My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 246 - 'BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER' REVIEW WITH CLEM

Episode Date: November 16, 2022

Robbie and Clem review 'Black Panther: Wakanda Forever' - which serves as both the emotional sequel to one of Marvel's most iconic movies and a tribute to the late Chadwick Boseman. 3Chi: Use code BARSTOOL10 at checkout to receive 10% off at 3Chi.com Gametime: Download the app and use promo code BASEMENT for $20 off your first purchase! Morgan & Morgan: Injured? Visit ForThePeople.com/BASEMENT to see if you have a case. It's NO cost to you. That's ForThePeople.com/BASEMENT **************************************** Subscribe to My Mom's Basement on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIeZ96PqdsJYQ7DFLRx6MHw My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement, presented by Barstool Sports and 3C. I am your host, Robbie Fox. With me is my co-host, Clem. And today, we are here to talk about Black Panther, Wakanda Forever. I know people have been asking for this review. We're a couple days late on it. I'm traveling. I'm in a hotel room, if you can't notice. I'm down in Coconut Creek, Florida, filming some content with the Professional Fighters League and Kayla Harrison, so look out for that. But this movie I saw on release day, this movie I loved. This was a packed theater. This felt like a true Marvel opening night for me. The theater was clapping at moments, theater all laughing together.

You could hear the sniffles and some emotional moments. And this felt top tier Marvel to me. I don't know if it's a top, you know, I'm not ranking it or anything like that. It just felt a lot of people were saying back to the Marvel we know and love. I'm a guy who's pretty much loved phase four. I've been very, very open about how

I've liked a lot of the projects, but this did feel a level above a lot of that stuff did you feel the same way clem yeah let's call phase four what it is it's introduced a lot of new things a lot of like not just new characters but new ideas where we're delving more into magic and we're getting into a lot of just shit that isn't in the mcu and there's new characters. There's kind of side characters. Bit characters. We did the werewolf by night. You know introduction. So it's been very uneven.

And there's been big movies as well. But it's just been. It's been different. And then to have this kind of as. A quote unquote. Marvel big time Marvel movie. Where the guy who was about, who was the fucking, I think going to be the centerpiece of like these next few phases happened to die. It kind of just

fucked everything up, man. Right. And it's like, we've talked about how post end game, the pandemic kind of threw stuff into flux. Cause I really, it would have been pretty fucking sweet if we could have just been like, all right, end game just happened. We have to kind of hit the reset button and there's going to be a lot of shit coming. And then, you know, pandemic just changed the whole fucking world. And then obviously Chadwick Boseman dying. I think it was going to be him and Doctor Strange. I feel like we're going to kind of be going to be the two guys who are going to carry this.

Right. Because I obviously R.I.P. my dog, Tony Stark. Captain America's old ass is on the moon right now. Chris Hemsworth is too fucking rich. I don't think Thor is ever going to be that guy. And then I do think it was going to be Chadwick and I think it was going to be Dr. Strange. We're going to be the two dudes. And obviously that didn't happen. So it was a different movie. It was definitely very weird. But because you're just dealing with an actor who died a star actor the main character of the franchise exactly it's like me and uh devlin were talking about it

in regards to the rise of skywalker and how carrie fisher's death put such a kind of right you know unfortunately strange tone on that movie the way that they used her it could have probably been done better and it could have been done better obviously because they did it better in black panther wakanda forever with the main character passing away it wasn't you know princess leia was a side character but as soon as i saw this and especially the way the movie opened spoilers and everything for black panther wakanda forever the way it opens i thought immediately like oh wow this is the way that they should have opened the rise of skywalker Like you kind of make it a movie about grieving, making it meta in a way.

There's a lot of moments in this movie where they say he suffered in silence and he passed away peacefully and all of that. That felt real. You know, when Sherry's running up to the casket during the funeral and crying on it. Oh, my God, that felt too real. That was like it hurt to watch, but they handled it so well. And this movie truly felt like a tribute to him. And at the same time, it felt like a worthy sequel to Black Panther.

Didn't feel so different in a way. Like I felt like Shuri stepped up into that leading character role well, and it felt in a weird way natural to me. Like I understand it would have been a much different movie with him, but I think a lot of the same story beats would have happened with Namor

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for 10% off your order. Yeah. I i read somewhere i heard somewhere that you know ryan coogler obviously had a basically got the script once uh once shot would pass which makes perfect sense because he is the fucking black panther the movie about black panther i think it's like what am i gonna do am i gonna have a new black panther i'm happy they didn't go with the uh what did they do the um war machine route right or yes and there was a big movement for that there still is like i don't know if you see it trending on twitter sometimes like hashtag recast t'challa is like a big almost a snyder cut-esque movement i would say i'm really not down with that like i certain characters i think you can recast certain characters you can't

chadwick is one of those that he specifically meant so much to people as that character i think you can recast certain characters you can't chadwick is one of those that he specifically meant so much to people as that character i think the way that they kind of resolve it by the end of the movie was brilliant i'm like okay there's black panther in 10 years you know yes and like you said chadwick is he's i was trying to think it's like who is more their character than chadwick Boseman in the MCU. And I think you could make a case like Robert Downey Jr. was Tony Stark because he was like the whole fucking MCU. He's the one who got it all going. But just in terms of everyone under the Disney umbrella, like I mean, you can't even say like Tom Holland because there were all these Spider-Men before him.

And, you know, a lot of people grew up with Tobey Maguire as their Spider-Man. So it's like, and Chadwick was just that dude. And he seemed like such a good guy. And you heard the stories about him. And like you said, a lot of the funeral scene stuff and a lot of the stuff, like it felt a little extra sad and real when you're like, they're probably drawing from like their experiences with the guy and brought it out. So it fucking, like it did hurt the marvel uh graphic in the beginning where it's just all chadwick and i was like oh god damn it

guys it's like dude you want to talk about sounds it was all you heard was people crunching on their popcorn when that came up like there wasn't a fucking sound to be heard other than people eating and drinking because it was like fuck man it was a pin drop kind of stuff so that was one of the best marvel intros they ever did like the silence specifically over it the tribute aspect of it was great it was so silent in my theater you heard a couple sniffles and then at the end of it as soon as it was over the theater like erupted in applause yeah we had we had a slow clap and like not like a legitimate slow clap getting fired up but like one person did it then like four people did it then 10 people did it,

which doesn't happen often with the Marvel movies that are like individual character movies. I think your good Avengers movies will get something like that, but it did feel like it was bigger than just the MCU because you had such a, like a good dude dying. And I I'm with you. I don't, I don't think they should have recast a child personally. Cause it just, it would have been unfair. It's like replacing Derek Jeter with the Yankees.

The way the Yankees did it, it's crazy. They got Jeter. Making him wear number two. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't work. Yeah, it's like, oh, it's just going to be the new Derek Jeter. You can even call him Derek Jeter. It's like, no, no, no.

Let's just go a completely different way here. There's so many different ways you can go about it. Why would you go that way? And even the disease angle, I thought that was smart. And I was sold on it because it happened in real life to this fucking guy. And it's fucking unfortunate. It's sad. I imagine everyone's feeling the same emotions you saw on the screen there.

So and the way Ryan Coogler tied everything around, like we can get right into it. The movie opens with T'Challa dying. We don't see him. We just see that Shuri is in a panic trying to assemble something to save his life and they're like his heart rate is dropping we find out that what she's trying to make is the heart-shaped herb that killmonger destroyed in the last movie she's trying to make an artificial one so to link it all up with like maybe this could have saved him and since killmonger burnt it down now she's so vengeful and she has to overcome that in this whole movie overcome the vengeance and just kind

of be at peace with the whole thing that was so brilliant that you're like that those are the moments where i say it felt natural in that like that was such a smart plot line that you can't believe it came from a place of shock and unexpectedness yeah and you know how it ends you're just like all right let's get this shit done let's fucking yeah and they get it out of the way right away they do the funeral beautiful cinematography like the dance scenes everyone's in all white you didn't see anyone from the marvel universe other than like wakandans which some people were complaining about. I could see that with Wakanda, them doing a very family oriented funeral and ceremony and everything like that.

