My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 152 - ‘WHAT IF…?’ EPISODE 6 RECAP WITH CLEM AND KFC

Episode Date: September 17, 2021

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Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners. You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Yeah, just stupid boys making basement noise in the basement, noise in the basement. Just stupid boys making basement noise in the basement. Yeah, yeah. Hello and welcome back to My Mom's Basement presented by 3Chi and Barstool Sports. It is Robbie Fox, it is Clem. We're going to have KFC join a little bit later like he did last week for Marvel's What If.

This week we got What If Killmonger Saved Iron Man. Another Iron Man episode where unfortunately Iron Man suffered another horrible fate. Clem, this series is putting you through the ringer, huh? Is this a fucking prank? I'm just saying it now. You know whenever something weird happens in your life, and I don't know if anyone else does this, but in the past, I'd be like, is there a candid camera

which dates me? I'm like, is this a prank? Is this punked? Is fucking Disney pranking me right now? Is Kevin Feige, long time My Mom's Basin listener, fucking with me and created a whole series just to kill Iron Man in different ways to see my reaction?

Because Bob, I'm starting to lose my fucking mind right now it's becoming a meme it's becoming a meme this man saved the universe the universe not the world not the galaxy the entire universe half the universe excuse me saved the entire universe plus brought hat was a part of bringing half the universe back to life why are we killing tony stark every episode i can't take it anymore i cannot take it anymore this might be because the mets are fucking me and the giants are fucking me but i can't like iron man should be the one thing i'm like all right i buried him he's gone forever then they they dig him up his bones put him back to, and then murder him in front of my eyes. It's Uncle Ben. It's the Waynes.

And I can find that kind of stuff funny because I don't have the kind of attachment to them that I do to Iron Man. And again, you're a Spider-Man guy. You're a Batman guy. I can't keep watching my guy getting murdered in different ways every week. He's fucking Kenny from South Park. They've turned Tony Stark, the hero of the MCU, into Kenny from South Park. They really have. I mean, it was the first thing I thought of watching this. As soon as he died, I was like, Jesus fucking Christ. I actually thought of Uncle Ben right away. I was like,

he's the new Uncle Ben. We just watch him die every week. What is this? Different origin stories for what if Tony Stark died? And they actually make you even more excited, I feel like, for Tony Stark in this episode, getting to see Iron Man 1 one getting to see the avengers circle up getting to see an animated version of like the i am iron man snap from endgame all of that and then all of a sudden he's just dead every week what if killmonger saved tony stark to then kill him 20 minutes later that was the fucking episode i am losing my goddamn patience here marvel i'd almost rather this is the thing like if they just didn't include him in the episodes i'd be fine i'm sure robert downey's voice is not a cheap expense it's not even him they couldn't get him oh that's

right that's right that's why they're doing it oh maybe that's why they're doing it what if producers were like you don't fucking sign up to do our show we'll kill you off in every episode exactly yeah that's now it makes perfect sense i didn't even think of that okay so if it's it's a petty move so if marvel comes out if feige comes out it's like this is just a straight petty move he didn't want to do that we're going to do this like again black widow i'm sure she's going to die a million different deaths in season two of what if so if tony stark this is strictly a petty move, I respect that. But God damn it. I'm starting, I'm starting to lose my patience now.

We're halfway through the season and he's died. It's like, I don't know, like 60, 80% of the episodes, Tony Stark dies. And in different grueling fashions, every single, he fucking, all right, we'll get into the episode. It was a fucked up way to get killed too. It was. I mean, before we get into the episode, I would like to bring up something that you texted me about before the episode. You said we should talk about the Hawkeye trailer.

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I'm a sucker for holiday shows, holiday movies. I didn't even know how interested I was in this until the trailer, but I think it's going to be awesome. Yeah, again, it's always like, how are they going to, how is Marvel going to hook us in for characters we kind of cared about, might have hated, right? And

let's call it pretty honest. Like a lot of the characters that have been the focus here have been kind of tier two, tier three characters. And I think they did it just the old fashioned way. Like, did you get that like warm feeling in your belly that you're just sitting in your house for the weekend? You know, you might have like, I'm not an eggnnog guy we have some eggnog or you're eating your leftovers on thanksgiving milk some stew leonard's cookie milk there we go yes some hot chocolate or something like that i mean it's just you're gaining a few extra pounds the nfl they have the little score the um the christmas lights on the scoreboard there's some snow lightly falling above it the giants have probably been out of the playoffs for like two months at that point

nonetheless it just felt it just made me so happy. So yeah, I'm with you on that. It also gave me like, are we going to debate like, is Hawkeye a Christmas show? Like we do. I think it is. I mean, based on the first trailer, I think it definitely is. The tagline is the best presents come with a bow.

Pretty good. That, that, and when I, i did the old like point i'm like you're pretty good the old robert denier there on that one that was awesome uh do we know how many episodes it's gonna be well i don't think we do know how many what was wandavision was eight right and then uh falcon and winter soldier was uh six loki was six maybe it's a six episode uh let's see here comes Comes November 21st, 2021. Six episodes in total. So that'll be perfect.

