My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 174 - BATMAN RETURNS COMMENTARY

Episode Date: December 16, 2021

The Basement turns back into THE BATCAVE this week when Robbie’s older brother Mike rejoins the boys to record a commentary track for Tim Burton’s ‘BATMAN RETURNS’ (1992) starring Michael Keaton, Danny DeVito, Michelle Pfeiffer, and Christopher Walken! 3Chi: Use code MMB at checkout to receive 5% off at 3Chi.com Bearbottom Clothing: Use code BASEMENT at BarebottomClothing.com for 10% off your first order **************************************** Subscribe to My Mom's Basement on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIeZ96PqdsJYQ7DFLRx6MHw My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basement Intro Music: “Basement Noise” by All Time Low Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/basement-noise/1499013757?i=1499013968 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/3Aq9W9BBCjsFOQqcYyO6IA?si=d9d0f74cf54a48deYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement. It is a holiday commentary edition of My Mom's Basement. The second, I don't want to say second annual, because I was thinking back, I think the Die Hard one might have been like two years ago. But it's the second one we've done we did die hard before we've done other movie commentaries and we talked about doing this one must have been back in the spring when we did batman 1989 with my brother who is pictured here on screen if you're watching on youtube if you're listening it's myself my brother mike and clem and uh we said we got to do batman returns we said oh you know it'd be perfect if we did it around the holidays, around Christmas.

The first thing that it says on HBO Max, when you pull it up, it says, set at Christmas time. So if there's any debate, come on. This is a Christmas movie, people. In the basement, kind of anything goes with Christmas time. But I'm glad we could all get together here. We've been talking about this for weeks, months, almost a year. So I'm happy we could finally do it i'm so bad brother from another mother we had to get back in the fox

hole one more time this year didn't we i just said i'm so happy back in the fox hole the the fox brothers are looking more and more like brothers now now that they both got the hair going and everything so i'm just i'm like that it's like the one thing you can tell that we're not brothers i have the shaved head so it's like all right thing you can tell that we're not brothers, I have the shaved head. So it's like, all right, Clem isn't blood related, but spiritually even deeper than any kind of plasma running through our veins. I feel like the world does need a new

controversial Christmas take because the Die Hard one is so played out. The Home Alone isn't a Christmas movie. It's so dumb. So I think this is good. We're going to get a head start on making this the new debate that everyone loses their minds about when there's like downtime in radio.

So is Batman Returns a Christmas movie? I believe the panel is a unanimous yes. So we're going to rock and roll, baby. Nothing like Gotham and Christmas time, right? No, Gotham and Christmas time's the best. The Tim Burton effects, the tree lighting, all of it. The chance of being assaulted and mugged

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nonetheless. Go to 3G.com right now use the promo code mmb at checkout and you will receive five percent off your order so pull the movie up it's on hbo max you could rent it on youtube i think it's four bucks on youtube amazon all of that you're gonna want to press play on it and then immediately pause it so you're at zero zero zero you don't want to make sure you want to make sure that they don't try to spring an ad on you or anything so when we press play together we're all synced up i'll say three two one go and when i or play i'll say and when i say play that's when we're going to click all on on play so everyone get it queued up if you need a second you could pause now um and if you got it ready to go i'll give the countdown so three two one play and here we go this is uh prior to the nolan movies when we just had like the batman 66

the two keaton the two schulmacher movies um this would be my favorite whoa number one batman yeah always a big uh batman returns guy we had a batman returns board game growing up remember that mike i used to love like pulling that out the batman returns bat cave i think that was the one we had um so a lot of the toys were batman returns centric this was a big toy christmas for me this movie big toy christmas that makes sense 92 right this was 1992 i got a bat cave that was really cool i probably wound up going to you rob the one with the computer screens and the bat cave had the pictures of danny devito michelle pfeiffer and it was wayne manor on the front so you could do the like whole thing that was the best had a little balcony so you could throw the villains off the balcony by the way shout out peewee herman right away here yeah

peewee the penguin's father by the way i'm completely fucked right now i went to make sure that the closed captions are on because we we don't listen to it and i just like fast forwarded 20 seconds and now i'm just i have no idea if i'm near you guys oh i know there there was a this thing is about doing these podcasts live. We can't go back now. We'd have to start over. So I'm just going to go. I have some little fucking rattling in the cage.

We can go back. It's been five minutes. I was going to say, look, I can tell you exactly where we are. Look, we're at 130 now. 131, 132, 3, 4, 5, 6. Perfect. All right. So we're all synced up now.

We got some snow outside going on. That fucking guy with the monocle, like just right off the bat, I hate this person. I hate the family. I am so anti-monocle, people. I didn't think I'd be getting into a monocle rant right off the bat. You get the monocle, though, right, Clem Dog? What? Think about it, though.

The monocle. The monocle. Who wears the monocle? Come onle who's where's the monocle come on the penguin i don't know that's what i'm saying though i'm just saying monocle people in general i guess if i ever reach the status right right over the carriage that's the fuck crow monocle rights groups are going crazy already right now when they're listening this is not a good start you You called three days ago your man hands, and now you're in the monocle.

Come on, Clem! But the thing is, if I had a monocle, I'd wear the shit out of it. My porn is talking right now, coming through on the podcast. Just throws a baby. That's the kind of monocle people are. They throw babies into the goddamn freezing

Gotham River. Yeah, if they're not perfect, if they have a little deform. They throw babies into the goddamn freezing Gotham River. Yeah, if they're not perfect, if they have a little deformity about them, right into the river. Now, a fun fact I wrote down, all of these are from the IMDb trivia page, which, by the way, I recommend people checking in on that for your favorite movies. If you never have, you could find out tons of stuff you never knew. Something I never knew about Batman Returns, and I've got a bunch of these these 25 of them for christmas like a little advent calendar fun facts is that the role that peewee plays right there the penguin's father they wanted to go to burgess meredith who played the penguin in the 1966 batman and unfortunately he was ill at the time that they filmed it so it had to go to uh peewee instead kind of a cool idea though would have been a cool homage that's uh mick right from rocky yeah yeah what mick from rocky is fucking penguin from the 66 Batman. Come on, bro. Now you're embarrassing the family name, dude.

Come on. Oh. I didn't fucking know that. You know, we have moments where Clem's mind gets blown. You could see that on YouTube right there. My mind get blown. Holy shit. He was so big as the penguin.

He had the big belly. He got in shape. He became a trainer. Started training officers. I'm the kind of guy who doesn't realize that Clark Kent is Superman, I think. He's the one guy in all Metropolis who's like, why don't I see these guys? I'm like, that fucking Clark Kent is a nerd. You're telling Clark Kent about all the cool shit Superman just did.

And he's like, oh, really? Really, Rob? That sounds really good. Unbelievable. And that's how you know we got a good movie right there. Music by Danny Elfman. We shouted him out a whole bunch in the last podcast in 89. So you know it's going to be good.

Long intro sequence like the first one. Some more fun facts about this. Michael Keaton was alleged to have earned $11 million for reprising his role as Batman. Warner Brothers executives were apparently very uneasy with this but tim burton convinced him he deserved it this was this was also tim burton's only like direct sequel but he kind of like shied away from it being a direct sequel the original draft of the script was reported to have like way more ties to the first one um references to the joker more about that almost bringing them back but they were like eh we don't want to do direct sequel

they got gotham redesigned all that i i wouldn't i always like when you feel like it's a world building where there would be some references to the joker in there um you know i i like the kind but like a straight up like rip off or whatever you know flip the page no i i agree with that but um that's one of my favorite things is where you still can get like a sense that, you know, fucking if a painted clown just took a city by hostage for like a couple months, you better believe they'd be talking about it, right? Oh, God. Just fucking. Penguins are like one of the most beloved creatures. This movie did a lot to kind of scare people out of penguins.

I'm a big penguin guy. If I go to a zoo or something penguins number one thing i'd like to say does man you loved peewee's playhouse and you creeped out about it yeah i people love and makes you feel a little bit ooh kooky scary weird goth i don't know by the way look at these christmas vibes big time this is the perfect new york city vibes too because like everyone goes to rockefeller and it's like oh oh, the tree. And then you go there, and you just feel the griminess of it all, right?

The people jumping into you. I can feel, like, when you're hot under your coat, but it's cold on the outside, and you feel yourself getting sick. And you're worried about getting mugged the entire time. Perfect vibes of it all. And we are officially watching a Christmas movie, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, come on. There you go. The tree is lit beautiful one of the

best shots in the movie here oh yeah creepy penguin flippers checking out the tree i like that almost looks like a painting the tree almost looks like a map painting by the way this is the uh i read this this stunned me the first of of the Batman movies to use CGI. I'll point out later, it's a pretty obvious CGI scene. It's well done, but you could tell what it is. And it's also considered one of the last Hollywood movies to be made the old school way. With like miniatures, big soundstage, all of that. Soundstage was huge because they shot this, know in in sunny warm california on on

these huge sound stages but you know they had to produce this all this snow they needed it to appear cold they needed people's you know you needed to be able to see people's breath and for the penguins for winter the penguins it had to be kept 35 degrees it said they flew these penguins in from the uk by the way this was one of the craziest facts that i read they wanted to use king penguins that's the breed of penguins and the only tame ones in captivity were in the uk in the english countryside so they flew them over they gave them a whole trailer and they made it 35 degrees. And it said that they loved it so much that they made it and produced eggs. The sure sign of a contented penguin.

It was a penguin fuck party this set. I can only imagine the shit, Tim. Imagine being a negotiator with Tim Burton. He's like, I need the penguins from the UK! And he's probably all fucking Tim Burton-ing out on you the whole time. They need to be fucking! They need to be fucking! He's like, I need the penguins from the UK. And he's probably all fucking burning out on you the whole time. He's a weird-ass ass guy.

They need to be fucking. They need to be fucking. Let me ask you, is this a hot take? Max Schreck, all-time underrated Batman character? I think so. I think people might say hot take, but I agree. I think he's awesome. No, I agree with you

walk-ins amazing not the first choice you know who the first choice was mike no actually david bowie turned it down to be in a twin peaks episode oh that's just not i just don't want to do it right it's not he he was like which one will people remember me more for that's just straight up fuck he probably't want to do it, right? It's not like he was like, which one will people remember me more for? That's just straight up fuck. He probably doesn't like Tim Burton like I do. He's probably like, you ruined Tim Burton ruined Charlie and the Chocolate Factory too. He ruined so much good stuff.

