My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 25 - CAIN "EL TORO" VELASQUEZ

Episode Date: September 9, 2019

Two-time UFC Heavyweight Champion Cain Velasquez - aka "EL TORO" - joins Robbie in the basement this week to discuss his transition from mixed martial arts to professional wrestling. Cain just made his debut at AAA's TripleMania event in a six-man tag team match that featured Cody Rhodes, Psycho Clown, Texano Jr, Taurus and a few others, and "Invading NY" will be Velasquez's first wrestling appearance in the United States on September 15th. He'll also be at the “Invading LA” event on October 13 at the Forum in Los Angeles! Ladies and gentlemen, this man knocked out Brock Lesnar once upon a time, and now he's throwing fools in hurricanranas. What more could you ask for?You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

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welcome back to the show, ladies and gentlemen. I am joined by one of the great heavyweights of all time, and one of the great heavyweights in mixed martial arts, now transitioning to pro wrestling, trying to become one of the greatest heavyweights there as well. And one of the great heavyweights in mixed martial arts now transitioning to pro wrestling, trying to become one of the greatest heavyweights there as well. You're here promoting AAA, invading New York on September 15th at MSG, and then invading LA October 13th at the Forum.

Cain, I'm a huge fan of yours from your mixed martial arts career, but I'm also a huge pro wrestling fan, so I would like to take it back to the beginning for you. And just tell me, what was your first memory of pro wrestling? First memory of pro wrestling? I was just a little kid, you know, probably four years old, watching Lucha Libre, watching Santos, Blue Demon, Mil Mascaras with my dad, with my family, watching their movies, watching their

matches. I remember going to Mexico. We would go to Mexico almost every weekend where we lived. We lived in Yuma, Arizona, and we're like 30 minutes from the border. So we would go to Mexico every weekend, and we would get the little luchador action figures and have the ring as well. And I just remember playing with them in the way that they wrestled. So that was my earliest memory of wrestling. What was it that drew you to that?

Was it the over-the-top? That's what it was for me. I grew up with kind of the Hulk Hogan era of that's what my brother showed me when I was little. So it was the over-the, like almost superhero like personalities. Was that for you? Yeah. Superhero like, you know, with the masks as well. And to me, watching those guys wrestle like Santos and Mil Mascaras, those guys, I mean,

they were like, they were the stars of their era. So they did. They were in all the movies back then and they did all the movies in their masks. So that to me was just cool. It just made them seem like they're larger than life. And that's what really just kind of drew me to that. And also the kind of ceremony of masks, if you will, right? The tradition that's kept the sacredness of a Lucha Libre mask. That for me always made Ray Mysterio was my first favorite wrestler of all time. He was for me like there

was nobody better than Ray, the ultimate underdog, the best Lucha Libre ever for my money. For me, like I remember going back and finding out that he once had to take his mask off in WCW and it was a whole revelation. So you go into mixed martial arts. You go into an entire illustrious career. Was there ever a thought in the back of your mind, I still like wrestling, I could still do this? When was the first thought that you had of I could go into the pro wrestling realm? Of pro wrestling? So I've always been a fan of wrestling in general.

I started wrestling in junior high, and I loved it all the way through college. So I've always had just the love for wrestling since then. And then once I was fighting, it was me, Daniel Cormier. We were all in Las Vegas for the Tough Show. And Cormier is a huge wrestling fan. He's been on the show before, and he is like a wrestling geek. He is. He's a big wrestling fan, and we've always talked about it and stuff.

But, yeah, he's always been a huge fan of it. And we went to an event. We went to a WWE event, and it was just like we were all kids again. We just had so much fun just being there and just watching the matches. It was just so interesting to me. Again, I kind of re-fell in love with it then, and I just decided, hey, let's try to do this. So this is, what, a couple years ago?

This is when he was doing the tough. This is when he fought, before he fought. Stipe the first time? Stipe the first time, yeah. So it was a couple years ago this is when he was doing the tough this is when he fought um before he fought steep a the first time the first time yeah so it's a couple years ago um and for me it was just in my head like okay can i even do this because i've heard stories of other athletes you know doing pro wrestling and i wasn't even sure if i could do it you know but i was willing to go and try and um you know did you know the stories of you know other other athletes from combat sports, Kurt Angle and Matt Riddle? Was Ronda Rousey even in it at that point or no?