The painting of him was like another thing that it chokes you up because that exists in real life. You know, like there are those paintings of Chadwick. So it's like, fuck, that's tough. It must have been the toughest scene to film. I wonder if they got that out of the way first. That's a good, that's a good point. And I would feel like you have to also add like the whole geopolitical side of it, which obviously comes up pretty quickly afterwards. But it's like when a king is dead and a kingdom like that is already kind of vulnerable in

their own right. It's not an easy thing. And they kind of be like from an untold illness and there's rumors of him passing away. And it's not just like he's dead and, you know, everyone come to Wakanda to pay your respects. It's still kind of this,

like, I don't want to say forbidden kingdom, but there is definitely a difference with the outside world. And as you see, you find out why, because of the vibranium and all that shit. So it is kind of this uneasiness about it all that I do think like that would 100 play a role in uh in like if it happened in real life which again talking about the mcu real life it's very hard to i also heard that there was a

scott lang's books reference somewhere in uh like one of the someone did say that yeah in the little mini scroll there was like for the news or whatever. So they go one year later right away. Wakanda is under pressure. And I'm reading along from the Wikipedia if you want to follow along for my plot lines. Wakanda is under pressure from other nations to share their vibranium. And some parties are even trying to take it by force. Like we see a couple soldiers come in and the door malajay shuts them down right away the

one has like the two spears instead of the one giant spear she gets some shit for it and in this scene angela bassett kind of for the first time in the movie puts her foot down and is like oh i'll take over and and do the a-list acting and do the people are saying oscar worthy shit because oh my god she was great in this movie the entire movie every scene with her she really knocked it out of the park and i feel like probably people were knowing that this is a tribute to chadwick and people are going to view it that way people are probably like on their a-game every day on set like i better make the most out of this yeah i feel like you that's definitely like the acting profession it's like pick up the guy that's not here he would have done it for us especially a dude like him who

again from all accounts was just like a fucking just like the light to be around so it definitely felt like everyone raised their game up and angela bassett i've heard that too i think he deserves like some i don't know i agree like everyone's hyping up angela bassett she deserves it for this role incredible like so so good her monologues and everything but when i left this movie i was like oh my i was more blown away with shuri uh which is uh i think her name is latita right in real life i was i was blown away by her scene at the funeral the way she displays the emotion at the end of the movie on the beach all of of that. Like I was like, holy shit, she really stepped it up in this. And she was like great in the first movie.

I think when we broke it down, we were like, she was one of the highlights. She was an all time Marvel side character. That's now a leading woman. Well, I think, I don't know if we said it, if it was after Chadwick passed or if it was just trying to connect the dots to the future. It's like, how would she be as a superhero? I think we might've said maybe she's the next Iron Man, right? I think that's what it was.

We were trying to figure out who was going to replace Tony Stark. And I said, I could see her doing that because she clearly has the brains for it. It plays it off and you never know how they're going to be as a superhero. And I didn't see this movie with Sienna. Oddly enough, she just didn't want to go. She was like, no, I'm good.

It was her birthday weekend. She had a lot of stuff going on. We had sports and stuff, which by the way kids at sports it was like watching yak basketball but with like a bunch of third graders trying to actually play well it was an absolute disaster um so but she didn't see it and then after i saw this with her i was like sienna i really think you should see and she goes are there a lot of girls in it because that's always kind of her thing um she always wants to have like these girls superheroes. And I was like, buddy,

that's all there are basically in this goddamn movie. And she plays. The only dude is, is, I mean, other than Mbaku is our frigging Martin Freeman, like CIA agent who's driving around, you know,

like. And he's like kind of a goofy bastard. So, but she, I, she plays off the black Panther. She'll, I don't think she's going to be any more than maybe a couple of movies worth of Black Panther.

She might get another Black Panther movie, but she'll probably be the Black Panther for like Secret Wars and stuff like that. Yeah. I think she's a perfectly acceptable. I don't think they're leading off a portal scene with her because that's the thing about Chadwick. That's how you know Chadwick was going to be so fucking important. That's the first dude you see during the scene that just gave me goosebumps talking about it right now. That's how important this guy was going to be for the foreseeable future. I think they're going to probably move the Black Panther back a little.

I think it was very important. The first movie was very important. I just don't think she'll be the leader, but I think she's perfectly fine. When you close your eyes and see her as Black Panther, there's nothing that she doesn't like stick out in a bad way in any way right no no and then at the end of the movie they took so long to get there that it felt earned to me like when she eventually put the suit on it was like fuck yeah like fucking you take the artificial shit and whatever like i was really rooting for her at the end yeah that's the thing she may not have the traditional customs or like

the fighting the way that t'challa earns it which by the way i think i'm not backing down from what i said i still think killmonger would have been awesome fucking uh i still think killmonger would have been awesome as the king and i stand by that through this all in black panther i was i was a killmonger guy i'm not gonna back down because the unfortunate stuff that happened with chadwick it's also why i said they shouldn't have killed killmonger i also think killmonger guy. I'm not going to back down because of the unfortunate stuff that happened with Chadwick. It's also why I said they shouldn't have killed Killmonger. I also think Killmonger somehow coming back, they're able to kind of like put their differences inside and see he did kind of the right thing. It's not like he's fucking Scar from Lion King and just burned the kingdom down and killed the king on purpose. He won a fight against the King Ferris Square.

He killed some people in the process. Some people. You have to crack a promise and make an egg. You need to kill a copule to make a black panther what's the goddamn big deal but like and we'll get to him but the fact that killmonger was i think they know that they did the wrong thing and we've been asking marvel this entire phase like stop killing all your bad guys you could have them darth vader out at the end of a new hope and kind of just have them spin out and have them keep going. That being said, if it can't be Killmonger, I'm very happy with Shuri, and I think she did a good job.

And during that mercenary scene, there was just some like badass, like just kick assery right there. And the whole the scene where it's like they lose the vitals on the first guy. And then you're just like, shit oh shit and i didn't know i thought we were gonna get some more like a jump scare or a big um like dinosaur looking like sea dragon or something because at this point i have no idea what to expect from under the water so it was it had a hard movie too yes like visibly pretty dark like in a in the game of thrones way almost not in like a i can't see shit, but just a lot of scenes I was like, what are we looking at here?

But beautifully shot movie, especially when they go underwater. Sure, he sees the whole city. When it comes to Killmonger, I go so back and forth. On one hand, I think he might have the best death in the MCU. Like that line he goes out on is so great. On the other hand, I do agree that the door was open for them to bring him back in

this movie he gets thrown into the sea which is kind of like where chadwick got thrown into and then they you know save him and black panther and then in this movie we're dealing with the sea so i did sort of think like gets thrown into the sea namor has some kind of technology underground that resurrects him and now he's come coming back for revenge or he sees the fault in his ways after that conversation the way they brought him back though i also really popped for in the theater and i was like oh that's fucking brilliant because i didn't see it coming i thought we were going to get him in a flashback or something i was like how do you not bring him back especially after everything that happened just for one scene, at least.

I wonder if Ryan Coogler could have called Michael B. Jordan and was like, do you want to come back and we'll do a full fledged thing? And he was like, I got Creed. I got this. I got that. And he was like, all right,

we'll do one scene. Or if it was just like, that's truly how he wanted to go about it. That's as a Michael B. Jordan fan, I'm just bummed. He can't come back in the mcu now like you can't just have him you can't go from human torch to captain america like i did with chris evans what's up behind the time because it's a completely different universe we're living in now

i'm just bummed that he got it he crushed it and then he's gone i i do understand people be like it seems like a real crazy thing if you just had Killmonger coming out of the water being like, I'm back, motherfuckers. Give me the suit. But I don't know, man. I just love Michael B. Jordan. I'm just a Michael B. Jordan fan. What can I say? He's out of the MCU.

