My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 134 - 'LOKI' EPISODE 2 RECAP WITH CLEM

Episode Date: June 18, 2021

Variants Clem and Robbie return to discuss everything ‘Loki’ Episode 2, including Renaissance Faires, the beauty of a jetski, how insanely SUS the Time Keepers are, whether or not that was really Lady Loki at the end of this episode, and more! 3Chi: Use code MMB at checkout to receive 5% off at 3Chi.com Bearbottom Clothing: Use code BASEMENT at BarebottomClothing.com for FREE SHIPPING Felix Gray: Go to FelixGrayGlasses.com/BASEMENT for FREE SHIPPING My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Just stupid boys making basement noise in the basement, noise in the basement. Just stupid boys making basement noise in the basement. Yeah, yeah. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement presented by Barstool Sports and 3Chi. It is Robbie Fox and Clem back here again for another Loki episode 2 recap. Well, another Loki episode recap. This is episode 2. We are remote now.

We got new fancy graphics. Check it out. That's my name down there. That's me. That's me. That's Clem over there. I'm eating my name for the people on YouTube. How are you, Clem?

How are you doing? Doing great, Bob. We're back in the MCU, and we got some momentum going. I'm very excited about the way everything's panning out so far. So two episodes in, great interview with Michael Waldron, obviously, which was a blast. If you haven't listened to it, check it out on YouTube, podcast, wherever it may be. But I thought that was just, like you said, just a bunch of fanboys fanboying out having some fun like we could have talked to him for like another hour minimum just about just about mcu stuff let alone

all the other stuff he he's into what a cool guy right just like such a chill laid-back dude who holds all of the secrets of the mcu and star wars in his mind oh god i didn't even get into that be like how how much do you know right now and he wouldn't have told told us, but I would just have stared him down and be like, what's coming up? Tell me what's coming up. Because we've been sitting around waiting for this shit forever. And you know what was nice to see is everyone has their different strategies

in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the actors or the people involved of avoiding spoilers or avoiding saying things. Michael Waldron's was just, he would say everything. He would throw everything at the wall to muddy the waters. was like we got luke skywalker coming to the show i'm bringing the x-men in in my star wars movie tom cruise is going to play mephisto imagine those things come true imagine tom cruise really played mephisto and dr strange too he's just fucking with us we wouldn't know we would just be like we would have to like do the tweet and be like told you guys and like

you know subscribe to the podcast that's how you have to do it's a dirty game but do whatever it takes to get those subs tva bastard all right episode two i thought was phenomenal this was one that a lot of people saw early so like jeff d low ken jack they saw it early they had the screeners and they prepared us for an awesome cliffhanger at the end of this one they were like oh my god if you thought at the end of episode one you would be eager for two just wait to see how eager you will be for three after two man those numbers now i'm messing myself up i'm like miss minutes over here but they were right at the end of this one by i mean spoilers if you're watching this again spoilers by the point that they said someone just bombed the sacred timeline it was one of those goosebumps moments where it was just like,

shit is going down. You see the branches going off. I did think this episode was an improvement over the last episode, which I think says a lot considering how much I loved the last episode, how much we gushed over it on the podcast. So two episodes in, overall thoughts, I would say it just keeps getting better. Yeah, I did not think we'd be hitting basically the nuke of the Sacred Timeline this quickly. But A, six episodes, so there's only so much time, right?

We're a third of the way through this, which is kind of like, fuck, after the next episode, halfway through the season, it's like, damn, I kind of want to savor it. But at the same point, it's Loki. So you feel like shit's just going to just gonna like getting to the craziness is like just now loki's in control or he's on the move so there's a bunch of shit up in the air and i think that's the way any loki series should be where it's just like you don't know what's gonna happen next and just chaos and shit coming you know up down left right i was thinking that about being a third of the way through the series i thought that last night actually and i was like

fuck we're like we're literally we only get to do what we've already done two more times. And that feels like we just started this journey. But then it leads into the movies, then it leads into the what if, then it leads into Hawkeye. They're going to be overloading us with so much content, punching us in 1 16th speed with their movies and TV shows that we're not even going to have time to like reminisce and be homesick about Loki. And I got to do a little bit of housekeeping here.

We got it in the comments. We got it in the tweets, all this kind of stuff. We know Loki's last name or his dad's name is Luffy. Luffy and then Luffy's son and then Odin and Odin's son. Listen, we're two idiots. What do you expect? It's still what do you expect it's still a bad

name it's still a bad name but i do know thor odinson and i i i honestly forgot that that was loki's dad's name but i've seen all the thor movies so i know how it all goes i've seen the death and all that kind of stuff you know the worst for me was i've been on record i don't love the first two thor movies i actually feel like I like the second one better than the first, which I know is super controversial. That's one of those Marvel Universe hot takes that'll get you burnt at the stake like Agatha Harkness. But the worst for me was I was editing last week's episode, and I put on Thor 1 for the first time in probably a decade. And I watched that scene with Laufey, and it all clicked. And I was just like, we are going to get lit up in the comments about this and oh my god i was right i it was the most

i felt like i was you know i was loki sitting in the tva watching my future literally i was like oh fuck no banos is gonna crush me with those comments hey so future clem and robbie if there's a way to time travel if you guys go to the tva and we fuck anything up on this podcast right now because we're going to because we're idiots use the time travel thing use the little things that fill up and you know make everything disappear and and edit us basically because we can't edit ourselves after this podcast goes out so just do it for us because we don't like we like when everyone's like you guys are great we love you guys you love me in the basement we don't like you fucking morons don't you know the

most basic part like it literally says his son his son isn't his last name it says he's his son how do you not put that together we're sorry we're idiots it's a bad name though it's a bad name regardless and listen i don't want to blame everything on the 3g but speaking of the 3g we can do the ad read now. 3G is our presenting sponsor. They are the industry leader in Delta 8 THC products. All of these products are formulated by a Bruce Banner-esque biochemist. I actually look at the reset charges in Loki now, and I'm like, ooh, that looks like you just unleash a bunch of 3G smoke. And then maybe you could fucking shotgun that smoke somehow.

