My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 17 - STRANGEST THINGS 3 WITH KFC, FEITELBERG, AND CLEM

Episode Date: July 15, 2019

Robbie is joined by KFC, Feits, and Clem in the Upside Down for a deep dive into Stranger Things 3! From “Suzie, Do You Copy?” to “The Battle At Starcourt”, the boys go over it all, and much, much, more, as revelations are made on this podcast that will change the landscape of My Mom's Basement forever, and seriously bring into question Robbie's nerdom. Follow this week's guests on Twitter... -@KFCBarstool -@FeitsBarstool -@TheClemReport …and don't forget to subscribe to KFC Radio, Podfathers, and We Gotta Believe on iTunes/Spotify/wherever podcasts are listened to!!!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners. You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. As always, joining me for the recaps, we got KFC, Kevin Clancy, your second appearance on the show. Yes, sir. And we did this last time with the KFC Radio Gang, so KFC's other partner, John Feidelberg, is also on the show. Did we do that for season two? We did it for season two. Okay, so you can go back. That's still out there on the internet. I think it's on the KFC radio feed

if you want to listen to Strangest Things, the original edition, wrapping up season two. That's out there. Yep, and we had, instead of Clem, we had Trent,

but that bitch Cornboy didn't finish Stranger Things in time. I mean, maybe the softest move I've ever heard. He had two more episodes to go and he just went to bed on Thursday night.

Last night he went to bed. I had two more left. Bob stayed up until two. He went to bed at midnight. Oh, so he waited for you to get back from Vegas to watch it? No, he was just fucking he had his thumb up his ass not doing anything. I did it all one night.

Not one night. Monday night. I did it two nights. I dropped on the 4th. I did like four episodes the night of July 4th and then the rest of the next morning. so I was done in like 12 hours I loved Clem's eyes when I said I did

I just love telling people who have like responsibilities and children and shit that like yo I didn't get off the couch for 8 hours straight and I'd be like

Clem's eyes came out of his head he looked like Chris Tucker what? 8 hours of just like uninterrupted freedom is a foreign language to me right now

I don't even doesn't even register we did like one a night we tried to savor the flavor and like you said it Kevin of just uninterrupted freedom is a foreign language to me right now. It doesn't even register. We did one a night. We tried to savor the flavor. You said it, Kevin. I didn't know it was eight. I thought it was at least ten episodes. What were the first two?

Was it 13 or 10? I think there was a ten. I think season two was eight. Actually, I think they were all eight. Really? I'm pretty sure they were all eight or nine. The hateable episode of season two, the one no one likes when she went off with that gang.

I like that one. I believe that was episode seven. That is the worst episode. Jedi training. It was the worst episode of a good TV show I've ever seen. Dude, it was a straight Jedi training episode. For a bunch of people that don't matter. It was like Nicky and Paolo and Boss.

It was also Jedi training and everyone was dressed like rock stars. I was like, is this my fucking wet dream? I never hated it. Watching it, I was just like, eh. I didn't, is this my fucking wet dream? I never hated it. Watching it, I was just like, eh. I didn't have a strong opinion about it, and then when I read

everyone hated it, I was like, I guess I don't like it too. I hate those people. I just remember the one girl the other people are so not memorable to me. Fuck that episode.

I really thought they would at least appear in some way in season three, but they didn't. I guess they're saving them for season four, but let's talk about season three. Well, let me just say here,

I did one a night, and then my wife basically was like, she got addicted, and she's like, we got to do these things one after another, after another. And the last night we just did a three hour binge. And I felt like such a fucking bad boy because she's like, babe, we got to do this last one. And I'm like, look, it's 1030. I'm like, like 1130. And that was like the biggest sacrifice I've made for the family in years. And Spites is here banging out eight. So I just want to say you're coming like four in the morning. like 11 30 and that was like the biggest like sacrifice i've made for the family in years and

sprites is here banging out eight so i just want to say you're coming like four in the morning they're like come on it's a great life yeah it's an absolutely great sweet man it's tough on the july 4th drop i didn't have big plans so i was happy because it was like i'm off from work i i went out a little bit and then i had stranger things at night but if you were away or doing like big time fourth of july plans it kind of was tougher they kind of fucked you and and the thing is with spoilers which i think we'll kind of touch on is um even coming into this it's like when do you start tweeting about it the memes all that kind of shit and even people were asking you know for our thoughts on stuff and i got i got the ending spoiled for me before you know i don't want to jump ahead but like they were saying like what

did the the you know losing a character at the end or the – and there's going to be spoilers here, right, Rob? Yeah, yeah. Spoilers in the whole podcast. I mean who would be tuning into this if you hadn't – Yeah, you're an idiot. Don't tune into this if you didn't watch the show. Yeah. So I kind of had an inkling I just – and I'm not reading like individual people's tweets.

It's like I'm following people like Time or Newsweek on there just for the job and it's like they're saying stuff for people just to kind of like get clicks. And it's like, all right, someone is going to clearly die and it's a picture of Wynonna and Jim and I'm like well one of those two are dead it's probably going to be Hopper so I kind of knew I said I was a puddle I was crying my eyes out watching the finale and this and a couple guys were like fuck you

for that spoiler man like we all know who it is if you're crying and I was like I'm pretty sure you're intimating that it's Eleven and it's not who it is if you're crying. And I was like, I'm pretty sure you're intimating that it's Eleven. And it's not. I was going to say, if I saw you say

you were crying and I just said, I was like, oh, wow, Eleven might die on this? Yeah. I also don't think outright saying

a character dies is a spoiler. Is even a spoiler. No. Especially not in a kind of show like this. If you said it about, like, friends,

it would be like, it's a spoiler. I mean, no, don't get me wrong. If someone tweeted, like, I can't believe Eleven dies, that would be a spoiler. But it, yeah, in this kind of show, you have to be careful. I'm just saying A.

If you just say A. Oh, oh, okay. If you list a particular character, yes. If you say someone dies, yes. A character dies this season. Right. It's a violent show with monsters and death. And also, having watched the entire Stranger Things 3, I know who you were weeping about.

But also, you could spin zone it. There were two very emotional deaths in that finale. Nobody even knows who you're talking about there. So let's just do, I guess, go down the table. We'll do quick overall thoughts before we go in-depth into the season. So, Kevin, we'll start with you. I liked it. I still give the nod to season one just because it was the first one

and it was just the introduction of this whole awesome world. But I think season three is way better than season two. Primarily because it didn't have any stupid episode with any random characters that don't matter. I was waiting for those characters to appear. The only downside is season three. The only thing that I think was a little weird was the kids are getting to that in-between age where they're like not cute kids anymore. And Mike weirds me out a little bit but like lucas is super cool and swaggy now so i like how they they i liked season three it goes one three two for me okay clem yeah

i'm i'm one three two as well i think they're i think i think one and three are a little closer than three and two are in terms of quality but i think one is clearly i'd say that's an a that's what i'll give it if it was a later grade i I think I gave two a B-minus last year. I probably now drop that down to a C+. This is a B-minus. I thought this was a completely different season though. I think the first one – B-minus is pretty harsh.

B-minus is harsh. Yeah, it might be a little harsh. But it's like – I thought you liked it. You wait. I'm just – people are weird with their letters. Keith will do this all the time. He's like, it's a good album.

It's a C-minus. So you liked it, but you call it a B- yeah just because I think it could be I know where it can get to with an A but I also I like the super

I honestly think the first season was different it's more of a supernatural show and you didn't really know what all these powers were where this I thought was more of a monster movie it's an 80s monster movie

and a lot of the tropes even where you know we'll get into it with the vents and some of like the unbelievable like the big bad Russian I don't like that stuff as much as i'd like to kind of the stuff that went

on in season one would you call it sci-fi or a monster movie i know it's kind of like or like i feel like 11 i would say like sci-fi alien or monster like i feel like what goes on with 11 is more sci-fi alien when she's like in season one when she's in the in the institute and they're like training her fucking with her feels alien-y feels like X-Men-y almost

right yeah mutant almost because someone said to me is it aliens or monsters or someone who's getting into the show and I was like well there's a monster

it's the same fucking thing it's the same thing an alien's a monster a monster's an alien if you're not a human I know this is your first time in my mom's basement but those aren't the kind of things you say on this show.

You can't say that. Feidelberg's like, this is nerd shit. You're fired. You're out. I love you. You're one of my favorite people. I just can't let that fly. There's like different things.

You couldn't call – what's like a – It's like saying like zombies and frigging robots are the same thing. No. Oh, yeah. Well, no. Don't do it. You're going to get kicked out of a biopsy real quick. One's und thing. No. Oh, yeah. Well, no. You're going to get kicked off of my office real quick. One's undead.

One's built by humans. This is both just like things from another world, things we've never seen before. That's the same thing. Feidelberg's asking us to turn off the comic book movie to watch the Bruins preseason. We're like, dude, that's not what we do in the basement. We're nerds down here. So you're one of the nerds.

You're with us. We're all Will the Wise and he's like, I want to go bang some chicks. Let's get on with this. For me, it was I talked about liking season two better than season one on Stranger Things 2. I remember us doing that. I'm the Steve Harrington of the show. We got that now.

Fair. And I still feel that way. Like season one, I really loved, but the more and more it gets into what Clem was describing this season as, the more I find myself liking it. I love all the references to Jurassic Park and Die Hard and Back to the Future and Terminator. You know, all these like random – Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's like very nostalgic. I liked this season the best.

Now you could say this is just my personality that whenever something new comes out, I'm like it's the best thing ever. Maybe that's the case. But I did like this season the best. Now, you could say this is just my personality, that whenever something new comes out, I'm like, it's the best thing ever. Maybe that's the case. But I did like this season better than anyone. I go 3-2-1. 3-2-1? And for me, and for me. Fox, I'm going to kick you out of my motivation. I go 3-2-1, and I'll say, for me, I was like, I thought originally it was a one-season show.

I was like, there's no way they could ever do a second season of this. They do the second season. I loved it, and I was like, there's no way they could ever do a second season of this. They do the second season. I loved it. And I was like, there's no way they could do a third season of this. Now they're at the point they've crossed the threshold, and I think they could do 74 seasons. I think it's going to go to four, though. Everything the brothers have been saying is they're definitely doing four, and they might do five. And I think they're going to run into too many issues with the kids getting older and the actors getting more work.