That'll be right after the new year. And I think during this time, let's remember this, though. Again, I don't know my release dates on this. This won't be Disney Plus' lead show. At that point, we're going to have some sort of Mando content, I would imagine. Christmas season, we're getting Book of Boba Fett, they said. So I think it might start as the premiere show,

and then Book of Boba Fett might come in like halfway through. And then those episodes of My Mom's Basement are going to be fire, huh? The basement, boys. Like, winter is our time to shine in the basement. Turn the heat, crank the heat up and all that kind of stuff. So this is going to be exciting. And we're getting Spider-Man in the midst of it too i think that's right that's

right we got spider-man will be kind of coming off our turn our turnovers high right so there's a lot oh man i got a little tingly right now i'm getting a little overwhelmed thinking the nerds are gonna be down here a lot yeah exactly uh so the christmas music can we just agree that it gets the juices flowing even if it's their commercial in September I stand by this take and I'll say this take today that there's one Christmas song you can play 24-7, 365

Mariah Carey along for Christmas Eve that supersedes the Christmas season but I think any other song because my iPhone sometimes it'll just go to a random Christmas song I downloaded on a random December. It feels weird. That song, I think, can play any single day of the year.

Mariah has become, she's made it bigger than the holiday. I agree with you. Two more things from the trailer I wanted to bring up. Rogers, the musical, is the new Hamilton. Hysterical. I cannot wait to see an extended scene of that. It looked like Hawkeye took his family to see it.

So I feel like we're definitely going to get some funny shit out of that. And two, we got no Yelena in the trailer, something that maybe they're saving in their back pocket for when they want to release like the final trailer, remind you like, Oh, and there's a black widow on the hunt for him.

But it's kind of like a sick thing that they didn't even show us in the first trailer, which leads me to believe this show is going to be like layered it's going to have awesome like multiple episodes maybe she's not even in the first couple episodes yeah i i kind of like that too and i hope the i hope the reveal they don't have to reveal the fact that we know it's coming it's like kind of just makes me feel all right about it i feel like six episodes is the perfect length um and do you think that Hawkeye, actually, I'm just going to say,

let's be honest, Hawkeye didn't have any tickets left for him at the Rogers the musical. He probably was like, guys, you know, I am an Avenger. I was like part of the team. Me and Steve were really close. I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure, man.

It's like, ah, it's fucking Hawkeye. They gave the jerk off motion and didn't give it to him. I feel like he had to pay for an entire family. It's a Broadway. You know, Broadway's not a cheap place, Bob Fox. And if Rogers is anything like Hamilton, we're talking super high prices, hard to get tickets,

all that kind of stuff. Oh, and they're Midwestern too. Like they're getting taken to the cleaners. They're going to some website that is by no means like a good second market website. They are going to something that is just 500% markup. What? They're maybe going to Craigslist.

Yes, definitely. You know what? They don't even see the musical. They get bamboozled on the street by some hustler that gives them fake tickets and they can't even get into the building. That would be a nice little twist. I saw Ken Jack had a note where he said that

it's kind of interesting how Steve Rogers is beloved and they have this stuff where Iron Man is kind of forgotten. I feel like there is some Iron Man love Iron Man love because a lot of it in the Spider-Man movie. Right. Exactly. Other than that, not really,

but I do, I do like that. They're referencing. Cause if both those Titans just, you know, die, disappear, whatever happened,

it would be kind of interesting. Instead we get Tony Stark getting murdered every week, but very excited for Hawkeye going in with, I mean, moderately low. I'm a four out of ten expectations, right? Yeah, I kind of just want a fun holiday show at this point. Now that I saw that trailer, I'm like, as long as they nail the Christmas holiday aspect of it and give us like a nice, you know, wrap the ending up with a nice bow,

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And it wasn't bad, but it was just eh. Yeah, it's one of those things where you're not looking at the clock being like, all right, when's this over with? You're just kind of, you're locked in. And there were some, excuse me, there were some points where I'm like, all right, this is getting fun. But then it did kind of hit a snag. I do think they could, if they had. And the thing is when you have the, what if, you know, canvas,

you can paint it however you want. You can get crazy with the shit you're bringing in. And I granted you can't use a lot of the Marvel characters because a lot of the ones they've just acquired, they can't do, but there's still a ton of fucking awesome characters they could have brought in at some point so that was kind of a bummer but yeah i'd say off the top of my head i'd probably say it's it's my least favorite of the of the bunch so far which again mid we could say i can yeah i can say

mid right yeah oh definitely yeah i'll give you a mid mid uh mid card you know there is no mid up threachy that's all good shit right there. 3G is the frigging best. The root beer taffies, I could get my hands on those. You know I love root beer. That's, when I saw root beer taffies, they said, hey, new product. I was like, you motherfuckers, they done did it again. It's like Vince McMahon in the 90s. It's like, oh my God, he did it again.

We can't believe this guy. We start off with the intro to Iron Man 1. Like I said, we saw this in the first What If trailer, so we knew we were getting it at some point. And the bomb goes off and everything during the selfie. And Killmonger, it winds up saving him. Killmonger, at this point, is still in the military. He says, the Ten Rings are after you. Come on, let's go.

The Ten Rings, nice shout-out there, because we learn a lot more of those about Shang-Chi. By the way, the Shang-Chi episode is coming. Eventually it's coming. I got a few DMs about it this week. When Clem sees it, we'll do the episode i promise you this is this is completely on me i didn't have a chance because of the kids on labor day weekend and now football season mets like weird shit going on and then like we have a bunch of random things for work we have to travel for which never happens

so this is 100 on me if i don't see it by what are we going to say next week by the so let's say 16 23 25 if i don't see this by the 24th you guys can repeat all right i'll have to get a i'll have to get a fill-in i'll have to get jeff d low or someone in here oh the hot seat all right fair enough i like it i like it oh this by the way bob we're playing right now washington giants tonight so there's a little bit of tonight really so Oh, tonight? Really? So by the time people hear this... Yeah, it'll be yesterday by the time this came out, but yeah, who knows? The mega powers might have already exploded by then. The game might be too much for our friendship.

