My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 261 - 'ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA' REVIEW WITH CLEM!

Episode Date: February 16, 2023

Robbie and Clem head down to the Quantum Realm to review what may be the most polarizing movie in the history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe! Did it live up to the hype for the Basement Boys, or were they disappointed? 3Chi: Use code BASEMENT15 for 15% off your complete order at 3Chi.com! Gametime: Redeem code MMB on the Gametime app for $20 off your first purchase! Factor: Head to FACTORMEALS.com/robbie50 and use promo code robbie50 for 50% off your first box! **************************************** Subscribe to My Mom's Basement on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIeZ96PqdsJYQ7DFLRx6MHw My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello, and welcome to My Mom's Basement, presented by Barstool Sports and 3Chi. I am your host, Robbie Fox, and with me is the wasp to my Ant-Man, Clem. We are here to talk about Ant-Man and the wasp, Quantumania, today, which we saw in IMAX early. Check this out. If you're watching on youtube we got these quantum sized tickets there i mean they call them quantum size but wouldn't that mean it's a super small ticket we got super big tickets yeah they like shunk us down and then

they give us regular tickets with them become giant tickets is how i would figure it out so that was that was very cool i was a very cool little part of the basement boys got an early screening right so we're recording this on Wednesday Before it comes out And I hope this helps the podcast quality Since we kind of have had a few days to marinate on it I've had a few days To see all the other reviews come in

Which have not been great so far I think it's fair to say It's been very fair to say it's not been great This is the lowest reviewed Marvel movie In the history of Rotten Tomatoes. It's the only it's only the second Marvel movie to have a rotten rating, the first being Eternals. And this one is dropping and dropping and dropping. I think it was at fifty four, fifty three the last time I checked.

We knew it would be polarizing. Like when we looked at each other after the movie ended, it wasn't the high five. That was Endgame. We're so proud to be marvel fans it was like all right there was some good stuff in that right it was yeah we could we could pull some great stuff out of that and i don't want to give people the impression that i hated ant-man and the wasp once made it because i didn't i enjoyed myself in the theater and everything it's a movie with a lot of great stuff in it, but I'm not sure it's a great movie.

There are stretches of the movie that I would also say are great, but as a whole, it did feel pretty messy. I wanted, uh, you know, we're not going to go into full spoilers yet, but I wanted Kang's presence to feel a little scarier.

I wanted the movie's tone to be a little darker. And I thought the comedy was verging on love and thunder levels at times which i was pretty much okay with in love and thunder and i thought it was better for that story in the story of the the kang first entry to this saga it felt a little out of place there was some stuff that i really did love though and what we'll get to all of that but yeah as a whole not a total swing and miss but not a home run that we thought it would be no i'd say it's it's definitely being logged in the books isn't out you know it's not even a hit you're not getting a walk it's definitely an out and it's i mean if you heard our uh we've we've

kind of been building to this through all the trailer breakdowns and just looking forward to the mcu in this phase and this year in 2023 And it felt like this was Going to be a very important movie We had that one producer who said It was going to be on the level of Civil War In terms of its importance He had this epic sci-fi war

He had all this kind of stuff And we're just like oh man And I don't know if it's fair or not You bring up like Civil War to Marvel fans And they're going to say, I expect Civil War quality or at least an airport level moment that is like, holy shit. And we didn't get that. And people have been asking us, which is like, this is I think the first time where I've had a movie that I saw like a few days before it came out. And I just wanted to kind of just give people our thoughts on it because i've seen a lot of people say i see the critics are killing on raw tomatoes which makes me think it's going to be even better because a lot of times there is a disconnect between the critics

and the audience and i like to think that me and you are fans we're not really we're not critics at all i again when i need to know something about movie making i go all right let me ask jeff let me ask jeff because i am a moron i just know what i like in the screen i still don't know what producers do in movies if anyone could tell me i don't even really know what directors do i think they're the ones who hit record on the camera right i don't know i am not that would be the director of photography would probably hit record on the camera directors will she do this thing no they don't do that either that's like an assistant director tells them you know he directs the scene he tells where the camera should be where to how to portray the role and all that kind of stuff i thought he did like a couple things like that too but i also thought

he did this little stuff i guess it makes sense that's why we have to wait through three million hours of credits to get like the best part of this movie to be honest which for the people that haven't seen it yet i'd say the post credits are one of the best parts and most important things it's just i know if i spent money like 25 on a ticket two hours of my time and all that and then walked out of the theater i'd be like i feel a little pissed and i think a lot of people are going to probably listen to this a little upset i hope that and people may love it whatever i'm after the last jedi which is the last time i saw a rating just slowly nosedive like this was uh the last jedi and this isn't a bombing like the critics don't bomb as far as i can tell they don't review bomb stuff uh i hope

