My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 203 - ‘MOON KNIGHT’ EPISODE 5 RECAP WITH CLEM AND JOSE YOUNGS

Episode Date: April 29, 2022

Robbie and Clem recap the PENULTIMATE episode of 'MOON KNIGHT' on Disney+ (starring Oscar Isaac and Ethan Hawke) with the Basement’s resident comics expert Jose Youngs! They discuss the episode, giv...e their predictions on the finale, and tease a special MONDAY episode coming next week! 3Chi: Use code STOOL5 at checkout to receive 5% off at 3Chi.com Gametime: Download the app and use promo code MMB for $20 off your first purchase! **************************************** Subscribe to My Mom's Basement on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIeZ96PqdsJYQ7DFLRx6MHw My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basement Intro Music: “Basement Noise” by All Time Low Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/basement-noise/1499013757?i=1499013968 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/3Aq9W9BBCjsFOQqcYyO6IA?si=d9d0f74cf54a48deYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners. You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Yeah, just stupid boys making basement noise in the basement, noise in the basement. Just stupid boys making basement noise in the basement. Yeah, yeah. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement presented by 3Chi and Barstool Sports. I am your host, Robbie Fox. With me is my co-host, Clem. And for the first time ever on a recap episode not on a preview everything you
Starting point is 00:00:45 need to know episode Jose Young's the youngsters going wild Jose Jose Jose what's up Jose Jesus I still can't get over the youngsters thing I saw that on Twitter and it's just all of a sudden I started getting hashtag youngsters and like my Instagram and Twitter DMs and I was like what is happening right now and then all of a sudden I saw your. And I was like, what is happening right now? And then all of a sudden I saw your tweet and I was like, oh, you guys have all named yourself. So appreciate the love. It still absolutely boggles my mind that people want to, you know, want to hear this much
Starting point is 00:01:15 from me, but I appreciate it. I appreciate it nonetheless. And a teaser for people. This is coming out on Friday. On Monday, you will be hearing from Jose yet again on a Dr. Strange preview episode. We recorded it last night and it was a trip just like Dr. Strange is in a very good way.
Starting point is 00:01:35 So it's like going to bend your mind in a few places, but I think like our other preview episodes, it's actually going to help you going into this movie. I think it'll make things a little clearer going in where it's not going to be like, what the fuck is that? You'll be like, Oh no, that's maybe Shuma Gorath. I hope so i think because i like i remember like
Starting point is 00:01:50 thinking after it and i was like i don't know what the dr strange movie is going to be based on and i'm so like even i'm kind of in the dark oh yeah so we're going to be we're going to be learning a lot so for all i know everything i said could not happen or all of it could happen. And that's why it's exciting. That's the beauty of those episodes, right? And we got new merch out. I'm wearing one of the pieces.
Starting point is 00:02:11 I saw that. Look at that. That's designed by Nathan Hurst, a little Chewbacca, chewy co-pilot stoolie for you. We got a sweatsuit to the sweatpants, the joggers, the crew neck,
Starting point is 00:02:22 all of it. It's available on the Barstool store. Super comfortable. It's embroidered, Barstool store. Super comfortable. It's embroidered. Embroidered is nice stuff. We're moving up in the merch world. Never thought Barstool would be able to do stuff like that. But yeah, look at us, embroidered and shit.
Starting point is 00:02:35 I'm doing it all by hand. Give me your Chewbacca sound now in honor of the new shirts. Oh, God. I can't really do it. You have the worst Chewbacca for like the biggest diehard star wars fan you always had the worst one that's pretty good that's pretty good my brother can do a good one i don't have the gene i don't have the chewy gene i'll pass it to jose he can he can decline if he wants i don't think youngsters would kill me after hearing yours i don't think i
Starting point is 00:03:02 could top that so i'm gonna quit while I'm ahead. Fair enough, fair enough. We are here to talk about Moon Knight. So I want to ask Jose right away, what are your general thoughts on the MCU's Moon Knight? What do you think? What are the likes? What are the dislikes here? I like how they're teasing a lot.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Like they're setting up, like every episode, I think answers the previous episodes. A lot of the stuff that we had from the previous episode or answer to the next one but also kind of setting it up so you constantly have to keep coming back because you get a lot you get answers to two questions and all of a sudden you have five new questions yeah so i think that's the thing and i think what i'm what i'm very happy about is they're going with the jeff lemire route i think like when on our previous show i talked a lot about that psychiatric ward angle that they used in the in the jeff lemire run so i'm very
Starting point is 00:03:49 very very pleased with that i don't i the green screens kill me but it is what it is but like the actual writing and i mean oscar isaac is the man he's awesome he's so good especially where it's like fuck it's like you don't even realize it's the same person. It truly feels like two different characters. And I don't know whose decision it was, whether it was the directors or Oscar Isaac or the writers or whoever. But I never pictured Steve Grant with a British accent at all. Because everyone, they were all English. They were all American to me.
