My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 168 - EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT HAWKEYE (WITH JOSE YOUNGS)

Episode Date: November 22, 2021

Jose Youngs joins the Basement Boyz once again to break down the comic book run that Marvel Studios' 'HAWKEYE' will mostly be based on! 3Chi: Use code MMB at checkout to receive 5% off at 3Chi.com Bearbottom Clothing: Use code BASEMENT at BarebottomClothing.com for $5 off your first order Liquid Death: Get FREE SHIPPING on all water/merch at LiquidDeath.com/momsbasement **************************************** My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike! Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. All right, welcome back to My Mom's Basement. By high demand, we have Jose Youngs back on the podcast. People were like, we gotta get him back on the pod. The legend himself, he's here, the comic book encyclopedia ahead of Hawkeye. It debuts this Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving, and we need some education on what this show is going to be based off of. I believe it's the Matt Fraction run. Who better to join me and Clem than Jose?

Jose, how we doing? What's up, guys? I'm real glad we're doing Hawkeye this time because as I think I alluded to the last time, because it seems so long ago that was pre-abu dhabi flight and i just oh yeah the matt fracture run fucking rules so i'm very happy that we can chat about this professor youngs i just got to thank you i'm going to thank you on behalf of all the listeners in the basement here who hit us up on twitter or you know email in person and was like that guy saved the turtles

for me because i would have hated it i would have no clue what's going on or i just would just be still in the theater just like what the fuck just happened you laid the groundwork perfectly so thank you from the bottom of our hearts for making that a much more enjoyable experience and i'm glad man i i it it's it's hard to say because i don't really go into movies like the most because i've seen like so few mcu movies i don't want to just like shit on what people like or dislike it was exactly what i thought it was going to be it was uh it was a trampoline to like this next phase so i i went in with that expectation and that's what i got so that is it wasn't good or bad it is exactly what i thought i said i think i said it on

the show like the eternals is i've never suggested to read the eternals nor will i i think you guys said it like i think clem you said like this isn't a movie you're probably gonna go back and watch when like you're going through and that's pretty much what the eternals comic book is like you use it to leapfrog into another story or they're like a, like a supporting cast. And that's what this movie was. I'm real glad we got to see the Celestials. They look cool. I'm real glad we got to see,

I'm real glad we got to see Star Fox. So a lot, a lot, it checked all my, I had like a, an inner checklist, checked them all off. So hit my benchmark,

but all in all, I think if you're a fan of the eternals it did it yeah jose we're gonna definitely i mean again we're basically signing you up for like a lifetime contract but i mean like the post-credit scene you said starfox we got some black knight shit we're gonna have play with vampires we like uh robbie and i said like this hits the cosmic side of things which they're expanding in the mcu obviously we got a doubt you know we dabbled with it with thanos and the guardians way back when but now we're getting in some weird you know underbelly you know history shit with the black knight oh we got uh

blade and vampires supernatural dracula i yeah as soon as you were tweeting that robbie i was like well first of all moon knight is such a is such a fantastic character uh echo is such an underrated character i don't i'm glad that this character is getting some shine and blade i was hard into blade in the midnight suns in like my teenage years so like between the ages of like 12 and like 17 probably shouldn't have been reading some of the comic books i was reading back then but like that stretch of like ghost rider vengeance blade morbius uh dr strange is part of that group basically the the the dark not the dark avengers but like the you know like the mythical avengers if you would kind of like justice league dark if you would that has

like constantine swamp thing and all that kind of thing i didn't realize blade was like intertwined with the comic books back then i thought this was kind of like all right we acquired blades let's like shoehorn them into the mcu no blade is it was a is a pretty integral part to like he does a lot in the back like behind the scenes of marvel like he's the one he does there are some pretty hardcore blade stories there is a blade comic book run in the midnight midnight suns which and i don't have to get into it like super detailed yet but it's one of my i like that you said yeah you know we're gonna get to it yeah it's one of my it's not it's one of those stories it's not necessarily great but i it's like my comfort food i read it all of the time it's so. I want to remind everybody about our presenting sponsor, 3Chi. It is the industry leader in Delta-8 THC products. All of these products formulated by a biochemist are made in the USA with USA-grown hemp, not marijuana. That's how this is different.