Yeah. We get to see the Avengers circle up, like I said. We get to see that the Endgame snap would have never happened in this universe because Iron Man never existed in this universe. Tony Stark had no reason to become Iron Man. He didn't build a suit out of metal scraps in a cave, as Obadiah Stane said. And Killmonger immediately is given a promotion through Stark Industries. He's taken on stage. They're like, this guy saved my life. And he sniffed out instantly that Obadiah Stane was looking to

overthrow Tony Stark. He announces that on the stage. He's like, look it up. I just put it all out. Google it. Obadiah Stane is knocked out by Happy Hogan. Nice moment for our guy Jon Favreau. And Rhodey and Pepper are the only two that are initially like a little bit sus of Killmonger. They're like, this guy is like getting in here. I don't know. It was nice seeing Don Cheadle in Iron Man one time.

That's like, oh, here he is, Kevin. So we're rocking and rolling, baby. Let's go. Where are we at? We really just started recapping the episode. So you joined us at perfect time. We broke down the Hawkeye trailer a little bit. Big news in shoes, folks.

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coolest shoes in the game they're affordable they're not too pricey go check them out we were talking about how don cheadle is finally in iron man one times because he was not roadie at that point they had to recast him. Oh, shit, really? Yeah. Wow. So there's a different Rhodey in Iron Man 1, and when he comes back in Iron Man 2,

his first line is, listen, it's me, I know, let's just deal with it. That's great. Terrence Howard, right? Terrence Howard was the original one. And he's like a diehard Marvel guy, I believe, too, and it just fell through in terms of the negotiations or whatever. And I kind of wish they had thrown in Terrence Howard's like the – it looked like Terrence Howard, right? But have Don Cheadle's voice just to be petty towards Terrence Howard.

You dropped the bag, dude. You dropped the bag. I mean every night of his life goes to bed. Every morning Terrence Howard wakes up doing a what if. Yeah, oh my god. He's up doing a what if. Yeah. Oh my God. He's got the greatest what if of all time. If I fumbled the Marvel bag,

I think I'd have to retire from acting because every time I'd be acting in another gig, I'd be like... Even Emily Blunt, who has this amazing successful career, talks about she was supposed to be Black Widow. She's like, yeah,

I wish I would have accepted that or whatever other movie she did. That's some of – maybe we can do it in a little bit if we've got time. Like all of the Hollywood what-ifs. Will Smith talks about turning down the Matrix. Yeah. He said he read the script. For Wild Wild West, right?

For Wild Wild West, which I'm sure still crushed at the box office, but it's not. Yeah, I think it did. But he read the script and he was like, yeah, I'm all set on this wacky shit. Which I can understand. I think he turned down Django too, right? Did he?

I'm pretty sure. That I could see, you know, you might turn that down for a multitude of reasons. Yeah. You know, it's pretty extreme.

But the Matrix, probably on paper, is probably like, this is some weird white people shit. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to go and do like a big

robot spider movie, whatever. But I mean, some of those, you know, who was supposed to be Indiana Jones This is some weird white people shit I'm not going to do this I'm not going to go I'm going to do like a big robot Spider movie Whatever Yeah But I mean some of those You know Who was supposed to be Indiana Jones And who was supposed

You know there's a You Google them There's some weird ones Krasinski I think auditioned For Steve Rogers Captain America Yeah I think That could have happened

I think that would have I think that would have worked Yeah I could see him With the beard Like the Jack Ryan beard He's got now In the Infinity War times Like it's kind of

That kind of works I would say And obviously I'm no You know expert like you guys are, but quickly just thinking, I feel like Chris Evans might be the most replaceable Avenger, actor-wise. I don't like that. I love it, Kev. Keep it going. Keep it going.

You're welcome in the face of the media. I feel like, speaking of Hawkeye, he could replace Jeremy Renner. Well, yes, but I don't know. Hawkeye's kind of like one of our bro. Talking about the big dogs, I feel like if you just had – I think Chris Enstie could slide right in there. I think all the Chris's could. You can't replace Iron Man.

No. That's kind of what I'm saying. Robert Downey Jr. had the swagger, and I don't even think he was acting. He did not. It's like basically him. They now create the comic book character to be like him. Right. I think – which is I think the greatest like accomplishment as an actor, right?

But I think if you put the other Chris's in there, all the other like Hollywood Chris's, all the other – Chris Pine could probably do Captain America. That's what I'm saying. He does it well, but it's just a kind of a clean cut. Fuck. Don't even need to change the first name. Just give us anyone named Chris. This is how you know he's replaceable,

and this brings me a little bit of joy just because I know I bust Bob's balls about all the time with Captain America versus Iron Man. But he was the fucking Human Torch. He's already been a Marvel fan. I know, I know. He's already swapped one out. And we've just accepted it.

Bring him back as the Human Torch multiverse, baby. That would be funny. A little CGI where he runs into himself. All we've just accepted it. Bring him back as the human torch. Multiverse, baby. That would be funny. A little CGI where he runs into himself. All right. Sorry to interrupt. Where are we at? So Tony shows Killmonger a bunch of his tech. Killmonger's like, yo, I got this drone blueprint that I could show you.