That was her debut. Okay. So it was her debut that I saw. And I started training it. That maybe gives you a sense of like, all right, obviously the transition is available for there. For some reason, I feel like a lot of combat sports athletes make an easy transition going all the way back to like Ken Shamrock. They can, but I've seen a lot.

I've seen some, some instances where they, it's tougher than what it looks. Yeah. Obviously. Right. Totally. It's a lot of things that you got to do. Timing. It's, it's knowing, knowing different moves.

Right. That's actually, I wanted to bring up for you as a fighter who was a fan of wrestling for so long and then eventually you dove in. What was the thing that surprised you the most about it, like the actual physicality of it? Was it running the ropes and finding out that running the ropes hurts as bad as it does? All of that, yes, running the ropes. My scrawny ass train for a summer it is yeah the rope burn you get oh my god i don't wish it upon my worst enemy trying to sleep with that

i got a picture the first time i ran the ropes i had a big old bruise on the side of my on the side of my back yeah like ginormous and i was like oh my god so it is very physical um and it's just it's just knowing how to do everything, almost make it look easy, if you will, even though it is hard, and there's a big margin for error. It has to be fluid, right? Like almost a dance you and your opponent have to tell the perfect story. Yeah, having a good partner helps as well.

It's just being able to work with somebody to create just match and you know the the footwork and everything everything that's involved always getting up rolling to your left or right depending on you know where you are in in the world right lucha style is sometimes working on the opposite arm and stuff like that the intricacies of that i'm sure weren't easy to learn so you you went to the wwe performance center not too long after this, right? Because I remember a video coming out. There were some pictures. And that was the first time that I had ever really realized that you had an interest in pro wrestling. So I thought that was really cool. What did you do there? Just a workout? I think they called it a tryout, but was that what it was? Yeah, more so of a tryout, more of a workout for a week a week um for me it was just being there and just

kind of learning everything you know yeah the basics right basics were the ropes and you know doing the collar tie up um and just seeing if i could even like you know put those moves together and kind of put the combinations together to to to create a match um and then just getting the feedback from the coaches there to seeing how I did. Who were the coaches there when you were there, if you're able to say? Smiley, one of the coaches, Smiley, that's been there forever. He's wrestled in all different organizations as well. He's a legend and beloved at the Performance Center.

Yeah, so he was awesome. I think just the whole training center in general was just amazing, just the unity that everybody had, whether as fighting, it's more of like it's one person going out there and fighting, and even though we do have a camp behind us, it's more of you're out there fighting for yourself kind of thing, and all the rest of the athletes have to be selfish in a way. But here we kind of all work together. And I really just love that aspect of it. That's really cool. So was that experience

influential in you being like, OK, this is definitely something that I can do that I want to get into and go forward with? Yeah, just the more I did, I kind of just kept, you know, having a deeper love for and did you know that you wanted to kind of go back to your roots and work like in triple a a place where you could have like the true lucha libre style and fans for me it was yes exactly like if i if i was going to do this i i i had to you know relive my childhood and yeah and and do kind of what kind of what what made me fall in love with the sport in the first time. And that's the Lucia style of wrestling with a mask and just doing, you know, just trying to learn as much as I can.

So you start training to be a pro wrestler before or after the Francis Ngannou fight? I did a little bit here and there before, but it wasn't like it was routinely. Did you know before that you would be making your debut at TripleMania? Did I know before that? Yes, I did. Okay. Yes. So that was always in the back of your mind.

Yes. And once the fight with Francis is over, you go full-fledged into it. Who were your trainers? So I'm training over at Pro Wrestling wrestling revolution over in in san jose california um but then um i went over to vegas to train with the killer cross you know for a little bit um so talking to cormier the whole time giving him updates on the whole saga um anytime he would ask i know he's busy with his stuff and um i kind of just wanted to be more so like a surprise, you know, for him, you know, because I'm not one to like really boast about like what I'm doing, you know, or really talk too much about like what I'm doing. So for it was more so like I'm just doing this on my own.