I don't even know if that's how that works. But 3 3g you have all the products in the world on your website at this point can you make a little reset charge vape that would be like for the nerds that would be the greatest thing in the world change the game change the game and that's what 3g did to the delta 8 industry they actually invented the game and it's available online at 3g.com like we said they've got so many products in their storeg.com like we said they've got so many products in their store now they've got vapes they've got tinctures they've got oils that you can make your own edibles with they've got edibles that you can just purchase uh cereal treats cookies brownies more use the promo code mmb at checkout you'll receive five percent off your

complete order now i actually just re-upped on my 3G vapes. People ask me all the time, what is the vape you would recommend? I always go with the Incredible Hulk and the Pineapple Express. Is that because I love the strains more than others, or is that because I love the names more than others? I don't know. I truly don't. Do they work? Absolutely. So be careful with it. You got to be 21 or older. It will give you a buzz. Use it responsibly. But if you do want to use some 3G responsibly, I would recommend the Incredible Hulk or Pineapple Express vape strains. They're fantastic. All right, Clem, you're ready to get into this week's episode of Loki. Yeah, let's rock and roll, baby. All right, let's get right into it. So begin with a great recap of last week. And I just want to give kudos to whoever has to edit these things it's kind of an unsung hero but man they recap the entire episode in 30 seconds and i was like that's

pretty impressive they fucking nailed it man we're in the renaissance fair and it just basically king richard's fair in 1985 right oshkosh wisconsin too one of my favorite names in the entire world oshkosh shout out i i please god if you're world. Ashkosh. Shada, I, I please, God, if you're from Ashkosh and you're listening or watching, please tweet at us. I need to just know someone from Ashkosh. I need it. I need to have a friend from Ashkosh. Imagine if we had, listen, if you're out there and you have a basement shirt,

can you go to like the welcome to Ashkosh sign in your basement shirt, take a picture for us. That'd be amazing. Like he said, though, we're at King Richard's fair, you know, a Renaissance fair thing in 1985. And that is the year Back to the Future came out. Maybe a little subtle nod to time travel there, Back to the Future. That would be good. Oh, I didn't even think about that, Bob. That's a good one. And again, we said this, I think with the sulk during the Karate Kid, every time I realized that 2015, which is now six years ago, is the future of back to the future too

become very very very sad inside so uh but this made me happy that's a that has to be it right that feels like a legit easter egg i mean after talking to waldron last week and and hearing about toy story and jurassic park and all these little subtle homages i bet it probably could be you know back to the future one the tva agents arrive They come through those little doors, which is a great effect. I love when they come through those, like, blurry-ass doors. And they realize pretty quickly it's a trap. They go into it. It's a trap, you know.

They go into this tent. Something comes over the loudspeaker, and it's very ominous, almost like fucking Saw. Like, you're about to play a game, and you're about to lose a fantastic battle, whatever. And then Bonnie Tyler's holding out for a hero comes on. Now, this is crazy that this was the song that came on this week, because just last week we got our first trailer for Kevin Smith's masters of the universe,

which looks fantastic. The animated series, it's going to be on Netflix next month. And they use this song. And then the day after that dropped, we got our first trailer for the guardians of the galaxy video game. And they use this song and then the day after that dropped we got our first trailer for the guardians of the galaxy video game and they use this song so bonnie tyler shout out to her raking in the royalties this week like she must have thought man this might be like a conflict

of interest but i'm not going to tell any of them i'm just going to take all the money just three different universes or i guess this is two cinematic universes and then the other one of he-man the same one here with marvel just fucking it's such a good goddamn song though i love this song it's it might be like if i just need a good song it might be my top 10 um what's the first thing you think of when you hear it the first thing i mean at this point the first thing i thought of was fucking he-man but i don't have like a direct correlation, I don't think. Well, quite another cinematic universe. It's Shrek 2, I think, when he's going to, you know, store the castle and Donkey's a

horse and you have the giant gingerbread man and he just says, be good. I absolutely love it. And then a very personal side of this is Mario Baseball. My wife and I used to play it on, I don't know if that was the Wii or the GameCube, and we used to have batting music for all the guys, and the Goomba was my number two hitter, and this was always his song. It was, I need to hear it. We play Entrance to Me, or at least I would, because this is when I had a life, Bob.

You're looking at a little glimpse of clem before he had no kids and no responsibilities and just was a little more carefree in life and as i talk about marvel for my job so i guess i can't complain too much and this fucking song just a fucking just and like it just got you hyped for the episode it just got me so excited for what was about to go on and it worked for all three the way they wove it into this how it was you know this loki variant transferring the energy from one TVA agent to the other. We're seeing a new power being used.

It was a cool montage, cool way to kick off the episode. We get the title card right after that. But like you said, it's just a fucking great song. I'm not a Renaissance Faire guy. My wife actually, speaking of her again, she's getting a lot of love this episode. She used to work at a Renaissance Faire. She used to work at the old chocolate-cover covered cheesecake stick.

And people go, what do you guys sell here? And she's like, the fucking signs right there, dude. It's cheesecake covered in chocolate, which by the way, our guy, Eddie says cheesecake is better than ice cream. One of the worst takes in barstool history. That was tough. I wish we could fucking TVA and reset charge that one. Yeah, exactly.

I'm guessing you're not a Renaissance fair guy. Cause I know know you weren't a no i've never been to a renaissance fair that would be like a fun video if you and i went to a renaissance fair together yeah i remember ron was thinking about doing some sort of renaissance fair thing back in the day we did like the role models like larping oh if we go larp yeah bob i think this might work we already have a medieval times trip plan with pod fathers you're coming as part of the Clem family. They opened the gates to us. And that's the thing. I think Renaissance Faire is like, they just

seems like a place you're just going to be hot. You're going to be wearing your chain mail or your fucking wizard garb. It just seems so lame. But Medieval Times in the middle of a fucking strip mall? I love Medieval Times. I think Medieval Times are the coolest place in the world. I hope we get to a medieval time at some point in Loki, even though it makes no goddamn sense.

I've also never been to that. That's why I have to join you on that medieval time strip. But it seems like 3C would go great with either, like a Renaissance fair or medieval times. Get yourself some 3C gummies, take a couple beforehand, and oh my God, you're going to be transported into that land.

I hate to say this too, but I have to say it. These TVA, what are they like tva soldiers agents i think i guess mobius is like an agent the other ones are kind of soldiers yeah they fucking stink they are the worst and i get you probably don't deal with variants and let alone variants as powerful as all that often but come on man it like, this isn't the first time you're dealing with a variant. I'm sure they've lost a bunch of them already. Like how many variants has this Loki already fucking like scratched off her list? It's fucking just terrible, man. And the fact that they, they took a hostage too. I'm like, they should have to do

like a cyanide pill. So you can't take a hostage. Cause then all the shit that could, you know, lead from it. So, uh, just a awful job by these tva agents i hate them they were dropping like stormtroopers and they did say that they took a hostage for the first time ever we go back to the tva we get some missed minutes which i was happy about right away we said we wanted more missed minutes last episode we got her right away she's real she's yeah like she's kind of a physical like she bounces around loki tries to like hit her with the newspaper magazine which come on loki i get you you're the god of mischief okay okay we're mischiefing at this episode mischief i get you're the god of mischief but come on you don't want to

hit miss minutes and and she's like jumping around and quizzing him on what he knows about uh time travel the tva nexus events he's learning a little bit more mobius comes over he's like stop that give me my fucking jet ski magazine and he gives loki a brand new jacket which by the way we've now turned into a t-shirt a fire t-shirt that you can see on the screen right now the variant shirt kind of awesome and one that you know i don't want to test our luck but i feel like that can't get c&D'd, right? They don't own the word variant on a brown. That's a brown shirt.