They wind up building it together out of vibranium. He goes to Klaue out in the coast of Africa. We see Black Panther fight him. Another T'Challa cameo another Chadwick Boseman cameo Killmonger ambushes them with this sonic boom I don't know ray gun taser type thing and fucking

kills him he kills Rhodey kills T'Challa Tony sees it via Jarvis and he's like listen I saw everything you did with the drone whatever he fucking kills Tony too and gets into a fight with him this is me and Clem were just're just talking. They're killing his guy every single week. It's amazing.

I like this is the point of what if, but I still didn't know if they were going to have the stones to do it. They're doing, they're taking the big, Every episode is a downer. The big, they're throwing the, like the big,

it's all big plays. It's not like, what if this guy like met, you know, a new best friend? It's like, we're fucking killing Tony Stark. Every week.

He said he's Kenny from South Park. We killed Tony. We killed Tony. The name of the episode is, What if Killmonger saved Tony Stark's life? And he still dies. That was misleading. That title, I thought,

what if he kidnapped him and kind of brainwashed him for a little bit into thinking he was friends with him. Yeah. I had some thoughts based on what the headline was going to be so a wakanda versus stark industries usa war breaks out because of this killmonger crosses clo and uses his body to gain the trust of wakanda like he did in black panther the movie and he meets tachaka who feels super guilty about killing his dad and all that kind of stuff. He throws the war for Stark Industries. He's got the kind of machine that turns the drones off and stuff.

He wins it for Wakanda. He becomes the Black Panther. He sees T'Challa in the celestial zone or whatever that's called. And T'Challa's like, you fucked up, man. Eventually it's going to come back to you. I know it. Again, we get Chadwick Boseman talking about life and death and stuff. It's so strange every week.

And at the end, Pepper and Shuri both put together what happened to Tony Stark, T'Challa, and they're about to go confront him. It kind of just ends on that note. A weird note to end. Me and Clem said it felt like the episode kind of hit a wall in the middle and kind of like rode that out. I would say this was the worst of the bunch. That's what we were saying. Yeah, I don't think this was that great. I thought the headline had potential.

Because I think Killmonger is a great candidate for like the wicked treatment. Where you look at the villain from another angle. And it's like his parents were killed. And like maybe he kind of had. You get enough of that in Black Panther where it's like you're like alright he's got a point exactly he's one of the better villains exactly so like a spin off where you really understand Killmonger's point of view

a little bit and why he is he's misguided like maybe a what if where he wasn't as evil this one he still did the exact same plan he just took a different yeah that's why I didn't like it I thought it was gonna be what if Killmonger was a good guy what if Killmonger won but also at the end he doesn't yeah so it's just it didn't like it. I thought it was going to be, what if Killmonger was a good guy? What if Killmonger won, but also at the end he doesn't? Yeah, so it doesn't really satisfy you on either front.

The other ones you could at least say with one sentence, like, what if Doctor Strange became evil and destroyed the universe? And it's like, whoa, that's awesome. This one's like, what if Killmonger got Tony Stark, became friends with him, eventually killed him, became the Black Panther, and then also lost. It's just too much. I absolutely love killmonger too i think that he it sucks for him because i think marvel had like a villain problem forever right the first like phases and i think he was by far like the best character and it was one of those things i would never tweet it because i would just get dunked on with quote retweets but i always like he kind of like should have been the black panther he beat him ferret square he beat black panther brother i this is your king i mean fucking i always thought

that i'm a michael b jordan stan for life i was with him on the wire then obviously friday night lights creed and all that shit and then when i see him as killmonger and i i don't even know if you could say killmonger is underrated but i do feel like history forgets killmonger now that thanos has kind of become this bigger than like... Yeah, he had Thanos like a few months after. Literally, that came out in February, Infinity War came out in April. That sucks.

I remember Black Panther was when I was, you know, I had not really dove back into the Marvel world after, you know, kind of abandoning it as a kid, and I remember just thinking that he was the star. So, I mean, the look, the haircut, the attitude, the outfit. And that's not to knock Chadwick Boseman.

No, but I just, seeing him, I was like, oh, he's the Black Panther. It's one of those movies where, yeah, the villain steals the show. I just hate his chest, man. Oh, you don't like that? I thought that was cool. No, I mean, I like it, but I don't like those things. I don't like bumpy things. I get a little bit of tryptophobia in me. I see that, you don't like that? No, I mean, I like it, but I don't like those things. I don't like bumpy things. I get a little bit of tryptophobia in me. I see that

and I'm like... Dude, I never had tryptophobia until I went to the Museum of Natural History this last year. What'd you see? And I saw they had this artifact of a fish that has eggs out of its back and there's just holes all over the back. Oh my god, it was so gross.

Yeah, I don't like that shit. That's what his chest reminds me of. I fucking love Killmonger. I absolutely love the character. He's also, maybe this is what we should take from it. He's just permanently on the sus list. Like no matter what, he's going to fall into the same trap basically. And he's always going to fail because of it.

Obadiah, that's Jeff Bridges, right? I got my Jeffs confused all the time. Jeff Bridges I get my Jeffs confused all the time Jeff Bridges he played Obadiah so well because I hate I hated that motherfucking cartoon I was like

I like growled at the TV right it's crazy that you could like think that towards a cartoon character but he's absolutely like that just crushed it I thought we had

I thought we had a little bit of a cartoon moment with him because for the most part it's very real it's just animated when he he goes like uh oh like when he realizes he's been caught a cartoon moment with him because for the most part it's very real. It's just animated. When he goes like, uh-oh.

