My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 206 - ‘DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS’ REVIEW WITH CLEM

Episode Date: May 10, 2022

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Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement, presented by 3C and Barstool Sports, and the Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness edition of My Mom's Basement. We are going to speak to writer Michael Waldron a little later this week, and that's going to be exciting. Right now though, it's just you and me, Clem, and we're here to discuss the newest Doctor Strange movie, the newest installment to the MCU. That guy Waldron is fucking with our heads in the multiverse all over again. This is the second time he's done it to us.

And we're going to get back at him. You know, if anyone has any questions that you want us to ask Waldron, you hit us up. We'll try to forward them along, but I have a bone to pick with that man because a lot of shit went down in this movie. A lot of shit went down. I will say, before we even get into the spoilers the one thing that i was very much like i'm gonna kill waldron if this happens didn't happen so i was happy about that and we'll get into that a little later but the movie overall your overall thoughts i saw it a

little earlier i went to the screening like yep may 2nd i saw this movie so it's been a couple days i've gotten to really digest the movie digest my thoughts with it what did you think you went with kfc the old milk boy he got milk at the movie theater milk at a movie theater and now when he tweeted that we were all like what the fuck is this guy's problem when he ordered that in front of you were you the same way so you know kevin like tip of the hat he's an old veteran to the the blogging game he knows how to get you know the people talking he doesn't mention that he also got cookies because we were at an Alamo draft house. Oh, okay. That's way better.

That makes it way better. Kevin, right now what he did was, he's basically the meme of, like, the soldier shielding the child. Yes. He was like, you know what? I'm giving everyone the good content for my sake. Yeah, exactly. Roast me in the comments.

I'll never forget Kevin one time. He was at a Mets game, and he got caught on the camera. I was like, dude, you're just on camera. He's like, dude, blog that. And like, don't pull any punches, like just rip me apart. And that's just someone who there's a reason why Barstool is where it is today. And it's selfless people like that who just took it on the chin so that we could keep growing. But I like the movie, obviously. I will say I find there's two ways that I've seen in terms of people.

People either liked it or they were disappointed by it. And I think if you go into it thinking, is this going to be the all encompassing world builder universe builder? Is it going to be the neck, like another end game, which feels weird because this would have been out pretty close after end game. And even no way home felt like another end game in a weird way. Exactly.

So I do think, and I didn't know going in if it was going to be one way or the other. I talked to you beforehand and you said, it's not this crazy, monstrous movie that you thought it could be. It's more self-contained. So I went in knowing that. I feel like a lot of people thought we're getting a hundred cameos in this movie. It's like, well, no, not really. It is a very closed story with Doctor Strange and Wanda,

and America obviously involved in the surrounding characters. But it's not this overarching, like, oh, my God, they set up the future of the MCU here. In some ways, they did. But in a lot of ways, it was the cameos were kind of contained to that Illuminati scene. Exactly. And that scene was good enough for that to be all the cameos we needed. We'll be talking about some goosebumps that were hit during that scene. I think for the both of us. So,

um, I, but I liked it a lot. I saw last I checked 450 million. It was in the box office. Shout out Waldron. Half a Billy already. So,

uh, Waldron's a legit nerd stoolie and he's doing the damn thing at Marvel at now. Star Wars. He's doing Kevin Feige, Star Wars movie at Rick and Morty before this. I'm happy for that guy. I like that guy. I just, I just like being friends with him. Yeah. I can't wait toige's Star Wars movie. He had Rick and Morty before this. I'm happy for that guy. I like that guy. I just like being friends with him.

Yeah. I can't wait to have him on the pod. Now I'm like, do I really rip him a new anthem? I just want to see the guy on Whiteboard. He'll take it. He's like Kevin where he's like, yeah, don't pull any punches here. Now let's get into the movie. We've got a lot to talk about.

So spoilers. If you didn't see this movie, why are you watching the podcast the podcast well i guess some people i think buda ben has told me actually he listens to our recaps without seeing the movies that's my guy shout out buda ben you're wearing a shirt right now that's total coincidence didn't even mean to give him the plug you said white socks dave saw that and said man everyone's rocking this stuff we do we sell like how and he's like i gotta get my hands on that signal that isn't real merch um and everyone if you're listening if you haven't seen the movie you're listening you're watching on youtube i'm gonna hit you guys now we usually beg you once every so often this is the week pause it leave us a five-star

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If you could click it Do it And just leave nothing but good stuff Now is the time to show support It's like all the wizards At Karmatage Where they're like Shields up

Everyone put the shields up Put the shields up I'm not saying we're in danger We're not I don't think we're in danger right now But You know what The people who are in danger

They don't know they're in danger Until they're dead So that's That's what I said That's people who are in danger, they don't know they're in danger until they're dead. So that's what I said. That's a fact. Yeah, until someone whispers behind you and they're like, let go. And you're like, ah! Or she says run or whatever. Yeah.

Let's get into this. So a movie opens with America Chavez and a strange variant. I think this was Defender Strange. He had the ponytail, the white. And it also opens in Spanish, which made me think right away like do we have the right uh version of this movie in our theater but of course America Chavez is a Spanish speaker and this version of Doctor Strange speaks Spanish as well they're being chased by this wild demon it's got wraps all over it it's got kind of a fiery like the villain from Moana at the end of Moana

I couldn't think of what villain they're money thank you right that's uh Takar yeah yeah before he turns into Te Fiti again. Yep. Or is that the island? The island's the girl. The heart of Te Fiti. The heart of Te Fiti. So Te Fiti's the girl.

And again, we won't go on our Moon Knight tangents here, but Moana is my favorite fucking Disney movie. I love Moana. I love Moana, yeah. And I love The Lion King and Toy Story, all those other ones, but Moana's number one. The music, that little David Bowie song, Shiny. Yeah, yeah. Not literally David Bowie, but obviously inspired by him they're running through this space that we find out later is the space between multiverses which is kind of what Jose told us about on the

show we didn't see like Shuma Goreth in there but he was like yeah it's the cracks between the bricks and that's where they were looking for the book of the shanti it was that again if you haven't listened to the Jose Young's podcast explaining Dr Strange, it might make things make a little more sense to you because that's exactly it. The book of Vashanti, too, as soon as we saw that, we were like, oh, he told us that's the antithesis of the Darkhold. That's like the good version of the Darkhold. And he said if Strange gets his hands on that, oh, my God, he's going to be crazy powerful. So like seeing him get killed going for it, he was like, oh, shit, he's right. Right there, the book of Vashanti, which as a Giants fan or a football fan,

I think of Vishanti Shanko, which is a deep cut for people that don't know. He's one of those early people that was caught in, like, after a game. He was in the locker room without pants on, and you just saw all of Vishanti. And there's a lot of Vishanti. Oh, my God. The Book of Vishanti means two very different things. I saw the Hog of Vishanti, and it was fucking nightmare-inducing. And the demon does catch up to him as they're going

for the book. It stabs this version of Strange and Strange kind of says like hey, the only way we're going to be able to do this is if I kill you. It's going to take your power. I need to kill you. Grab your power. So he like starts going to take it. America gets so nervous and so scared that she creates a portal, sends him both through. He's a corpse at this point

so she literally is bringing his dead corpse to Earth 616, which they confirm later on. It's the first time we ever got that, what they call Earth in the comic books. And that was one of the early things. Jose texted me right after I saw it. He said, I don't care about spoilers. I just want to know like a couple things. And one of the things he wanted to know is like, does Earth 616 get mentioned?

And I was like, fuck yeah, it does. I'm happy because as someone that is newer into the nerdier sides of things here that is learning all the different Earth names, I'm like, shit, now everyone knows this. I like when we're bringing the mass audience into the nerdy Reddit culture. Not that Reddit. Not the Reddit that's been talked about non-stop here. The Reddit

that is superhero shit. I'm liking now that we're getting numbers to stuff and potentially more down the road. And this office by the way, today at least, feels like a multiverse to me now that we're getting numbers to stuff and potentially more down the road. And this office, by the way, today at least feels like a multiverse to me in that we obviously have crazy drama going around. And at the same time, I walked through the lobby and I saw Glenny Balls introducing everyone to a mother-daughter OnlyFans combo and Nick getting a swirly at the exact same time. And I was like, we really do it all at this company. This company is a fucking shit show. It is its own Illuminati in its own special way.

This nightmare is a nightmare for Doctor Strange, our Doctor Strange. He wakes up having seen everything we just saw in the multiverse, and we learn later on that his nightmares are actually all just different versions of himself in the multiverse, which I thought was so fucking cool. That's the kind of detail in a movie that I was going to say if I was a kid leaving this theater, but even as a 23 year old leaving this theater I went to bed that night thinking like am I about to see into another multiverse

I'm just thinking about the poor multiverse versions of us that are waking up can't get the locker combination oh my god and are taking the test even though you didn't go to one class the entire semester you're thinking why didn't I just go to one class why am I taking this test I'm going to fail it and those poor fucks in that multiverse.

Those poor fucks. This is probably the best multiverse version of each of us. We got lucky with this. We work at a company where those two things are a possibility. We're like weirdly in that multiverse that I go to later on where it's got the grass everywhere and the memory bank and all that nice stuff. That's the meme. It's the utopia meme basically.