He's out of the MCU now. So he cast Kang in his Creed movie so he could kick Kang's ass before anyone in the MCU does. I appreciate that. I do appreciate that about him. That's very smart. So Queen Ramonda implores Shuri to continue her research on the heart-shaped herb. She wants to create a new Black Panther that can defend Wakanda. And she's like, no, that's just like a figure of the past. She's not down with it. And then this is where we see the CIA and the U.S. Navy kind of

trying to look for vibranium underwater. They're in those astronaut suits. The one gets disconnected, loses vitals. Lake Bell is actually in this, who has another role in the MCU. She is Black Widow in What If? She does the voice. So that was a nice little nod. And he gets disconnected, and then the expedition is attacked. And this is such a cool scene visually,

when you see all of the little heads pop out of the water. And it's like, oh, fuck, there's a lot of people in the water. They all start climbing up on the ship. And then they play that sound, which starts making people walk off the ship and jump off to their own death or whatever. Very weird, but very cool. Like a unique, almost annihilation type thing. I don't know if you saw that movie that was a like a cool sci-fi movie but but very very unique then i don't know if this

is just my simple brain connecting two things that are the same but it did give me vibes of captain america winter soldier in the beginning when they're on a big ship like this at night and there's kind of like a run-through attack captain america fights george saint pierre and everything um this was honestly one of my favorite scenes in the movie seeing namor for the first And there's kind of like a run through attack. Captain America fights George St. Pierre and everything. This was honestly one of my favorite scenes in the movie. Seeing Namor for the first time jumping up, throwing spears at helicopters and shit, like throwing helicopters down. I was like, all right, badass. Yeah, I was I don't know enough about Namor or Namor to really know what I was getting into with him other than what Jose told us in the past. and then i saw his shit i was like oh okay this guy can fuck some shit up here and i'm like please

don't kill this guy too that that was my biggest thing as soon as i saw he was pretty fucking cool uh the sounds they make that cause the people to jump off the side of the boat i was like that is such a i just loved it as like a cool i love the different like you're not just using typical weapons or they have lasers or they have spears or they have something it's just something different like that where they have to put earplugs in their ears um i'm still not sure how he stopped the helicopter because it's going and then like it's like and i'm thinking the name i thought no more had like grabbed it or something oh okay because he has the the wings on his ankles which by the way impressive that those didn't look stupid yes how do you do that without making them because they

didn't they looked pretty normal and like the way he was like fucking jumping throughout the air i was like this guy's like sidestepping in the air it looked cool that was the most impressive thing of the entire movie forget about likes flawlessly going from the passing of the lead actor it was making wings on feet not look completely fucking lame they still looked a little weird but i think when sherry rips one off i was like oh brutal that's his that's his wing feet man what is wrong with you sherry yeah i'm with you on that by the way that was the like logo of my middle school growing up it was like a shoe with a wing on it. Lame.

We used to do track meets for elementary school. We were the three elementary schools. And I think our elementary school had the little wing foot, which I had as the Joe Judge. We had a Joe Judge Laps Club shirt. And that's a sweet logo. It's a sweet fucking logo. Maybe not for a school. I didn't

like it like growing up i was like give us a fucking bird or something and then i went to high school we had a bird and i was like all right sick it was basically the cardinals logo my high school i i kind of want to make like a namur shirt right here we have the little wing foot and then like uh something else you know maybe the shark i thought the shark tooth in the throat the shark jaw in the throne room was pretty fucking sweet. Oh, that was awesome. When he just like descends down and sits on it. Everything they shot, was it Talakon, I believe?

Everything they shot underwater, I was like, all right, Ryan Coogler fucking nailed that just like he nailed Wakanda. Like that felt like a world that existed that we just went down to and visited. Yeah, it was, i didn't know that that was the thing i wasn't sure how they were going to nail that because i thought it's atlantis or at least i guess it's atlantis in the books but it wasn't atlantis here because they were like

atlantis i saw him saying they were like aquaman kind of just came out and they were like we kind of used that to be like let's fucking do some different stuff. He did say that Chadwick from the beginning was like, let's make name more like representative of indigenous people or, you know, what he's representative, make the Aztec culture part of his whole character. So they did change some things up like that. Who said he said that?

Who said he said that? Was that Ryan? Ryan Coogler? Yeah. It's a dirty thing. I can't criticize it. It's's a good idea it is a very good idea my channel but even if i didn't like it i couldn't criticize it true that that was uh i i wanted atlantis but i guess so i guess atlantis is off the deal that's fine we were kind of hyped up about atlantis if you remember going back to endgame once the earthquakes and stuff like that. So I was really interested to see, again.

Which I guess probably is this, right? It has to be, right? Yeah. It has to, but I don't think they're going to ever reference it. A weird thing that they didn't reference, though. Let's bring this up. Jake Bass. Shout out to producer Jake Bass at Barstool for bringing this up with me. How did they not reference the fucking big celestial hand

coming out of the ocean in this movie? Thank you. Nobody read, like, dude, it's in out of the ocean in this movie? Thank you. Nobody read. Like, dude, it's in the ocean. This is the movie to reference it. It's like, did you assholes do that? No, no, we didn't do it. Did you guys do that?

No, no, we didn't do it either. Listen, just give us that at least. Yeah. A little confusion over it. All right. Phase five is coming up, right? Is that the number we're on right now? Phase five.

We need some fucking internal shit just to be acknowledged. For those of us that watched it, please call Waldron. Address it, Waldron. That son of a bitch DM'd me after the Mets collapsed against the Braves, or if you want to call it a collapse, after the Braves beat them in that series, he's like, hey man, it's a tough

one. He was actually very gracious. Which is almost worse. Yes, exactly. When it's almost worse yes exactly that nice you're like this fucking guy's too nice i think he might have bet on the mets at some point too because he likes to gamble here there so it's like god damn it you're so goddamn cool walter so yeah have him just be like yeah why the fuck is no one talking about all the crazy shit that's going down in the eternals right now please do that good call jake that's crazy all right so we see that wakanda is kind of being blamed for the vibranium race.

And Namor goes over to Wakanda and he says, listen, you either deliver me the scientist responsible for the vibranium detecting machine or I'm going to attack Wakanda. And the way he goes about it, I'm not a big villain guy, but he had me sold. Like, I wouldn't call him a villain in this movie. I saw people saying he's more of an't call him a villain in this movie he's i saw people saying he's more of an antagonist than a villain i agree like he's yes he's in the way of wakanda but everything he says kind of makes sense you could rationalize uh that was my notes i love the gray area of him i love all my villains have a little bit of gray area even the big purple guy had a little bit of you know logic to his reasoning that turned some of us on his side before the billions, trillions.

I don't even know if there's a number that high of the amount of people that beings that he ended up killing. You would guess trillions. Yeah. If not more. If not more. Yeah. We're talking the universe. Billions.

Yeah. Shout out Dana. A trillion billions. So I love them more. It's funny because my kids got a Happy Meal, and it was the Wakanda Forever Happy Meal that day, and AJ got no more, and he's like, is this guy a good guy or a bad guy? I was like, hmm, well, buddy, let me try to explain this one to you.

It depends where you stand politically. Yeah, from a certain point of view. Yeah, exactly. So I'm happy my guy Bob Fox, who was I mean, our first my mom's basement. You were cap. You were just it was black or white. And that gray we've seen that gray come out from the boy right here. He's growing up right in front of our eyes, everybody. I'm really proud of my guy here.

