My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 194 - 'THE BATMAN' RECAP/REVIEW WITH CLEM

Episode Date: March 4, 2022

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Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners. You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Just stupid boys making basement noise in the basement, noise in the basement Just stupid boys making basement noise in the basement, yeah, yeah Hello and welcome to My Mom's Batcave presented by 3Chi and Barstool Sports I am your host Robbie Fox, I am with my co-host Clem, or is he? He might just be Vengeance today, I might just be the Riddler today because we are here to talk about the Batman, Matt Reeves' Batman. It is about 9 a.m. on Friday morning as we record this.

I saw it last night. Apparently, I'm not the biggest Batman fan on the fucking podcast anymore because Clem saw it Tuesday. I think I was way more jazzed about it than Clem was based on our instant reactions on Twitter. Clem's you, you really cracked me up with your Batman voice the entire time with yours and whatnot. I felt like, Oh, I gotta, you know, do something. I didn't have a Batman mask. So I had to go with the, uh, Edward Nygma route, although he's not Edward Nygma in this movie, but we'll get into all that. Yeah. Rob, you wore a green bag on your head like an absolute lunatic.

And I talked like an absolute, I can't do this the whole time. This is for the YouTube users. We were all masked up for the YouTube people. Subscribe to YouTube, comment, thumbs up, all that kind of stuff. Keep the lights on in the basement. But as I was going through my notes

for the podcast, obviously, I said, I i said uh during my review i think i said seven out of ten i the weird thing is jose said just give me a number i want a number from each of you so i was like all right i have to go like a whole a whole round number so i said seven as i went through my notes i'd say it's an eight if i had to go just like a round number it's closer to an eight it's definitely not a nine or ten but i don't think it's a seven it's definitely passing grade i liked. I think we'll get into some of the stuff liked, loved, didn't like all that kind of stuff. But yeah, I, again, just, that's the thing is walking out of the theater that that's

kind of the, the, my favorite part about my mom's basement is we don't really have the stuff as soon as it goes live, but like a few days to digest stuff, go on, read the Reddit. There's so much shit that I forgot that I liked in the beginning of the movie. It was kind of, they lost me a I liked in the beginning of the movie. It was kind of, they lost me a little bit in the middle and the end, but all the Riddler stuff I loved. And we're going to go kind of give you guys a heads up.

Obviously in a lot of these shows, we go, you know, recap and then thoughts, recap and then thoughts. Three hour goddamn movie. We have to just kind of hit like the bullet points for each character and, you know, the overarching sides of the film. But again, it was as dark as i thought we thought it was going to be both literally and figuratively gritty emo all that kind of stuff for me i think it was like the the again we like the realness of it but i think when you do that you do lose lose a little bit of the traditional comic bookiness of it. Whereas, however, I will say this,

and I said this to Jose, I DM'd him my score after I went. I said, I think people that actually read the Batman comics and read like the comics that this is based on, I got a free comic book as being the true Batman fan of the podcast. They gave him out opening night on Tuesday night. I was looking through it afterwards

and I was like, okay, like this is a grittier, darker Batman. I've heard of this kind of like, you know, that's out of Batman. I didn't read Batman as a kid like that. I would read a couple of big arcs along the way, but nothing really crazy. I feel like this is probably right in your guy's wheelhouse. I've heard about the whole long Halloween a billion times. I've never read a word of it.

But I think that's kind of where in my mind i think especially i mean the fucking original keaton one right that is straight out of like the old school comic books in that sense um but that's kind of where i i landed when it's all said and done i also heard that there's a four hour matt reeves cut so hashtag release the matt release the release the reeves cut do it no i don't release, the release, the Reeves cut. Do it. No, I don't think that's true. Cause I read an interview with Matt Reeves recently where he said explicitly like,

listen, there's a few scenes that didn't make it into the movie, but the, the cut I put out is the cut. He's like, there's no director. Really? Like this is the cut that I wanted to put out there.

I mean, they let them put out a three hour Batman movie. That's long and drawn out. And that's a slow burn, but I like those kind of movies I was saying I hope it is like Zodiac I hope it is like seven and it really was like they fit in a lot they fit in a lot of different storylines I would probably go it was a nine out of ten for me The Dark Knight is a ten out of ten this was a nine out of ten and I don't want to you

know compare it the whole time but there are a lot of comparisons you can draw to the Nolan trilogy. There are even comparisons you could draw to some of the Keaton movies in a lot of ways. And you hit the nail on the head when you said this is probably the most comic accurate representation of Batman. I think it absolutely is. The detective stuff is what comic readers have wanted to see out of Batman forever. And they spent so much time with that so much time with him going one piece of the crime to the next in this movie to go without saying you know too much into spoilers yet it almost felt like procedural in the law and order way that like

but like in a good way where it's like you know how they find the guy to lead him to the guy to lead him to the guy to lead him to the guy and then they find the guy at the end exactly it had a little bit of that and i liked it and i loved robert pattinson's batman i love that he wasn't concerned with being bruce wayne and we'll get into that a little more in depth as well but like i said nine out of ten and this was as good a lead-off to the new batman franchise as i could ask for because Gotham was awesome and the setups for future villains and where they could actually take this I love I'm like holy shit even let's say the the Keaton 89 and Batman Begins those are the kind of the two big lead-offs for the franchises I feel like they didn't even set up as many possibilities as the Batman did. And they didn't have a Gotham that felt as rich and depthful as this one did.

Whereas like we already know two TV shows are coming, the Penguin prequel TV show and Gotham City PD. I'm way more excited for both of those having seen this movie because I'm like, holy shit. Yes, I want to learn more about the GCPD after this. They're very interesting in this, more interesting than they've ever been in a Batman movie, I would say. And the Penguin was awesome. Ken Jack, I talked to afterwards, and Ken Jack's like, listen, I'm still not buying that that was Colin Farrell until I see a video of him putting the prosthetic on

because he was unrecognizable, and he was definitely kind of like a gangster. They call him Oz in it. I was like, oh, look at that, Ozzy. That's a new nickname for Penguin I love it I like that when we kind of get the origin Story for the guy who we know who it is But they're not calling him it yet

And you kind of see how it goes and it's not obviously the Superhero but it is obviously an important villain Yeah the whole Gotham Gotham thing I do think that This is an example of DC Kind of like mapping Out ahead of time and saying, all right,

now we have this HBO max there. They're adapting with the times kind of like Marvel did with Disney plus. And they're saying, all right, now we have to do the same thing. We have to have the TV shows come out. We make this, these other characters who are,

you know, quote unquote side characters more interesting. And then it gives depth to the whole universe and stuff like that. And I, you know, they obviously didn't have that in, you know, the late eighties,

nineties, and then even two thousands with the Nolan and the the keaton films uh i i walked out of batman begins i was trying to figure out if i like this more than batman begins and i don't there's something about batman begins maybe it's just i liked bail and whatever um and i like the whole that seeing that whole origin story and how they had changed it just a little bit on the screen i kind of like the way that played out a little more. But that would be very close for me as well. Like the dark nights,

my number one, if that a shadow of a doubt, I think it's the most perfect movie ever made. It's my favorite movie ever made. So it's very hard to top that, but like, this is right up there with the other two Nolan movies for me. And I think I would put it above all the other ones.

And that says a lot. Cause I really love the first four, the, even the Schumacher ones and Burton ones, obviously I love, Even the Schumacher ones, Tim Burton ones, obviously I love. But the Schumacher ones hold a special place in my heart. This movie is without a doubt better than those. I mean, it's like such a well-made film. I saw AMC gave it the artists and films tag.

I was like, oh, yeah. Oh, it's that hard? It makes me feel like an astute you know, an astute film goer. When I see that tag, you know, I have to admit this. I wonder if this swayed me at all. I got there and I got there like right before the show time. And I couldn't get my popcorn because there was a huge line. I was like, I don't want to miss any of the movie.

And I, I got in probably with like, they had like the little pre-show commercial. They had like two commercials. It wasn't even like trailers. I missed all the trailers. Good thing. I didn didn't get pop i feel like you can't eat popcorn during a film that's a movie snack right you know yeah i got a lot of snacks and i ate them all before the movie because i went to a 5 30 showing and i was so concerned that there was going to be a line out the door we showed up at 4 45 i was the first one in the theater literally the first person in the theater there was more trailers than I've ever seen before

a movie. I was like, holy shit. I've seen the trailer for this stupid Lost City of Z movie more times than anyone has seen any trailer. I swear, I've seen that trailer 20 times. It's Sandra Bullock and Channing Tatum and Daniel Radcliffe. It looks like a piece of shit, but let's not even talk about that. Let's talk about

the Batman. I have to say one thing. I have to say one thing too, that you had kind of mentioned with seven and Zodiac. And this is kind of where I think maybe my expectations were a little too high. I think it's almost impossible. I wanted a comic booky Batman movie, but I also wanted the rawness of a seven.

