My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 164 - ETERNALS RECAP (FEATURING WRITERS KAZ/RYAN FIRPO)

Episode Date: November 9, 2021

Robbie and Clem recap/review The Eternals and then are joined by the writers of the film, Ryan/Kaz Firpo (who are cousins) to discuss what went into one of Marvel's most ambitious stories to date. 3Chi: Use code MMB at checkout to receive 5% off at 3Chi.com Bearbottom: Get $5 off your first order at bearbottom.com/BASEMENT Rothy's: Go to Rothy's.com/BASEMENT to see what the hype is all about Subscribe to My Mom's Basement on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIeZ96PqdsJYQ7DFLRx6MHw My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basement Intro Music: “Basement Noise” by All Time Low Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/basement-noise/1499013757?i=1499013968 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/3Aq9W9BBCjsFOQqcYyO6IA?si=d9d0f74cf54a48deYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners. You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Just stupid boys making basement noise in the basement, noise in the basement. Just stupid boys making basement noise in the basement. Yeah, yeah. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement, presented by Barstool Sports and 3G. I am your host, Robbie Fox, and today is the special Eternals recap with Clem. We've both seen the movie, the movie that's all talked about over the internet.

People are saying the worst Marvel movie ever. It's the worst Rotten Tomatoes score ever. I'm here to say it is not the worst Marvel movie ever. In fact, I liked it quite a bit. I would go as far as saying I really enjoyed myself in the theater watching the entire thing. So Clem, how did you like it? You were a little more skeptical than me going in.

I think the podcast with Jose helped us out. Definitely. I saw a lot of listeners also tweeted us, said that helped out. So very glad that it did. And if you're still skeptical about the Eternals, you could go listen to last week's podcast and then go see it. Yep. That's the way to go.

And we have the writers of the Eternals at the end of this podcast. So they'll kind of give a window on how they created everything, which I think kind of gives you a little idea of what you just watched as well as, you know, the whole process of it all. And two very cool guys. It was a blast. And yeah, Rob, you said it best. Like, again, this is by no fault of the internet or critics or people who just, you know, tweets of whatever. It's like, I think it's the way it goes with everything. I, again,

the movie that should not be named episode uh eight of a certain franchise kind of like poisoned my mind like everything else like you're told like oh this day is coming this holiday you get your your hopes up so much and if it doesn't hit as you hoped it would hit it kind of falls flat this almost was the the opposite where you had the Rotten Tomatoes scores, worst Marvel movie ever. And I'm like, I went into it like, wait a minute here. It's pretty hard to be the worst Marvel movie ever because some of those early Marvel movies fucking sucked. And we've talked about them here a whole bunch. Jose's, shout out Jose too.

He completely like made this so much easier to like understand because if if i got in without jose's background and everything and you know if i had not done like maybe like a little youtube video or something beforehand as like a introduction i would have just been lost i would have been staring at these giant celestial four light eye creatures and being like what the fuck is going on but when he kind of explains of how there's such massive, powerful beings, I don't know if they're like living things. So you said it, the E word, enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I didn't love it.

I certainly didn't hate it. I enjoyed it. I liked it. It was a movie that I think is, it's more of like a important movie to set up this phase, I think, than like a movie I'm going to watch a hundred times over. It's not going to be like Guardians, right? Like, to be honest, I don't watch it. In case you guys don't know,

I don't have a ton of free time these days with two kids. So it's not like I like rewatch movies other than movies that like, I really want to see again. But it's almost like, I guess, the Many Saints of Newark. I enjoyed it. I liked it. It wasn't even close to a Sopranos movie, right?

Or a Sopranos show. And I said, the Many Saints of Newark is like the Olive Garden. it i liked it i i it wasn't even close to a soprano's movie right or a soprano show and i said the many saints of newark is like the olive garden i love the olive garden i like going there like eating i know the tour italy is not as good as something i can make on my stove you know what i mean i got the italian blood rushing through me this is the same kind of thing i'm not going to confuse this with endgame not going to confuse it with Infinity War, Guardians 1 or 2, but it was an important movie that's going to have, I think, a long reaching, it's going to hit space stuff. It's going to hit these, you know, cosmic beings that can eat planets, wink, wink, potentially in the future. And all things being said, yeah, I left being like, and listen, we've talked about this

in the past. We're both kind of like, we dig history. I like when real life history is brought into a comic book movie, whether it's Watchmen, whether it's Wonder Woman, Captain America, that kind of stuff. Loki, yeah. And I told KFC. Exactly. Yeah, D.B. Cooper. I told KFC too.

I was like, dude, I don't know if you're going to watch Eternals, but if you do, A, get a little bit of background, because I know you're going to fucking hate the Celestials and all this like heavy, heavy stuff if you don a get a little bit of background because i know you're gonna fucking hate the celestials and all this like heavy heavy stuff if you don't know what's going on and b there's gonna be some history shit in there which i think he's gonna dig and i really dug that side of it yeah that was awesome that's also something we talked to eternals writers about later on so look forward to that interview it was a great time ryan and kaz furpo great dudes just normal dudes and listen i'm not gonna spoil the but they did say, me and Clem get it.

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dynamics but knowing what we knew from jose knowing what they had to accomplish this vast this daunting ambitious task i think they really did as good of a job as they could do origin movies are always going to have the origin movie issues where it's like it's going to start a little slow we're not going to be able to like really connect with the characters till halfway through the movie when you start to feel like you know them but by the end of this movie i cared about the eternals i thought the final like battle was cool the c CGI in this movie was outrageously good. The deviants and stuff, the way they looked, terrifying, cool. The cast was great. I thought the twists hit for me.

I didn't expect two things that happened. We'll talk about it when we get to the spoilers. But the twist really hit for me. And the mid-credit scene and the post-credit scene were good enough to be like, all right, even if you didn't like the movie, how could you not be excited about what's to come with these people worth the price of admission yeah i heard a lot of people saying like just go if you don't care about it just go for the mid and post credit scene and uh yeah and again i cannot we're gonna have jose on we're gonna talk hawkeye and honestly

like we've heard you guys we're gonna have to do this for like if not every single big mcu project everyone that it has like some background that we need to learn about or one anyone that jose will just do or if we have you know potentially other people who want to do it as well but jose was like knocked it out of the park but he also kind of like he not only like gave me the background and like helped me grasp this whole like crazy world this cosmic world of the eternals and celestials but he also was like listen the celestial like eternals like no one like i don't really like them he He's like, their origin story is cool. There's really not a lot there. And I went into this movie twofold.

One, it's, all right, like, there's probably going to be a couple Eternals things here and there. It's not going to be like the next Iron Man franchise or Spider-Man. We're going to have, like, a sequel every few years. But it's also, like, it's not going to have, like, it's not going to be these crazy far-reaching stories. It's just going to, they're going to play their role. It's almost going to be like, you're going to have to eat your vegetables. Like the vegetables are good.

Awesome. But like the, all the other stuff, I'm sure the, you know, Thor love and thunder and the guardians movies, those ones are probably a lot more fun than this one was. But like at the same point, I'm invested in the MCU. I'm invested in professionally now that I think about it as well, but I'm invested in it personally. Like I want to it as well. But I'm invested in it personally. I want to see this Silver

Surfer come. I want to see the Fantastic Four come. And I do think that to have this Marvel universe where space does play such a big role, you have to have... As they always say, you can't write the history of the NFL without Eli Manning because he beat the Patriots to one, two, three worlds.