It's a Cleveland Browns colored shirt. Yeah, that's Jadavion Clowney's nickname now that he's with the Browns or something like that. Jeff D. Lowe, this is a Jeff D. Lowe thing we're pitching. I mean, I wouldn't put anything past the mouse. They might, you know, do whatever it takes to copyright the fucking name variant. It's like Super Bowl with the NFL. but just a good work out of the old you're like at 3 a.m you're like i thought of this as i was watching it at 3 a.m i emailed it to our t-shirt

designer yeah at 3 a.m like the merch department at barstool so shout out to allison for for getting that up and everything i i appreciate her putting up with 3 a.m emails from the nerds i actually think it's like a pretty fire, like minimalist shirt though. I think if we have a pop punk show this summer, I'll wear that on stage. Pop punk. There it is.

Cut off. Yeah. I think that'll be fire. Where would the pros wear? As they say, that's that'll be the pitch. And then someone else at a base can do the same thing. Did you notice this was the Easter egg?

I saw someone break down that the screen were miss Marvel when she was, it was kind of like testing Loki on timeline shit. It was a Thanos-based problem, which, you know, where am I? The purple guy is all over the damn place these days. He really is. Maybe before Eternals, they're gearing us back up for his return

in the Eternals. Who knows? But it did. It was like a word problem. It was like, if Thanos eats two apples, he goes back in time and then wants to eat the apples again. Like, will the apples exist on the timeline or something like, you know, kind of cliche like that.

But it actually, they tied it back in later in the episode. Cause that was like what Loki learned. I saw a breakdown where they, they noted that. And that's, this is, you know,

this isn't like Thanos in the year 2025 or whatever. And it's like, he just snapped the whole world. This Thanos is getting, making the cut in a word problem in the TVA, which has every fucking timeline and all these different things. So shout out to my guy for getting a little bit of love there. And we're,

we're hitting fucking, we're throwing the, the, the nexus word is just being used all over the damn place. I'm, I'm really digging that. Like the Scarlet witch and that kind of thinking of stuff is going to exist in this show and in all of Marvel.

So that's one thing I learned this episode. My brain is going to be getting a workout here. Cause a couple of times. God, same. Okay, good. So listen,

everyone listening, if you guys at some point this episode, we're like, this is a little too much for me right now. Let us know, because I'm telling you, I was suffering alone. We were with you. And I didn't know if you were going to be like, oh, really, Clem? I'm happy to hear.

Bob Fox is lost in the fucking mud. I'm stuck in the mud. We're all stuck in the mud together. Well, it was a little 3 a.m. haze because I said, man, I'll see how long it takes for me to stay up until 3 a.m. for a new episode. It took me one week. And then I watched it it three in the morning and when they started going to into the time travel and the reset charges and the variants i was just like what the fuck is going on right now but in the best way like in there like i love that and by the way how about this for a massive massive announcement clem we said last week i haven't even told clem this so he's hearing this live

on the podcast for the first time we said last week that we haven't even told Clem this, so he's hearing this live on the podcast for the first time. We said last week that we were waiting for someone's stamp of approval, someone's important stamp of approval to see how long it took. This week, Glennie Balls came and sat down right next to me. And he's like, Bob, let's talk Loki. What do you think? Right after episode two, literally yesterday morning, Wednesday. So he watched it in the morning.

We got the Glennie Paul stamp of approval he's in. The Glennie Balls. He's hitting it with the five balls of approval. That's all we need, baby. This show has superseded just nerd them. It's made it to the Balls radar. It's made it to the, it's revolving around the Balls. So I love to hear that. Love to hear that.

And Frankie Borelli texted me this morning, and he just said, simply, I'll read this word for word. He said, how fucking good is the Loki show? And I said, so good.

He said, it's crazy how good it is. Fucking unbelievable. Everyone's in on Loki right now. It feels like the show of the summer. It feels like it's going to be by episode three, four, five.

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Can't beat it. So he gives Loki this new jacket. It says variant on the back by the t-shirt, like we said, and they get a briefing on this whole mission. Hunter B 15 is the one who gives the briefing. She is like the leader in some way, a lieutenant. She was the one that took Loki in the last episode, so she's familiar to us.

Mobius shows off different forms of Lokis. We get to see the projection of a Loki that won the Tour de France, a Loki that was a Viking, a Loki that was a massive hulking figure. It was very cool to see is one of those great Easter eggy things that reminds me of stuff that we would see in the Mandalorian or something on a hologram and B 15. This is very important. It's talking about, uh, the magic that the Loki is using against their agents. And Mobius says, yeah, illusion projection and, and whatever. And Loki cuts them off. It's like, no, no illusion projection and duplication casting. Those are two different things. You you're describing them like they're the same thing,

but illusion projection is if you kind of like, how do I describe this? This is where your head starts to get crazy. Illusion projection is basically when you make someone else, you, you take the form of them, I think think and then duplication casting is when you yourself shapeshift into someone that's how i understood it but he described them he's like no no two different things and that's important for later we'll get into why later on i was trying to figure that out as well and i was there i was like all right that part of my brain has already been like destroyed trying to figure out all the different timelines and what exactly we're doing as we hop through these little

metaphysical doors. So I was just completely lost. I'm like, you know what? If something strange happens at the end of the episode, I'm going to say it happened because they did the metaphysical instead of the mirroring or whatever the fuck it was. So again, I'm there with you. This show is going to be a lot to take in in a short time because I

feel like if maybe in another couple episodes They could kind of like walk our hands through it a little More but I think even with that Being said listen We all just had a weird last long year To our brains are fucking just tired Right now I'm just tired so My fucking eyes are tired from staring