I don't think that'll be an issue because I think you replaced the kids. I think Stranger Things has entered the echelon of becoming a pop culture staple where until the day we die, I think Stranger Things will be a part of pop culture. You think you replaced the kids? I would say it doesn't matter because the kids age. It's not a world where children don't age. I'm not necessarily saying replace the kids. Don't recast L.

There's a new L. I think the Stranger Things universe will always be something. So even if they end with Stranger Things 4, we'll get a prequel or we'll get a Stranger Things Russia. That's an interesting take. Well, I was very happy. I think there's too much money involved

to not do that. To not jump to the end, but when they were like, we got to get the fuck out of here. Like anyone who's sticking around in Hawkins is a fucking lunatic. Yeah, yeah. And I think by ending it with the Russian scene, it's like, all right, now it's expanded past this.

Everyone knows of Hawkins. And it's like it's not just this thing that somehow stayed out of the papers all these fucking years. And now, like, the universe has expanded. And I think they can get away. If some of the kids can't come in for the next season, they can find a way to make it all work. I guess I guess now I read a prediction for season four, which is very interesting, and I love it. I don't know how they make it work, though. Or should I say this for the end?

Say it now. Fuck it. We'll get back to it. It was fall of 80s? What season was this? This is 85. We're in 85 right now. And it's the summer.

The way all the seasons line up, it progresses by a year and a half each time. And if you progress from a year and a half of season three to season four, it will put you right at Chernobyl. And they're in Russia. Holy shit. How long did that go there? If the story of the world was told is that there was a Chernobyl meltdown, but it was really like superpowers. How fucking dope would that be? I think that might just be the world has Chernobyl fever right now because of HBO. The timing does line up.

I mean, it would be incredible serendipity if the Duffer brothers were planning all that, but it like it would. But also, but like I was thinking, how do you get the kids to Russia? That doesn't make any sense. But when Steve and Robin were tied up, when he gets to the whatever juice, he says, I forget Dustin's last name. But he's like, no, it's my friend Dustin blank. And then when they're walking out of the theater, out of the mall, he the mall he's like wait Dustin we probably shouldn't go home I might have told the Russians your full name and like that might be how you get the kids there the Russians and also I think

I think anything's possible at this point with the show I think it's kind of they're kidnapped they fly over there or whatever yeah you could do anything the thing that I kept thinking is how do you explain these kids being responsible for all of the deaths that Chernobyl caused like are they eventually somehow responsible at that point?

Yep. That's a tricky sell. Or no, they're not. Because the monsters killed all those people. But I mean the radiation, the people that are dying from Chernobyl 10 years later. Only 31 people died from Chernobyl.

I can see in my mind's eye i'm like oh fuck we're we're already ruining stranger things like we ruined all these other shows it's like the renatization of stranger things we're now making theories and shit but by the way in case anybody hasn't watched it you have to watch the after credits scene yeah of course everyone knows that with marvel but i i knew a few people who didn't know to to wait for the after scene which was crazy for me because stranger things just seems like the kind of show where you have to expect a tease at the end of the season. No, I wouldn't have.

Did they do that with the other ones? I don't remember. The first season, the slug came up from... Oh, right. So I kept thinking back to that and I was like, they're definitely going to tease it. It's a cliffhanger show. Clem, did you watch it? No, I didn't. Somebody actually tweeted at me.

We opened up a little mailbag and they said like I wouldn't have known. They're like I had like four days where I had no idea that there was a post-credits. And then I think like someone tweeted it and they're like, oh, fuck. I got to go watch it. And they're like, when did the Duffer Brothers become Marvel? And everyone – Marvel is now the post-credits king. But I knew going in, but I – as I complained about getting it spoiled, I wouldn't have known to have watched. I probably would have just like went to the bathroom or gotten water after we were done.

So they referenced the American is in the cell. Maybe it's Hopper. Who knows what it is? The Demogorgon. It has to be. And the fucking Demogorgon that came out. I was screaming. It was 2 in the morning.

I was screaming in my apartment waking Trent up because the thing looks like a fucking giant dumpling. It's huge. The weirdest, like, silkiest, slickest. The monster in season three was disgusting. A unit. And scary. Yeah. And enormous.

People, I heard people say that they didn't, this season was more hokey and campy rather than scary. I was scared more this season than I remember being scared for the other season. Agreed. And Trent said the exact same thing when we were watching it. The scene, and we'll get into all of this in just a second, but the scene where the lifeguard is drowning and Elle sees her in that black area. And then the scene where the monster first comes into the hospital. And the lights all go out before the end of that episode.

We were like shitting our pants. And the very Jurassic Park-y scene where the tentacles are coming around the corner and they're hiding underneath the cabinet. That was very tense. Billy getting fucking smoked by the tentacle was like heavy fucking violence. By the way, I knew your tweet where you're like, I'm crying. And I was like,

okay, character definitely dies. And Billy dies. And I was like, I was trying to force myself to cry. You're like, oh, Kevin's crying. I can't really care about Billy. I don't want to be a heartless monster. I won. I teared up a bit. I shed tears for Billy.

I came close. I came close to getting teary for Billy. I actually really felt bad for him by the end. I feel bad for Maxine. I feel bad for Max and her brother, but I don't give a shit about Billy. I shed a tear when he didn't smash out Mrs. Wheeler. That was the most disappointing thing I've ever seen in my life. That was.

The whole series of events. I was like, damn, Traitor Things is – we're getting salacious up in here. That little minx is going to go fuck a high school kid. So let's start with that. That happened in episode one. We're just going to kind of go through. We got some bullet points in front of us. We start off, and it looks like they're opening a portal to the Upside Down, which immediately I'm like, I'm

fucking in. Of course you idiots are going to open a portal to the Upside Down. And then they reveal that it's in Russia and it's like, oh, brilliant. We're involving Russia. How could you do an 80s show without doing a Cold War thing? And then they all fucking explode. Just like the Ark of the Covenant. And I said to Trent, before

they exploded, I was like, they're all going to, their faces are going to melt off. I was like, the sound cue is the same one from Raiders of the Lost Ark. Really? The Duffer Brothers, yeah. And Trent was like, get the fuck out of here. This is how we do in the basement. I was like, the sound cue is the exact same thing. This is going to fuck them all up.

And then it did. Yep. And then it did. I love how, too, Russians look so much like Russians. Before they ever said anything, I was like, we're in Russia. I also love how it was like some fucking atomic blast that melts your face, but if you were behind a window,

you were good. Those people were totally good. Perfect. Radiation windows or whatever. Russians all look like they're related to Dolph Lundgren. Yeah. And they're all evil.

Every single one of them. I love propaganda. Oh, it's so good, man. Especially in the 80s. Hey, check out Pop Punk's new single. It has a little bit of Russian propaganda in it.

That's your tease. Okay. Jesus Christ. A bit of a bizarre tease. We skip forward like a year and a half, like you said, and Mike and Elle

are now dating and they're in that like they're just kissing constantly. Real life kids probably having their first kisses. I don't find that like it's weird, I guess.

Well, it's not even that. It's not weird kids kissing. But like I don't get I think Casey said I don't get very uncomfortable during it. It's just like I've seen kids kiss on TV shows before. People who are reacting to this, they're the first kids to ever kiss on a TV show. I didn't get uncomfortable with the kissing at all. I got uncomfortable for Game of Thrones talk Maisie Williams.

Like when you do a sex scene or something, that makes me uncomfortable. But two kids the same age don't kiss kissing. I don't give a shit about that. Maisie Williams didn't make me uncomfortable either. Mike is just the weirdest looking fucking kid in the world. My dick, like, curled back up into my stomach. Finn Wolfhard or whatever, he, I don't know, he just weirds me out. His face, his hair, his gangly existence.

You want to know something really bizarre that I realized watching this season? I've seen Finn Wolfhard and Galen, whatever his name is, both on stage at pop punk shows. I saw Finn Wolfhard open up for All Time Low, and I saw Dustin get on stage with Paramount. You guys have ruined... Nah, you were just stoned, and you thought they were. No, no, no. It's really them. You've ruined...

Your band has ruined pop punk. I know. You say pop punk. I'm like, they were on stage at your show? Oh, no, no. I feel like I've been to all the pop punk shows. They definitely weren't there. You guys had an awesome show in Boston, I guess, because. I feel like I've been to all the pop punk shows. They definitely weren't there. You guys had an awesome show

in Boston, I guess, because that's the one I've been to. So then the hopper has an issue with them dating and them kissing and wants to leave three inches. I wanted to ask this. We have two fathers in the room

that both have daughters. Were you watching this being like, oh, fuck? Oh, yeah. Big time. Very, very much so. Was this like eye-opening? Three inches is a great little mantra.

Yep. At the end when it's so, so sentimental, people were saying, I love you 3,000, and three inches are like the phrases of love of the moment. And the Russo brothers, did you see what they posted? It was like a meme of shaking hands, and they're like, Russo brothers, Duffer brothers, and meeting in the middle is making fans cry i didn't uh yeah i mean it's i i thought that was a little bit uh a little bit hacky a little like stereotypical like i'm the overly angry dad but also fuck it i mean you know it was cute it was funny yeah i i do think the one thing they did a good job of and i didn't realize people were so upset about the kids kissing thing i i missed that whole thing but uh i'm sure not upset but. Not upset, but just like weirded out by it. Yeah, yeah, weirded out by it.

But I think they did a good job with the relationships. When Max is like, oh, no, you're going to dump his ass and just stuff like that. And I think the way that kids are – it's tough for the kids. It's tough for the parents. Like Sienna is holding hands and they're kissing and they have to move kids from daycare because they're coupling off. Oh, yeah, Sienna's got a boyfriend. She has a boyfriend. And I found out his parents are Mets daycare because they're coupling off. Oh, yeah. She's got a boyfriend. She has a boyfriend. And I found out that his parents are pretty cool.

We leave the government names out here. Chaps is literally calling out people in his daycare that he hates. I try to leave the names out that Sienna's kissing. But it's a fucking. And I do like put myself in those shoes like three inches. Like that is a good rule of thumb at the very least. It sucks, dude. We're in trouble, dude. I three inches like that that is a good ruled thumb at the very least it sucks dude we're in trouble dude i didn't like all like i feel like copper because of that and everything else he's done people say like his character was ruined i i found really i didn't see this is just when people say this is actually this is in twitter this is a av club article

and they say that he's like an overbearing and it ruined what made him so special in season one. Which I see what they're saying. Where in season one he was the hardened guy who took no shit and then he broke as the season went. Whereas this season he's just back to being a hard guy and really had no breaks. I don't know. I thought they changed him. I thought he became much funnier and much – like I thought of Hopper previously as like hardened and badass

and depressing, a little bit dark and brooding. And this was like Hawaiian shirt, acid-washed jeans, kind of funny dad, like angry but like being funny about it, a lot more like the scene where the scientist was going to drive away and he thinks he's right. You don't know what – it was very comedic. But he almost looked like the dummy for a second. You know what I mean? Yeah.

