My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 162 - EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE ETERNALS (WITH JOSE YOUNGS)

Episode Date: October 29, 2021

Robbie's friend Jose Youngs (of MMAFighting.com) - a literal wealth of comic book knowledge - joins the show to educate the Basement boys about The Eternals before they see the movie! 3Chi: Use code MMB at checkout to receive 5% off at 3Chi.com Get FREE SHIPPING on all water/merch at LiquidDeath.com/momsbasement Subscribe to My Mom's Basement on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIeZ96PqdsJYQ7DFLRx6MHw My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basement Intro Music: “Basement Noise” by All Time Low Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/basement-noise/1499013757?i=1499013968 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/3Aq9W9BBCjsFOQqcYyO6IA?si=d9d0f74cf54a48deYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members in the basement, noise in the basement. Just stupid boys making basement noise in the basement. Yeah, yeah. Hello and welcome to this special edition of My Mom's Basement, a little Eternals preview for everybody. I said, I don't know anything about the Eternals. Clem doesn't know anything about the Eternals. So I got to bring on an expert. I got to bring in a comic book encyclopedia. Jose Young's, you know more about comic books than anyone I know.

I was just saying to Clem, we were kind of talking about it before we went live over in Fight Island when I was over there January. I was lost. I was like, I'm not going through the best state of mind. Isolated. I'm in the hotel room. It was locked down. Other side of the world.

I don't know anybody. And then you would just come over and be like, yo, you want to talk about comics? WandaVision? And I'd be like, yes, absolutely. You dropped some crazy knowledge on me on that trip. I wound up buying Spider-Man comics because you wound up giving me great recommendations. So I wanted to have you on. I'm glad that you could make the time.

Thank you for making the time. How are you? I'm living, man. I'm still surviving out here in Phoenix, Arizona. Apparently the pandemic just never hit this state. So no one really cares about anything, but gearing up for another, as you mentioned there, another trip to fight Island, far few, few of us, fewer of us are going, so you won't be there. So I'll have to get my comic book conversation elsewhere, which will be a challenge third trip this is this is my third trip to abu dhabi luckily this was only five days though so no like the first one the first one is crazy long i wasn't there for that yeah the first one i went to so the first time they went to fight island was it ended with the uh masvidal who's been one yeah uh well no that kicked it off

i can't quite remember but uh yes correct and they also had figgy joe b uh and i can't i think it was calvin cater and dan eagay but uh there were a lot of brazilians on that card so my coat my colleague gary cruz went because he's he covers he covers the brazil scene for us uh the second trip though the it started with a pay-per-view i can't remember the number off the top of my head it was izzy costa and dom yon and then there were three fight fight nights in the middle so it was holly uh irene uh zombie ortega and uh san hagen mores that's not the order they were in but like it was those three weeks and then it ended with habib gaethje so i was i was in abu dhabi for five straight fights but five weeks in abu dhabi is something in a bubble like putting you putting your laundry in the like toxic waste bag and giving it to the hotel staff

to give back to you it was uh like robbie you when you were there it was it was worse than that because like we were more we were more restricted we were it was a real real lockdown it was like i am legend status like walking down the freeway with no cars on the road because there was like barricades on each end and you could rent bikes but it's like a thousand degrees outside it was for anyone that's been traveling was essentially phoenix's summer mixed with florida summer like the heat of us and the humidity of florida it was absolutely brutal and i get to go back and then straight to new york to see it for the next pay-per-view yeah you could check out all jose stuff mma fighting.com his twitter jose youngs and all that but we're here to talk about comics you're talking about internals let me remind everybody about our presenting sponsor 3chi

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i couldn't read yet so i'd have my uncle read them to me uh because my uncle david's the one that really got it to me it was the original batman it was the comic book based on batman the animated series oh no it was like batman batman adventures i believe it So it was like Batman Adventures, I believe it was. It was the it was this. It was a scarecrow one. I don't remember the plot. And there were some really good ones based on the animated series. Mad love. The fantastic.

That's so good. I was going to say that. So I had that. And then the one I remember reading, like I sat down and read it out loud. It took me like four hours because I'm like phonetically trying to sound out the words to like an adult and they're just like yeah okay kid was mask of the phantasm was the comic book version that was the first like comic comic i bought and then after that did you guys have the trading cards with like the the stats of the superheroes on the back yeah i have i still have my original one oh god yeah the um the x-men ones x-men was was the thing that got me into comic books and the

cards were something that I didn't know the books that much but I just love staring at the cards and the toys obviously yeah so my uncle gave me all of the he gave me a massive set basically I think they came out of 94 they're like worth nothing I've like looked into it but it has

the a quick bio like maybe like 100 words and then like power levels so like the intelligence of like mr fantastic was like 10 out of 10 but then like his strength was like 3 out of 10 and stuff like that and then it would like put all that and then i also had like they had the same thing but for batman and then dc and then like members like wildcats and like all that tom foley but like that's where a lot of my knowledge comes from bob you know how i get in the basement here when i have people that i could tell you gravitate towards and between jose's love of uh mma his love of comic books and i mean just using the

word tomfoolery which is one of my favorite words i i'd be like getting like a little like scared right now but you know what you took care of our boy overseas in abu dhabi we always worry sick about robbie when he goes away on long trips. We, you know, he's by himself. So we got to thank Jose for coming on. He got me psyched with that card stuff. And like Bob said, we're clueless. And Robbie goes, you know,