I don't know if you can write the MCU without the Eternals and the Celestials and all these different beings. And if that's all part of this with a fucking, like you said, a kick-ass cast and a couple of cool parts along the way, fucking awesome. I really did like it. Again, didn't love it. I'm not

going to watch it probably when it comes out on Disney Plus or anything like that. But it was perfectly fine in my humble opinion. I would say a welcome entry to the MCU. It's not mind blowing. It's not the top tier of the MCU. You're not leaving the theater calling all your friends saying you have to see this movie. It's mind blowing. It's game changing, but you leave it and you go, all right, we're onto the next phase. Like, cool. This is what they set up. Cool. There's certain things where it's like, man, did they set up black Panther two in the middle of this movie? I think they did. Did they set up this future's certain things where it's like man did they set up black panther 2 in the middle of this movie i think they did did they set up this future series i think they did so it's like it's it's a good bridge into the future of bmcu the future cosmic

world like you said the space world the stuff that's going to get a little confusing this movie is going to make it a little less confusing because now we know the players we know their dynamic we can get right into spoilers if you haven seen the Eternals and you still care about it, I wouldn't listen to the rest of this podcast. I would go see it, and I would come back to this podcast. If you don't care or if you have seen the Eternals, strap in because we got a lot to talk about. Folks, I want to tell you about Bare Bottom Clothing.

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here's what happened. We'll react to it like that. I told Clem right before we went live if i tried to do that i think my brain would explode if i tried to like break down and explain every aspect of this movie so just the general story we know the eternals from last week we know the eternals were formed by the celestials to watch over earth the machine as they call it and keep this running so eventually a celestial would grow the movie begins we don't know that they just think that they're the guardians over as they call it, and keep this running. So eventually a celestial would grow. The movie begins. We don't know that. They just think that they're the guardians over earth. They protect them from deviance and don't interfere in anything else. They show us a bunch of historical elements through the years that really set up why the Eternals are in this

state they are modern day in the MCU, which is basically split up. They're kind of all doing their own thing. Kumail's over in hollywood in bollywood kingo my favorite character in the movie by far i went in a big kumail fan expecting to like him the most and he really was my favorite so i was happy about that richard madden as icarus comes back to cersei which again the game of thrones stuff the game of thrones composers doing this we got two people from game of thrones a character named cersei game of thrones all over the place in this movie all over the place comes back to cersei tells us the deviants are attacking we get to see one of them she's at this point with uh john snow himself kit harrington

dane whitman who will turn into the black knight eventually and the whole movie is a team getting back together you see them going to each member because ajax they find dead salma hayek the leader of the eternals i would say the the facer the the figure that is at the front at the beginning at least and they need to figure out how a deviant killed her and what whatnot the one thing about this movie that i kind of had to make a mental adjustment of while i was watching it i was expecting like all right the team's going to get back together and then the movie's going to start. The movie's going to kind of unfold from there. This isn't that. This is a movie about the team getting back together. So the entire movie is basically spent getting the Eternals back together. They go to Druig in the forest. That's a big sequence where,

you know, he kind of walked away because he realized I could save these people, but they're not letting me. So he's now controlling like a village of people in his own forest and they're just kind of working for him it's a story about this family this team getting back together by the time they do and realize the big twist of the celestials are really just planted them there for the other celestial to be grown and then they get their minds wiped and they go and do it again that hit for me the twist of Salma Hayek dying the beginning of the movie mind blown I thought she would be in the whole thing so I was surprised by that right away and then when you tell us it was Icarus and he heel turned it and that really hit for me I talked to Ken Jack I was just on lights camera Barstool this week you could go listen to it now we talked about Eternals last night Soho and he said he saw

a twist coming the second Salma Hayek was dead. And Richard Madden's like, must be a deviant. Did you see that coming? No, no, not, not at all. It, it like, I feel like whenever you have like, we got to get the band back together and it's a good guys. It does. Like looking back, I'm like, Oh yeah. Like there usually is like, and it's one of the guys you would least expect, right.

And he's the leader, but he's not the leader, you know? But the way it all played out not not in the least and you figure it would have been the people who discovered her in south dakota you wouldn't think it would have been one of them and obviously it was icarus so um yeah that was that was completely like a shock uh that i just and again this is me going into it with like the right expectations i think and i heard a lot of people saying like oh there's a lot of dialogue and people aren't going to like that the dialogue is either good or it's important to this like because again the mcu it's not like all right i'm gonna have a movie in six months we're gonna have a show

and then we're gonna have another show then we're gonna have a movie then three more shows like this is our this is part of our life it's like a fucking sports league that just doesn't end it's that this is all gonna be a very important part so i was like let's go in like it's basically like a comic book think of it this way i'm not like no one reads anymore and you said it perfect the thing about the shows is they allow you to give these arcs where you maybe not aren't going to do a full-blown movie on it or if you want to just have a little like what if thing and like a little niche thing that people can have fun with and hey maybe it plays a bigger role in the long term i just spent 11 to go to the movies the other night that was 11 dollar comic book it's an 11 graphic novel right i don't i don't have time

i barely have time to watch a movie for two hours let alone read a graphic novel or whatever for however long that takes i don't know because i don't have time to read but when i saw the text crawl in the beginning i'm like all right like let's let's pull up let's let's read some you know and i kind of liked how they were giving the history and the six singularities which had you know obviously the infinity stones and stuff like that and i was like this is just me taking in like i felt uh it was like the mature marvel movie i felt like it was yeah and i told you don't bring your daughter to this one i said no no no no no no yeah it is the more mature marvel movie And I could see why it's polarizing. I could see why maybe people don't like that element of it. But for me, like what's the one main complaint or knock against the MCU in the past few years?

People like to say that all of the movies are formulaic. It's basically the same movie with different characters plugged in. People like to say that. The Eternals breaks that mold completely this is i i said if you told me the eternals is not a marvel movie and it's not a dc movie and you took out like you know the references to the avengers and whatnot this could pass as a completely separate entity and i liked that about i liked that we are really going in different directions hawkeye is about to be a christmas show we're about to have these things that are so themselves they're so niche and and singular for

what they're going for that you can't say that anymore you can't say they all fit into the same box because try to put iron man in the eternals but it doesn't work you know it's just like a this is more serious this is more sci-fi elemental cosmic like you said and a little more adult there's a fucking sex scene we got the first sex scene in Marvel. Thrusting. Yeah. All that. And I try, I'm going to try not to make this weird right now, but if you're not going to give me

Cersei, who's, I mean, that woman is gorgeous. I'm sorry. Whoever she is, I don't know. I didn't know. Yeah. If you're not going to give me her, you're going to get my guy, Robb Stark. Let me see a little Robb Stark. Yeah. I am secure enough in my sexuality. I respect Robb Stark.

I respect Robb Stark, too. He's a hot dude. And he always ends up with the hot. Because, you know, his wife in Thrones, I mean, that is a 10 out of Talia, I believe her name was. Like, I had the biggest crush on her. So I had the biggest crush on her. I had the biggest crush on Cersei, which, again, the on her i had the biggest crush on cersei which again the game of thrones cross referencing was like making when he's like sissy i'm like wait you shouldn't be talking to cersei like you want her she's very bad we don't

like the stars no how great is it in the beginning like when he first confronts cersei and dane and like when they first come face to face the whole theater like it looked at each other like putting game of thrones game of thrones right here yeah it the whole theater, like it looks at each other like putting Game of Thrones, Game of Thrones right here. Yeah, it's like it's like the first time you saw like, you know, like the outsiders were in the WCW. You're like, oh, my God, except I guess WCW is closer to DC. Let's be honest in this scenario. But it's still like people, people. I said this and people were like, is that a knock on the movie?