Like when he realizes he's been caught. At first he's like, Tony, come on. It's not like that. And then they're like walking towards him and he goes, uh-oh. And it was almost like

a moment of comedic relief. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Definitely. And I love seeing Klaue come back too. I thought Klaue, I wish he, like a lot of these

Marvel movies, these guys are kind of one and done or two and done or whatever. I kind of wish he had been someone that kind of stuck around for a little bit longer other than like it feels like the big bads big bad stick around like the loki's and the thanos's for

different franchises and shit i kind of wish some more of these guys just stuck around instead of always getting you don't have to kill the villain every single time like i wish killmonger was still somewhere out there in the world and could come back right but i kind of prefer like the a new hope um like have darth vader spin out you know and oh he'll be back yeah yeah yeah you never know two things that like kind of the opposite of what kev said in terms of cartoon moments two things that just got me like fucking fired up well or just really played to me one fucking chadwick boseman, that dude's voice, he's so calming when he's like,

what did you think was going to come to me? But it cannot, you know, bring back. And I'm like, shit, Chad. Like, Chadwick Boseman could, like, explain anything to me and just change my mind. Just his voice was so, like, perfect and soothing and stuff like that. And that's just a cartoon character.

I know his past. Daily affirmations with Chadwick Boseman. You are wonderful. You are patient. You are wonderful. You are patient. You are kind. You deserve love. And then the other thing was when I heard the, he Bombay and I started,

I, I like marked out in the house. I, I honestly, I paused the episode and I pulled up the portal scene again. Cause no way. Every single, you know what I liked.

I thought it was awesome. An awesome shot. And would have been amazing for a real movie when they paused and they waited and the drone army started to come over the horizon with the lights. That would have been cool in real life. Almost the vibes of the end of Mandalorian

with the Death Troopers, like when all the robots were activating and the red lights would come on. Yeah. And the army's coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought we were going to get kind of like an Ultron-y version of those robots, right?

I have Ultrons coming, by the way, in What If. I heard they're doing an Ultron story. By the way, do you have any episodes there? I don't have any episodes. Nine? Nine announced. Three more. Secret episodes for 10.

At this point, I think they're doing it on purpose, right? Giving them weird numbers. Yeah, man. It's probably Waldron behind the scenes going, let's do 11. Let's do an odd number just to fuck with Clem. Now, I don't know what happens with Ultron. I don't know. I don't even know about you guys.

When Twitter goes like, oh, this is coming on this week, I don't even look at it. I don't want to know what deals with it. I can tell you what happens with Ultron. He kills Tony Stark. Spoiler alert. Tony Stark is fucking killed. He's out of there right now. what you know deals with it i could tell you what happens in the old trunk he kills tony stark spoiler alert he's probably gonna kill tony stark we got some what if some barstool what if some life what ifs let's get into them the first one coming from andrew boback jr this one was interesting because we have a lot of what if this person from barstool actually liked the other team but this one is a little different i think it's what's what if Hubs were a Red Sox fan?

And I'm taking this universe in that it's not reversing him and Jared. I'm saying they're both Red Sox fans. Are they a tag team? Are they like call him Poppy with Hubs and Jared? Best friends? Robin Bingo over there? You know what I think? How about this?

I'll take it a step further. Hubs becomes the meathead and lifts and is fucking jacked and has the sleeves. And Jared stays like his 110-pound self. Yes, yes. Jared's watching tennis on the weekends and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He loves fetter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's me and Hubs doing from the top rope.

Yes. Hubs' nickname is like the battleship or some shit. The battleship. Hubs with muscles and a tattoo sleeve. Need to see it. Someone needs to do it. Instead of Pink Floyd, he's got like Pearl Jam tattoos or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I think they're both great like baseball minds. So I don't think – I think though though, it would probably have been rivalry. If they were both in Barstool, it's one thing. But if they both came up together in Boston, I feel like it's always like, which sports blog do you like the best? So it might have still been a Hubs-Rocket rivalry just rooting for the same team. And I will say this. Like you said, we don't always want

to just switch people kind of we did with white socks dave and jared which was a hilarious thought in itself but jared as a yankee fan which is a whole other fucking set of what kind of worms open kevin versus jared in the new york civil war every single year would be very that'd be a worthy opponent a worthy opponent man um the next one is another just flip-flop. Kevin, you're involved in this one. What if it was for sure not that took off and Dave applied to be a blogger for you and you were the El Prez of for sure not? Bro, I love for sure not with every fucking ounce of my heart.

I love for sure not. FSN was like my favorite thing that I've ever done in my life short of like becoming a dad. It was like for no money, literally no money. I think I once got like a Google AdSense check for like $167. That's pretty good. Yeah, it was like my whole thing ever.

And I actually planned, I never cashed it. I wanted to like frame it and I just lost it. I did the same thing with mine for my blog before Barstool. I think it was a $3 check and I planned on framing it because I was like, especially it's $3. I don't care.