It looked like that utopia meme when they went there. It really did. But Dr. Strange fixes his watch. He's getting ready to go to Christine's wedding. Upsetting that, obviously, Christine's not getting married to him here. But they said they couldn't work it out. He sits down at the doctor that was in the first movie. And the doctor has a great back and forth where he's like, I've got to ask you, was there only really one way? And he's asking about all the Avengers stuff.

He's like, oh, yeah, world's greatest surgeon, world's greatest surgeon world's greatest avenger i'm sure yeah you do it all and during this we get this massive slimy octopus monster that's invisible to everyone except strange and america chavez because strange has to like hit his spell to even see it that was cool the way they shot that and it attacks strange jumps off the balcony puts the cape on goes to save the day and he does save the day. They eventually stab the frigging eyeball out of the big monster. That was the first moment in this movie where I went, this is a fucking Sam Raimi movie. This feels different, feels different than the MCU.

The whole movie does. That's one of the biggest highlights. I think I said it on the last podcast as well. It feels a little different than all the rest of the MCU movies. It feels like it fits into a class of its own. Yeah. And I know people had said horror was all the rest of the MCU movies. It feels like it fits into a class of its own. Yeah, and I know people had said horror was like the genre of it

and you're like, how are they going to pull that off in the MCU? And listen, if you have if you're doing the Buddha Ben and you're listening without having seen it, I will tell you right now not acceptable for young kids. No, right? I told you that about Sienna and I think I was correct about that. This is a guy that does no problem for kids

seeing human trafficking and all that kind of stuff. If it's bad for Bob, it's definitely bad for the little kids. If they would have put Nirvana over the bad stuff in this movie, I would have been like, yeah, she could probably see it. That giant one-eyed monster, I thought of as the star monster from Suicide Squad.

And then Doctor Strange, you could just list out all the superpowers. Sometimes you'll see a hero, Starro, yeah. Starro, yeah. And then Doctor Strange. I mean, you could just list out all the superpowers. You know, like sometimes you'll see like a hero, superpowers, and all that stuff. Being able to tie your tie without touching it is an all-time flex. It's hard enough to tie a tie if you know how to, if you actually use your hands. And that's how you would really use magic. Yes, exactly. You know, it's all the like everyday minuscule things that you would really want to use it for.

The change in the channel. Where's the remote? You could x-ray vision see it. Oh, the remote. Yeah. Oh, my God. Good call, Bob. I like that.

And the other thing you could do is if you're, say, at the wedding of the life where it all fell through, I honestly wouldn't have blamed Doctor Strange if this all came out, that he planted the monster. And he kind of was like, I'm going to remind them that I'm an Avenger that got snapped away five years ago and helped save the world five years later and got rid of Thanos. And I would have loved that play from Doctor Strange. Even the way he fucking switches outfits using his magic. That's like the magical version. Remember when you had the pull-away pants where you could just rip them apart?

Yeah. Like that's Doctor Strange's version of that. And his suit looked cool in this, too. It looked a little different than the last time we saw it. I think it looked brighter. I think it was like more bright blue, more bright red on the cape. I just thought the whole suit was, like, damn, that's a cool design. I feel like everyone that was in the Avengers, in the Battle of whatever.

What would you call that? New York? Like, upstate New York? The Battle of New York is the first Avengers movie. But the Death of Thanos. Avengers Campus? Yeah. Anyone that defeated Thanos. Anyone that defeated Thanos in person, you got, like, but the death of Thanos. The death of Thanos. Avengers Campus. Anyone that defeated Thanos.

Anyone that defeated Thanos in person, you got like a new layer of paint. And maybe like – it's like they changed uniforms a little this season. Not a lot. You can't really tell, but like the hardcore people can tell you. We saw with Thor, the picture of him. They really gave him a new coat of paint on that. He's wearing blue. Kind of looks spacey, futuristic.

I think him and Jane Foster look awesome in that movie. Yeah, they look awesome. So Doctor Strange, strange nice outfit and the cape just always comes through i forget how just goddamn good that cape is you always the perfect comparison the magic carpet from aladdin that cape comes through more than than you realize during this thing he might be like the cape is like getting some mvp too yeah spoilers jump ahead a little bit but it gets ripped and then they put the little patch on it so it's like all right it's like getting some MVP votes. It gets ripped in this movie, too. Yeah. Spoilers jump ahead a little bit, but it gets ripped, and then they put the little patch on it. So it's like, all right. It's almost like the Millennium Falcon when they replaced the satellite on it.

You're like, all right. It's got a little flavor to it now. After realizing that there's actually witchcraft runes in the demon, he's like, let me go talk to Strange about this. Someone sent this monster to go get America Chavez. This wasn't just a random attack. This was very specific. So he goes and talks to Wanda. And this was the scene that we saw in the trailer where he's like,

do you have your theories about the multiverse? Oh, Vision had his theories. Viz had his theories, she says. And she's cutting all the plants. And then he tells her all about, there's this girl and a monster's coming after the girl. She said, oh, did it get America? And the tone changes immediately.

And it was such a well- written moment by our guy Waljo because you could hear in the theater like a pin drop like oh fuck everyone realized like he didn't fucking say America and Wanda realized she turns out she's like you didn't tell me the name did you she completely reveals what the place actually looks like in a scene almost like the reality

stone where Thanos reveals an infinity war to the guardians like I broke this fucking place apart before you even got here. And it's on. From this moment on, really from the beginning on, this movie hits the ground running and it doesn't let up.

There's not a lot of these moments where it's just like, let's sit around and talk about this. It's like, no, no, no. Wanda is coming after you and you better fucking run. She's like, give her up. I want to get back to my kids.

Give her up and I'll get back and I'll leave everyone else alone. If you don't, your wizards are in big fucking trouble. You and your wizards. When you say wizards, it makes me kind of puss. That was awesome. I just love how, even strange, this is real. This feels real.

And then it's like, this shit is not real. And I was so proud of myself. There's certain times where I caught the name drop and how she said it, and I was like, like oh I got that one so I was kind of riding a high and like you said this this it was a roller coaster and it started and you didn't stop it just kept going the entire way and that was another thing when people were complaining about the runtime I feel like if you added 30 minutes onto this movie it wouldn't make it like a worse movie but it would slow down a little bit I think they were going for that

breakneck pace on this movie where it was just like balls to the wall, very Sam Raimi style and I'll say that a ton in this movie because I said it last podcast too, this feels more Sam Raimi a movie than like even Ragnarok feels a Taika Waititi. Like it's such his style throughout that I'm like god damn it's like undeniable. Yep.

100%. And I'm interested to talk to Waldron about working with Sam Raimi, what it was like and... I'm so interested to see like like, I want to know right away, like, where does this script even start? What's the starting point for, like, here's what I want to do in this movie? Because they do so much. There's a whiteboard, Bob, and it points at the whiteboard. He goes, this is where we're starting. This is where we're ending.

I need you to get from point A to point B. And then there's C. That's Thor. We're going to hit a couple notes there. And I saw an interview with, it was either Elizabeth Olsen or Benedict Cumberbatch, where they said the third act of the movie was very much up in the air while they were shooting. They were like, we started shooting, and it was like, we don't know how this movie's ending. Was that, weren't there reshoots too?

Like, I wonder if that was part of the reshoots. I saw rumors. This is, again, skipping ahead to the post-credit scene. I saw rumors that Charlize Theron was added in reshoots, and that originally that was going to be rachel mcadams as another christine variant oh shit that would have been fucked up yeah and i don't even know if that's true i just saw that on twitter as i learned people if you have like a suit on twitter people think it's always true yeah there's

so many fake accounts that people always fall and always just it's some just ordinary looking white dude wearing a suit and they're like oh it must be true and then a thousand retweets later yeah i tweeted today they tweeted like a picture of dave filoni's director's chair they started ahsoka filming today and he tweeted like can't wait to see tamora morrison spotted on set with a beard like insinuating he's gonna come play a clone trooper and i got someone dm me and be like is this confirmed and i was like no but they think because i have a blue check mark that i'm saying like i'm giving a scoop i'm like no no i'm just that's what i want to see. Wanda is corrupted by the Darkhold.

We saw this in the post-credit scene for WandaVision where she's, like, in the actual cabin with the Darkhold. It's like, oh, fuck, she's going after the kids. And Strange refuses to give up America Chavez. They go back to Karmataj. Is that what it's called? Yeah. And they just want to shield her, basically. They're like, let's put all our defenses up at Karmataj. Let's figure this out.

And Wanda comes. She negotiates with Strange in the air, kind of like they both float up there. And Strange comes back down. Wong's like, how did that go? He's like, not fucking good. She's coming. Let's put our shields up. Oh, and I forgot to mention, Wong does come in in that Gargantos, Shumagorth, whatever you want to call it.

Yes. The theater went nuts for Wong when he came through. And I was in a press theater where it's like people don't generally cheer for stuff like that. I was so proud of our guy Wong for getting a cheer when he entered the movie. The official Wong podcast. The number one Wong podcast. Wong, you're invited to my wedding.