Also, by the way, the when they're at the U.N. or whatever that thing is, the U.N. OK, I think it's the U.N. It's the U. okay i think it's the un it's the un in switzerland yeah it's in switzerland so i'm like is that just in the mcu it's in switzerland or they're different un because i feel like there should only be one un and i know it's in new york city i've seen it i used to live right by it there's a great chinese food place right by it did you ever go to that chinese food place it was like a buffet i don't know the name of it i used to order from a place called a maze when I lived over there. No,

it was not a maze. I don't know if it's still open, but I don't, I, this will be a very long conversation. Me and Bob will have offline. If it's still open, if anyone wants to know this Chinese food place,

hit me up after the episode's over and I'll let you know. I will do some deep diving research. Cause I love, there was my favorite place in the city for Chinese. But I was like, fuck, is this fucking Switzerland? Or is there, I'm going to look it up right now live in the podcast. Switzerland

United Nations. I loved that scene too when she brings in the, like, here are the people that attacked us. Here they are for you. That was like badass. I just loved it. It was like, we didn't kill them. This is how we do we are

a good people we don't want to be attacked but next time you keep this going you're getting like body parts shipped back you're not getting everything all in one and that motherfucker those french motherfuckers yeah they're like uh okay it was straight up france like we could just admit it was i don't know if they ended up speaking french but i remember when they're going around the room and it, there's a line from the Scorpio episode where he's like, Hey Homer, like pick one country to like new. I forgot what he says, but he's like, well, pick one country, Italy or France. He's like, Italy is.

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learn from okoye okoye so yeah i'm so bad at names. I was saying in the gym to them, I was like, that's my worst fault with fighters, is I could watch a thousand fights of the exact same fighter and not know how to say his name. Well, you say, who's the name you say wrong? Oh, Qui-Gon? Yes, Qui-Gon. I've seen the Phantom Menace more times than I've seen the back of my own hand. You know, like Qui-Gon, I said. I don't know where that came from.

The only reason I know what to say, Okoye is because there was a NFL running back, which this is a little homework for the casual sportsman out there. Google YouTube, Christian Okoye from the Kansas city chiefs, just a dude who used to just run people over and his nickname, Bob, the Nigerian nightmare.

How good of a fucking nickname that's kamara uzman's nickname he's he well he borrowed it from our boy question akoye so and kamara uzman is in this movie how about that yeah he has a little he has a little role in this movie where he just walks in i think it's this scene right before um the queen kind of like dresses down akoye where she's like yelling at her you changed on my son when killmonger took over and everything you supported that he's like one of the like security escorts in that scene and then they cut to him at the end when everyone's like dancing on the cliff again which i loved seeing that cliff again that was like yeah a nice flashback to black panther

and they showed it at ufc 281 they it on the big screen, like his two scenes. And he was sitting next to, I think it was Lupita Nyong'o. I didn't get a good look at them, but I'm pretty sure it was her. So I thought that was cool. I'm going to demand that our MCU scene, whenever that beautiful bastard Waldron gets us into a movie down the road, I want it being played before. It's going to be like my entrance music.

Instead of Edwin Diaz and the trumpets, it's just going to be me holding up an iPad with our scene. I being played before. It's going to be like my entrance music instead of Edwin Diaz and the trumpets. It's just going to be me holding up an iPad with our scene. I don't know where it's going to be. What character are we playing? Just some, I thought you were going to say, I demand that we're Wakandans. Okay.

It's going to be like, I don't know if we can make that demand. Can we do it, Bob? Can we do it? Can we say the WF word now? Oh, Wakanda forever. Wakanda forever wakanda forever we could do it

we could do it all right people are gonna screen cap that and they're gonna be like look at these two white boys the basement boys get canceled for saying wakanda forever which for the people that didn't watch our she-hulk recaps which do exist on youtube for the people that miss them um we did debate for a while whether or not you could say wakanda forever because of that one nerdy dude who says it who he just says it's like such a he almost ruins it for the rest of us yes the rest of us oh jeez all right moving on moving on moving on uh so they learned from everett ross that the scientist in question is riri williams a student at mit they go to mit to meet her this is a very funny scene where they see that she's

using an iphone they're like oh that's so primitive like what is she doing using an iphone they go to her dorm and kind of like shock her and the whole way it's played this is one of the more comedic scenes in the movie which there are not many of this is one of the more serious straight played marvel movies out there but i feel like r like Riri Williams was kind of the, the comedic support in this movie and the whole way she was handled in this. There wasn't too much of her. I never got sick of her. And I was pretty like happy to see her by the end of the movie.

I was like, she was funny, worked well with the rest of the cast. I think it was a good backdoor pilot, as they say for her series. Ooh, that's a good Nick. I've never heard that term used for

that before i like that i felt the same way about her i liked her enough i was worried it was going to be beating over my head with her or they were just going to use too many jokes and stuff like that and to be honest with you with with the iron heart series that is is it now just like a special no iron heart is still a series and this this is the Mephisto series. Oh, yes, yes, the Mephisto series. It's going to be known as the Mephisto series by the time this is over. It's the Mephisto show for us. I mean, every single episode we'll be waiting.

She's going to debut in a Black Panther movie and then be the Mephisto series. Riri Williams. He's going to cut the Mephisto, and he's going to go, my wife. Which I'm still convinced until we see that bastard on screen. This is Sacha Baron Cohen's masterpiece is by tricking us all into thinking he's Mephisto, who still has not been written by our boy Kevin Feige on the whiteboard. But yeah, it was like, it was, she was like fun, young, funny, cool. You know, you kind of got all those beats from her.

She played well with the two other actresses. Right. I feel like they play well. And made me feel warm. Her dorm room. My God. They said like, you go to the Chicago HQ, you're hanging with the boys, Eddie, Chief, Carl, Dave, all of them.

Even Danny Conrad. We got our boy Tombo. I can't call Tommy a Chicago guy. He'll fucking kill us, right? New York born and raised. Forever. But I just love being around those guys. And Rimi kind of had that same like warmth, Midwestern feel about her.

Is she from Chicago originally? That is the question, Bob Fox. I don't know the answer to that question. Our guy Jose would know that off the top of his head. I actually got to see our guy Jose on Fight Week. We got to talk comics for like 20 minutes. minutes it was great i loved catching up with him i was talking about the actress for the record by the way and she is from new york so that hurts the chicago boys right there new yorker got she she tommy lead him yeah she tommy light lead it um i i thought she was really good though and she probably got the the hardest laugh of the

movie from my theater when she says like you better watch your mouth and she responds like you better watch the way you're looking with that ashy head the theater was like uproariously laughing at that right after koya was like is everything looking she's like oh you look great don't worry about it and she just gets that's the worst is when you're already kind of worried about someone saying something about something about you. And then the first joke that comes down comes right on it, like a fucking anvil and a roadrunner. Oh, just awful, awful moment for a girl, Okoye. Okoye took some L's this movie too.

Okoye did. And by the end of the movie, let's just call a fucking, let's call an ugly suit an ugly suit. She was wearing an ugly suit. She was wearing an ugly suit. ugly suit she was wearing an ugly suit oh it's so gross they call it an ugly suit in the movie and i figured oh that's like a funny thing to do before they give her the cool suit but they used the suit that they initially called ugly it was such a weird line to throw in there and do you think like i saw someone suggest that ryan coogler did not like the suit and was like this is my little protest towards that.

Like I'm throwing in a line of dialogue about it. Do you think that's the case? If you told me that it's like a running joke in the book about how bad the suits were, I believe you. That's the way that they approached it. What did they call it? The Midnight Warrior or something like that? I don't remember. It's almost like the Ball Don't Lie shirt with Dave.

It was such a bad shirt. Dave just made it a joke until it became a good shirt that already had talked about it so much it's the same thing like imagine she just wore a ball don't lie midnight angel that's a cool fucking name though that's it is a cool name the suit just looked like a weird like knockoff predator or something that's exactly what i was thinking a predator kind of suit yeah i i wasn't down for it but they get into a big chase scene now where they go back to riri's like hideout we see one of her iron man suits this is her kind of mark one suit which she gets to use and fly around in and then the rest of them go out on car and motorcycle big chase

scene with the cia they're surrounded and we see i think i don't know if it's this early but julia louise dreyfus is the fucking head of the cia in the moral cinematic universe which is crazy and i love that she is x the ex-wife of uh martin freeman's character like that connection in this movie brilliant chef's kiss at whoever you know thought let's connect these two characters like that that man was dominated in the bedroom let's just call it what it is right that between the every single interaction we see with them i'm just like valentina she val just fucking owned your ass dude elaine or we've said we're only gonna call her late elaine owned your ass man he i like that guy. He's awesome in the season of Fargo that he's in. I don't remember if that's season three, two or three.