It's kind of like a cool thing and I think my mom threw it out by accident. She's like, oh, I threw it out. Sorry. That's how it goes. All I do is pay for my,

I pay for my site every single year because I don't want to let it go. You know what I mean? You still pay for yours? I think so. I don't know if it's still

on WordPress.com or WordPress. Mine's still on WordPress.com or WordPress. Mine's still on WordPress. I lost mine, and it's a big regret. You should keep it going. $10 a year. Just for the URL. I lost it, and I think if you go to ForSureNot.com now, it says –

Fucking Zonker, get it? Yeah, it says something like contact if you want it, but I think I once reached out. I think it was like several thousand dollars or something. I think whoever it is knows what's up. I'll get it back one day. It's like your child at home that you want to go back and buy. Yes, yes. But I also – maybe not as much because I also – what does still exist is for sure not.wordpress.com.

Yeah. And I put that private because there's a lot of the jokes from 2009 and 2008 that were not – 7 and 8 that were not allowed. But it was like for no money, just for the fun of it. I remember times where like my buddies would be like, we're going out. You ready? And I'm like, no, I got to stay in and work on this because I was working on the Smoke Show cartoon or one of the bigger pieces. And they were like, why? And I was like because I fucking want to.

My friends would come to my window and tap on it because they could see into my basement and be like, come out. And I'd be like, no, blogging, blogging. Right.

And then they don't get it. It's like, it's like, I, no offense. This is more fucking satisfying than going to the bar for the 5 millionth time. So the people online that are,

I'm having fun with are more fun than you guys. If I, I think a better, a more reasonable, what if Would have been I don't know you know Dave would have never been coming to me But I think if I somehow

Had Had If I wasn't as young If I had some more money to my name I think that for sure not Could have attracted other talent Like other 90s kids And then I could have built

My own little thing Maybe you would have hired Large What's that? Maybe you would have hired Large Yeah like Yeah me and Large could have like Kind of like combined. Maybe you would have hired Large. What's that? Maybe you would have hired Large. Yeah. Like, yeah, me and Large could have, like, kind of, like, combined to do, like, this, you know, finance worker fucking blog thing. But I think – Imagine I was applying to, for sure, not for, like, eight years.

See, you would work there. Yeah. Like, you could have been – you wouldn't have been, like, a – you know, because you are kind of mentally, at least. But, like, you would have got it with, like, we're doing throwbacks about music and TV and chicks and like funny commercials. For sure. Not back up. Let's do it. I honestly think one day I will.

Like when I, when I get my big, big, big money one day or when I get my big, whatever, I want to go back to blogging about like high C Ecto cooler and fucking, you know, the crossfire commercial.

Remember that? Crossfire. Yeah. Do I remember? Yeah. i'm sure that's so dated now that people there's all the people who who could uh enjoy the revival of for sure not probably gonna be dead we we had a guy used to work with named jason kress and we used to call him crest fire and my buddy photoshopped his face over the kid's face on crossfire and changed the o to e for crestfire by the way Crossfire the game sucked.

Sucked! It was such a letdown. It was a video game? No, it was a board game where you had these little two guns. There was an arena was the board, and you had these little metal balls, and you had guns that shot the balls back and forth. It sounds fun.

Yeah, the commercial looks awesome, and then it just never really worked out. And the ultimate... The ultimate, like, false advertising... Beat and switch, whatever. Mousetrap. Yeah. The assembly is just...

All that setup, and then, like, it never really caught you that way. I thought you were going to say the light break, because you would never have enough pegs to make any of the images that they made in the commercial. And that, you lose them, and they break, and they break and yeah that was another disaster that's a whole we have mousetrap here we set it up does it work like like christmas time maybe i was an idiot like maybe no no it's it's very like it it it can work if everything just goes absolutely perfect but

probably by this time it's like our fourth time setting it up i'm sure everything has been stretched just enough where it won't be perfect so yeah it's definitely not worth all the setup and shit like that i'm still mad at whoever bought us that for christmas fuck that yeah this next one is a bit of a like this could have been written by the marvel what if people because it's a depressing one it's like oh man that's kind of a dark timeline what if big cat and pft left barstool for espn when the whole van talk thing went down j JB says. I don't think that was ever a possibility, but I remember there were people thinking that was a possibility online.

PFT just said, behind the blog that I did with him, if you haven't watched that, go watch it on the KFC Radio YouTube. He said that John, whatever his name was. John Skipper. Maybe not Skipper, but like a high up No it was Skipper I don't know if this is the guy he was talking about But it was somebody high up

He like when the drama started He was like I have your guys back like unequivocally And was talking almost in a way of like You're a part of like our team now Not like we're going to poach you away But like that there was interest in like them And keeping them and then he like the next day just flipped it was like never mind you're out here because like under pressure but but there i think you know

if espn was smart they would have fucking thrown the bag fucking war yeah like i i wonder what a real good what if what it would have would have been is like what would the bidding war have been like if espn was like when you're when your guys contract up like okay we'll wait it out and then you get like five million dollars a year each like if if like what you know what would have happened uh because you know they got the pockets like over dave at that point they did um but you know what i don't think i think that would have been a loss for everybody i don't think those guys would have flourished at espn i agree kind of talked about that as well where it – I remember thinking this, and it wasn't just like sour grapes on my part because I remember someone was like, oh, you're just mad you don't have a show. And I was like, I just really don't think – if ESPN came along and offered something, of course I would have been like, yeah, let's do it. It's ESPN.

But logically speaking, if you took a step back, I was like, this doesn't make sense. This is not a fit. Because they couldn't be their weird selves and say the shit that they want to do. And it would always be a half-assed thing for both parties involved. You know what I mean? Barstool would have lost out. ESPN would have never got the full version of those guys. They would have been compromising their content.