Pee Wee Playhouse, fucking Batman, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, three of my favorite things in the world. I love that they got a guy who kind of looks like he could be Christopher Walken's son and I love that he's doing like half a bad christopher walken too that let's go see the masses like all right who didn't who didn't pull him aside and be like bro take that down like now selena kyle this is our first selena kyle i i think that's a blonde yeah has to be you know

on the tv show in the 60s it was uh julie newmar it was eartha kitt and then lee merriweather did the movie the all brunettes yeah so it might be the first time they use that Selena Kyle name too. I could be wrong on that, but I don't think they use that name in the, in the show or the 66 movie. I'm looking up to see like, if, if Pfeiffer was on like a role back then in terms of like her roles that she

was playing, she wasn't really like not a lot of movies. I really know of that. We're actually like, just, you know, crushing out there. Like obviously everyone knows scarface that's 83 this comes out in what is it 92 frankie and johnny the russia house fabulous baker boys dangerous liaisons so i but i remember when she got the role it was a big deal entertainment tonight every single

night like i mean that that's that was on my mom's TV, a whole bunch of big news. It was a huge deal. And it's owed so much to the success and the quality of the first one, obviously. Yeah. People were wondering if it was going to be some silly joke. But after the first one, everything that had to do with the second one was, like, announced. Like you said, Clem, it was was like who's in the next one who's they were like trying to get pictures of um you know paparazzi during shoots behind the scenes there were a bunch of people in consideration for that role i wrote them down here brooke shields jody foster sigourney

weaver merrill streep even um but all these, these were in consideration by the studio. All of these were turned down by Tim Burton himself. And he offered it, Tim Burton offered it to Gina Davis, and she turned it down to star in a league of their own. Now that's a fair, that's a fair turndown right there. Yeah. Starring role too. I will never forgive Dottie Hinson though for dropping that baseball. Kid did not deserve her to drop the softball excuse me and spoiler alerts for anyone who hasn't seen it yet but that fucking

infuriates me to no end it's one of the greatest characters in cinema history and then she drops the ball and everything she does is lost in my mind so mike you said mike you said this was a big christmas for you in terms of toys like you remember the unwrapping and everything yeah and you know i think i heard tim burton say once that like after the success of the first one like we said like toy companies wanted in on like production meetings before characters were even being talked about they're like so what's this toy gonna look like and they're like we don't even know stop talking to me about toys yeah well we got a full on so great all the blue here this is something like if they had the the money to do in the 60s show you could have seen in the 60s show now i saw this in theaters and i remember these motorcycle

skeleton dudes kind of they didn't scare me, but I didn't expect it. It kind of snuck up on me here, you know, with the Google guys. It was like, whoa, I'm a kid. That's a little – I'm sure about that, I think. The clowns kind of like remnants of Joker goons maybe. Yeah, I wonder how many Joker go goons were like fuck i guess we join up with the uh circus gang now right yeah they're out of jobs is there a is there a villain union yeah can you ask if i could get on next week at the uh christmas attack

i'm having a hard time here it's like are we gonna have our kid is our king of america's listen there's a new villain in town honey i'm gonna get the job i gotta do it yeah that's me i'll catch on they know bob was good bob loved me they know they know i was bob's number three guy that's an iconic shot right there's There's our man Keaton. So good. Best Batman. Keaton. I mean,

he has sold me a ticket to an Ezra Miller flash movie already. And I don't even like Ezra Miller as the flash, but you tell me Keaton's putting the cowl back on. I'm fucking there. I would love it in that movie. If flash is trying to get shit done and Keaton's just trying to tell him old war stories, distracting him. You know, like Flash is like, we got to go. And he's just like, so anyway, I turn around and let Vicky Vale into the fucking Batcave.

Like that's me. That dude with like the little machine gun that you spin, that's an all-time that guy guy. You know, he's like a henchman.'s like a villain, henchman kind of thing. He's like a class you select in a video game. Yup. Was it Last Action Hero I think he's in? Walking, getting the hell out of Dodge. I have to...

You gotta respect the... Oh, this guy's fate. The Fire Breather. The Fire Breather's fate, by the way. If it were put in a Batman movie today, maybe a little more controversial than it was back then. I love how right into it we get in this one. You know, the first one, obviously, they want to build it up.

They want that anticipation. This one, we know the players, man. We know how it's going to go down. Someone's fucking with the Christmas tree. Bats is showing up right away and he's not messing around. And we're going to get a hell of a look at a murdering ass Batman again in this one.

Murdering ass Batman. There ain't no rules here. I like it too. Do you think like the bat, like Batman, like it's like tree lighting is like a red alert night like it's like tree lighting is like a red alert night it's like listen like there ain't no going out tonight Bruce you have to stay in there's probably gonna be some shit like he doesn't bat an eyelash it's just a full-blown

fucking war taking place on the Gotham streets it must between one and two there must have been some serious shit going on yeah this is great right here and it just so happened to have been you know just sitting in the dark library, just brooding. Yeah, he should have been sitting around the corner, to be honest. Yeah. Boom, you're on fire, incinerated. That's homicide. I think he had those big bat signal spotlights aimed at the house because, like, you know, he was on the can one too many times.

The signal's been in the air for an hour and a half. Oh, fuck, I missed it. Don't just go home. It's over with. You missed it. He falls asleep after a long night. He oversleeps a little bit. Yeah, two nights in a row.

I wonder if there's also like you can't hit the bat signal seven nights a week if you're the GCPD. If he's like you get four a week. Yep. It's like a must watch on the blogs, right? You get two a year. Yeah. Now, slight changes to this bat suit from the last movie, but I really like the changes.

They take some of those hooks away from the little bat logo. You could kind of see it down there. And I like that. It's more of the iconic logo also his boots funny thing about his boots they're jordan fives whoa i didn't know that yeah they just kind of decked out jordan fives made him go up to the knee added some material onto him but if you look up pictures online it's actually a really like funny thing to see because they're just clearly jordans i think when keaton came back in he was probably like listen i'll come back but i got some i got some uh addendums to my my gear okay i've got a few things in in the contract like i'm not wearing rubber boots all

day every day anymore help me up with some jordans please jordan sixes i'm sorry not jordan fives by the way i know sneaker heads if they're listening to this podcast they'll get on me for that a lot of those gangs coming at me you don't want to get sneaker gang yeah that's for sure by the way the shoes like wig them man he's like he's like every time thanks for saving the day batman and he at a certain point, you're going to be like, hey, feel free to use any of the police force you have once in a while. There's a guy in the new Batman movies in the trailers that kind of looks like that guy. It's not Gordon, obviously, because that's Jeffrey Wright. But it's like a random cop and he kind of looks like that Gordon.

The suit, by the way, which you mentioned, Mike, weighed 55 pounds. Oh, my God. Could not have by the way, which you mentioned, Mike, weighed 55 pounds. Oh my god. Could not have been the most comfortable. Now you see some, I believe there's some CGI used in this shot. This may be the first CGI shot in all of the Batman movies. Abandoned Gotham

Zoo. Yeah. I went to a zoo in Latvia, and it kind of had these kind of vibes to it. And it was like the middle, it was February, it was the middle of winter over there too. We got a little bit of a, we're post Scissorhands

and we've got a little bit of a Gotham Scissorhands thing going on. Is Scissorhands pre-Batman 89 as well? No. So it's in between. I believe he did him in between, yeah. Gotcha. This scene always creeped me out a little bit, this table of freaks.

It's almost like the Dark Knight scene where you get to see the table full of mafia members in a weird way. This is like Table 9 and The Wedding Singer where it's just all about getting... There's one scene in particular which I will point out, by the way, I think, which you may say, both of you may say, this is a bizarre scene to say it's the scariest in the movie, but it was the scariest in the movie for me.

Now, was DeVito the first choice? He had to be the first choice for the panel. I think he was, yeah. Yes, absolutely. And he was recommended to take this role by Jack Nicholson. Man, Nicholson and – like, DeVito, he isn't good with, like, the – like, him and, like, Clooney, they have those, like, crazy nights out

where they just drink limoncello and get – DeVito must be the greatest, like, fucking wingman in Hollywood, just the party guy. Not even, like, a wingman per se, but just a party dude. He's so small, too. He is so tiny. se, but just the party dude. He's so small too. He is so tiny. He's a tiny guy, yeah. He's so tiny.

This is such an iconic performance for him. And this is 93. This is, what, 28 years ago at this point? And he's no spring chicken in this movie, right? And it's like, we're all the way here all these years later. And I feel like he's no spring chicken in this movie right and it's like we're all the way here all these years later and i feel like he he's only eight like he doesn't age as it seems like he should at least i know he's sunny he doesn't look like he's like as old as he should be it's weird i do kind of feel like danny devito has been the same age my entire life i feel the same way about like rick flair yeah r Ric Flair's another one.

And Mike, you mentioned the toys and the toy companies trying to kind of get in on this one. The penguin action figure was not made to look like this penguin. It was deemed too scary, so they used, I believe it was just the exact same mold from the animated series penguin, and they repainted it to be like gray animated from from like the old 80s dc like super friends it was goofy and i always wondered like i had the new batman which was cool because it was michael keaton with like removable

gear so you could put the yeah you could put the suit on him. It was like Bruce and Batman. Which was so cool. And I had Catwoman, which looked just like the Catwoman in this movie, and could never find the penguin anywhere. And I was always confused on why I couldn't. And yeah, I wound up finding out years later. They just repainted the old goofy cartoon-looking silly one. They just gave him black instead of blue yeah which i mean there there was some backlash about this one being too too violent for kids too dark for kids i mean they did go darker i mean yeah you could make the argument that it is

too dark for some kids when he's spitting out black later. Spoilers if you haven't seen the movie. If you haven't seen this movie, I don't know why you would listen to us talk over it for the first time, but later he's going to spit out some black. this like bright shiny happy movie right but i was like this is fucking dark for a kid's movie my brother i think saw it maybe six years younger and i'm like i'm sorry matt like this was a little much for you pal like sludge he's feeding him sludge from the textile plant it's like the secret of the ooze no a good mention of another stocking so christmas time theme right there again the look they gave this penguin you know very much owed to tim burton's you know concept art for it i mean if you if you were to look up and find tim burton's concept art for for penguin is that they pretty much nailed it yeah you know it's such a good artist much from that. I will say this. I feel like the toy companies probably saw this movie and then, you know, obviously there's the huge bags of money they knew he could get.

Like Batman Forever feels like it was made literally just for the toy companies and like McDonald's and all the capitalists, like people that wanted to get their hand in the Batman pocket, right? Just had that look to it, that bigger-than-life look involved. We got a severed limb. Yeah, this is probably the most morbid and grotesque thing in any of these first, you know, these first four, if you want to say. I always look at the first four as kind of a package, as a group. Yeah. You know, some people say burton same alfred same

gordon rockers but yeah same alfred and um they they came out you know very close to each other too yeah when did batman and robin come out i want to say 98, maybe. So within like a decade, they all came out, you know. Now, whoever designed Selina Kyle's apartment here, I mean, just nails it. It looks like, you know, this to me will always feel like anytime they're ever going to do Selina Kyle's, you know, residence or apartment. Did we see it in the Dark Knight Rises at any point? Maybe for like 20 seconds. There might have been a scene between her and what's her name from Ted Lasso now. Oh shit, that's right.

I never put that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it just feels like it feels real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But it just feels like, it feels real. Yeah, I love this design as well. The pink, the neon sign, obviously. This should be what, like, most people look at when they want to make a New York City apartment in general, right? There's so many departments are like, everyone who's ever lived in this is like, you could not afford. This person could not afford to live in this fucking place.

It's a struggle. A fucking struggle. Yeah, she actually has like a tiny sink, a bed that comes out of the wall that does not look comfortable at all. It's not the new girl apartment or the friend's apartment. Exactly. Yeah, the friend's apartment. That's what I was thinking. The walls don't even, you know, they don't look great.

They look old and aged and they're all. Listen, I think if I remember correctly, the sexual innuendo in this movie is off the charts at times, you know? And I think that she's, you know, just, she just said, Oh, some appendage, you know what I mean? She's just, she's talking about Dick. Talking about a dong? Yeah, we're talking about Dick. Gotham Yellow Pages. I would love a Gotham Yellow Pages

just to put in the corner of my apartment. Someone comes over and they're like, what's that? That would be a nice little... It has all fake names in it, you know. Oswald Cobblepot Industries, whatever. Great set again, too. I mean, this feels like this, you know, tycoon, you know, slimy scheming asshole definitely works there. Yeah.

It said that at least 50% of the Warner Brothers lot was taken up by sets for this movie which is crazy when you consider that's probably one of the biggest lots in the world jesus now wasn't there also a story and i i don't know the details of this but i feel like i remember you telling it to me before mike of some crazy crazy actress that wanted the role of Catwoman that made her own Catwoman suit and showed up to the set. Who's the one from Blade Runner? Sean Young? I don't know.

I'll go on the Blade Runner IMDb now. Sean Young? Sean Young is Lois Einhorn, right? Yes. Sean Young. Yeah. So she was just, she wanted to roll in Sesame Street. Huh?

Who's Sean King? Why did I say that? Is that a rapper or something? Sean King's Dawn is. Oh, he definitely didn't go to the set in the cat suit. Sean King is an American writer, civil rights activist, and co-founder of... Sean King uses... He promotes social justice causes like Black Lives Matter.

Well, he didn't want to be in this movie either. Sean Young was supposed to play Vicki Vale in the first one and got hurt. She fell off a fucking horse or something and broke her arm. And she was devastated, obviously, after she saw what the box office did. So then she heard they were doing Catwoman and she thought, like, this is my moment. And she went to Warner Brothers executive brothers executive studios in like her like a homemade catwoman suit and was all rare you know and they were like homemade catwoman costume

shong young had some fucking issue like i i remember she's had some issues in the past and but rob we fucking saw her she was at one of the Comic-Con things she did because she was in Blade Runner. And she was giving out. And I was like, holy shit. It's Einhorn. It's Finkel. It's Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkel.