And, you know, like when the guys see it, they really see like what I'm doing. Definitely. But training. Yeah. Training as much as i could here and there um and just trying to get better you know yeah so you you go to mexico and there was this amazing video that came out when you landed there were people waiting for you at the airport with a birthday cake right because it was your birthday like the day before it was like a hometown hero's welcome. Triple Mania was getting that big fight feel like, oh shit, it's Triple Mania week. You start getting jazzed up

for the big show. Did you have nerves at all going into that? It's such a different thing, right? In a fight, that seems like the scariest thing ever. You've fought Brock Lesnar. You've knocked out Brock Lesnar. That's the most intimidating thing a human being could say about themselves. But still, putting on the Lucha Libre mask, putting on the tights,

getting in the squared circle at TripleMania in front of, you know, so many people. Were you nervous? Hell yeah, I was nervous. No, man, I was nervous, yeah. Was it like a different nervousness than fighting? It was. It was a different nervousness. Because it's better, right?

You know everyone in the ring is out to help you. Everyone wants you to do well. Everyone wants you to succeed. So the thing I really noticed was going to the event, like driving to the event, normally, like the day of, when I fight, I'm quiet. I don't speak really at all. I'm really focused. And on the way to the event, I was in that same mode, you know, and I was thinking to myself, why am I in the same mode? It's different, but, you know, I've done it for so long i know i could go out there and compete sort of get in a groove exactly right but i was i put it in my head then i was like i'm gonna go out and have fun you know

i'm gonna go out and have fun it's just gonna be awesome so i was nervous it's a little different i was a little more excited than like actually like being nervous yeah like more jitters right some jitters yeah you know Some jitters, yeah. Just like, okay, I know what we're going to do when we go out there. Is it going to translate well? Are the fans going to like it? Are the people watching TV going to like it? Were you worried that the fans wouldn't be behind you right away? I mean, you're Cain Velasquez.

I wasn't sure, man. At TripleMania, come on. Talking to Conan from AAA, it was just like, I had a long talk with him the night before. Like, we went over, we saw film on different things. We talked about, like, kind of like psychology of wrestling. And he was just like, if you're out there and you're 100% real, then the fans will see that. Yeah. You have the passion for it.

And if you don't, then they'll see that, too too and then they'll boo the shit out of you yeah so i took that in very into consideration you know going in and um just yeah man i mean i was just dove all in you know from the beginning and that's that was just my intention always you right i did i do it for a reason i don't do it just because. I do it because I love it. So I remember right before I'm about to go out, I'm ready. I'm pumped. I'm freaking jumping up in the back, getting ready to go out and do my walk. And I do my walk and everything. I know what I'm supposed to do.

As soon as I get to the ring, I'm like, hey, guys, what are we doing? Oh, you went blank? It was like, yeah. Too caught up in the entrance maybe the moment yeah because that entrance was awesome you came out in the full el toro attire what was the inspiration behind that the el toro attire um well in mexico they um my nickname is is is caín el toro velazquez right yep it's el toro so i wanted to do that. I wanted to do, like, you know, a mask with El Toro, you know what I mean? It's a beautiful mask.

You got it here. Thank you. Did you have it made by, like, you know, an esteemed, like, mask maker? Yeah, the guys there from AAA. Oscar. Yeah. Oscar Garcia Jimenez. He makes the Rey Mysterio's mask.

Okay, so yeah. He's an okay so yeah I'm sure probably the greatest oh Drago as well Drago's masks are they look like something out of like a VFX workshop I don't even know how he wrestles in those things but you have this match it's a six man tag and you fucking crush it like beyond I mean

the gifts I'm sure you saw immediately afterwards that everyone is going crazy of the gifts i'm sure you saw immediately afterwards that everyone is going crazy of the hurricane rana and you know you did the the flip over you absolutely crushed it cody rhodes afterwards who's in the match said uh said he should not have been that good but he was your boy dc had his instagram stories going wild he's screaming his head off in his living room what was the feedback like immediately when you get back to the locker room like you said it was just positive it was like everybody was surprised and were you thrilled did you know you crushed it right away or are you like oh i fucking

destroyed i know i know i did i went out there and i did what i was supposed to do and like the fans were into it and i was into it you know yeah i had a blast out there i had so much fun i was like like this is fucking the coolest thing ever when i was out there were there any moments out there where someone is maybe you're on the apron waiting to get tagged into someone's like isn't this fucking cool kane i was thinking to myself man this is like i literally was like in the moment i'm kind of getting beat up and i'm just like like i was meant for this yeah i was born for you know that's exactly what just went through my mind. And it's just because it was so much fun.