It's not a knock on the movie because there are some DC movies that I like quite a bit. This felt to me a lot like a very good DCc movie sometimes more than it felt like a marvel movie the seriousness of it the scene with uh in the forest with druig which we talked a little bit about later it's a it's actually a reference they they made a little homage to a leonardo dicaprio movie in that sequence just everything was a little more muted than it normally is in the mcu there were a little less jokes in this felt like a good dc movie to me that is a great call how do you say that yeah it's like i could almost it's almost like it has a different like taste and smell as i'm thinking it over and it's like yeah you don't have the spider-man suit you don't have you know the x-men stuff it's like you have like this muted thing because i didn't know the eternals existed until the trailer

came out you know whenever it was a year or two i don't know everything found doesn't make sense anymore um and yeah and then the fact that it's not like you're living in the it's like let's be honest if everything took place in new york it would feel like a marvel movie because that's where everything fucking takes place this one you're going to mesopotamia you're going to bad one and that's the other thing like i said big history nerd would have been a history teacher except i was told history teachers don't pay well and now i work i'm a fucking blogger so it doesn't make a difference in terms of getting paid um i love this the fertile crescent bob the fertile crescent is an all-time great name shout out to whoever came up with that one and you know something is good when I'm going online and reading about history.

Let's be honest, I'm Wikipedia. Not like I'm going deep dive onto some like real website. But I was like, I was like, shit, man, Babylon looks so cool. I got to read a little bit about Babylon. And I just love seeing these like ancient empires where everything looked new. They're not in ruins. And it just, it looked actually like a lot of the stuff in ASOS in Thrones, you know, looks so cool and yet like modern at the same point.

And I don't know. I really dug the shit out of it. Then you see the – I don't know where that was where you said where Druig took over in South or Central America where the conquerors came in and they're just like fucking using the guns and shit like that. I don't know. That is like – that tickles my nerd bone right there that kind of stuff in the movie like when they're in the forest with druid and then

fina is kind of going crazy and uh what was it gilgamesh was that the name he has to like keep her he has to keep her sane basically and has to make sure she doesn't attack the team and then we're also working about worrying about icarus like it's a lot it's definitely a lot to take in but it worked for all my like nerd nerd bones and they hit my the nerd itch or whatever like it really worked in that sense and all the stuff you were talking about like visually this movie is stunning it's awesome from the flashbacks to even what the eternals were wearing their costumes were so well designed and the the spaciness of it they had a little like ashy feel but they also when they would make things out like when um fina would make her weapons the look and

design of that cgi was just the gold trim that was amazing so like visually i thought this was an awesome marvel movie like and as i mentioned the deviants one of my favorite looks that the marvel movies had. Now, I'll say this. When the Deviants started evolving and started talking, I didn't really like that. I was like, eh, I could have done it without that. It was a little like just another aspect of the movie that only muddied it a little. I could have rather them just been savages the whole movie.

Yeah, or where it got to the point where they were based they were really evolving but it was like a slow but steady process and then it's like we have like eternals versus eternals without you know suits on basically right but it felt like that that did feel a little half baked when it was all said and done i'm like that didn't hit the way i was expecting it to it and then at some point i thought he was against icarusus and then he's with Icarus. So I, that again, that fell a little flat for me as well. You could have kept him as Savages and have the Eternals beat him at some point. And then the rest of the movie is just about like, Oh my God, I can't believe we've been lied to all these years. Icarus turns on the team. Now we have to stop the Celestial like that.

You have more than enough to wrap up your big conclusion without the talking Skarsgård's deviant, whatever. Yeah, exactly. And again, or you just have like the big swinging dick who's just like evolving on his own but it just felt very quick the way it all went so yeah i'm with you on that a hundred percent and yeah like the the suit and i'm sure even like the i'm sure the music but everything like like was graphically stunning i always say the lcb guys i'm like ken jack probably knows like all the things they hit on that i'm like my dumb brain i was just like that looked pretty fucking cool so i you know my dumb brain liked it i imagine people actually know what they're talking about really just again

movie like i thought it was a good movie ken jack probably enjoyed it as a film like there's two different things that they submitted it for like awards right they like like this was a festival festival yeah it was the first marvel movie debut at a film festival and going back to the history thing i think my favorite parts of of like uh like my history classes like world war ii i think everyone loves like learning about world war ii which again you get the hiroshima thing and that like that's like holy shit you get to see like you know ground zero basically that but then i was also really big into like mythology i love learning about the greek the greek gods and then the roman gods and how they were you know a little bit it just kind of

was like updated versions of that because obviously all the shared history and and the people who you know lived right there and the fact that like athena and from olympia is the name of the planet and then it's like olympus you know mount olympus and shit like that again nerd bone was tickled icarus like you find out that sprite was the one who said risk burned his wings because he flew too close to the sun uh we get a little bit of camelot king arthur i mean and again and that's gonna hit a whole other thing so king arthur confirmed mcu uh the dc universe has been dropping superman lines alfred in terms of batman i'm like holy shit i think someone said

star wars was even referenced so there's a star wars book in this movie you see like the star wars logo we were like what the fuck so the turtles i mean it's not just you know phase four or any other kind in terms of characters and shit like we're just consuming they've just taken over they're like fuck it it's all real it's all part of the mcu so i thought this is at this movie there's some three chi this is some three chi level oh my god i can't wait till it's on disney plus i'm gonna eat a three chi brownie a sugar cookie a delta eight root beer taffy and then i'm in on it and then i'm gonna like i'm gonna feel like i have that little circle come out of my chest and be like oh here i go i'm talking to the celestials now um eventually the prime eternal is that what it's called yeah i'll be the prime eternal that

should be a strand that should be a strain prime that is a good strand the conclusion of the movie comes when they form the unimind as they were saying and by the way the way the team worked together so good i haven't seen superhero teamwork like that since end game or even the incredibles like the super speed uh the deaf girl who would like punch people a thousand times then kumail comes out of nowhere the finger guns and then icarus has like basically he's superman he's basically superman powers he's got the light beams he could fly all that awesome icarus eventually decides you know what i'm gonna give up i'm gonna stop trying to fight the eternals clearly what they're doing they're all together on this maybe i'm the one out and very So Icarus eventually decides, you know what? I'm going to give up. I'm going to stop trying to fight the Eternals.

Clearly what they're doing, they're all together on this. Maybe I'm the one out. And very on the nose, flies into the sun. What a fucking move that was. Just flies into the sun. Suicide by sun. I just, that's what I, like, I'm like, I did some notes during this. I'm like, suicide by sun is such like a, it's such like a, it's kind of a hard move let's be honest and it's like i i think i did this um it's like when i don't know if you ever did this but like i remember my parents if i yelled me i'd be like all right fine and i'd like

punish myself where i like put the soap in my mouth myself just to like take the power away it's like dude you don't have to go into the fucking sun but i guess he kind of had a little up to that that myth right it was fucking uh check off sun fucking sprite told it years earlier and here he is going to the sun i did see unbelievable i forget who was might have been chloe the director chloe xiao or it might have been kevin feige himself he said no eternal is truly dead and salma hayek said she signed on for multiple more movies so like we're gonna see some version of them in the future i think i don't think we've seen the last of rob stark icarus i don't think we've seen the last of uh ajak i i think they're gonna be back yeah i could see that too because again and then i know for a lot of people it was like oh they're not um these like everlasting beings they're actually robots and stuff like that.

I'm like, whatever. Trying to figure out who's what and who's not in the MCU. And now it's like shreds of robots. What's eternals? What's celestial? Like, holy fuck. This is breaking my brain. Parents fucking.