I just wanted to get a picture with her just for that. And there was people just waiting to get her autograph for Blade Runner. And, yeah, I was thinking, like, you're here right now. You're going through some tough times right now showing up. She sounded like a little crazy person. Cat melting juice dude from family guy one of my favorite all-time um things like scenes in that fucking show classic this scene is also uh aged you know pretty surprisingly well when we're we're now in the climate of like all these people getting exposed to scumbags and exposing their power.

Now we got someone throwing one of their assistants out the window. Straight murder. Now I could say for a fact that I'm full on borderline shitting myself in the movie theater. I was a six year old at the time. You're like, do I ask if I can leave the theater right now? But I really love Batman. I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's the most violent thing I've ever seen. Oh, the cat's going to help her.

Oh, wait, what? And now this is also a pretty controversial scene I grew up to find out. Like, comic book fans are like, this is, what do they give her? Cat power? That's stupid. I always have. Excuse me. I loved it when I was little, growing up, and I love it now.

I think it's a dope origin story for Catwoman. She falls and she just gets swarmed by these cats. Dude, you just have a bunch of cats on you. You could probably just get powers. I think that's like a real life... That might actually be like a real life thing. We should get a scientist on. See if they can like that check sign. I'm allergic to cats, so if that many cats probably what?

You have the opposite effect. Nibble and honor. Okay, so what's like six-year-old Mike thinking right now as this is going on on their screen? Eyes rolling in the head. I don't know if I like Batman anymore. I just wanted it to stop, man. I'm like, this is a little intense here.

Yeah, so. We got through it. This was the scene that I was referring to before. This, in my mind, was the scariest scene in the movie. And it's because she's about to take her stuffed animals and put them in the garbage disposal and there was nothing that a little robbie fox loved more than his stuffed animals and i mean this is a true story one of my had three teddy bears growing up that i loved old ted new ted and new old ted when old ted got too old this is true when old ted got too old we had to

replace my mom like sewed a new body onto him and she was like i'm just gonna buy material sew a new body on and in my mind this was he was going in for open heart surgery my guy so i put myself to bed i was like four she said i put myself to bed hysterically was like four. She said, I put myself to bed hysterically crying. I was like, I can't watch the surgery. She's like, it's fine. It's fine. And then she went to like cut the foot off to sew it on. And I just, I lost it.

I absolutely lost it. So seeing her destroy stuffed animals was akin to seeing murder in my eyes, but like for real murder. She evaded your stuffed animal huh your teddy bear she gave him a new i would rather see a four-year-old robbie fox would rather see blood than uh inside stuffing from stuffed animals oh here it is uh shout out danny elfman here doing a great job again you know setting the mood yeah shout out to the makeup team too they make her look like white as a ghost dead.

Like a zombie almost. Yeah. She's kind of like a zombie in some ways. Yeah. Again, what are we fucking going for here?

This is fucking a kid's supposed to be a kid's movie. What are we doing? Fucking Burton, man. This is scary. This used to scare the shit out of me.

I will say this, though. I have my old teddy bear named Teddy, obviously, very original kid. AJ, it's now his favorite bear in the world. It's the fucking best, man. Oh, that's cute. If you have any old school, old animals that you kept, man, save them for your kids. And if they ever play with them, it's fucking, it warms your heart up instantly from all the other shit that they do to ruin your heart. It makes it feel, they put it all together back again when my nephew mike's son was born i got him a new

version of old ted i see it was actually found by um uncle dennis who we talk about on this podcast a lot i mean he's he's yeah he is the Also, I thought this dollhouse was so cool because, like, any play set as a kid, you're like, oh, my God, it's a whole set. And when she destroyed it, I was like, oh, fucking, I could have used that as the Batcave. You know, I had the Joker goon jacket to pull out during the last one. Oh, yeah. Sorry to report there's no special surprise. Like, I always thought about having my parents make me the pleather cat suit. It would just take me too long to get into that thing.

I'd be all sweaty and passing out eventually. Mike, when you got out, I was kind of peering around being like, what is he wearing right now? Does he have anything coming out? I was hoping something was coming out. Oh, by the way, look what I'm wearing. You could get it on the Barstool store. There you go.

This is the MMB, my mom's basement shirt. It's got the cool logo on the back. Nathan Hurst, shout out. By the way, keep an eye out for a new Nathan Hurst design probably hitting the store soon. I got to talk to him about it. He made us an awesome Hawkeye design with the pizza dog and the pirate dog. And I showed it toave before we went live

on rough and ratty commentary like what do you think of this he's like that's fire you should put it on sale it's like all right you tell me and put it on sale i'll put it on sale boss one of the best shots in the movie coming up here absolutely jeff d lowe has been doing his thread of favorite shots from movies hell here from batman returns jeff d low added to the thread you know all those cats now the the suit cost them a lot of money on this movie because they went through 60 of them the suit had to be like vacuum sealed onto michelle pfeiffer every time they put it on literally um she said

that it actually she would only be able to wear for a short time before she would have to have it opened or she would become lightheaded and pass out um they went through 60 of these suits and they were a thousand dollars each jesus so chalk sixty thousand000 of the budget up to just the Catwoman suits, but they obviously made their money back. This made $47.7 million in the opening weekend, which was the record at the time, only to be dethroned the next year by Jurassic Park. That's a tough, that's tough timing.

You don't get to wear that crown that long because Jurassic Park just happens to come out a year later. That's a tough break. Again, terrifying. Someone just stole a baby. No one even tried to stop him. No. But you know what?

Something chaotic happens in the city. I tweeted about this. Clem responded to it. I didn't even get to tell you the story, Mike. I got palm striked by a homeless guy the other day. Going the city for a covid test which thank god was negative my biggest concern was like am i gonna have to miss fucking spider-man nope covid negative i'm all healthy um and i'm walking to the office and i see a homeless guy and he's someone i see around the office pretty often he's a hundred percent like bent down 90 degrees like this at all

times now i'm walking trying to try to walk around them but he's kind of walking like close to me i'm like oh god i gotta walk around this guy and he just like looks up and palm strikes me i think he was aiming for my head he hit me in the shoulder with no no velocity at all. Oh, good. I thought you got hit in the face. No, no, no. That's a photo test. Now you need a comedian test. No, no, no. Wasn't hurt at all. I was wearing a big puffy jacket, which I'm sure took some of it.

But it hit me just a little bit. It felt like someone bumped my shoulder. But then he just made a run for it onto sixth ave. And me and everyone around me just go like this. And he got cars to stop. I said on Twitter, it was like a real-life Frogger. It was like watching. I was just stunned. By the time he

made it across the street, I forgot that he hit me. Not that I would have done anything. I think it would have been nice for Bruce to help Alfred decorate this tree. That's sort of like a tradition.

You decorate people together. Not to mention, could you imagine every day of your fucking life getting up at the crack of your ass and putting on a tuxedo? Which he does every day. Do you think there's casual Fridays at the Batcave? I don't think Bruce would mind. I think Alfred Pennyworth has enough pride in what he does that he knows it's tough.

He holds himself to that high standard every day forever. Yeah. But he always is like, Oh, maybe I will, Mr. Wayne, maybe I will like,

you know, this Friday it's like the summer. It never does. And I respect it. Bruce is like, you know, you can, he's like,

Oh yeah, yeah, I will. I will. I will one day. But yeah, like, come on. Like the whole point of the truth. It is like, you know you can. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I will. I will. I will. One day. But, yeah, like, come on. Like, the whole point of the truth, it's like, oh, I remember when I put that ornament on it.

But, like, you don't have to do everything. Like, Alfred has to do all the shitty lights parts. Like, that's Butler work, right? Throw a couple of ornaments on yourself. That's awesome. Hall of Records. So cool. Such a good Burton-y look. Yeah cool. Such a, such a good Bert and he look,

yeah. You know, it would be a dope thing. Someone throw this in a comic book. If you write Batman or, or a cartoon or something that all the ornaments on Bruce Wayne's Christmas tree are like little trinkets. He took some from foes.

He defeated, you know, little Joker, chompy teeth, you know, or something i love that this big penny and i'm tired of seeing the big penny big penny and the dinosaur where did that dinosaur even come from monocle yeah god damn that's my it's like father i love that like

the people of gotham like pretty quickly just he's a normal person you know just like this crazy deformed human being is he just ascends from a manhole cover holding the stone immediately and they're like he's good he's a good guy like he saved that baby. That's how it works, though. And then, like, you know, after, like, two days on Twitter, they find out he had some problematic thing he said online, and then, boom, it all gets taken away. Yeah, he was the Ken Bone of Gotham.

Thank you. Ken Bone was the ultimate internet. Like, the way that all played out was unbelievable. It was the perfect internet story. Top to bottom. Crazy. By the perfect internet story and dropped about crazy by the way we're talking about the penguin the penguin is going to get his own spin-off series on hbo max the colin farrell's penguin um about his rise to the top of gotham's mob scene which in my mind is a good opportunity to do like just do the penguin sopranos penguin sopranos seems to be how uh colin farrell's playing the penguin

like pony soprano he's like a he's playing him like an italian mobster okay by the way alfred just brought bruce cold soup who wants to be on in the bat cave cranking on a microfiche old soup group is a risky game anyway when you might have to throw on the rubber at a moment's Dave cranking on a microfiche. Old soup. Group is a risky game anyway, when you might have to throw on the rubber at a moment's notice. Oh shit. I never even thought about that. Having a list of things. You're like,

Al, no more broccoli cheddar. I might. I can't. Do you think you ever came home? That's a sacrifice that Bruce makes that the people of Gotham never give him the respect for, having to watch what he eats at all times so he doesn't shit himself fighting crime. You remember one night he came back, and he's like,

Al, take this chute off me and throw it right in the garbage because I shitted it, hiding some thugs in that alley. He made the broccoli cheddar. You insist on it. I'm going right in the bath, Alfred. I'm going right in the bath, Alfred. I'm going right in the bath. Carrying me to the bath. Yes.

He's a carrier, too. Insulted. I will say this, Bob. If we were watching this live and I'd never seen it before, I would have put Alfred on the sus list. It was like cold soup. The penguin just came up. Like, he's in cahoots.

He's in cahoots with the penguin. He brought Vicky Valen to the Batcave last movie yeah yeah there's some shit this is the the first film ever made in uh dolby digital which at the time was called dolby srd that's a that's a good fun fact right that is that on the list is that on my list yeah that's on my list of fun facts for you sienna goes the other day she goes dad can we get this thing that like our friends have where they get a different lego every day and i just thought it is kind of funny how advent calendars are made to count down to christmas which is just a day of awesomeness where you get gifts and now we had to put more gifts on top of that gives chocolate my boys got the coolest advent calendar I've ever seen. What do we got? It's a Home Alone pop-up book advent calendar. Wow.

You open the book, and the Christmas tree erects in the middle of the Macalester home. And then all the days are right in the book. And each day you open up a different ornament comes out to hang on the 3D Christmas tree. And each of the ornaments is like one of Kevin's booby traps or something. What happens in a movie like today's advent calendar ornament was a box of little Nero's pizza. Well, I'll be looking for next year. By the way, I mentioned to Clem that his recommendations were hits,

but bluey and a Spider-Man and friends, I said might've been the biggest hits of all time. Fucking bluey. I have enough bluey and pepper pig in my life. I swear to God, man, my daughter's talking in a half a British accent from all the time. We go to the grocery store and she says, can I ride in a trolley? Too much. I'm like, we're watching too much Peppa. You're calling Peppa Pug's trolleys. Once I heard the accents of Pe peppa pigs and i did the little

the snorts i was like we're out on peppa pig we never even got into it but mike i apologize you're in the thick of peppa land right now that's what i did to blippy sorry i'm like no that's like the only thing i outlawed and i'm like no fucking blippy it's not happening oh you heard he like pooped in like his like buddy's ass or something like that weird as shit i mean pun intended you can't explain that to a three-year-old because he's a fucking shit demon i still think i'd rather them see blippy pooping in his friend's ass than like the first 20 minutes of this movie though for like as a four-year-old kid by the way shout out danny devito great monologue in this scene yes talking about his parents giving him away talking about his parents you know

looking at him as a freak but he forgives him and that makes the headlines that would be a that would be kind of a cool thing to have framed as like artwork a Gotham Globe article I saw in the city this week, if you're listening to this on release week, they have in newspaper stands the Daily Bugle

and it says Spider-Man's a menace, which is an amazing bit of marketing. Whoever thought of that is a genius. Back alley mugging. Be gentle. It's my first time. More innuendo. I'm telling you, it's my first time more innuendo i'm telling you it's everywhere catwoman choosing to uh fight crime and heals bananas move but she makes it work oh god i mean slicing dyson Dyson.