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available on their website at three chi.com shop for Delta eight vapes, gum tinctures oils everything at their website is five percent off with the promo code mmb again 3t.com that's the number three chi.com promo code mmb i love that well we got hawkeye debuting this week we're here to talk about it i believe it's primarily based on matt fractions hawkeye run as i said um it appears that way from the the costumes that they got him wearing in the trailers we have hawkeye experiencing some hearing loss which i believe is a part of that as well so before we even get into like what this run is uh plot wise what makes it so special what made this matt fractions like leaping off point in comic books this and like i said this when i when we did the eternals episode where i very rarely suggest

eternals and i very rarely oh i want to read something complex i it's almost never eternals matt fractions hawkeye run is one that i will suggest for everybody. It is the opposite. It is dating back to, we're going to talk about this because you can't not talk about the Hawkeye without starting at kind of Avengers Disassembled. Avengers Disassembled is pretty much the benchmark of when Marvel, like it is dating back 30 years, I would avengers disassembled is the most important story in all of marvel it it was the big bang of every story that you've read over the last 30 years and dating back to then this is one of the five best runs that i have ever read this hawkeye matt fraction run it it's so hard to just because i i want to tell you everything but i want people i really want people to read it and i don't want them to get like this i really like when they announced the

hawkeye character he wasn't in was going to be in the mcu he wasn't really doing anything much and then obviously like it's the marvel comic books kind of they go off of the movies like when that's why you're seeing all of a sudden a bunch of eternals comic books kind of they go off of the movies like when that's why you're seeing all of a sudden a bunch of eternals comic books come out which is perfectly fine but uh same as kate bishop kate bishop isn't really doing anything right now in the marvel comic books that will obviously change once the show comes out um but the map fraction run when it came out it's and i said this the last, there's every now and then this title just sneaks up on you that I have no expectations. And then all of a sudden you read one issue and you, it's one of those ones, like, you know, like one issue in that this is going to be a big deal.

I said that about Immortal Hulk, Matt Fraction's run, the Grayson run, Ultimate Spider-Man. There's, there's a lot of spectacular Spider-Man. There's a lot of titles like-man there's a lot of titles like that that aren't maybe the mainstream but hawkeye the map fracture and what really sets it apart is it really answers this question of what does hawkeye do when he's not in the avengers like what does he do day to day because he's just a human like iron man is also technically just a human with a bunch of cool gadgets but he's not as grounded as hawkeye and a lot of the stories are very ground level story arcs like i think one of the big ones like actually not even the one of the

big ones like right out of the gate he's like he's like fresh off of an avengers like adventure whatever and you really see him like this hero that you at this point, you see him in the MCU. You've seen him like do all this stuff. He's covered in bandages. He has like a sling. And I'm like, oh, like, yeah, he's a human. He got fucked up by an alien. Of course, he's going to have some sort of like aesthetic damages to him.

And he goes to his shitty apartment in like Queens or wherever. And the mob is trying to take it like the Russian mob is trying to take his building and that's the arc is him he's kind of all of the tenants who are just Joe Schmoe's regular mom and pop's families are like kind of look to Clint Barton and is like the the guy like you got to help us man so it's like those type of stories stories you would never get in a movie that i think are it is topped it is god level writing and by my fraction jose you're selling me on hawkeye now after you sold me on the eternals which are basically the opposite right they're these godlike beings from the steps that can't even compute to just this guy just a normal dude and i think you i and on the podcast we talk about all the time i think we fall into a lot of the uh

mcu viewers where it's like hawkeye is just kind of this lame dude he's like tier three avenger tier four whatever you want to call him but when you see him in endgame and he's with his family and they're asking hot dogs and they're talking about mayonnaise on the mayonnaise on hot dogs and that's just relatable i'm a dad i have my kids running around upstairs right now and then you see them they're going to new york city it looks like they're gonna probably do they're doing rogers right they're doing the play yeah the broadway show and shit like that and that's something i'll probably do with my kids you know down the road taking them to a broadway play i did it with my family when i was younger um so you're kind of saying that he's gonna hawkeye was kind of the guy who got clowned in the old phases

for just being kind of lame are you saying we're gonna kind of like he's gonna become more relatable and kind of a guy that we might clown him but it's like my dad did that kind of shit he's a dad i'm glad you brought this this up clem because i was gonna touch on this this sooner this hawkeye run and i'm gonna when i say hawkeye i'm gonna group kate bishop and clint barton together okay because they are both hawkeye there was a stretch of time where like where like green arrow was what you said like in the dc he was just just shit on all the time like just such a lame hero and then he had that green lantern green narrow run by like neil adams daniel neil which just set the comic book world on fire like that is like there's god level and then there's like it it it is above that that is

that the green lantern green arrow run is unbelievable and this is that's kind of what hawkeye went through but like decades later where it just set the comic book world on fire i'm glad you brought up the dad thing because a lot of people like the hawkeye has hit so many demographics and like obviously in a publishing company you want to hit and Robbie, you know, ratings, demographics, all that stuff in the wrestling world. You want to hit certain, certain, certain marks. Like Clint Barton hit really, hit really hard with when he in like the sixties, seventies, eighties,