Right. You can't do that without an R rating. And, and it's like, and then I think at some point then you're just, you're getting fucking gruesome. And I don't know if that really plays with a Batman. It definitely doesn't play.

If you're looking to, you know, get kids into the movie theater. So I think that was, that's kind of one of the, yeah, don't bring your kids to this. Yeah.

That's like a definite. It's not allowed. Yeah. Yeah. Your kid has to be pretty like, I mean, if you have a, he's like 12,

13, maybe you could handle it, but it's definitely, it's way darker than any Marvel movie. It's, you know, probably even darker than some of the old DC movies. That was another funny thing about this. Whereas I was like the old Batman, the Scott Snyder or the Zack Snyder Batman, the Scott Snyder Batman, the comic book writer is great.

The Zack Snyder Batman, I wasn't the biggest fan of. And there was part of me that said said I think he went too dark with Batman and then Matt Reeves took it way darker and I loved it so I was like alright maybe I just didn't like those movies and that's the perfect way to say it there's plenty of ways to go dark with different characters it's just how you do it kind of like James Gunn

almost goes like light with certain characters but he makes you love them nonetheless right and I will stick to that too I said during uh my review right you know instant reaction before and that's the other thing about this that make me like them more there's so much again as a casual fan there's so much stuff that i didn't realize and we'll get into it with the spoiler aspects where we go character by character there's so much other stuff being set up that i didn't realize i didn't realize the pain i forgot the penguin was getting his own show I didn't realize where Catwoman's going how

That's gonna impact oh shit like that's actually Important I just thought they were just saying all right We're not gonna see her in the second episode Or the set you know potentially in the next movie So those are two other Things that were a little different for me Yeah I gotta take this off Because I'm suffocating under it

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oh yeah throw the glasses on too all right the nerds are back oh my god sweating under that i don't know how paul dano did it the whole movie um all right let's get into the movie a little more in depth we're gonna go not like clem said like beat for beat because we'll be here for four fucking hours if we try to do that but we're gonna go more character by character i feel like that's what people are kind of interested in what we thought of the new interpretations of these characters let's start with robert pattinson's batman and spoiler spoiler spoilers from here on out a bunch of spoilers in this podcast so if you haven't seen the movie, I would recommend you go see it.

Like I said, 9 out of 10. 8 out of 10 from Clem. So even if it doesn't sound like he's over the moon about it, 8 out of 10 is a very good review. And it's a very good lead off to this franchise. So, I mean, it's the new Batman movie. Put aside three hours. Go see it.

It's fucking Batman. Come on. It's awesome. If you turn on this podcast without seeing it and weren't expecting spoilers, you're a savage. And God bless you. there are people like that you guys are the best you guys are crazy robert pattinson's batman i loved i absolutely adored i thought i was going to love him going in i called myself the number one battinson stand because i bought the first pieces of merch the day they went on sale in august of 2020 and i was like this guy is going

to knock it out of the park and i felt like he did the fact that they went with like a Kurt Cobain esque inspiration, like Kurt Cobain right there. This movie felt like it was just made for me. The fact that they use the Nirvana song twice throughout it, like even at the end, that was like, fuck,

this is awesome. I really didn't think they were going to, I thought there was just a trailer thing. So as soon as it kicked in, like, I was like, Holy shit, this is cool. I loved his hard, no killing, no guns rule.

The last time we saw Batman on screen, he was shooting people in the face. I didn't like that. I'm not a fan of that. That is the number one thing. I was mad. That's the number one thing Batman doesn't go for, guns. Even with the rubber bullets bullets the Frank Miller version like I don't stay away from that and they did stay away from that they made it a fucking hard

rule the the fighting with Selina Kyle for the gun it was realistic like the struggle I liked all of that I like that he wasn't interested in being Bruce Wayne we've seen a lot of Bruce Wayne in the Batman movies and a lot of times it kind of distracts from the cool batman villain stuff whereas like he has a romantic story or something we got if you did percentage wise i was thinking like percentage of bruce wayne to the percentage of length in the movie i would say there's probably as little bruce wayne in this as there ever has been and i didn't miss any of that stuff like i thought it was bruce wayne was cool because he was more angsty he's more you know he's kind of a dick to alfred to be honest which i didn't love any of that stuff. Like I thought it was Bruce Wayne was cool. Cause he was more angsty. He was more, you know,

he's kind of a dick to Alfred, to be honest, which I didn't love. He was like, you know, he loved him clearly. Cause he was worried about him when shit was going awry. But yeah,

you know, he was kind of a dick. And the main thing about Robert Pattinson's Batman that I think blew me away is that Robert Pattinson's Batman and Jeffrey Wright's Gordon is my favorite on-screen batman gordon relationship we've ever seen and i'm not saying that necessarily they're my favorite batman and they're my favorite gordon but their actual relationship the scene between them in the jail cell where they brought batman in and then gordon is like you're gonna have to punch me in

the face and get out of here you're gonna have to to have to punch me in the face and get out of here. You're going to have to take the key, punch me in the face, get out. That was like, yes. Even though the whole police force doesn't believe in this guy, Gordon does. And that's Batman's right-hand guy. And there's a level of distrust there. I like that they went back to Gordon turns around and Batman's gone and he's doing that again. And that's like classic Batman. Every time they do that, it gets a little cheap pop out of me.

But Robert Pattinson's Batman, for it to kick off a franchise, man, he was as good as it gets. And the actual fear that he struck into villains, when he would come out of the shadows like it was fucking Darth Vader in Rogue One, that was awesome. Yeah. So I wasn't sure how he was going to play as Batman because, again, you think of Robert Pattinson, at least someone like me, who hasn't seen a ton of his stuff. I don't know if I even saw any of the Twilights. And my wife was obsessed with those movies. Oh, yeah. He, I could see like, all right, I could see how he's going to do his Bruce Wayne.

But I'm not sure how he's going to do his Batman. And I loved the Skull Gang fight in the beginning. And that's the kind of Batman that I love seeing where he's just beating the snot out of some fucking punk kids. And the relationship with Gordon, I think it might have been my favorite. I liked the Nolan ones. I liked – the thing is I'm like lumping in Dark Knight, those scenes. And it's like you're putting those scenes. It's like, yeah, I loved all the shit with Han Solo in Empire Strikes Back.

Yeah, it's one of i loved all the shit with you know han solo in empire strikes back yeah it's one of like the top five favorite my top five favorite movies of course it's gonna like skew a little differently there but it was like there was the a lot of the comedic breaks were between those two right and like you said it was almost like this was one of those movies where it seemed like he was closer with gordon than alfred which was kind of weird and it was a change of pace especially because you know that like he mentioned at the beginning it's been two years since he's been doing this uh but you know you would imagine that alfred basically helped raise him after his parents were gone alfred had the relationship with the waynes but then also has this relationship with bruce

but i'm sure bruce has like a lot of like harbors these different feelings toward alfred where it's a little more confusing where it's just like him and gordon you know and it's detective gordon at this point right so we're not even being the commissioner so uh i i'm excited to see that relationship grow i'm excited to see the rise of gordon right along the way as well so again jeffrey wright was a great gordon he was really good in that role i expected him him to be good. As soon as they announced that casting, I was like, fuck yeah, that sounds amazing. And it was as good as expected. Agreed. I didn't know, kind of going back to where I was with Pattinson, I didn't know how he

was going to be as a fighting Batman, as like the strong guy. And I couldn't believe it was Pattinson. I was like, did they move like someone else into that suit? And obviously the suit does a lot of the work for you. But it's like when you watch, I don't know if you ever watch like last chance you you watch these linebacker you see like the kids going to class and then you're like oh wait that guy's a linebacker and he looks so much bigger because of his pads and you forget that these kids are sometimes just these scrawny kids who are fast and can just lay a wallop down and that's almost what it was like seeing with

pattinson as the batman um seeing him have fear when he goes to the top of that police into the roof of the police station and he's like shit like he's probably never done that before because it's only his second year as batman and he's running away from the fucking police instead of just like a bunch of knucklehead villains and then seeing him just completely fail you like felt every like hit when he he starts gliding he hits like the bridge i think it was or the yeah like the bridge and the truck he tried to go underneath him that was brutal because i think it was or the yeah there's like the bridge and the truck he tried to go underneath him that was brutal because i expected it to be the coolest fucking shit in the world i was like oh my god he's gonna nail this it was like you saw that movie in 40x

you probably got a beating oh that's right yeah i think i saw that that was an option for like the the later showings for the true not for the non-true fans and i was like man like i wonder how that is i didn't even think man you got your ass kicked during that scene uh the bat tech what did you think about the bat tech so again it was it was a little it's only you know year two so we're not dealing with you know crazy stuff that we have in the other movies but i love the contact lenses i thought that was such a contact thing to have so early. The contact lenses were awesome. Awesome. As soon as he took that out the first time, I was like, well, that's the coolest shit I've ever seen. Like, he's recording all of his crime sessions, watching them back.