The people, after we were done with everything, we were on the back. And I'm just hearing, like, people talk about it, you know, what people are saying out there. And it was, for me, I was just, like, the whole night just surprised by the fans being surprised. Yeah. You know, it was almost like a dream i was super surprised i was almost in shock i was like telling my wife the whole night like what just happened you know what i mean what did she think what she she was like it was awesome it was freaking like it was amazing she was like thrilled being like i don't have to go watch you like fight like i'm going to watch you pretend to fight yes yes um speaking of pretending to fight and being an mma fighter going into wrestling as i was a wrestling fan first brock lesnar was actually

the person that got me into ufc ufc 81 when he fought frank meir i was like oh this guy from wrestling is going into this other thing let me check it out from there on out i was i was a you know mma fan there's always been a stigma i feel with mma fans with combat sports fans who kind of look down on wrestling and they say you know it's fake this that the next thing i feel they don't really understand why people watch wrestling it's it's not about any of the fake stuff it's it's about the stories it's about the the personalities it's about the the real life stories as well you look at you know the over the years the stone colds the dan. It's about the personalities. It's about the real-life stories as well. You look at over the years, the Stone Colds, the Daniel Bryans, the Mick Foley's where their real-life persona bleeds through. How would you like sell wrestling to these people? How would you describe wrestling to skeptics?

To skeptics? You kind of just have to – all those stigmas and stuff. It's the same thing with the movie, right? The movie is not real. Yeah. But you get invested. Definitely. Why? Because you give it a chance. You take those stigmas and stuff you know it's the same thing with the movie right a movie is not real yeah you get invested definitely why because you give it a chance you take those stigmas out like out of your mind you watch it you get entertained it's the same thing um every time i go out and watch a wrestling event whether it be lucha whether it be any type of wrestling like i'm i get invested i'm in there i'm watching um it's all about just letting loose and freaking having fun out there yeah as a fan as well you know yelling what you want to

yell definitely root for the uh the rudos or the technicals like the bad guys or the good guys whatever you want to do you go out there and have fun and scream and that and that's that's what it's about and i think people forget like how much fun it is to be in the crowd at a wrestling show because I've taken some friends that are like, oh, I watched the Attitude Era, and then I'll take them to an indie wrestling show where people are doing moves that they've never seen before and they're immediately – it's like they're a kid again. Do you watch wrestling now through a different lens, through the lens of a pro wrestler? I do.

Trying to learn where you can? Yeah, yeah. I just watch as much as I can to learn. Are you like a guy that watches anything? Are you like, I like watching tag matches. I like watching old school stuff. I like watching new school stuff. What do you, if you're flipping something on just to watch wrestling?

Just to watch wrestling. It could be old or new lucha, lucha stuff. I like how fast it is. I like the acrobatic moves that they do. It's a little more fluid, right, with the arm drags. And Lucha arm drags have a little more fluidity to them and stuff. I like that. I like that aspect to them.

Again, like, yeah, it flows. It's a very flowy type of performance. I like watching that. And my son, he's a year and a half, and he's watching it. He loves it. Already? He's wrestling already. My daughter's 10.

She's watching it, and my wife as well. You know, we're all watching it. We're all, like, practicing, like, in the living room. But it's just watching as much as we can, whether it be just kind of be open to everything, you know, because you can always learn from everything. So I'm just watching different matches as much as I can, yeah, trying to learn as much as I can. I love that.

So what are you out to accomplish in wrestling? What do you want, you know, when people look back at Kane's time in pro wrestling, what do you want people to say? I want people to say for myself, my goal in the sport is to be the best that has ever done it already that you're like diving full-fledged and are you so you're not retired from mma though i'm not retired from mma now that's that's still on the table yes but

wrestling would you say is your main focus right now i have uh so with the two shows that I have coming up with triple a, the one on September 15th and the one in October 13th. Yep. Um, again, I don't do things just to do them. And I do things to, to be the best at them. Yeah.