At screens my brain is tired from Trying to figure out what's going on in the screens all that Kind of stuff so we're just going to leave it at that. And multiple viewings really does help. I'll say that as someone that has watched it three times now, and I've watched it three times. It feels like it came out a while ago, even though it was just yesterday as we're recording this,

because I watched it Wednesday at three in the morning, Wednesday night, and then Thursday. So it feels like I watched it like three separate days i've gotten sleep in between each viewing so it feels like it's been a while i don't know if that's just the way the loki show is written and it's also like this is the first time we're getting these like movie shows into a you know tv show instead of a movie so we're still getting used to that whole dynamic of it all and um coming out in the morning like it's just that's not usually something i do i don't usually watch shows in the morning but as soon as that thing comes out we got to get

it on we don't want to have any kind of spoilers have two for two shout out the internet right now haven't i haven't seen anything come out there and they you know there's there's a few things they could have spoiled along the way so i feel like we've we've evolved as a society over the last few years in terms of like respecting people that may not be able to watch it at like 3 a.m like bob over here that crazy maniac so they go back to oshkosh they want to investigate because this loki has taken a hostage which is unlike this loki's never done this before this variant so they break up into teams and loki right away says whoa whoa whoa let's be careful here i think if we leave this tent that we went into where the tent where the ambush the hostage situation happened said i think that you're gonna wind up just like your other

agents and he starts stalling for time kind of going on a filibuster agent mobius realizes this he sees through it eventually and he's disappointed he's just like damn you almost had me for a second i actually got ted lasso vibes like out of Agent Mobius a bunch in this episode, even when I think it was Ravonna. And she's like, do you really believe in this guy? He's like, he believes in himself enough for the both of us. I was like, that's something fucking Ted Lasso would say, Owen Wilson. That is actually a good point. I also got, after he left the office to let Loki know they could do the thing, I got Wedding Crasher Owen Wilson vibes from it. He was like, hey, let's go!

We got it! And he had that little pep in his step. Yes, he's just like Owen Wilson. He gets to be Owen Wilson. I was just texting, I think I said that to Frankie in that conversation we just had. I was like, he's so perfect because they wrote the character, seemingly, for his voice. It's just it comes out so naturally. And his

back and forth with Tom Hiddleston, even during the filibuster stuff was great. And B-15 is just getting more and more antsy with Loki because he's a bastard in her eyes. Can you imagine if we had a deal with Loki though? Like as much as I want to like criticize her, I'd be like, you're going, like I'm just saying it to the TV screen.

I'm like, listen, dude, I know it's your show. And like, we have to kind of like root for you. And we're kind of like, need to all get through this together. I know you're going to fuck us over though, man. It just makes me so sad. It's like the conversation they have later where he's like, you're going to stab me in the back,

which is again, a bad O and O's impression. But he's like, he's like, why would I stab you? He's like, I've studied your whole career, Loki.

I mean, you stab everyone in the back. That's what we saw in the trailer. Agent Mobius has a conversation with Ravona at this point when they go back and she has some history with him maybe it seems like they've been talking about oh it must be another agent that you're working with like i don't know if it's a romantic history or if it's just a competitive work history but they obviously have a back and forth that that spans years or however long they've been in there and they have this conversation about the timekeepers where mobius is like i've

never even met them and ravona says they're more involved in this case than i've ever seen them trust me it kind of sounds like during this conversation they're talking about santa claus like it does not sound like the timekeepers exist so we're either being set up to be surprised when they eventually do exist in the end or maybe there's something fishy going on here what's a fish there's a lot of fishiness going on with all this that that much i think it's clear um again they focused on the middle timekeeper again and listen i'm just gonna say right now it's kang it's kang it's kang that's fucking gang kang is coming i hate to be the like expecting another character to come into this world i swore i would

never do it after wandavision but i mean i said that about the knicks about photoshopping i just photoshopped zion in the next jersey old habits die hard and die hard my favorite movie so we're going with it that's fucking kang i'm all in with you there i'm not gonna hold you back from that one i'm like fucking go that's kang we're team kang right now we're rocking with it even mobius he says that one looks like and then it kind of gets like she she likes you know and she cuts them off yeah so there's a lot of shit um that goes on checkoff snow globe where did that snow globe come from uh he says something about the fdr high school pen checkoffs fdr high school but both Chekhov's FDR high school pen. A lot of Chekhov's.

And both times they mentioned another agent. Who's the other agent? Reed Richards? Is it a space engineer? Oh, God. Oh, no. Oh, God, yes. It's going to be Reed Richards.

That's Kang. Kang gets fucked up with Reed Richards, right? They get intertwined. So, yep, that's exactly what it is. When Mobius leaves this this meeting he kind of has a back and forth with loki where loki comes off like a a son who knows he just disappointed his dad by doing the stalling filibustering and he's just like kind of trying to make it up to him mobius is still annoyed with him and then he he assigns loki to look at variant case files he's

like go to the fucking TVA library, study all of these case files and don't come back to me until you have some homework for him. Did you appreciate Loki trying to like, I almost appreciated that Loki was always trying to trigger him. Like he would, you could tell he was getting into his Loki-ness as they were walking. And I was like, that's just,

that's just the guy Loki. It's like the guy, I don't know if we ever brought this one up on the pod, but when I was in school, you'd always have the kids that would always beg for change. And they'd always like put on their like – Change? Like homeless people?

Like exactly. It would be like kids who like wait at the end of the – like once you paid for your food, they're like, hey, man, can I get like a quarter? Because they wanted to buy like – Oh, I guess so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they wanted to buy like a Gatorade or something like that. And they'd always like break into their little spiel. They'd almost like entertain you like, hey, man, blah, blah, you like hey man they try to make a joke to get you to do it that's what i feel like

loki is always just trying to act ask for change and he's always doing his kind of thing so i i kind of love that he's always on he's just always on and if he's doing something for you it's because he needs something in return he's not doing stuff out of the kindness of his own heart yep then i'd be like hey man you look good you look some way it's like all right you just want my fucking quarters you can buy a hot pretzel here you go get the fuck out of my face you fucking weird i always said those were like i always thought that was like the weirdest thing about school is how you have people who like didn't come from like poverty or anything but they were begging for change it was like fucking like a glimpse of their parents were strict and they're like you don't need a fucking cookie at

lunch you know i'm not giving you extra money um loki to all the poor people i do apologize for the ones that will do poor we're poor i do feel bad about that but all the other ones fuck you man fuck them loki tries to get some files about the creation of the tva the creation of time the end of time they're all classified the librarian he goes up to kind of has weird like robot vibes did you get the same vibe with that like she didn't respond to him till he dinged the bell and then she like slowly turned and looked up it was like in a video game when you walk up to a library and it's like press x to interact like he didn't press x at first so she didn't look at him yeah you're just not like lined up perfectly with her so

you're hitting x and it's just not it's not registering that's a good way to put it and almost like the um the girls with the collector where they kind of seem like robots, but they're not robots. And like, that was definitely the vibe I was getting. And it kind of goes back to like, even with the judge, it feels like the TVA doesn't have all the answers we thought they had.

I thought the TVA was all going and everything was like on lock and key. Nope. There's a lot of other shit going on here that we're not going to find out for a few episodes. Someone sent in a theory that we'll get to later, a listener that I liked, that I didn't really think of beforehand, but connects to that. So she gives him just the variant case files once again. He goes back to his desk.