because he was really the first Avenger to push back against Captain America. Like Captain America would give an order and Clint would be like, why? Like's stupid i'm just gonna shoot him with an arrow and like that in the 60s 70s 80s like you're going through this rebellion teenage phase like that hits home and hawkeye has evolved now kate bishop we're gonna get into her she hits home really hard for a lot of women that i like a lot of women that i know that recompensate kate bishop like hits hard for a lot of women that i like a lot of women that i know that re-conflicts like kate bishop like hits hard for them and clam as a dad matt fractions run is gonna hit hard too it's not in the sense that not he's not the biological father but it is very much a father daughter type relationship a lot of people assume they're like in a relationship that is so far from the case it's like clint is basically mentor father guardian to kate bishop but kate bishop is clearly like her

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the mcu because that was an unbelievable series and it sounds like these are things that a casual fan like me who hasn't dabbled in comics in years doesn't realize is these characters like you said the green arrow green lantern stuff they have stuff they're gonna bring it and they not going to bring shit to your disney plus they want you to resubscribe and keep coming on they're going to bring the heat with this hawkeye character so i'm and i don't know anything about kate bishop either so that's a whole other thing and are we do we have any are we dabbling with the ronin side of him because we saw that i hope so man because ronin was such an under what i i didn't i don't want to say he was underrated, but it was a means to an end where...

I don't like... This is all pre-Fraction, but obviously he's... Real quick, like you guys... Have you guys read Avengers Disassembled? No. So Avengers Disassembled is, as I said, like the launch point where...

I think, Robbie, I was DMing... When WandaVision was going on, I was just DMing you all of this. of these like storyboards of crazy scarlet witch that's gonna happen so scarlet witch goes crazy basically just takes out a bunch of the avengers basically joe casado who became like the editor-in-chief of marvel needed a hard reset of everything marvel so like tony stark got drunk again threatened to kill like a latverian like delegation person at the un but he wasn't really drunk scott lang got killed who was the ant-man hawkeye is at this point super irrelevant to the comic books they needed to write him off

so they wouldn't feel obligated so uh there's this big kree invasion and every avenger ever is like fighting and his backpack his arrows get caught on fire he's like oh crap like if if my arrows blow up we're all going to die so he grabs a kree warrior uses his jetpack and just flies and kamikazes himself into a starship and blows it up sacrifice himself and saves the day so clint barn is gone he's out of the thing. House of N happens where Scarlet Witch takes over Professor X's mind, creates this perfect world. And then Luke Cage, Wolverine and Layla Miller wake up and they're trying to like re awaken all of the lost memories and people at this point,

Hawkeye is alive again, but he isn't aware that he died. So it's like nothing happened. And he has no idea what's happening. And then he finds out and he goes ballistic on Scarlet witch and he's like you killed me and then there's this very very fantastic uh i think robbie i messed i texted you this photo of scarlet witch like pixelated him like it's like he just turned him into like legos and just like knocked him over and then right after that no more mutants uh the thing that the famous scene from no more mutants so then that resets a lot of the mutant world which we'll get into way way way way later at this point though hawkeye is back alive again dr strange is sort of his mental coach therapist

type thing captain america gets killed obviously gets shot on the back of the head, Civil War. Iron Man approaches Hawkeye and offers him the Captain America role. He's like, do you want to be the new Captain America? Obviously, he turns it down, but he does kind of debate it. And at this point, Kate Bishop is established as part of the Young Avengers, and she is pissed. She's like, no one can be Captain America. That's not something you can just hand out and then clint is like well you took my hawkeye thing and i was dead and you're not hawkeye and then there's like this whole like kind of thing at the end of the day clint accepts it and then obviously bucky winter soldier becomes captain america and then now that we have the female hawkeye

clint barn becomes ronan uh and, at this point, take kind of takes the mentorship role of Kate Bishop and physically and mentally kind of tests her. Kate Bishop steals his bow from Avengers Mansion. And Clint is so impressed that not only did she steal the bow that she broke into Avengers Mansion to steal it. He's like, you know what? You can have it. Pass the torch on to you so uh there's also like there's this really interesting run called blind spot where he uh hawkeye is losing his vision like he's he's going blind uh and then we meet his brother barney who used to work for one of the zemos like i don't think it was baron zemo but it was one of them

and then there's like this big fight and Clint wins. And then I believe Barney gives him some bone marrow. So he gets his eyesight back. So at this point, Hawkeye's going to do some shit. And then we get into the Matt Fraction one. That's like a very. That's all pre-Fraction. That's all pre-Fraction.