Starting point is 00:04:24 So whoever's idea was that chef's kiss that was that was a fantastic when you make a big change like that too and it gets the uh like approval of the comic fans too and i've seen a lot of people that are like yeah this is pretty cool even it it seems like maybe they're changing around the jake lockley stuff a little bit too right like making him a little more chaotic than he's ever been that's we were gonna i was gonna bring that up so i don't like obviously we haven't had an official jake appearance yet but there has been like flashes of it like obviously like when they woke up and all those people were dead or like beat up and stabbing someone that was yeah and then steve was like what did you do and then like mark was like what did i do what did you do
Starting point is 00:05:04 so like they have no happen and then like when uh and when harrow and is in the the office in this most recent one and he starts to like freak out and he picks up the thing to like stab him with like the pyramid and he sounds like he's got a new york accent in that scene right exactly so i'm hoping those and like you see especially in this episode when you're like seeing um like the memories you see a lot of taxis in the background and stuff like that so it's like like i said there's subtle hints to a lot of the stuff there was like that one memory they both couldn't place to they were like where's that from it's like oh shit we got another out there i feel like he might be like the season two tease it might be
Starting point is 00:05:41 like the end of it now i'm also wondering if the end of season one is going to put us on a mind fuck where it's like did this really happen do we know if it's an asylum do we know if it's not an asylum i don't know so i have a i'm i have a my own theory for how season one should end to set up a big baddie um but we can get to that later on because he made an appearance in this episode oh uh i might know who you're talking about i did a little research i did a little research some people that are wind up being villains in the comics that maybe you can bring back um so let's talk about this episode a little bit one of the things you brought up the lemire run which i found out on uh the youtube channel heavy spoilers this week that i found interesting
Starting point is 00:06:29 the bingo numbers from last week's episode when they were like calling off the bingo numbers in the asylum if you add all of them up they add up to 174 which is apparently like where the jeff lemire run starts which is a very cool little homage to that. And it's one that you really have to dig for. Like I'm surprised somebody even found that out. And before we go on, I got to remind everybody that this podcast is presented by 3G, the industry leader in Delta 8 THC products. Now they've even got Delta 9 products. So go to their website.
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Starting point is 00:07:45 So let's get back into that one more time. The promo code is STOOL5 to take 5% off your order at 3chi.com. This episode starts with a little watery cave. Woman screaming, this is all your fault. We see the hippo again. Why is it being Talret? I believe that's how you say uh the name and then it's mark or possibly as we just alluded to jake talking to harrow the dr ned flanders version of doc uh of harrow and he says
Starting point is 00:08:13 mark is doing whatever he can not to look within he's even bringing up rhinoceroses and he's like it's a hippopotamus and mark grabs the object whatever that was and he goes crazy says he feels like a million dollars. Kind of sounded New York-ish. Kind of sounded East Coast. And then the orderlies once again rush over, put him out. We're back with Mark, Steven, and Tarrant. Tarrant tells them they're dead.
Starting point is 00:08:34 This is like the place where we're going to put your hearts on a scale. We're going to judge you, the scales of justice. See if you could reach the field of reeds. And she makes a cool little reference to the ancestral plane in this too.'s just like you know people don't think it's real but it's beautiful every time they're going to do that now i feel like people are just going to think of like chadwick boseman and that amazing black panther role in that scene so it's just like for me i was like damn that's like almost like a nice homage to him every time they bring that up at this point. And they're on a boat that, interestingly enough, was in Steven's fish tank in episode one. Crazy.
Starting point is 00:09:11 That and also in episode one, there's a little girl that approaches him in the museum. And she's like, oh, have you been to the Field of Reeds? And he's like, that doesn't even make sense. I'm not dead. It's like, oh, fuck. Look at the foreshadowing they're hitting us with there. So some crazy stuff there jose you mentioned the green screen stuff to us last night like when we were done
Starting point is 00:09:31 recording and it was not never more prevalent to me yeah then like in this episode right after i like when i watched it when they're outside on the boat there were some of those scenes where i was just like oh fuck man this is like real green screeny and in an over-the-top way yeah it wasn't so bad as when he was when uh mark and them were like running on like the the roofs of like egypt and like on the the cliffs and everything that was not the best green screen i think and i always joke i'm like oh they saved all the budget for this episode or some stuff like that it was one of those episodes where i just kind of made a joke wasn't that bad
Starting point is 00:10:09 because at least we were in a mystical realm so i can i can accept bad cgi stuff it's one that's in reality that is but yeah i agree with you i actually enjoyed the over the top cgi's in this because i felt like we were very grounded for like several episodes and now moon knight is finally being pushed over the edge with the audience did you guys get vibes any vibes from that scene with the ship because i'll tell you two things one we left the door and then we're in this sandy fucking world from that place a little bit of beetlejuice sandworm oh yeah and then the ship like one like angle they hit i kind of saw jabba's barge out there oh i can see that yeah that sus motherfucker remax rebo is probably behind all this looking
Starting point is 00:10:54 back now that son of a man disney plus just can never leave tatooine right there's been thousands of there's thousands of planets in the galaxy and yet we can never leave tatooine that is my number one drive towards star wars outside of the sequel the prequels that's the give me something else man i love how much of this stuff too this and kind of the ending of last episode is taken from the lamere run i know the asylum angle is taken from it but is it like specifically like drawing from that or just kind of taking things here and there i think it's taking things here and there because in the asylum in the comic book that you meet other characters like they like you meet specific