And then how is Thanos coming out? If his parents are eternals and then it's a good Thanos fuck. Or is that why he's adopting kids? How did his parents fucking make him with that little you know nutsack kind of shit and then they make harry styles what the fuck talk about careful bob don't be talking about big t like that boy that's big purple don't you slander my guy don't you slander my guy hey all right let's go we say it in the interview but say it with me now listen the earth would have been cooked there wouldn't have been ajak wouldn't have been

fucking sounding the alarms they wouldn't have been uniting because ajak wouldn't have fucking saw all humanity rise together and bring back everyone with a snap so ipso facto by transitive property i don't know if i'm using that correct thanos saved earth by doing the snap true or false true or false true it's true true it's true unfortunately the writer said it himself spoiler to the interview involved it's not just thanos if it was just thanos he wouldn't have saved the universe but with the help of other people captain america included yes sure thanos kind of saved the universe let's talk about the post-credit scenes as well because these were some of the most talked

about things of the movie like we mentioned harry styles in the first one he introduces himself to a couple of the eternals on their ship and he is starfox he's thanos's brother he has a little gnome sidekick the little dwarf guy and the cgi on him a little weirdome sidekick, the little dwarf guy. And the CGI on him, a little weird. Like that was the one part of the movie I was like, oh, he looks like a CGI creature. Yeah, everything else looked amazing. And he has swagger off the jump. You could see Harry Styles charisma come through in this 30-second appearance where they introduce him as the brother of Thanos. They say it twice.

They're like, brother of Thanos? Holy fuck. So you know it's a big moment meeting him. They play a great foreigner tune off the back guardians vibes up the up the ass and it was just it was cool it got a pop in the theater i got it spoiled for me this was the one thing that i got spoiled going into the movie oh yeah unfortunately as soon as some dickhead from variety left the film festival he tweeted harry styles joins the mcu in the post-credits scene, and then tried to defend himself, saying it wasn't a spoiler. It was like a scoop. He's like, that's just news. It's like, why don't you wait for the fucking movie to come out to put that news out, dude whitman he walks up to this chest he opens it up and

there's a sword in there the ebony blade and it kind of calls to him you hear this demonic stuff kind of like uh when ray like opens up the chest in a force awakens and the lightsaber kind of calls to her same vibes there and you hear a voice say like are you sure about that mr whitman immediately i was like whose voice was that the people next to me in the theater they said oh that was nick fury i was like idiots that wasn't nick fury it's the most recognizable voice in the world not him who was it mahershala ali as blade are you kidding me we got fucking blade and wrapped in this and i referenced black panther 2 before you gotta be a fool if you don't think the the celestial coming up through the earth is disrupting things with

atlantis and the submariner oh i didn't even think of that aspect that makes perfect that makes absolutely perfect sense where does that do they say where it takes place it might take place around where wakanda could be too because i know they had mentioned it i mean atlantis could be fucking huge and at this point it's like the hand is is there it's coming out yeah it's like part of the earth now it's just there's a there's a hand in the ocean yeah and i love it like if that just came and be like oh look at that crazy like we blog it be like what the fuck's going on down there aliens aliens people be like it's probably a little stunt yeah exactly um i i had no idea i was i was the first one like is that nick fury who the fuck is the guy to look I got home because I'm like I didn't see a voice coming out off the screen I didn't think about

Blade being involved so we got Blade we got vampires coming in um I also don't know much about the Black Knight who he's gonna become I guess that'll be a Jose thing we'll have to get him back that's a big Jose thing and um the Blade it like consumes you it makes you it's like called the Black Blade or something like that right and I think the ebony blade yeah ebony blade yes ebony blade and shout out my guy ebony maw and it kind of makes you like um like you're invincible basically it fucks it fucks people up all i know about it is it's like that lego mario yeah exactly and this was a thing that i hadn't noticed at first and then i was reading someone's uh talking about it she gives him the ring of his family name cersei and she do talk about camelot so i feel like there might be a little because i was my notes here is like yo john snow got

fucked in this movie he is worthless they just threw him on the poster and they throw him in the trailer like oh sweet john snow and i was like he does nothing turns out might be a much bigger piece which i'm very happy we're're going to have a kid Harrington. I'm going to call him Jon Snow. If his mama named him Snow, I'm going to call him Snow. I guess his uncle named him Snow in this case. Speaking of uncles having, first of all, I have a real problem. Eros is Thanos's brother's name and they call him Star Fox, right?

My old ass. I hear Star Fox. I think of Super Nintendo and the Nintendo 64 game. Do a barrel. Do a barrel. It's going to fuck me up. But if this guy, if Harry Styles can deliver, I'm all in. He could take the Star Fox name away. The music was like straight out of Guardians, like we had said. And I kind of like I really like they really they have they already said the team man once. I feel like we get a good amount of team man, like vibes.

If this, if we get Harry Styles in guardians, which would be like a perfect mix him and Pratt going back and forth, that would be awesome. And then like, I would love to see him be bit and I'm going to date myself here, but Rod Belding, who was Mr. Belding's brother. He's like the cool uncle. I want to see cool uncle Starbucks coming around and Nebula and Gamora. Like, Oh, he's like, how are my girls doing? I think that could be a lot of fucking

fun here. So like, I'm excited. And again, this is all part of Eternals hitting all these different parts. They have to build up the scale of the MCU and it's still going to touch a lot of favorite franchises. And like they mentioned Thor, which I thought was great too. They're like, oh, he's an Avenger now. Again, like it's tickled my MCU

nerd bone as well. There was so much stuff here to love. Also, speaking of Celestio, I think we have our new hashtag here for the episode. It goes two ways, though. Killing a baby Celestio. Because that's a little baby. Is that like killing baby Hitler?

Is that like going back in time and killing baby Hitler? Or are the Eternals baby killers? Hashtag Eternals are baby killers? killers i think that could work but that's a very problematic listen i said they did they're doing the right thing if you're saving me on earth i also liked the thing about like earth has to like humanity has to be good for the eternals to gain power like that's a cool little fold that jose was telling us about before the movie like as long as the people on earth and what we'll get into the interview, like the snap was huge for the eternals, like earth fighting back,

earth defending itself. That was a changing point for them. I feel like we can get it to the interview now, unless you have anything else on the, on the movie you wanted to touch on. Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh, that poor dude. He's the big dudeh that poor dude he's the big dude he's strong he's like really funny and nice being locked in the friend zone with Angelina Jolie for like thousands of years has to be like it's it's like a Greek tragedy in itself that might be like a real like the Greek tragedy Gilgamesh like Jolie just stunning and it was kind of cool like I was really

I was I was watching a YouTube and they said like maybe the the deaf part of it and then her having the uh what did they call it when she had like her eyes started going she had like the everyone's gonna die they called it like i forget what they called it because i saw a little before yeah it was like med wearing or i don't anyway i people said it could just be like when you keep hitting the reset button on these robots sooner or later like it's it's not gonna work as well as you keep you know resetting your phone or your computer shit's going to stop working as well so i like that pat oswald is pip right yeah that was confirmed okay yep um and oh three questions two okay three questions for you bob one do you know the eternals by their names yet? Or is it Jon Snow?

Is it Salma Hayek? Is it Jolie? I know about half of them by their names. I would say I'm at like 50%. Yes, me too. I'm at, like, it's weird. Angelina Jolie, who obviously I know Angelina Jolie, but she's Thena.

Like, I'm like, that's Thena. It's also like the ones, the easy names to remember that you already knew from like Greek mythology. Icarus, I know Icarus. I know Circe because the name, and I'm in love with her. It's easy because it's a drink and a little kid. Yes, exactly.