Is she victim shaming someone to get to Batman? I mean, that's a matter of itself. She's got a victim shaming. That was a long alleyway. She only did like three backflips. She had at least seven more to go before she was off in the darkness that was such

a hard move right there it's like you don't need i want to see her and the guy who stole the baby do like a backflip off i mean i got cat woman that's like minus 120 in the book but i think that would be a really good matchup have you guys seen the video of her i i think you've definitely seen it mike because i think we talked about it of her doing the whips that we'll see later in the movie, all in one take. She trained for a while with the whips, and she got the first try or something. Yeah. I think we might have brought that fun fact up on the last one. Yeah, I think we might have talked about that.

I love how he just tosses a stack of papers over at Max Schreck. I would have loved it right after he did that if he would have stood up and said, You want to get nuts? Let's get nuts. Dude, the first time you had a book report in either one of those plastic with like the plastic thing on the side and like the clear cover or you had it there with like the binder. You're like, this shit could just be nothing but nonsense inside. But I'm getting at least a B on this thing, man. Yeah, this thing is thick. That's how I got my when I met Kevin Smith for the first time,

when I waited in line like seven hours with mom, I got the script to Superman Lives, his Batman movie, that ironically Tim Burton shut down. Got that printed out because he said in his special that he would sign it, fuck Tim Burton. And I wanted to see if that was true. And I got it. And I got it printed out.

I'm looking at seven hours for a grown man to write fuck Tim Burton on a piece of paper. He did it, though. He did it. She is a saint. And you know what, though? Shout out, Mom. And shout out, Kevin Smith, for appreciating how ridiculous that was. Because after she takes a picture of me and Kevin Smith, and we were like in the sidewalk,

and she goes to walk out into the street just so the next people could go. And Kevin Smith stops the signing for a sec. He's been there for seven hours. And runs out into the street just so the next people could go and kevin smith stops the signing for a sec he's been there for seven hours and runs out into the street and goes ma'am ma'am and mom like doesn't turn around for a second i was like mom kevin smith's fucking talking to you turn around she turns around he's like thank you for waiting for him i know it's been forever i'm sorry it's been so long she's like oh thanks i was like that was the coolest thing ever he was very cool about my heroes addressing you exactly i was like oh my god she thought that was cool too shout out mom for being a saint one of the things i got after this movie came out for christmas was a 1000 piece puzzle of this movie poster and if you remember

this movie poster it's three heads and it's all black everything else is black it took her weeks because it was like full movie poster size weeks to do that puzzle because it was a thousand pieces and like 917 of them were just black pieces but after she completed it she did it on like a piece of, like a thin piece of masonite or something on the dining room table. So after it was done, it was like a group effort to like really quickly flip, flip it over. So it was face down and then we masking taped the back of it so that it would stick together and nailed it into my bedroom wall wow yep so you had the poster to this movie hanging up in your bedroom for i would assume a long time yeah and looking back i mean you could have just bought the poster no assembly required yeah god damn i don't do like a 40-piece puzzle because of guys.

I don't have time. I hate fucking puzzles. And your mom did like a 3,000-piece puzzle of a movie by herself and then taped it up on your wall, man. Shout out Mama Fox. Mama Fox, the best. The absolute best. In the line. I like the uh Selena Kyle starting to turn bad look here where it's like she's not letting

everyone in on the craziness yet but it's slowly peeking out in the workspace she's like any good girl gone bad in the 90s all of a sudden the hair is just a little more wild than you're like she doesn't need the glasses yeah it's like a librarian you take the a sudden, the hair's just a little more wild. She doesn't need the glasses. It's like a librarian. You take the glasses off and the hair comes down. Drop it out of the higher window. Who fighters? If you would have animated him right, Max Shrek would have been a great character

on the animated series. Yeah, definitely. Would you get someone to do a bad Walken impersonation? Get his son in this movie? Yeah, you'd get the son to do it because he never did anything in this movie anyway. That dude thought his career was about to take off too. He's like, I'm going to be Christopher Walken's son in a Batman movie. Every time Christopher Walken got a role, he's trying to get on as the son again.

These freaks, if you've watched the Get Back Beatles documentary, are like George's little, what they call them? The Harry Krishna. The Harry Krishnas. They're like, oh, who's that little old fella? They would just show up and sit there while he worked. Those are the Penguins, Harry Krishnas. Who do you think had a more uncomfortable job here with their makeup and costuming michelle pfeiffer or danny devito oh that's a good question

i mean michelle pfeiffer had the suit put on 60 times and it was so tight she felt like she could pass out but danny devito i wrote down took three hours every day to do his makeup brutal and then i think an extra hour to take it off and it don't look comfortable it don't look comfortable and it took so long that he actually this is funny and a sign of the times he got an entire cabinet removed from his makeup trailer to put in a laser disc machine and television where he could watch his favorite movies in the mirror while he was getting his makeup done nowadays you know put them on your iphone right right in front of you like you don't have to get a cabinet removed from your trailer i think i wonder what movies he watched i'd love to know i know

yeah if someone if danny devito wants to come on my mom's basement that would be the question i think he watched like dark shit to try to get in the vibe for the best? It said that he stayed in character in between takes. Did a little bit of method acting for this one. Oh, my God. Speaking of cool posters to have, imagine having that Oswald Cobblepuff or Mare poster. That would be a Man Cave poster right there. I wonder if that poster and the way Penguin looks on there is another homage

to Burgess Meredith in the style of... I bet it is. I bet you're right about that. It looks like it. Even having your hands in that makeup where you can't separate your fingers, I bet that was uncomfortable. You know, you think a guy who was raised by literal penguins and spent his entire existence in a sewer wouldn't be so good at picking up when

you're getting your balls busted you've got social cues like that fucking nose watch this now back to work everybody nothing to see here this guy we're gonna try to get voted for mayor and wearing the dirtiest long johns of all time this is definitely in the running for dirtiest long johns of all time like what is it oh my god even him going down there eating the fish and everyone just like turning the other way like, What a line there. I'd like to fill her void.

Fill her void. What a tremendous line. That's Penguin though. He's a sleazeball. I like the Penguin like that. You should be creeped out by him in every facet. I'd like to fill her book. I can't believe they put that in this movie. That is something, yeah. Stop global warming, start global cooling. Great line.

They really hammer home, like, the don't judge a book by its cover with him in this movie, right? Like, in most movies, I feel like they just see him, and he's a villain instantly in these movies like in the newer times where this one he's fucking a guy's mayoral candidate right off the bat one fact for you clan dog i've got an acoustic guitar that is made by gretch and it is the penguin model there's actually a little illustration of a penguin on the pick guard and uh people musicians a lot of the time who buy guitars tend to give their guitars a name um i don't know it makes us feel better about something uh and my guitarist named oswald i love the Foxes man

God bless you guys man you see I've always I've always had a how do we make this cool mentality but Robbie actually say said how do we make this cool, and how do I make making it cool a career?

And he did. Got into a golf podcast and then figured it out. I didn't know you could make making it cool a job. He's like, not only can you do it, but you could get a weed company to sponsor it. Yeah, shout out to Richie. By the way, Unlimited Poon Tang, that completely went over my head the first viewing, I'll admit that. I'm telling you, man, there's sexual in the dialogue on this one. By the way, these are great looking explosions.

Yeah. Those RPG shots in the windows? Practical effects, man. And this is all, everything you see is in a back lot somewhere. Yeah. They're not even outdoors. And again, this captures the vibe of like

New York City, those like electronic stores and stuff like that. Like that's exactly what they look like. It's dark. You never know when a guy's just going to come and cap you on the shoulder and then run through a bunch of traffic. And again, Bob, I thought you should have taken the camera out. That's a content opportunity first

and foremost, but that'll shake you up. Yeah, I too too rattled i love that pan down to the dog i thought this was very cool as a kid i wanted something that i could program to you know oh yeah multiple assailants that's one of the uh main highlights of uh the cgi technology used in this the imdb said that's a shield around the batmobile that costs five million dollars for that shot so check this out speaking of uh murderous batman this is a classic batman murder well i guess not yet coming up they put this cat head on one of the creepy toys

that Jack delivers at the end of Nightmare Before Christmas when he's pretending to be Santa. Oh. Little homage. We've been watching that. And there's a little duck that looks like the duck the penguin rides too in that. Here it is.

The whip. Yeah, here's the whip scene that michelle pfeiffer did in one take really hitting those i think i almost blogged this once upon a time when i when i found out about it because i was just so fucking amazed by it tell you what one of us is gonna have to blog it when we blog this podcast because that's that's an easy headline that's an easy blog right there you're right you're right oh show it off show it off with the jump rope by the way shout out joey langone cracked me up friend of the pod um because he posted his daughter he took her to like dave and busters and they have that jump rope game and it was on the demo mode and he said she stood there for like 20 minutes thinking she was playing. He was like,

it was the easiest time occupier without me spending any money. We gave AJ the old fake controller. That's not plugged in. And he was like playing with us like six months ago. It was the best thing in the world, but now he's smart enough to know when the control isn't plugged in. So it sucks. Cause he just ruins every game. He does. He's three and a half years old. He doesn't know what he's doing. Your kids don't know what's going on.

They think they're playing the video game. It's the absolute best. Look like maybe some framer moving there the way they turned it. But yeah, here we go. Murderous Batman. Why don't i strap a bomb to your chest and punch you down a hole that'll do it that'll do it honestly like if you see the bodies at the end of like a night when this stuff happens they're like was this batman or the penguins

villains that did this shit because it's fucked up stuff man man. Maybe Batman was just so dark, you know, he's framing his villains for murder. Extra murder to justify it. Seven life sentences. Oh, by the way, Mike, you sent me a funny text the other day that I wanted to bring up. It's being reported right now that The Batman, the new Pattinson movie, it is confirmed that it's being test screened for audiences. But it's being reported that they're showing two separate versions of the movie one with one character included one with one character not included the rumors that that maybe it's the Joker maybe they're seeing how audiences would react to a new Joker in a movie they're setting

themselves up for release the blank cut again and again and again. Whatever version of the movie they put out, people are going to say, we want to see the other version. And you can see it as long as you bump up to a premium subscription of HBO. And it'll be there for you to watch. I mean, it's a great business model. By the way, big face off here. We get all three characters in the same place at the same time for the first time. Yeah, it's funny that they're doing Penguin and Catwoman again.

I was thinking that, yeah. And Riddler. At what point is it like, do we just throw too many villains in movies nowadays? Maybe Joker, too. Although, if the rumors are correct, and this is the long Halloween of Batman movies, fair enough. Okay. That's what the rumor is because it was originally supposed to be released in October. And that's what Matt Reeves said he's taken the most inspiration from it said it's a mix of year one and the long halloween

which in uh i think both mine and mike's opinion is like the best batman comic that's number one right yeah i feel like i remember you saying that well long halloween yeah yeah definitely my favorite and they they actually did it well as an animated. They did it two-parter. I haven't watched it yet. I gotta. You know, a lot of the animated movies, they're very hit and miss in terms of

how they honor these classic graphic novels. I really, I was hopeful, and I think they delivered with the Long Halloween ones. Definitely a recommendation. If you're looking to get into comics, that could be like, I could see that being your first comic and that really getting you into it. By the way, that line Penguin delivered, I saw her first, got to fly.

I thought that was the coolest thing anybody could have ever said in that moment there it was just i don't know why it hit me the way it did but i'm just like what a cool villain our first gotta fly and i couldn't wait for the vhs tape to come out so that i could watch it and hear it again i got that vhs tape on on Halloween, funny enough. Interesting that we talked about that. And I go, can we watch it? Can we watch it? And mom and dad were like, after trick-or-treating, all right, let's go out.