Starting point is 00:11:34 characters from the moon knight thing like there are certain characters in the comic books that aren't obviously in the comic book like marlene is not in the show i think she's been replaced by leila because they're essentially the same character just different names uh obviously uh marlene in the comic book is like a white anglo-saxon like anglo-white woman and in the in the show they tried to make her like more egyptian ethnic which is fine which is fine they're the same character they fill the same role um like she is also in the asylum with like crawley and all these other other characters from moon knight history they're also in it and there's not a lot of there is a lot of time jumping but it's kind of all in his head and conchu is in the asylum talking in his head too because at this point codchu and in the show conchu and mark and everyone have been
Starting point is 00:12:21 split because conchu's frozen in that like stone statue at the end of season whatever at the end of the previous episode so now he conchu's not in his head yeah in the comic book conchu is in mark's head in the in the in the comic like he is when mark goes to bed he's like talking to conchu and the way that it's drawn as conchu is like a therapist and mark is like laying on a couch so it's very it's like funny too and the way that it's drawn as conchue is like a therapist and Mark is like laying on a couch so it's very it's like funny too and the or the what do you call it the doctor
Starting point is 00:12:51 is not obviously Harrow like we said Harrow is a nothing character that they just took the name it's like a woman who has like Mark's journal and Mark winds up like actually being Amit in the comic right I believe yeah I believe Amit but like she wants it being likeit in the comic right uh i i believe yeah i believe but like she wants it being like yeah all the crazy order the orderlies and her like at one point like at their their
Starting point is 00:13:12 faces turn to like a crocodile a rhino and all that kind of stuff so it's all it's taking pieces of it but this one is much more splintered rather than i think the lamere run as weird as it's going to sound is much more streamlined okay and another question about the lamir run as weird as it's going to sound is much more streamlined okay and another question about the lamir run i know at the end of it they kind of reveal that even though they think it's ahmed behind it all or whatever it's khonshu behind it all and he was like with mark since he was a kid i feel like there was a little tease of like maybe khonshu was with them all along in this one when they see the skeleton of the bird on the ground. But do you think at the end of this, they're going to go the route of Khonshu being behind it all?
Starting point is 00:13:49 Or do you think they're going to be like, you know what, we're changing shit up? Because Khonshu so far seems, from the way you described them, a little more like a protagonist in this show. Well, for years, Khonshu was was the protagonist he was kind of the guy that gave him the power and then this the lamia run is really the one that pushed it over to like kanji's kind of manipulating everything behind the scenes and it's actually it's not it's it's
Starting point is 00:14:14 seth is the one in the comic book that's the big bad guy which is like kanji's like that's brother or something or whatever it's something strange and and seth is actually like i i don't know if it's a vision or if it's not actually there but like when when mark gets into the pyramid in the middle of new york when he does escape like seth is like tied up and he's like wait if you're tied up then what's who's the bad guy and then that's where it like clicks so uh it could be uh but i also don't think in the comic book mark necessarily knows what conch's game plan is it would be interesting if that's the path they took now this early yeah um if if they do a second season and that's where it is then i could see that ending at the end of season two midway season two i would be it would
Starting point is 00:15:04 be surprising if that's the route they took in season one. So going forward with the episode, they go back into the asylum. They look at the rooms of memories. They have that one they couldn't place. And then they go into a cafeteria full of dead people that Mark realizes, oh, these are all the people that I've killed in my life. Some of them are bad people. You know, I had to do it. I was a mercenary, whatever.
Starting point is 00:15:24 They see a young boy walk into the cafeteria steven follows him mark is trying not to get him not to follow him and then as he falls in we kind of go into this memory sequence we see a mother working the grill he's like oh that's me mom we see his brother we see them go on an adventure together the mom mom's like, you make sure, you know, your brother's going to be okay on this. His brother winds up dying in this horrible cave accident. I believe the brother's name is Randall.
Starting point is 00:15:53 We called him Roro, Bob. We called him Roro. He was our friend. Dies in a cave accident. It floods while he's pretending to be the Stephen Grant character from like Tomb Buster, Tomb Raider, whatever it was and the mother
Starting point is 00:16:06 blames him like completely abusively blames it doesn't celebrate any of his birthdays says it's all your fault you were in charge of this lashes out and mark essentially created stephen we find out later they kind of make it a mystery for a little bit like did steven create mark did mark create steven but we wind up finding out that mark created steven to cope with the abuse of his mother just pretty dark pretty intense stuff steven lashes out at mark when he finds this out he's like what was i y'all stress ball come on um he's not the main personality and we see later teenage mark walked out on his father years later so it's like completely splintered the family this is why the multiple personality disorder begins and i believe in the comics his brother winds up being a villain is this who you were referring to earlier jose
Starting point is 00:16:58 okay correct and before i get into that i think an interesting way to introduce Jake is because obviously when Mark, he turns into Steven like young and he picks up the pencils and put them away and then she comes in. But so the mom walked in and Mark was Steven, but Steven doesn't remember, which means Steven would have to change into someone else. So I would be very curious if they use Jake is the one that took the beatingss if that makes sense so so steven doesn't remember because steven wasn't there so which is why jake is the hardened psycho because he's the one that was physically he was like truly abused yeah he was the actual he was the he was the backups he wasn't the stress ball he was the punching bag if that makes sense that's a good way to put it too in the beginning of this episode which shout out to me for putting in my notes is this third guy who's all cut up jake he's all cut up when you first write him what yeah way more cut up than mark was
Starting point is 00:17:55 yeah yeah but yeah so i think that would be a very fascinating way that wasn't obviously in the comic books but i think he would work for this specific moon. Now to go back to Randall or row row, that whole scenario in the cave and everything was not a thing in the comic books, which is fine again. But Randall Spector, which is Mark Spector is obviously younger brother. He's also a mercenary with Mark that back in the day and Randall.