It was very like Miami Vice, like 80s type. Kind of like that. I feel for Hopper. And I thought he used to be more like this dark character who went through such a terrible thing. And, and now maybe it's because L was in his life and maybe he got a little bit of that back, but he was a little more, a little more comedic. Did you like that better or worse?

Uh, I like, if I had to pick, I like the, the, I think the more meaningful side of him is, you know, the,

the like depressed and brooding. I like it worse. He looked cool and it made me laugh and shit. Once you've done it and once you've come out the other side, you can't do it again. He's come out the other side. He got a daughter. He lost his daughter. That's what led to all those problems.

He got a new daughter. And now he's going through the regular daughter. Yeah. I think it's a natural progression. With a fucking goofball, too. Let's call Mike what he is. Like you said, he's a natural progression. With a fucking goofball, too. Like, let's call Mike what he is. Like you said, he's a goddamn goofball. Yeah, and when you set up the entire progression where the season ends, I think making Hopper a little more sentimental and a little more, like, goofy and fun-loving makes that letter so much more meaningful.

But he goes to Joyce. I didn't find him that goofy and fun-loving. I thought there were parts that he did that were goofy, but I found him to be angry. You know what? Yeah, I guess that's fair because he does, like, come home drunk when she's with Max in the room. He thinks, like, Mike's in there. He goes in barging in. Yeah.

He is kind of goofy in that scene, though, I guess, right afterwards. He's like, oh, your parents know? I thought they made him look, like, silly, like he can't express his emotion. Like, when he's, like, ranting to Winona Ryder. Because he has to go to Joyce, yeah. He didn't seem like a dark character to me. It seemed like I'm the dad who doesn't know what to do. He seemed less in control this time around, whereas he was the police authority with life experience.

Now he was like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing with this girl. I hate this boy. What do I do? I'm dressed weird now. He was eating snacks. He loved that convertible. To me, it was a lot lighter this time. Having an 11-year-old that can kick your ass must be a fucking sobering thing, too.

She could just murder you if she wants. Yeah. Three inches, no rope. Close the door. Yeah. Yeah. So Dustin gets back from science camp, and he starts telling everyone about his girlfriend, Susie.

It's a very My Real Girlfriend feel from Dustin's whole story. Did you ever think that she wasn't real? Yes. Really? Well, I thought for a second. I was praying that she was real. I thought for a second, but then I was like, no because he tells everyone how great this Cerebro ham radio is. And I was like, he wouldn't tell everyone how state-of-the-art and great it was if he knew

someone wasn't going to pick up on the other line. So I was like, alright, she probably is real. And then I thought like she's going to be this smoke show, which like in hindsight, she was going to be a 12 year old. Yeah. Well, he describes her as Phoebe Cates, who was like the hot shit from that era. Yeah. But he's like, she's as smart as this and as pretty as Phoebe Cates.

So they go up and he tries to reach her and he can't. And you get the classic Mike and Eleven, like making an excuse to get away from the group and everyone's annoyed with that. Also, Max and what's-his-nots that are dating, they're such friends. It doesn't seem like they're dating. Didn't seem very romantic. That's the best kind of couple. I would say that's the couple you see. They're not rubbing on your face.

We dodged a bullet. I forgot a few times that they were even dating. I was like, oh, shit, they're a couple. But then Nancy has like a Lois Lane type gig with her boyfriend's a photographer now, and Nancy is all four of us. Nancy is unbelievable. She's the best in the business. She really is.

She is as good as a guest. I don't care how old she's supposed to be playing. She's old enough, and she's fucking great. Old enough, the best in the business. Rachel McAdams in Wedding Crashers is always the gold standard in my book in terms of like – but Nancy Wheeler is touching that point, and it's not an easy point to get to. I was just furious with everyone at that newspaper. Oh, it's like you misogynistic pig.

I know. Listen to the woman. Listen to her. She's got good ideas. She's more than just a coffee delivery machine. She saved the world 18 months ago. Say Nancy Drew one more time. One more time, motherfucker.

So now here's where we get to the big thing is Starcourt. There's a new mall in town. And I forgot that malls didn't exist at one point. It's crazy to me to think that. That was the first thing I thought. I go, oh, my God. I can't even imagine. We grew up with them and when

you're old enough to go to the mall, but like, imagine being like a teenager, it's like, oh yeah, there's this place where you just are going to go every Friday night with your friends and just be an absolute monster. Be, must exist. And I used to do that too. I actually don't know if malls, it might be the least believable thing about the show. I don't know if malls ever existed in

rural Indiana. I don't know about that. It's a little much. Neon lighting. Let's not push it. I guess the Star Court mall t-shirts are fine. You got a t-shirt? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. I'll get one of those. But the power goes out in the mall. It's all, you know, obviously we're like, all right, shit's going down. And on the other side of town, Billy, the lifeguard, is now just making every single woman around the pool wet as ever. And it ain't from the chlorine. I'll tell you that.

There's a great scene of a bunch of moms fixing their makeup when they know his shift is about to show time. Yeah. Show time. And he comes out and he starts talking up Mrs. Wheeler. She's like nice and super sweet. Who's in this hot neon one piece. I love when she's walking around with the high heels too.

It's just like so sweet. I've said and this is probably born of porn, but like nothing says fuck me more than a bathing suit and high heels. That's kind of how every porn starts. It's very like Vegas pool party. You're wearing like stilettos even though you're at the pool.

Makes no fucking sense. And he just quickly convinces her to fuck. Oh, yeah. Very quickly. Well, that is because Mr. Wheeler is just the biggest fucking cuck on the planet. How did he get her? I don't know. Is it the dick?

Is it the bank account? He's got a hammer. What is it? They had done such a brilliant job of making that guy be the wettest blanket. He's always literally unconscious. He's always asleep. The glasses, the hair, the clothes, the demeanor.

The very few times he speaks, it's always completely useless or like, I don't know, I can't do anything. This is hitting hard right now for me. I'm going to have to watch my wife when she goes to the community. This is sounding like me in my life right now. I am Mr. Wheeler. I am Mr. Wheeler.

Fuck. But the power goes out at the mall all while Billy is going over to fuck Miss Wheeler at this motel and he gets hit with something. He gets dragged inside this windmill and then Dustin picks up a Russian transmission all at the end of the episode and we're like, alright, we're into Stranger Things.

Here we go. Chapter 2, The Mall Rats. Billy gets dragged into the Upside Down. He encounters his doppelganger. Now here's where I got confused. I had to text Kevin last night because for a long time I was like, does everyone have a clone in the Upside Down? Or are these demons just taking over regular bodies?

I thought originally that somehow Billy got dragged into the Upside Down and then an evil clone of him from the Upside Down came out. So he was stuck there, but he wasn't. Were you guys confused about that or no? I was confused. Like to fast forward into the season, the scene where Billy's eating dinner at their house.

I was like, is this in the real world or the Upside Down world? Are these people possessed? Are they acting? Is it a dream? When that was all just like, yeah, they went there and they're having dinner and it's pouring rain and Maxine is just trying to talk to her brother. That was all like very strange to me. But that's when I realized that these are people in the real world who are possessed.

And that scene did remind me of Us a lot. If you guys saw Us, the scene where they attack the parents with that wine bottle and there's like music playing. They're kind of all like – it was Us and it was Get Out, which are two Jordan Peele movies. But the maid from Get Out, like that just glossed over look, that's what that reminded me of. Here's in episode two where Elle spies on Mike, which made me so nervous. I was like, do not spy on people. This is a bad precedent to set. I was like getting really nervous in my living room when this was going on.

She dumps his ass. I dump your ass! I dump your ass. Nancy and Jonathan follow up on her lead. They find this Miss Driscoll, the story that she originally wanted to do. They find her. She's got one of the crazy rats that's just fucking exploding in her basement.

I hated that scene. More than any scene. The rats exploding scene? Just, I mean, oh, I don't want to talk about it. Skip forward. It was so, like, rats disturb me more than anything in the world. I'm more scared of rats probably than, it's not even like I'm scared of them. Well, yeah, I am scared of them eating me too. But just like, just seeing them, like, I feel like Kevin was showing me a video today of a bunch of rats on the subway or something like that and i was like i freaked out i ran away

it turns out it was a video of two crackheads suck a dick um you'd rather watch the video it was crazy aggressive i was totally fine with that but the like if there were like three rats i would have freaked the fuck out so like you're talking like someone that lived in an abandoned house that had rats you were scared of. Sure did. Here's a question for you because me and Trent have debated this. Would you rather have cockroaches in your apartment or a mouse? A mouse.

We said a mouse definitely, but fights are you like bugs? See, I've never had cockroaches, at least not visible ones. Although I do believe cockroaches, as gross as they are, are a very clean bug, whereas vermin is very bad for you. I also don't find cockroaches disgusting. They're my rats. They're my worst fear overall. I've experienced living with a rat, one single rat who I gave my home to. These things are great.

And I also love. These are great devices to use in a show like this. Yes. Rats give people the fucking creeps. As soon as the rats start exploding in that scene, me and Trent were like, holy fuck. I can't believe it. And the special effects budget on season three was ramped the fuck up. The way those –

Oh, my god. The goo. It grows into the monsters. Yes. And when they were exploding, I was like, what fucking geniuses the Duffer Brothers are in using rats? Like this is the most believable thing in this universe that the disease would carry over. This is where Hopper acts Joyce on a date. She ditches him to go check out the fucking magnets.

I hate to say this. Listen, I love Winona Ryder. She's damaged goods in this universe. You just can't date Winona Ryder anymore. I'm sorry. She's hung up on Rudy. Nah, but they got that, I guess, yes, Rudy. She is, she's gone through too much.

She's just always going to be the most paranoid person on all. Yeah, I think as a rule, anyone whose son's been possessed by aliens slash monsters. And speaking of her son. And he fucking sucks. He is the worst. He is so bad in this season. I hate him. You know who he is?

