level right now and a different time too, but I'm so happy because I love the challenge. I love the challenge and I go do my best. I go do my best and try to pass the good message for every single person in the world. So so i know you're not looking ahead of this fight but i do have one final question roy jones jr is still out there

saying that you are his dream fight this was teased while you were fighting in the ufc years ago um it's been teased for just a long time is this something that you're still open to now that you're stepping into the squared circle we've seen him i mean he boxed as recently as november is that something that you might be down for down the line listen i love roy jones jr i'm big fan and everything's possible right now but my focus is in this fight and after that let's go see what happened. And maybe, you know. Fair enough. I think the fans would love to see it. Anderson, I really appreciate the time.

Such a legend. Thank you, my friend. I do want to note you're wearing an Iron Man shirt. I'm a big nerd myself. Oh, I love it. You a comic book fan? Yeah, you like the Marvel movies and stuff? I love Iron Man.

I love the whole superheroes. Safe to say you love spider-man and dc i love it and i'm spider-man i mean come on yeah that's that goes without saying um i do want to shout out the day we're recording this it's may 28th and dmx put out a new album today the the final dmx album it's posthumous but you know what you are you know the ain't no sunshine when that comes on everyone thinks of you so there you go walking in the in the in the ring and using the same song in ascension becauseX, because the DMX changed a lot, the work, you know? The people don't realize how much GMX helped a lot of people. Absolutely.

And when that comes on, on June 19th, I know the hair is going to be sticking up on everybody's arms and we're all going to be excited for that fight. So make sure you check it out. Anderson Silva versus Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. on June 19th. Anderson, thank you very much. Thank you, my friend.