You're invited to my wedding. By the way, every time I see Wong as a Sorcerer Supreme, which again the bowing was a funny running joke they had during this. Every time I see him as Sorcerer Supreme, and this is a Wong guy speaking, I'm always just like, it just feels weird it's not Doctor Strange because he is the good doctor. After not knowing that all those

flowers were fake, Wong would have known. I'm not ready to give you the Sorcerer Supreme title back yet, Doc. I also love that Wong is still, even though he is Sorcerer Supreme, a bit of male time. In Spider-Man No Way Home, he's like, don't involve me. I'm getting out of here. He's like, do what you want to do.

Wong just wants to drink and sing karaoke. Him and Lao Chun would get along so well. Oh, my God. Yeah, he would have to hit a spell on Lao Chun where it limits him at seven. You don't want to get Lao Chun at an eight, a nine, or a ten. But Lao Chun and Wong together at karaoke drunk could honestly be like the end of this universe. The multiverse collapses in on itself at that event. Earth 616 ended on Loud Sean and Wong's first karaoke together.

So Wanda attacks. Chavez accidentally transports herself and Strange to Earth 838. And Maximoff is using the Darkhold. She's using the tactics we talked about before where she goes up to the one wizard and she goes, run. And the guy's just like, what the fuck? And I love the way they shot some of that stuff.

Like, the way they shot the dream sequence that we'll talk about later on, where it was like Wanda was kind of everywhere. She was kind of like she could project herself with the dreamwalking and stuff. That was awesome. And she does get the Darkhold. It's destroyed by a wizard who sacrifices

himself. I was stunned when they destroyed the Darkhold, because I was just like, oh, I thought she needed that. Clearly she didn't. She found the runes elsewhere. But he stabs it with a fucking knife, which I was like, oh, that's all you need to do to destroy the Darkhold? You could have got one of those famous guys that fucking, you know, people that could rip a phone

book in half? Get one of those guys, rip the Darkhold in half? And she kills all those guys, rip the dark hold in half. And she kills all the wizards at Carmitage. Basically it takes Wong hostage, beats the fuck out of Wong in this movie. He gets his ass kicked for real. And I think Rintra the Minotaur survived. I'm pretty sure. Big fan of Rintra.

Are you a fan? I am a fan. I expected him to be like kind of a character in this movie. He was just a background character, which I'm okay with. You know, I don't want to force too many people in but i was going into this being like we're going to learn a lot about this guy we really didn't no and i i thought we're gonna yeah like he was going to become a character i feel like in shang chi he made he made karmataj look a little more cool though a little more unique different more star warsy where it's like oh

these people are coming from all walks of life all planets maybe where i feel like the last time we saw in stranger was just like all normal looking wizards. That's a great, you made it Star Wars. Just by having a couple alien species, for lack of a better term, that kind of makes sense. I dig that, Bob. So the surviving sorceress, once she destroys the Darkhold,

gets killed by Wanda. Wanda forces Wong to teach her where she can go to get the things, right? I thought Wong was a dead man at this point. I honestly thought. When she chains him up and everything, and then she fucking yeets him off a cliff. Yep.

There was five different times I thought Wong died during this movie. Agreed. And that's what I was referring to earlier when I said, the one thing I didn't want to happen didn't happen. I didn't want Wong to die. And I was so worried that Waldron was going to kill off Wong, and we were going to have to be like, Waldron, you were our guy until you killed off Wong,

but Wong was our guy more. It would have been very awkward. It would have been awkward. Part of me thinks maybe they to kill off Wong, and we were going to have to be like, Waldron, you were our guy until you killed off Wong, but Wong was our guy more. It would have been very awkward. It would have been awkward. Part of me thinks maybe they did kill him off, and then we scared him with all the talk, so they went into reshoots. We've got to keep Wong alive for the boys. The reshoots.

We've got to keep Wong's lights on for the basement boys, basically, for lack of a better term. Also, like you said, when Wanda was going around whispering in people's ears and stuff, I like seeing that side. I think in Age of Ultron they did a little bit of that you know and and made her terrifying there are moments in this movie where she's walking them down and it's like she looks like the fucking not looks like but feels like the terminator yeah now exactly or mike myers and oh

my god the music on this movie the danny elfman score his first superhero score maybe since batman i don't know i don't know if that's true. I don't think he did. Or did he do the original Spider-Mans with Sam Raimi? He might have done Spider-Mans with Sam Raimi, actually. I think he did. But his score and the use of piano when Wanda was, like, coming in, it would be these chords that sound slightly, like, distorted and deranged. I was like, oh, fuck.

This is building the tension. His use of silence in it where it was like there were scenes like that. She dreamwalks into another Wanda's body where she could see her kids, Billy and Tommy. And this is a theme throughout the entire movie. Dreamwalking is very looked down upon. It's something that the Darkhold is used for. It's something that corrupts wizards that use it, or anyone that uses it. It doesn't have to be a wizard, I guess, a witch as well.

And the dreamwalking was fucking awesome. It was like a different way of, I hate to bring this up in front of Clem, how Luke Skywalker projects himself using the Force in The Last Jedi reminded me a lot of that. But it wasn't like, she wasn't like a hologram. She was a physical being, like they were getting into fights with her. The one she projects herself into is the one that gets into the fight

with the Illuminati later on. So awesome, awesome setup for this movie. And awesome setup for Doctor Strange and Chavez to go into Earth-838, the utopia world. They go and see some memory bank, I guess you could call that. They step on a thing and America Chavez sees her origin story, which is her parents, her two moms, getting sucked into a portal that she accidentally opened. And we saw Doctor Strange just on a date with Christine,

the date where she actually gave him the watch that we know a lot about. I suggested to Marina, our friend at Barstool, who was pregnant. She's like, I'm a pregnant woman. I need a pee break. I said, that's your pee break. As soon as they go to the memory bank, I was like, none of these things are super important. I could tell you in one sentence what America Chavez's origin story is. When we got to the origin, kind of started feeling comfortable with America Chavez's origin story is. When we got to the origin, I kind of started

feeling comfortable with America Chavez. I actually thought to myself, this is a pretty decent character. I don't think she's Haley Steinfeld level Kate Bishop, where I'm like immediately in love with this character. But we talk about this a lot with different movies, TV shows. It's hard to write for kids and not make them annoying. And I don't think America Chavez was annoying. I'm with you. I don't think she was annoying. I have to admit, though, there was no part of this where I wouldn't have just basically killed her just to be like, all right, so you can't have her

and ruin the universe. Yeah. I would have strange whatever magic her soul had in her body. But strange is like at this point after No Way Home and everything, he's like a cool dad. Yeah. It's just strange with the kids, all these movies, which I kind of like. I'm like, this is like a funny dynamic for Strange. It's just strange with the kids, all these movies, which I kind of like.

This is like a funny dynamic for Strange. He just has to constantly deal with and help kids. Yep. And speaking of kids, I just want to let people know this at home that don't have kids and are watching Wanda and her little perfect two kids. That's not what kids are like.

If Wanda saw what they were really or if wanda saw what they were really like she wouldn't want to go find them and maybe it's because my kids are seven and four and they're still growing up and my seven-year-old is like pretty close to to the two kids that's gonna say sienna yeah yeah billion uh medieval times yeah exactly aj not so much billion what's the other one? Tommy. Tommy. Like, yeah, you're going to get the Billy's, but like Tommy, you're not going two for two. And then like if you just watch for another five minutes, they're going to start fighting each other. And there was a little.

When they started singing to her. Yeah. The first season. And I'm like, can we have some ice cream? Whatever it was. Yeah. I was so mad about that. I was so fucking furious. So, yeah.

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Whatever you're looking to attend, GameTime will hook you up. The way she's able to DreamWalk without the Darkhold is she goes to Mount Wondegore, I think it was. Wondegore, yep. Wondegore. And this is like a crazy-looking old temple. And she gets to it, and she's like, this isn't a tomb. This is a throne. And you see the statue of her behind her.

And there's those big monsters that kind of are there to defend her. They bow down to her. Very cool. I could have done for like five more minutes explaining this mountain because everything I heard about it, I was like, this is fucking metal. This is a metal mountain. Metal mountain. C'thun. We're talking C'thun kind of stuff.

He wrote it and everything. Those beasts, I was like, are these guys, how badass are they? Are they like a 10 out of 10 in terms of like a villain? I feel like they were kind of bitches to be honest. You're kind of like that big guy that rolls with Thanos. Yes. That's a great point. Ebony just fucking Ebony Maw when he throws up this side.

He's like, this fucking guy. Who? Like supercharged gozers, too, from the books. Huge gozer vibes from these guys. Absolutely. I even meant to bring that up last week on our Moon Knight recap. The end of Moon Knight totally felt Ghostbusters-y. Yes.

Like Ghostbusters to me. When it's Amit taking all the souls and you see the souls flying. I was like, oh, that's definitely Ghostbusters. Similar colors, too. I think our guy Nathan Hurst tweeted that, too. Did he? Yeah, I think he was like, this is Ghostbusters in Egypt. The multi-Hurst nails it again.