He's Doug from The Hangover. He's so bad in this season. I hate him. I hate Will. I hate him. You know who he is? He's Doug from The Hangover. He's just like, get off the screen, Will. Every time he was on the screen, I was just like, he was in the Upside Down for too long, and his friends moved on. His friends grew up while he was in there, and they're kind of just like, I think, me and Trent were talking about it. I think if Will died, they would all be like, oh, well. Thank God.

I don't mind Will. As a character. You're a fucking loser. I don't. If he was in you're a fucking loser I don't if he was in my friend group I'd be like dude stop being so weird but as a character

I don't mind him at all so let's just talk about this now did they reveal Will is gay in this season or Noah Schaap said that his character's sexuality is

open to interpretation which I didn't think at all I took his neither did I but Trent was like I think he's gay yeah good for him then because that is they did say, but Trent was like, I think he's gay. Yeah, good for him then, because they did say that. They were definitely seeing where I thought so as well.

I thought it was more immaturity and how to go through puberty. Because that doesn't make sense to me. If you're gay, you understand someone ditching your friends for a romance. Correct. It's not that he didn't understand girls versus boys. It was that he's like, why don't you want to play Dungeons and Dragons anymore? I think maybe he's a 12-year-old who's not gay. He's still like, like you said,

it's up for interpretation. I think it's up for interpretation to Will, too, where he's still like, what is different about me? Yeah. He's still not. Well, when I saw his outfits, I knew he was a big old gay ball. Now he's a 12-year-old in 2019, I'd be like, yo, I'm gay. Whereas in 85, you're like, what the hell is this? Right.

What do I feel right now? I interpreted it at first as he was gay, but then obviously once we'll get to the actual gay character coming out, I then said, I think Will's button is just off right now. And he, like once you get, like you said, once you see Tristratus or whoever your person was that turns you on and stable your cool. Your activator, yeah. Yep, your activator. Yeah, you're activator. Yeah, that's I think he's still been on activated. But again, I vote for the people who get very angry about this stuff to debate.

Right. Speaking about that gay character, we check in with Steve and Robin, which I love. I read that they named her Robin. I don't know if this is true or not, because Steve used a bat in all of season two. So it's Batman and Robin. Oh, wow. I love it! These guys are the best!

I mean, if that's true, that's just such... That's Roan thinking. That's like Roan-level, next-brain thinking. And they're working at Scoops Ahoy, which is just such a funny backdrop and aesthetic for this entire season.

And they helped Dustin translate the sentence he heard over the Russian transmitter. As soon as they were doing this, it was like, I love this show. There's a lot of unrealistic things. You would never be able to translate a Russian sentence off a ham radio. Yeah, but this is not the show to do that. I guess so, yeah. You know, the only thing I didn't like about this season?

I thought running it back with Steve and Dustin being paired off, like they did in season two, was just kind of like, you could have paired someone else else off or they could have all been together in the group. But Dustin and Steve don't have – I mean Steve and anyone else don't have that kind of relationship. These basically are the two friend groups. They – like that relationship was so funny the first time around because it was the biggest of the nerds with the cool guy like juxtaposed together that they could have done something like that again they could have done i would have found they could have done something with will or something like a character that actually could have used a little more development or just something different i felt like i was just watching the same formula over again yeah i think it would be tricky because if they didn't pair

them up people would be like why didn't you pair up our favorite duo from season two but again if you do you kind of go over a retread or it's not the same dynamic as they had. But also, who do you pair up instead? Because the other two are couples. Yeah, I don't know. And there's also they faced like almost the Avengers issue in that there's so many characters in the show now. And you have to fit all of their time in because now there's, you know, they added so many in season two. They added Robin in season three.

They added a few more. So I guess they had to fit everyone in. They got to split them up into groups. Erica's going to be the goddamn lead next season. Yeah, he might be. Did you know that that Robin is, who is Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman's kid? And I was like, oh, shit. And then, like, you see her face.

You're like, that's Ethan Hawke and that's Uma Thurman. I can definitely see Uma. But I'm with you, though, Robbie. I didn't know that. Gary Busey's brother is also in this season. Really? And that's who my third. I can definitely see who my third is. And I'm with you, though, Robbie. I didn't know that. Gary Busey's brother is also in this season. Really? And he's the guy from the newsroom that's super misogynistic to what's-her-nuts, where he's the guy that looks like Gary Busey. And I was like, who is this guy?

I was like, I can't believe he's Epcot because he's, like, older than that. But I was like, that's definitely an 80s person. Gary Busey was a fucking hell of an 80s person. Shout out to Wesley from Princess Bride. Yes. The Black Pirate. Dread the Black Pirate. I agree with you, Robbie. of any of these people. Shout out to Wesley from Princess Bride. Yes. The Black Pirate. Dread the Black Pirate.

I agree with you, Robbie. I personally didn't like the learning Russian because I feel like there was a puzzle every season. The first season was the lights. The lights were school. The second year was her with the drawings.

And then it was like we learned Russian. Yeah. And like it threw us a bit much. I personally didn't like it but like whatever. And throughout the entire thing

I was like imagine being a patron at Scoops Ahoy. These kids do not work at all. You will be in line for so long. Like, I would be like, there's two people working here. Like, one of you is in the back. Did you like the little black girl? Yeah, I thought she was really funny.

Did you guys like her? That's what it says. Erica's going to be the star. Oh, yeah. I didn't realize her name. I love Erica. I just, I would have liked – I like my OG people. I want more of them.

See, but I like Maxine too and I like Billy and I like the people they added in season two. So it's like I guess I have to leave the door open if I want to like new characters. I think I lumped her in with everything I didn't like in the show. I just go, it's an 80s trope. The crazy, funny kid, the Russian that I don't like. It's just an 80s thing. I can't believe anyone didn't like her. I loved I just go, it's an 80s trope. The crazy, you know, funny kid, the Russian that I don't like, it's just an 80s thing. I can't believe anyone didn't like her.

I loved her. I thought she was so funny. I thought she fit in perfectly. I thought she was fantastic. I liked her a lot. I thought all of her, like, sample, give me a sample of this,

give me a sample of that, and her being like, why? Why can't you give me a sample? Operation Child Endangerment. Yeah. That was funny as shit. Yeah, super funny.

And at the end of episode two, the other lifeguard gets killed by Billy, basically, or not killed, but dragged to the shed for the monster to cover. It was gross. Yes. And he was like, it was real creepy. He's like, it's going to present itself to you. And this is where the season of domestic violence started. It'll be over soon.

There were so many dudes hitting girls in this season. It was crazy. Well, he's not a dude. He's an alien slash monster. Yeah. And I actually didn't. I thought when the trailer for this came out, I saw Billy kind of like whatever he said, like now we're going to reveal ourselves or whatever he said.

And I was like, oh, if they're going to make Billy the monster, I'm not going to like it. Because I thought it would have been the monster in other seasons had been the cute kid, right? I mean, it was Eleven, who was at least not the monster, but whatever. The supernatural being. The weird person. And then it was Will, who was just kind of, again, this innocent little kid. And I was like, I don't think I'm going to like it with a bad guy. And I thought it was perfect.

I thought he did a great job with it. I thought the writing was awesome with it. I was very, very pleased. And fuck everybody who responded to my tweet, which was 100% of the people, saying, like, you're such an idiot. This show always uses misdirection in the trailers. Fuck you.

They told you right out. I believe them. They did a good job. And Billy was the villain we wanted him to be last season that he never ended up really being. I do think we had to get Billy being a villain sooner or later and like just being the asshole kid isn't going to be enough in a show where there's monsters killing people.

So I'm happy he actually finally embraced it. The only thing I wish we would have got more of is regular Billy. I loved like watching regular Billy just do shit and we got demon Billy for the whole season and then he's gone. Yeah, that's true. Regular Billy. Even regular Billy just in the car. I know. It's like, goddamn, we're never going to see that fucking rock star again.

He looks like a 90s wrestler. An early 90s wrestler. The big old eyebrows, the little skinny mustache, and the mullet hair is a look. And even when it's wet when he goes in the shower in that scene. And it's just like, that's the coolest motherfucker on earth. We were talking about how the girls on the show, I was like, man, their 80s hair looks awesome. And Trent's like, but they can't wear that in real life. I was like, he better fucking wear his hair like that in real life.

I remember you were saying you weren't really sold. I'm like, yeah, Mrs. Wheeler wants you. What's this look? I think Billy looks ridiculous. I don't think he's a hot guy. But then Clem was like, he's the 80s, bro. Think about the rockers. Marty Jannetty and Shawn Michaels were breaking hearts back then.

The heartbreak kid. The heartbreak kid. Yeah, there he is. You walk around now with bushy eyebrows, a skinny, like, dirty Sanchez mustache, and a mullet. No one's like, you're getting me too. Swooned. No, I think it works now. Like it came back around?

Yeah. I think if you were the guy who has the balls to do that, people would be like, who is this guy? And that singular tattoo, he wears it so nice. Oh, I want to fuck Billy. I kind of want to fuck Billy. I said that to you in the text. I was like, I kind I want to fuck Billy. I kind of want to fuck Billy. I said that to you in the text. I was like, I kind of want to fuck Billy. So speaking of Billy, Eleven goes to spy on Mike, and she winds up running into Billy subduing the other lifeguard. And he kind of fades in and out, and it's the first time where people are interacting in this realm, and it's scary.

It's pretty fucking, like, everything in that dark room is scary. That had very strong Thrones vibes. Yes. That was the Night King turning around and grabbing Bran. Oh, yeah. I didn't even think about that. Good work, city. It really was.

So then it says, Nancy finds out more about the strange rap behavior she's made fun of by the men at work. I mean, that was the entire season, yeah. And, oh, this is the fucking episode where they go to that woman's house and she's just eating the dirt. Shoveling that dirt into her mouth. You didn't have to do it, right? Yeah. Fertilizer. That's when you know shit is getting real fucking weird.

And that actress was the perfect casting because you're like, she's like a, you can definitely tell she's a mean bitch, but she's old, so you feel kind of bad. And you're like, I also don't mind to see her killed. Old women scare me, like in horror movies. Little girls and old women creep me out. Chapter 2 trailer? Did you see the trailer for it too? No. The entire trailer is just like this creepy old woman.

She runs out naked. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So creepy. And this is where Will has his fucking temper tantrum over D&D. Shut up, bro. Trying to get hand jobs.