Let's get some trick-or-treating done. After we get home, you can watch your movie. So I go out. We trick-or-treat. We come back. And Aunt Dorothy was with us. out aunt darthee she spots she says michael come here can i look at you and on the back of my neck i had a tick oh some point you know in trick-or-treating i don't know how it happened a tick got in the back of my neck they couldn't get it out.

It had embedded itself deep enough and strong enough where they could not remove it. Have to go to the emergency room on Halloween night to have it removed. Now, when you're six and you have to go to the emergency room to have a bug removed, you're fucked up. You're terrified. And I'm in a bed in the emergency room with like just the curtains drawn. Just waiting there. Like, are they going to cut my neck off? Are they going to, you know, is there going to be a needle involved, a shot?

I don't want nothing to do with this, man. And because it's Halloween night, emergency room doctors are dressed up. The curtain flies open. And I got a doctor who's got clown paint and a rainbow wig on you've ever fucking seen and i can't believe i'm not scarred like clown phobia yeah really but all i kept thinking was you know every minute that we wait here is a minute closer to not being allowed to stay up to watch batman returns on vhs but i toughed it out in the er i guess they let me watch when i got home and they got to i saw her first i want to fly

at the screen that could have been like the origin story for like tickman right like batman like he had to go on halloween he wanted to watch he gets bitten on halloween and his costume sticks to him yeah a sadistic clown doctor fucks up there was that goosebumps where the the mask stays on the girl's face that always creeped me out goosebumps yeah that's some shit we got another sexually inappropriate moment here we got unsafe touch coming up there was even one kind of uh sexual moment while we were talking about the the tick where cat woman like runs her hand down batman's chest goes to his abs keeps going lower and she goes oh there you are

and then she like punches him and then batman just fucking backhands that bitch off the building very funny batman don't play no games with with cat woman with poison ivy no you hit him he's just fucking backhands that bitch off the building. Very funny. Batman don't play no games with Catwoman, with Poison Ivy. You hit him, he's hitting you. Yeah. Non-discriminate. No. Batman is for equality. You want to be equals? Now you're equals.

Batman, boom. He's like, you're lucky I didn't drop a pipe bomb to you. Batman would never put a bomb to a woman's chest. He has standards. He's a, you're lucky I didn't drop a pipe bomb to you. I was going to say, Batman would never put a bomb to a woman's chest. He has standards. He's a decent guy. Whose ever idea was to vacuum seal her into that suit, good call. Yeah, made a lot of boys into men.

Yep. I think, wasn't there, Kay Marco, wasn't Catwoman, I remember on KFC Radio, Catwoman might have been, like, the one who, like, you know, turned on the light or something. I remember he was, like, severely attracted to Michelle Pfeiffer and Catwoman. I can't remember the exact story.

The Catwoman at the end of the movie post, you know, suit getting kind of fried up, her hair's all crazy. I'm a big fan of that cowboy. He's got lube. Hey, man. I can't king shame the guy

who grew up in the fucking gutter with penguins. How does he know about lube? Yeah, how does he know about that? I'm surprised he doesn't have blubber. Those fucking king penguins, man, they'd be fucking down there. He's like, how do I get this kind of thing going on there? Yeah, true. All the penguins man they'd be fucking down there he's like how do i get this kind of thing yeah true all the penguins were fucking on set

he's showing them a thing or two oh they get the batmobile blueprints how'd they get that fucking stole it from oh the town of the records no that wouldn't be in the whole records right it'd be silly if they put it in the whole records. That would be pretty stupid. It's right here at Bruce Manor. You can find the Batmobile at any time. That's where the registration is for the car. This was kind of a wholesome fact in my list of facts.

In an interview for television, Stan Winston told a little antidote about how his crew were collecting the mechanical penguins after day shoot because they was mixed in mechanical penguins and found one of the live penguins snuggled up asleep against the mechanical one just an adorable story for you happy holidays everybody like this whole thing where they put the power key in the room it's like they just did it for this scene you kind of had to wedge it in there i understand what they're doing but come on and how about this real bird they had bird puppets on set but pfeiffer thought they all looked too fake she put a real bird in her mouth you know that was like the 12th bird cage tim burton looked at every time he's like it's not big enough it's not it's not twisted enough doesn't reach my vision all the tiny depth in there

robbie how about the fact that we work for a company that has a human size human side of it that was what a what a bust. The early days of Barstool, New York. Crazy shit, man. Yeah, me too. I mean,

in fairness, like, I'm glad it wasn't what it was intended to be and that it was just going to be like whenever Dave got mad at Nate,

he was going to lock him in a cage, which he can't do that. You know, I can't do that to the Nate dog. Crazy shit,

man. It's fucking company work at this fucking circus you know the look of this this penguin uh hideout or lair what have you you know it reminds me of um the movie sleepy hollow like you know gotham started to look look a little Edward Scissorhands-y, but like even there, I see some Sleepy Hollow with this one. You know, Burton's movies really started to like look like they were all in the same universe at a certain point. Not going to lie, guys, her licking herself kind of did something to me right there. Oh, that's totally sexual. Yeah. That's a gift that you see all the time. I didn't realize herself kind of did something to me right there. Oh, that's totally sexual.

Yeah. That's a gift that you see all the time. I didn't realize I kind of dig it. I really dig it now. His hideout reminds me of the Toys in the Attic cover. Wow. That's what comes to mind for me. Good call.

I kind of see that. It is kind of an attic, I guess. Christmas. Shout out Christmas. Look at this. Comparing some fucking nice threads here, these two. A little thread off going on. I'm just happy to see them not walking in front of that movie theater like they did 25 times

yeah pick a new spot bruce this is a bad spot for you why do you keep batman blows it me ouch it's a cat test oh they even got the new york paper headline i know the new york media is brutal. Just like they are for Knicks and Rangers. They are for superheroes. Robin was actually intended to be introduced in this movie. Really?

They wanted to do it in Tim Burtonton's eventual three which never happened as well it's gonna be marlon wayans controversial casting eventually got cut from the script but um they they did some designs of the costume that eventually made it to toys so like there is a batman returns robin which is tim drake and it's the fucking robin toy we had growing up i looked it up today and i was like oh shit this is the robin toy that we played with growing up so i'm sure that was part of your christmas that year mike tim drake also uh my personal favorite robin i think they made him bi this year or they made him they made him gay they made him a different sexual orientation this year. I'm cool with it. I don't give a fuck. There's 10 Robins.

Yeah, I mean, you're out saving the city. You go, you know, suck as much dick as you want. Yeah, we'll celebrate with some dick, you know. It's all good. I mean, if we're playing the odds at this point, there's 17 Robins. One of them is bound to be gay. That's just math.

I even love all of the, the red and white tent vibes. You saw him in the opening scene with the tree lighting, like the circusy. That is so Tim Burton to me. Like he just made Dumbo, which another Danny DeVito. I think they said that was Danny DeVito and Michael Keaton's first movie

together since this, or was Keaton in that, or was it just Danny DeVito and Michael Keaton's first movie together since this. Or was Keaton in that? Or was it just Danny DeVito and Tim Burton's first movie in a while? Dumbo? Yeah. I didn't see it. I heard it wasn't great. Danny DeVito got a painting from Tim Burton.

Tim Burton did a painting of like a little baby penguin. Can you find a picture of this online? I don't know. It's a creep show, man. of like a little baby penguin. Can you find a picture of this online? I don't know. See if you, it's a creep show, man. It's like a little baby penguin sitting in front of that red and white, like circus tent.

Is he a good painter or is it like, Oh, this might be it. Is this it? Yeah, that's it. Very weird. Pretty cool.

I mean, it's way stylized. It's way Burton. It says my name is Jimmy, but my friends call me the hideous penguin boy. Here's some Tim Burton penguin art. Nailed it. All the penguins around him, yeah. What a mind that guy has. What a fucked up mind.

Yeah. Grateful for it, though. Yeah, in a good way. Yeah. Just rewatched The Corpse Bride for the first time in a long time this Halloween season. That's a great underrated Tim Burton movie. You know, this vibe sort of is like precursor, sort of feels like Nightmare Before Christmas with all this goth. Oh, yeah.

You know, with Christmas time, you know, and the juxtaposition of that. Even the big cat heads, the big skeleton head motorcycle people by the way this scene they basically have a similar scene in uh dark knight rises with him and talia al ghul like sitting in front of the fireplace at wayne manor because all the power's been shut off it's shot like the exact same way and shadow talk you see this fucking fire that alfred built it is roaring in a tuxedo no less mama fox has a fireplace and i know from first-hand experience it's not easy to get a good fire going like that no i is solo stove uh uh advertiser on today's pod no all right solo stove.com slash pod father's ten dollars off it's the fucking best fire pit of all goddamn time and it's i don't even know like there's no other way to

describe it other than large and i we say it's like stark tech it's nothing like crazy built in terms of electronics but it like does something with like the way the air goes where a dumb idiot like me could just throw some wood in a fire light it up a little bit of you know sticks underneath and it starts roaring and then it just there's nothing but ash there's easy cleanup so little free plug here but it's honestly like i know how hard it is to light a fire and this thing makes it easy i can't fucking believe it so unless you're alfred who i mean he probably like that's like third week of butler school you learn how to make a good fire yeah that's early and he's from from england i feel like that people from england know how to do that shit by the way commissioner gordon just totally changed his tune

immediately he finds it rang uh you know and turned on batman like that christmas tree girl and you know right on tv batman's an anime it's like don't you think maybe you throw up the signal get them to meet you be like hey what am i supposed to do about this what's going on here give me a call first before you cock block me hey hey gordon when i fucking kill a guy you find them in like pieces you don't find just a little battery in the fucking heart commissioner gordon now working for business insider the fuck it's a hit piece on Batman. If you get stuff on your white gloves as a butler, do you have to change immediately, right?

Yeah. That's standard protocol. I think that's day one butler. Yeah. And it's... He probably has extra gloves like in the pocket, so he's not even seen with a pair of dirty white gloves. Do you throw... They have to be thrown out too.

I feel like you've like soiled the job if you even watch yeah you know it's right in that humongous fire he built toss them in there by the way speaking of uh ads i am going to hit us with a quick ad break before we get into the big uh action of this movie in the big kind of finale it's our friends at bare bottom they're sponsoring the pod i feel like bare bottom i could be wrong do they have a fucking penguin isn't no it's a bear is their logo i'm an idiot um but our friends at bare bottom have some of the most versatile made to last most comfortable menswear around you see batman putting on his bat suit right now 55 pounds it would not be 55 pounds if he got it at bare bottom stretches with your body and your

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shielding up which is so cool for the batmobile to be able to do that like batman could fucking leave it there shield up and then come back to it when he needs to love good timing by the end though too bob i mean catwoman's getting dressed batman's getting dressed and then like bare bottom man gets dressed, and he just fucking, the bear just claws through everybody because he's uncomfortable. By the way, there's a great episode of the 1966 Batman. I believe it's one of the first.

It might be the second episode ever where you see the Batmobile's self-defense system, and the Riddler tries to steal it, and what he had in 66 was just fireworks that would shoot out the top of it. Just a giant fireworks display to show like, this is our car alarm. Somebody's trying to steal the Batmobile. It's good stuff. The Riddler had to flee. Batmobile lost its wheel and Joker got away.

A little Christmas for you. Oh, Shawn Michaels wrestlemania 12 action by the way this is gonna come out after so if you're listening to this i have an interview with freddie prince jr out now that i did like yesterday as we're recording this or today as we're recording this yesterday as it comes out and he compared stone cold steve austin and darth maul and it actually made a little bit of sense so if that interests you if you're a nerd who also likes wrestling this is the interview for you he also said i'm like a young him he said oh my god i'm gonna start listening to your show because you're just like a young me i would love for more people to say that about me you're're like a young Freddie Prince Jr.

This is a great fight scene. Headbutts, backflips, high spots, hostages, whips. Everything you want in a Batman vs. Catwoman fight scene. Snow Princess, whatever she's called. Yeah.