He starts looking through them, and he finds one about the destruction of Asgard. It says that there was zero variant energy found found there and a light bulb goes off in his head and he's like oh shit what if and he runs in to Mobius who's eating a salad for lunch and he's like listen I think Varians can do whatever they want in the apocalypse because the way that other multiverses or other branches of the timeline are created is someone goes off and does something that they're not supposed to and then people see that and then it just snowballs correct and mobius says yeah loki says well what if we go to somewhere where an apocalypse is about to happen and then we do something but then everyone who experienced everyone who witnessed it is destroyed everyone

who witnessed it is killed and nobody remembers that it happened something wouldn't branch off would it and he does this in a very funny way with like pouring water and salt and and pepper into mobius's salad he takes uh the water from casey and casey just turns around and he's like oh you again and he just has this fearful look on his face this fucking guy tried to gut me like a fish he threatened to gut me like i don't even know what a fish is and now he's taking my water for lunch he says if you can take me to an apocalypse i would love to to show you that I'm right about this. And this is when he's like, you would just stab me in the back.

He's like, no, no, I just want to be right. I want to show you that I'm correct. So they go to Pompeii. I loved how he did the whole lunch thing. I don't know why he felt like he had to ruin Moabius' lunch. I was like, come on, man. Listen, I'm not a big sour guy but uh that was just wrong man but i loved the hulk thing about bouncing off the rainbow and stuff like

that especially being this is the loki who just got slammed by the hulk and avengers right he has that animosity against him loki still has to have a headache from that right even though it's just later at this point it happened like that. And this looks bad. You know, we kind of like asked if he was Mephisto. Casey, he didn't even ask for his drink back. He just got his drink taken from him. And he didn't even ask for it back. Loki just squeezes it out.

He doesn't like look over and be like, oh, my God. He's just like, hey, the new guy, you know, like that's my gift to him. Loki's going to be Loki. That's the god of Mischief. Loki going to Loki. That's a fucking of Mischief. Loki gonna Loki. That's a fucking t-shirt right there. That might be a problem actually. Yeah, we can't, I mean, listen, using the name twice, not once, but twice on a t-shirt.

That's really pushing our luck here. Let's throw a fucking Mickey Mouse on a t-shirt next. Let's see if we can get away with that, right? So he takes him to Pompeii, 79 AD. And he's like, we got to be very careful, Loki. We can't disrupt anything here because if you're wrong, something destructive can happen. We can branch off. He says, just make bird noises, okay?

Caw, caw, caw. And Loki fucking runs out. He lets a bunch of goats free. He has a funny line where he says, be free, my horned friends. And fucking hysterical. He's got horns. They've got horns. He tells everyone the apocalypse is coming. He's like, that's about to erupt you're all about to die

right on cue it erupts and loki is correct uh no variant energy was found on his little seismic uh reader and there you go the variant loki can be hiding in apocalypses such a nice little fold and one that you got to think like when does that come i almost wish that we had interviewed michael waldron next week to ask like i wish we interview him every week after these episodes to ask him a billion questions but when does that come along in the writing process for him where he's like oh like someone could hide given all of the rules we know about marvel's timeline someone someone could hide in apocalypses. All I could think of as soon as we went there, I was like,

this is so fucked up. These poor Pompeii people have no idea what's about to happen to them. Loki was geeking out too. He was like a tourist, like in Disneyland. Oh, I loved all the goat stuff and him just like, I guess it's like,

it's kind of like you just do whatever the fuck you want. If you do this, no, everything's just gonna, you know, that's, there's always the thing. Like if you could find out when you're gonna die would you want to know so then you could just act like an absolute lunatic until the moment that

comes and you're basically invincible hypothetically speaking um all i could think of though i'll be honest bob again old habits die hard heard the a word apocalypse apocalypse x-men x-men confirmed apocalypse confirmed apocalypse needs to be done right. There were many things that were wronged by the non-MCU movies, and Apocalypse, who I never truly understood as a kid, but Apocalypse is a cool-ass motherfucker, and he needs to be done right. Mr. Sinister needs to be done right. This is becoming an X-Men podcast really quickly,

but I just love those villains, so that was my piece from that part. It sucks that they got a good actor to play him too like oscar isaac is a great actor and they just couldn't fucking get that right there's a few scenes in that movie that are good there's that scene with magneto in the woods where he loses his daughter and that's very well done scene with michael fassbender everything else is kind of shit in that they go back to the tva they have this conversation about jet skis loki's like that magazine on your desk jet skis why do you have that why do you look through that he's like oh it reminds me what we fight for reveals that he's never even been on a jet ski and this is now a new end game for the series in that we gotta see this happen right we need the the that guy from tiger king when he had that entrance on the jet ski, we need Mobius by the end of the MCU to be able to fucking – we're going to find out the TVAs and all what they were cracked out to be, right?

They don't make all the rules. Send him to Earth and let him ride a fucking jet ski. If there isn't a video of Owen Wilson's face on top of the Tiger King guy on the jet ski, and he just goes, wow, wow. Then the internet has failed us. The internet's undefeated. It always comes through. So I expect that done, whether it's by us or someone we know who's listening

or just some random person. Tell you what, if you're watching on the YouTube, you just saw it because I'm not letting this episode go out without putting that in and post. I just loved his love of jet skis. I remember when I was a kid and I think it was the first time I went on a jet ski and that's all I thought about for basically. I've never been on one. How about that? I'm like Owen Wilson. I'm like Mobius. Do you wish you were on one? Because

they're pretty fucking awesome, Bob. It seems fun. Yeah, I would definitely go on a jet ski. It kind of inspires me. It's the reason I, you know, it's what we fight for. It's the reason we wake up in the morning is to one day get on a jet ski again so uh yeah can confirm jet skis awesome in the midst of this conversation i just wanted to point out they had such an amazing meta line where loki was kind of like what is all of this like three lizards in the sky arranged all of the fucking timelines together and mobius points out that everything about this sounds ridiculous. He's like, Oh really?

Because who's your dad? He's like Laufey, you know, the fucking frost giant or whatever. He's like, okay, frost giants. You were,

you were birthed by frost giants raised in a realm of gods by witches. And fucking, he names basically all of the ridiculousness that goes on in the MCU. And he's like, doesn't it all sound ridiculous? Which felt like they were just staring right through the the MCU. And he's like, doesn't it all sound ridiculous? Which felt like they were just staring right through the TV at all the fans being like, what? What is this TVA?