But I loved him in it. So that was a great twist. That was a very fun twist. I appreciate it. Great chase scene too. Like everything about this, Namor's warriors come up on the bridge. I like the chase scene, Bob. You know I'm not a chase guy too.

Oh, yeah, you're not a chase guy. enjoy the chasing creative though like the whole way they went about it really good yeah i also enjoyed i realized a lot of the reason i like tony stark or iron man is because i just like gadgets i even liked hearing about the stuff that reedy was doing for people on the side how she built the submarine when you know extra parts and stuff like that i just like that kind of stuff. It turns out. So that's another reason why. Yeah, she was like hustling when they met her, right? She was like, it cost this much.

He's like, come on. She's like, what grade did you get? He's like, all right, I'll fucking Venmo you. Yeah. Oh, the Venmo joke was a good one too. I forgot about that. It also made me feel so stupid. I'm like, there's kids at mit right now who are so

much smarter than me and know so much more about everything on the planet than i do so that was a really humbling experience in the movie theater uh but yeah the chase scene was was awesome and yeah like a different dynamic of how you have these two groups going towards each other but then it's like um you have the cops who are the bad guys but then it's really the motherfuckers in the water that are the problem and they had cool character designs kind of like the avatar but they had the mask of water on and everything the way they jumped off their whales onto the bridge they get into a fight it looks like shuri like kills two of them or someone stabs them and they recover and we learn later that you need like a sonic weapon to truly like injure these people that's

what what their weakness is or whatever. The water like rejuvenates. Or is that just the more where the water rejuvenates him? I don't know because these people obviously were rejuvenated by that. These people, Bob? Do you really want to say that? But they did have like almost a Wolverine level of healing in the film. When they just stood up

and dove back into the water and they take shuri she says essentially like take me let me you know i'll go down there but when it's like on the door of malaje to make sure that queen shuri or the princess shuri is okay the queen is very upset about this so this is where she kind of like rips the door malage apart and she's like you let my daughter fucking get kidnapped she thinks the daughter was kidnapped at this point shuri but obviously we know shuri um volunteered basically and she goes down to uh nakia who has been living in haiti since the blip that's right and i forgot it's been like six years. That's another thing.

It's like that almost messed me up at first. It felt like, oh, these characters are reuniting right away. And I'm like, oh yeah, this is, they haven't seen each other in six years. They're taught. So they have the, there's obviously the year later after T'Challa's death that they go through.

And then when she says six, you're going five, oh, five, five. I know that number, that number means something. And then I'm thinking our boy T'challa was gone during the blip because obviously that's the really emotional scene we're just like this motherfucker just made a billion dollars for marvel and they turned his ass into thanos dust that was that was i think it was him it was the most shocking yeah like in that movie was like you would never expect that and even the way they they play it where she grabs his wrist and she's like you know come on let's get to safety my king you expect her to go it's

it's so well executed in that because it's like the last guy you would ever expect i gotta watch endgame again just here just thinking about the portal scene or infinity war in this case like i just gotta watch both those movies back put it back in the theater because we have to take down avatar because james cameron is playing his little games which by the way few people hit us up about this 100 true i'm so happy marvel got the jump and they got the blue skin before uh because that was one of the just subtly giving the middle finger that was one of the previews i had was uh was the way of water or something like that? I got three Jonathan majors previews too. It was Creed Ant-Man and he's in a new like pilot movie. I forget what it's called,

but it's like him and another guy and they're like old, old school pilots, like with the propeller planes. Yup. Yup. I think I got that one too. Yeah, I definitely got that one.

The quick tangent, the Ant-Man preview, I've gone down and found like four different versions of that uh goodbye yellow brick road version of it i think you just have that shit on on itunes or whatever because i just want to listen to it non-stop it's awesome it's like an epic version of it yeah yeah it's great uh so um or uh but what's uh what's the girl's name? T'Challa's girl? Nakia? Nakia, yeah.

Nakia. The Nakia stuff, I was a little kind of like, I was kind of like, all right. I actually had to go to the bathroom. I had to pee at one point. And I was like, how did I? I had to pee in this movie, too. Oh, that was the other thing. Two hours and 40 minutes.

It's long. And it felt long. But not in a bad way. Like, I don't know what you would have cut. That's the one thing I'll say. I think they had a lot of ground to cover because they had to address the whole, our star actor who is the main character in this died. And they had to do it somewhat cleanly. So I'll give them a pass for that.

I almost threw this dad joke on Twitter. And I still might do it. Two hours and 40 minutes for this Black Panther movie. Wakanda forever indeed. Jeez Louise, jeez that's a good one you should do that two hours and 40 minutes because that it felt like epic and but another thing like I was almost surprised when you said you wanted to bring your daughter right away because I felt like the first two acts of this movie don't truly feel like marvel-ish in that like they don't feel super superhero-y super superhero-y but they don't like the third act feels like okay we're into the fucking battle the big you know armies battling the heroes battling the first two thirds is pretty sad

yeah it's tough and i even said it because she goes she goes so what happened to the other black panther i'm like well actually the actor died in real life. She goes, oh, okay, that makes sense. I'm like, all right, you kind of were able to process that pretty well, so you're going to go have a whole bunch of – but I'm telling you, when she sees Riri, it's going to just be like – Yeah, true. The lights are going to go on, and she's just going to be in her own little – New favorite hero.

Yeah, you'll have a Halloween costume for next year. Exactly, exactly. So Namor shows Shuri the vibranium-rich underwater kingdom of Talocan, which I love the way that they all say that. The way they say, you know, the feather serpent god. I can't even attempt to say it like they say it. It just sounded awesome coming out of everyone's mouths. And he's protected it for centuries.

And we know he's, like, stronger than the Hulk from what they've talked about because he has to withstand all of the water on it. It's the same, you know, thought as Aquaman basically. But such a cool underwater city. She's wearing in a morbid way. One of the suits of the people they obviously killed while he's showing

around. I was wondering how they got that suit. And that's exactly, that's awesome. It's the same suit. Awesome. Throw her in that one. Metal rating.

That's a metal metal. so fucking awesome. Throw her in that one. Metal rating? That's a metal. Metal. Definitely metal. Pretty fucking metal. Yeah. And then he just tells her he's bitter at the surface world. Like, he was enslaved. His people were enslaved.

He proposes an alliance with Wakanda against the rest of the world. But he's like, if you don't want to do that, we're going to war. Like, I'm going to war with the world world and i'd like you to join me essentially and you see his side when you see the flashback him as a kid him having to like bury his mom like all of that stuff was like all right i see where namor is coming from i understand why this guy's pissed and they use the m word namor is a mutant confirmed mutant i have to throw the x-Men theme in there somewhere. I love the whole alliance angle of all of it.

I love when the enemy in the movie is trying to become your friend. And they're super similar. Yeah. You know, it's not even like a Luke and Vader thing because it's kind of like a co-worker thing. Like, hey, we're the exact same. We're, you know, an an underwater City and under planet city With vibranium and we need to stay Hidden the world is now privy

To us the world is now against us And your your Old king is kind of the reason everyone knows About us now right so it's kind of Like we're giving you guys a pass on a lot of shit Let's just team up and I and the reason name order Doesn't even like hates the surface world

Perfectly logical Reasonable explanation for it all We talked about this in the Eternals And it's the case here too I love when we go back in time And you see like the old Mayan ruins And stuff like that and the conquistadors And then smallpox and shit like that

It's like oh man like their whole world Just you feel it caving in on them. And they would just try drinking this herb, which, again, a lot of similarities between that and the stuff in Wakanda where they're taking the herbs and stuff. So there's just so much similarities between the two. And even when he goes and meets Angela Bassett and Shuri, and he's like, if you tell this person, if you tell anyone, I'm going to kill you. I'm going to start a war. If you do this. And then he throws the fucking submarine up there.