Holy shit. So we're going to get some of the pre-Fraction stuff like in this show. Like they're going to have to meet him and Kateate bishop in the show obviously and stuff like that is it christmas time in the fraction run or is that just for the show so it's there's a christmas story there's a christmas issue so and there's a lot of oh man matt matt fractions run had so many singular issues that you can just get enjoyment of that one issue and we're gonna get into it because I I watched I didn't watch the trailer but I've seen some of the photos I'm like oh this is happening this is happening this is happening so like before we get

like we're like there's like if you saw he had I think he had the hearing aid in one of the thing that is oh man that single issue issue when Clint Barton goes deaf because he had two arrows stabbed in his ear, I think by the clown, I think, did it, and he loses his hearing and he has the hearing aid. That whole issue, there's no dialogue. It's all Barney and Clint doing sign language, and the art is just unreal.

The sequential art, I can't even describe how unreal. The sequential art. I can't even describe the whole comic book issue has no dialogue in it. Not only does that issue have no dialogue we're going to get into, I'm sure you guys saw the posters, the dog, the pizza dog. Yeah, there is. Oh, man, it was I wrote a question. I wrote, how quickly are we going to fall in love with this dog oh oh man that dog because matt fraction wrote that based off of his own dog who passed away before the stories could come out so that hits home for him there is a whole issue from the dog's

point of view with and it's all like the dialogue you see the bubbles it's all scratchy because the dog obviously doesn't understand what's happening and it associates because dogs obviously um they kind of sense things and like smell is such a big part of the dog's life so matt fraction and um i'm blanking on his name right now and i feel terrible that i'm forgetting the the right the artist's name oh man it's gonna bother me but i'm a book behind you he is actually let's find out right here where it is you pulled it out the last episode and you were like there it is i can't wait for this fucking and by the way here just seeing jose's face as he relives all this like that just gets me excited because i know how much these comics mean to you and now i'm like i can't wait i hope i feel like the show one-tenth what you feel about

the comics here here we go david aja shout out to david aja who is i've he's now an artist where if i see his name on something i just buy it i don't even read to see what it's about i just buy anyway uh he david aja really needed to find a way to to show what smell would be like through visual and he would so every person has like a sense tree so it's like clint barn has like he's like like the dog looks at hawkeye who's like talking but it's all scratchy things and it's like coffee cigarettes smell and it's like this tree and then like kate bishop has like a hint of pizza and it is i the the issue is called pizza is my business i think that's what it's called and it should be an episode title oh oh if there's an episode of that it will that's that that right there is the end game that

will make that is one of the that is top 15 single issues i have ever read in the last 30 years it like i didn't think it was possible to like to portray smell or a dog or make it any sort of it's basically a noir detective story with a dog as the main character and it is so good that's awesome this is what gets me excited is the unique story telling that they might do obviously with the wandavision we had the sitcoms where we went through um and to go through the dog which i didn't even think and our guy jeff d low i saw jeff's tweeting he said um he said there's a scene and i think the first episode that's just really funny and he didn't really elaborate on it but i'm already like wow we're kind of going there is there kind of a little bit of humor any of the character in this one one thousand percent

everything like it's there's oh man like it,000%. Everything, like, it's, there's, oh, man. Like, it's all through dialogue, too. It's basically, this run is all inner monologue, conversational and everything, but there's very humorous ways that they use, like, there's very serious scenes happening, but they use dialogue to kind of, you know, calm the situation down.

Like, the first issue, the very first thing you see is hawkeye like falling out of a building like shooting arrows well like in like this big epic moment and the inner monologue goes well this isn't good or something like that and then that is used that phrase like this isn't good or this looks bad i can't quite remember that is used constantly throughout the thing in like very like humorous ways or one of the main characters is like this russian mob guy and he's just he calls everyone because english isn't his first language so he calls everyone bro so he's like what's up bro bro you want a slice of pizza bro you want to do this bro you want to

do that and it's just very very very funny all of the things that the the dialogue uh uses and clint is just so like i don't want to say jaded but he's like been to other multiverses he's been through time he's been to other planets so it's like someone's like oh someone mugs me you at this point too he's been through endgame you know like 100 yeah and so like people will come up people come up to him with with problems that like to us are real big problems. And he's just like, all right, let's just go do it. It's like, it's great. It's, it's again, I can't, I don't want to give away too much because I want people to go read it, but it is like, and this, this, this run, this, this Matt fraction run,

everyone is trying to do this now, everyone. And no one is like capturing this, like Mr. Miracle by Tom King is like the closest I can get those are both on the same level and even Tom King after that hasn't really captured that like dialogue heavy oblivion hero quite like Hawkeye we're hearing a lot of rumors about Daredevil and possibly involvement in this and Kingpin the guy who played Kingpin in the Daredevil series even quote tweeted this that said like oh i really love these marvel shows looking forward to this one