Total Christmas vibe again. She's like a Christmas pageant girl. You know, if you're a henchman, you got to learn how to do a lot of shit you probably never thought you'd have to learn. Like, you need to be able to throw a parade where you're throwing money out into the crowd. You need to know how to hot wire a one-of-a-kind assault vehicle ice princess that's is uh is michelle pfeiffer everyone's favorite cat woman by the way my

favorite yeah no doubt yeah which you know what i don't want to jinx anything but i think zoe kravitz has a shot of uh dethroning her i like zoe kravitz a lot she's great in big little lies and uh uh high fidelity the tv show i don't know julie newmar is like an all-time Hall of Fame hottie. And also, Eartha Kitt was very, you know, Eartha Kitt had a very cool take on it, too. I liked Eartha Kitt the most out of the 66 Catwomen. Catwomen, that sounds weird. Ah, Batman's shot.

Got the wind knocked out of him there for sure It ramps up from 0 to 100 in this movie Real quick Yeah Oh yeah We're uh Let me see where we are in the thing So I can update everyone

We're about 119.10 in Nice 2 hour movie Not too long And this one doesn't drag at all Like every scene feels like it's uh You need it there Nice two-hour movie. Not too long. And this one doesn't drag at all. Like, every scene feels like you need it there. Maybe some of the stuff with walking in the beginning, but like I said, I like all that walking stuff.

We were talking about it before. I feel like growing up, mistletoe was a big thing. Iconic. Kissing the mistletoe. And now, no one really talks about mistletoe. No, mistletoe is now no one really talks about mistletoe no mistletoe is extinct it's dead mistletoe goes against the entire uh you know consent yeah consent climate you know it's a great point that's a great point the mistletoe industry is fucking worth it canceled canceled an industry yeah ripped it ripped the fucking trees out of the ground.

Oh, yeah. There must have been some serious problematic shit as I think back about people at the Missile Toilet Company parties back in the day. Yep, this makes sense. The claws, the Catwoman claws that stick into you, fucking good weapon. Creepy. When he pulls that one out of his skin before. Also, you got to love the Batman that could glide. I feel like that was

maybe suggested by a toy company. Yeah. Definitely. That's Kenner money talking right there. I'd like to see, and I'd be surprised if they did it, because it's supposed to be like Pattinson's early in his Batman career.

I don't know if he has the tech, but I'd love to see him do a little fucking glide. It reminds me of playing like the Arkham games, Arkham City. One of the best Batman like interpretations is the Arkham games Batman. Yeah. Christmas gift pack fuck you if you don't think this is a Christmas movie such a bubbly little Jericho wow I wonder if he got it from there

whether subconsciously or not let's consummate our fiendish union. Always looking to fucking seal the deal, man. He's a pervert. That's a great word for him. Penguin's a little pervert. He's a perv. Big time pervert.

A dry martini. i believe that's the largest drink of choice i was gonna say it's a little large which you know minks large has definitely said the word minks in the last 24 hours oh yeah yeah that's a large word the p word has been probably thrown around with large let's call it with a spade a spade he probably called the p the P word one or more times in his life. What a slick move. You, you're out of here. Yeah. I bet bouncers wish they could do that. Just draft somebody to an umbrella that will make them fly away.

Oh my God. Bitches just keep falling this movie fucking gravity man gravity is a is the big real villain like that's such a that's such a great cat woman look to me when her hair's like busting out of the suit a little bit and stuff it reminds me of a comic book those are always my favorite uh comic shots is when i'm usually's usually a hero where it's like they're fucking all beat up and parts of their like hair or like muscles or like even bones are like ripping through the outfit and you're like all right the coolest spider-man looks are always when his suit's torn to pieces like when spider-man 2 when he's at the end of his fight with doc ock and his mask is like half off even i think of like Rey Mysterio when he gets into a crazy match

and the person tries to rip half the mask off. It always looks cool for some reason. Yep. By the way, I mean, we're recording this Tuesday night, December 14th. We're in fucking spoiler high alert right now, Rob. Oh, I know. I'm completely unspoiled so far.

I mean, everyone has been good. Shady McCoy says he's going to see it with his son. He put the fucking disclaimer out there right now. Did he really? Yeah, he tweeted out. He goes, just so everyone knows, I'm like seeing the movie with my son tonight or something. So like, don't get mad at me at what happens. We got to block him.

I already blocked him. I blocked him live on one of our podcasts. I was like, I'm blocking him right now. You know what? Speaking of blocking him live on the podcast, I'll block him. All right. Mike, do you remember that? Shady McCoy? Yeah.

We on Shady McCoy. Yeah, he said, listen, me and my son are going to see Spider-Man. Heads up. You know how we do. Hashtag warned you. And then he tweeted again, just joking. Don't kill me. Guess what?

You don't joke about that stuff, Shady. Blocked. Blocked. Block stuff blocked not a joking matter but i did see it's got like i think it's got as of this recording like 52 or something reviews on rotten tomatoes 100 all right i didn't read any of them i always thought the buttons on the Batmobile and similarly, and it's not related, but these are just the two things I thought were the coolest, the buttons on the Batmobile and the buttons on Anakin's pod racer. So he's like, those are the coolest buttons.

I just want to press those buttons. You're a button guy. I'm a button guy. Button guy. Great shot of a Batmobile destroying all these cars. Wonder how they did that. Do you think that it's like a premium, like Batman insurance, basically?

Like if you're in Gotham, it's like your shit, you have to pay a little extra because there's a chance Batman's just going to ruin your shit. Or a villain, obviously. We've talked about that a lot with Marvel. That's a great shot of him on the little Batman toy. Old school cop cars, too. Old school cop cars.

Yeah, that's more of the stuff we talked about in the first Batman commentary, where Gotham is like half 40s, half 90s, half 70s. It's cool. It's unique. It feels like another world, which it should. It's DC. It's not Marvel. It's not New York.

I dig it. Full twist on New York. And it all smells bad. No matter what era it is, it smells bad. The streets always look wet. There's always steam coming from every hole and crevice. The old lady. Yeah.

I do miss our Ed Koch-looking mayor, to be honest. Yeah. And I do miss Billy Dee. I thought Billy Dee would have been good to bring back Harvey Dent in this one. And I think they might have planned to. I read that, yeah. They planned to initially. A little bit more.

Who's this penguin guy, Chewbacca? This is, by the way, another fun fact. This is the only live-action Batman movie made by Tim Burton or Joel Schumacher, so not counting the Nolan ones to not feature flashbacks of a young Bruce Wayne, which you don't need. I hope they don't show us the fucking Wayne's die in the Pattinson movie. Yeah. The Wayne's and uncle Ben,

I can't watch you die anymore, guys. That's been too much. I kind of, I'm going to go on the record right now where I kind of hope we get all the uncle Ben's dying in the new Spider-Man. I love the Batmobile kind of turning into a motorcycle there too. It's the Batpod before the Batpod that, you know,

Batmo motorcycle walked. So the Batpod could run. All this political strife is like way too real for me After the last couple years man I'm like fuck this sucks It's like a city being like We need someone that's like not a politician in there It's like oh no this is too real This is too real

Call the mayor Count the votes Yeah All of it call the mayor count the votes like what yeah E2 you know yeah yeah all of it

the movies aged very well all of it yeah Christmas movie too can't get this guy a couple phone books or a milk crate to stand on

or something can't really all those mics are way too high for them. They had the Gotham phone books in the political office. Yeah, that's definitely a big part of this movie that I never noticed before. alfred bringing up security now look out yeah he's talking about security

nails in the back cave prick oh what happened there i love that call great yeah a little response to the uh to the critics of that scene i also always loved the fact that he you know secret bat cave entrance by reaching into the fish tank and pulling a little lever on the house there who would ever think of that kids love man kids are like i don't want that i want to do that i remember thinking it was even cooler that the the bat cave in the fish tank had the lights go on you know i hate to be like the old guy in this but mike i know you can back me up all i could think about is i'm like you know how many kids probably reaching their fish tank after

seeing this movie and probably like murder their fish trying to unlock their secret yeah this one this that was go ahead no i was just i remember that was the thing one. This one. This? Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, I remember that was the thing with Nemo. A lot of people bought clownfish after finding Nemo, and they put it in freshwater tanks, not knowing it was a saltwater fish and needed all the things you have to do. And aquarium stores and fish tank stores, they probably fucking knew. Yeah. And sold them these clownfish anyway.

Yeah. 100%. This fun fact i thought was very interesting the film's sole full theatrical trailer debuted in front of wayne's world in february of 92 um it was attached to other releases later um like home video releases you could see the original trailer on but wayne's world was the only movie in theaters where uh you could see this as the trailer to it kind of strange but sign of times two great movies in 92 also i love that batman has his own like cd dvd player yes and at what point in butler school do you learn hijacking a live pa audio feed yeah he's he really is a renaissance man like just in his back pocket that's definitely like the modern butler like that's like grad

school but like you have to go back at some point to like freshen up on the new challenges yeah al goes to him he's like al he's be saying stuff, but I don't want them hearing what he's saying. Hearing what I recorded. And he's like, no problems, sir. Bruce hits a little scratch on the disc, too, like he's a DJ. Those are Bruce's thinking glasses, too. It's like, oh, he's getting into the hacking now. Everyone just walking off.

I tried. I tried, Oswald. You blew it. Gave him the Jordan shrug. Yeah. By the way, I read that one. Oh, he got pelted by a tomato there. Yeah, one of these people throwing lettuce and tomatoes is Danny Elfman.

Oh, really? You don't get to see. They don't really show. They wanted to put a stand in for DeVito, and he refused. He said, no, I'll take it. Respect. Respect. He doesn't need to do that.

He's still eating off that Twins money at that point, and he fucking does. Now, do you think that they all bring the vegetables with him in case they the guy or do you think there's someone there's a hey you know veggies here if you want to throw out the guy you know five for a dollar or something i think i think it's the latter i think yeah there's probably you see at concerts we went to a concert in central park and there were guys that made their own like margaritas and they were selling five dollar margaritas they were making a fucking fortune on this line i bet it was a guy that brought his own tomatoes like that we need to bring back like throwing tomatoes at people is unacceptable yeah that's like that'll

stop people from saying stupid ass shit in public the island boys when they were at that club the island boys they should have got tomatoes thrown at them at this rate if you go viral it's like a good thing even if it's like bad viral, it's still good. But if you get tomatoes, that's never good. Actually, I'm going to rescind my statement because we have pop punk shows and I want to take any chance of tomatoes being thrown away. True. Fair point.

Fair point. I always loved the penguin boat. That was one of the pieces in the board game. And I always thought that was cool. And I had a toy. One of the toys I got was like a Hot Wheels track. It was like a racing track where in one starting gate was a little Hot Wheels Batmobile. And then another little starting gate was that duck.

I have such vague memories of this. You press the buttons at the same time to see which one could race. It was like a Y-shaped track. And whichever one made it to the center first would always win. But the duck was so heavy that it would never, ever win. They rigged it so Batman could win every time. He always wants to do the Batmobile, yeah. By the way, it kind of is like Frank Reynolds where he's like, and then I just stopped blasting.

Like he got hit by like three tomatoes and he just started lighting up. Open fire. On the media. Yeah. He's like, fuck it. That was outrageous. Short temper. And, you know, you put an umbrella gun in a maniac's hand he's gonna use it

who got him those gloves that fit his his weird flipper hands they're like perfectly sized he's got to know a guy i see has bola puts uh puts instagram ads up for the people that custom make his clothes i bet the penguins got the same guy maybe uh maybe max shrek yeah care for him he's got flippers not fingers gloves black leather this is when you know a villain's losing it he starts shooting his own inner his own guys yeah not good like like that's our guy joker it took a while before he started to really you know go to the the core guys you know what i mean It took a while before he started to really, you know, go to the core guys.

You know what I mean? Took him a little bit. He got rid of some of the guys. Those are guys. Bob was around for a long time. Exactly. Do you think Bob greatest henchman of all time? I hope Bruce never thought about killing Alfred.