So the best thing that ever happened was that. It really was. And PFT said it best. Somebody told him, I think it was, what's his name? Bomani Jones. Yes, Bomani said the best thing that can happen to you is getting fired episode one because you know it's a them problem, not a you problem. You get fired ten episodes in. They think, oh, you weren't funny. You didn't hack it.

But episode one, it can't possibly be your fault so yeah i'm gonna give you guys a little like you know what if it has all the crazy things and they have the ending the ending of this ends with henry lockwood becoming the head of espn president of these kids no excuse me disney henry lockwood becomes the king of disney will say 25 years later obviously damnFT, they get their sports take. They have their shows. They do their thing. But Henry Lockwood is the guy who rises up the ranks. We've talked about how much he means to Barstool and how that crazy, beautiful mind works.

Henry Lockwood is the new head of ESPN. Last night at KFC Radio Live, we did top five. In honor of Norm, we did top five deaths. Just top five dead people, top five deaths. You worried me about the dog. We were just talking about that. No, yes. Sorry, sorry.

Norm MacDonald. And I said Harambe. I drafted Harambe. And I think Harambe was decently responsible for the rise of PMT. Oh, yeah. I think that the t-shirts they made. I bought the shirt back then. Yeah.

And I also think, what if? I think that Hank created the bonus structure here at Barstool because I think those Harambe shirts sold so well that they needed to give him a cut of it. He installs the first Taco Bell in Disneyland. Big ribbon-cutting ceremony. That'd be great, man. That's great um the next one we got here is this is actually a star wars one that i wrote down because i found it super interesting frank car

i said what if the star wars original trilogy were released in the time frame that the sequel trilogy was i don't think it would be nearly as beloved i think meaning like in the early late 90s or whatever it was no like the sequel trilogy not the prequels as beloved. Meaning like in the early, late 90s or whatever it was? No, like the sequel trilogy, not the prequels, as in like nowadays, like the last three. Oh, okay. I think in the Reddit age, I think there would have been a sector of fans that just randomly said like, I bet Darth Vader is Luke's dad. So when the reveal happened, it would have been like, called it, called it, whatever. I don't think it would have been an obvious thing. Do you think that?

I think Return of the Jedi would have been panned. Crushed, yeah. Absolutely. People would have said they had no planning going into this trilogy they made the romantic connection between luke and leia incestuous yeah and their brother and sister now han solo should have died in the final one they probably would have you know taken harrison ford's position they would have said that the jawas were horrible they would do you think people were saying that the ewoksoks, I mean. It got a lot of trash for the Ewoks. They were like, you just put teddy bears in the final Star Wars movie. I love the Ewoks, but I get that.

I love them too. I get that. Especially because I was a kid when I saw it for the first time, so I'm always a kid in my mind watching Return of the Jedi. But I think that would have gotten a lot of the same feedback the last Episode IX got as the Skywalker. Yeah, I think that would have gotten a lot of the same feedback the last episode nine got, Rise of Skywalker. Yeah.

I wonder, too, if, like, there's – would that also mean, like, technology-wise and everything? Like, would the movies have been filmed in this era or just released in this era? I guess just filmed in this – because if you released them in this era, yeah, people would be like, did they have a budget of $27? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think that all plays into the— There's a channel, Corridor Digital, who Nick Hamilton watches all the time. We text about them. They're amazing VFX guys.

And they did a challenge where they recreated the final trench run from Star Wars, Luke destroying the Death Star in 24 hours. They were like, we could recreate that in a day. In a day? Yeah. And at the time, that was probably the greatest fucking thing ever shown on screen. Yeah, for like weeks, they were working with miniatures and cameras, and they built a tiny little Death Star and tiny little X-Wings, and they were blowing things up on set and filming it with a blue screen.

And they were like, we could do this in After Effects. I'll get it to you by Tuesday. Yeah. I had an interesting thought. This is just kind of off topic, but I read Ken Jack's review of the Matrix trailer. He didn't love it. No, and I thought he had an interesting point about the technology, the special effects. Special effects have kind of plateaued, haven't they?

Like in a big picture. I know they've been advancing. I think we're going to hit another advancement. Jurassic Park was in 1992. That looks like a movie that could have come out right now. Totally. You know what I mean? And it has a lot to do with Spielberg being smart and always shooting the dinosaurs and the T-Rex.

So he's in rain and in darkness. Sure. He could hide some of that shit. But it was never – like looking back, you're not like, oh my god, I can't believe we were ever afraid of that. I mean, no. And even like some of the Matrix stuff, it like you know what what's next i was hoping for the same thing that ken jack was in the matrix trailer being like they really pushed like special effects in those movies originally how can they do it now right is there something that the matrix is going to do where they're like oh my god they they're

the first ones to ever do a scene with this kind of camera with this sort of thing yeah but part of me feels like i don't know how much more can we fucking do with graphic although I'm sure that's a silly thing talking was like Avatar in terms of like oh my god you have to see it

in theaters that's pretty long ago though pretty long ago over 10 years ago this is 2009 what's the last movie that you had to see

in theaters and that you really really really did like the live action Lion King got a lot of love yeah but like I didn't

even like that because I felt gravity that movie sucked whether you were in fucking theater or home it was kind of a boring movie Lion King got a lot of love. Yeah. But like, I didn't even like that because I felt, gravity, yeah. That movie sucked whether you were in fucking theater or home. It was kind of a boring movie.