And it was a super funny way of Mike to do it. He was like, yeah, we sacrifice ourselves. We win. The campaign's over. And he fucking cried or something. Will's such a dickhead. Although I was watching it. I was like, i think it was the will of my friend i wasn't gonna say i was gonna grab you i feel like you were well no yeah i'm pretty sure i was the will of my friend group but looking back at like i was a pussy too fuck me the guy hosting

people in his mom's basement in the show i felt so bad for him he He's so excited. He worked the whole thing. He's got the costume on. But seeing shit like that now makes me mad that I was ever kind of mean to that friend. Something like that. John was a bully. I wasn't a bully. John was a bully Billy. I wasn't a bully. I'm Steve Harrington. We've established this.

John, stop hitting Kevin. Stop hitting Kevin. So this is the episode where the whole dinner scene goes down and they attack the parents and we move on to – I thought that was an incredible scene. So did I. I really liked that scene. Both scenes involving just like the zombie them with the parents and when we talk about it with Maxine. I thought those were two of my favorite scenes non-fight scenes.

And the way Millie Bobby Brown, who I think after the season is probably the best actress on the planet, and whoever plays Max, the way they played their confusion in that scene was awesome because they were trying to figure it out. And then as kids, they're like, we saw her, so she's fine. I guess we were wrong about that. The way they leave everything out. You know what I didn't like with Elle is the way she talked all slow and confused about

normal human shit. The way she was in the gap and she was like what is style? What is me? I didn't like that. I guess her vocabulary is growing. They're trying to show. I know what they're doing but I just

didn't think. It felt like it was like forced to me. It was like when she's just raw reacting and emotion, she's an amazing actress. I felt like when it was like I'm doing this like I'm a half alien kid who doesn't know anything. It's like, but you do know things now. You have a boyfriend and you've been – you're playing and you have friends. And then they laid it on thick that she is like not normal. I guess it is – if we think about it, first of all, I do agree with you both, I think she probably only did that three or four times, and every time she did it, I was like, eh,

weird. But I think I blamed that on the writing more than the acting. And second of all, I guess we're kind of really pressuring her, because it's been, what, two years since she got out of a dungeon for the first time in her life? She's still learning. She's still learning. She's still learning things. Definitely still learning. But it did stick out nonetheless.

And if they took the leap and they were just like, she knows English now, nobody would bat an eye. Yeah, right. That would have been fine. I guess she learned. She learned very quickly. This is where Billy and Heather take their parents to the mill. They get possessed. They start growing the monster.

And Nancy and Jonathan get fired by Tom. And me and Trent were cracking up at this scene because we were like, oh, he doesn't fucking know he's firing those people. He's going to come in when he's non-possessed on Monday and just be like, where's my coffee? You fired the person that gets your coffee. So we were like, that's actually kind of funny.

He's going to have to go through the mind and be like, who did I fire while I was possessed by a demon, the Demogorgon? And this is where Eleven and Max reunite with the boys because Will has the sensing. And that night everyone traps Billy in this sauna. And this is sneaky. Maybe like a top three scene in the show for me, in season three for me, where Billy, he kind of starts to get the demon taken out of him. And he's crying to Max and he's saying, I swear it's not my fault, it's not my fault, it's not my fault.

And you realize the whole time he's just fucking playing her. He's grabbing a shard, like Breaking Bad style. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that entire scene, me and Trent were looking at each other. We were like, these are two incredible actors. They're crying in each other's faces, and then they get into that fight, and Eleven and Billy get into a straight war out in the pool, and it's amazing. Yeah, it was a great fight.

There's a couple good battle scenes when Elle's fighting the monster, like coming through the house when they first fight, and then versus Billy. Those are like— I'm going home to watch this again tonight. I fucking love this show. You're going to be all laid out, too. You stick stuff up your bitch. The way Elle will throw you against the wall, with. Like, she's pulling in two different directions. Awesome choreograph.

And Will also tried to destroy, I forgot about this, he tried to destroy, like, his little hut because he got mad at his friend group. He was such a pussy destroying the hut. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Castle Byers. That was tough to see. Is he British or something?

He's never held it back. He's never held it back. That was. Never held it. That was really tough. I said. You never know these days. Like, everyone's fucking British if you're an actor.

I would just run into that thing like a bowling ball and kind of just like back first. I would just run into it, back first. And then Hopper gets attacked by this Russian who has the fighting ability of Bruce Lee and the Terminator put together. I thought he was going to be fake, like supernatural. He was so strong. He was choking people out, throwing people around. I thought straight Terminator. Very big Arnold vibes, very T2 vibes.

You know, Bob's never seen Terminator 2. Yeah. And neither has – Fights hasn't seen any Terminator, but that's Fights. Bob has never seen T2, which a lot of people consider like the best sci-fi movie ever. Ever. Do you even understand the hashtag Terminator Cameron movement that we've been plugging here, Bob? He made the Terminator. All of them.

I'm going to choose to say something that I didn't want to say in this episode. We're going to have to say it. It's just I'm going to put it all out on the table. This is the worst thing I've ever said on my mom's basement. Holy shit. Never seen Back to the Future. I've seen that one. You're lucky Super Rooster That's literally Kevin's favorite movie.

You're such a fucking rat. Because I said before, like, I said to you, like, when they put Back to the Future in there. I know. I was like, I can't say. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Back to the Future. Fuck yeah. Like, yeah, I know, man. I rolled it off my shoulder.

And then, yeah, I've never seen it. That is reprehensible. This is stolen valor. My mom's basement. Let's take this shit over. You can do the Mets podcast. I'm a nerd. Look at me. I'm a nerd valor My mom's basement Let's take this shit over You can do the Mets podcast I'm a nerd I'm a nerd

Look at me I'm a nerd in my mom's basement You don't know Marty McFly You don't know Doc Brown You don't know 1.21 gigawatts No You don't know 88 miles an hour You don't know

The fucking Great Sports All-Man Act There's so many great things In this entire franchise Robert It's the gold standard For time travel rules, man. Space-time continuum.

You don't even understand Endgame, do you? You don't even get any of that. Oh, wow. You don't even get it. Turn it on Endgame now. I'm just disgusting. I hate it to have to do it, but you know what? This is an honest place.

Holy shit. What are you doing tonight? Should I watch Back to the Future tonight? No, no, no. It's not should. Should I? Can I? Maybe should I? I'll watch Back to the Future tonight. You will no, no. It's not should. Should I? Can I? Maybe should.

I'll watch Back to the Future tonight. You will. I promise you. We're recording this on Friday. I need a debrief. I will. You need to text me to prove to me what happens at the end or something. All right.

I'll watch Back to the Future tonight. Dead fucking serious. And two by the end of the weekend. Three, I'm pretty lax. You actually have to watch one and two right away. It's one big movie. Yeah, you have to. All right.

That's your penance. Whatever. Back to back, you have to watch one and two in one sitting. All right. All right. I'll do like one and two right away. Like just, it's one big movie. Yeah, you have to. All right. That's, that's your penance. Whatever. Back to back, you have to watch one and two in one sitting. All right. All right. I'll do it tonight. Our friendship relies on it, Rob. Hopper recalls seeing the Russian man that attacked him, Grigori, previously meeting

with Mayor Klein. And they, they forced Klein to reveal that he works for the owners of Starcourt. They beat the shit out of the mayor. And this is where Hopper really goes. He's just like, all right, I don't give a shit what my job is. I'm. They beat the shit out of the mayor. And this is where Hopper really goes. He's just like, all right, I don't give a shit what my job is. I'm going to beat the shit out of the mayor. This is what I mean more with the angry stuff. I didn't see – I did not see Hopper as a funny character.

I thought there were funny scenes, but I thought largely throughout the season he was an angry man. Yeah. Yeah. Now, like that is – We both agree on it. All three of you guys are talking about how funny he was. Now, like, that is... We both agree on this. All three of you guys were talking about how funny he was. No, no, no. But I do think he had this moment where he had been pushed to the limit.

And I was like, oh, this is that guy. I feel like the cop and the big, like, the man who can, like, save them. But I thought he looked like a goof the whole season. He was never in control. He was never, like... Goof or no goof. He was never, like, ahead of the game. He was always kind of like...

I thought he was, like, kind of... I thought he was just goof. He was never ahead of the game. He was always kind of like... I thought he was kind of... I thought he was just angry. He was always angry. I think funny things might have happened to him, but he was always angry or fighting with somebody. Well, yeah, he might be angry, but I'm saying he never... The only time he was ever right, they even laid it on thick that

he was about to be wrong, was when the scientist had to stay. His logic was right, but everyone was looking at him like, you're a fucking idiot. I said, you're a fucking idiot? How do you feel now? And then I got played myself. I was screaming at him. Screaming at my TV like,

you idiot! Let me know now! Next level. Fair enough. You're the cop and I'm not. Going back to the Russian, I really did not like that Russian. But again, I lumped this all into like 80s tropes. It's like, is he Batman? He has a rule against killing people because like he just let all these people live. He could have just blown their brains out or just like choked them to death.

And he just kept like, all right. And then he'd just walk. He'd always like Michael Myers would walk and get there no matter what happened. He'd always end up in the wrong place at the right time. I just hated the Russian. But again, I really – that's why I really... The Russian was Terminator, right? Not Michael Myers. No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying, but like...

When Carly Elwes or whatever it was, Bear Kline, said Arnold Schwarzenegger, I was like, wait, wasn't it Arnold Schwarzenegger? Yeah. I hated, by the way, when Hopper, when he had the fucking bulletproof vest on. Hopper used to blow that guy's head off. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I always shoot him in the head. He shot him a thousand times. Yeah. Just like, come on. One had to get through. But again, it was Stranger Things 3, 80s trope edition. And again, that's why it's a B- in my book is because I basically wrote everything I didn't like about this season into like, that's just part of how it was in the 80s.

Michael Myers was an 80s trope. He's just unkillable. Yeah. The way he walks slowly. Jason Voorhees-esque. So here's where they bring Die Hard into the fold. Eh, you don't have to. They enlist Erica to help break into

the storeroom through the vents and finding out too late is an elevator takes them deep below them. Oh no, they go into the elevator then, yeah. And they go way deep below and the cliffhanger at the end of this episode is Billy takes Heather back to the mill, and the whole town is zombified. Not the whole town, but they have dozens and dozens and dozens of people,

almost like the final scene of The Prestige, where they zoom out and you see all the fucking people that Wolverine has killed. Were you guys looking for, like, funny, like, I was like, where's Barb, that dumb bitch? Oh, I was thinking about her. Fuck Barb. Fuck Barb to hell. I'll say that. I'm glad they didn't reference her in this season. The whole people acting like she was important was the dumbest thing.