Is it the submarine? He just like puts on the thing. They're just like, how the fuck did that get there? I'm still not sure how it got there. It's like, yeah, it's like the big, like giant crate. Like it's huge. I even love the way he like flies out above them and like presents himself almost like, hello. Like it was very like

old school like super friends in in that way but in like a cool way if i looked like him i'd probably do the same show i'm like hello everybody you know like my little don't look at my little winged feet because they look kind of silly even though they're not as bad as they could be that's kind of the the vibe namor carries himself with even the way he got his name where it's, you know, Namor because it's the child without love. I'm like, that is fucking metal. A dying man's last words is what named

him for the child without love. He's like, yeah, that sounds good. Way better than, oh, you're by yourself, huh? How about Han Solo? The absolute bit. By the the way did you when they said you have to get the scientists that made this submarine we're like oh that's riri yeah yeah yeah i but i kind of knew that going in i kind of like i kind of knew that was like the plot going in i didn't know going in and i was just like oh boy are we meeting

bruce you're like reed richards the aerospace engineer i was really excited for it and then it was like oh yeah obviously they're introducing yeah this movie didn't really there was a lot of rumors about doom and stuff but this movie didn't really concern itself with outside mcu stuff it was very wakanda focused they gave us a little i guess thunderbolts tease if you want to call it that with julia louis dreyfus but very wakanda focused yes very which i was cool with it it fits the tone of the movie it would be weird to be like hey remember this guy or you know introducing there's that tweet where it's like this is blorg and everyone goes nuts um so nakia comes down she helps shuri

and williams escape she's got the sonic gun to like actually kill two of them and namor retaliates with an attack against wakanda where ramona or ramonda drowns she's trying trying to save riri because they have like water grenades, these crazy water grenades. Those things were dope. They were blasting the outside. Super cool. Like put those in video games tomorrow because that was awesome. Fortnite. Put that shit in Fortnite right fucking now.

Them and Marvel are pretty close. Give me a fucking water bomb just to like watch someone inside. Oh, they're awesome. I wasn't a big Fortnite guy, but when they put Thanos in the game, oh, I was a big Fortnite guy for that week or however long it was. We still occasionally play Sienna and I because, again, it's Fortnite to the point where it's just basically second and third graders. So Sienna will still want to play here and there. And I bought the Thanos skin.

So I am Thanos and she's MJ. And we just run around. We end up winning a lot of times. I'm killing a lot of other second and third graders in the game. Is it like Zendaya, MJ? Yeah, Zendaya, MJ. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And Namor says, I'm returning in a week with my full army.

The citizens of Wakanda will be warned. So they all relocate to the mountains for their safety, where M'Baku and his tribe are. Very sad scene with the queen dying like them trying to resuscitate her and everyone realizing like no it's over i was very surprised that they killed her to be honest like probably was the original plan you would have to imagine based on the way the movie went but man crazy like it's a movie about loss i guess but i a lot of loss yeah i i'm the same way as you bob i feel like they're like listen we have to go this direction i feel at some point they're

gonna be like angela batts is not gonna be able to do these movies at some point anymore so it's like we can't just and we're not gonna change that actress and they're like there's two ways we go about it we can even make this a movie about loss, which it ended up being, or it's like we got half measures and they just went with it. And you know what? It gave gravity to the whole situation. It made Sherry, like whatever Sherry does at this point, I'm going to just accept

because I think when someone goes through what she goes through in this movie, anything could happen. She could turn into a Sith Lord and that's a completely different cinematic universe. If she just learned the force and just started choking people up, I wouldn't be able to blame her because she lost her mother her her mother

and her brother so uh that was in the way that in this kind of a year like and just the white hair in the water too where it's just like oh my god that that was that yeah that was like a little haunting that was very very dark and even the shot of her swimming down and like trying to pull riri up like the way it was all shot underwater was beautiful it was a very honorable way for her character to go out very her character trying to save someone um but she was always she was like she was she could tell she was a riri fan from the jump you know like she was like get back you know she was a protective kind and that gives jump. She was like, get back. She was a protective kind of movie fan. And that gives Riri that whole, Riri's going to have a whole perspective in her show based on that.

Yeah, exactly. Ross gets arrested by Valentina, Elaine, because she's been listening the whole time. She knows he's got the beads and everything. She's like, you fucking moron. She's like, I don't give a shit i wasn't like just she played it so well too or i was like oh we got one off on you yeah um and then using a remnant of the herb that gave namor's people their superhuman abilities shuri is able to reconstruct the heart-shaped herb and ingest it so she's like out for vengeance at this point angry as hell do whatever you got to do to get me killing this guy basically so she takes it and she gains the

abilities you see it going through her veins it looks as brutal as it did in the last movie where it looks like she's like going through something as it's going through her and she sees a throne in the ancestral realm who's she gonna see is she gonna see chadwick we know no is she gonna see queen ramonda that would have been a twist robby well you never know what they did paul walker or whatever but we know that they said they're not gonna do cgi and stuff like that so is she gonna see her father even, who passed away, T'Chaka? Nope. Killmonger is sitting on the throne. And it's because she has vengeance in her heart.

And he kind of points that out to her. He's like, you and me are way more alike than you think. And he does this whole monologue, and it kind of goes around. And it shows the fire all around them. And she gets angry at him. You burnt this down. You're the reason my brother died. And it is one of the best scenes in the movie, I think. shows the you know the fire all around them and she gets angry at him you burnt this down you're the reason my brother died and it is one of the best scenes in the movie i think it was like chills the whole time did you feel the same way oh i i just wrote killmonger in all caps i could almost

hear jim ross oh god damn it it's killmonger and he plays that role he has like it's like a mix of like anger but there's a little aggression in it too. And he just kind of comes at you, which is something Michael B. Jordan plays that character different than a lot of other villains you'll see in the MCU. So I was so fucking happy. I had no idea he was going to be in the movie and it didn't even like

cross my mind. So I was, I don't know. I'm still mad. They killed him. He's still the, the real king of Wakanda in my mind. That's a problematic thing to say, maybe.

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But everyone's on good terms. So go to Morgan & Morgan. So Shuri dons a new black panther suit she looks at a couple helmets she decides one she decides on one that has like gold trim and everything kind of reminiscent of killmonger to be honest and she goes to the new tribes and not the new tribes but all of the tribes up in the mountains as the new Black Panther. And they accept her. They're like, she drops down, takes the helmet off, looks badass. And she's determined to exact vengeance on Namor for Ramonda's death. And she orders an immediate counterattack on the talacon.

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Dora Milaje suits awesome Dora Milaje also one of the cooler parts of Falcon and the Winter Soldier Underrated Definitely Let me just say something here About our girl Angela Bassett Who RIP in peace Don't you ever

I don't care if you lost your son and then your daughter got kidnapped by some underwater kingdom or whatever okoye has a job for fucking life man okoye is in the circle of trust that was bullshit i thought that was absolute bullshit and i was saying it at the time that was bad yes and listen if you're gonna say the only reason she did it is because she was clouded by the emotions of losing her two kids i can completely understand that's what it was totally because a rational queen there she doesn't do that that's the like literally it's like what would it take for a koi to rightfully get stripped of her title and the only way is both her kids

being lost in like a year's time that's the only way i would have accepted it so i just want to say that was bullshit okoye you want to come to this side you don't want your queen all up in your business in fancy music videos come work for barstool sport i love okoye man she's fucking badass and we also have the dora milaje member annika uh joining her who was you know throughout the whole movie was another like big part of the Dora Milaje in this um Williams creates an Iron Man-esque suit for um the fight and it's very cool people said it looked uh like uh Iron Man meets the Power Rangers which I sort of agree with but it was like very her it had the heart in the middle kind of looked like it had like her braids on top and everything I thought it was dope much cooler than the Midnight Angel suit my opinion and then that's why they made the midnight angel suits look like such shit so

maybe cooler the wakandans lure namor and his warriors to the surface and the whole battle goes down on this big aircraft carrier and everything and they hit him with a sonic attack and shuri traps namor on a big fighter aircraft where they could dry him out because they figure out the thing about the water on his skin kind of regenerating him this is his kryptonite if you just dry him out like a fucking raisin so they try to make him a raisin they put him in the ship and they get into a fight the ship goes down they get into a big fight on the surface where he's completely weakened like i said before she rips the fucking wings out of his ankles which was badass he stabs her right in the stomach which was another like we can't go through this again like we we've had too much loss so she needs to pick

it up she does she walks through it and then fucking kill well she goes to kill him and then she realizes she has a luke return of the jed Jedi moment where she's like, I shouldn't act in vengeance right now. And she offers him a surrender, a peaceful surrender. Call it off. We don't have to do this. And he accepts because he would have been killed in that moment. He was dead to rights. When she's just a Wakanda forever and he gets fucking roasted by the jet.