I loved the narration as well. We've never gotten a Batman, like, narrating the crime scene and stuff. And it felt very comic book-y, like the inner monologue, the square panels instead of the word bubbles. I loved all of that. I loved the bat suit, the bat technology in terms of the grapple hook. He used the grapple hook a bunch. Jose said he was missing the grapple hook in the Nolan movies. He's going to be happy about this one.

The Batmobile, I loved. The chase scene with Penguin was fucking badass. We saw a lot of it in the trailer, but it still played. That was something that me and Jeff talked about after after the movie the trailers gave a little too much away actually i thought the scene where they corner the riddler in that diner would have been way better if that wasn't in the trailer like i that i don't know why they put that in there i don't know why they put the confrontation between him and the riddler in there maybe it's because that was like there was kind of a little riddler in the movie there wasn't a ton of him he was good in the short scenes he was in but

i definitely didn't get as much paul dano riddler as uh we thought the new bat cave is awesome i think under the subway it's in the train station like the abandoned train station the new wayne manor is very keaton-y i thought like in terms of its gothicness and it kind of looks like he would have suits of knight's armor randomly laying around and stuff so i liked the bat tech yeah i wish we had gotten we had i you know i i was surprised i guess i should say that we didn't get because i thought we're gonna get the whole origin where where the gun is in as like the battering or whatever it was now yeah because like where wasn't did you blog that was that a blog back in the day that that was metal that's how we got the whole metal yeah it was the whole metal thing

it might just be the battering which was cool in and of itself that he takes that out and it's a fucking slicer battering or whatever but it was originally like thought to be that because the the bottoms of it look like the bottom of a pistol or something so like it was a fan theory i don't think it was ever confirmed so maybe it still could be confirmed and the gun is now his battering or some shit but who knows maybe it's in that comic you got yeah i'll check that out i'll get back to you for the diehards out there. I thought we were getting... This is fucked up. This is how you know your brain is broken when you do podcasts and stuff like

that. You said, what is one big prediction you want to make? My prediction was originally that we were going to have Alfred die in the movie, and I was like, there's no way you could kill Alfred in the first movie of a Batman theory. Then when he fucking blew up, I was like, I fucking almost nailed that. God damn it. I missed that, you know, plus 900 fucking long shot on the Barstool

Sportsbook. I was like kicking myself for it. But then I'm like, I also don't want to see Alfred die, especially because I didn't make the prediction. So that was like a real twist out there. And then I thought we were getting a Bruce Wayne reveal where everyone's going to know he's Bruce Wayne. I'm like, I can't do this. Everyone just knew, spoiler alert spoiler alert spider-man was spider-man i guess it's not a spoiler that's from fucking like uh three years ago with mysterio so um those are those are two of the guesses i was gonna have in the preview pod um but the young alfred it's gonna take some getting used to having a younger alfred but again i kind of like seeing all this stuff starting year two and then hopefully in a few years from now we feel like we've grown with the characters and all the shit that's happened along the way

there is an earth one alfred who is a bit younger and he's like part of like the british like military he used to be part of the british military and shit that's how he got his start as a security guard for the waynes or some shit and that was a cool alfred and he was like kind of a badass so i could see andy circus being maybe taking some things from him where it's like, if someone wants invades Wayne Manor or the bat cave, he might like sneaky fuck them up. Yes. That's okay.

That's an Alfred I can sign up for. And that's part of the sweet part about having a younger Alfred that isn't so prim and proper. Right. He still fucks with the cufflinks. He's still wearing cufflinks. He's still out. There's about Bruce so much much like that is something that came through in anti-circus's performance he also wasn't in the movie a ton i didn't really expect to get uh you know a ton

out of alfred but after the nolan trilogy we got so used to that being the relationship like you said it kind of transferred to the batman gordon detective work relationship i loved them going through all the thumb drive and then the next riddle like the riddles were fun and they were like you could figure them out as they were going along me and my girlfriend returning to each other like oh shit is that do you think that's the fucking thumb drive yeah it was like fun to watch it unfold with batman and that's why we all wanted a detective story like this with the noir setting and stuff and we said we wanted gotham city to be rainy that city was gonna flood with or without the riddler holy shit it was raining every night every single night and i liked in the morning it would like

clear up for the nice sunrise but the grittiest uh week in gotham city history this might be more grounded than the nolan. Do you think that? No, I definitely think that. And I also think part of that is because, I mean, I'll be honest with you, like after the last two years and all the shit we've been through, I'm like, this is a little too realistic. Like I almost want to escape like all the shitty politicians on all sides of the aisle who are kind of fucking and leeching from like the rest of you know the poor and the middle class here and i'm just like fuck these people and fuck the billionaires and fuck everything else and it's just like that it was like extremely grand and

again like the non-stop rain it's ollie from family guy it's gonna rain that was basically in gotham so uh and but again like i i liked how it was like mostly modern you kind of could see maybe a couple sprinklings of other eras and stuff like that. The super time square screen that they had where it was like all those different screens. And then the garden, it was like Gotham square garden. I think they called it. It was literally like right out of MSG. And then just even like the clubs vibe where it's like, you kind of have, it's like in

this CD, like under a subway. And then there's clubs within the clubs and there's actual big time players in these like super seedy places it you know as people that you know lived live in new york and work in new york like i felt a lot of new york city in in a lot of that you know a lot of new york city but gotham also thought, felt like its own again, where it's like, yes, still isn't New York. It had a great backstory. I loved all the stuff with the mob and the Waynes and the corruption, the twists in that. And the fact that they put a little twist on Batman's origin story where it's like maybe the Waynes killing wasn't a senseless crime. Maybe it wasn't just for the pearls. Maybe it was because of this whole Falcone, Maroney, you know, not Maroney actually in the end, but the whole information is getting out about Martha, her being in Arkham, her having some mental issues because of what she went through, childhood trauma.

That stuff was brilliant. Brilliant, I thought. I thought sending Bruce Wayne through that journey and him having to find that out, him having to go into the club and hear it from Falcone first and then hear it from Alfred bedside at the hospital, those were great scenes with Pattinson. Awesome acting in those scenes. I was all ready to say, the Waynes were the big winner of this movie

halfway through. I'm like, they didn't die. They didn't die on screen. They made it. Oh, I love that. We can't not mention that as well. They didn't fucking kill the waynes thank god we don't need to see that shit anymore exactly they've been killed a million times i thought that was going to be how we revealed that the gun is on his chest but they didn't do it but then

it's like now they're no longer the pristine waynes who you know got killed and were you know angels of this earth and got killed for like you know angels of this earth and got killed for like you said a set of pearls they got killed maybe for some like you know getting in the dirt and you know how dirty was it and you kind of have in where it's like their hands are still relatively clean when it's all said and done but then you're throwing the arkham's in which i appreciate and i don't really know a lot about the arkham school i'll have to dive into that a little bit i kind of like pairing it all together um and then all that leads to bruce kind of being this you know quote you know don't you dare use the o word on bruce we learned that one don't call him an orphan he is a billion he's

a billionaire he's his own butler if you call him an orphan but just kind of seeing having that emo sense about him which that was the robert pattinson that i think a lot of people thought of when they heard the casting announcement um and then i also like that he was able to kind of walk around a little bit and he if someone noticed him it would take their breath away but he wasn't like this super duper rich playboy bruce wayne and he's you know with a dime on his arm and he's fucking you know wearing a tux and doing these fundraisers he He would kind of just throw a hoodie on and, you know, go take care of his business that he would have to do as the Batman on the wall. So that, that was, that was kind of like the dichotomy of the two.