I don't even know if he's like a big Eternals guy, but I think he probably is. So I hope Jose, tell me, you know, some Eternals here. Please God, tell me, you know, some Eternals. I know what everyone needs to know. Cause the Eternals has been going on for a long, there's a lot of stuff you can ignore, but I got the good stuff. All right. Before we get into the Eternals. I know what everyone needs to know because the Eternals has been going on for a long there's a lot of stuff you can ignore but I got the good stuff. All right before we get into the Eternals breakdown I'm going to tell you about my new favorite sponsor. There's a new brand of

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The Eternals was like a Jack Kirby thing. And like Jack Kirby is a very polarizing individual, not in the sense that I've never met someone that doesn't respect Jack Kirby as like a person. It's just the aesthetics of his art are you either hated him or love him. But everyone respects him uh so it was very much like do you remember the the like when he created when he would draw asgard with like thor or he would draw like orion and high father and dark side like it was that level

of like crazy art so but so it came around around then and the history, the creation of the Celestials and like the last few years is really the most, in my opinion, the only very interesting stuff. They've kind of been a side character for a bit and there have been good arcs, but there's not been a lot of Eternals arcs that I've like I recommend. Like if someone's like, hey, I want to read comic books. I very rarely, if ever, recommend The Eternals. Like their origin story is so much more interesting. And that's kind of the point. They're not supposed to be a big time player. And so their roles in the publishing world and in the fans world,

I think, reflect their role in this fictional Marvel world. They're supposed to be a behind the scenes type player. So you mentioned the celestials and the celestials are for lack of better words space gods and when i like i'm do you guys know like the power levels for like mutants like omega level like level five so a mega level mutant or mega level power would be someone like magneto charles xavier like gene gray like there's they are the top of the top the celestials are so like that you can't wrap your head around them like they are an astronomical force of they are a force of nature they're to us like we are more aware

of our white blood cells than like the eternals would be aware of humanity like they they are on another level of being like they like there's been a few that have come actually no there's been a lot that have come to earth and like there's one like the neil gaiman one that i tagged you and there's like a scene where giant man who at the time was like yellow jacket was was giant and the dreaming celestial was buried and he woke up and it was like giant man was like a thimble it is like you can't you the human mind would not be able to comprehend a celestial he look amazing in the trailer too they're the ones with the big like multiple eyes yeah crazy helmet looking so we don't we don't even know if their eyes no one quite knows

what is what an eternal looks like that is essentially what the human mind comprehends the mass so for all we know that is not that is not quite like that is our mind that is the the human mind attempting to like put a face to an eternal like there's nothing that we can comprehend outside of christ himself coming back. Holy shit. These guys, we got to be afraid of him. So the Celestials, they came to Earth. Because you can't. And I know we want to talk about the Eternals, but you can't talk about the Eternals without talking about the Celestials because they are.

They're like the Eternals bosses, right? Sort of. Well, in a very rudimentary way in the sense that like Joe Biden would be our boss. It's like that. So the Celestials came a billion years ago. Like they're like a lot like a lot of comic books

have like, oh, they've been here for a thousand years. They've been here for a million years. They've been here a billion years. Like it's been very retcons. No one really has. Like I always say a billion because that's pretty how far back. And they can create matter and they can create life. And trillions of years ago, there was this being called the first permanent, which was literally just an essence. There was no physical force.

It was just like this mind in space surrounded by nothing. He was pre-life. And he created the celestials and the aspirants which are just like two two different types of the eternals so basically because he was bored and wanted company that's literally what it comes down to so he created this and as most things are in life the eternals and the aspirants started a civil war and the aspirants created this giant robot called the god killer which didn't quite work out uh but then that's also that's right there's also the odin sword which allegedly couldn't hurt the they it

was created to hurt the eternals but it didn't work out but that's been retconned a lot like when it was created it didn't work but since then it's kind of so i don't really count that because same as the god kill like it's just it's been going on for so long that no one really quite knows. So the Celestials wipe out the aspirants with like in the war. But because of this, they also wipe out the firm, the first permanent. And this created the first universe in the multiverse. They be, you know, do you guys know who eternity is? So eternity Easter egg. If you watch the

full disclosure, I haven't seen too many of the Marvel movies, as Robbie knows. It's not that I don't like them, and I really appreciate what they do, because it gets people into, like, Robbie, you're reading comic books because of this. And I'm sure other people do, too. So I really appreciate what they do, but I've seen

Guardians of the Galaxy 2. And do you remember when Ego, who is obviously Star-Lord's father, touches him and his eyes turn into stars? And he goes, what do you see? And he goes, eternity. So in the Marvel comic books, eternity is an actual character. He is essentially God. He created life. You will see this very famous photo of this tall individual made of stars like he it looks like he's a cloak he's wearing cloaks but he is made

of stars and he's holding his hand out and he's creating the milky way galaxy in his the palm of his hand that's how big this individual was so he's essentially the creator of life and his he was created from the essence of the celestial aspirant, permanent war. So the permanent and the aspirants kind of go off and do their thing. They create their own world. Now, the celestials, they can create life. And to put their power level into a way that you quite understand,

Odin, Zeus, like Vishnu, all this, these are actual characters. level into like a like a way that you quite understand odin zeus like vinshu vishnu all this like these are actual characters in the comic books like they exist in lore in real life but in the comic books they're actual characters the three of them team up to fight the celestials and the celestials don't like they don't do it they don't dent them they don't sweat the celestials are like what do you like be gone you like they just swatted like the you know the destroyer armor i believe it was in one of the thor movies yeah the destroyer yeah they created that to fight the eternals and it didn't work out they are on the same level as galactus uh in terms of power and to the point where in in the when a celestial woke up it sent ripples through

the galaxy like we don't we don't feel it but an eternal woke up this was in the neil gaiman story uh the the dreaming celestial woke up on earth and stood up to the point where like you guys i haven't watched the what if shows is the watcher in the what if oh yeah big time so the watch the watchers always watching and there's a scene when the when the dreaming celestial wakes up and it says for the first time in decades the watcher cannot watch like he turns away he's like oh shit and and galactus is like eons away on the other side of the universe and he like is doing his thing and he like stops and like looks up and it goes and it says like galactus forgot what fear is like like that is the power level

of a celestial so anyway that like sets the scene for the celestials celestials eventually come to earth which the first celestial that came i can't quite remember their name but they came and they they basically the only reason they came to earth is because there was a war and he just needed a place to rest and die because Earth was nothing at the time. That's how long ago this was. We're the Holiday Express for the Celestials. They just seem worse. It's like a Motel