And again, listen, pro Wong podcast. These two faces right here, pro Wong guys. He gave up that fucking mountain so good. Honestly, now I think he might have to lose Sorcerer Supreme. I think they might have to vacate the title like they would in wrestling or something. What happens if she kills the Sorcerer Supreme? If you kill the Sorcerer Supreme, are you the Sorcerer Supreme? Or is that a vacant title and then someone's got to step up?

Wanda is a Sorcerer Supreme. Supreme S? Oh, maybe, yeah. Oh, God. Or Sorceress Supreme? Is that a thing? Sorceress? Yeah, Sorceress Supreme. Is that a thing? Sorceress? Yeah, Sorceress Supreme.

I think that's – or maybe she just gets Witch Supreme because she's on the dark side of stuff. True. She might just be Witch Supreme. Also, another person I thought we might see in this movie – there are three people that I was like, I think we're probably going to see these cameos, and we didn't. Loki, Mobius, and – I almost said Morbiusius i fucked that up so many times i'm so old and agatha i thought there was a chance that we were going to see agatha like calm wand down or something or be like she's gone too far like or dr strange goes to agatha like how do i deal with this she's like i don't fucking know at this point but no agatha i think they're saving her for her

own show i could have was there a flash of agatha on the screen? Or maybe it was a flash of Scarlet Witch. There was something that I thought I saw a flash. It wasn't Agatha. It was like a flashback from the show. They did that little, when they first showed Wanda, the little jingle. It was a quick WandaVision jingle. That was nice. The way they dealt with the little jingles, which we're about to get to one, is awesome.

Absolutely crushed the music. I'm going to say it right now. Wong is in the shit. You have to kill at least three wizards before I'm going to show the most powerful being on earth. But three more of them, basically. Basically, I'm the only guy left and it's my life. And even at that point, strange. I'm thinking of the Ancient One. She was willing to die for this shit.

And I don't know if Wong's able to. The Ancient One was the most committed out of all of them by far. Like, by far, by far. That's like the cult leader. Even though she did. I guess when she found out about the multiverse ending, she was like, all right, Hulk, I'll give you a fucking shot. Yeah.

But she had to be convinced, and she was right to trust her instinct. I don't know about Wong. It's not like Wong saw all these different endings here and thought this was the only way to go. So I don't even know. Fuck it. Let the Minotaur be Rintra. That could be our new source of supreme history. So while they're searching for help on Earth-838, they run by the sanctum, and they see the statue of Doctor Strange.

And it says that Doctor Strange was killed defeating Thanos. It's like, oh, shit, this is the Supreme Strange that was in this universe. A door opens, and we see the new Sorcerer Supreme of this universe, Mordo, from the first movie. And Strange is like, holy shit, that guy tried to fucking kill me. And he walks right up to me. He's like, my brother. Gives him a big hug, and Strange shoots a great-looking America.

Like, I don't know, maybe in this universe he likes me. They go inside. They start having tea with Mordo. It's a good time. Until it isn't. That fucking universe was so awesome, too. I loved it. The Red Means Go.

That was funny. The whole thing where you have to always eat and just go with pizza and pizza containers. Pizza balls. The Pizza Papa. Pizza Papa. Which that was a cameo from the Evil Dead guy. I wish I knew his name. People are going to be so pissed at me.

I'm going to pull it up. They go back to high school, I believe, and it's like a thing where he's always in Sam Raimi's movies, which is awesome. I think he's been in pretty much it. Bruce Campbell. Bruce Campbell, yes. And we could skip forward to it because it's not really a spoiler.

His post-credit scene was so funny. It reminded me of when Captain America's like, so let's talk about the versions of patience, or the virtues of patience, or something like that. It reminded me of that. It was very meta, the way he looks at the screen, and he's like, it's over. I was so happy.

I looked at my after credits app, and it basically tells you, for any movie you want to see, if it has mid-credits and then an after credits, and then it gives you, people can rate it good or bad. So you can know if it's going to be worth your while, basically. And the first one, the mid credits in this one was like 93, and then the post one was like 60. And I guess a lot of people were like, I waited all this time for this joke.

You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. So I liked it because I wasn't going in. I set some people up for that. I wish I would have texted you. My friend said, are the post credits amazing? And I was like, there's one that's cool, and there's one that's funny. They did both um but they go they get the pizza papa

which they dr strange then makes him just start punching himself because they don't have the money for it and it was another funny line by america where she's like yeah you guys have to pay for food in this universe it's crazy almost all the multiverse you don't have to pay for food such a kick in the dick just hearing stuff like that is like man man, I wish this was reality. Yeah. They also, forgot to mention this, because I'm going through, by the way, if I forget to mention anything, I just kind of bullet pointed the Wikipedia plot summary, and I'm going as I remember. The scene where they actually

go through all the multiverses and get to this universe was amazing. When they talk about the special effects, holy shit, give this special effects team a raise who did this scene. The paint universe, the cartoon universe, the dinosaur universe, the one where he went through and he's all cubes. It was so fucking trippy.

I was like, this is what Jose was describing when he's talking about, oh, your favorite artist in Doctor Strange. These are the visuals that the people are drawing after. The amount of, I know during COVID, I think it was a lot of the special effects. It was so hard because there was such a bottleneck on getting the resources. Disney must have been like, there's no we're going to spend through the nose. We'll hire whoever we can. Just get

them on. And they fucking, they absolutely crushed it, man. They crushed it. There were some scenes where the character CGI I thought felt a little off. And I thought to myself, like, they probably spent all the time on the whole of her CGI. Yep. And when it gets to the point where, I think it's when Wanda's trying to get the dark hold in Carmitage and she's using the reflections to get through. And they're like, cover up all the reflections, the whole of her CGI. And when it gets to the point where, I think it's when Wanda's trying to get the dark hold in Carmitage and she's using the reflections to get through.

And they're like, cover up all the reflections, the puddles. And she crawls through like the symbol and she looks all weird and she like uncracks her spine and her neck or whatever. That I was like, okay, she kind of looks like a video game character. But other than that, that was the one scene really. The rest of the scenes,

I thought the CGI was really fucking impressive in this movie. Yeah. And again, the one where they're paint The rest of the scenes, I thought the CGI was really fucking impressive in this movie. Yeah, and again, the one where they're paint and then they kind of bring it back. Obviously, the dinosaurs, Savage Land, that kind of stuff. And I'm always – whenever a comic book character turns into a cartoon, I always kind of geek out a little bit. Oh, of course. And it looked almost like the What If cartoon style. I was like, oh, that's fucking cool. Maybe that's the What If universe.

And while they're having tea with Mordo, they start to feel a little weird. They start to feel a little wonky. We realized they just got drugged by Mordo. Mordo is not the brother that we thought he was in this universe. And I went into this. Like, it's so funny. Looking back, if you told me at the end of Doctor Strange 1, all right, they're going to see Mordo, I would have just been waiting for, like, a legit fight.

Fuck this guy. Mordo is the enemy. And then we basically were Doctor Strange as the audience. Fuck this guy. We give the enemy and then i was we were we basically were dr strange that's the audience yeah fuck this guy we give hugs i put my guard down i don't know about you no i put my guard down yeah and then i felt dumb for it as soon as the screen gets all woozy and hazy and stuff it's like fuck and then strange like guy can stop any magical spell you spit on him because he's a fucking the sorcerer or was a sorcerer supreme you falls for the old teacher can't get a roofie out of a system he can't like make himself throw up or something yeah he wakes up and this is the

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who we didn't really get much of an explanation for. I assume this is just a good universe where that went well. And he's brought before the Illuminati. And the Illuminati in this movie consists of the Sorcerer Supreme, Mordo, Peggy Carter, Captain, Captain Carter. I almost said Captain Britain, but Captain Carter. She looks great in this, by the way. In the suit and live action, awesome.

The jet pack, all of that. Great character design. Getting the preview in What If and then seeing it brought to life was like, oh, shit. Awesome. That's the way to use What If right there. Like, show us the variants before you bring them in. Black Bolt, someone that Jose told us a little bit about. And this is also the same actor that played Black Bolt in the Inhumans TV show, which is apparently one of the worst things ever created. I haven't seen it.

But he doesn't wear the suit or anything in that show. So it's like kind of a complete rehaul on that. Maria Rambeau as Captain Marvel. Another cool suit designed for her. It was similar to the Captain Marvel suit, but just different color scheme and whatnot. Reed fucking Richards. The space engineer. The aerospace engineer. There he is. Got him. And it's my fucking Richards, the space engineer, the aerospace engineer.

There he is. Got him. And it's my fucking guy, John Krasinski. How long have I been on this podcast saying he's the perfect Reed Richards? And unfortunately, I don't think he's going to be the MCU's Reed Richards going forward. I think we got all of the Krasinski as Reed we got. But I was so happy to see him. I was going, but I couldn't even focus. I was going so bananas. And then before I could fucking think about it, we get the yellow floaty chair coming out with the X-Men theme. Ah! Ah!