I did appreciate that more than I thought I was going to. Um, every time like he comes out, it was fucking like Snoopy with the fucking cloud over his head and Nirvana starts playing. It was kind of like funny how we see this Bruce Wayne come out. I loved all the undercover stuff when he's in the hat and the hoodie and the, he's got like the COVID mask on basically the undercover Bruce Wayne detective work where he's following Selena Kyle and stuff was awesome.

It's a good way to get into Zoe Kravitz's Selena Kyle right up there with the best of them. I was thinking back, obviously the Holly Berry cat woman movie people hate the basketball scenes, the worst thing that's ever graced the big screen or the best but let's let's take that out of the equation aside from her we've really never gotten a bad catwoman eartha kitt back in the 66 uh series there's a couple catwoman the 66 series uh michelle pfeiffer and hathaway zoe kravitz up there with the best of them i thought she was great i thought her fighting style where she was using her feet as much as she was using her hands

was awesome it was like a cat would fight her costume was great i like that i think i mentioned last week her beanie just has like the creases that make the cat ears and that's such a simple thing that was cool and the familial twist where falcone winds up being her father the whole thing with her mother being killed strangled amazing amazing twist i thought i called it i will say that as soon as they were like what's that relationship it was like falcone your fucking father they go going there in this movie and they went there I like that they did the romantic thing with her and Batman but they don't know who each other are and whatnot I loved that and I like where they left it with her and Batman kind of going their separate ways

that is a final shot and them working together throughout this movie I thought was really really good yeah so I I loved, the vibe of her. And I think, you know, I guess Michelle Pfeiffer kind of has a tour. You're kind of like living on a shoestring budget in the city. Right. And she's kind of just doing that as well. The, all the cats and whatnot. And then it's like, are they friends?

Are they enemies? Are they lovers? Are they just fucking, you know, I, I like that kind of, there was definitely a lot of like sexual tension and stuff like that. That was cool i will say at the end the motorcycles driving together kind of gave me like john and danny riding their dragons and i was like this is i don't really need this and then they're like going separate ways i will say i like that he looked in the rear view it's always nice when you know the other person's looking at the rear view seeing you go um and she you know

what it's for the best. Like we know there's two things Batman doesn't believe in using guns and going down on his lady. So she might not have been the most satisfied cat by the time it was all said and done. She'd be have to lick in herself, you know, looking at her paws to get the job done there. And that was the other thing is apparently she's going to,

was it blood Haven? I think so. Yeah. That's what people were saying afterwards. So that is a twist. That was a part of the story that I didn't understand. But yeah, in terms of like the whole, the fighting style, the whole character and all that stuff.

And like, let's be honest, like Catwoman being sexy is a legitimate thing. And she definitely filled that role as well. I mean, Bruce was a bit of a pervert at one point he's snooping her while she was changing perv yeah i'd be like perv move i love bruce like dude come on um i i think we'll i mean we'll get into with all the mob stuff i will say like i think i think if they had kind of done the mob stuff either in another movie or maybe just kind of touched on it. And they,

I think that was where I got lost along the way. Cause there was so much stuff. Yeah. I did appreciate the detective stuff with Gordon and all that stuff, but I was like, there's so much stuff going on here. I would have liked it personally if they could have maybe, like I said,

tighten it up two and a half hours, two 20 with kind of what they had, some stuff with the mob stuff and then the whole her origin backstory stuff i think they could have done at another time but again i don't have i don't see the giant whiteboard that dc is bringing into their rooms to kind of you know copy uh flaggy and matt reeves definitely has a whiteboard i think he's not interested in the uh like outside dc world he's like no no there's enough shit in just the batman universe where i'm gonna focus on making a cool batman universe which i'm like way way way

for i love batman so i'm like yeah don't fuck with superman now like all that shit leave it in the the rear view let the dceu do that if they want to do that but matt reeves focus on creating a cool gotham this feels like the gotham from the arkham games and that's like the best compliment i could possibly give it it's also i think the closest it feels to the animated series which is funny because that's you know sort of a lighter show in a lot of ways and this is the darkest interpretation but you saying you didn't love the mob stuff is so funny because i loved the riddler stuff but i think i might have been more into the mob story and the penguin story than even the riddler stuff like i liked the riddler yeah i liked him i liked to have a shot all of his killing scenes like it was a fucking michael myers kill like the out of focus stuff was cool um the actual riddles were cool the zodiac killer ciphers were cool his outfit was cool i like that

the end he's kind of just a fucking incel i guess he's like posting on his message board to 500 followers like bro come on you got to get more than that if he's a fucking riddler 500 loyal followers though very very loyal they would put on the fucking thing i might be one of my look like i was when i started this thing uh i liked him we might get flagged on youtube we might get flagged on YouTube because you wore that mask. I liked Paul Dano's Riddler. I'll have to watch it a few more times before I know if I love him. Like Ken Jack texted me right after, like he might be second to only Heath Ledger for me on Batman Villains.

And I didn't feel necessarily that way. I didn't walk away being like, that was an iconic performance. I guess time will tell. But yeah, I was a little more fascinated in like penguin and even Falcone. But there was never a scene with Riddler on screen where I was like, all right, I'm ready to get to the next thing. I obviously loved his stuff too. Yeah. So the Riddler carried it for me. And that's when I,

when I was going back and taking the notes and just like remembering all the stuff I said, all right, like I was like the Riddler movie, I liked more. And this is the other thing that kind of threw me off mentally. I thought, you know, with, all right, this is the reveal of the Riddler and the Penguin. I'm thinking we're getting these two villains and whether they team up or they're fucking with Batman as a two front war, how is that going to work? And it was more so the Penguin origin story, right? As Falcone was kind of the big dog of that entire scene so that's

why i maybe mentally going in that threw me off um but with the riddler i mean that opening scene it's like all right we're killing the motherfucking mayor that's how we're starting things off like we're not starting at little fish here we're starting with the mayor of gotham so opening scene was fucking awesome and as I was watching that I was thinking like you think that was legit the first thing that came to mind the first thing that Matt Reeves wrote or do you think he was like halfway through the movie and was like I have a fucking fire idea for the opening scene we're gonna have the Riddler kill the mayor and the like and the the like point of view shot where he's looking through the window it's like what are we looking at right now is this

Bruce Wayne looking at somebody is this you hear the breathing so it's kind of like nah this is probably fucking an evil guy when they do the breathing it's that's kind of the michael myers thing um yeah he paul dano was very good and in the scene where he's talking to batman do you think by the way this was i saw it kind of debated online when he's saying bruce wayne do you think he knows that batman is bruce wayne and when he says he's the only one we didn't get he's kind of like hey i know you're bruce but i'm not gonna fucking let everyone else know on the camera or do you think he legit didn't know and batman took a sigh of relief like oh thank fucking god he doesn't know that's what i'm not sure because i'm like why wouldn't you just tell everyone?

And that's when I thought, I was like, oh, no, we're getting the whole everyone knows his, you know, identity. The first, you know, first, you know, movie of this franchise. Which you can't do with Batman. You could do that with Spider-Man. You can't do it with Batman. Cannot do with Batman. So that was something that I was really upset about. But that part, I don't know.

And I didn't see that. I didn't know if there was a debate. I thought knew in my mind i was like i think he knows and he's just like hey i'm not gonna fucking blow up your whole thing because we're kind of one of the same here but i know and i just want you to know i know i want you to know that i know that's kind of how i took it yeah yeah that's kind of how i took it this is how you know that of how I took it. This is how you know that opening scene. And that opening scene, you know what I thought it was? I thought it was going to be how the Waynes get killed. I thought we were going to watch another Wayne getting killed kind of thing.

And I was like, fuck, here we go. I went to, yesterday I went to the pizzeria for lunch. And Ave Maria started playing. And it fucking sent like a chill down my spine. So you know something's good is when the songs play and you think of, you know, a scene or a movie and associate it with. And I like where Paul Dana starts singing that to Bruce is fucking chilling. It's chilling. Yeah.