This sounds crazy. It felt like they were literally just talking to those people. That's the perfect way to approach stuff like this. And I feel like everyone's been pretty good so far about Loki in the first two episodes about what is and isn't possible or happening. I'll just say for me, again, my brain is just taking a fucking licking right now because then i'm starting to think like

like tina the other day asked me who was the first person born i'm like i became the hangover math meme and i'm trying to figure it out just for myself to then explain to her and i'm like i don't know and then how did life start and then i'm thinking big bang and i'm thinking adams and you ever do the thing where you just think about how big the universe is and how the universe is never ending and then you just go i mean i'm talking to a three cheese spokesman right here right so i'm sure yeah that happens quite a vertigo scene from uh jaws where it's like the zoom out but it like zooms in i become i become one of those gifts where it's like it just is the same picture he keeps zooming in that just became my brain as they were talking

i'm like loki it's way too much i maybe i have to watch this at 3 a.m because maybe that's the time when you can like really your brain is ready to suck that stuff up performance yeah yes exactly so just think jet skis that's the easy way just think happy thoughts just think jet skis that's what i'm going to do for now on loki says he knows something that children don't and that is that no one bad is truly bad and no one good is truly good there's a lot of shades of gray which i think is going to be foreshadowing for this entire show and then a light bulb finally goes off for mobius he's like oh children i went into i ran into that child back in 1549 or whenever it was last episode, and she had kablooey, this bubble gum. If we look up when the gum was sold, maybe we could find an apocalypse in that time range that Loki was hiding in.

So they do. They look it up. They find Alabama. I think it was 2050, 2051, an area like that. They go get Ravonna. She approves the mission she's like fuck it all right try your luck we go to alabama the opening scene which we discussed right before we started recording just a little bit is this like bright billboard shows a beautiful beach

and then it gets ripped away by this storm and it looks like the craziest apocalypse ever it's raining it's a tsunami there's buildings exploding such a cool visual and i said it reminds me of a director that i love and that director is steven spielberg as soon as that shot happened i was like oh that's such a fucking spielberg shot the way he would use transitions for like the paramount logo into his logo and stuff like that like that's sort of what it resembled in my mind it It was fucking awesome. Just, and you know, even let's see 2050,

right? That's, that's the year 2050, 2051, somewhere like that. Everything's going to be on giant screens and paper and all that kind of stuff. So you're going to be basically irrelevant. And it just sped up in this,

in our real world, I think over the last year to a whole new level. So the, and the fact that, you know, like they, they, they alluded to a lot of stuff in terms of climate change the fucking swallow all right yeah that was fucked

up bird as a bird guy yeah yeah uh krakatoa there was a lot of shit like i feel like there's those easter eggs you could probably get really deep there was a lot of stuff that went on and i'm i i'm sure there's people like don't you talk talk climate changes. That's fake as Loki. Like, all right. I thought that was a nice direction to take it. And again, kind of being like, what's that? And by the way, category eight hurricane, not a five category eight, which I kind of love the, I don't love the idea. Cause it could, I guess it could happen.

But the fact that we've now changed the category scales, cause the weather has gotten so extreme and just seeing that fucking billboard just get hammered down was, it was awesome. It was an awesome beginning to it and it set up for a great kind of like a crazy end to the episode and speaking of all the screens in the future that is going to become an issue in the future and you got to prevent that by getting yourself some felix gray blue light glasses because five years ago felix gray realized our eyes weren't actually meant to look at screens all day that's not how our eyes were designed to be.

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at the supermarket they start walking around they split into teams and mobius is like let me take loki b15 is like ain't no fucking way i'm letting you take loki she goes off with him and they spot someone her and loki spot someone shopping they're like uh sir what are you doing in here he's like i'm shopping for fucking toilet paper or whatever they're like in the middle of the apocalypse what do you say fucking plants flower sale hurricane sale he's i have a note here he's shopping for azaleas i wanted to say I want some azaleas. I was hoping Bob was going to be like, yeah, man. Azaleas are Mama Fox's all-time favorite flower.

There we go. We'll put some fucking respect on her name. And next hurricane we appear, go. You know what? No. Go out and buy her full-priced azaleas. As an apology for not recognizing that they were talking azaleas. You should know.

It's your mom's favorite fucking plant, man. Flower. I should know that. Because I actually know that because she recently bought one for the house and it like died immediately she had to go plant it outside she's like i guess they're not made to be inside the shopper though they're like uh in the middle of the fucking hurricane turns into b15 so we know okay this is the loki variant she's showing the same power from earlier and now this loki variant introduces itself, herself, himself to Loki. I don't want to spoil things yet, you know, for the listeners that have already seen it. Just saving the suspense.

That's a pro. That's a pro's move right there. I'm saving the suspense for everyone. And Loki tells this person that his own variant enchantment is a clever trick. I think that will come into play later. That's why I'm mentioning it fake loki then becomes a store employee randy the whole time while kind of taunting real loki and don't call me that and she's going back and forth and real loki proposes a plan kind of a darth vader empire strikes back type plan

where he's like listen you join me and we'll fucking overthrow the timekeepers you and me together that's what i'm planning on doing so why don't we do that together fake loki says i am not interested in controlling the time variance authority which she didn't say this but i feel like implies she's interested in just taking it down you know she's interested in destroying it and then we cut back to a tva agent having like this manic breakdown in a back room going, it's real. It's real. It's real. Oh, my God.

It's real. And she says, I gave it away. I said how to get to the timekeepers. And now we're like, oh, my God, how to get to the timekeepers. So maybe they are real. Maybe there is a way to get to them. Holy fuck. We go back to fake Loki and Loki.

This is like the Undertaker and Undertaker back in the day, you know. And fake Loki turns into this big trucker dude so she could start fucking beating Loki up. And Loki says, I would never treat myself like this. Another line that I think is going to be important later on. Fake Loki starts setting up these charges all over the supermarket. Looks like the reset charges. And reveals herself at this point. Lady Loki, or so we think.

She has the Loki horns. She has blonde hair. And she tells Loki, this isn't about you. Because Loki keeps saying, what do you want with me? What do you want from me? And she says, this is not about you. All of these bombs drop in the supermarket. They don't necessarily go off.

It looks like they all drop through portals into different timelines, into different worlds, whatever that may be, and panic ensues. Everyone's seismic charges are going off the rails. You see the timeline is branching out, and back at the TVA, we have this line that I referenced earlier where they say, someone just bombed the sacred timeline, and it's delivered with such panic such oh my god what is going on it it was it was a goosebumps moment lady loki walks through a portal herself at this point loki follows before the tva could get in it closes and that is the end of the episode credits and as soon as credits hit i also thought michael waldron's a genius for not having his name be the first one in the credits because that name is always the one that i'm like fuck you i want to watch the rest of this i loved uh during like the the fight scene when she kept changing between people how they all had the loki mannerisms you know the hands out and everything credit to all of those actors for like playing the same person you know what i mean like they made me forget that it's a bunch of different people playing the same person

i actually that was one of the things i wanted to say was that like each actor did it and they're so different right um i just i got a shout out the name randy when he was randy i was like i feel like everything's gonna be all right i feel like randy's one of those names that you feel like just like a good guy like if you know like randy marsh you're like yeah right randy savage all the Randys. I knew a guy, I used to work with a guy named Randy. He was just like, typically just nice guy. I wasn't, I was like, shit, this seems really bad.