I was, and that was my part. Were you and Kev, like, grabbing each other like Joe Rogan when he sees a knockout? I was just like, yes. I just went out like the hardest, most subtle, but real yes. Like, the real ones that know that theme, when they heard out like the hardest, most subtle, but real. Yes. The real ones that know that theme, when they heard that in the movie, I guarantee every single person that liked that show, like the X-Men show, got chills in the theater when they heard that. The yellow floaty chair and everything. I'm also headcanon.

We could ask Waldron about it. Headcanon, that is the Professor X from the cartoon show for me. And I thought about my boy Bob. Again, I'm going back to 1997 when i was watching that show and then i'm meeting my guy bob who was born in 1997 98 98 called that exact thing early too like early really early that was like i said that's my favorite fan theory out there i wasn't like created by me i saw someone write it first but that was my favorite thing i wanted them to stick with that the yellow floaty chair looked awesome having char. Having Charles Xavier, Patrick Stewart back on screen was just fucking awesome.

I know some people were, oh, it's going to take away from his death in Logan. No, it doesn't. Come on. This is the MCU. It's a different thing. Yeah. Again, we have different variants. It's a whole thing.

We didn't realize variants are just a cheat code to being able to do crazy superhero fights where you could kill all of them. And then, like, next year we could still have a Fantastic four movie and act like that never happened it's beautiful and ken jazz asked he said what was the pop like in my theater and the pop was pretty good it was in an almo and it was like it wasn't a packed theater because it was during the day um but it was a pretty good one i think xavier had a little bit of a louder one but i i to this day i still wish that we didn't know he came until i know that i didn't know he came until. I know. I agree. I didn't like the tease of him coming in at all. Could not agree more.

That would have been one of the more stunning moments in the MCU. I wonder if that was, like, going to leak. And they were like, fuck it. Put it in the trailer before it leaks or something. Yeah. But then it's like, but then, like, you have Krasinski. It's like, that's kind of like a number two. I wouldn't, I would either go all or none, but whatever.

And the way he comes in, he, he like faces in and they're like, this is the smartest man in the world, Reed Richards. Oh, I'm chills talking about it right now. It's such a cool moment. I hope they bring him back. I really do. I hope Krasinski comes back, and then I hope Emily Blunt is Invisible Woman. I would love that.

I would love that so much. I would even, I mean, I was going to say I would like to see the other Captain Marvel. I would like to see Captain Carter. I don't think they'll come back after this fight, though. You don't think so? No. I think they were like, we'll throw the fans a bone that wanted to see Krasinski as him so bad because that was obviously such a fan campaign to get him cast in that role.

And then I think it was like, yeah, it was also his way of being like, yeah, sure, I'll sign on to do a big Marvel movie without having to sign on for 10 more years of Fantastic Four movies. So I guess that's a great point. He's going to have to commit because that's going to be a big character in all the things. He looked good in the suit, though, didn't he? He looked awesome in the suit, man. He's fucking Jim Halpert, too.

Seeing the four on screen, it's like, what the fuck? This is like, we thought after Endgame, where can Marvel take us here? It's the Fantastic Four and then the X-Men. That's where it could take us here. And then you're just kind of running it back all the hits with everyone else who's already in the universe. And listen, I know that he's on screen

and we're going to get into what happened to him, but like, Benedict Cumberbatch technically played all these different Doctor Strange variants too, right?

Like, he can be Reed Richards in whatever universe. He's very different as all of them too and he's very good. Like, he's a dark

Doctor Strange variant. The one we see here, the reason why they brought this Doctor Strange, our Doctor Strange before the Illuminati is Supreme Strange. They're like, let's tell him the truth.

We saw that line in the trailer. I was really curious when I heard that line in the trailer. What's the truth? What do we have to tell Doctor Strange about? He did not die fighting Thanos. No, no, no. He got corrupted by the Darkhold and wanted to get powerful to defeat Thanos. They eventually do defeat Thanos.

And we see your guy, the T-Man. I mean, he was like Homer Simpson on a fire hydrant, just absolutely deaded. Oh, it was her. And he's on Titan as well, where it's like, oh, shit, in this universe, the battle just all happened on Titan. He didn't even make it to Earth, and they kill Doctor Strange after the battle to make sure that he doesn't do anything worse than he has already done. Black Bolt kills him, and it's crazy. He hits him with the Shawn michaels on rick flair i'm sorry i love you and just his fucking voice completely destroys decimates supreme strange and we got a tease that later where richard was like he can destroy you with one whisper from his

mouth wanda and she hits him with the what mouth oh man that was i mean we could get right into that as well so that as they're talking to him about all of this, the dreamwalking Wanda comes in, and she's got fucking – I thought it was blood. I think it's the oil from the Ultron bots all over her, which I guess makes it less graphic for NC-17 ratings or whatever. Oh, that's a great point, actually. I wonder if that's why. They were like, that's too much blood. So they were like, you're right. Color it black, and it's oil or something.

And that's also probably the reason why we don't have the tom cruise tony stark that everyone wanted the iron man it's because ultron probably just takes care of business and he can go and retire and be rich and famous you're right about that jeff was saying that today jeff was like that was the only one where i was like tom cruise he jeff wanted tom cruise's iron man but strange tells them like you guys are fucking crazy if you think i'm the biggest threat like i guarantee you wands is the biggest threat they're like that fucking witch no way get if you think I'm the biggest threat. I guarantee you Wanda's the biggest threat. They're like, that fucking witch? No way. Get out of there. She's the biggest threat. Him and

Mordo get into a hand-to-hand fight, which I thought was cool because we got a lot of CGI fights and stuff in Doctor Strange movies. Just having a plain old action fight hand-to-hand was cool. They got the cuffs on. They do creative stuff with that where he puts one of the handcuffs on him. And then Professor X is like, I trust this one. He's like, let's let

this one do it. He's the only one that trusts him. We get the Illuminati fight at this moment where Wanda comes in, gets that moment there. Reed Richards is like, Wanda, he could destroy you with one fucking thing of his mouth. This is, I'm calling it right now, the most brutal moment in the MCU. She goes, what mouth?

We cut to him. He's got no mouth. He's like, his fucking brain explodes through his skull. the MCU. She goes, what mouth? We cut to him. He's got no mouth. He's like, uh-uh. His fucking brain explodes through his skull. You see it come out the side of his helmet. What the fuck? My theater gasped. Everyone gasped. Then Reed Richards goes after him. We see the fucking long arms. It's like, oh shit, those are

superpowers. Turned into spaghetti. Noodles. Right away. Like a paper shredder. Then, who's the next one? Is it Maria Ram rambo comes after him they get into a fight she puts up the best fight by far captain marvel um peggy carter split in fucking half by the shield snoke style yeah that's what it was the fucking shield and then you see her like in the background blurry but like clearly like split in half like holy fuck i saw someone already made a custom funko pop where they like sawed the peggy

carter that they had in half and then they put the shield they put the blood and everything it actually looked pretty good maria rambo is killed by a big statue falling on her where it's like she puts the arm out and then boom it's kind of like a horror movie scene and then our guy professor x holy fuck he sees he goes into his dream sequence kind of thing, using his mind, and they had great effects for that. The waves, did you see the waves coming off his head? I was like, that's like the fucking cartoon. And it's all white. He's in a fucking Steve Jobs

turtleneck, and he sees Wanda trapped under rubble, and he's like, Wanda, if I could pull you out of this. He's like in Wanda's mind right now, I think, I guess. He's like, if I could pull you out of this, maybe she'll stop dreamwalking. Wanda fucking sneaks up behind them, the in Wanda's mind right now. I think I guess if I could pull you out of this, maybe she'll stop dreamwalking. Wanda fucking sneaks up behind them. The witch Wanda snapped his neck and just in real life, like he snaps his neck and he's dead.

Holy fuck. When she did that, it didn't even set in that like she had just killed Professor. I was like, oh my. And I just saw her kill a fucking full Illuminati worth of heroes. She killed the whole and, barely broke a sweat. Captain Marvel was the only one that really, like, had any type of back and forth with her. Captain Carter for maybe a second. I could do this all day.

She did say the line. Oh, my God. The theater went crazy for that. I did, too. You know, that was the cum meme where I'm all over the computer or whatever. That was one of my favorite fight scenes. Honestly, maybe one of my favorite scenes in recent memory in the mcu just because it was so shocking so like holy fuck x-men fantastic four we're

getting the true like multiverse here the the height of the multiverse and then the scene that followed where she's chasing them through the barricades and they're closing every door behind her that felt straight up horror movie to me i I saw people describe this as soft horror. I was like, that's the way to put it. That's a good way to put it. It's not a horror movie, but it's a movie with a ton of horror scenes and horror elements. So we had talked about this, I think, dating back to WandaVision or maybe shit even. And I don't think we had talked about it much in Endgame, but I was looking forward to seeing Wanda as the big villain, the Scarlet Witch, as the big motherfucker that is so powerful

could just fuck shit up. And boy, I'll tell you, I didn't like seeing all these beloved superheroes die on screen, but I love seeing her just go full. That's a way to show her power. Yeah, exactly. Like, that was what Jose was setting us up for. He's like, Wanda should be like the most powerful, like doesn't even fucking care about these superheroes and completely decimates him.