6 in like Newark, New Jersey. That is... Don't bring up Jersey. Come on. Thank you, Jose. It is a Motel 6 in Albuquerque, New Mexico. You're like, I guess I'll stay here.

This place is a place. Anyway, so the Celestials, they do these things. They go from planet to planet and they create these experiments. For example, like the Sk like the scrolls which i believe were in one of the the um avengers movies those that is a that is a race of aliens that has the

deviant gene in them so the scrolls are essentially a race of the deviant gene which i'm going to get to then the whole screes scroll the cree scroll war which is like is it going on but in the comic books like Like it sort of ended, but it was more like a ceasefire rather than a full fledged like we're good. That's kind of how when Captain Marvel to like we're kind of waiting for that shit to explode. Oh,

oh, to be continued. So essentially the Celestials come to Earth and before I some of these names I'm trying names, I was trying to remember because it's been so long. So if anyone's listening to this, I get one of the names wrong.

I apologize. But I was also very young when I read this. So essentially, they come to Earth, the Celestials, and they meet Gaia, who's Mother Earth, essentially. And she gives them the... And they want to run an experiment. So she gives them these individuals called the Wanderers, which are essentially the gap between the Neanderthals and humanity.

Like they're not quite Neanderthals, but they're not quite humanity. And she gives them to them. And they break them up into three groups. Gammonene, the Celestial. The Gammonene and the Celestial broke them up. So there's Xeron the Tester, who was one of the three Celestials. And he introduced the Deviant Gene to the Wers which eventually become deviants which is just a warped troll monster like creature so evil a lot super evil right they're not quite they're not quite

evil they just they're their own it's like they would be like calling humans evil like they marched they do like if war happens it's just their nature like they are violent but they just they look like monsters yeah so in in this comic book lore like in the middle ages if someone sees like oh i saw a dragon oh i saw a monster you probably just saw a deviant you didn't see a werewolf you saw a deviant if that makes sense so they're not bad they're just drawn that way like jessica rabbit you said it not me so then the second the second celestial and the czar the calculator he introduces the angelic cosmic power and created the eternals which is essentially angels so i don't know which characters which i'm in the in the trailer i'm assuming angelina jolie plays thena which he does you're

here written down so it does so if you're hearing that word you go that sounds like athena that is not a coincidence so the greek gods they viewed her as so the greek she was athena this character athena existed she was just she wasn't a greek god she was an eternal like that is what it was so like and and you're you're probably wondering like why did they not stop war why did they not stop the plays yeah why did they get involved in endgame or infinity war and i'm about to get to that but the the third celeste was oneg the prober and he planted this new gene in humans that would emerge in puberty. It would mutate.

You would get powers. Bingo. Bingo. So they would also in this gene, they pretty much only wrote this in to explain it. Some humans have the ability to like like radiation would unlock it. So that's why they're trying to explain like why didn't Peter Parker like die from being bitten by a radioactive spider? Why did Bruce Banner not die from a gamma bomb going off?

So it's because they had this. They basically created superheroes with this. Yes. With the gene. Yes. The three groups. So the celestials experiments they don't do this just on earth they do this on multiple plants then they leave and they let life take its course because then they're going to come back and they're going to judge

but the eternals were left behind to essentially be the caretakers of the world like they are going to watch they were going to make sure the experiment continues on now the eternals eventually come back uh and they realize like in this time like the greeks are praying to zeus like the nordic people are praying to odin and vice versa because they odin and zeus and everyone like, are characters. They are a level below the Celestials, but not above humanity. They could end wars. And the Celestials view them as an outlier. And Celestials go,

no, no, no. You're not fucking with our experiment. If you mess with our experiment, that's a wrap on you. We are going to... Basically, that's why Zeus and Odin don't get involved in say world war ii because the celestials were like this if this happens it's the experiment

they've like the humans duke it out yes you are not to mess with what we are trying to accomplish so if if if they create a nuclear bomb and you don't agree with it dems the brakes that's like you're not fucking with a celestial because they'll just squish you like a grape. Already. They already tried and it failed. So like the, so essentially like that,

they're trying to explain, like you see in the trailer, like, why didn't you help out? Yeah. It's because the celestials, if they create a gun, that's life survival of the fittest.