We talked about it last time. Shut up with Barb. Shut up. Justice for Barb. I think that was the answer. Fuck you. Shut up. No, this is one of the few times in the world.

Defamation for Barb. That's my new hashtag. I'm glad there was no justice. Was this the scene where we're seeing the whole town come down into the basement and become the monster? Or is that later? Later. Okay. Later.

That was awesome. Yeah. One thing that bothered me with the mall was these guys, everyone's fucking strapped to the nines, yet they don't see the kids with the fucking binoculars just staring at them. I just texted my brother that you've never seen Back to the Future. What he said? I dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. I just texted my brother that you've never seen Back to the Future. What he said? I dot dot dot dot dot. I just don't know what to say.

I mean, I'm sorry. Carry on. I promise you I'll watch it tonight. I'll watch it tonight. Both of them. Back to the Future 1 and 2. I don't even know if you deserve it. And you're going to get a tattoo of Back to the Future.

We'll see. I mean, actually, with me, that tattoo would be fire. With me, that's probably a fucking. Oh, a flux capacitor. Maybe I'll get a flux capacitor tattoo. What if we all got matching back to the future tattoos? Be kind of sick. I'd do that.

Hopper enjoys discover one of the abandoned properties has a hidden laboratory. And this is where we meet Dr. Alexi, who was one of the people that helped build the key to the upside down. That big thing that was trying to open a gate. And he speaks only Russian. So they have to go to Murray, who I was delighted to see. I didn't think we were going to see him this season I was like oh shit that was another thing where I was like oh they're really just running it back again but I like

that character yeah and you're bringing it that was where they kind of flipped the dynamic where he was hosting the kids last time and now he was kind of the kid where they were like we're using your house like we don't care what you say about it and Grigori follows Grigori tries to follow and he loses the trail Dustin Steve Robin and Erica hide from the Russian men unloading the boxes from the elevator.

And now they're just in a Russian base under Starcourt. And this was one of the funniest set designs I've ever seen because it was so night and day from everything else in the show. And I was like, of course the Russians are just – everything's gray. Nothing's neon. Everything has like metal walls, metal floors, metal grates. I thought that was really funny. And attempting to find a communications room, the four discover a large testing area where they are trying to actually open the portal. So that was like the first time our characters were really realizing what was going on.

Nancy and Jonathan meet with Will and the others. They confirm their experiences from the previous night. And they all go to the hospital. I believe this is where – right? I want to have seen that. Yeah, I believe this is the others. They confirm their experiences from the previous night, and they all go to the hospital. I believe this is where... What a scene, though. Yeah, I believe this is the episode. The monster in the hospital is scary as fuck. I didn't think Nancy was gonna

die, but I was like... When it's closing in on her, yeah. She's trapped, and it's coming through the grate of the door and under the door, and I was like, she's gotta get out of this, but I don't know how. That's such an awesome scene too where Elle just blows the door off that place, gets it

fucking boom, boom, boom, up off the walls, off the ceiling, off the floor and then, or no, that doesn't even happen yet because that's early in the next episode right? Because in this one you just see it and all the lights go out in the hallway and you're like, oh fuck, what's going on? So that's what happens at the very beginning of the next episode.

Murray starts translating the Russian shit. And there's very funny scenes with Dr. Alexei in this strawberry cherry slurpee. And the icy cup with the polar bear. I was like, holy shit, we haven't seen that in forever either. Alexei is almost, I know we just said fuck Barb. Alexei is almost the Barb of this. Yes. I like Alexei. I like Alexei. I don't Alexi is almost the Barb of this. Yes. I like Alexi.

I like Alexi. I don't dislike him. I thought he was fine. But he is now the beloved character. He's the one everyone likes and they root for. He's an evil fucking commie. Fuck Alexi. That's true.

Okay. That is true. Because when you said he's the Barb, I was like he is like the one that everyone loves. But I love Alexi and now you've kind of poisoned me on Alexi because he's a bad boy. I enjoyed him. I thought he was funny and cute when he died. I was like, oh, that's a shame. But at the end of the day, he's an evil fucking commie who is trying to open up the Upside Down.

And beat America to doing it. Yeah. You want to hear something that fucks you up? Do you think that's what their goal is? To beat America to open the Upside Down? Or is it to open the upside down under America and let that run it? I'm not really sure because they mentioned in season two,

and I didn't remember this, I saw someone else bring it up, that there was a race with the Russians. I think they're trying to do the space race, but with the upside down. That's what I think, just because apparently there was a throwaway line, like, well, we got to beat the Russians to it.

Oh, okay, I didn't hear that, but yeah. What were you going to say, Clem? No, the thing on Reddit I saw kind of broke my heart is they said like if Alexei lived one more week, he would have been alive for the free 7-Eleven slushies. Oh, man. That was a big thing yesterday. Oh, that fucking hurts. Oh, man.

I think even Netflix was tweeting that yesterday. Oh, really? Yeah, the account. So this was a really cool scene where Eleven tries to find out where the Mind Flayer is and she accesses, like, Billy's old memories on this beach with his mother

and the special effects were insane. You see this giant red storm on the end of the beach and she finds out that it's the mill. You guys get Inception vibes on that? That was the first thing that came to mind.

Oh, 1000%. Yeah, right? That's exactly what I was thinking. And the way they, like, filmed the scene, if you look closely, like, it looked like they filmed it, like, with actual film where it was, the screen was kind of grainy and it looked different than everything else in the show.

I thought that was so cool. Yeah, I definitely noticed that. That was like Robin with his granular eyes. I love it. And then here is where all of the people go down and it forms that giant monster. Now that I'm thinking back, I did notice that. I did. I think I did. I was like, it looks different right now.

I thought it was special effects. I didn't know what it was. If you go back and watch it and just when Eleven is walking on the beach, look at the sky. That's where you can really tell. Bob! Yeah. Yeah, it's like a 35 millimeter green and it's awesome. Artie John over here. Artie Kudelberg. When Billy

is like, you let us in and now we're going to come kill you and your friends and we're bigger than, stronger than you and more, whatever he says, it's all very ominous

and as they're walking down to the basement and they just and then mold together. But Billy, that speech that he gives to Eleven where it's kind of like,

this is your fault that you let us to your friends and we're going to kill all of it's kind of like, this is your fault. You led us to your friends. And we're going to kill all of you. Oh, shit. And tell Micah, I was going to fuck his mom. He's actually a really great actor. We obviously just saw him on the scene as well. And that didn't jump out to me in season two.

And I think from season two to now, he power rangers was his only movie and that got canceled just yesterday yep uh they will not be rebooting that cast and i was like this guy coming into this season i was gonna be like fuck we gotta deal with him for another season he's gonna have a major role and he's not gonna be able to do this he crushed it definitely held his own yeah and uh when he grabs her when they're in memory, he also gets a vision of where she is. So now the race is on because they're coming for her, they're coming for everyone else, and we move on to Chapter 7. We're on to the final two.

And the Duffer Brothers, I looked it up, they actually did the first two of this season and the last two. So if you're wondering why the first two and the last two were the best, it's because the Duffer brothers actually had their hands on them uh and they realize that the mind flayer is coming for him will senses the mind flayer in the back of his neck oh this is where uh Steve and Robin got all drugged so they they get drugged by the Russians and after infiltrating their base and Robin kind of reveals that she was obsessed with Steve and I thought this scene was super forced and I was like like, this is awkward. The chemistry between these two isn't really there.

It's kind of weird. And then they drop a major bomb on you. And it's like, well, because she was obsessed with him because he was the guy that the girl she had a crush on had a crush on. It was funny when Steve didn't get it. That's a girl. Ooh, okay. How prevalent was that stuff in the news? Well, that's what girl oh okay how prevalent was that stuff in the news well that's what I thought was weird

I didn't think that made sense I don't think that was necessary that scene felt a little like breakfast clubby to me how they were like hanging out and kind of confessing so I was kind of like I get that but I just I don't think I don't think she was like celebrating it

like I'm out and it's open but I just – I don't think – and I mean I don't think she was like celebrating it like I'm out. No, definitely not. So it's not – but I just – I don't know. I just didn't – out of all the – how much like heavy 80s stuff we were doing. I mean there were definitely lesbians in the 80s. Yeah, of course. I just – it just seemed like a strange thing. But I mean like out lesbians.

Like it might not have been been the popular thing. Jordan Berry pulled me aside. She was saying how there was some famous – it was something like in Indiana in the 80s with a gay girl who got murdered or something that was really dark. And so she wouldn't be talking about it. So Jordan Berry said it was like she found it very historically inaccurate because she knows all about Indiana history or whatever. I don't know about all that. I just... You're like, Jordan, she's just gay. Let's take it down a notch. But I just didn't think it was... I don't know. That felt

forced to me. It was just like, and then she's gay. It was just a strange twist that I... I was so, like, uncomfortable by the first scene that when they gave me an explanation for it, I just accepted it and didn't even think about whether or not I liked it or not. I was just like, oh, okay. That makes more sense, I guess. I liked it just because I think – I just like – I like love.

Love's love, baby. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, brother. You want to come out? I will appreciate – See, I wanted them to be together. I would love for them to be a good couple. I still want to come out on my podcast.

Do you have any – do you guys have something to tell me? It would be fucking great. I would love to come out. I'd love to be gay. It would be pretty big. It would be together. I would love for them to be a good couple. I still want to come out on my podcast. Do you guys have something to tell me? It'd be fucking great. I would love to come out. I'd love to be gay. It would be pretty big. It'd be great. It would be good. I don't know if anything's going to top you not seeing any of the Back to the Future stuff. It's going to be like... You already came out. Imagine that. It's like Bob Fox hasn't seen Back to the Future

and also Clem comes out as gay on this week's Mom Moms Basement. The, um... I guess I can see what you're saying, but it's also a modernized version of the 80s. Yeah. So this is a modernized aspect of it. So Eleven has this gross-ass fucking cut on her leg from the fight with the monster. The giant monster attacks the cabin, so RIP to Hopper's cabin. That's gone.

Steve and Missy has feelings for Robin. This is when she comes out. They make their group to the fairgrounds because there's a giant 4th of July kind of family fun day type event. Do you guys have those in your towns? Me and Trent were talking about it. Trent had one. I had family fun day in my town. Yeah, we have carnivals and stuff like that.

Yeah, it wasn't in 4th of July. It was a spring thing. This was Fall River Celebrates America in August. And I'll tell you this. We had just gotten done celebrating America. We decided to throw another one in there. Those summer fairs are the lifeblood for parents. Because it's like you just need to get the fuck out of the house.