I kind of was like, I didn't really love Sprite. I was like, all right, Sprite, I think she played the role very well. I think Sprite's supposed to be a little bit of a pain in the ass, yeah. I think with her going back and forth, her being in love with Icarus, but she's like, it can't work because I'm a kid. kid that was just a little weird i didn't need to hear any of that agree when we especially we saw her like become like this older woman at the bar earlier it's like just do the like do the mystique just like someone else like you're not actually you don't just because you look like them yeah yeah you're like 11 you're 11 million yeah exactly um and

then like yeah like then it's like oh guy with the strong hand and you know it is still kind of Dinesh uh but okay so that that means they did an all right job before calling by their names next your favorite Eternal Kingo definitely Kingo yeah and you said it you love Kingo you loved like his uh the dynamic with like the guy who's cameraman is ballet or his ballet and i loved i like i said when i first saw him i was like oh i'm gonna hate this then i liked it and then by the end i loved it i'd love to just kept pulling cameras out like you guys it's like the peter griffin with the knee jump like i mean the funniest line in the movie for me i think was when kumail gets like puked on

or he gets all the goo on him and he's like did you get that and you just hear his ballet from the distance like yes i did sir he's like yes yeah exactly um i'd like to like the the guy who changed uh drewig drewig was cool yeah uh he was cool the actor had like a little bit of like a fuck you to him so it's like i don't like this guy but by the end like i i dug i dug all their powers i like the guy who was able to invent shit and he was doing the steam engine. I guess my favorite Eternal, I kind of like the idea that even though Icarus was the quote-unquote so badass, I kind of liked Athena

could just, she was the closest thing to his rival. I killed the at the end there. And then last one, we got to do it. If the Eternals was a fast food item, this is our, you know, instead of one to 10, this is our review here. This is how we're going to leave it here. So you got to think of something that the Eternals is in terms of a fast food item

for the review. You want me to go? I'll go first. You'll go first. Yeah, I'll go first. Okay. So I was going to go with this and I think it's a little bit of a risky thing to go with here um i'm really thinking this is a hard one the other ones i felt like i would have something come to mind like immediately and this one i'm trying to think of a fast food item that i liked that i know not everyone likes that i know it's like kind of my taste yeah it still hits you know like I'm kind of thinking and this might be giving it too much credit for some people they'll say you're giving the Eternals too much credit first thing comes to mind is uh Burger King onion rings because I love the Burger King onion rings I'll get them with every order I'm like oh yeah but some people like

onion rings what the are you talking about so I got I get how it's polarizing. But for me, I really like Burger King onion rings. Okay. I can dig that. I'm going with the same kind of logic with mine. Except I think it's pretty much beloved. I wouldn't say Eternals is beloved. I do think it's more liked than the general critics are giving credit for. Yeah, fans definitely like the Eternals critics. 100%. 100%. liked than the general critics would give it credit for. I'm going with the Frosty. 100%.

I'm going with the Frosty at Wendy's because it's like you just put it on the side. It's important because it ties the whole meal together. It gives you a little dessert afterwards. You can even have it as a drink if you don't have money for a drink. You kind of just sip on it, whatever you want to do, but it ties

the meal together. I think it's going to tie the MCU together. That's a good one. You cannot have that as the meal. Just so you can't have the onion rings as the meal. If you do that, you deserve to be like, you should be taken away from frosties and onion rings as a meal. And that's coming from a junk food connoisseur.

I still, you still can't do that. So, okay. I dig that. I think we hit that as good as you can hit it because I think that that sums up the essence of do that. So, okay, I dig that. I think we hit that as good as you can hit it because I think that sums up the essence of this movie. So, Burger King, onion rings. And just like with the Burger King onion rings, you might be eating some fries one day. You might be like, you know, eating your Thor fries

or your Guardians fries. You're like, oh, I got an Eternal in here. I got a little onion ring. It's so nice to get that old onion ring. You'll be excited about it. Yeah, you'll definitely. Coming out of this movie, that's another thing I think it did so well is I want to see more of the eternals i want to see them

do different stuff i want to see past the origin so they did a good job of establishing likable characters in that way or at least engaging characters even the ones that weren't likable were engaging oh man if there's like yeah if you're watching guardians and all of a sudden all like the people start walking away like what the fuck oh droid's here look at that's my onion ring there you go so all right I think I think we came to a good conclusion to this movie that's comment below give us your fast food item and make sure you like the video subscribe do all that stuff because Hawkeye is coming up we're gonna be doing weekly Hawkeye reviews and then we're back that's like my mom's basement back in full swing and I can't wait for that it's been even with what if like that was an animated show so it was awesome but now we're like

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the writers of The Eternals, Kaz and Ryan Furpo. Guys, how are you? We're thrilled to be here, Robbie. Thanks for having us, man. It's a lot of fun. It's been a great weekend. It's a crazy movie. We hope people go see it on the biggest possible screen. It's one of those kinds of stories that we hope you go, and it blows your mind a little bit. Now, you just told us off- about or off recording about an amazing story. You just took your grandmother to see this movie.

And what was the last movie she saw in theaters? That is correct. I took my 95-year-old grandma to see a movie in theaters with the whole family. And I was talking to her about it before we went in. And I was trying to figure out, when was the last time you saw a movie in the theaters? And she told me it was Star Wars. And I said, which one? And she's like, I think there's only one. So the last time she saw a movie was probably 1979 Star Wars A New Hope.

So it's only been about 42 years, which feels right to go from Star Wars in theaters to Eternals. But it was a great story. It was a great moment. I didn't even realize it myself. If she says she likes it more than Star Wars, it's like, well, my baby made it. So you're good no matter what. It's a high bar to clear, though. You're going to Star Wars. The original., well, my baby made it. So it's like, you're good no matter what. It's a high bar to clear, though.

The original. The original in London. The opening of Eternals is kind of like an homage to A New Hope. So I wonder if she's sitting there being like, is this how all movies start? They just start with a spaceship? I didn't even realize that was an homage, but looking back,

like, of course it is like the giant spaceship coming out of nowhere. And you're like, Oh my God, over your head. Yeah, exactly. 2001, uh, English patient, like there's even some homages to Lawrence of Arabia. Like there's a lot of, there's a lot of weird stuff in there. We had to dig hard. How did you guys get attached to this movie in the first place? Like how does this connection happen and you get involved in the MCU? Well, yeah, so we were cousins, first of all, and we grew up in the Bay Area, nearby each other. So we kind of knew each other. I mean, we hung out a lot growing up. And we both early on were gravitated towards art and, you know, drawing, storytelling, writing, all these things, and that kind of eventually evolved into filmmaking and so we had like this kind of unofficial collaboration for many many years

um where we just would like share stories together share films like make little short films together and then um after we had both kind of like established ourselves um as career filmmakers and had had some success Kaz and commercials me in documentaries. Kaz actually approached me and said, hey, we've been kind of sharing stuff all these years, had this unofficial collaboration, let's do something together for real. And let's write a script that we can go make for like a million bucks, like in Eastern Europe somewhere. And so we wrote this script called Ruin, which was our first official collaboration. And that script, it was, there's, you know, through a roundabout way, it got out into Hollywood, and just really caught fire, and kind of led to the launch of our career. And through that script, we had all these kind of general meetings that, and just kind of met

everyone all over town. And one of those meetings was with Nate Moore at Marvel. And we had a really good, good meeting with him and just talked all about phase four and what it could be. And it was very, like general, but we really clicked. And so we didn't really hear from him for like eight months and then in that time we sold another script netflix and then our script ruined won the blacklist and then so shortly after that uh the following year we got a call from nate and said hey i got this crazy project love to talk to you about and we went in and it was eternals and ran right from the beginning when we heard about it because we had never heard and right from the beginning when we heard about it because we had never heard of the Eternals before when we heard about the what it what it was though

we just knew that there was so much crossover between all the stuff that we were interested in and the type of stories we want to tell that we just had to make that movie and it just became our kind of like quest our holy grail uh prize that we that we went after and uh you know fortunately we won it yeah and to that end i would just kind of add like ryan and i both came at filmmaking from like really different angles like i went straight into like film school film brat like knew i wanted to do it like and ryan basically dropped out of film school made a feature film with like 5 000 bucks with his friends like skating in san francisco so it was like two sides of the same coin method