Starting point is 00:18:21 I'm going to like, I'll try to keep it short, but because Randall Spector is not as big of a deal. He's not the be all bad and all bad guy. That's still Bushman, which they alluded to in this. They actually mentioned him for the first time. I think this was the first episode where they actually said his name. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:37 Throw away line. It was like so and so Bushman. It was like his last name. And I'm like, and I was like, I was like the Leo meme. I was like, they said, I'm like, that's the thing. That's the thing. So Randall Spector is a mercenary, but he turns on Mark because he's like, oh, I can make a lot more money if I'm the guy. Mark survives, and then they fight.
Starting point is 00:18:58 And Mark throws a grenade at him and dies. And that's like the last we hear of Randall for a bit. This was like a long time ago eventually this this like serial killer type thing and that and then like years pass and mark is moon knight like he is fully fledged moon knight in the city uh he's with marlene and everything like established hero and then the serial killer like shows up and starts killing nurses for some reason. And they show, but it's like he has a hatchet and no shirt.
Starting point is 00:19:33 Do you guys know who the creature is in the Batman lore? He was in one episode of Batman Adventures. Sounds familiar. I saw a picture of who you're referring to earlier. So he looks, for those of you listening, he kind of looks like a less goofy creature and more of like a like a psycho. Like he has a white face, long green hair, no shirt and carries a hatchet. And he's like killing nurses. So Marlene like and Mark like decide to lay a trap where she dresses up like a nurse to like lure him out. And then he does and they fight.
Starting point is 00:20:03 And it turns out that Rand randall specter survived and is now going after moon knight and this was the plan and then they fight but mark doesn't want to kill his brother and then they do the hokey thing where like randall specter like lunges at him and then mark like jumps out of the way and he like stabs himself in the chest on like a tree and that's how that's how randall randall in quotes dies uh because eventually he comes back and at this point a ton of writers because doug mink was really the guy in the early eras of moon knight that like established moon knight as a as a as a great hero and then he left and there was just a cycle of cycle of writers constantly canceling restarting this and that eventually he comes back and he's like and and and at this point i i believe
Starting point is 00:20:52 it was the blood brothers saga where it's like punisher and moon knight actually team up not to hunt randall but like it's a team up sort of thing and marlene is like in central park whatever and like the guy in the green and everything like comes back and attacks Marlene like so then they like sort of team up and then there's this woman named Nephthys who's like an arms dealer who's actually um was was Randall's like lover like years ago and it turns out that he got hurt too in like the desert unrelated to mark and he actually was in the pyramid that mark made the deal with conscious like he saw it all go down and he got jealous it was like well i want to be powerful too but he couldn't so he tried and he couldn't so neptis
Starting point is 00:21:38 and randall read like this prophecy that someone is destined to replace mark and he's like that's me so then they retconned the original randall like nurse killer thing where nephthys and randall just found a dude a dude and brainwashed him to think he's randall so the randall that died is not actually randall this is randall it's very silly. It's very silly. Randall's all over the place. So the OG nurse killer was actually like, psych, not Randall. I'm the real Randall. Very silly.
Starting point is 00:22:13 So eventually Randall makes his own. He basically gets the same powers of Moon Knight, but like gets it through science and magic. So he gets like bulletproof skin and hand strength and hand stamina this and that but when i say like he's not indestructible he has like luke cage's powers where like his skin is unbreakable but if you take a baseball bat and like hit him he could his arm could still break the skin just won't break um so punisher eventually i remember this punisher get like defeats him by like getting the biggest gun and just go like just blowing him away and like pushing him out a window and then he like his body breaks and like that's all we hear from randall specter for 10 years for 10 years in the comic book and then he comes back in daredevil
Starting point is 00:22:57 shadow land i think it was and this was like this was great but the moon knight aspect was the worst part of this oh no so dare so uh matt murdoch is you know who the hand is it's like the evil ninja faction it's like this mystical ninja thing that electro was a part of uh matt murdoch is possessed by the beast of the hand which is like this like demonic like fat speaking of job of the hut looks very much like job of the hut actually it's like ninja job of the hut. Actually. It's like Ninja job of the hut. Who's like controlling the hand possesses Matt Murdock. Matt Murdock takes over hell's kitchen, turns it into like his empire called the shadow land. Eventually I believe it's iron fist like banishes or like exercises.
Starting point is 00:23:37 The beast from Matt Murdock, Matt Murdock, as you do, Matt Murdock kills himself and then election brings them back to life. As you do, Matt Murdock kills himself and then election brings them back to life. As you do at this point, Randall is like hired by the hands to kill moon night. So then he can replace moon night reasons. I don't quite remember.