I like to think Reeves started there and built kind of like I like to think that Nolan started with the heist with the Jokers and all this stuff. I got to watch that movie. I fucking love that movie so much um and i appreciated that they just said all right listen we're not going after you know some low-level uh corrupt politician we're going after the mayor it's like when you're playing a role-playing game and you're not starting out with 10 hit points on your guy you're just getting watched by shitty fucking villains it's like nope this the stakes have been raised this is a batman movie and this shit is going to go off the rails from the jump i really appreciated that i also loved the the greeting cards now this i'm trying to get did he buy these cards he's like oh this would be a good

one to give to batman or did he make them because i kind of had to buy him i think they looked they looked so professional he had to buy i mean his shit looked all you know janky thrown together his kills were also fucking scary him having rats bite people's faces off and shit him having the bomb strapped to the guy's neck that was almost like the pizza killer do you think they inspired they were inspired by that when what was the netflix series like crazy evil genius or something yep that was almost like that that guy thought also kind of looked like kirk minahan as i was watching like oh man that guy kind of looks like kirk the district attorney the former district attorney the the and yeah so we're going to the da we're going at the mayor you know fucking bruce wayne the rat thing reminded me of uh the tickler in uh game of thrones where they

would light the back of the rat's tail or like ass on fire so he would just eat through the person's chest so i was like yeah you want to talk metal there was a lot of metal fucking killings you're dealing with the one bat in his fucking apartment with the last thing that was that was sick when he's like this one's not a rat that was a tough look to l radado or whatever and i'm like come on like rat with wings like url yeah like who doesn't call a fucking like i've called a penguin a rat with wings but like a bat is a rat with wings it's just fucking like it's right in front of your entire thing is the batman you should know it's a rat with wings i also want to just let this be known to the people in the podcast your pal clem right here i was the best card giver back in the

day like um i would go it would be it would be thoughtful it would be funny you have to get a funny card anyone that doesn't get you a funny card is just an thoughtful. It would be funny. You have to get a funny card. Anyone that doesn't get you a funny card is just an asshole. And it would just be one of those cards that would be, I mean, at worst, a nine out of 10 every single time. I'm done buying cards. I'm hashtag done, the wife, the kids. I just don't do cards anymore. I think it's just like spending $6 for a Hallmark card, just not worthy. You have to get out, find them. There's never anything good anymore. But I appreciated the Riddler taking the time to find a good card. As a card guy, I appreciated that.

And did you get Joker, Ledger Joker vibes when it was Batman and the Riddler in jail and he's punching the window? Come on. Yeah, yeah. That was the first thing I thought of. What do you do? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Definitely. I also got a shout out. My girlfriend is a superb card giver. And the last card she gave me for Valentine's Day had two penguins holding hands on it. And it said it was custom made. She does the Etsy and everything. Said, you are my favorite mammal. Oh, shout out Lady Fox.

That's incredible. We are all favorite mammals. I mean, it was really good. I was like, oh shit, that's really, really good. I didn't even think about Etsy being in the game now too. Cause I'm, I'm old school. I go to like the, you know, I still go to like the Hallmark store or maybe like a CVS. I don't even go to like the grocery store to look for them.

And there's just nothing good. But Etsy probably murders the fucking card giving game. She got me. I hope you have a low key birthday. And it was low key. Lady Fox knows who she's dating. Real good at those yeah um when he when they dug up the like you said the the murdering was like you just heard the sound

of the duct tape coming off and like sent the chill down your spine uh the the fun little games he played thumb drive and you know the the stuff with like the gordon being disgusted at that was so great when he's yeah oh god damn it uh the phone ringing the whole time and it's just in his hand and it kind of like you're like arrested by like fear of it all so i loved everything and then the seawall blowing up and he's just hearing it he's basically like getting off to the sound of all the bombs going off and jose nailed it he said we're gonna be getting a flood here and it's gonna probably set up the gotham city pd hbo max series and all that kind of stuff um i will say though the one part of it that i didn't like actually no let me go back i i liked the fact that he was this guy with like

500 followers this little incel it was almost a little too real for me because i just think how many people like the internet is low-key like the worst thing that's ever happened to humanity it's the greatest thing ever i can get hd porn on my fingertips i could be watching fucking any porn right now as i'm talking my god bob fox i can do whatever i want i could we could do this podcast right but there's so much just like people who are just off the reservation that can just kind of get in and they're talking guns they're talking explosives and it kind of scared the living shit out of me right now so um the fact that he has that final scene when they all show up in the garden and you see how many of them there are and then you see like the stack of fucking ammo next to the one guy and you're like holy fucking shit that was scary it's scary shit

man and it was a little that was a little too real for me. And I guess maybe it's like, I don't know if I want a Batman just to kick the shit out of those guys, or I wanted those guys to, you know, just team up on him. But I didn't love the, the last, I didn't love the final fight scene in the garden.

I thought it was like a cool idea. Yeah. I was going to ask you about that. Cause that's what the most, this is a highly praised movie, but that's what the most kind of picked apart piece of the movie is people calling it the fourth act of the movie where it's like all of the garden stuff and i kind of felt the same way like i i liked it but it didn't it felt a little different than like the

rest of the movie in a weird way and it was good i liked that in all of the fight scenes when batman was fighting like six or seven guys there were moments where they were like getting punches in on him, getting hits on him. And it was like, Oh fuck. But then he would always bounce back and stuff. He uses fucking green venom to hype himself up during that fight, which I wrote down.

Is that a Bain tease? It has to be right. Bain uses green venom. I couldn't think of what that was from. There it is. It's like specifically green. Why would they not do that so i was like oh shit maybe we're getting a fucking steroided up bane in the future that's

awesome um the district attorney is also dead at this point so maybe we're getting harvey dent running for da in the future yeah there was a quick hush tease we talked a little bit about the batman story hush last week and during the whole reveal of the Martha Wayne story, there was a thing that said Hush quickly on screen. It was clearly a little Easter egg for the Hush fans. The Joker is in this movie, as we thought he would be. You don't see him. He was listed as our unseen Arkham prisoner. He is pretty much unseen.

You kind of see a smile. You see his skin is kind of acid corroded and he he laughs he says what what do you what uh is like valued more the less you have of them and it's a friend so it's like the joker and riddler friends we talked about how we're kind of sick of the joker at this point where like you could leave the joker be i thought this was a cool scene the joker talking to the rid like you could leave the joker be i thought this was a cool scene the joker talking to the riddler in a movie is something that we've never seen before so it's kind of just like oh shit that's creepy these two people having a cell next to each other probably

shouldn't be something that they allow in arkham but that's why arkham's the worst in the biz and everyone breaks out um but i will say this i think joker could be interesting if you completely kind of flip it on its head don't do the heath ledger joker anymore go even more with this one i'm thinking go even more jack nicholson joker with it where he's scary but also it looks like he's going to be manipulative towards the riddler and kind of like use the villains like he uses them in the comics as his personal goons i kind of like that and also i think the rumor is that gcpd is going to be a prequel series and some people are saying the joker is going to be the villain in that where this is going to be the story of gotham locking him up for the first time okay so barry keegan is that the yeah yeah yeah and kogan something like that yeah it's keo

ghn he's the guy who plays drewig for the people that saw eternals i liked him and i liked him in that in that he was one of the best parts of that movie i thought yeah yeah um we said this on the preview pod with jose i think it was unanimous that like we were we would have all been fine with like a little bit more of a break from the Joker. A, Ledger established such a high bar for the character. And then B, like we have Leto, we have Phoenix. Is there any other Jokers that I'm missing that came out in the last few years? Not necessarily in the movies, but there's like the CW Joker. There's like, there's just Jokers up the fucking ass.

There's so many Jokers in the world. It's crazy. So when I saw that, I said that i said ah shit here we go but this is gonna be my way to say it's all gonna be right hey it's like okay who gives a fuck like they're just gonna do their own thing they're gonna build this so well done that this movie was so well done that i was like ah fuck they probably know what they're doing and i like i guess there is a uh a like, um, case to be made. You can't worry about all the other stuff in the past. This guy has to build the Batman world. The Batman world cannot exist without the Joker.

And if the Joker plays, I want, if you're bringing in the Joker, I want the motherfucking Joker and I don't need him out there fighting his battles. But if he's going to be the key figure that, like you said, he's using these villains to do his work. He's kind of the, the, the root of all evil for all the different stuff that uh batman and the gcpd fights in gotham that's fine because i want you know i don't what other batman villain can you say is going to be that guy because it would be like if there was a quote-unquote kingpin of the underworld of gotham and it wasn't the joker it would feel like well we're missing we need the joker suit so i don't need to wait until the underworld of Gotham and it wasn't the Joker, it would feel like, well, we're missing,

we need the Joker suit. So I don't need to wait. It's a clown prince of crime. Exactly. I don't need to wait three movies to get like, say, all right, we've had enough time since Ledger and all these other Jokers came in, bring them in.