We want to see. And they, they, the celestials and the eternals refer to earth as the machine like the machine not earth not this planet the machine as long as the machine is operating the eternals cannot die they are immortal so eventually because there's the eternals and the deviantsants, there is a war. The Eternals establish Titanos. Basically, the Eternals protect humanity

from the Deviants and vice versa. The Deviants still view the Celestials as their god, but it's just like two sides of the same coin. They're just destined to fight. And the Eternals always win because they can't die. So the Eternals eventually establish Titanos, and then there's two eternals called uranos and chronos who basically there's a civil war between eternals uranos abandons his

responsibility goes f humanity i want to conquer this machine like i don't want to be their watchers i want to be the dictator so there's the fight chronos obviously opposes him he goes no we have a responsibility uranosus obviously loses. Uranus and his followers are banished to Earth. You cannot live here anymore. And they go to Titan. Oh, shit. That's where fucking your voice comes from.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm getting there. I am getting there. I am getting there. I am getting there. They eventually settle on Titan. And there is a civil war on Titan, which is not overly important to the Eternal the eternal well it is but like not to this to this narrative so the chronos who stays ask ask his sons you cannot go to war eventually we will move on and it is everyone's

nature to fight there's already a civil war you and i don't want my sons fighting. Now, his sons eventually split up. Zeros and Alars. Zeros stays on Earth. Alars goes to Titan. And he meets someone named Suisan. And Suisan has two sons. Starfox and

a son with the deviant gene named Thanos. Boom. Get the family tree. So Thanos has, Thanos is essentially a type from Titan, but he has the deviant gene and Star Fox has the eternal gene, which is why Star Fox is not, I don't believe it's in the movie,

but if you've read the infinity gauntlet comic book, he's like very much a main player. He is like, like perfect skin, perfect hair, like in the comic books, he's like this whole time that's like a good brother bit of a thor loki thing huh very very much so thanos eventually like you know like there's the titan war and he wipes out all titan um there's like a lot of like what happened to like his mother like some stories say he killed her some stories say she just died in the battle in general there's no like exact thing eventually but like so that's

the that's the thanos thing eventually back on earth the celestials return to see like to check to check like how's this going like it's which i feel like might be like where the movie's going like there's a few theories i have there's a few theories i have for that and a few that i hope happen and a few that'll probably happen it'll make sense but i'll get i'll get to that in a second so um the eternal and keep in mind like there's a side story which i i have a feeling they'll talk about in the movie because like i saw the trailer and there's like there's like a scene where there's like a guy sitting around a fire but he kind of looks like a caveman like and so in this there's a comic a story for the eternals where uh the make the the main

character who you would call is rob stark his name is yes that is like he's not the most he is by no means the most powerful eternal but he's kind of the face he's kind of like the superman the captain america is not the most powerful avenger he's just the face correct could he beat all of the avengers 100 just like batman would beat all of the justice league but that is a hell yeah very debatable very very i'm an iron man guy just like busting rob's balls i'm not an iron man guy whatsoever hell yeah anyway icarus goes icarus like shows up to this like person who's like a caveman like post caveman he's like have you seen any monsters and so this like superheroes don't exist yet so

this man thinks he's a god he's like no no monsters here so he goes wait here and if a monster shows up call me so the guy stays there for 90 years on that beach and eventually dies and then a d and then they caught like they like his family curses his name and everything and then icarus comes back and he goes what's the problem he goes it's been 90 years he goes yeah and it's like 90 years it's like a day to the eternals like it means like time means nothing to them like there's like a scene in the neil game thing he goes yeah what he's been gone for like 100 years whatever like he's been he's been meditating for two weeks that's like five minutes to them it's like i i have a feeling so icarus does feel some sort of remorse for that and i think that's what's going to happen with john snow's kit harrison's character but i don't

that's just a theory anyway he's dane whitman right the Knight, he's called. Yeah. Yeah. He's withholding on purpose. I can see it. Anyway, the Eternals come back and there's a war. First of all, they're pissed at the Eternal Civil War. They're just like, what are you guys doing? We gave you a job. So the Deviants also during this time take over Earth and enslave

humanity. The Celestials come back and the deviants wipe them out like they eat them like there's like pictures of them like eating them like popcorn like just handfuls of people just eating them and they wipe out it's called the great cataclysm i believe what's called this great schism or something like that and they sit there's this there's this city that is the main city for trading with the Deviants and Celestials. And they sink it to the bottom of the ocean, which is

what? Atlantis. Oh, shit. This could even be setting up that. So Mariner, blam. So the Celestials do send a warning that they'd cleanse the Earth. So the Celestials send warning that they'd come cleanse Earth, blah, blah, blah, this and that. the deviants are sent underground the eternals ally with zeus

and the greek gods to watch humanity which is why like in like actual lore there's like that time when zeus was like the man which is why athena becomes athena and like hercules and this this that a lot eventually there's also this this this eternal like called gilgamesh which becomes an actual character in the comic books. Oh, yeah. It's just a whole. He's in there. Yes.

But he so he is an eternal that does fight with the Avengers. Avengers Celestials come back again. And the Celeste, this is when they tell like Zeus, Odin, everyone to like check yourself like the Eternals are going to monitor. Basically, the Eternals are sent there to monitor Earth until the Celestials deem them worthy or not so they have a beacon in Peru that they can activate and the Celestials can come and they judge now there's

this thing I believe it's called the Horde or the Swarm or something it's like an interstellar swarm of bugs right terrifying I hate it already yes and the eternals come and they judge they judge humanity they judge life that hasn't got there yet and if they're if humanity has been good enough to basically like if there's a meter and if it is slowly tipping towards the eternal's angelic side then they cleanse the

energy to the eternals but if it's tilted more towards the deviant side they cleanse the life the life force and give it to the swarm the horde so it's it's pretty it's pretty wild humanity has to like be good for the eternals to gain power but they're not supposed to know they're part of the experiment because they don't want to they don't want the eternals don't and it's less interesting stuff i don't know and they don't want it to they don't want to tip the balance so there's a few theories that i have for the movie um because like they're like are you gonna see this movie does this movie i'll probably see this i will see this movie because the eternals inch like the theternals like the origin

story for the Eternals is so interesting to me but like nothing else they've really done has been overly interesting so maybe they could like take that origin and like take it in a new direction so like there's a few things like for example Ajax which is Salma Hayek's character, supposed to be a man

which is whatever three of them I saw. Ajax, I think Sprite and McCrory. Yes. So Sprite is supposed to be the boy who never ages. He's sort of the antagonist for the Neil Gaiman comic book where he's tired of being 11. He's been 11 years old for a million years. Oh, shit.