You know, and, um, that's, that's the mentality that I have to have going into whatever I do. And that's the same thing with fighting. The same thing with, again, with whatever I do. Um, I have to have going into whatever I do. And that's the same thing with fighting, the same thing, again, with whatever I do. I have to have that mentality

that I'm going to be the best that I can at it, and I'm going to do everything I can to get there. I love that. Do you have any specific dream matches in mind for yourself? I know it's super early on still, but just in your mind of wrestlers that you love watching that, you're like, I would love to get in the ring with them? I haven't really thought of that. No what about what about let's say uh let's say alive or dead

like dream matches of your favorite wrestlers in the past maybe even like in their prime you could you could wrestle anyone in their prime well santos for sure yeah was he is he your number one he was because it was more for me it was a thing of you know that was my like my first yeah a wrestling hero yeah growing up right that was my first you know wrestling hero so so definitely him and then um moving on to like to wwe when i was watching it um razor ramon yeah it's freaking awesome you know and his like uh dusty roads yep like just all those all those different guys back then like i was watching it and then just became a fan of each guy because it's something that that they did whether it was how they wrestled or whether it was their you know their their character yeah

and dusty roads a guy who you could say he's the greatest promo of all time his his promos you know his uh hard times promo. You could watch a thousand times, still brings a tear to your eye. We haven't even touched on this, the promo aspect of wrestling. How has been getting used to that in terms of like in the past that you're like, yeah, I'll knock that guy the fuck out. And then you could go do it. But in wrestling, you actually have to like sell a match and sell you know maybe the possibility that you could lose or whatever yeah for me um because of fighting it's opened up doors to like for me that to try acting yeah and for me doing that has been um it's something that that i like to do as well um it's crazy like in college i've even i even took like some acting classes as well, you know, with not even knowing just to try it, right?

Yeah. Just to, you know, get it out of my skin. Did you start like remembering things from your college acting class when you got into wrestling? Like, oh, Miss So-and-So said to use this inflection. No, no, I didn't. But it was just crazy because I wasn't the type of guy to do that, you know, to do those type of things.

And that was kind of a big step for me, to kind of perform in front of an audience where I wasn't the type of guy to do that, you know, to do those type of things. And that was kind of a big step for me, to kind of perform in front of an audience where I wasn't myself. It is. And I think just with time, with doing things for fighting, it's got me better at it, or more comfortable. I feel more comfortable out there performing. So I really like the acting part of of anything whether it be commercials movies um you know pro wrestling as well so um it's been a lot of fun yeah awesome

i got one more question for you what are the odds that we one day see cain velasquez versus daniel cormier in the squared circle in a pro wrestling ring. Versus or tag team. I don't hate that either. The freaking greatest tag team. I also don't hate maybe Kane versus Brock in the ring. We can do that. Kane versus Brock in the ring. Kane versus DC in the ring.

I mean, I feel like there's so many people in the UFC right now. I mean, even Derek Lewis could probably transition over with them. My balls was hot. I mean, he's a hysterical heavyweight, so I don't know. Definitely. Maybe we have to transition, get a whole, like, invasion coming on. Yeah. I think once Daniel wants, you know, if he does want to try out the wrestling,

which I think he will. I mean, a fight with Stipe. Hit him with an attitude adjustment in the first round. Yeah. He's already doing it in the octagon. Yeah. So, I mean, I think being uh i think a tag team with him would would be awesome you need to do like one match or anything you know definitely

that would be freaking cool some sweet aka gear aka el toro gear you get him you get him a lucha mask yes would be kind of unreal awesome yeah no it would it would so we'll see we're gonna we're gonna definitely try. At the very least, at the very least, he has to manage you. At the very least. Manage you. He takes a little bump off the apron, Bobby Heenan style. There you go.

He'll be giving those bumps back. All right, Kane, thank you so much. Wish you the best of luck. And you can check him out at AAA Invading New York on September 15th at the Garden, the theater underneath the Garden, AAA Invading LA on October 13th at the Forum. Tickets are available on Ticketmaster.com. You can order both on pay-per-view. Thank you so much to Kane for joining the show.

I cannot wait to see what he does in the future. If you haven't seen his debut, go back, check out my blog about it. You could probably just go to Barstool Sports, type in the search bar Kane Velasquez. I mean, you know what, I'm saying that, you probably can't do that. Our search function sucks. It always has, it might stay that way for eternity, that's kind of the Barstool difference, but hey, fuck it. You could definitely go find a gif of that Hurricane Rana we were talking about before. It's the simple stuff, but man, for his first match, it was insane. Next week, we will be back coming at you with an amazing guest,

a guest that I've been wanting to get on this show for a long time. And we're finally going to be able to make it happen. So make sure you're subscribed and I'll talk to you then.