It's warm outside. And you'll just go on these shitty rides run by the dregs of society. Let's be honest here. I love the Gravitron. Oh, fuck the Gravitron. That thing made me feel horrible for days. I did it once and I was done. It was great.

Gravitron was the first scary ride I ever – if you consider that a scary ride, it was my rite of passage, I guess you could say. It was the first time I felt like a man. So seeing it – and it's in its glory. It looks nice and new because that's what it was in the end. And those fucking machines are still going around. Straight ones from the 80s. People on one from the Jersey Shore boardwalk right now.

I know for a fact. I know where it is. I rode on it, and then I felt horrible for three days. They call it the Gravitron 2000 at some point, too. And they're like, that was 20 years ago. We have to take the 2000 off of here now. Yeah. This is where Alexei gets shot by Grigori.

Kind of crazy scene. He just shoots him with a silencer. Just pops him in the chest. And he moves that stuffed animal. You see his whole stomach is bleeding. They don't make it out. So there's the mad scramble. And Eleven's getting into the fight with the monster.

And she collapses in front of everybody at the mall because of her leg. And at the beginning of Chapter 8, this is, this was my mode. This is like my rat scene. When they have to take this fucking thing out of Eleven's leg and they chop it open and fucking what's his name? That's Jonathan. He's reaching in there.

He's reaching inside the cut. Jonathan does not have much tact. He like. Oh my God. Poor, poor Nancy. I thought he was going to stab the thing. I'll use this. So did I.

With the knife. So did I. And then like dig it out. But he just slits and digs. He slits like three inches away from where the thing was. And he's like, I'll reach around your leg and I'll push it out the other side. And they also reunited like right after this, which was an amazing scene. But everything prior to this, I was like so tense and I was like squeezing my body.

Guys, please, just let 11 do it she has the fucking force yeah yeah she could pull this thing out she could probably pop it like a pimple yeah that was gross we didn't have that I throws it out that that scurries away that was crazy it was like the rat scene it's it's like in any like reality show when they just keep showing people puking it's like listen we get the deal this is a very like they're they're eating gross stuff we don't need to see the vomit in the bucket every single time. Sooner or later, just let Eleven do it. I love Steve, too. What's the kid's name?

The poor kid. The guy who's dating Nancy. Jonathan. That's how I call him. You think he's smart because he puts the blade under fire, and then everything else he does is the biggest knucklehead shit. He's like, I've seen this once before. Here we go. And this is where Hopper's group arrives.

Everyone comes together. And this is like your Avengers moment as far as Stranger Things go where it's like, here we go. Last episode, the battle at Starcourt. Like all of these also have the best like names, like the case of the missing lifeguard. That sounds like a paperback book. The battle at Starcourt. I yelped when I saw that. I was like, what a name. Oh, I know. I was like, the battle at Starcourt. I yelped when I saw that. I was like, what a name.

Oh, I know. I was like, cloud. The Battle at Starcourt. Battle, man. It was awesome. Yes. So plans are made to take Eleven to safety while Hopper, Joyce, and Murray shut off the machine. They got to go underground.

They got to shut off this machine that is opening the Upside Down. Dustin and Erica are navigating them from the radio tower, the Cerebro. And Dustin enlists Susie's help. We finally meet Susie. Fights. And this reveal was so good. them from the radio tower, the Cerebro, and Dustin enlists Susie's help. We finally meet Susie. Fights. And this reveal was so good. And they had to sing a song into that Cerebro.

Oh, my God. What was the song? I don't remember it. How did it go? Do we remember? Turn around. Look at what you see. I don't know the rest They sing this song together

And it's such a funny scene In the chaos This scene is so good And you know what I thought Watching this scene actually And watching it 1,000 more times And watching it 100 times just today I feel bad for the generation

That now has grown up without music videos. If you're an artist, I think you should debut a song with a video. Don't put it on the radio first. Here's my song. Here's my video. It makes it so much better. It enhances it. It just tells you how to feel during it.

Because when I go back and I listen to the old song or whatever, I think you told me to do that too. Terrible. The 80s version is not great. Not great. I want this song. I want back and I listen to the old song or whatever, I think you told me to do that too. Terrible. The 80s version is not great. Not great. I want this song. I want Justin and Suzy. I want a picture of this happening. It takes me to a happy place.

And this is another thing the AV Club or some other article didn't like. They were talking about how it was like. Yeah, AV Club hated this scene. Hated it. What? Not one single TV writer at the AV Club approved of this scene. Why? Because it was like.

Crazy. It was a tense moment and they needed to work quickly. Why? Because it was like, you know, it was a tense moment and they needed to like work quickly. That's why it was so good. I know. It was so good. Because everyone in that tense moment had to hear it. They were singing and hoppers pacing back and forth.

Like, what the fuck? Joyce is in the car. You can just hear the monster quietly like, as like they're coming through on the radio and everyone's like what the fuck is going on the way it backfired on dustin too because he made it go to all the people because he wanted to be known he had the girl and he's like like no not right now honey which is so great because a 12 year old girl would absolutely like she doesn't care if the

fate of the world is on the line she wants to hear you sing sing that fucking song. Sing it. I thought that was so great. The way they broke up the tense moment. He saved the world by singing fucking Never Ending Story to his girl. I can't believe that anyone didn't like it. This was like all-time Stranger Things moment over the whole series. It was definitely my favorite scene of the season. Not series, but definitely my favorite scene of the season. It was just as good as it gets.

It was absolutely incredible. The head turn from Steve, like, what is happening? The AV Club said they would have liked it if it was just as good as it gets. It was absolutely incredible. The head turn from Steve, like, what is happening? Yeah. And the AV club said they would have liked it if it was only one verse or if it was only, like, 40 seconds. It was a minute and a half. A minute and a half is so much better. Yeah.

So much better. Yeah. Because it's almost like a Family Guy joke where it's, like, comes back and they're like, yes. Like, this is hilariously ridiculous. All to figure out whatever, like, Pascal's theorem. Plank kicks. Yeah. whatever.

It was nerdy while funny and tropey all at the same time. Yeah. So Billy and the Mind Flayer trap Eleven at the mall, and then everyone else starts firing off the 4th of July fireworks at the monster. Which was another, like, he knew it was, he was like, yeah, keep making fun of my plan. Keep making fun of my plan. Oh, speaking of that, though, the fireworks. I love the supermarket scene, too, where Max is like, trust me, I skateboard.

Yeah. And stuff like that. I knew a kid growing up, Logan. He was in my band actually growing up. And he used to just say, trust me, I used to be a Boy Scout to like random shit. I used to be like, what the fuck does that mean? You were a boy. You knew how to tie knots.

He'd be like, how far away is this venue? He'd be like, a half hour. How do you know that? You look it up. He's like, I'm a Boy Scout. I would believe him 100%. My father-in-law. A kid could come here right now and be like, let's go.

We got to go. Why? I'm a Boy Scout. My brother-in-law is an Eagle Scout. And anytime it's like anything needs to be done, it's like, all right, what do we do here? How do we survive? Yeah. So Eleven awakens Billy's mind from his memories.

And Billy sacrifices himself in what we touched on a little earlier. It's a very emotional scene. Fights got himself to cry during it. Yeah. Thought his friend cried during it. It was – that was, you know, not really a joke because I did like kind of tear up because I was like, is this what Kevin was crying? But I did think that was very emotional. I do think that was like very cool.

I don't – to be totally honest, I don't understand how it happened. She like tapped into him? Like just – but she didn't really tap into him. She said to his face. She wore a white dress. I don't – nothing that was in his mind, right? That was all just reality. Yeah, yeah.

I mean she was just like reminding him of like – She's trying to pull him out of the demon by reminding him of something so crazy. I think at that point it's like 95 percent demon, but like 5% is still Billy in there. There's a little bit in there. Okay. I get that. Yeah, that's what I got. And watching Max have to be there for it.

That was good. I don't have a connection to Billy, so that didn't upset me. But thinking like this little girl was about to lose her brother is fucking whacked. Hopper fights Grigori in the gate room, and he fucking throws him into that key. And it's awesome. He just gets eaten alive by it. Yeah, that was just amazing. I love that.

And it went haywire, blocks his exit, and then he kind of gives her the nod like, all right, I guess this is what we got to do. As soon as the beam cuts off his chance to get to the door, I realized what that meant. I was like, you got to be fucking kidding me. And the fucking look he gave her with the little smile, the teary eyes, the nod. And let me just say, though. And that's where they started flowing for me. I'll tell you. That was bad.

I didn't think it could get worse. It does at the very, very end. But that was when I started. You can't do the two keys with one person. You just can't. My wife said the minute they all went down. You guys are fucking being little dickheads. No, that's like why the two-key system exists.

It is why the two-key system exists. Stupid Russian manufacturer. I mean, I'm too close. My wife said as soon as the three went down, she goes, one of them's not coming back. They're Armageddon-ing this. And I was like, at this point, I had read the spoilers on Twitter. I'm like, she's fucking right. And I was like, it's probably going to be Hopper. It was unbelievable.

I want some Armageddon shit. That's a crazy thing. I won't stand for it, Kevin.. And I was like, it's probably going to be Hopper. It was unbelievable. That was some Armageddon shit. I mean, that's a crazy thing. I won't stand for it, Kevin. My first thought was like, well, she's alone. So what is she going to, like, someone else has to be there to turn the key. And then it was just like, no, I could reach. Well, then what's the point of even having a two-key system? I think they didn't expect someone to fashion a little belt system.

Maybe they'll do, like, a Rogue One years down the line, and there's someone from the future who actually put the two-key system close together on purpose so that could happen. If you were Hop, though, wouldn't you at least try? Like give it a dive? Yeah. Because it looked like there were some rumors. Maybe he did. I'm going to stick a finger through here and see what happens.

And if that works, I'm just going to walk. I'm going to take my shoe off and put it in his thing. I'm going to try and dive through that. Well, maybe he did. Maybe he did. We didn't see a body when he went down. I was going to wait until the very end. Well, let's do the letter first.

Yeah, so he gives her the nod. That stops the mind flare. That thing collapses, gets all gooey again, fucking gross. And then as Dr. Owens arrives at the military forces, Eleven sees Joyce's expression that Hopper's gone. This was – there was a moment where it was super emotional, but also Joyce having just watched basically her father die, go over to that girl and be like, give her a hug or something. She was like worried about her own death. But I also – Can you give that girl a hug?