like literally yes exactly we got all the contacts in both sides of that it was like two sides of the same coin. Like the Kevin Smith method. Like literally. Yes, exactly. We literally got all the contacts in both sides of that universe, which was a lot of fun, you know, and they both paid off. And really like when you talk about the roundabout way, it's like it couldn't be more roundabout. We had like no family in Hollywood, like no uncle we could call up and be like,

get me the internship. It was just like, we literally wrote a script. It was basically a mom's basement in his dad's cabin in the woods, like straight up. We went to this cabin in the woods with no power like just wrote this movie for two and a half weeks never left like literally did not leave for two weeks so we came back yeah please no i was just gonna say so did you write the eternals part he did the deviance part like i'm trying to like think of this yeah how do you collaborate how do two humans write a script

together no man i mean really we it's we both approach story in really similar but really different ways. I like to look at the world and mythology, and Ryan really looks at the character. But through that, we've both kind of learned how to be better at the things that are our weaknesses and our strengths. So you write so much of writing a script. I always say this. It's like imagine doing a 1, a 1000 piece puzzle in your imagination just in your mind yeah like okay you got the corners you got to get the edges right and you're just trying to keep track of like how this works together so when you do that you start to like

make a road map and so ryan knows like well this scene connects to this scene which is going to connect to this scene and he'll might be working on like the second act break while i'm working on the third act and then he'll come and rewrite my scenes and I'll rewrite his scenes. And it just, that's literally the process. It's just, you don't stop rewriting a movie until it's done. The simplest metaphor for how it all works can be found in the movie itself,

which is the unimind. We just basically sit down, do a little meditation and just mind merge. And, and, and then the magic comes out. That's awesome. And you guys said how you guys had,

you know, storytelling and art growing up. Was there, were you guys said how you guys had, you know, storytelling and art growing up. Were you guys, did you guys get into comic books as kids? Was there a certain comic book or, you know, a hero or a group, a team that you were into? Or was it just kind of like, you know, catch some stuff in the movies, TV shows, anything like that? The trading cards, apparently the comic trading cards

are a consistent thing for like guys like me who grew up in the 90s. So did you guys have any comic book franchise you you like growing up i yeah sorry grab well i was just gonna say like i took i grew up in the woods like where i am right now like literally like dirt road like country like you usually pee outside because it's just easier so for me it was like literally you would like make your own lightsabers and then just go make up stories you know so it was star wars for me was like a life-changing thing you know, I used to play, I think everyone had like action figures, action figures. Are they still big? Like, do people still play with action figures? I just don't know. Because they were so big when I was growing up. I think it's more like adults that collect them than kids that play with them.

That's, that's, thank you, Robbie. That's how I feel about it. It just feels like I had so many of these things as a kid. And that was really like, I have to say that was a lot of what like Eternals, writing Eternals was like. We had these cards that we made for each character. I mean, there's ten main characters. And so this way we could physically move the cards around when we're designing set pieces and setting up action scenes. We'd be like, okay, so Makkari's here. And we'd literally use the cards and act out the set pieces for physically where they went. And that was the same shit that I was doing when I was nine years old in my, you know, my mom's basement, literally like playing around being like, I got these toys. And then you'd kind of make action movies by yourself, like in your room. And then I got, I literally

got a camera, my dad's like little still camera. And I would start making stop motion videos. That's really how it started. I was like nine years old. So I'd use these like X, I literally had a Wolverine action figure. So if you want to ask me, let's be literal it's x-men x-men was like really pivotal i got that's my my x my wolverine figure was like prized possession i probably still have it somewhere and like that would he would always be the star of the little action movies i made in my room and that you know those same like that imagination you develop when you're nine years old i mean like i have to say even when you're making movies in Hollywood, it's the same thing, just like the different scale, you know?

I love to hear you say that because I also used to make stop motion movies with little Legos. I would like make little Star Wars Lego stop motion movies. It was like my favorite thing. I literally have those movies. I still have them somewhere.

There's like a kit, right? You could buy like a kit that even came with like a little webcam that you could use. Yeah. And some software. Yeah. One of the things that i love the most about the eternals is it feels like this universe and um not obviously the mcu we've known for 10 years now but the universe of the eternals and the celestials feels lived in it feels like this has existed in the shadows for so long and one of my favorite aspects of it is them reacting to

moments in history, like Hiroshima, some like dark, deep moments. Did you guys always know which moments in history you were going to hit? Or were there other ones that you were thinking about putting in there? Because those were some of my favorite scenes in the movie. I really appreciate that. I'll just say briefly, like I was a classics minor in school. Like when I went to film school, I also studied like greek and roman literature like i went and worked on an archaeological dig in egypt for four months in my senior year of college and so any of those like there's so much that we tried to bring like i mean there's not an accident that the domo is a pyramid you know i mean like that's the type of thing that it comes people see it throughout history maybe it inspired the pyramids like i don't know i don't

make up the ancient alien rules but we just wanted to play very much with that sense of reality because the truth is every, you know, culture throughout history has dealt with these stories of super powered beings, gods, heroes, myths. These stories exist in every culture and we've been telling the same ones for 2000 years. You know, the MCU for me is an extension of those same hero myths. And so getting to tap into that with Eternals, it's like, well, what if there were these superheroes,

these alien gods that inspired every single hero that like Gilgamesh and Babylon inspired Athena and ancient Greece, like all these heroes are real and they were our MCU characters. So yeah, from the beginning, Nate and Kevin over at Marvel were like, let's go places that audiences have never seen before in cinema. And so Ron and I, from the beginning, we just sort of built this list of like, where are these amazing, visual, stunning places that we've never seen before? And really, we like picked these seven places and, you know, we pretty much went to every single one of them. I can tell you one of our great regrets in the editing room was there's actually an amazing scene.

Maybe they'll release it on Disney+. That's an extended version of the India sequence in Gupta, India. And it was like a tragedy to cut that, but it was just like the movie was like four hours long at one point. So you got to make choices. I mean, I'd love to see the four-hour version. Release the Furpo cut. Thank you. Please get that trending. We need that, guys.

No, we're really proud of the movie as it is. You know, it's a lot. It's a big and ambitious and challenging film,, we're really proud of the movie as it is. You know, it's a lot. It's a big and ambitious and challenging film, and we're really proud that it's something different. And I think audiences are really embracing that craziness, which I think the world needs a little bit more, like, cosmic craziness. But, yeah, Ryan, and really from the beginning, that Hiroshima scene, that Hiroshima scene was, like, a battle to include,

but I thought it was really interesting and powerful, and I think think you know only chloe could have pulled something like that off yeah definitely it adds like a layer of depth to the whole movie it adds like a obviously like a layer of sadness to it and you could see why someone like that and eternal would want to walk away from that yeah just the idea of um the impact that ancient aliens had on uh uh on humanity over time um you know like what that's one of the impact that ancient aliens had on humanity over time. You know, like that's one of the things that excited us most about the property.