No. Well, maybe when he took Vicki Vale. He was thinking, you know, I'm going to have to do something about this. No Well maybe when he took Vicky Vale down He thought about it He was thinking you know I might have to do something about this I might have two bodies to dispose of I'm the only one that sees this fucker

A little masquerade party Something that they would do Once again in the Dark Knight Rises Just a typical rich person thing you know what's a good event we could place Bruce at a gala a masquerade ball

a charity event trust fund goody good yawn fun goody good. Yawn. Very Madonna-esque song here, but it's not. I believe it's Suzy and the Banshees. Huh. I think Madonna might have actually turned down the Catwoman role. Oh, I could see that.

I feel like that might be right. I feel like I heard that. Because you get a Madonna vibe, it's a fight for here, right? Oh, yeah. To be honest, she probably turned it down to be in a league of your own. If Geena Davis turned it down, Madonna turned it down too, because she was in a league of your own. Yeah.

Also, Rosie O'Donnell turned down a role. Everyone turned down a role in this. Yeah, October of this year. Marla Hooch turned down a role. It looks like. Madonna says she regrets turning it down, the Catwoman role. She was like the, what, fourth lead of that movie, you know? She's damn near Betty Spaghetti.

Yeah. I love a League of Their Own. We might? She's damn near Betty Spaghetti. Yeah. I love A League of Their Own. We might do A League of Their Own. Such a great movie. Shout out Tom Hanks, July 9th. Jimmy Dugan, avoid the clap. Also shout out Megan O'Leavy, friend of the podcast, her far and away favorite movie of all time.

She raves about that movie on Instagram all the time, like I talk about Oasis. It's a great one. Yeah. It's a rewatch. You can watch it once a year. Totally. And it's on TV often too.

You can catch it on TV often. You put it on the end. Always a good time. Speaking of watch once a year, this is definitely a movie I watch once a year, right around this time. Rob, I know you're the same. Clem Dog, welcome to the foxhole, brother.

I'm in. I'm in. I'm in the win. And she is getting, you know, she's not hiding anything. Get into that California king, take her costumes off. Like, she's on the prowl. The cat is on the prowl right now, fellas. Yeah.

He's trying to, like, he's trying to, you know, toe the waters toe the waters be like you know you and max what's going on and that's such a vixen move too by the way i've got a teeny little cute gun strapped to my thigh yeah yeah i love bruce's look when he first sees it too that startled look what movie is there they call a prostitute gun i feel like it's's Seth Rogen. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. You gave me the hooker gun. I love Seth Rogen.

My brother and I like Seth Rogen. Doing a bang-up job being hot and a little cuckoo and a little I think I want to take her home and I think I might be afraid to because I might not wake up if I do. The epitome of a crazy hot girl in this movie.

All time crazy hot girl. All right. Red in Pineapple Express. I used to use this little gun when I was a prostitute. I watched Scar I was watching Scarface the other day I think I just looked up the montage of take it to the limit when you know everything's coming up Tony they get married blah blah blah I'm like Pfeiffer man she had the fucking fastball humming back then and this is a different Pfeiffer but I'll fight for over again for the first time I think ever, to be honest with you, man. Oh my goodness.

Shout out to the stuntman on that scene. Jesus, yeah. Big stunt, yeah. Huge. Also, I'll admit, this classic movie I've never seen, Scarface. Didn't know Michelle Pfeiffer was in that. Gotta get on Scarface, my brother.

Now this is the thing, Robbie. You have to pump your brakes. If you watch Cribs into the 2000s, you'd think it's the greatest movie ever because everyone had it in their fucking movie man cave or whatever the fuck. It's like a fine movie, but it kind of like they lumped it in with The Godfather and stuff like that. I think it got a little

above its britches in everyone's minds there back in the 90s. It was a big deal back then. Still a fun movie, though. You should definitely check it out. The Warriors, too. That's on the list, right? Yeah, it's on the list. Gotta watch that. Like, I'll think I would make this guy mayor.

He's already turned cool. You know all of the people with their penguin fucking for mayor bumper stickers are scratching them off in the winter. They're like, oh shit, I can't have someone see this. Taking picket signs off their lawn. There's another very typical Batman villain thing. The Joker does it in the Dark Knight when he interrupts their gala. When's the party going to be? Make sure I can interrupt it.

You see it in the animated series a decent amount too. You think they learn at some point. Don't go to a fucking... If you don't want to die. I guess if you're rich, you don't care about that shit. They got to schedule their parties to be in the new jersey of wherever gotham is yeah you know if gotham's new york put all your parties across the water in jersey and hoboken make sure the

villains don't interrupt it's like they don't have uh what is it when police say like we don't we don't we're not we don't have legislation here or something jurisdiction right yeah yeah jurisdiction it's like villains don't have jurisdiction outside of gotham villains are lazy like i'm not gonna go across the river this time of night no way yeah you're right they're cheap on gas they're like are you fucking kidding me and i gotta pay for ubers for all my fucking goons they're gonna expense those ubers no fucking way tolls both both ways. The duck breaks down over to the Holland Tunnel. On the way through as they're merging down into one lane.

This guy's carrying fucking penguins. Oh, look, the human-sized birdcage. It's like the penguin was Dave. I wonder if Portnoy, I wonder if this was part of his whole plan as he saw this movie. Maybe it was even subconscious, yeah. I like we were watching Hawkeye. He's got his bag of trick arrows. The Penguin's got a bag of trick umbrellas.

Yep. I'd like to know the significance of the umbrella. Like whoever created this character, did he just draw an umbrella in his hand just because wet like is that i don't know because i mean it's it's it goes hand in hand it's iconic it's just yeah you think penguin you think top hat monocle umbrella right gropey. Yeah. He's a pervert. Problematic. Yeah.

You know what would be a dope movie, to be honest, or a dope origin, was how this circus gang came to be. Was this guy the ringleader of a circus? And what happened? Did a circus go wrong somewhere with the grayson's with the flying grayson's involved somehow they should bring that into the uh the batman 89 comic series they're doing i've been reading that how is it good i appreciate the honesty mike i appreciate the honesty i gotta. I appreciate the honesty. I got to be honest. They drew Marlon Williams as Robin, and it don't work.

Oh, weird. By the way, this scene, so these are my final fun facts here. The monkey handing this note to Danny DeVito was something that took a long time because the monkey was so spooked by the makeup. And that handwriting right there is the handwriting of Bob Kane himself. Like, on that note in a frame on the wall. Yeah. That would be cool.

And shout out Bill Finger. John Peters has a whole room full of that, you know, that cool shit. Bro, did you hear that Bradley Cooper plays John Peters in that new Wes Anderson movie, Licorice Pizza? No, but I immediately want to see it now. Bro, Jeff showed me a clip from it of Bradley Cooper playing John Peters.

I had tears coming down my face. I was laughing so hard. I haven't seen the movie yet. I have to see it just so I could see that scene. He said it's like he's in a small part of the movie, but it's supposedly a great movie regardless. Not surprising. Wes Anderson, great director, right? By the way, if you are still listening, like he's a small part of the movie but it's supposedly a great movie regardless not surprising Wes Anderson great director right by the way if you are still listening congratulations we are

almost at the end of a second Michael Keaton Batman movie and you can be listening to us just talk over it yeah but if you're listening and you've never heard Kevin Smith tell a story about John Peters see if you can go on YouTube and and find Kevin Smith talking a story about John Peters? See if you can go on YouTube and find Kevin Smith talking about working with John Peters. Yeah, type in The Death of Superman Lives, his whole story about that, his whole story about Tim Burton. It's the first

evening of Kevin Smith DVD. If you could find that DVD, the entire thing is worth a watch. But these stories are all time, especially in this nerd realm if you're interested in this shit so funny there are those dirty ass long johns they're even like extra stained in the ass right in the crack just so gross they brought those long johns onto set for somebody to wear in like deadwood they'd be like those are too dirty we don't want them that dirty yeah

always thought this was the coolest thing too like the bat skitter kenner once again kenner money stepping up having to say what's gonna happen what a good one that's a good use of the uh the license or whatever kenner and i love the penguins with the fucking bomb strapped to them as a penguin guy I don't like it but as a fan of metal I love it see like you wouldn't do this in New Jersey either right like this only plays

in God like you can't transport the penguins to Jersey and then having them attack with rockets on their back there's too many variables that could happen so you kind of need to do it close to your lair which obviously going to be in the city. So. What a great, what a great lair overall to massive,

just kind of like an indoor igloo under the sewers. It's the one thing about zoos and aquariums that always bum me out is some, some stuff smells so bad. Yeah. You know, like the fish smell or you go to a farm and like the cows just smells like shit it's just the worst when we went to medieval times like the first thing we saw was a horse shit first horse that came out i think it got a little like whoa i'm in front of a big crowd i gotta take a shit now which hey i feel you that was punk concert. Yeah, I'm not shaming that horse.

I've been there. Mike, when's the last time you went to Medieval Towns? You been there recently? I want to say maybe three, four years ago. That's a good answer. In Jersey or Michigan? It had to be Jersey. So you went to the same one we did.

It was our first time ever there. Great time. Yeah, pretty cool. Second time, but. Lady Fox won. Queen of the tournament. Queen of the tournament. They gave her the little sash.

Robbie got cucked by a knight. You know, I jokingly call my wife wench sometimes. She'll go get me something. I'll be like, go get me a wife wench sometimes go get me something i'll be like go get me a pepsi wench and you know she's she's as cool as the day is long and she knows i'm an asshole and she you know give me a smirk and a uh you know it's kind of pepsi exactly when we went to uh medieval times they had a tank top that said wench on it, and I bought it for her. She refuses to wear it, though.

She'll give me a wink and a smile and a Pepsi, but she hasn't put the wench tank top on yet. She won't give you the satisfaction of wearing a wench tank top. Yeah. Look at – this is fucking – This is masterful Alfred work. This is why we ride or die for alfred yeah i love those statues too they're like pulling the levers or whatever the fuck's going on there i dig those like it's like the guardian statues from cleveland and they have the ante with all that

you know it's not the same um production designer as the first one the guy who did the first one was not available so they did a pivot and the guy worked on edward scissorhands with burton i believe and that's why some of that zoo stuff gets real scissorhands looking but you know they up the ante with all this you know uh like russian looking like um you know and greek god looking stuff all over Gotham. And then Schumacher takes it and he just ups it even more. And they just, by the,

by the time you're, we, we said this, you know, on the first bat pod, you know, by the time you're into the fourth one, everything had just been pushed way too far in that silly,

silly direction. But for a while, it's good until it's silly. It's good. Would have's silly, it's good. Would have been so interesting to see, like, movies that weren't made. Tim Burton's version of a Batman 3. They obviously tease a sequel at the end of this one in, you know, a little scene. But how dark was he going to take it?

Was he going to take it darker than this one? You know, I often wonder, are we going to have the technology? Because they're already talking about technology with, like like face apps and face swaps and stuff where like they're putting james dean in like a vietnam oh yeah i heard that permission you know i wonder like a 50 100 years from now is there going to be technology where you watch batman forever but you put the tim burton filter on it and you get to see what it would have been like i bet there fucking will be look at how video game mods work now like how people put different skins over i've seen people put a different skin over like skyrim and they make it look like star wars medieval sword fights they make it look like lightsaber battles like shit

one day we might have yeah someone computer generates tim Tim Burton's Batman 3, and it's just like a fan film, but it's what they thought he would have wanted. You know, if you throw on Iron Man 3, but you put on the Chris Nolan filter, wouldn't it be awesome? You know, I think so. It'll kill all the, you know, hashtag release the Snyder cuts. Like, we have that. It's like just use the snyder filter by the way penguin maybe for the third time in this movie maybe for the second he did it right after he shot the media with like a fucking super fly super fly splash like cross body he nailed both of them yeah penguin is a big like i'm gonna jump you from above guy yeah shout out from the top rope Shout out from the top rope. Shout out from the top rope.