echo is a character in this that's going to be getting her own spin-off uh one you said echo is underrated i had his echo cool character so i guess that answers that but is there any chance that we get involvement from that daredevil universe in this i would i would hope i i would imagine i would assume if it's going to be something maybe because like i said like the russian mob is really kind of going down in this maybe kingpin kind of slots into that role is like the crime lord rather than the russian mob then again hawkeye does a lot of like grounds level crime fighting in this not even remotely close to galactic interdimensional multiverse thing it's very like that after eternals like i like that it's almost like a nice little reset this is like

this is the antithesis of this is the antithesis of the eternals like this is very this is like if you if if celestial gods that can create life or even mentioned in this like what are we doing like like this is like you got i want so i watched the first season of daredevil and i loved everything about it and i hope it would fit perfectly with hawkeye very ground level crime fighting cool and echo like what is that character their involvement in this are they in the comic book they're in the comic book uh echo is a uh very tied to the kingpin so uh she has like the white handprint on her face and everything so she's a native american too which i'm sure if they want to break into like a demographic that

they haven't quite hit uh yeah that goes the one to do it she's she's taught she's she was a supporting character for daredevil for a long time i think she came out in like the late 90s and then clem she took over the role as ronan too so if we want that kind of thing we could we could have uh that'll probably happen as well so if like i would imagine if like if they don't know each other maybe hawkeye is like fighting crime and all of a sudden he's seeing his character like on screens like who the fuck is that i was ronan maybe it's maybe it's her maya lopez so that would but it's all uh yeah echo is a super underrated character but i don't i don't know if she's strong enough to carry her own story yet i'm glad they

would introduce her this way i don't want her just thrown into her own show this is something i think all of us who are going to watch it have to kind of do in our head is we kind of have to like reset time and basically go back a year because every obviously covid pushed everything back you know a year and the way the whole shooting and the way everything the releases have come like ronan you have to think the guy had his family snapped away right five years later saw his like best friend in the avengers and his fellow character that got shit on by everyone, Black Widow. She got thrown off a cliff so he

could live. So this guy's going to be going through some shit. Then he has his family come back. He has to live with probably the guilt of Natasha choosing to die instead of him. Killing all those people in the five years in between. He was just slaughtering people in the streets of Japan.

I casually went over he just like became like a mass murderer i got skimmed over that but yeah he's and maya maya will be interesting and like because if you don't know anything about her powers like she has the ability to basically just copy physically copy what she sees she has like a photographic memory but like physical photographic memory so like I remember there's an issue where like she watches a piano, like like a lifetime piano player. Like he's he's like this epic piano player. And he like she like watches him once and just plow like all of a sudden just does it. But it's not like a power like she can just do it.

It's very similar to Taskmaster. I was going to say he was the bad guy from Black Widow, because I've seen Black Widow. So if they're really going through this whole, like this, like, because we have the new Black Widow, I would assume Kate Bishop's going to take over Hawkeye. You got Echo coming out. You got this real young group of female superheroes that are all ground level.

I think it's going to be pretty fantastic. Even Taskmaster, I would throw into that group. And we could get the yelena involvement in this i would assume we are going to get her because in the post-credit scene for black widow she's told you know this is the person responsible for your sister's death i would assume her and kate are going to have some sort of dust up i think that would be the way to go i think that would be pretty fantastic and then uh because the new the new feet the new hawkeye and the new black black widow are kind of throwing down.

That would be pretty fantastic. And you can't talk about Kate Bishop. I know I wasn't going to bring in all this interdimensional multiverse tomfoolery. But you can't talk about Kate Bishop without talking about the Young Avengers, which then leads to Iron Lad. Do you guys know anything about Iron Lad? No, we were reading up about iron heart but not really iron lad so iron lad and i had a a big so i saw iron man three yep and i thought that the kid was going to be iron lad i really did they brought him back for end game out of nowhere

and everyone's like who the fuck is that kid oh why can't it be that's what i thought it can't be because iron lad is the young version of kang the conqueror oh shit oh jesus gang he said kang what yeah oh boy so i so oh man kang the conqueror goes back in time and meets his younger self and shows him like this is what you are destined to be this is all that you will have and young kang is like no man f you i don't want this and blah blah blah blah like young teenage angst very anakin skywalker and then like goes to the future or past or whatever i can't't, I don't quite remember, but like the present day, he ends up young, young Kang ends up in the present day and becomes iron lab and he's a hero. He's young Avengers. He's always good.

And he's a hero because he wants to not become his. He doesn't want to fulfill his destiny as this like overlord of time. That's pretty sick. But as you know, you can't, but then as you know you can't but then as you know in the mcu you change one or better yet you've all seen the future what back to the future you can't change the past without changing the future so without king the conqueror all of this stuff can't happen and certain people can't exist and he realizes that so then he just succumbs to his destiny and becomes king the conqueror anyway also you know who else is in Young Avengers?