Starting point is 00:23:54 And it's like, remember I told you in like the preview that like, there was like a, like an era of moon night that was like hyper violent, like too violent. This was like around then where like randall specter or shadow or moon shadow or shadow knight whatever his name is like goes on this like insane killing spree just like killing people left and right and is like leaving clues in blood for like moon
Starting point is 00:24:16 like mocking moon knight and i'm like this is bananas he eventually he attacks marlene in like a brutal that's like attack and like she has a miscarriage awful again awful don't need that and then they do randall versus moon knight like our moon night versus shadow knight whatever it is in like this in this like insane fight like it is like brutal and like ugly and violent and it's like back and forth back and forth because they're like the same person and it turns out that I think Randall's going after like this weapon called like the moon crescent of the moon
Starting point is 00:24:50 or something which is like a mystical moon shaped weapon I can't remember why he needs it but then eventually Moon Knight is about to win and because it's comic books like Randall like rips his shirt off and he has like a bomb on his chest and he's like i'll
Starting point is 00:25:06 blow us up i'll do it or something stupid and then but because he has indestructible skin he'll like survive so moon knight uses his mystical weapon to like kill his brother and then that's it that's all we've ever seen of randall specter so that little kid that quote-unquote drowned turns out to be like a psychotic killer in the comic books and that would be a good person to bring in because like in the show like that's the reason he has the personalities in the first correct like you could tie that all together it'd be pretty fucking good i also think it would be very cool because right now we're getting a lot of like mental warfare and like psychotic back and forth stuff with mark I would very much like a villain that could like get physical with moon night.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Cause we haven't seen a lot of the actual moon night character in this series so far, which is fine. Like at the end of like most episodes, it's a couple punches, moonarangs here and there. And then he's gone. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:27:05 We're going to go to a, uh, we'll go to a fighter game with Jose next time. You guys are basically like, Jose's a huge Red Sox fan. Die hard. Really? Die hard.
Starting point is 00:27:15 There's like in the, in the, in the rankings of Jose, it's like comic books and Red Sox are like one, a one B. Wow. Like I do not miss. I do like, cause like West coast game started for, rankings of Jose, it's like comic books and Red Sox are like 1A, 1B. I do not miss... West Coast games start at 4. Great. I listen to as many as I can.
Starting point is 00:27:32 Die hard. There is an opening here for a die hard Red Sox guy. There is, honestly. I don't think... I think the space that I would be taking would be very big shoes to fill in that back to Moon Knight this was honestly my favorite scene in the episode and it's the scene where we get to see the night he became the avatar of Khonshu yeah he gets to crawl to the you know
Starting point is 00:28:00 I don't want to say the grave the temple of khonshu whatever that might have been and we see like all the dead bodies everywhere we get the retelling of you know bushman did this he was the mercenary partner and he kind of went crazy leila's dad was part of the person that was killed and we see marks like they kind of did it like deal with the devil and he makes the deal with khonshu he physically becomes moon knight in the temple. This is a badass scene. Clem, you're the big Khonshu guy. I don't know how you felt about this. I thought it was pretty fucking sick. How did I feel about it, Bob? First of all, Koze,
Starting point is 00:28:33 you have to admit, the Khonshu voice is pretty fucking awesome in this. Oh, it's aces. So, my hands, my eyes, my vengeance. There's my first tattoo right there boys you guys are all tatted up in the cell i'm gonna have the tattoos of an egyptian god that i didn't know existed six months ago on me because that was fucking metal in the words of bob fox himself
Starting point is 00:28:56 jose did they do did they redo his origin story when they did the lemire run or did they assume people knew it uh they alluded to it because a lot of it is a lot of so it was explained like i believe it was marks like got like brain injuries from that and like a lot of this was like made up in his head because of like trauma but they a lot of it is like flashbacks and stuff like that. So then we go back to the psych ward. Steven has a scene with Dr. Harrow. And this is where he says, like, you look a bit like Ned Flanders. Such a funny line. And I liked their little back and forth.
Starting point is 00:29:35 He has to, like, accept his mother's death in this moment where he does the phone thing. He's like, Diana, get Steven's mother on the phone, whatever. It's, like, hung up already. He accepts my mother's dead. Very sad. And then speaking of sad, the gates to the field of Reed are closed. So the dead people start crawling up from the duet. I think they called it the desert and they start to attack them.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Huge fight sequence on the board of the ship. And Stephen winds up throwing himself over, killing himself in the process so that the scales of the ship and steven winds up throwing himself over killing himself in the process so that the scales of justice could be balanced the gates could open and then mark goes in at the end kind of infinity war vibes i saw some people saying where it's like you get the sad death and then it's like the person is in you know valhalla looking thing where it's just like kind of not happy but bittersweet in a way and the episode's over great penultimate cliffhanger where it's like fuck steven was like the guy we started this show with steven is one of the favorite characters my my guy i i said
Starting point is 00:30:37 to clem he was like out of all the personality steven was mine and now he's gone i assume he'll be back they'll they gotta bring him yeah he'll be back how can you kill a personality you know it's like it's in there somewhere i would hope like the jeff lemire runs with mark going through all this stuff and then he wakes up in steve grant's penthouse and it was like oh i guess i had a nightmare that would be kind of fun like that's how that that's how the season that would be wild i was thinking either that or like uh could the season end with just like him waking up doing something horrible as jake lockley like or just waking up as jake lockley in general or something like that or if he wakes up as jake lockley we see mirrors in the background yeah mark and steven both look at each other like
Starting point is 00:31:23 who the fuck is that because jake's a cab driver so like all of a sudden you hear like an alarm he has to like go do the graveyard shift yeah that would be fun and then it's like he's adjusting the mirror that's how you do it he's adjusting his mirrors in the cab that'd be pretty fucking good right i love it i love it this is gonna come off kind of mean and I know it's Bob's guy and all. As Mark, killing Steven to live in heaven for the rest of your life, that's a trade I think I would make, I'll be honest with you guys. Yeah. I mean, your imaginary personality slash friend who's like a vegan and shit.