I mean, Professor X, like, yes, this is a guy in a wheelchair and whatnot but he's been shown in the comics time and time again to be with his mind stronger than anybody wanda overpowered that shit he couldn't get in one of his mind fucking wiped him away man and i i first of all i did like the one to mind thing too where it kind of had to throw back to you know where the it's like the rubble of war and everything yeah it was very cool almost like where she was trapped as a kid yeah yeah and but she like which wanted just coming it was a straight up it was horrifying and you felt so bad and you wanted to like hug her but you also wanted to run from her at the same time exactly this wild dynamic she's just like it's it's like you know

it's like that's not fucking you wanda you want to be like the characters like come on come out of this you're corrupted by the dark all your kids aren't real and her line at reed richards too where he's like she's like do you have kids he's like yeah is the mother still alive yeah all right good someone will be around to raise him spaghetti that was cold oh my god yeah so they get through all these doors wanda is uh eventually they they prevent Wanda from dreamwalking, I think, in this moment. Mordo believes that – how do they do that? She slaughters all of the Illuminati members except Mordo while Strange and Chavez escape with help from the Earth 838 Christine. This is the Christine that did confirm Earth 616.

That's the Earth you come from and whatnot. She had red hair. I know you're a huge Rachel McAdams guy. You're a big Rachel McAdams red hair guy. All things Rachel McAdams. And what was it? The Baxter Foundation, right? That was the – and it's the Richards who set it all up.

So we kind of have that as a background. And they set up the Richards. You could get into Kang territory in the future with that as well. Because, yeah, he's like the great-great-great-great-grandson of Reed Richards. I'll tell you, Earth-838 is in a little bit of trouble because they just lost their Illuminati to a fucking Scarlet Witch. Like immediately, yeah. They really couldn't have underestimated her anymore.

All takes exposed all over Earth-838. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck Earth 838 is going to be. We probably won't see them again, but I imagine it to be a nothing but bad shit. The Illuminati kind of sucked. They did. In terms of like, R. Strange is definitely a good guy, and they just thought he was a bad guy. Well, by the end, he does.

Shout out the X-Men. Big Professor X. He's the only dude riding for Strange. As an X-Men guy, I was like, there we go. There's Charles Xavier. What was the line? Oh, he said like, oh, I believe. Oh, fuck.

I wish I got that line correct, but he's like, I believe in change. Just because. Yeah. And that's from Days of Future Past. Yes. And it was like such a good fucking callback where it's like, Waldron, you motherfucker, quoting Fox movies now on in the MCU. It was a great quote.

Just because someone stumbles and loses their path doesn't mean they're lost forever. That's so Professor X. That's so just like you could hear him saying that in the cartoon, and that's the end of the episode, and that's the lesson the kids learn at the end of the day and stuff. Your little PSA for the day. Exactly. Like, oh, so well done.

I can't wait to talk to Waltron about that scene in particular. But they escape to, now they go back to like the space between universes, and he puts in a watch to open the door. Very cool how they did that. And this was the shot from the trailer where you really see, oh my god, here's all the universes, the Book of Ashanti, still going after that. And they get stopped before they get to the Book of Ashanti. It is, as I mentioned before, the antithesis of the Darkhold.

This is the good book. This is the book that Strange gets his hands on it. He becomes the most powerful Sorcerer supreme of all time or whatever. Cannot get that. And it's actually destroyed by Wanda. She appears, destroys it, takes over America Chavez's mind, and uses her powers to send the others to an incursion-destroyed universe, meaning Strange and Christine Palmer.

They get to this universe. It's the one kind of like we saw in What If where it's like black goo. Things are bending together, floating. Yeah get to this universe. It's the one, kind of like we saw in What If, where it's like black goo. Things are bending together, floating. Yeah, the goop. And they're like, fuck, this universe fell in on itself. And they walk to the sanctum. And it's not like Bleeker Street like we know. It's completely desolate, except for the actual building.

He goes in there, and he meets Evil Strange. Did he have a name evil strange uh that he was called different things because he wasn't like i don't think this was the strange from the what if show i think it was just a straight up different one altogether but this is a strange that got his hands on the dark hold was corrupted by the dark hold and it also like took a bit for our strange to realize that he was like wait a minute dark hold what the fuck dude when you walk into this haunted house looking sanctum you gotta know this strange is fucked up and corrupted like yeah there's water coming in and in the lobby and shit like this isn't just like you had a long weekend

strange this is like water like what is the whole thing like if there's broken glass it's usually a sign that there's like crime in the area it's like yeah water in a haunted windows they say yeah yeah bars and windows like fucking there's like lightning inside the area. It's like water in a haunted mansion. Bars on the windows, they say. Yeah, yeah, bars on the windows. There's like lightning inside the house. Of course this guy is fucking corrupted. But he played this strange well, too, where he's creepy coming down the stairs in the shadows. He's got kind of a longer beard.

Reveals that he has been corrupted by the Darkhold and he's defending from the fucking demons or whatever. And then we get this awesome fight scene. This is my, I don't want to say my favorite fight scene in the movie because the Illuminati scene was obviously crazy. But this is, it reminded me of Doctor Strange 1 in the way that he defeats Dormammu by just being unique. And I'm going to, I'd like to bargain with you. And he goes over and over until he annoys him. He basically defeats Dormammu by annoying him.

By annoying him, yes. The fact that they said, how do we do a unique ending to this Doctor Strange movie? And Waldron came up with, he's got to fight himself using musical notes. Oh, my God. I went crazy for that. When they throw the notes and you hear almost like the Dracula type. That was so fucking cool. And even the one note that then goes and hits the big ball of energy magic that they were working with.

I thought this was amazing. Other than the Illuminati scene, this was the main thing. I left the theater and immediately went to Ken Jack in the lobby. I said, the Illuminati scene and that music fight were the two coolest things I've ever seen. How about a boy, Doctor Strange, is getting dumped nonstop, too. Yeah.

Christine just, yeah, he's like, would we work out in this universe? She's like, nah, I couldn't figure it out. So now I don't even get mad at that. Doctor Strange, we're kind of snapping and going to all those things where he says, like, if you ever had a dream where you fall off a building, that was probably me pushing you or something like that. Like, that was a great line. But, yeah, that scene and the Fifth Symphony or whatever, just everything just hit there. And he's kind of said with the music and it hits those weird notes and everything.

And it kind of played in to the rest of the movie. So I was with you. The little musical note flying through the air was fucking awesome. He defeats this strange, throws him out the fucking window, gets stabbed by the fence. Another scene where I'm like, oh my God. I didn't see that. When he was falling, I did not see a fence. More of a gory.

Yeah. Is this the goriest in terms? It's not blood and guts gory, but in terms of the MCU in relation to all the other movies, is this the goriest? I think it is. It has to be, right? The eye in the beginning, all the shit with the Illuminati scene, I mean, just the black bolt scene in general.

I mean, if anyone has one that's worse, tweet at us and I'll definitely crow on it. But again, these movies are famous for kind of hiding the blood and guts. Thanos getting his head chopped off was a holy shit moment. True, that was a good one. But that's it though.

I dropped a Thanos quote on the Canelo broadcast. For anyone that was watching, Dave was saying like, oh, you know, a fight, it's got to be demoralizing when you're beating the shit out of somebody and they just look up at you like you're not even getting me. And I said, in the words of Thanos, all that for a drop of blood. Yeah, my guy Bob. Pretty good shout to the team, man. I'm a Canelo broadcaster. I was probably the only broadcaster to drop Thanos' name that night. And that's why we stink.

So he defeats him and then brings Christine into the house. And he's like, you've got to watch me because I've got an idea and you need to help defend me. I might be attacked by demons. And she's like, excuse me? He's like, no, don't worry about it. Maybe demons attack me. What he needs to do is get his soul, basically dreamwalk, into his own body.

He's like, you could dreamwalk into a body. It doesn't have to be alive. And then you realize, oh, fuck, he's about to dreamwalk into his own body. He's like, you could dreamwalk into a body. It doesn't have to be alive. And then you realize, oh, fuck, he's about to dreamwalk into that zombie that we saw in the trailer. Dreamwalks into him. I think he does use the Darkhold to do this. He is corrupted in that way,

but he's like, it's the only fucking way, like in Endgame, only one way. And he is a zombie. He flies or he teleports to Mount Worga fucking Chirga and Wondegore. Wondegore. And takes control of the demons. They start trying to attack them. Then he realizes he could control them using the dark magic that he's currently using.

And they look crazy with the fucking black skulls. Almost like the – what are they called? The Dementors in Harry Potter? Yes, the Dementors. I just think of that. I think of Prison Mike. Prison Mike Potter. I just think of that. I think of Prison Mike. Prison Mike. Every time I think of that.

And eventually learns to use them as a fucking cape, which is the most metal shit I've ever seen. A zombie using demons as a cape, flies over to the mountain, gets into this fight. He tells, this part was so samurai-y and goofy, when he's just straight up talking to America Chavez.

But he, like, looks like a zombie, but he's talking normally. He's not like, oh, here's what you have to do. He's like, no, here's what you have to do, America Chavez. I'm not going to let you die. He's missing, like, part of his jaw as he's trying to talk to her too. And Wong, we realize when he got yeeted off the cliff, did not die. Thank God. I didn't think he was dead from that.