Cause for me, one of my favorite movies of all time is 2001, A Space Odyssey, which is really kind of exploring the evolution of human intelligence, you know, and it posits this idea that there was essentially an alien life form and this obelisk that came and gave us intelligence. And so this was kind of our chance to sort of do a,

sort of a 2001, but through the lens of a superhero movie, which I thought was like super interesting from the beginning. So yeah, I really applaud Marvel for kind of taking these big swings and, and just going with some, going for some real gonzo ideas. Yeah. You guys had said how you had like a, you know, mythology and all these different stories told throughout time. You guys had two characters, you know, independent of the Eternals on set every single time in Kit Harington and Richard Madden. And I just got to know, did they say, listen, guys, you can call me in this. I've been buying Robb Stark's stock since season two of Game of Thrones and all that kind of stuff. Did you guys

pick their brains about Game of Thrones at all or did anyone else come? Because I'm telling you, clearly I'm not nearly as... I'm not polished at all when it comes to anything in life basically, but I would have just one night on set where I'd be like, guys, I just got to ask, the Red Wedding, what was that like? Or I'd wait until Kit

has a few in him. I'd be like, Kit, what did you really think about the final season of game of thrones was there any kind of geeking out by anyone on set in terms of uh you know a couple of uh famous starks on true legends no from the beginning we literally said to like we had this idea where like you know that's a that's a reunion i think the entire world wants to see and to their great marvel's great credit you know they made that that happen, which is just so awesome. I think Richard did a fantastic job on the movie, but most importantly, like, they're just like great guys. Like, Kit Harington is

like literally the nicest dude. Like, he's everything you want Jon Snow to be in real life. Like, that's really, that's Kit. He's not like putting on a show, you know. We got the pleasure of spending some of the press week in Rome together and in London and it's just like, he's just like a nice dude dude I'm pretty sure he like filmed a video for Ryan's friend who's like a big fan of Jon Snow and it's just like he's just willing to do that stuff so we didn't get to

get the true dish uh on season eight although we are huge Game of Thrones fans and that was always like you know what show is so epic and so big and has these battle scenes I'm pretty sure Chloe was straight up watching episodes of that, you know, while we were prepping just to figure out like how to stage some of this stuff. They do history so well. And I will tell you,

we're all very excited for what Kit gets to do next, which we can't tell you. Oh, that's a tease. That's a tease. Well, there's a, literally there's a sniper out here.

He's got like this Marvel hat on. I think it's, yeah, he's going to get me if I don't. He's listening in. So that's the other question I just have to ask. Bob, you know I got to ask this question, and I know the hat man has this thing. You talked about how you had the little cards and you're playing the stories out.

I have a theory. We've talked – our guy Michael Waldron, we've talked to different people associated with the MCU over time. I am convinced that there is a whiteboard in Feige's office. His office is probably like the floor of an entire giant Disney complex or something. And there's just this whiteboard. And it's, you know, from, from part one of this new phase to the end of like 10 phases from now, can you confirm? Yeah. 2042 is where it goes. Can you confirm or deny just if there is a whiteboard and just how much of

this Eternals movie is connected? Like, I feel like you guys probably like the purple color where they write in the marker and they kind of connects everything. I feel like this movie is so important to this entire phase and the future phases

where we're going to space, where we're having some weird, funky stuff with, you know, your Celestials, maybe Galactus coming in at some point, King the Conqueror, all that kind of stuff.

I think we might have got something out of there right here is there a whiteboard how big is it there is this is but this is all i will ever say is like as far as we know as just mere peasants in the mc universe you know there is no master plan because the master plan is the people you know like kevin feige and nate moore and all the producers and victoria alonzo like those people like they've got this some master plan in their heads but what they're really doing is they're trusting their artists and their creatives to like when we like to say this like they're always saying like here's the cup like the mcu is this like beautiful glass and they're like you can add whatever you want to the glass as long as it doesn't affect what's already

there you know so they're willing to just keep growing it and trying these different things. And then finding that connective tissue. I mean, Michael Waldron, he's the raddest dude and you know what he did with Loki and what that's going with Dr. Strange. I mean, I think he's going to be like, I don't think he's instrumental in this whole phase and where it's going. And I can tell you, it's like the joy of it is it's a process of like, let the best idea win you know and everyone who's is so fluent we're also we've all seen all the movies we all love the characters and we all were like where can this go you know i want to see the disney plus eternals prequel where it's like kumail gets a whole episode in like 1920s india where he's like bollywood dealing

with like gandhi and like the whole revolution i want to see like angelina jolie's episode in ancient greece the whole thing takes place in like athens you know in the first century so that all connects into like the galaxy the cosmos you know that was something we talked about from the beginning is like we love guardian james gunn what he did with guardians like my fate one of my favorite box sheets of the mcu and also like r.i.p the guardians after uh volume three you know like we're gonna have to say goodbye to some of these characters we really love. And so Eternals was this chance to like go all the way back and then go all the way forward, you know?

And number two, we might go off into deep space, into the cosmos. We might meet some multiverse characters. Like we can really, the door's open now that we are fighting space gods. So that was really what Eternals was a chance to do is explore like the furthest reaches and sort of the weirdest reaches of the marvel cinematic universe that was a great answer i'm

also just gonna say that we're gonna we'll attribute that to the sniper outside the window you're not conforming or denying the whiteboard the great the great whiteboard i can just the only thing i can say for sure is that kevin works saturdays like every saturday oh wow he's there like we will because when we're in like crunch week and we're like crunching pages and Ryan and I, you know, I'll have him tell you about like the Black Widow room, which is like a literal Windows room that you have a key card. You're like, boop, boop. And there's no cleaner.

So if you spill like grape nut cereal, which like got us through the writing of this movie, you will literally that pile of grape nut cereal will not leave the ground for nine months until you get on your knees under the table and scoop it up because no one goes in those rooms except for Kevin, Nate and us. And so, yeah, we would literally be out there on a Saturday at like three in the afternoon, like grinding and Kevin would be like, Hey guys. And then just like laundered it was obvious.

So I don't know what he's doing other than just working hard. And I just have to add this Rob. I know you got a question, but I had a, just cause you had mentioned the guardians and that's my favorite um my mine and my family's like but my daughter she's seven years old and we kind of like she got into guardians one and two and you kind of see a little your family in it and i absolutely love it and that post-credits scene or excuse me mid-credits i always like to make sure i get the right order there the mid-credits scene i wrote in the notes robbie and i haven't even gotten to like do our recap of the movie yet. And I wrote, this feels like guardians. And I don't know if that was done on purpose or if, but if the music and kind of, it was,

you gave me goosebumps. I got goosebumps talking about it. So I just want to say thank you for that. And was there a little bit of guardians? Cause I do feel like the eternals world and the guardians world does overlap because we're in this, you know, great beyond in space. I'll let Ryan take that one, but yeah. I mean, yeah, I think that there's some overlap in the story, but just in terms of the tone of what you're talking about, I think that, you know, the MCU has its own kind of language, you know, and its own feel and its own vibe

for the different aspects of it. And I think, and James Gunn did a great job kind of setting the tone for the kind of galactic vibe, arm of the MCU. And Taika kind of played off of that too. And so this is such kind of like entering that world. So I think that's why you get this kind of vibe because it's adopting that kind of language

as they go out into that neighborhood, we'll say, of the MCU. That's a great way to put it too. Cause I used to, I tell this to Robbie all the time. My eyes used to glaze over when I'd read the comic books and they'd enter space, and I'd always be like, how are they breathing out there? I could never just enjoy the art for what it was.

And the way that, I guess, like you said, James did in Taika, and then you guys kind of took that language and have now added your own little Rosetta Stone, threw that Rosetta Stone, and have made it just bravo. And again, something so big as the Celestials and trying to figure out how big and massive and powerful they are. And then even the Eternals is something that I don't think it's easy to do for just, you know, a couple of morons like me going to the movie theater and, you know, us being

able to like digest all that out. So just great work on that. Dude, we appreciate that. I mean, the best way I can sum it up is like, look at the, you know, the Ravager ship and like what their spaceships look like, what James Gunn's doing with that. And then just look at like the Domo, the eternal spaceship.

It's like wedge, this triangular pyramid that's like this sacred tome of power. I feel like that's the best way to describe it. Like that's where we're going to go in the MCU or into the cosmos, you know, and then play a little jazz on what james did and all the work that he the incredible world building that he did that's one of the great pleasures of just being a part of that universe is that you're really playing in the sandbox you know and you're playing with the toys that james gunn

left behind when he left you know to go to the suicide squad and so yeah we're fans too but most importantly you know we're storytellers and so for us, we're just trying to make sure that people get something special out of the stories that we tell. Awesome. For each of you, what is the most personal or your favorite scene in The Eternals? Why don't you go first, Kaz? I have an answer.