I was like, oh, fuck. That is a hell of a way to go out. You usually don't see a Marvel villain, especially one that's kind of a gray area villain, not this pure evil motherfucker, Ramsey Bolton style, go out like that. I was like, god damn, Sherry, that is some fucked up shit. It was a cool fight. It was a cool fight. I liked the dehydration strategy.

It made sense. I was thinking they should have dehydrated him and then put him to sleep because the worst feeling in the world is when you wake up in the middle of the night and need a glass of water. You don't have one near you. Dry mouth. Oh, my God. Yeah. You could have probably had Namor tap out on the spot and just quickly call it a day. And listen, I was going to say Namor the entire time because i like the name

bob keeps saying namor and i've heard other people say namor namor i don't know well they say in the movie you're a bad name i guess i have to fucking i might have to just own the namor because i just loved how bad as it was uh this is another one of these movies too where i'm like ramonda am i saying that right nakia i'm in my own head this episode the fact that you went on the wikipedia and had their names i just like i just be going like again oh t'challa's girl like i don't i don't know their fucking names i loved how the uh the namor's people i don't even know what's their what's the group okay i love it they had whales with them at all times. The killer whales.

I'm like, oh, fuck. We got orcas we're dealing with here, man. And the way they would all like pitch a ride on him is like a bus for them. Yeah. I wanted a little more whale action. I want some sharks maybe. Maybe throw a fucking manatee out there. That seems nice, but he's a really mean.

A norwall. Could you imagine getting a fucking norwall? So that's something for... Spiking up right through someone. Yeah, let's work on that for the next... I don't think he'll ever have his own movie no more. But the next one he's in... No, but he'll be back.

The end of this movie is like Secret Wars. Wakanda and Talakon are coming in as a tag team. Big time. They don't even hide it at all. I think they're kind of just like... They're hammering you over the head. But I was like, when he gets cooked by the jet i'm like did we just kill another fucking villain in black panther movie that was pretty cool and had some staying power so i was really pissed when that happened also why are you coming up with an entire strategy of

attacking the people coming from the water yet there's no one manning the bottom of the ship in case they fucking go up and try i was like come on yeah that's that one shit that was almost like shuri thought out her plan and then didn't get much thought into like the army's plan you know she's like oh i'm gonna be flying when the fucking water people are attacking from the water it was almost to make a fighting analogy she almost didn't train cardio and with the hopes that like i'm gonna get the first round knockout i won't even make it to the fifth round and that's kind of what she did and she succeeded so it's like all right we can't criticize it too much but they were about to get like probably roasted by the uh not quite literally like namur did but they were about to get beat by the Dalatons, I think. They were about to drown like motherfuckers. Like Angela Bassett was. I'm sorry if the

wound is fresh. That was uncouth. Yeah, that was fresh. So the battle ends. Namor says no more. I'm saying Namor now. Namor says no more. It's going to be 50-50. So, you know, you can't say It's going to drive people nuts now that we haven't gone one way or the other. But you guys started one. Actually, you know, you can't say. It's going to drive people nuts now that we haven't gone one way or the other.

But you guys started one. Actually, people are going to, they're like, at the end of this podcast, I'm going to write them a very angry tweet about how they were saying the name wrong. And then we got the name right. But we got it right. Yeah, we got it right. So Namora's cousin, Namora, says that she's very upset about this. She thinks it makes them look bad.

And he reassures her, listen, this alliance is going to allow us to, know be a tag team someday we'll conquer the surface world together williams returns to mit and if they don't we're gonna fuck them up that's the other thing he said yeah yeah which that's a big part of vibranium with them their forces together they might be right about that and can we admit to that in the scene the when they invaded wakanda it was a pretty fucking awesome badass scene of them destroying that wonderful country Like I love Wakanda The water flowing through the streets That was awesome

Williams returns to MIT And they don't let her take the suit They're like respectfully you're still a teenager So we can't let you take this ultra powered Iron Man suit back with you And Ross is rescued from captivity That's a great scene by the midnight angel herself like opens the thing and he's just sitting there and in shuri's absence so shuri goes

away from the country i thought this was very interesting mbaku steps forward to challenge for the throne but how do you see how do you challenge for the throne if no one's at the throne you know like is he just volunteering to like he's gonna run shit when she's out doing black Panther shit, which makes sense. Right. Like he's, he's the King of Wakanda, but she's the black Panther,

I guess. Yeah. I, I guess it's, that's how we're going to, which I like. Cause in Baku is one of my favorites. I do think he's like,

if you could have put him in the black Panther suit, if you wrote this movie differently and I would have been satisfied with that. Yeah. He's also the, like the only other guy that would have fit it based on the yeah the dude with the lip can't have that guy i couldn't watch that anymore i know he had a couple lines too and when he talks it just makes it worse i'm like oh stop moving it's gonna rip your whole lip open i know yeah respectfully i'm sure you know it's you, respectfully. Even when people have the ear one, that's just like the size of a quarter.

I don't like it. It makes me fucking, it shivers down my spine. Let's not talk about a clem. I don't even want to think about it. Yeah, okay. Number one, this is actually a good point, too. And this raises a question now. Could Shuri even become the queen of wakanda

because she technically was on like peds to get the suit it's kind of like making the hall of fame it's like she has an asterisk she has an asterisk next to her name bob that's synthetic that's not made it's not natural right you know this is she was on some barry bond shit no i think even the natural stuff would pop pop you onADA or whatever the drug testing agency is. Bob, I don't know, Bob. I don't know. So, all right. This is what we're going to get out of this podcast today.

Should Barry Bonds be in the Hall of Fame? Yes or no? According to Robbie Fox. If you would have battled. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Love to hear it. Absolutely.

Love to hear it. Absolutely. You love drugs too, though. So, I guess I'm going to go with that. Whoa. In the nicest way possible. Good drugs. Yeah.

Weed. I like weed. Yeah, from the earth, drugs. You love drugs. Hopefully Mama Fox wasn't listening. Jeez. Bob, is this true? So Shuri goes to Haiti to visit Nakia, or Nakia, however you would like to say it.

T'Challa's girl. That's who she is. That's why I choose to say it. By herself's girl that's who she that's why i choose to say it and she by herself she's like i prepared it for you everything's good and you kind of see where this is going because we had a conversation about this earlier on in the movie she says i got to do this by myself and she goes out there to burn her funeral clothes from now her mother's wedding because she burned it with she burned her to talk to chala funeral clothes with her mom and she's now burning the these funeral clothes and that's kind of the end of the grieving and oh my god this got me at the end when they start flashing the scenes of black panther one and you see them doing the handshake them doing the wakanda forever like when they come

in all of those scenes seeing chadwick I was like oh fuck it wrecked me And then the mid credit scene wrecked me more Because it basically just picks up where this left off It's an extension of the scene And Shuri meets Nakia and T'Challa's Son he comes out I think he originally

This is another one where I'm not going to be able to pronounce it right But it says he originally said his name was T'Saint and Tessaint. Tessaint. No French on that from Haiti, Bob. Tessaint. That's right. And she's like five or six years old because obviously she's been here for six years and the blip and all of that.

And she says that T'Challa basically prepared them for his death and made sure that they're going to be all right. But, you know he says i got a secret my real name is t'challa and oh my god that like got me and that's like i said at the beginning of the podcast why you don't recast t'challa because i think that's such a better way to go about it you give him a son that he has the same name and in 10 years when the x-men are up and going you reintroduce him and you could do the T'Challa Storm wedding again. That was something that I was looking back. I was like, shit, we're not going to get to T'Challa Storm because I know that was like a really big power couple in the books, right?