Starting point is 00:31:59 Oh, but I'm so sorry, Mark. Jose, this is coming from a guy who just had to take his kids to a gift shop and now hates every gift shop on the planet because of the fights I had to have. So that's where I'm coming from here. Bob always does the cute little British accent to make sure he's a lovely, wonderful person. I feel like we might see that sand death again. The way they kind of zoomed in on Steven's face, I was like, I could see us seeing that somewhere, somehow.
Starting point is 00:32:26 I don't know how, but I feel like... Harrow? Is that how they kill Harrow? Yeah, I feel like that might be something where Marvel comes back to it there, the way they kind of paused on it. Speaking of guys who died, I want Roro back. I want him back. I don't know how we're gonna bring Roro back, and I'll tell you, man, I was fucking
Starting point is 00:32:41 curled up into a little ball, like a little bitch. I'm like, wait, what the fuck are we doing here jose didn't warn me about like a cute little brother dying jose i couldn't warn you about something that doesn't happen in the comic either this little boy either this little jewish boy dies or he becomes a psychotic serial killer like pick your poison i did see people were pretty excited about the fact that they showed that he is like jewishness because he's very jewish in the comics and people were like that's like a big part of his character yeah the original moon knight he part of his whole gimmick was like his father his father's grandfather like they escaped the holocaust or
Starting point is 00:33:19 something like that and he's like you didn't go back and take vengeance i'm like and his dad's like oh he's like what do you mean and he's like and that he't go back and take vengeance. I'm like, and his dad's like, he's like, what do you mean? And he's like, and that he like doesn't respect his father for that. I'm like, your dad survives the worst thing of history. Like his ancestors, no Magneto's ancestors back in the day. Hey, maybe if anything, Magneto's, I think I'll die on this little Magneto is the best supervillain in the history of comic books because of his background. It's pretty awesome. But, you know, I was thinking about this and i think we've talked about it on the show before like in 50 years are they going to change magneto's background to like
Starting point is 00:33:55 another genocide like you know what i mean like is it going to get to the point where the holocaust is too far away if you want to set comics in modern day where Magneto either needs to become invincible or he can't age? Hmm. I hope not, but you never know. It's a weird issue if you want to. The way Marvel does it sometimes, like we were talking on the Doctor Strange episode that people could look out for. Thor did a thing where he went down to hurricane Katrina. They've done Spider-Man and nine 11 and stuff.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Yeah. I got a DM from this guy, Ben Brown. I got to shout him out at the big Shalom, by the way, he goes, Jews have been clamoring for a superhero for a long time. And we finally get one just in time for him to be slave to Egyptians. Time is a flash. And he goes, Jews have been clamoring for a superhero for a long time, and we finally get one just in time for him to be slave to Egyptians.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Time is a flash. And he goes, still, it's a start. So shout out to the Jewish people for getting their guy, and we'll see what he does next time. Yeah, I mean, the X-Men were created solely because, like, Jack Kirby. Like, they were the X's, and they were ostracized. So that was Jack Kirby's's like answer to like jewish people and like being unrepresented in comic books there's like there's enough there's like quicksilver polaris doc samson magneto sasquatch kitty pride would wear the star of david a lot in
Starting point is 00:35:15 the x-men comic book scarlet witch is technically jewish wiccan speed all these guys there's a lot of jewish superheroes mood night just happens to be the one on screen first one on screen yep exactly um predictions for the finale what do we got from you guys there's so much to cover here that's like we have harrow we have layla we have jake we have i know worries me a little bit that like it'll fall into the trap of like he'll just get into a big cgi fight with harrow and we will leave stuff on the table. You know, like I don't want to leave all that unresolved.
Starting point is 00:35:51 How many episodes are left? Just one. What? Really? Wow. Maybe this is more. All right. There's my prediction.