Like I said, Marvel, you got to see the body. You got to know. Even, like, someone like Maria Rambeau in this movie. I didn't think he was dead from that, because like I said, Marvel, you gotta see the body. You gotta know. Even someone like Maria Rambeau in this movie, I'm like, is she really dead? We saw her arm go down, which generally indicates that, but you didn't see a dead, dead body, so I'm like, I don't know. He is able to come up with the help of our guy Rintra, the Minotaur, new guy,

Rintra the Minotaur, and a couple of the wizards at Karmataj, and he throws up the thing, He pulls down the demons. They go flying after him. And we get this ending sequence on the top of the mountain, which was interesting. It wasn't like a big, massive, crazy CGI fight. It was Wanda having a Kingpin from Into the Spider-Verse moment. Ah, good point.

Right? Where she goes into the different multiverse for the family. But Kingpin's fucking up Spider-Man that movie the family sees it and she like hurts herself and she looks like fucked up she looks a little more like witchy and the kids are just terrified of her absolutely like please don't hurt our mom and she realizes like oh fuck i'm fucking this up like these kids are happy in this universe with the wanda that they have as a mom and the wanda tells her like just know that they will be loved. It's like, oh, that's a damn good scene.

That's a damn good writing by Waldron right there. And Wanda closes the whole fucking thing in on herself. It's like also good writing in that how do you defeat Wanda when she gets that powerful? You can't. She has to defeat herself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she makes the entire tower, the tomb, whatever you want to call it, drop onto herself. People were tweeting me, do you think she's dead?

Do you think she's dead? No. I really would shockingly – I would be so stunned beyond belief if that was the last we saw of Wanda. We just heard that she signed on for like 10 more years and she's getting her own solo movie. She needs her own solo movie. How do you not do her own solo movie at this point? She could get redemption. It's going to take a lot to redeem her, but she could get redemption.

And I think the bigger question is, does she fall and she's no longer Scar the Witch and she could go back to Wanda? Because I kind of still want to have a little evil in her. I kind of like where you could kind of play both sides. You need to unleash that evil in those, you know, you took everything from me moments. Yes, chaotic neutral. Kevin Feige is saying, like, if Thanos didn't rain fire or whatever, she'd defeat Thanos right there. Yeah, exactly.

Like, that's how powerful she is. And like you said, the final battle you used to, you know, one versus the other, they're putting their best hand forward and winning a fight. You can't do that with Wanda. We've seen her.

Wanda and a dead Strange, too. It wasn't even like full strength Strange. Yeah. He's basically like a remoterolling himself from another fucking universe. Yeah, exactly. It's craziness. Yeah, the fact that he was even able to, like, get her to listen to him. But there were some cool things with that other universe with that Wanda where there's, like, the—

I know they said, like, it was, like, Oswald the Rabbit. And then they were, like, watching Snow White and the Seven Dwarves where the person's a witch. There's even the 2003 Detroit tigers were the best team ever and they're the worst team ever in baseball so it's kind of like flipped in that utopia world that they live in but it was cool to see i was also kind of like thrown off it's like that wanda that was there raising the kids who's the like there's no vision right we didn't see vision yeah vision if ultron is made and succeeds visions never created right so who's the daddy bob who's the daddy are you the daddy bob i'm not the daddy you're not the dad i'm not the dad is there is it a we have a

jesus situation where wanda just had an immaculate conception that's a great point i wonder if we're gonna i mean if there's a chance we're gonna go going to go back to Earth 838 and they are completely fucked because they just love a good chunk of their superheroes. That could be a whole movie. Like you send like – you know how Jose was telling us about those like secret wars teams? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You send a secret war into Earth 838 because they're like, we fucked this up. Go correct it and then come back and we'll keep it a secret. That could be a movie in and of itself.

I'm there for that. I want to see a lot more after this movie as well. Every Doctor Strange movie I think should be a team-up. I think he works so well in type of team-up movies, and this one with America Chavez, kind of an other Christine as well, and then the last one we saw him in was with Spider-Man. Even in Thor, Ragnarok, when he goes and visits Doctor Strange,

the way Strange plays off all of these people like team-up movies are what dr strange was made for agree even you could do one of those jose loves the midnight suns bring in ghost rider bring in uh i think the black knight is a part of that all those guys that'd be pretty sick that'd be cool i think there's a chance that could happen based on we saw in the in the mid credits but yeah i i feel like Wanda, does she come out before or after, or does she come out before the Agatha show? Which is still years away.

You think she's just buried for a while? I think Agatha, I think she's buried for a bit. Give Elizabeth Olsen a little break after she does Infinity War, Endgame, WandaVision, and this, back to back to back. And I think you bring her back in one of those moments where Captain Marvel came in in Endgame, where it's like all hope is lost and like, what the back. And I think you bring her back in like one of those moments where Captain Marvel came in in Endgame

where it's like all hope is lost and like what the fuck. But I think Wanda has way more effect than even Captain Marvel at this point. Not only in that we know her more and that like we know how crazy her power could get. Yep. I think that would be. Or you bring her in and if you want to still do the no, comma, more mutants. If you want to do that, it's still up in the air. You can bring the mutants

in like that you know i'm not going to say no to that yeah you know you will sign me you will sign me the fuck up for that and again wong somehow surviving this and wong survives he gets his bow at the end that was such a nice moment got a laugh out of the theater when strange finally bows to him and say he's like it's customary to bow whatever such a good moment i thought strange also by the end of this movie would be sorcercerer Supreme. Wong is still the guy. Yeah. Still that guy. Proud of Wong.

Wong is rumored to be in She-Hulk because Abomination is in that. So they'll connect the Shang-Chi stuff where it's like, oh, he was fighting Abomination in that. Why? So maybe they're keeping him Sorcerer Supreme through that show. Strange will take another movie to get there. I don't know. Strange at the end of this movie is also like, is he by the dark old because he's got that third eye third eye is fucking some shit up the post-credit scene i guess we could just kind of get into um they all

return kind of have a happy ending and then he's in new york and klee the current comics sorcerer supreme or sorceress supreme played by charlie sterron is like strange we gotta go you gotta you know get my back here. Opens the portal, and we see the Dark Dimension. Dark Dimension from Strange 1. And they go into it, and that's it. Klee looked really cool. Had a cool wizard, witch-type outfit on, purple and stuff.

I don't know much about the character. That'll be a Jose. Come on and break shit down for us. But people seem to be very excited about it. Comic fans seem to be very excited about it. Comic fans seem to be very excited about it. Yeah, apparently she's like the Sorcerer Supreme of the Dark Dimension. Of the Dark Dimension, yeah.

And then I think she was like Dormammu's niece or something like that. Oh, she's related. And then her and Strange get a little loving. I think Strange realized he ain't going to get that Rachel McAdams, so he goes Charlize. He's not going to be with Christine, so yeah. You know what?

I'm not going to say upgrade, because let's be honest, Rachel McAdams, you can't really upgrade from that. Gold standard, Bob. But if you're not going to get Rachel McAdams, go with someone that gets the wizard life a little bit. You guys could be like wizarding it up together, having wizard sex. You could talk like – it's like having – I said it like David McCullough. That's odd.

That was just odd. It's like Christine was a doctor they could like speak on the same level it is kind of nice two sorcerers or sorceresses could talk

so that's an honest thing that came from my mind also one thing that's hammered home we didn't get that motherfucker Mephisto Bob

this is the end of that Wanda entire arc right here that we saw with Wanda and not once do we see Mephisto the fucking Darkhold is dead I did find it weird is Wanda. And not once do we see Mephisto. The fucking Darkhold is dead. I did find it weird.

Is that how you redeem her eventually? It's like Mephisto had some kind of hold on her? I don't know. I'm just trying to bring the M-Man in. I just, I can't believe, and I didn't know what the hell the Darkhold was until the season finale of WandaVision. Same. But it does feel kind of weird that it's just destroyed across all universes now. Real quick, it's just gone.

Just with a knife in the middle, too. I thought you would have to hit some kind of crazy spell or some kind of throw it into like Lord of the Rings. Throw it into the fucking volcano or something. The volcano where it was made. Wichita or Wondegore, whatever they fucking call it. I love that you're the guy who can't pronounce. I'm happy that today Bob is the guy. Wondegore.

I keep forgetting that. And the post-post-credits scene like we talked about. Just the pizza pop-up thing. Pizza pop-up thing. So again, it wasn't anything crazy. I did see some of them

that kind of fucked my brain up here. So this was on, I saw Reddit, Stone500. So there's a lot of shit up in the air right now after like this beginning phase of the MCU.

Shang-Chi's rings are acting as a beacon to something. Oh yeah. Right? Forgot about that already. Nick Fury is chilling in space while Skrulls have infiltrated humanity. Loki's fucking things up with Kang and the TVA.

The judgment of Arishem is now looming after the Eternals. Yeah. Right? And then Doctor Strange and Cleonav take care of an incursion going on. And then let's not even forget, it's not necessarily connected to this phase as much, but Falcon and the Winter Soldier, the way that ended, Peggy Carter's niece is up to some shit as well. That's right.