The thing is, Ryan has a lot of them, I'm sure, because he wrote a lot of those characters. For me, my favorite sequence, like, just, this is not a spoiler sequence, I don I don't think like it's really a Druig's challenge like first of all Barry Kogan like absolutely killed the movie like Druig runs away with it I feel like I feel like people are totally standing this relationship between like Druig and Macari which was like a little afterthought and they just like ate it up you know they ate it up on the screen and so Druig's whole arc from essentially to Nostala the fall fall of tinochle on like the 1500s to like modern day

amazon like that whole sequence just flies and it's really because the conflict of these characters is so real it's suddenly so like valid like if you could save the world and someone told you not to you know that would tear you up inside it would destroy you it's like saying like hey you can save your children from dying but you just, but you're not allowed to like, that's just, it's, it's enough to drive anyone mad, you know? And I think that that's very relatable. It's also very complicated. And it's sort of the first chance that I feel like we've been able to tackle big, like existential questions in the MCU where it's like, if you were a God, but you couldn't help your children children, what would you do? What would that happen?

And I think that just the jump scares, those fight scenes, it's some of our proudest action and really, I'm sure people will spot the reference when they see the movie, but the Revenant, we pulled a whole bit out of the Revenant in there where he's just, you know, Icarus is getting, like I said, I don't know if everyone's seen the movie

when they listen to this, but there's just a lot. I'm glad you said that because seeing it on top of it, I was like, man, this is like fucking Leo and the Revenant. It's just really intense. That was the big mission, right? Our mission is always to say, can you make somebody feel, rather than just be like, action's fun to watch, but you really want to make somebody feel that stuff

when these things could kill it, Chris. These deviants really are deadly. And credit to the VFX team too because they made them look terrifying. Terrifying. like these things could kill it chris you know these these deviants really are deadly um and i think that whole vfx team too because they made them look terrifying terrifying yeah the scariest things i've ever seen in the mcu like yeah yeah they did they just also we can this is like the only way i can thank a pandemic but you know we had an extra few months because of our delay to really nail that stuff and they just went above and beyond. Yeah. I mean, for me, I really loved, uh,

basically the Bollywood sequence that leads to that sets up Kingo's character in the present day. I mean, that was an idea that we had really early on and I feel like there's just kind of a lot of myself in Kingo because I'm somebody that also just sort of, uh, in times of crisis or stress will kind of resort to comedy as a sort of defense mechanism. And I think that's, that's, that's a layer to Kingo's character that maybe not everybody, um, is picking up on that, you know, he's obviously the comic relief, but it's coming from a place of vulnerability and insecurity and fear really. Um, so, so the Kingo character,

um, and Kumail's performance, it's some, that's some of my favorite stuff in the movie. Kumail and Kingo, the character was my favorite part personally. I'm such a big fan of his as an actor his whole career. So I was very excited to see him. I was like, I hope Kingo is going to be my favorite character. And he wound up being my favorite character. I love the whole secret of the cameraman and the assistant. Oh, it's so funny.

A little fun fact, which we will tell you because it's just how it went down. We literally basically pitched from the jump. We were like, we love Kumail. We love everything he's pretty much done, specifically Silicon Valley and just what he's up to. We basically pitched the producers right from the beginning like, this has got to be Kumail. They were like, it can't be because

he's got a role in Guardians of the Galaxy 3. James Gunn has already written him into it, so he can't do Eternals. We were like, it's such a bummer because who else could it be so perfect? And then, as you may know, Guardians had its own little kerfuffle and the movie got delayed like a year

and a half and then a pandemic happened and basically I don't know what that role was going to be, but I really think that it couldn't have gone better for him because he basically freed up, his schedule freed up, and then Marvel's like, yeah, you know, actually I think we could, we could probably go out to him and then the rest is history i mean he just got like leading man ripped and he's also just hysterical so i think that now it's crazy yeah yeah yeah he could

he maintained it you know he still still looks great yeah yeah so that was one of those like accident like this is a genuine happy accident we were actually at marvel when all that stuff went down with guardian so it was like a crazy week. But that was one of those like happy accidents that I wonder to this day, what would have happened if he had done Guardians 3 instead of Eternals? Yeah. Yeah. That's out.

It's literally because of a tweet, like because of one tweet, like that Kingo's now in this movie or other two males now is Kingo, the legendary, you know, like he's like, I would say he's one of the breakouts, you know, he really, people really love him. one of the breakouts you know he people really love him my grandma

was like I loved him what was his name I'm like oh his name's Kumail Nanjiani she's like he's great you know so if 95 year olds like him and kids like him I think he won we got you guys on you guys wrote this brilliant movie I gotta say we heard Ajax

say it you know how the you know she was in the mission and she was ready to see it to the end. And then this big purple man came into our world and he snapped away half the universe. And it changed her perspective, seeing the way humans, you know, got together, did whatever they could do, snap them back. Is it fair to say that Thanos saved Earth? Is that a fair statement to make? As a Thanos defender here on the podcast, I feel like the big purple guy might have been the reason that

Earth lives to see another day in the MCU. Ryan's also a Thanos defender, so it's really funny. I feel like you guys have a lot to talk about. Ryan has got all kinds of feelings about the big purple man. I'll stick with you guys. Yeah, you and me. I'm out on panels just no bullshit yeah no it was it was really that like you know the the question we always

led up to was you know the modern day the atomic age sort of the rise of superheroes and we really said like that was the moment when when earth started to defend itself that was the moment when the eternal sort of looked at each other and said like this whatever is happening here is one of a kind you know this earth this planet this timeline this era like it's not like the others it's not you know and that's what that was really the moment i made it worth saving so i personally maybe would argue it was cap it was cap that made the once cap came of age and sort of became the first avenger, that was when the Eternals started to take notice. But this is my own theory. It's not a theory.

Yeah, I think Cap, you're right. And I think that some people might say it was your point. I think the answer is like both, because the truth is that spiritually, what Cas is saying is true, because also there's like a subtextual layer too in the idea of evolution, whether it's good or bad because in the movie and i guess we're just talking uh spoiler are we spoilering or how do we

we're at the end of the interview so if you haven't seen eternals at this point turn this interview off go see eternals come back to it well yeah so so as erishim says you know he originally created the deviants and then the evolution is what they evolved to become apex predators and started basically eating the very life forms that they're meant to protect. And, and then, so he made the eternals,

he designed them to not evolve so that they would just essentially stay static. And so then, so then, but then when you see humanity, you watch how humanity has evolved over time throughout the movie and, and with cap and with the atomic age and with the, the birth of superheroes, you see the, you watch how humanity has evolved over time throughout the movie. And with Cap and with the atomic age and with the birth of superheroes, you see the good in humanity evolving us to a higher place, to a better place. And so spiritually, then that's what Ajak is

picking up on. But then literally, as things went down, if Thanos hadn't done that, then I don't think she would have had that change of heart. So think the answer is basically it's a little bit of both all right it's a great answer we each got a little this has been a blast we loved eternals both of us were excited to talk about excited to recap it together um everyone go see it if you haven't seen eternals yet you're gonna love it if you're an mcu fan especially if you're like a sci-fi nerd. This one was like half superhero, half sci-fi for me. It just hit on all the levels it needed to. Thank you so much for joining us and talking about it. And we will see you guys whenever your next project is.

I promise you, I'll buy tickets to it. I'll be there. Thank you so much. Robbie, this is a pleasure, man. You guys get it.