I don't know. That's also like she's not a normal girl. She's a fucking alien. You don't know that's also like she's not a normal girl she's a fucking alien you don't know what to say that look I can't even talk about it I'll start crying right now and you skip forward

three months later and she gives him the fucking letter from the first episode that I had completely forgotten about didn't think was important at all

yeah he had to talk with Mike I think I'm out I think I'm done with the podcast it was very end game-esque in the Tony Stark narration, you know, after the world had been saved. And Eleven's reading it. She's fucking hysterically crying.

I'm hysterically crying. Kevin's hysterically crying. A puddle. It was 2 in the morning, and I swear I thought I would wake Trent up. I was weeping so hard. I was like, oh, my God. Like, I cannot believe. And he scribbles it out.

It turns into the most beautiful letter I think ever penned to paper. Like Shakespeare move aside. Because apparently Hopper said everything that anyone's ever wanted to say to someone they loved. We watched this movie the day after Sienna started her kindergarten camp. And we left her behind. And, I mean, it was an appetizer for whatever the first day of kindergarten was going to do to me, which was going to rip my soul out Mind Flayer style.

And I said to my wife, I said, it just all came rushing back. I'm like, I'm never... Those days are gone. I'm never bringing her to daycare again. I just dropped Shay off at her mom's house. I was like, I'm turning this shit off right now. I'm done with this shit. It was fucked.

And she is now moving away out of Hawkins with the Byers because fuck Hawkins. Get out of there. What is the legality around that is? I was thinking about like... This girl is getting passed around for family. Does she have social security paperwork necessary with aliens or what? Does she have a birth certificate or what?

Who knows? She's going to have a real hard time registering for school. I understand you want to leave the town that people are calling hell that is full of aliens and stuff. And you don't want to live with your boyfriend because you're becoming a brother-sister dynamic. But do you want to go with the poor people too? Like, give them a little more of a chance. Like Lucas' family? I know you clearly

weren't going to be like biological brother and sister, that's pretty clear, but like, we're old enough, we're adults here. Dustin's family?

Yeah, Dustin's family even. Susie Poo, go to fucking Salt Lake City, you can live like a king out there at 11.

To be fair, she did live in a hut, but also, it's a large living for her. Yeah, season four is

going to be 11 turning into a bank robber. But I'm not, I'm done. I want toys for Christmas this year. Here you fucking go. Joy.

Instead of the black widow mom who just loses everyone she loves to death at the end of the season. Every fucking year. Yeah. How did, how did those, uh, how did, when I,

when I known his husband, he leave her, did they die? I don't remember how that all happened. Yeah, he left her. He left her. He goes together when Will's missing. That's right.

Okay, yeah. And then we get our post-credits scene where we are in Russia. Wait, we forgot about one scene. Did we skip something? The scene, I think, unless I blacked out for a second. When they're in the car and Alexei and Murray are talking about how Hopper and Winona need to fuck. Did we talk about that? Oh, we didn't talk about that. No.

That was like the funniest scene. When they're speaking in Russian, he's like, these two haven't had sex yet. Are you kidding me? But that was very funny. And that was also actually speaking of like that's the cars with Murray. When he freaks out and he's like, you guys are just bickering nonstop. And AV Club, again, who are like thought of as authority experts on television they hated that line or they hated they used that line to reference how much they hated Hopper's dynamic

in this season because they're like unfortunately it was a little too on the nose like no the Duffer brothers knew what they were doing the Duffer brothers knew what they were doing they were saying we get it, audience. We know what this was. We understand how you feel. This is very stereotypical and cliche. This is the way it was supposed to go. And now we're setting you up for them accepting each other, accepting what they have to be.

Yeah. And the way we're known, we're like, no. How about Murray being a fucking perv, too, though? Because he did that with a couple of children Last season Take your clothes off and have sex Murray you just fuck somebody And stop telling everyone else to have sex

Go get a mail order of Russian bride You can speak Russian Murray was a few inches away from just being the bagel boy And then the post credits The biggest controversy of all The guards say boy. So, right. All right. And then the post-credits. Post-credits were in Russia. The biggest controversy of all, I think. The guards say, feed a prisoner to the Demogorgon, but not the American, they say.

And the American has to be Hopper, I think. I think if he went out and he came out on that Russian side, who else could it be? Like, what are the options if you had to lay them out? Would Murray somehow be involved in it? Because he's the only one who has, like, these Russian ties. But I don't think he would be worried about Murray. Oh, kind of. Because doesn't he say when Hopper and Winona

are calling the Philadelphia Museum and he's like, you just outed me. Oh, correct. Yeah. He's like, you realize I'm going to have to relocate and all that shit. So maybe it's that. And we never see him again, right? He doesn't make it out of that. I fucking hope it's not Hopper.

Do we see him when they're upstairs? I think the last time we see him, no. Because he had such a scent. I don't think so. We never see him outside. He's obviously not far from them. He's not in the thing, but there are still other Russians alive down there. The last time we saw him when Alexei, like right after Alexei gets killed,

he was in a few more scenes and then he was gone? He turns around in the turnaround. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. like right after Alexi gets killed, like he was in like a few more scenes and then he was gone? He does. He turns around in the turnaround. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's him down there, down below. And I don't think we ever see him up top. So hopefully it's him because I'm sure the Duffer Brothers could do it in a – are these the Duffer or Duffner? Duffer.

Duffer. Duffer. Then Duffner are the lead guys. I was getting confused. The Duffer Brothers, they – I trust them wholly at this point. Like I said, I was a little nervous about Billy. They crushed that, so I trust them wholly. And if they wanted to bring him back, I'm sure they'd do it in a way it worked,

where he'd probably be half human and it wouldn't be the real thing. But I thought the send-off was so perfect. I know. It's the issue you always face with stuff like this is the good send-offs, and then, like, do you want him to come back? Like, in a weird way, to relate this to wrestling, like when Daniel Bryan made his retirement speech, I wanted him to come back more than anything in the world,

but I was also like, he's going to ruin that perfect retirement. But now that he's back, I love it. I assume the same will happen with Hopper if they bring him back. But that send-off was so perfect that it's like, that note, man. If you bring him back, that note means a little less than it did. David Harbour has said

we're doing four seasons. He didn't say they're doing four seasons. He said we're doing four seasons. And the whole thing, he was in the Upside Down, so he knows what it's about. He can survive it and all that stuff. He's in the Upside Down, so he knows what it's about. He can survive it and all that stuff. There was another person. He's in the Upside Down right now.

Oh, you mean like if he went. If he ended up in the portal. He didn't know. There's a ladder there. He knew it was about to explode, so he fucking ran in there. That's what the concept is, that he ran in and the Russians have one on their side. So he ran through the Upside Down and came out on a Russian side, and that's why they have him prisoner. Okay.

That's a little better than like – That's better. That will – He just survived the blast or something similar. That's how I understood it at least. That will take away from the letter obviously. But I was just wondering how he survived the blast. I hadn't really thought about like just diving through the vagina of Earth.

It straight was a vagina. Yeah. The entire thing. I could get down with it. I'm actually – I'm coming around on it already. Yeah. So I could work with that. The way that was explained, I was like vagina. Yeah. The entire thing. I could get down with it. I'm actually – I'm coming around on it already. Yeah. So I could work with that. The way that was explained, I was like, all right, like if you're going to do it, do it like that.

But I guess that's it for the season. Stranger Things 4, it will definitely happen. I don't know when. Probably a year, year and a half. And I think that should be it. I hope that's it. I hope that's it for this cast at least. I don't know why it is that people are always hoping shows end.

If the last season sucks, I'm okay. I guess they don't want the Game of Thrones effect. Yeah, but... I was gonna say, that's... I don't like that. Game of Thrones sucking in the end ruined the whole thing. Yeah, you know what? I guess you're right. I don't think sequels ruin originals. I guess a bad last season

could ruin a show. Yeah, because you want the story of Elle to be a good one, and if there's a season six and she's like 22 and she's got her mind on Marvel now, right? She's Millie Bobby Brown signed up for the Marvel. Might be doing The Eternals. Like it just won't be Stranger Things. You need to have the Stranger Things era wrap up for that actress in the real world. You know what I mean?

Right now her heart and soul and her whole career is 11 and it should end before she moves on. And I think by broadening to Russia and having this

and having all of Hawkins known to like, by the way, that fake hard copy inside edition was like perfect. Like straight out of the 80s and 90s.

But now you can open it up to the universe and you can- That would be fine. If they keep going with other shit, fine. Yep. Like you said, I'm cool with keeping the universe and you can that would be fine if they keep going with other shit fine yep

like you said I'm cool with keeping the universe around I just think it's one of these things like Game of Thrones is going to be around for the rest of our life through prequels through sequels through this that

I think Stranger Things is so popular right now and it fits such a wide market it just means like the sci-fi wacky show sort of thing basically you could make it mean anything at this point you could even if you wanted to do Stranger Things and there's no Upside Down, there's no Demogorgon, it's another – you're doing Aliens with a different cast.

Almost becomes an anthology series. Correct. You could do that. You have Eleven's Friends in Illinois too. You then loop that in and 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, all these other people out there, you can then kind of just sprinkle them in. And if they're not cute kids, there's something else that still is part of that universe. And I think Netflix is not going to want to stop this anytime soon too, right? Definitely not.

And right now – They said what? 48 million people watched The Birth of Jim? Which is just insane. I mean but also it's Netflix. They don't have to share the numbers with anybody. That's true. Like TV reviewers and stuff like that dismiss Netflix numbers entirely.

I'd be like, we got a seventh of the world, a billion. Until there's a third-party regulated system, these numbers mean absolutely nothing. Well, a billion people live in my mom's basement. That's actually true, yeah. The numbers haven't been released. I'll release them. But we do have a seventh of the world is listening to this podcast right now. That's about it for My Mom's Basement.

Clem, John, Kevin, thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for allowing the Stranger Things podcast to be hosted on the My Mom's Basement feed. It's where it belongs. And I will go back. I will watch Back to the Future. I will watch Back to the Future 2. And hopefully by the time Stranger Things 4 happens, I'll understand. Let's do a Back to the Future episode. All right. We'll do a Back to the Future episode And hopefully by the time Stranger Things 4 happens I'll understand Let's do a Back to the Future episode Alright we'll do a Back to the Future episode

Yeah on Friday Next Friday Yeah Cool on Friday We will have the Back to the Future episode Of My Mom's Basement