Sus as fuck. She was in Madrigal. What did they call her? The power broker? She was the power broker. Or working for the power broker. Was she the eventual power broker? Yeah, she was the power broker.

That's all that matters, right? She was involved with the power broker. She was involved with the power broker. I tweeted with you. I actually saw you tweet as well. There was that video of the two people at the baseball game

where the guy was clearly like a deep shit and he's explaining something to the girl who wasn't having it and I said, that's Captain America going back to Peggy in Endgame

and explaining like, I've been boning your niece. I get that that's weird, but you know, keep it in the family. Wasn't, wasn't dancing to their little doo-wop

from like 50s. I was thinking about that when he goes back, like eventually the niece is going to get born. And he's just going to be like. You have to hold it for the first time. And you're like, yeah, this is weird. Yeah. I would have loved it.

Yeah. I loved the babies. Yeah. It's a strange situation for our guy cap. My guy cap. I'm not going to do anything different. I'm not going to change his time at all. Except I'm going to make sure that that baby isn't born.

Because I'll make sure the parents never meet each other. Like the whole month that the baby would be conceived, he's like, why don't we go out all night? Let's drink all night. Let's go to a ball game. Just having all random ideas. Dr. Strange, do we want to do a fast food review for Dr. Strange? Yeah, we'll do a fast food review.

You got one? I got one. So, again, going into this movie, I thought that there was a chance that this was going to become, again, the next, another endgame, because you're dealing with the multiverse of madness. It was the first time we had heard of multiverse, obviously, the way

everything kind of changed with the timeline due to COVID and everything. We got Spider-Man, we kind of got our heads around it, we had fucking What If. So, it wasn't what I thought it would be, but going in, I thought it could be. Thank God my guy Bob told me it was not going to be the case. Self-contained. I'm going to say

it is an In-N-Out burger. I know this is going to be a crazy, what's the word? Divisive stance here, but this is how I feel about In-N-Out burger. It's good. I think Nick actually said this recently on the dog walk.

In-N-Out Burger is good. But when you're told it's the greatest thing you're ever going to taste and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, that's the first time I had an In-N-Out Burger. I went in with these high expectations, and it didn't meet them. But it's not trash either. It's a good movie. This is a good movie. It's self-contained.

It's not completely life-changing, but it definitely is good. And it was actually quicker than I expected too, like In-N-Out, where you go In-N-Out, two hours, six minutes. It was an absolute dream. It only took one pee break. So In-N-Out burger. That's a good one. I also have one. It was something that I mentioned last week on the show when talking about Moon Knight.

I said this was a good thing. I'm going with the Chicken Shack from Shake Shack. Now, my reasoning behind that, I think it's a really good, really, really good sandwich, and I get it every time I go to Shake Shack, but it's not the greatest chicken sandwich I've ever had. That would be the Popeyes in terms of fast food and stuff, and it's something different. Like, Doctor Strange is a little different from the MCU. Chicken Shack is a little different from everything else on the Shake Shack menu because they got a trillion burgers, and then they got, like, one chicken sandwich, and it's different. I like it. I go for it every time.

This is a movie that I could definitely see myself rewatching. like the second it hits disney plus i will have this i could see myself going back to the theater honestly if i have like a boring day or something i also want to go to the theater and see a little side tangent the uh massive weight of unbearable talent the nicholas cage pedro pascal movie yeah caleb i talked to in vegas said it was his favorite movie theater experience he's uh had in years and he went to see it twice in theaters because he loved it so much. Caleb was like, it was an absolutely phenomenal 100 out of 100 movie. I mean, if Caleb Presley's brain signs off on it, I think it has to. And I feel like Caleb isn't the guy to, like, make those recommendations, go out of his way to tell people, like, you've got to see this.

Like, you don't hear that? Caleb's more of a smooth sailor. He's like, just go with the flow kind of guy. Which that also played into this whole weekend. We went to Men's Warehouse. Me and Caleb and Rowan all got rental tuxes for the fight. And I went to try my suit on. And I heard from the outside, as in trying my pants on,

Caleb goes, no, I'm not trying mine on. I trust you guys with my life. I know those measurements are right. And he's so over the top and funny about it. He comes out of dressing room night of the fight. His suit was 10 sizes too big. It looked like one of those joke suits that he wears. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like for his videos. He's like, what the fuck is this? He's like, this is clown mode right now. I look like a clown. He put his vest on. You know, a vest usually had the strap in the back to make it tighter. No strap in the back at all. So he's just swimming in all of his clothes.

He eventually puts on Vans just like me too because he just wanted to be comfortable comfortable our shoes were not on the broadcast and he's walking around in vans full tux with a red bow tie and he's like i look like i'm taking tickets at the fucking movies that's amazing if only caleb could do something like that what a wild and he pulled it off dude you know caleb's one of those cool guys where like nobody even noticed on the broadcast but yeah so goddamn cool you can pull it off so too. You know, Caleb's one of those cool guys where nobody even noticed on the broadcast. But, yeah. So goddamn cool he could pull it off. So goddamn cool. So there you go.

It was a chicken shack from me. Yep. And from you. In-N-Out Burger. In-N-Out Burger. And with all this, incursions mean secret wars, apparently. Yeah. So, like, keep an eye out for that.

Again, we're saying. I wonder how far away that is. And I wonder if the Russo brothers are feeling enough time away where we could maybe get them back for that. Because, like, listen, I love Waldron. I love all the Marvel guys. I love Feige. I want the Russo brothers back eventually. You bring the closer into closer games.

You bring the closer in. Exactly. Bring in Mo Rivera when you want to put it up on the W. Those are the guys I would go for. Even Fantastic Four we were talking about on Lights, Camera, Barstool. Jonathan Watts stepped down from directing it. He said he wants to take a break from superhero movies for a bit, these big budget movies, which I understand after doing back-to-back-to-back Spider-Man movies, how fast he did them.

I said Brad Bird would be my first pick, who did one of the Mission Impossible movies, more famously did The Incredibles. I said, you do The Incredibles, you know how to make a Fantastic Four movie. You know how to make that family work. If not for them, imagine they got the Russo's for that. You bring those new characters in with the Russo's. That's like, they sell tickets in and of themselves right now.

You put the Russo brothers on a poster. That's a billion dollars. I went and saw that Bridges movie just because the Russo brothers produced it. It wasn't even that good. Rest in peace Chadwick Boseman, but yeah. Oh, that's right. Boseman was in that too. That was our Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

recap. I like that it's in the multiverse. I think we mentioned that in the past too. Not and the multiverse. It's like he's fucking... It feels more of a comic-y title to call it that. Yes, agreed. That title also might have fucked them in a bit because I feel like that title people thought we're getting every cameo that's ever been in Marvel.

And it's like, no, no, you're getting a Doctor Strange movie. This is a Doctor Strange sequel. Also, like you said, it's $450 million or whatever. I saw opening weekend of the first one did about $85 million. Opening weekend of this one I think did $185 million. Jeez. I mean, you think there's superhero fatigue. You think this stuff is slowing down.

We ain't slowing down. Printing money. Kevin Feige is going to keep going. He just went on that retreat with the board. Hand up. Thank you. Hand up. Thank you.

It was a real board, which I couldn't believe. It said Kevin Feige goes to retreat with board. I was like, that's got to mean board of directors. No, he brought a board, a whiteboard, of course, as we've talked about on this podcast. That's the goal. Eventually talk to Feige and just be like, you got to shoot it straight. Confirm the whiteboard. course as we've talked about on this podcast that's the goal eventually talk to feige and just be like you got you got to shoot it straight confirm the whiteboard we're going like again we have our interview with waldron check it check it out when it comes out subscribe subscribe so you get it first i think we're we're interviewing him wednesday afternoon so like i'm gonna edit

that i'll get it up as quick as we possibly can yep perfect so we're gonna get this the board exists now like the board is the it's Chekhov's board. It's confirmed existing. Now we've just got to wrap around and get it. So in the comments, leave your review. Yep. And then you have a hashtag? Hashtag.

Hmm. I'm trying to think of something that doesn't spoil anything either in case. Hashtag confirm the board. Confirm. Aaron, that's too many That's a lot of characters To leave people with Hashtag

Oh actually we didn't even talk about Strange with the three eyes Oh yeah You like touched on it That means he's corrupted Do we think Strange is gonna Potentially go I think he'll be

Not bad But I think he'll definitely Have a little dirt in his He's like Not just a baby face anymore. He's like a cleaner. I think it would be cool. And even the score they played when he got corrupted was like a little electric guitar. It was like Wonder Woman theme type thing.

I don't know if you saw Wonder Woman in the movie. I saw the first one. Okay. Her theme is like that cool electric guitar. They used that a couple times in the movie, and I was like, oh, fuck. This is cool. It just reminded me a little bit of that. Hashtag.

What can we hashtag? Hashtag third eye basement. Yeah. Third eye basement. I like that. A little third eye blind shot. All right. Thank you to everyone who tuned in for this multiverse of madness recap.

We will be back later this week with the writer himself, Michael Waldron.