So there's this thing called the Omni brain, Omni mind. I can't quite remember exactly what it is where basically all the internals like mold minds and create this ethereal being that can go like actual fight the Celestials, but they all have to be in the same room. They all have to do it together. And, and Sprite can like mess around with minds. And he basically trades the internals and wipes their minds so he can become human.

It's a whole, it's a whole ordeal. But he is a bad guy. He's not the bad guy, but he has selfish motives. So the emergence, which is what the trailer says, I think has it's one of a few things I could think

of. It could be the dream Celestial wakes up, which is what the Neil Gaiman thing is and where he stands up and he's about to wipe out earth but then he like judge he has to judge it but like and like to keep to like put this in perspective what the eternals are like in this one of the comic books when the dreaming celestial wakes up uh it's during like did you read the did you read the civil war arcs either of you i i own one of

the books but i didn't even read it so you have to choose like are you team iron man your team captain america do you register as a hero or do you oppose the government this and that iron man and giant man are like go up to like icarus and they're like you have to you have to register he's like no i'm not like that would be like and they're like what do you mean he goes would an adult pick a side between two children playing in the mud like that's how we view you like your squabbles of registering is nothing to us and one of the biggest things in the history of the mcu is like civil war obviously and they're laughing yeah there doesn't mean a thing because that's part of the experiment yeah like doesn't mean a thing so essentially there's two things i could think of either the emergence is one of them

wakes up the celestial that's buried underground and we don't know why that is there like we don't like we don't know why the dreaming celestial like we don't like we don't know why the dreaming celestial is there like i remember i can't quite remember but i was like well like uh like one of the eternals is trying to talk to the celestial and he's like why are you here why are you buried he's like like like would an ant if you told an ant about a dwarf star with that ant, no at all, what you're talking about, like that is what this is to you,

to humanity, us telling you why we put this eternal underground will mean nothing to you. And then an Ironman is like, well, shit. All right. Peace. So either he is waking up or the eternals are coming back to judge or there's this idea

where the eternals are planting their seed in the centers of of planets and then the celestial is planting like a seed and then the celestial is born like created because where did the celestials come from like that's the sort of thing now if you and this is what i'm hoping happens selfishly now if these celestials are planting life force in these planets to be born why are there not more celestials there is an infinite number of planets in the world why are we just not bombarded with celestials it's because there's an individual that is a force of nature going around consuming the life force of planets who needs a Herald, who is not in the MCU yet.

And that man's name is Galactus. So I hope that is a big theory that that is how I would introduce Galactus is if a celestial is being born and galactus is there to keep the balance because he is part of the balance he is everything that thanos wishes he could be like thanos is banished from mother death's life like thanos is very much involved in the eternals as well icarus and him have fought a few times uh he's met like that she's been alive for millions and millions of years icarus is just like hyper powerful and even thanos can like wipe the floor with him like his brother like officially joined the eternals in the comics later on no no he's

he's completely separate not only starfox and and she-hulk have a thing. They romance each other. Star Fox also swings both ways. Oh, shit. Nice. He's a rock star. What is gender to an Eternal? They're angels. That is essentially... There's other things where eventually...

I want to say three, four years ago, one of the Avengers comic books, again, because like I said, this is why it's hard to get hyper invested in Eternals comic books is because they're constantly retconning and they're constantly changing. So it's really hard to get emotionally invested because like I was so invested in the Eternals and like Neil Gaiman's writing it was like, wow, this rules so much. But then they go like the Avengers, like Iron Man. I want to say iron man captain america maybe captain like dr strange was definitely there like they go to like titanos like that like i don't believe it's titanos the eternals like home all the eternals are dead like dead

dead but looks like they killed themselves in like a frenzy it's because they found out what their true calling was. It was not to nurture and grow and watch humanity. It was the Eternals. I mean, Celestials view humanity as a pathogen to fight the Horde. We are just like if you have a cold and you take a cold pill, the cold pill will help fight the cold. Essentially, we are bacteria that will fight the horde for us and the eternals basically lived millions and millions of years under this this idea that they were cultivating life and they are protecting life and that was not true they were lied to the whole time they were lied to and they basically went crazy and killed themselves

holy so it's just like it got dark huh yeah so like you see icarus like dying and they're like what happened and they're like we everyone went nuts so it's like it's it's it's it's weird man that's why it's so hard to like because then there was a thing like could the celestials ever be killed could then eventually like the odin sword could kill the the celestial but then like if Odin himself can't do anything, why can his sword do it? Then all of a sudden, there's these characters called the Beyonders,

which can also kill a Celestial. It's hard to... Once you introduce the Celestials to the MCU, it sounds like, movie-wise, how can they not be major players going forward? They have to. They absolutely... They created life.

The Eternals is going gonna be a massive movie for the mcu i guess the eternals i think is gonna be a setup because that's essentially what the eternals are they are not to introduce so much and that's why i'm glad we got you on here doing this because i feel like if we or some of the listeners went in blind not knowing any of this it'd be a little bit too much to take in at least now it's like all right we know icarus we know this whole deal the celestials how they created life all that it's gonna make it a little bit too much to take in. At least now it's like, all right, we know Icarus. We know this whole deal. The Celestials, how they created life, all that. It's going to make it a little easier, I think.