Wiccan, who is Scarlet Witch's son. Yeah. So it's like all this shit is happening. And now we got the young Patriot or Patriot, whatever his name is. Patriot. So the original Young Avengers were Hulkling, and wick and and wiccan i believe but she hulk and hulk gonna make something there dude they're related oh are they i didn't know that i didn't know that i didn't know i didn't know that so in there so in the uh in the in

the ultimate universe it is betty brandt betty brandt that's her name yeah betty it becomes the she-hulk but that story was so horrendous that we're not even going to touch on that but uh real real short uh she-hulk was dying some disease and her cousin bruce banner came in to give her a blood transfusion but he has radiated blood oh no and she becomes she-hulk but the difference is she's not as strong but doesn't become she keeps her mind when she becomes she hulk kind of like hulk and hulk kind of yeah and she's a lawyer she ends up with star fox it's a whole it's a whole thing i did mention that i mentioned that you you told me that star fox and she hulk are very funny together they're all it's

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you're you guys are gonna have to step up and kind of fill the gap until we're back that kate bishop and cassie lang show up cassie lang is related to scott lang who was like giant man ant-man type thing iron we got her we got a cassie lang in the movies yeah yeah so kang uh is is young kang the conqueror is iron lad he joins and he flees through time and i kind of told you all that and uh kate bishop isn't one of the originals she wasn't chosen by vision which is kind of a a thorn in her side she has to really prove her her role in the team, which is mirrored to what Hawkeye did back when he joins the Avengers back in the day, because he joins when Iron Man and it was Iron Man, Thor, Giant Man and Wasp all took a break from the Avengers. And then Captain America hired Scarlet Witch, Quicksil, and Hawkeye to kind of fill their place. So it was like a four-man Avengers kind of dump.

Jesus. But it's, and that's okay. Bishop is kind of boring for a very long time. She was kind of this amalgamation of a bunch of heroes. She had like a sword and bow and arrows and a shield. She was very poorly put together, but then they've kind of flushed out her character and uh it's her backstory is pretty brutal pretty brutal which is why she's she hit home with so many women i have a question jose based so obviously you said she saw black widow and we've seen the

post credits there that um i can't remember yelena right she's gonna come after so do we have any kind of a thunderbolts or dark avengers crossover here in any of these hawkeyes arcs or anything like that i would assume it's going to be sort of a dark avengers type thing maybe where they kind of replace the avengers uh with a lot of other heroes and then they fight or they're trying to set up civil war part two like in the comic books uh but but in the thunderbolt and when the dark avengers bullseye takes hawkeyes place uh and like various other parts because they're trying to recreate the Avengers with super villains. So I would imagine this is also also there. Oh, man, this is all this crazy. This is all this like I'm remembering all of this now, like over time, there's this group called or this experiment called project communion i believe is what it's

called which is a hydra-based uh project which is experiments on children uh similar to like weapon x or what made steve rogers or do you know nuke from i don't know if nuke is in one of the daredevils i think nuke or what's i don't know uh nuke is in born again and then he came back for wolverine origins, the, the common one. He's part of that, like weapon X,

Steve Rogers type government experiment. He had the cap American flag tattooed on his face. They're trying to recreate that. But with kids, it's very, it's very, what's that TV show with 13 stranger things. Ask.

I try to experiment on kids and kate finds out and like spazzes because she's she was a kid who kind of had her world turned upside down and she wants to save them and have their own life so clint and kate save the day and they bring them all back to clint's apartment but then the hydra agents follow them and then the kids kill the hydra agents and clint is like this is not okay like and then it hits him like these kids are weapons like we have to give them the shield and and and k is like no they need their own life they need to make their own way and clint's like no bro like they are living bio weapons we have to give them to the government and then eventually

they kind of settle like these kids are going to have their own life but that is the that is the fraction that starts between kate and clint is like that argument over shoot like shields and that's in this run or no that is in so matt fractions run went all the way up to all new hawkeye which is just a continuation but matt fraction wasn't writing it but it's part of that it's part of the same so that is yeah same same same run how long is this like actual run a couple years a couple years for sure that has five or six hours so it's going to be interesting to see like where they pull from right there's no way they can get everything and they're gonna have to cut around a lot especially if they're gonna try to interview kate bishop who is like kate like i said her her

backstory is like she was a rich girl whose dad was like she idolized her dad but then her dad turned out to be a criminal oh no maybe kingpin kills him um and then she kind of rebels and becomes a superhero and you know tries to do a bunch of hawkeye things hawkeye is dead she's taking place also it turns out she was like assaulted in in like central park back in the day which is why she's like it's not so much she wants vengeance it was i don't want this to ever happen to me again yeah so she becomes a superhero it's like a self-defense almost for herself yeah she had like survivor's guilt so basically becomes becomes a superhero. Wow. Sounds heavy, but it sounds good. I mean, they're going to mix that with the Christmas vibes.