There just hasn't been anything that visually goes, I'm sure some people are gonna like, respond with some, but even like, some recent Marvel movies have been like,

oh, you know what kind of blew me away was, and this is a weird one, but Quiet Place 2, I thought had awesome CGI, because the first one did the Spielielberg thing and

that the monsters were only shown in darkness and hidden yeah and then it seemed like they got a huge budget for the second one and krasinski was like daylight let's show them in the daylight that was cocky it was cool yeah a monster movie in the daytime was cocky yeah but anyway that was off topic so yeah no no i think that's actually the perfect thing to bring up because i think you'd have to have star wars make whatever that advance is in the movie to be the holy shit moment or at least have it be equal to the cgi of today in that case though i'm with you guys return of the jedi gets panned and even um i think we've talked about this in past my mom's basement but i do think the reddit crowd the twitter crowd like people will be nitpicking every little thing like y Yoda saying, oh, wait, there's another.

Oh, yeah. They would say no planning. Obi-Wan saying from a certain point of view, people would have lost their fucking mindset. That would have been outrage city. Think of every little fucking possible thing. Obi-Wan, fuck you. The writers don't know what they're doing. It would have been destroyed.

It would have been George Lucas ruined Star Wars by the third one. Why was Star Wars so – was one. Why was George Lucas, why was Star Wars so, was it just people loved the movie or was there like something about the era and the time

that it came out? Was there like an X-Factor? Star Wars was incredibly revolutionary as far as CGI goes. Even the prequels were. When the prequels came out,

they were considered very revolutionary. I'm sure the fucking lightsabers alone were like, wow. Exactly. The lightsabers, the Flash Gordon inspiration, like Flash Gordon just died down down that's what i mean it was the 80s like

it was 70s or 80s 70s yeah was it like 80 you know the world was getting into sci-fi and getting into these things and then this was like the it was the perfect stars aligning for all of that stuff was the perfect cast for it it was like like a young cast, but like it could, the movie worked for kids. It worked for adults that liked Flash Gordon when they were their kid's age. And then that was just like movie previews and TV commercials

and like bus fucking stand billboards. They didn't even really have advertising. Like Star Wars didn't do, it did well on its opening weekend, but it did much better like a month after it came out. Word of mouth. Word of mouth.

Wow. They did their big, like there's a famous, like at the Chinese Theater in LA Well, on its opening weekend, but it did much better like a month after it came out. Word of mouth. Word of mouth. Yeah. Wow. They did their big, like there's a famous, like at the Chinese Theater in LA where they had C3PO and R2-D2 put their footprints in, the cement and that whole thing. And they did that, I think, a month after the movie came out. Wow. Because it was like, that was the almost re-grand opening of like, oh my God, this movie did so much better. And the studio had no faith in it doing well.

Right. So George Lucas was like, listen, you don't have to give me like upfront money for this. Just give me the merchandising money. Yeah, give me the fucking percentage points. And that wound up making him so much money. Similarly, Robert Downey Jr. for Iron Man was considered such a risky choice at the time. Favreau was adamant.

Like, we have to have Robert Downey Jr. He is the guy. And the studio was kind of like, have to have robert downey jr he is the guy and the studio was kind of like i don't know and he said well why don't you pay him like merchandising and like box office instead of the upfront fee or whatever and they said yeah and robert downey jr is still racking in the that's another what if uh a lot in hollywood um donald sutherland was offered uh percentage points on animal house and he and it was it was like could get like $20,000 to do this movie, or we'll give you equity, and he took the money. Oh, man.

So I think like every fucking college Belushi sweatshirt being sold and poster being sold, he'd probably still be cashing in on Animal House. There's a few of those where people passed on the money. Harrison Ford took the money for it. He took the equity for The Force Awakens. He took like 0.05%, and it became the highest grossing movie in American history. It still to this day is. Yeah.

And he is still making ridiculous money off of it. Just episode seven. How much money do you think he's worth, net worth? Harrison Ford? Is he in the hundreds? Like big, big money? He probably should be, right? He's one of the most famous actors ever.

With Indiana Jones and Han Solo alone, those two. If Dave is in the hundreds, I would hope Harrison Ford is in the hundreds. I'm going to say... I'm going to say 100. What do you say, Clem? I think he's much... I'd say like 200. I'm going to say 260.

Well, you've got to wear that earring. 300. 300. 300. All right, good. I'm glad that Harrison Ford's getting paid after all this time. He got that money from Java. You can't wear that hoop in your ear unless you're worth at least two cents.

That's a good point. That's a good point. Pull it off. Is he still in Callisto Flockhart? Yep. Are they still together? Yep. 2002 till present, which is eternity.

That's a hell of a time. How many McBeals? Five kids. Unbelievable. Shout out Harrison Ford. Shout out his marriage. Let me just say real quick. This is cocky.

When you're listed, American film actor, director, producer, and pilot. Oh, yeah. Well, he can take off. I don't know if he could land. Half a pilot. Half a pilot. At what point are you considered a pilot? Is he just getting the plane in the air?

Because you can probably all do that. You know what? They're probably talking about he's the pilot of the Millennium Falcon. That's such a funny, like, that's like a fucking movie character. It's like the pilot who can fly but can't land. That's Harrison Ford. All right, KFC, thank you for joining us. Thank you, guys.

Thank you for joining us. We'll be back for another What If breakdown next week. Maybe a Shang-Chi breakdown if Clem sees it in time. And see you then. Adios, Clem. My hot seat.