And people are going to be like, oh, Icarus. I know the name from the Greek god, the story of Icarus, where his son flew close to the earth. He calls himself Icarus because he had a son. And like I said, like 90 years ain't shit to Icarus. He like goes off to do his Eternals thing. And he built his son wings and his son flew away when he wasn't there and died so he calls himself icarus named himself after the sun bingo so it's like it's all like his son like drowned and stuff and he meets like humanity

and sort of helps so he's gonna be a bit of a sad boy maybe in this movie i don't know i truly don't know that's why i'm like very they want to get very interested and i assume there's a character named cersei is yeah so cersei a big player she's one of the main eternals she is like so like there's there's like a she's like probably like yeah i think her at least in the movie are romantic thing they're supposed to be um but she's also like she's kind of we could say like we could swear on this oh big time she kind of a hoe okay yeah like she's been alive for a million years like there's a scene when like sprite is like dude you like you like he's like talking to one of the eternals i can't remember which one because like they forgot their memories and they're like stuck in these human bodies and like uh they're like drawn to each other and cersei and

this the eternal like drawn to each other and they don't know why and and then like sprite explains and she's like and they're like dude you've guys been drawn to each other it's basically like uh hancock like they're just drawn to each other like in the movie and she's like and he's like it's like a hundred thousand years ago you cheated on her and then 30 000 years ago you she cheated on you and then a thousand years ago you both cheated on each other so it's like she's just been with all of it but like i think maybe it's like a fleetwood mac it's like stevie and fleetwood boom and athena i think i'm i don't know if this is gonna it would i would assume this would be sort of the, the plot. So Angelina Jolie,

you said plays Fina, correct? That's so in the trailer, you see one of the deviants, like kind of picking her up and like wrapping his like finger around her. She is very interested in like, she wants like for a while. She's like,

I want to have a relationship with the deviant like that. I want like to marry a deviant because like, that's the next evolution. So like, that could be like your ex lover, former lover, and the deviance and that i want like to marry a deviant because like that's the next evolution so like that could be like your ex-lover former lover and the deviance and the eternals because the human so we but the thing too is we as comic book readers we know what the end game of evolution is for the celestials the end game when they introduce all of these genes is to see what comes out of this. And we know what that is. That result is supposed to be Franklin Richards, X-Man.

I believe X. I don't know if that's it. But Franklin Richards is Reed Richards and Sue and Sue Richards son. He is beyond Omega level. He would wipe his nose with a celestial. Oh, shit. He is the most powerful like this like there is nothing that can defeat him in the comic books like i'm mr fantastic son we're talking about here

franklin richards is the most he is the end goal of evolution he is the ultimate outcome the most powerful superhero ever created in terms like power level like yes he has cool powers but he he is what humanity ends as like he is a beyond omega level mutant with the son of two non-mutants taught by humanity in a world with eternals and deviants he would he there is nothing outside of like the living tribunal maybe the infinity gauntlet and maybe eternity that can touch him he is beyond power so i'm i pray they can introduce that somehow are we dabbling in kang territory here because doesn't kang have some richards in him at some point yeah yeah kang Kang and Thanos kind of do the thing

with each other for a bit. They both kind of circle. They circle the wagon a lot. If Kang is there, Thanos is not far behind and vice versa, which is why like Robin, when I tweeted that thing in 2019 at Endgame, Endgame trailers are rolling

and I tweet, I'm like, fuck Galactus. Give me Kang the Conqueror. That has to be. He was the first person I said. I'm like fuck galactus give me kang the conqueror that has to be he was the first person i said i was like who's the kang the conqueror who the fuck's that and he's like the next big villain i'm telling you and then you know two months later it was like jonathan majors cast as kang the conqueror for ant-man i was like oh shit i got it i honestly also think kang the conqueror isn't going to be the main villain i think he's going to be the loki where he's like the transitional villain to set up thanos does that make sense like yeah you introduce that up galactus you're saying yeah it has to be it or the celestials or something else or the deviants or the beyonder

like if they introduce the beyonder which is the one that like you've the original secret war when he takes all the heroes and puts them on a planet. Oh, yeah. That is the Beyonder. Like if they introduced the Beyonder, that'd be great, too. Oh, yeah. I mean, everyone wants Secret Wars like and that we're getting. It's not going to be the comic Secret Wars, but we're getting a TV show called Secret Wars soon. So that could also lend itself to that. That could also because there's been a few things labeled the Secret Wars.

The Secret Wars of the 90s the one that you know introduced the black symbiote and yeah introduced spider people forget spider woman was introduced in secret war like people don't even remember that like like that this is when the black captain marvel was i was gonna say monica rambeau was captain phasma is that isn't it phasma phasma phasma photon whatever name is photon and uh and um yeah phasma star wars um and roadie is iron man during the original during that secret wars because there's a scene with photon not in the original secret wars no it's roadie i kept thinking like oh i have to bring tony back so for a bit for a bit iron man was like batman like tony stark would be like i have to go to the bathroom and then he would like change an iron

man and fight crime no they people didn't know iron man tony stark and st person for a bit but uh there's like a scene where like photon is like i don't know like washing her clothes or whatever and like iron man shows up and says something like, because again, this came out like the 70s and 80s. He said something in like Ebonics. And of course, and because as you do in the comic book world and Photon was like, huh? Like what? And then he like takes his armor off to like clean it.