You revealed them here. And then we start building them up through the shows, through the movies. So, you know what? Like after seeing him out there, there's nothing we can change now. It's done.

Let's rock and roll. Joker's here. Let's fucking and roll. Joker's here. Let's fucking get crazy with it. And he's going to, like you said, he meets the Riddler in jail. It's kind of like in Blow where I think it's Johnny Depp. Like he becomes a prisoner. He becomes a criminal in prison because he's with another prisoner. That's kind of like, and Riddler was already that,

but I kind of like that aspect of it where maybe that's good. Joker might hook Riddler up with some fucking green blazer threads huh when they get out of there they could go back to the that kind of suit but if you do the joker where he's like controlling all the villains at his helm and you kind of build up to him too where it's like maybe batman and the joker don't meet till the third movie and maybe he's still in the shadows for the second movie that would be kind of sick too we've never seen a joker that gets to interact with other villains in gotham really other than like the cw gotham show which i i don't really count um but like if you build up to we were talking about almost got him one of the greatest batman animated series episodes ever

where all the villains come together to try to get bat. If you build up to one of those, if you build up to Arkham Asylum, the comic book where Batman gets trapped in Arkham while the inmates are running the asylum, if you build up to one of those stories, you can really do it right. And the two things in the fourth act that I wanted to bring up that felt a little like, I don't know if the word is overplayed or like,

I'll have to see it again. And it'll hit me more when I understand the movie more on the second watch, when they unmask the guy, they're like, who the hell are you? He's like, I'm vengeance. And it's like,

oh, okay. Bruce in that moment realizes vengeance. Isn't the way you got to fucking stand for hope. Cool. When they unmask that guy, it was almost as if we were supposed to know who he was. I thought,

and they were like, who the hell are you? And I got that. it was almost as if we were supposed to know who he was i thought and they were like who the hell are you and i got that it was for the thing and then when he cuts the thing with the batarang the big swinging wire or whatever to make sure it doesn't electrocute people they built that up to such a big thing i was like he's just gonna cut that right he's just gonna cut that you just cut it fell into the water like he was dead, and then he just got up and helped everyone. And I was like, all right, yeah, you overplayed that a little bit. And I loved the overhead shot of him with the flare leading all the people out, leading the children out. Like that was Batman the Animated Series Batman to me,

where he does kind of stand as a symbol of hope. Even though he is this dark figure, the people of Gotham look to him, and they're like, no, but he's fucking keeping keeping the city right even though the police doesn't always believe in him the people of gotham should and i like that by the end the person grabbing his arm and trusting him more than anyone him realizing all right vengeance ain't the way i was like fuck yeah that's the way to end the batman movie and some people are saying this movie's too depressing i didn't feel that at all it's dark quite literally dark but the the overall message is as hopeful as superman so yeah the last act so i think if i if i had to say what knocked down the two points from a 10 down to an 8 i would say

it's probably the last act kind of being like a little drawn out i didn't realize that was a common criticism and then again i didn't love i thought the some of the mob stuff could have been maybe for another movie or something like that the i am vengeance i love that because, I didn't love, I thought the, some of the mob stuff could have been maybe for another movie or something like that. The, I am vengeance. I love that because, and I didn't realize at the time I had someone reach out to me, RJ, I got to shout him out. He was saying, can you think that could be Joe chill? The guy who had killed the Wayans.

And I was like, I don't know. And then he goes, he's the guy that he meets him at the funeral. He goes, I know you from somewhere. And then he, so he says that to Bruce and then he tells Batman, Oh, that's the guy. I believe so. So I thought the guy at the funeral was the bouncer with the twin. I think he, I think I was reading and I looked it up. I think that's who it is.

So it kind of comes full circle. The guy who killed the Wayne. I don't know if that's that, that part he was asking me if, and I haven't been able to, I was like, I was researching to see if that was a chance that that was who he was, and it doesn't seem like that's the case. But kind of seeing this guy earlier in the movie and then seeing him later, I don't know if we're going to get more about him.

But the whole, like you said, it's Batman realizing, I can't be vengeance because you can't grow a city. You can't fight vengeance with vengeance because then vengeance comes up and then, yeah, you make the city worse than you originally thought. Also, with the flood, I forgot to mention, could the flood be a tease for Killer Croc? Oh, okay. I don't know if they would do that in this universe. It feels a little more supernatural, a little more out there, but who knows?

I haven't gone on the Batman Reddit or anything like that, but I'm almost scared where, again, we're dealing with WandaVision, you know, scars from WandaVision where it's like, I have all these seeds and what are we going to do? Once again, we could fuck the plant. Like we never got to fuck the plant in WandaVision. There's no Mephisto. There's no X-Men. Ralph Boner is a fucking joke of a Quicksilver.

So there's a lot of ways it didn't go there, but I think they left themselves the option, right? And that's, I think the best part of that, the whole whole movie and the fourth act they kind of touch on some stuff um renewal the whole thing with renewal and like again you're dealing with these old political promises that never came to fruition that was the part where again it felt real and it felt depressing like that that's part of the movie too like again we're dealing with these times where people all people are mad at all their different local politicians and stuff like that no matter what side they're from and i'm just like shit like gotham gotham is like the

place you don't want to be right and i'm like this feels very real and maybe it's it's kind of like unmasking my eyes to see the world for what it is but i can understand people saying it's depressing because like let's be honest like the last few years have been extremely depressing we're living kind of like unmasking my eyes to see the world for what it is. But I can understand people saying it's depressing. Cause like, let's be honest, like the last few years have been extremely depressing. We're living right now in a world where it's just like, I'm on Twitter and it goes from this guy broke the 40 mark potentially to there's a fucking war in Ukraine going on and potentially war worth it.

So there's a lot of depressing shit out in the news right now and in our worlds. So I could definitely. And then you swipe and you see our friend, Chris Castellani singing West side Story And it makes everything feel better Oh, God bless Chris, man And a great Batman fan I know he was stoked about this movie too

And that was the thing, I told Jose I was like, you, Jose, and Chris are going to love this movie Because you guys are diehards for the comic books And I was so happy that you two liked it And when Jose sees it on Sunday I'm sure he's going to love it as well And again, we're going gonna have something to grow with in this batman universe which is what i think we need um down the road here and they set up just

so many possibilities the no man's land which is the story that jose actually doesn't like that's a possibility there's mr freeze they want to do in the future court of vowels would be a perfect second story being the corruption in gotham and whatnot and how high it goes into the police system and i even loved the scene where they find out like oh my god you're in on this and catwoman's beating the fucking shit out of that guy on the the rooftop and she kicks him over the ledge and batman like in gordon yeah that was that was awesome and the way it was a movie yeah i have nine of them that was so it's the way she jumps down to also the way batman

runs down the side of a building i think maybe right after that scene might have been a shout out to adam west as soon as he fucking did that he starts running down i was like oh my god that looks like adam west and robin like going up like that but like a cool version of it i was like holy shit i also think the cowl is a little shout out to adam west the way the stitching on the nose kind of does the design that he had on his nose i think was awesome um the ending the actual ending batman realizes he needs to be a symbol of hope i wrote down most hopeful ending since dark knight rises which isn't saying much as the last actual batman movie but they're the only two batman movies that kind of give batman like this isn't giving batman as happy an ending as that is because that's like literally

he rides off into the sunset and he doesn't have to be batman anymore but this is like batman gets it you know and this someone said that this felt like a sequel to a movie we never got and that they liked that and i agree with that it just assumes we know a lot of Batman's story. We know everything about his relationship with Alfred up to this point, because we do. Everyone fucking knows Batman. Everyone's mother knows Batman, and the story about Thomas and Martha,

they twist it on its head a little bit here. They give us a new perspective on Gotham, a new perspective on the Waynes. Like I said, a lot like the Arkham games and the animated series in my mind, which perfect for long halloween was a good shout when people said it was inspired by that i liked that this story begins on halloween and one of the first shots we get of the time square of gotham is like almost tim burtney the guy with the big spikes on his head and like everyone's wearing these over the top halloween costumes i was like fuck yeah that's cool and every time bruce wayne had that just the eye black on but without the mask i was like