I was just with Jared for the first time in forever. It was, it was nice to be together with him at a wrestling show again. And we were all the way out on long Island. So it was much like the last wrestling show. We went to WrestleMania where it just took us fucking forever to get there and forever to get no villains out there though. No, no, no villains out there though no no no

villains out on long island that's true batman just like this is muhammad ali in his prime you ain't touching me broke a penguin boom smack that full i also like that you know the penguins not really putting up a legitimate fight against our guy batman here you know i saw an interview with a production guy who said the first thing he saw on the script was something like gotham is coated in in pristine white snow and he's like you know for most normal people you're like oh that's that sounds real cool and real nice he goes but for a production guy like me i read that i'm like oh my god that's, that sounds real cool and real nice. He goes, but for a production guy like me, I read that and I'm like,

Oh my God. He's like, how the fuck are we going to make that happen? Yeah. I could definitely see like there needs to be a monkey in this. Like that is a must have, not a want. It's a need. Like, fuck, we needs to be a monkey in this. Like, that is a must-have. Not a want. It's a need.

Like, fuck. We have to get a monkey who obviously caused a lot of trouble on set. Boom. Grappling hook on the ankle. You ain't escaping, Max. What a creepy shot of that clown that is that's some nightmare fuel that was the guy who removed the tick from my neck on looking like the looking like the nevermind baby in there

that's an all-time cat woman look mm-hmm that's probably like a hot toys one of those hot toys realistic figure That's an all-time Catwoman look. That's probably like a Hot Toys, one of those Hot Toys realistic figure dolls, right? I bet they probably have like that head, the normal head. My blood I gave at the office. Yes. A die for a die Shawn Michaels WrestleMania 12 This is the true

WrestleMania 12 yeah great final show down here iconic scene also much like access chemicals in the first one if if you even bump into anything in in like a plant or something it just starts sparking and spewing like crazy yeah sparks ever even like the uh the big polar bear we'd watch just fall down that didn't even look like it was in the ground it looked like someone could have went like that and the polar bear tumbles over i love that polar bear too well this is that weird moment where we see him for like the makeup half a second with no eye black coming yeah and it looks so strange and you're like what just happened why was that weird We see him for like the makeup half a second with no eye black. Yeah. And it looks so strange. And you're like, what just happened?

Why was that weird? Yeah. Because they didn't want to show the eye black on, on Bruce with his face, which is weird because he would have looked cool with it. Yeah. As we see in the, the Battinson trailer,

they show him, they, you know, look at him with his face half painted and he looks like a fucking badass. There he is. Look at him. It's because he's got to rip it off,

which you watch that. And you're like, wait a minute, that's the armor he's working with. Rip it off. It's like a Hulk Hogan t-shirt. I think I watched him get shot in that before. But how else can he get it off from under his chin?

It goes all the way down to his shoulder. He would have to take the whole cape off. That's what he needs Alfred for. Yeah. Mostly. Yeah. He gets home. He's like the kid from a Christmas story where he's so bundled's what he needs Alfred for. Yeah. Mostly. Yeah. He gets home. He's like the kid from a Christmas story where he's so bundled up that he

needs his mom. Can't like look in a different direction. The Joker, the Penguin, they have fucking all these bomb budget, these gun budgets, and it's just human hands is all you need to destroy Batman 2. It's crazy. That Catwoman look is my favorite where she's

got like the no mask on. Just a cool... It's more of a Selina Kyle look than it is a Catwoman look, I guess. I love that. I love when they just shoot. Just no fucking... No fun with it. No monologues.

Just start shooting. That look at the gun is great, too. Great performance. Shout out Christopher Walken. Oh, he's got no bullets left. Sorry, Hans. No bullets. No more tango. Another Christmas song. Look at those Air Jordans.

I didn't quite understand how this worked as a child and even now. Yeah, me neither. Yeah. Oh, she's got two lives left. And they're triple kissing a little stun gun. Electrocuting both of them, but she's got a life to give up. He doesn't. Yeah, not sure that's how that works in real life, but I wouldn't try it at home.

You know? Kids, don't try it at home. know kids don't try it at home no don't lick a taser by the way there's a taser floating around the office and i hate that every now and then i'll just hear a taser go on and someone loud oh look at that i turned the taser on we don't need that we don't need that is that is that the one from back in the day when smith might be yeah it might be talk about creepy that black shit pouring out that papa shango shit oh papa shango i used to wonder if this could happen i'm like is that water so cold that like your kids just start spewing black shit you know it would have been cool if they would have been able to make a real action figure you know how the the jack nicholson action figure could put it in the freezer with cold water and the face turns

whatever if you could do it with the penguin and his mouth turns black like that oh my god look at him all fried up i love that too pristine head of white hair he's burnt to a crisp perfectly campy perfectly tim burton again movie for kids yeah yeah really maybe they were right to be like we're gonna go in a different direction with batman 3 i mean they were kind of wrong i like batman forever but it would have been cool to see i will say though like i imagine there were some kids that got these presents on christmas morning and cried as a ptsd of the movie right that's terrifying right there terrifying i bet hey what's the what's with the black goo by the way because i'm thinking of peewee's big adventure in a pool the gum right yes what the fuck that fucked me up too i hate you know some creepy fuck's got that version of Danny DeVito's penguin tattooed on him?

Yeah. That's a red flag. Right above a Michael Myers. No offense to any basement listeners if you have the Danny DeVito penguin tattooed on you. Yeah, let us see it. Yeah, send us pictures, but we think it's a red flag about your personality. Unless you're a girl, then it's a red flag about your personality unless you're a girl then it's awesome because that's fucking crazy how are these penguins dragging him with like the edge of their flipper

looks messed up always sad though this this this is the one scene where like i actually do feel bad for the penguins they didn't choose life. How does nobody involved in the production of this movie? Watch this though. Go and go. Hold on. What can we figure out a different way? Yeah. How the fuck are they dragging?

They could have, they could have all bent over maybe and like nuzzled them with the beak. That would look better. That would have been good. You put this movie on in 50 years, you put the roadhouse filter over it and somebody kicks him. Fancy car. I love the Alfred car.

I wonder if that's the same one from the first one. It looks like it from the end of the first one when he's got like the champagne on ice. Alfred wearing the top hat, I'd be like, still sus, Bob. I'm still not sure he was in the video in here. I'm telling you, I know the way my brain's working. It's not good. And I love when you get the

ambiguous ending for a movie like this. Alfred's got to be in the car just like this fucking guy with dark alleys. What is it? He's like like Jesus Christ Bruce again I just want to get home Alfred's sleep schedule must be a wreck

oh god he's expected to clean Wayne Manor while Bruce sleeps he definitely does sleep ships like Frank the Tank like there's no way he fucking just sleeps like a normal human being He's expected to clean Wayne Manor while Bruce sleeps? No way. He definitely does sleep ships like Frank the Tank. Like, there's no way. He fucking just sleeps like a normal human being. Somewhere in the Burtonverse, Edward Scissorhands is on a rooftop making an ice sculpture of an angel right now.

And that's what's falling down on Bruce Wayne here. That's a good call. I could see Batman owning a cat just a cat crawling around wayne manor him always thinking of the one that got away when he looks at it just part of his emo personality and alfred's looking at it like yeah who do you think's gonna take care of this book he's like are you kidding me look at that look you know what though like alfred learns to love it because that ends up being like he's the dad who always denies it and then he's in all the pictures with it yeah exactly merry christmas mr wayne if you don't think this is a christmas movie it's a wonderful life it's

like the most iconic christmas movie of all time It's got one scene at Christmas at the end. Come on, this is more of a Christmas movie than that. And just like I like, Clem Dog, the end of a Batman movie, we start slowly scrolling up all the buildings here in Gotham. Yep, it's beautiful.

The true star of the show, would say gotham city yeah it's like a character itself the bat signal and a sign that his work is never done always a villain out there for bats great ending great final shot great ending and i love like i said the ambiguousness of it like she's still out there it's good shit music playing in the background at the end okay i didn't know if there was a christmas carol at the end i couldn't remember christmas song at the end i couldn't remember that no santa claus just some danny elfman score yeah true no no santa there's no signs of s which is fine. It's just I'm trying to think of like – We have the tree. Yeah, definitely Chris's movie.

Definitely passes out. Passing out the presents. She steals from a present store. Project consultant. Bob Kane. No Bill Finger. I didn't mention this during the movie actually, but I can mention it now. Mike, you have to defend yourself.

I got a little heated a couple weeks ago in the basement. We were talking Hawkeye. We were talking Christmas movies. And Robbie's like, I've never seen curses uh national lampoon's christmas vacation it's like i don't and i was like how did your brother never show that to you like that's kind of how you pass it down he's like i don't know he's like maybe he didn't like it so mike tell us what are your thoughts on national lampoons because i didn't want to slander you without you having a chance to retort here i like christmas vacation i don't

really like any of the other vacations okay so because you're not a lampoon guy that's probably why it never made it to me yeah maybe see like for me i see bits and pieces on tv every year just never the full thing it's's just one of those Christmas time. Like it's just in the fabric of, of like America. It's like, it's just one of those movies. You gotta do home alone.

You gotta do elf. You gotta do a lot of people like, you know, it's a wonderful life. You gotta do national lamp goons, Christmas vacation. It's just one of it's a wonderful life. You've got to do National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. It's just one of – it's on that list. I'll do it this year for the first time. I'll give a report on the basement.

I'll see how it was. Okay. I feel like it's weird hopping into the vacation world at 23 years old. I feel like I'm too late. Hopping in at 23 years old, like a million years after it was made, where there's going to be things but i would love to know if it still holds up because that is yeah i mean probably my number two christmas movie maybe three i don't remember where we ended up ranking it but i was just i was

i was a guest that it had never got passed down to robbie i was i was shocked i was appalled but it sounds like you're there it's not like you you didn't i thought there was a chance you might have like replaced it with like Batman returns or some other different Christmas movies, but it's good to know that we're still on the same page here. It's just little Robbie was probably in his own watching the star Wars holiday movie. Okay.

That's fair. By the way, did you see that? Somebody was like, I saw a trailer. I got it. I meant to tweet it at you. They did like an HD fourK of the holiday special, the Star Wars holiday special.

I heard rumors about that. Someone saw like Lucasfilm or Disney posted a clip from it. Jeff D'Lo pointed this out to me. Just a small clip from it, but the film was all restored. And they were like, is that, did that get get restored for a future Disney Plus release or something? I'm fucking praying for it. Because I watch that on Christmas Eve every night when I get home from our Aunt Laura's. Shout out Aunt Laura.

I'll put on the Star Wars Holiday Special. It's truly the worst thing ever. It's so bad that it's almost not even enjoyable at parts. You've got to scroll on your phone for half the Wookiee conversations with no subtitles. Just Wookiees talking to each other and making the same noise back and forth. It's dreadful, but it's the Star Wars Holiday Special. Like, come on.

And I think in a few years we're going to have the Guardians Christmas Special that makes that all good because it's going to be like an homage to that. It's going to be made because that was made. I'm holding out hope that Mark Hamill will be in the Guardians Christmas Special because of that of that but uh yeah also i wanted to shout this out before we got out of here great christmas batman related thing christmas with the joker um batman

the animated series episode if you're looking for a little bit more christmasy batman go on hbo max and you could find that one it's a It's a great episode of the animated series. Beautiful, beautiful. All right. A goddamn pleasure in the foxhole as always, Mike. This has to become a tradition. Like Robbie said, we'll have to get something else for next year. I know eventually we'll move on to forever.

We should just do Batman. We've got two under our belt. It feels good. It feels like I want a third date. Yeah. Any reason to stop want a third date. Yeah. Any reason to stop now? Third date. That's where the magic happens.

I mean, maybe this movie, you know, has got me a little fired up. I don't mean it that way. You got to get that fireplace sponsor for the third date. Third date. Bat nipples. Next one, baby. Come on, SoloStove. Fucking support the bass in SoloStove.

If anyone's listening, any of the salespeople are listening. Merry Christmas to you and yours, buddy. Same to you, my friend. Give all the best to the family. Get those blueys and amazing Spider-Mans into their head. Octobro, we're coming to see you soon. Yeah, I'll see you soon. I can't wait to see you.

It's been literally months. Thank you to everyone who listened. And if you made it this far, thank you. It's fucking cool that you watched the whole movie with us it's we enjoy doing this and it's cool that people seem to enjoy it as much as uh they do i still get tweets people go back listening to the diehard one we did for two christmases ago the batman 1989 one we did people actually asked for these more so i'm glad that we could finally make it happen and like I said, shout out to all the basement listeners who listened to the whole thing.

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