And then she's like, damn, I didn't know Iron Man was a brother. And I was like, oh my God, this is just the most absurd writing i've ever heard but it's like stuff like that so it would work but there's also a secret war which i think is infinitely more interesting because it was kind of lit the fuse for a lot of stories um where nick fury and maria hill take wolverine daredevil spider-man luke cage oh maybe one more i can't remember and they basically send them into latveria to do a secret war basically all like the heroes that can get stuff done that aren't like iron man and thor and you know that would like take like cause a scene

they basically just invade with like these six heroes and like take over latveria for like the government and they come back oh captain, Captain America, and they wipe their minds. So no one knows they even did that, which is why it's called the Secret War. And then all of a sudden, all of these heroes are being attacked by this outside force. What is happening? And that's when we find out

that Nick Fury fucked with their minds, and Wolverine goes ballistic and kills, quote unquote, Nick Fury, but it turns out to be an android. Oh, of course. as you do yeah so they but they they did that is how they wrote nick fury out of the comic books like four or five years and then he came back in the scroll invasion oh shit i mean we're getting scrolls in secret war i know that's the big part of yeah this secret war is going to be like the scroll show i think they're they're starting to come in maybe the power broker sharon carter stuff like that they're kind of i would heal i don't know if you knew that i did not know that that is very bizarre but uh i would assume

i would assume the secret war would be like the scrolls can shape shift so like there's the famous scene where electra's killed and she turns into a scroll because when you die you turn back into a scroll if you are a scroll and that's when mr fantastic's like how many of us are scrolls uh everyone is like a hero yeah yeah we could see here that might be sharon carter what if she's a scroll sharon carter dies turns into a scroll boom how many of us are screwed that'd be pretty fucking good and then the there's the big battle in uh central park and one because obviously of course you're gonna guess who there's like one big villain like like the mother of scrolls i don't know if that's her name she's like the head female scroll she's actually jessica drew which is uh spider woman yeah is like the leader and she's like on this big epic speech like we're

destroying humanity and then she gets shot in the head and dies and you're like who the fuck shot her of course it's norman osborn of all people takes the fatal shot and he becomes iron patriot he becomes captain america norman osborn becomes iron patriot so they become so there's there there's there's the thunderbolts i want to say which is eventually the avengers but it's super villains that are instead of serving time they fight crime it looks like they're maybe bringing that into the mcu as well yeah so when that happens they recreate the avengers because the avengers have obviously been disassembled and no one trusts them anymore but everyone trusts norman osborne now because

he took the last shot so i norman osborn becomes the iron patriot and his armor is essentially just iron man's armor but red white and blue yeah um and then hawkeye no bullseye becomes hawkeye moon shadow becomes captain marvel uh aries takes thor's place century is involved venom takes spider-man's place. Century is involved. Venom takes Spider-Man's place. It's just a whole thing. And then it obviously backfires in this big invasion where they invade Asgard and Century rips Ares in half.

He kills a god, which is like a whole thing, too. Holy shit. Yeah, dude. His comic books are a wild and silly scene in the last 20 years. Clem, I did not undersell Jose's knowledge, did I? You did not.sell jose's knowledge did i did not it was

that and that was great there are people that know infinitely more than me too i just i see that's scary you're saying like the human brain can't comprehend the celestials i can't comprehend the people that know more about comic books than you do there i'm sure that i'm sure there's like because i don't know a ton about what's happening in like 2021 uh i had you're not you're not as big a current reader i am but i had to dial it back a lot because i was like dc marvel like i was like i had to like dude i didn't say you're not just a dc marvel guy you're into a lot of like obscure comics comics that people like mainstream audience doesn't know like you're all tattooed up with comics that like that's true like if you guys do a sandman episode well we're gonna have to when

they do that you're gonna have to come on and give us the breakdown i can confidently say you probably will not find someone that knows more than me outside of actual neil game outside i tattooed like death on my body for like i am I am so hyped for that show. I feel like we need to get you on before like all the shows just to give us a little like preview rundown like you did just there. Like I feel infinitely more confident going into Eternals that I'm going to understand this story. Eternals, like I've talked to a few people like that because Bellator was just in town. Yeah. And there were a few MMA media people that were like, oh, you like you tweet about comic books like I should skip the Eternals right I was like bro you can't skip the Eternals

like I'm in the boat listen to me talk about the Eternals because you can't skip it right like I'm in the boat where like I didn't see the last Spider-Man with Mysterio but I saw the first one and I was like this is good I like it but like I don't go out of my way

I'm gonna go out of my way and watch the eternals just because they are incredibly underappreciated story arc. When they announced the 2021, like guardians of the galaxy, when they announced that, like, you know, most of us,

I'm sure you weren't, but most of us were like, what the fuck is that? I had a pretty, cause they were kind of in the comics. They were like, when they announced Aquaman, people like Aquaman, like why are they making an aquaman movie i'm like dude did you read throne

of atlantis that comic book rules i love jeff john's aquaman though i i know people yeah 52 but like that was a really good that was great yeah that was a lot of fun so like when they announced the movie you're like yeah duh because i because aquaman had good stories the last few years guardians was similar the only thing they didn't have was iron man was a lot more involved You're like, yeah, duh, because Aquaman had good stories the last few years. Guardians was similar. The only thing they didn't have was Iron Man was a lot more involved in the Guardians comic book. Iron Man was, really? Yeah.

Well, you need humanity there. Iron Man was just kind of the guy you threw in to a lot of characters because people like... Because as you said, I'm not a big Iron Man guy, but not because I don't like the character. I just don't... It's like, okay, Rock, I'm not a big Iron Man guy, but not because I don't like the character. I just don't. It's like, okay, Rod, you're wearing a SummerSlam shirt. If you hate The Miz or you hate MJF, do you hate him because you hate him or do you hate him because he is so good at what he does? He's a well-written character. He's there to be hated.