goddamn robert pattinson's cool motherfucker i the thing that fucked me up and this always happens i mean it happens with tom holland or anyone else but they had like the before the show from you know message from the actors and he's speaking in a british accent i'm like god damn it my batman doesn't speak in british english is good his batman voice also i guess we should comment on because batman voice is always a talked about controversial thing loved his batman voice i loved that i listen i loved the dark night like i said most perfect movie ever made that batman voice was always a little it was made fun of because he talked like this all the time you know like it was rightfully kind of like clowned at times this is completely way more normal when he starts to yell it gets a little more like that but it's a more of a whisper it's like more of a and he said his original

batman voice was like a real whisper and they made him reshoot everything because they were like that was horrible you gotta pick a new batman voice i didn't know that yeah it's a little more muted it's a little more kevin conroy inspired it's not to that level that's the goat right there but it felt like he was almost like going for more of a not too different from bruce wayne voice as someone that did his reaction video in the batman voice and had two different ones and they both were terrible i think coley said i sounded like the crime dog mcgruff by the end of it um i and at first when i sound like i'm whispering more than anything i realize how hard it is to do a batman voice so it's like it's hard to really criticize but i do think he pulled it off and again the eye black i think that was that was so cool and the fact that

like they showed us that that's also a thing that they've ignored in every batman movie like they always take the cowl off and they have no eye black on it's also a thing that they've ignored in every batman movie like they always take the cowl off and they have no eye black on it's like the fuck yeah i saw them with eye black on under the cowl like why did you do that they do it in the keaton movie where there's that one in uh batman returns there's that one shot of him where he has the cowl on with no eye black so he could rip it off and then there's a shot in one of the one of the nolan movies for sure where he takes it off immediately and he's just got nothing on underside it might be it might be a dark knight rises and it's just like silly because it's like we know he's wearing

makeup under there and they made it look fucking cool like he almost looks like a skeleton at times another thing he changes in and out of the batman costume more than any other batman i think where he's like goes into the back room of the nightclub and he comes out in the cowl and shit we're keeping a batman costume is that a little fold-up thing is that wayne technology he i noticed in one scene he's wearing the baggiest like he looks like snow pants i've ever seen and a huge hoodie and i was like oh he's got the batman suit on under that he's going in like casual as Bruce Wayne. When he goes to saw the technology board, the motherboard, whatever, of the iceberg lounge. But yeah, this is an awesome movie for me.

I feel like we covered a lot of what I wanted to say. Anything else from you? I'm excited to see what Bella Real, is that how they said her name? I'm excited to see what she kind of becomes, right? Where she goes out and she almost seems like the politician that's going to be like the the beacon of light and yeah i don't know what could happen down the road in terms of corruption she wanted to go out there even when she was in danger she found that wound up getting shot like jesus also i noticed gordon

went to like grab her and like bring her off stage at first and then they cut to the next shot and he's just like dragging her by the hand and running and i was like oh that's fucking funny and there was so much confetti on the stage that she was sliding but i was like it's funny that he's like i'll carry you and then he's like oh i can't do that um i had i had to shut this out i didn't want to like put it on twitter because i didn't want to spoil it i guess it really would have been spoiling thing fuck those after credits don't tell me there's an after credit scene and you flash a fucking website at my ass and i could go i have to admit something the after credits got spoiled for me by somebody and i forget who it was

it was an actual article that said here's the batman post-credit scene and why it's not worth staying for and i was like what's that mean it's not worth staying for. And I was like, what does that mean? It's not worth staying for. And then you put your video out and you said you were pissed. You stayed till after the credits. So I said, okay, maybe this actually is a waste of time. And I did something I never do. I looked up what is the post credit scene? And I found out what it was and I didn't wait. I said, I'm not waiting for that.

It was, uh, if you didn't wait, just the thing that had a little question mark, a link to the ratatata site. Right. And I said, goodbye. Yeah. And then, and that, that was all, and there was like a flash and I'm like, is there something there that like the, whatever flashed on the screen that I'm supposed to know? I'm like, well, it doesn't matter. Cause I could have just looked at up online. And if you ever miss an after credit scene, the amount of work you have to do to try to find it on either YouTube or Twitter and all that kind of stuff it's just not worth it and then

It never comes in good quality it's just So I stayed till then and I Don't think I missed anything whatever that was it was probably Just the stuff flashing out I think it was a link to the site or something People said it was like a bunch of links to the site And they give you riddles and then you Feel like a fucking moron if you can't answer the riddles

So I just That's like it has nothing to do with my love of the movie or anything like that but it was almost surprised they don't do the joker riddler scene as an after credit you know i guess they wanted like a cohesive bulk of a movie where he's like nope this is the movie but it's like that felt like an after credit scene yeah and if you're dc you don't have to do the after credit scene let that be marvel saying that's fine with it like having that joker scene in the movie kind of made it kind of nice to not have to wait around i guess also like it is probably nice to have people stick around for the credit so that was that was basically my only other thing um and then i wanted to we kind of touched on it earlier but you ranked this versus

the other batman movies you're having dark knight obviously number one with a bullet which i mean i think is almost unanimous right um do you have so you do have this number two number three number four it's so tough because the nolan movies are truly like the movies i've seen as much as even the original star wars trilogy so i'm so familiar with those i could quote them line for line i love them so much i grew up with all the toys so it's hard after like you know it's only been not even 24 hours since I've seen this movie, I would probably put number two, though. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think, the more I watch this movie. I'm saying more a lot.

I'll say more some more. The more I'm going gonna love it tomorrow i think i think the the length of it yeah the length of it which is not everyone's favorite thing is one of my favorite things when it comes to batman give me as much batman as you could possibly give me and i'm still going to be wanting some more so the length was actually a plus to me where i'm like on a rewatch this is so much batman content this it almost and the axe almost felt like three episodes of a Batman show where it was like really drawn out. And I fucking love that. I do think this is the most comic book

accurate representation we've ever got as well. Yeah. So, and that's, that's the thing that for me, it was like, I'm thinking comic bookie in terms of just, you know, quote unquote regular comics. But for Batman, this seems like it's right up the alley especially that kind of batman and you're too batman yeah yeah the detective shit

i thought was was kind of fun i i enjoyed that whole thing i enjoyed him and even like the difference between gordon where he has to weigh like being batman's like partner between and then the rest of the cops right so i enjoy it see where he goes he's wearing gloves was so funny he's like he's wearing gloves so i have it i'd say i mean dark knight number one i i i think batman begins is higher because i don't know there was just something about it that i just i i had this like new sense of like hope for the Batman franchise. And I'm trying to think like, it's hard. Cause I watched the key Batman in the theaters. Cause I'm so fucking old.

And I remember it was in the theater so long. I think like the VHS came out while it was still in the theaters, which is something I had never seen before, but I feel like it was such a massive hit and you know, the whole Jack thing, but we've also rewatched those recently. And as like, I don't know how much,

like they, they hold in some regards in some regards they don't. I also hate Tim Burton in my soul soul for except for a few movies um so it's it's and the thing is dark night rise is like i was a little disappointed that they didn't do a better job with bane because i think bane could be such an awesome character i also know how bad he can be they've done that too right so i guess it's like three to four for me. But I I'd say I probably have the first two Nolans above it. And I,

I, I, and again, like the Schumacher's, I didn't watch any of the stuff with Affleck in it. Not that that's a Batman movie. So I guess like three to four, which I guess takes us to our fast food review.

What is the fast food item that you associate with the Batman Bob Fox? So I was thinking about this long and hard and i was thinking like what do i say this is because it has to be something amazing and i'm gonna go with something that's discontinued and i don't even know if i had it in my lifetime but it just seems right for this it seems like a lot it's gonna take you a long time to get through it. This is a supersized Big Mac meal from McDonald's. Supersized. Because there's a lot. There's a lot, right? You're like, oh my god, I've got to consume a lot of this.