I would hope so. And then like during this time, like dark rain happens, secret invasion happens. This is a story called the children's crusade, which was just super expansive, which is what was introduced. Like the backstory of Tommy and Billy to being Scarlet, which is kids and Wiccan and all that so like that was super long and i think a little a little too long but that's when the young avengers become an official branch of the avengers for a long time they were operating on their own like crazy like these kids building in the movies like all of these people you're mentioning like the scarlet

witch's kids like they uh cassie lang like uh kate bishop like they're actually like doing what they're just lifting it and putting it in the movies it's gonna be a very like like i've noticed now all these young kids are now joining like like you said like there's the new black widow there's the new hawkeye there's gonna be tommy and billy hopefully hopefully iron lab like you can't have k Kane without Iron Lad so like they have Iron Heart announced maybe they'll replace Iron Lad with her Iron Heart I would think that would be really cool it seems to be this young female empowerment movement in the movies which is fantastic and it all honestly it all makes sense too these aren't characters that they're reworking just to fit a role like they're not

it's not a puzzle piece they're trying to make fit all of this makes sense comic book wise as well and that's what i think i get the most excited about in terms of this run here is the way you're making it sound it's it fits with the way the book ran with fractions stories and all that stuff is we're gonna have it how many episodes of five six spots you know i think it's six or seven so this is gonna be basically it starts the day before thanksgiving and i don't know about you guys my thanksgiving to christmas it's like you're inside you have the lights up you have the christmas glow tree if it may be everyone's making any cookies it's just like a warm festive time and then this show sounds like it might be more of the same it's gonna be a comic book show but

it's gonna be fun might be funny and we're gonna have you know kind of a bunch of but it's gonna be fun. Might be funny. And we're gonna have, you know, kind of a bunch of characters. It's gonna be in the city. You're gonna have the Christmas theme. We got a fucking little pooch coming into our lives. I know, the dog I can't wait for. I'm feeling good vibes here, Jose. I try to avoid trailers and stuff a lot,

as much as possible, because I like to go in a little blind, but I'll look at some photos and I saw the poster for Pizza Dog and I was like, oh, right out of the gate. Like, you got me, you got me there. As soon poster for pizza dog. And I was like, Oh, right out of the gate. Like you got me, you got me there as soon as they showed that. Cause he was, uh, I hope because then there's, there's a point in time where like Kate,

like they do spoil or they split up at some point. Kate goes to LA with pizza dog and Clint stays behind in New York. So that's a whole, whole thing too. So we talked about you having seen like maybe half the MCU movies. Like you don't rush to the theaters every time to go see them do you love this run enough that you're gonna check this out immediately this that's a really really good question my girlfriend is really into the shows she hasn't seen a lot of the move like she likes them she wants the eternals with me and she's like

this movie was a lot it was very long she loved black widow um she really wants to watch all the spider-man's before the new one comes out but so i'm sure i'll watch a little bit with her loki because see the problem is like i loved there was a run with loki that i loved so much and when i watch the shows i'm just like this is gonna happen this is going to happen and i'm like i'm just waiting for it and it like takes the the magic out of it sometimes because as soon as i saw one of the characters of loki i was like kang's coming kang is right around the corner and then exactly what happened but yeah i'll watch this if it's that short i'll probably watch it yeah it's you know an hour every week or whatever 40 minutes every week you can get through that yeah i have the pizza dog oh man yeah i watch the pizza dog and i just i'm a sucker for uh

grounded superheroes like so am i especially like i love when you build to something like end game like that's amazing but in the meantime like i like the grounded stuff i we were talking about a falcon and winter soldier like i really loved that i like i like seeing the geopolitical side of the mcu and the brutal side of john walker and like the the grounded stuff so i'm excited for something not to have world-ending consequences like the eternals where it's like literally some something's coming out of the center of the earth it's like nah i'd rather just see yeah someone try to force out some tenants and hawkeye save them yeah and i from what i've gathered uh my fan my dad's side of the family is pretty involved in uh the hearing impaired world like deaf people and hawkeye becoming deaf was a big deal yeah at

one point like they like i have a couple friends that are like on my dad's side that were deaf and it was a big deal echo is a big deal to like that world so i'm very glad that uh they're introducing i'm really interested how they portray if there's a whole episode with no dialogue or if it's just music because they've done it before like robbie have you seen mr robot yeah mr robot and they just did it in uh only murders in the building their show on hulu yeah they did an entire episode no dialogue because there's deaf characters in the show love it love everything about it that's a that's a show worth checking out only murders in the building martin short steve martin it's great oh interesting and like the mr robot episode i didn't even know