Like all the different charges around and it seemed like this was going to be like the big, you know, explosion or whatever was going to happen. And then when I heard the word code zero zero zero i was like oh fuck like that like number one or number nine nine nine bad code zero zero zero is like yo if this happens this is like this is like the cover of the book and it's like we are fucked if code zero zero gets said bomb the sacred goddamn time so do we think this is was your first thought like is that the multiverse of madness did she just create it right there i didn't even think about that i did see someone i don't know if she created the multiverse in that moment and they're like oh fuck and how would where was loki supposed to be before covid fucked everything up it was supposed to be like

after the other two right it was supposed to be so yeah after dr strange right because dr strange was going to be last year originally right i think the three shows were always meant to come out before dr strange because michael waldron got the dr strange job based on his work on loki gotcha okay so i'm okay so now this makes a lot more sense then all right so yeah so fuck yeah i guess so and someone said it too they're like the show came out on wednesday june 16th 616 earth 616 or 616 yeah there you go so that and like would they honestly kevin feige honestly change loki to a wednesday so he could do june 16th oh yeah he's the fucking guy that can do whatever the fuck he wants he's that fucking good i love you want to hear more about kevin feige by the way? You've got to watch our interview with Walt. Yeah.

He was talking about working with Feige and stuff. That's one degree of separation from the man in the hat. That's big stuff. Do you think if we sent him a Kevin Feige shirt, would he think it was weird? Because that's someone you know. Imagine if I just had a Robbie Fox shirt. I would wear a shirt that said Clem on it. There we go.

So maybe it wouldn't be so weird. Fuck, I also don't want to get teased in this. He wears it on a Disney lot. Like, they're just like, beep. I know, like, he's like, what's that? But, I mean, that shirt's already gone. You can't buy that one anymore. So if you got that, that's now a rare collectible. Oh, that's the thing. If our shirts get C

indeed, the C stands for collectible now. I also loved all the different locations they had. Ego, Vormir, Titan. I think it was Portugal in 1492 when Columbus sailed the ocean blue. So there's a lot of deep, deep Easter eggs, and I'm sure we'll get stuff along the way. This show was made for the Red Dead. Jack told me in New York, around the date where New York was, someone tried to resurrect the nazi party in new york in like 1940

or 19 yeah i think it was like 1942 the date was on screen someone tried to do something with the nazi party and i was like oh maybe that could be a connection to red skull or hydra in some way who knows i feel like all of those dates could be something and they could be nothing i hope one of those dates is in new york and it's the date that Ghostbusters was supposed to occur. Cause I feel like that was like the closest I've ever seen to the real life apocalypse happening. Do you want to get into the sus list? Let's get into the sus list.

Let's get right into it. Hopefully my guy cap is off it. We didn't see any fucking Peggy Carter's in the background this time. Hopefully I'm off it. Nope. Okay. Not listed. First off captain America,

not on it yet. Yet this episode, not on it. Also, not on the list. Casey. I felt bad about, you know, we had a lot of Casey slander, and it sounds like he's a great guy, so he's off it. Number three, and this person could always be number one. We know that.

But I always got to have Loki on the sus list, and it's all Lokis that are entailed. It's fucking Lady Loki, loki hulky loki which was like that one guy they're always gonna be on there number two and all it's only because i don't know i just feel like there's just something about this actress or actor actress b15 i just feel like this other agent you know with mud she's always butting heads with mobius i feel like there is something a little off about her but all these pale i kind of agree i kind of agree especially because she's butting heads with mobius all the time mobius comes off like that ted lasso like

that always so well-intentioned even if we i think we said last week even if the tva winds up being bad by the end of the show i don't think mobius is i think mobius genuinely in his heart is trying to do the right thing so yes the fact that she keeps butting heads with him makes me think maybe there's something more to her good soldiers follow orders kind of a thing i feel like that's her like motto that she's saying which anyone who watched the bad batch making fucking clone wars references this is watch out now uh number one on the sus list I mean I couldn't even make the sus list Because it was like There's no list without This is the list

Renslayer Renslayer is so fucking sus That snow globe I just can't get over that snow globe The way she kind of dismisses it And obviously the Kang ties And all this kind of stuff I just feel like Renslayer is

going to and you know it ends the episode ends with her like going into it and having like that fucking baton in her hand so I feel like we're going to hopefully get a little bit of a peek of what her endgame is or just her background or just kind of I don't know whatever it is it's just a lot of sustenance going around with her

right now I'm with the sustenance two weeks in a row I like the sustenance oh so two weeks in a row so when I threw going on right now. I'm with the sust list. Two weeks in a row, I like the sust list. Oh, so two weeks in a row. So when I threw Cap on there, you agreed too, I guess. Well, I said that I liked being in good company with Cap. At least we were together. You throw us in prison. It's like that's why me and Cap get along because we're such good friends.

He sticks up for Bucky. I stick up for him, ride or die. Michael Waldron, he kind of was feeling my side of the story there. Cap's a great friend. He friend he was on both sides anytime you can hide your friend from assassinating heroes that is a good friend like if you did that for me i'd say you're a good friend he gave like the marvel version of like a politician answer to it it was like a democrat and a republican like asking like a neutral like who do you think is better he's like well i think you know there's good people on both sides all right if you think having politic fights at like your thanksgiving

like or whatever the fuck where people i mean online people do politic fights all the time i think that's bad two nerds dug in on a stance that is much worse than any kind of politics like you could ever have let's get into listener questions the first one comes from tampa bay 12 and this is the most important one. This is the one that I've been seeing all, I shouldn't say all week, because it's been a day since the episode came out, but it's the one that everyone's talking about.

He says, I don't think that's a Loki variant. Loki calls her Loki, and she says, ugh, don't call me that. And then Loki says, I would never treat me like this. I don't think those are throwaway lines. I think you're on track there, because in the Latin credits of the show, she is listed as Sylvie. This is one of those things that you kind of wish didn't get out because it probably wasn't meant to get out. It's not like an Easter egg that fans really clicked onto and were like, oh, that has to be her but sylvie could be another marvel character named

enchantress enchantress was named sylvie in the comics prior she has blonde hair she uses green magic a lot of the same magic that loki uses and has loki ties she was gifted her powers i believe by loki she was just a normal human in new asgard when they rebuilt that and i think in the comics it was in alabama or it was in one of those oklahoma or oklahoma yeah it was it was in america so i i think it could be enchantress especially her saying this is not about you that could be another one of those lines and maybe she's trying to set lo up. Maybe the variant energy is just detecting Loki because he gave her her magic powers, but I also think it all goes back to the conversation they had