Starting point is 00:36:00 Secret episode. I say that every series that we do, we're going to get kind of like that secret track on an album Where you're like oh shit it just keeps playing Secret episode coming It better be a long episode It better be like close to an hour If not you know 60 minutes
Starting point is 00:36:15 I thought we had at least 2-3 more That's interesting Selfishly I would I would do the cab thing Where like Jake wakes up And gets in the cab and where like yeah Jake wakes up and gets in the cab and adjust the mirror and then someone gets in his cab or he's
Starting point is 00:36:31 an Uber driver because we need to oh you could do Uber yeah now because he's because he's modern day and so he goes to pick someone up and he's just the camera and you see Mark or Jake or Mark or Steven in there and then someone gets in the cab and he's like,
Starting point is 00:36:46 looking for Randall. And then credits. Oh, that'd be pretty good. Clem, do you have any predictions yourself? Like, I'm still confused about how the asylum works. Yeah. I don't think he's dead. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:03 I think he's dying. Yeah, I think he's dead yeah i think he's dying yeah i think he's i think he's probably dying yeah conchu's gonna do conchu getting out like leila getting conchu out you don't even fucking conchu out too god what am i saying oh my god i think mark was worried leila was like on he was like oh she's on like a suicide mission or whatever but like is she gonna get him out or is this somehow like all part of the plan where it's like mark getting shot and him dying will allow him to get consue out from the afterlife for some i don't know i'm gonna say that that that room full of dead people somehow plays a role in like fixing all this because that was just so fucking weird and they were just like oh this
Starting point is 00:37:43 is weird it was creepy as shit and then they just kept going i feel like there's more in that the dead cafe is could that be a parallel to like the room full of the little statues that we saw for like one second we saw like oh are there a bunch of gods that are just locked up so she also said the hippo said like this is a afterlife yep i mean there is this big evil fire lord that lives in hell that we need are assuming is going to be introduced at some point to uh man the m man that would be a lot of fun man i don't know what's gonna happen i really like one episode left that's a lot to introduce like do they do kind of the blade tease like they did at the end of eternals do they do like that kind of thing they're both in london right they're all in london right now i don't know if they
Starting point is 00:38:37 would introduce a blade in moon knight like the black knight the black knight could for sure absolutely well black knight has teamed up with dr strange more than moon knight so the black knight the black knight could for sure absolutely well black knight has teamed up with dr strange more than moon knight so the black knight what i think would i would intro the uh dr strange of some sorts i mean the the eternals did mess around a lot in ancient egypt yeah i got i got i got a fresh one for you okay so post-credit scene we got to think like that now if we're doing finales right post-credit scene gonna go uh and again you said eternals it's not gonna be john snow fuck it blade give us give us another blade reveal or something like that blade would be sick i think gore the god
Starting point is 00:39:25 butcher would be sick in a series dealing with a bunch of gods like what if gore just comes in fucking kills one of them yes yes the hippo yeah even better cold blood there was uh slices their head off someone had posted an easter egg where the hippo there's hippo dolls in the first in the first episode like hey can you move the dolls anna says it to him and he has to move them it's crazy how much is packed into even just that one scene last uh i think it's last week where they just pan through everything it's like there's honestly an easter egg in every frame of that shot from the fish to the crowley to the bosses it's very very well thought about,
Starting point is 00:40:05 but I was talking to Ken Jack about this today too. He said, where would you rank it among the Marvel shows? And I was like, I don't really don't know. Like it's hard to rank with the Marvel shows. Cause it doesn't feel as much like a Marvel show. No.
Starting point is 00:40:17 It feels so standalone ish. Someone told someone, I saw someone on Twitter was like, uh, the, uh, moon night doesn't work for the mcu and i was like i think it's the other way around i don't think the mcu doesn't work for moon night yeah
Starting point is 00:40:32 i think because moon like this specific one is just a little bananas i i would assume season six is just i mean episode six is just mark coming back and fighting harrow i think yeah that might be the way they usually because it's i feel like you tune like like we all agree there has been a severe lack of like moon knight the superhero oh yeah like it's been a lot of like so i feel like they're gonna have to give us some epic fight rather than like a couple minutes here and there i didn't think like me and robbie are just like man this kind of sucks we're not seeing as much moon knight We don't like even know moon night basically to not be like, I can't even be upset.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Cause I don't even know who he is. Jose's probably watching these shows. Like put the fucking moon night on the television. Like it's like moon nights. Other personas should be the name of this series so far. It was another idea I had for the show where I was like, they should have done that. It would have been just a cool way to set it apart.
Starting point is 00:41:27 This episode is called asylum. That's the title of the episode and i was like that's kind of dope they should have done like batman the animated series style title cards for every episode like if we saw the beginning like moon night colon asylum it would have just hyped me up more for the episode it would have been like oh shit what do we get into this week maybe even with those like there's that awesome picture from the jeff lemire run which i didn't even read but the picture of him where he put the this like uh blankets over his head pillowcase he makes his own yeah he makes his own he draws the thing on his head yeah it's such a cool style that like you could have done pictures of oscar isaac have that artist kind of draw mark specter in that oscar isaac style would have been cool but when it when it comes to ranking it like i hate to say it i'd probably put
Starting point is 00:42:13 moon knight towards the bottom and i i don't dislike the show like i've been captivated every week but it would be with like along with falcon and winter soldier with me and another show that i liked but it's not like i mean loki wandavision even hawkeye i was like really really into i'm not that way with moon knight moon knight i'm like i'll get around to it what's your guys's favorite loki was my favorite yeah i think loki and wanda loki won wandavision too just because wandavision was a little slow to start and i'm i i and again, I feel like Falcon and the Winter Soldier is like, instead of like the ceiling, it's like the floor where it's like, all right, you guys are down in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Yeah, like, because I'm not as in tune to like the cinematic universe,
Starting point is 00:42:57 but like in the comic book world, I saw nothing about Falcon and Winter Soldier. Like there was no chattering at all. Like WandaVision. That's how it feels to Moon Knight about the show right now. about falcon a winter soldier like there was no shattering at all like wandavision feels about to moon knight about a little right now i'll say so wandavision like shut down everything like that was to a lot of people in the in in the scene that's the that's the show and loki was great too i'm seeing a lot of non-comic book fans talking about moon night for whatever reason like they're very confused well i could see non-comic book fans liking this because there's so little sure superhero stuff in it i also think oscar isaac is just like such a beloved true like actor that people will tune in for him like i don't like are there elizabeth olsen fans like i'm not saying
Starting point is 00:43:42 that to be like probably some fans on Twitter. I feel like Oscar... Of course there are. Oscar Isaac is like... Oscar Isaac, wasn't he technically Apocalypse in the X-Men movies? He's Apocalypse and he's Spider-Man 2099 in the animated universe.