It's going to take a long time to get through. But you're going to enjoy every piece of that. And it's exactly what you wanted. The Big Mac, the fries, the Big Coke, the Giant Coke, all of that. So'm gonna go a super sized big mac meal that's a good fucking um that's a good comparison there hey mcdonald's bring it back i'd love to try one bring back the super size come on coward don't be worried about the

super size movie which by the way i believe it wasn't i think jurassic park was the reason they started the super size because the dinosaurs are out and that, yeah, I feel like I read that fun fact a few years ago and it was something that I had no idea. And I lived through it. Um, and like you're going supersize and Big Mac meal. So you're doing the Big Mac, which is as much fucking food as you can get. All the patties. I think I've called something else a Big Mac in the past, but this is even supersized. Cause it's like, you're getting a Riddler, you're getting Falcone, you're getting Catwoman, you're getting Penguin, all of them. They're all in there, but they're all great. Yep. And let me also say Falcone you're getting catwoman you're getting penguin all of them they're all in there but they're all great yep and let me also say falcone i love john totoro i'm like i don't there's just someone about that dude i just love foot cream himself from the night up yeah

and that's the thing that but that's what i was like you know what i love to taro and then and the night of i was also like ah the foot cream just didn't land for me i think they i wish they had done it in a different way. So I kind of had those two things connected in my mind. I'm happy you, you brought that up. My fast food item. And I hope I haven't said this one in the past as well. This one for me, it's the Wendy's spicy chicken sandwich,

which I consider one of like the Batman franchise in general is a fucking monster. It's a friend. It's like a base franchise. It's one of the most important things you have out there. And for my, for my money, the Wendy's spicy chicken sandwich is one of the best.

It's an OG. There have been plenty of other things that have come out more recently that, you know, competitors and stuff like that, which I think kind of plays with all the different stuff in Marvel, even some of the stuff that DC has been trying out. But the spicy chicken sandwich to this day is still, you know,

puts asses in the seats. It's changed over the years, just like Batman has changed over the years. I feel like the ingredient, I don't know if the actual ingredients have changed or the way they make it, but it definitely doesn't taste the same as when I was a kid, but I still think it's, it's a fucking crowd pleaser.

And based on everything I've heard, I think everyone, I haven't heard anyone say, I hated this movie. I didn't like this movie. You know, it's at worst, like I liked it and there was some, it was either, you know, some parts were long, some parts I didn't like here or there, but like when I have a, that's the thing, when I go to Wendy's and I just know I need to fucking be satisfied, I get the spicy

chicken sandwich every time. And that's what I think Batman is in general. If I just, if I'm going to the DC, I guess you could say McDonald's is like the Marvel where they're the biggest in the world. DC is Wendy's kind of the number two. If I need to know, I'm going to the dc i guess you could say mcdonald's is like the marvel where they're the biggest in the world dc is wendy's kind of the number two if i need to know i'm gonna be happy i'm getting the spicy chicken sandwich peacemaker was something that like was on the menu for like a week and i tried and i was like holy shit it was like when they had the pretzel bun at wendy's and i was oh the pretzel bun was amazing i got that every time i would do the the pretzel bun they called it like the pub something and i would take everything off with the pretzel bun and the chicken oh my god it was so fucking good i think it had like cheese sauce on it like pub cheese sauce like that i guess that if we had

done peacemaker what fast food item it would have been i guess we'll agree it was like the pretzel bun chicken and burger like those were that was incredible we ended up doing chips for it obviously why did they take that away jersey jerry's gonna get that back jersey jerry's brand is just bringing back favorite things i love it was i think i saw it on the menu somewhat recently somewhere too but i think it was just a temporary thing again but for me spicy chicken sandwich at wendy's again you have your pop eyes now yeah that's such a good uh item i'm like happy about that i will say broke my heart last night the uh only person I've heard that didn't like this movie was my brother. My older brother.

Big Batman fan. Yeah. No. Oh my God. Like the people on YouTube, they've seen my brain broken. I just have my heart broken live. Let me read you the,

let me read you the text he sent me. So he went at like 8 PM last night. And then at 1148, he wrote, can't believe they made toys from this flick lego sets of shit and i said did you like it and he said no not really and i said oh damn now i will say my brother doesn't like most movies he said i think they tried to do way too much like the pitch meeting was like what if we did the entire nolan trilogy in one movie but also let's try to make it seven very dark and depressing geez i want to be able

to take my kid to a batman movie one day that i guess that's fair it's like we almost need two batmans where there's like the the pg version and then the r version we could just skip the pg-13 which we're getting an animated did you get the animated batman trailer that for the batman like uh pets movie i missed the trailers i missed it all i didn't have popcorn which again might have been some of my saltiness i haven't seen this trailer it looks fucking phenomenal they're making a movie about a dog played by kevin hart i believe who is batman's dog batman is being played by keanu reeves and then it's uh superman and krypton his his dog, and he's played by The Rock. It looks fucking awesome.

Is this a prank? Is this a prank? It's not a prank. It looks like Secret Life of Pets, but superhero version. I mean, I think with Jose, didn't I rank my favorite Batman if I couldn't choose Christian Bale

as Will Arnett, the Lego Batman? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sign me the fuck up. It looks like they're doing more of that shit, yeah. And Keanu reeves is batman yeah it sounds awesome the animation i'll send you the trailer after we do this it looks fucking cool it looks like the movie like you could bring sienna to not like this oh and also shout out sienna i got my uh girl scout cookies yesterday boom there you go go to my twitter the

club report we have the girl scout cookies up we are we've already passed last year's sales i think we have another uh week left for the like the early sales and that is where the oculus is the grand prize so there's a chance my dumb ass is gonna be going to the metaverse fucking hopefully i'm not jersey jerrying myself and like tearing my acl golfing i bought one last night did you yeah it'll be here uh like march 15th which i'll be in london London for Patty the Baddies fight. But yeah, I looked in my Venmo and I realized I hadn't deposited my money in my Venmo for like months. I just thought it was going into my bank account. So I had like enough money for an Oculus just laying around.

And I said, I really want one. I know there's like Darth Vader VR games and shit. Dana White was telling me there's fun boxing games. So yeah, I'll be in the metaverse with you. There we go. Send Bob and Clem to the metaverse get some girl scout cookies along the way support the girl scouts you could even i donate them it's like the operation cookie drop chaps was telling me how like when he was in the marines they would just get all these girl scout cookies he would break up the tagalongs put them in milk and eat them as cereal and he said it was like incredible

so we we have we have a bunch of people uh sam lauderdale being one of them shout out uh basement boy he he donated a bunch and uh i i think that's just a great cause there and i think also the giveaway stuff went out this week so expect to give away stuff i think two out of the three sent us the address one person didn't send us the address we're still waiting on yeah so if we don't get that address maybe we'll do another um you know winner or whatever if we don't get a address, maybe we'll do another winner or whatever. If we don't get a response. I'll reach out again just to make sure. Let's do a hashtag and we'll get out of here.

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The bad signal. It scared the shit out of some people. I didn't mean to scare the shit out of me i don't know signal it scared the shit out of some people i didn't mean to scare the shit out of people what had happened was erica put out a tweet where she said like it's time to start killing some shows at barstool and i said oh fuck i know we're one of the smaller podcasts so i hope we don't get killed so i said please subscribe so we don't get killed and then everyone was like what do you want a chopping block and it became a whole reddit thing it was a whole i didn't mean for it to become that i expected like nine other podcasts to be like please subscribe so we don't get killed as well i we wound up being like the only one but

i appreciate everyone who's subscribed because we're like over 14 000 subscribers now yeah and i talked to um i talked to kfc and he's like dude i really want to do the peacemaker dance and i'm like i'm kind of like my I'm kind of handcuffed now. Cause I said, we need to hit 20, but I still want to do it. So I don't know. So listen, if you guys can hashtag, keep the basement lights on. If you've made it all the way this far, if you haven't already come do the whole fucking carwash, your comment, thumbs up, um, subscribe.

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Out of the fucking blue this week in all of America It's us and part of like Big Cat and PFT Are looking up at the basement boys right now We're throwing out the fucking basement symbol into the sky right now. So give up. And I had to also do this. We always shout out our listeners. We fucking love you guys. I had a shout out our girl

Sarah and I have to say this right Malakian. She said I finally had a few spare minutes and linked some of my old Gmail test accounts for my old job on YouTube and she subscribed on all of them. We're fucking going gorilla style, man. We're Riddler in this shit. We're not going. That's how we need to go.

And without the killing, but that's how we need to go, you know? Speak for yourself. I'll give you the Batman mask. You don't have to kill. I'll take the Riddler mask. I'll kill. I will kill. I have two fucking kids, a mortgage, and a wife. I'll kill for this fucking podcast.

If Bob's not going to do it, I'm going to do it. Bob smashed the negative face. I'll kill. We weren't getting taken off YouTube, but the Zodiac Killer best is getting taken off YouTube now. All right. We're going to get out of here before we say other cancelable things. Thank you for watching the Batman review.

I hope you enjoyed the movie as much as we did, and we will see you next time.