that had no dialogue till it was over and then i said something i was like huh i was like huh there's been no dialogue here so if they do pull something like that it would be i don't know if they can fit it in a five five series run though yeah it would be tough i saw there there was like increased google search results in sign language and increased like people wanting to learn sign language after eternals because there was the one deaf eternal yeah so like after hawkeye i would imagine that only goes up i also have people in my family who like have learned sign language teach it now to deaf children so like i think that's the coolest thing like whenever we're around we're like all right teach us some words yeah there's a there's an issue where the issue i'm talking about when hawkeye and his brother

like driving in a car and it's all sign language and it's like hawkeye's having to focus because he's not totally fluent yet so he's talking but then in the side panel all you see is the hands because he's trying to focus on the hands so it's showing clint's perspective of being so hyper focused on the on trying to understand what his brother is saying that it it is it is the combination of fractionage writing to dialogue is second to none it is i can't recommend this enough like clem you're gonna have to go buy this immediately and just plow through it i'm sold i mean you got me sold does he get me sold he get me excited i think everyone's gonna be in the same boat all the listeners who were like i i again like no offense to hawkeye no offense to jeremy renner who i think

is an awesome actor and i'm actually kind of excited he gets to kind of like show off his his the role on his own but i think everyone's kind of going and being like yeah we got a Hawkeye series and now it's like no Jose if it's Jose like not only approved but like recommended oh all in yeah it's like I said the homework assignment everyone go buy Hawkeye go buy two copies all guys send one to comics for kids there's a lot there's there's a lot of like small like I'm gonna grab a few of them like they're all small like you can read this in yeah like the volumes right you get like volume one yeah yeah they're all in the in the the paneling is just superb and the conclusion

is pretty explosive at the end with like the the uh the apartment story where like the russian mob is trying to pull it out it's pretty like people like because at some point you're reading this you're like all right there's been a lot of dialogue i want to see something and then all of a sudden you remember that hawkeye is a superhero and just like bombs and explosions and crime fighting and everything so it's it's eventually it'll it'll pick up but it is fantastic this could be the comic that gets you into reading comics if you're listening right now and you're like i like the movies but i don't read comics jose says this is the comic for everyone go buy this one don't read it if you're younger than 15 though and if you're younger than 15 you

probably shouldn't be listening to this show that's true or if there's a dad out there who's like you know what i'm gonna buy my son or daughter matt fractions hawkeye like wait a couple years because some of you can probably like i probably would have read this too young but there's some there's violence in it there's guns there's bad words there's things you don't want it's good that you said that too because usually i'll just recommend things to clem and i'll be like yeah show it to your daughter and then yes i got a seven-year-old up there and i took her to the movie theaters based on bob's uh of Black Widow.

And then she was watching, you know, human trafficking going on. I'm like, yeah, this isn't very good right here. This is fixing. So this is good because they don't even give homework anymore in school. They just, they have them read 20 minutes a night. Cause I guess reading like, and I think like, and she's, and my coworker at large, his 14-year-old boy, he's found like the, he's cracked the code. He just reads graphic novels. He'll read like the Infinity Saga and stuff like that. So I'm going to recommend this. This is perfect for my found like he's cracked the code he just reads graphic novels he'll read like the infinity saga and stuff like that so i'm gonna recommend this this is perfect for my

when they go home they're like go home and read books you're like i will books with a lot of pictures in them we're we're reading charlie and the chocolate factory now but i'm gonna get her into comics sooner rather than later thanks to jose i'm gonna have to get jose to have a full recommendation for that uh there's a like she's in this she likes Spider-Man yeah oh yeah they are diehards but her and my boy is three Ultimate Spider-Man is I would give that to a two-year-old I would give that to a 90-year-old and they would love it that's the one I'll let you borrow mine yeah I got I I have I have all of them there's a lot there's like 25 volumes of it. So you're not going to run out of material.

Oh, you're the man. All right. That's awesome, Jose. Thank you for joining the show again. And once again, Comics for Kids, right? You got to plug that. Comicbooksforkids.org, man. Go donate all of your children-friendly comic books.

Or even if you have adult-friendly comic books, you want to get rid of them too, they donate a bunch of the troops too. And can uh let kids who are going through a lot of a lot of shit with like you know cancer and all this kind of stuff like real life problems let them escape into the enchantment of the minds that is comic books absolutely go follow jose on twitter jose youngs and uh check him out on mmafighting.com thank you jose for joining the show and we'll see you for their first ever hawkeye recap coming soon you got it boss