Iron Man was that. I hated him. But I'm just like, i hate this character so much and god damn is he so well written yeah like the civil war arc and the avengers disassembled art like i was like fuck iron man fuck this guy and i was like that's the point i keep telling myself you have to hate you're working yourself into a shoot reading a comic dude i really was i was like i was like reading i was like oh man fuck ant-man fuck mr fantastic like all this shit but like you know like ultimate like you're reading ultimate spider-man like oh i told you to read it like dude if you get into

like ultimate mr fantastic and ultimate fantastic four you're gonna be like what the fuck is happening right now like they let me ask you this before we let you go the hawkeye show coming up i know that's based on a comic book like very focused on that do you know about that comic book sitting right there behind me all right all right you're coming back before hawkeye if you got the time yeah it's just chilling on the bookshelf yeah i got oh yeah i got all of them look at that right that's yeah that's the fucking one it's based on. All right. I'm going to have to get you to come on to give us a little like on Kate Bishop, right?

She's the other. She's the one that should be training. You're going to have to give us a little homework on that before that show premieres. Yeah, this is Matt Fraction's Hawkeye there's always a comic book where like like you could everyone can read spider-man like iron man captain america and like gets like you know this is a spider-man story there's always one that comes out of nowhere that like the english lit major would be like holy shit this is a this is a piece of art and that is what hawkeye was that is what um immortal hulk was like no one had like people weren't underestimating it there was no expectation like they were like another

hulk thing and then they read it and they're like jesus christ this is so good like great like there was a like grayson like nick like dick grayson got his own story like his own like like title and people were like holy shit this is so good like that it's like that level like it came out and like now matt fraction is the man because what does he do now everything like big hero the bigger a lot of big yeah like like pretty much you name it he's put his finger into it but like yeah if anyone if you if you got to read something to set up Matt fractions, Hawkeye also, it's not the same illustrate.

Did you read Batman year one? Oh yeah. Big time. It's like, it's similar art, like this paneling. It's similar. Yeah.

Yeah. But it's not the same artist, Dave Mazzucchelli, who actually drew, uh, wrote a stereo pulse, which I tattooed on my body as well. Nice.

All right, Jose, this has been a blast. Thank you very much for coming on, dropping the knowledge on us. Tell everyone where they could find your stuff on MMA fighting. If you're listening to this as an MMA fan. And like I said, you're coming back before Hawkeye. If you got the time. 100%.

And you can follow me at Jose Young's J-O-C-Y-O-N-G-S on all. I actually do tweet. I try to tweet about comic books, but I'm mostly MMA thing. And I want to plug one thing. on all i actually do tweet i try to tweet about comic books but i'm mostly mma thing and i want to plug one thing i have no ties to this organization whatsoever and they're not i've never met someone at this organization but there is a charity called comic book for kids and you can donate graphic novels or comic books and they give them to children's hospitals and for children fighting cancer around the world is it it's a global thing so comicbookforkids.org go donate your unused

comic yeah and then you can give them to kids we've been talking about doing like uh live shows we want to do some kind of like live eternal thing or live whatever yeah we should do like a drive for that that'd be fun i've been one of my big one of my big goals in life has been like robbie you're that you're the you're the same age demographic as me was there a better day in school than a scholastic book fair never absolutely never it's like the best day in the preview book of like oh what am i gonna buy what am i gonna see at the thing exactly so it's like underpants yeah a huge thing for that i've always wanted to do is like a scholastic book fair of just comic books that's been like a the end goal for me in life so you do any sort of conflict charity i'm fucking there i got good news for you boys too

my i have a daughter she's uh in second grade right now she came home last week and it was this scholastic book order form in the same paper. Oh, yeah. Thin paper. Yeah. Like more textured. Yeah. Yeah. You go to the book fair. You can smell the books in the place.

It was like the greatest day of the year. Again, I was an idiot. I would buy like Mad Libs and then we'd like write curse words on the bus on the way like that. But that's it. I'm looking at this charity right now. Like, I think this is the official like charity of the basement. We're doing.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Go buy the shirt. Go buy the shirts, too. I've like tweeted about it a few like charity of the basement. We're doing. Oh yeah. Yeah. Go buy the shirt today. Go buy the shirts too. I've like tweeted about it a few times and like the founder. And it's literally just like a guy. Like, it's not a huge,

like the number of people on this show. Talking is like the number of people that work there. He's like called me. He's like, dude, next time you're Chicago. I just have like rooms of comic books. I have to like get to hospitals.

I was like, dude, God bless. You're the man comic books. I have to like get to hospitals. I was like, dude, God bless. You're the man for that. I, yeah, they do the same thing. Yeah.

Shit. Yeah. Awesome. That's awesome. Book for kids. Plug them. Go, go donate your old stuff.

If you don't like them or better yet, just go, like, go find some at like you, like for a while I would like go to like, uh, like thrift stores. And if I see combos, I'm like, buy, send. That's all I did. I mean, if you go to a while i would like go to like uh like thrift stores and if i see combos i'm like

buy yeah send that's all i did i mean if you go to a comic book shop especially like a mom and pop they'll usually have big long boxes full of like 50 cent books or like the ones that like those are great for kids like kids don't give a fuck about mint condition or even hey this is the sixth book in an arc like i don't care that's how i got into comic books too i'm gonna read this i'm gonna look at the fun pictures like did you guys have comic books or trading cards that like looking back you're like well i should have kept that he had a million comic that would be like so much money like whatever like i was a kid that's how we like that's not what comic books are for when you're a kid you want to have fun with them yeah absolutely all right thank you jose this has been great we'll get you back before hawkeye everyone follow jose donate your comics that's

a great charity that's a great plug for you and uh i hope you're prepped for eternals because we are