Starting point is 00:44:01 He's going to play that in... He's playing Miguel O'Hare. Into the Spider-Verse. Which I saw universe he's going to play that in he was playing miguel o'hare of uh uh into the spider verse which i saw they just played at cinema con they just played the first 15 minutes of across the spider verse so that movie has to be i know they just delayed it but it has to be like pretty far along if they're showing that much of it yeah i would imagine so that's going to be such a good movie there's a lot from they announced that they're doing across much of it. Yeah, I would imagine so. That's going to be such a good movie. There's a lot from... They announced that they're doing Across the Spider-Verse,
Starting point is 00:44:27 and then the next one is Beyond the Spider-Verse. There's a lot from... There's an arc from the Spider-Man 29.9 comic book where Miguel O'Hare, who's the Irish... I love Spider-Man 29 because he's Irish and Mexican, and I'm Irish and Mexican,
Starting point is 00:44:41 so I was like, and his name's Miguel. Love everything about this. This is my guy. There's a... Later on,uel o'hare creates like the device that can bounce in between multiverses and like find his other selves yeah and i and i i think like that's precedent kind of set the scene for a lot of what i think we're gonna see in doctor strange i didn't say that on the previous show but like it could like stuff that would like obviously they're not going to use spider-man 29.9 yeah in the thing or like another i know we didn't
Starting point is 00:45:10 where this is in a doctor strange episode but like there's the scene where there's like this arc where do you know who molecule man is it sounds familiar maybe if i saw a picture of him so he is like he is a big player in the original secret wars um where and so he is a big player in the original Secret Wars. So he is stupid overpowered. To put it in the lamest sense, he can control molecules, but that is the very baseline of what he can do. He can basically restructure everything. And he was created, I want to say say i don't remember who created him but if you go to every multiverse there is like say there's a hundred mult universes there's a hundred
Starting point is 00:45:54 robbies this universe you could be a woman this universe you could have 2020 vision this universe you could be bald like every universe would be different molecule man in every universe is the exact same and he's the only one that is the exact same because he is essentially a walking like reset button where um i think it's a celestial or someone basically just blows him up blows him up and resets the universe or resets the world so like that he's like the the nuke button they're like give me the correct molecule man correct so every single universe he has the same origin story the same name the same look the same powers the nexus being i see one of them or is that like kind of different
Starting point is 00:46:44 i never heard of that one but well i've never heard that theory or read that book Is Scarlet Witch a nexus being? Is he one of them? Or is that kind of different? I never heard of that one. Well, I've never heard that theory or read that book. That's what they say about Wanda and the MCU. So that's the only... I was about to say the only other person I can think of where everything is always the same is Scarlet Witch. Like I said yesterday, Scarlet Witch gets powers. Scarlet Witch is a good guy.
Starting point is 00:47:03 Scarlet Witch loses everything loyal she loves she goes crazy catone escapes hell breaks loose rinse and repeat it's like if you're like you better listen on monday yeah the brain's in repeat it's the same thing and also something we mentioned on monday and then they dropped a new tv spot on us i say on the doctor strange episode coming out on monday that my favorite professor x theory is that he's the professor x from the x-men 90s cartoon i hope today they release a tv spot he's in the fucking yellow floaty chair he's in the yellow floaty chair yes you don't see like a full picture you just see his arm on the recliner.
Starting point is 00:47:45 It's clearly the yellow floaty chair. Someone tweeted me. They were so mad. They, oh, fuck you, Robbie. Do I have to mute TV spot now? It's not a spoiler if Marvel puts it out. It's on TV. It's literally like, are you mad at Monday Night Football if they put a commercial on?
Starting point is 00:48:02 Come on. I can't control that. They put that, but you also, they put confirmation. You see from the back, someone get blown away, and then they have the British Captain America shield. It's Captain Carter from the What If Show. Oh, boy. Brains are going to break.
Starting point is 00:48:20 This multiverse of madness. That's why you guys got to listen on Monday because, again, how many of us would have been lost without Professor Young dropping knowledge before Moon Knight? And this multiverse of madness. It's a great episode too. People got to listen on Monday. I hope so, man. We usually do the Friday releases.
Starting point is 00:48:34 Make sure you set your clock, set your watches to Monday. Because you're going to need that going into Doctor Strange. All right. We will see you guys for the Moon Knight finale next week. Like I said, Monday we've got the pod about Doctor Strange, and I hope everyone enjoys Doctor Strange. I will be seeing it on Monday. Not to brag, but I'll be seeing it on Monday, and I'll tweet out my non-spoiler thoughts about it. Bob used the time stone on our asses. There you go.

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