That's like that sounds like one of the greatest power couples of all time. How do you not bring that to the big screen? And it kind of lines up perfectly now for them, right? In a, in a weird kind of way. And again, you're not doing the whole Derek Jeter. We're just going to put this stud shortstop in and say, yep, that's Derek Jeter. Now it's like, nope, give him time. We'll allow some time to heal some wounds here.

And then boom, the suit goes around, goes to his sister. Who's kind of cheating to wear it for being honest. Like I said, and then, but like you said, those kind of piss me off, man, that when they go back to black Panther and the dynamic they had,

that was such a, we got really robbed of that dynamic. And it was a perfect brother, sister dynamic. And I think we said it when we were talking about it, they really do have like the perfect, like kind of busting chops oh Mr. King here You know like they really played off it well for

People that aren't related in real life obviously So man yeah the whole Scene the the mid credits Whatever you want to say and I was also thinking there could be Some sort of a way where if we have To kind of jump some time or whatever Kang's coming in shit's gonna get

Weird with time and universes and shit. There might be a way to speed this up down the road that if we don't want to wait for this six-year-old to become a 16, 18-year-old, there are some kind of funny ways they could fudge up the numbers here. But it also made me feel kind of good that it's not like he had to hide from his dad. His dad was blipped for five years. So that kind of made me feel all right because it's just a tragic thing in in the uh story of how it all went down and speaking of kang someone tweeted me recently and they were like what if kang is like his whole thing is he's after public enemy number one steve rogers for fucking up the timeline when he went back to do this and that's his whole and he's like where

the fuck and everyone is like ant-man everyone's like we legit don't know so like they're trying to find him like kang's coming for him they're trying to alert him that like someone's coming like you could do it in a way where you've already introduced a way to send time through someone from infinity war that's true you could put old man cat back in that machine and make him chris evans again and we could just have captain america and and we have two captain america's that's what it is in the comics right now like that captain america is a tag team of sam wilson and oh wow um steve rogers so like that would be kind of badass we have our and we have our current our cap and uh iron man we have riri and uh sam right now

we have our replacements and they said in secret wars they're looking to bring everyone back like absolutely everyone so it's like do they do the time travel and or multiversal thing bring tony stark back like that or is riri williams and her show going to develop like the greatest ai of all time and it's going to be like it's going to open and be like a digital Robert Downey Jr. face almost what kind of drugs is Waldron going on to fucking write that story I need to know what he's going to do he's going to go out to the desert

have one of those like Joshua Tree chip trips or whatever it's crazy Waldron's writing that movie maybe as we speak that's crazy man maybe as we speak that's our movie alright Waldron I will be one of the captain americas let me be no you know what i would love our cameo to be waldron we know you're listening this is this is what we're going to come do to on set on secret wars we're just going to be uh in carmitage gear behind wong when he comes in we're like

wong's two first guys you know yeah they're like wait what what multiverse is this room where these two fuckers made it into the car are those the guys from medieval times in lyndhurst new jersey and he's like that's where i found them we're basically like the mcu jay and silent bob that's what we're gonna look like that's us that's us that honestly like we don't look too dissimilar. That's true. We're close enough. Maybe that's where we could do. Maybe we could hit up Kevin Smith and be like, can we do a My Mom's Basement event at your theater?

Infinity War into Endgame. Yes. Wow, Bob. There it is. That would be sick. I don't know if it's doable, but that'd be pretty sick. When you live in the upstairs of the theater And went downstairs to what is it Use the bathroom or get a drink

I think you could figure out a way You're fucking Kevin Smith You're movie royalty at this point Alright that was the Wakanda Forever review No no no my friend not so fast We have a fast food review to do We do have a fast food review to do pal You have a fast food review to do So you think about it you let it cook

Because you don't have it ready I have mine Ready here so I thought about this One I was thinking about it during the movie So I'm like this covers a lot of shit here We have a lot of drama some Sadness obviously But then we get a little bit of action at the End it is a

I don't know if it's a The tent it's not the tentpole franchise But it feels like a little bit of action at the end. It is a, I don't know if it's a, the tent, it's not the tent pole franchise, but it feels like a tent pole franchise of the MCU. I don't know if that's even, if you can be like, if you could be a tent pole or has to be the tent pole. I just think there's a bunch of poles. It's one of the poles for the tent. It's holding it up.

It's not the top of the tent, like the little werewolf by night. It's a very important part of the MCU Black Panther. So it's important. It's on the menu. It's an entree, but it touches a lot of things. It kind of is two movies in one. And that's why it is the quesadilla from Taco Bell for me, half quesadilla, half burrito. It's pretty damn good. It's not my go-to. It's not something I go with often, but it's something I like just enough where I was like, eh, I'm happy I had that. i'm happy i had the quesarito tried it out same here with uh wakanda forever so my pick the quesarito which by the way the uh the what's it called the after the

the mid credits the rihanna song lift me up i fucking love that song banger like i downloaded it as soon as i left yeah i've listened to that just like in the shower like hanging out like that's a really good so she did two songs for it too the other songs are good too have you heard that no i'm gonna i'll dabble into i haven't dove into the soundtrack i'll dive into it after we're done here i think i got a sneeze Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Nope, it's gone. It's gone. All right. Sorry about that. I have a meal in my mind. It took me a second to really, like, land on one,

but I'm going more in terms of pure quality of the movie and this being back to an original thing, but you're also taking something away. I'm going to go with a baconator junior aka the son of the baconator okay now i'm going with the son of the baconator because it's not the full baconator it's also not a meal i could have every time it's heavy and it's gonna make me feel sad at the end of it but when i have it when i'm consuming it it's pretty damn good and i'm like all right this is just back to fucking quality Wendy's right here.

So I'm going with the son of the Baconator. I like that, too. I mean, obviously, it plays with what we see in the mid-credits there and obviously the change from the sister from T'Challa. So, all right. So, Quesarito and the son of the Baconator. I think those are very similar where it's like, I'll have it here and there, which, I mean, I think if this movie's on, I'll check it out. But it's not something that is going to be a franchise player, even a second tier.

It's kind of in the third tier right now, but like for me, in terms of the whole MCU, I don't know how to rank it in terms of phase four Marvel projects. I do think this is towards the top. If you were to just do the phase four movies, I would probably say this is the best like made movie, the best film if you want

to do that it's not the most rewatchable for me though in terms of like it's it's heavy it's sad it's serious for a lot of it there's not a ton of action maybe i'm a bird brain for thinking that way but like i'll rewatch no way home a lot more than I'll rewatch this one I think Maybe that's just because I'm a massive Spider-Man fan too but Black Widow, Shang-Chi Eternal, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness And Thor Love and Thunder and then Wakanda Forever

That's what we're dealing with in this phase I put it probably behind I put it like Three to four depending how It's Spider-Man, Doctor Strange i have higher um and then like i really liked too shang-chi is a rewatchable movie for me that bus fight scene is so good i haven't rewatched it since i saw it and then i'm thinking like thor either ones are a little too long this one's this one might be a little too long with thor's a little too short so i'm in that same

three four five range with you, I think. Yeah. All right. That was Wakanda forever though. Great movie. If you haven't seen it and you made it through the podcast, thank you.

If you have seen it and made it through the podcast also, thank you. I was going to say, go see the movie, but then I realized we're at the end of the podcast. And I was like, all right. I mean,

we're not convincing anyone at this point. I haven't seen it. We're not going to sell you on it. The hashtag? Hashtag MMB forever. Is that appropriation? MMB forever. We love Wakanda.

Hashtag appropriation, maybe? We just really steer into the skin. No. No. Tweet at just Robbie Fox, dude. At Robbie Fox, just him. Hashtag appropriate. All right.

Hashtag MMB forever. We're doing that one. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you for making it to the end of the episode. And we'll catch you next time to recap Andor episode 11. Which I am excited for right now. Legitimately excited to see this next episode the penultimate episode oh i'm even more excited