about the illusion casting and that stuff because her powers are different than Loki's. Yeah, so I saw that as well, and I think, I don't know if it was Aladdin, but I had seen Syl know sylvie thrown around and i do feel like sometimes they do borrow multiple characters that they kind of combine right so i think that could be the case as well i don't know if i wanted to be another loki or if i wanted to be this enchantress kind of person because i kind of like the idea of multiple

loki's like the the gender was fluid for loki right when you saw well i don't think it disqualifies that i think there i still think because we saw all of the variant loki's in the holograph form that we're dealing with variant loki's regardless and i think maybe even what if the enchantress is working for a variant loki we have a question about that from or not a really question more a theory about that from steven quigua i hope i said his name right he said loki theory i think lady loki is a good guy and it's going to be evil old man loki played by richard grant behind the tva running it in the shadows all powerful like he always wanted to be in the end loki will have to choose between the good or bad loki so maybe it's just enchantress being

manipulated by evil old man loki okay an emperor darth vader thing yeah i can get down that was actually one of my questions do you think we get any any more loki's because i think you had those other ones where you saw the different you know the hulk loki the tour de france one and all that i hope so that's so much fun even just for the funko pops and the action figures of like i want a tour de france loki funko pop now i i do feel like we're gonna get more loki so i go sign me up for whatever the fucking whatever results in more loki's and craziness in this world and i feel like the way she waved goodbye to him she knew he was coming through that door it's fucking loki of course he's gonna jump through that right he took the fuck probably kept it open she's probably holding the door on the other side.

Exactly. Come on in big fella. Don't run. Don't run. Do you ever do the old joke? It's like people do like the half run, but they're still walking. Yeah.

I never, I, one of the, I don't know. It's one of those things I just love. I just love holding the door for someone. It's one of my favorite things in the world to do. You know,

I did it yesterday for Liam. Shout out Liam. Pardon my take producer. And I did it way too early. But I had a lucky thing where I saw him and I was holding the door for someone else. And then I just kept holding the door. And I was like, oh, this is way too far. I don't want to make him run. So I pressed the frigging, there's the little handicap sign on the bottom and I held the door open. I just kept walking. It was nice. That's still a good move. Still a solid. You get the karma points and you get to keep going. Everyone gets to go about their day. We've got another theory from Mike Sullivan. He says, what if Mobius turns out to be a Loki variant himself who is helping our Loki? So it's eventually all Loki's running the TVA and it adds

some heartbreak to Loki's story because by the end it'll be himself is his only friend in this other timeline I kind of like the idea of every single person the TVA being Loki now now the Bobby Moynihan Loki right yes oh shit no confirmation on that yet yet yet sign me up sign me up for more Lokis the better and it's just like it's just been overrun with loki's because loki is going to fuck something up and it's going to go completely wrong and i can see that word like everyone ends up becoming a loki so i dig that one question from chuck colorado he says i'm curious how all of the other variants were created and also if the avengers were supposed to go back in time then they were supposed to create a Loki variant, right?

All of this seems like it was supposed to happen, and the timekeepers are just warping the minds of the TVA. I think that's an interesting theory because it's something that we brought up right off the bat last week. That's what we said. We were like, if the Avengers were supposed to go back in time, everything went right in that, right? Considering that Endgame went right in the end and considering that you know end game went right in the end so loki had to escape so they had to go back to 1970 it's a whole that's the the brain thing this is when my brain starts breaking again like i just put it back together it's like i put the last piece in and then someone knocks it off the table and it splatters everywhere and i'm trying

to say i'm like that's what i'm saying i like, so what the fuck are we talking about here? Like everything went as it was supposed to go. Uh, and again, I'm sure smarter people can try to explain it to us, but that's where we should. That's where Loki's frustration came from in the first episode though, where it was like,

why was it okay for them? And not for me, we need, we need Michael Waldron on just so we can ask him these questions. And it's, it's going to be the same questions every time. So explain to me how this time thing works and how it's all right and not all right. Because it's like the four-gallon jug from Die Hard. I can figure it out every single time.

And as soon as I figure it out, I forget it. It's the same thing with the time rules of Loki and how everything works and all that kind of stuff. Our final theory is from Todd Dowry. And I love this one. He said, Hey, Robbie, I got a Loki question for you. Do you think the timekeepers might've gone radio silent? It seems like the TVA heads are operating on what they think the timekeepers would want versus what they're actually being dictated to do directly.

Is it possible that TVA is going to end up being the bad guys in this without them even realizing it maybe variant loki is trying to expose the fact that the timekeepers actually aren't active anymore i kind of like that what if we find out that yes the timekeepers are real but they're being fucking held captive by gore the god butcher and uh kang like kang is actually not one of the timekeepers but he's he's holding them hostage or he is one of the timekeepers he turned on the other two and now he's operating rogue something like that i could get down with yeah it's like finding out like what if god is dead and you're like oh shit god's dead what does that mean um the timekeepers

at this point okay let me ask you one to five sus meter for the time keepers one being not sus at all five being sus as fuck what do you list them as four yeah it's like a solid four i don't trust the time keepers at all i wouldn't let the time keepers forget about not watching my kids i wouldn't even like invite them over for dinner like that i don't trust them one bit i don't know and if i did i'd have my like wallet in my pocket so i know they couldn't take my wallet in my car because like i just there's there's such as fuck i don't like the time i do not like the timekeepers now if it's like who do you trust more now the timekeepers are loki loki i know me too loki more how fucked up is that i trust loki the god of mischief more than the timekeepers who are

keeping this timeline together. Miss Minute is a lovely person that explains the entire timeline. I like Miss Minute. Nothing against her. Love Miss Minute. Also, what if she is connected? Because she said that he was like, are you a human? Are you real? Are you recording? She's like, kind of both.

What if either that or what if later on the season she like saves the day somehow she has an r2d2 bba-esque moment where she gets to like plug into something and she gets to be a physical thing that saves the day sold i mean i think there's more to miss minutes i hope so i'm all on a miss minute give me more miss minute at the same point she is also a product of the timekeepers and now all right good thing i'm i'm locking the sus list because Miss Minute would have crept on to the sus list, but I don't want to do that to her. I don't want to ruin our friendship like that. But I'm starting to get a little worried about Miss Minute. Just keep an eye on Miss Minute because she could be their all-knowing watcher, their eye on the ground.

Who knows? I mean, it seems like they have a lot of eyes on the ground, but there's something more to her. She's like in the top 25 for college basketball. She's also receiving votes now on the timeless. She's not on the sus list, but she, our eyes are on her. You're, you're not tricking us, Ms. Minute. You're fucking adorable and we love you, but you're also, this seems really mean to say to her.

Cause she's really a nice person. I really like Ms. Minute. We're watching. We're watching you. All right. This has been another great episode. Next week, we'll be back.

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