people they got to like readjust their expectations a little bit but for me personally without getting the spoilers like the first half of the movie was a completely different thing than the second half. If they kind of made the second half of the movie a good chunk of the movie, I think it would have been a lot better. And listen, I just watched Ant-Man 1 and 2 going into this for the first time. It doesn't feel like an Ant-Man at all. I didn't think it was going to feel like an Ant-Man movie. It felt like the stakes were too big almost to have a kind of movie like that. So they got rid of the Ant-Man stuff, which everyone likes. And then they didn't give us kind of the over the top epics that we've had in the past and say your Captain America's or maybe,

you know, Avengers things. And it kind of just left us in this weird middle. And I have to say, I should have known this was going to be the case because again, going behind the scenes here, behind the curtain, Robbie and I, we got our seats. We went down to get popcorn. And we realized, we looked at the line. There's a huge line for popcorn. And the way the screener works is you go and as soon as 7 o'clock hits, lights go off, movie goes on. You don't have 20 minutes of trailers. And I'm like, Bob, we're going to miss.

And the fat guy made the call. I said, Bob, I don't think we can do popcorn. Let's just go up and we'll just watch the movie. I would have loved to have a big fat cherry Coke, get my popcorn. And that's the best way to watch the movie. Maybe the movie is better with like popcorn. It just triggered. We had nothing.

We were dry. Yeah. We watched the movie dry. Robbie said, oh man, I almost packed some fun dip before I left the house today. Like we're like, like seven year olds that need to have candy as we're watching the movie and hey again maybe if that butter was going through my veins it like unleashes it it's like drinking the poop of that guy and everything just understand everything but i was just like what the fuck was that so uh i have to say uh it was

kind of a bummer i i will i'll say, I'll say this, the, the, the post credits, which we'll get into and the goodbye yellow brick road remix, I think were the best parts of a quantum media. And that wasn't even in the movie, right? It was a trailer. Yeah. I thought they were going to play it a couple of times. I'm like,

all right, here we go. At least this is when we're going to get fucking gnarly and get out. Sir Elton tickling the ivories. And we just kind of got A very weird disjointed movie I kind of understand That's a good word to describe this movie It's disjointed

I trust the foggy still I do trust the foggy But there is something in the back of my head now Where I'm worried So it's like I think we said this in the preview I thought you had a hit on Quantumania I thought you had a hit

At least like a solid single where you're not even hustling to just you know into the i would call it a single personally i would call it a single but i thought they had a home run on their hands i guess maybe you could call it a single just because the stuff that does land lands but it's almost like this is how i, this phase, or maybe like this, the multiverse saga, I felt like we just hit a bunch of, a bunch of turbulence and they're like, everything's fine. Don't worry. It's going to be a little couple of bumps over here in the, in the,

you know, over the great lakes, but I'm still just in the back of my head. Like, yeah, but like, we're still like, I know that there's thunderstorms in Kansas right now. And I know like, I feel like we're going to hit a couple more bumps and I thought this was going to be the smoothest part of the ride, except for the guardians thing. I feel like guardians kind of has to carry the MCU for 2023.

Now, now they have to, the seatbelt button is still on. That's for sure. Yes. We need to get to the point where we turn that off and we're chilling and we're back in the MCU. We know and love,

and I don't want to harp on like the MCUs on a downward path because the last movie they put out, Black Panther, Wakanda Forever, was pretty fucking great. I thought that was like really, really good. It's on Disney Plus now. I know they put The Assembled on there. I got to check that out. But let's get into Ant-Man and the Wasp, Quantumania, spoilers,

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there's no sites out there where i could go to and like get a plot summary or description at all so this is just off the noggin i i was like i was like wait do we record this after i was like i could watch my guy heavy spoilers break down the entire thing and then i'll have maybe there's some things i miss some things that i'll like more and you're like now those really don't come out until the movie i was like fuck god damn it so we're kind of just going off it and hey maybe i'm going to recommend this to people if anyone actually listens if people don't want to see the movie that's the other thing i'm like, go to the theater. If you want to see it in theater. Yeah.

But honestly, like it's like, if you don't want, if you want to wait till Disney plus, if you're not a diehard or you just want to like have the basement boys kind of tell you what happened. And then you see it at some other point, you can do that too.

I do think though, like the stuff at the end is better and bigger. That is probably worth the, you know, price of admission just to go. So I agree with that. And the post-credit scene, like you said, is incredible. i agree with that and the post-credit scene like you said is incredible it's one of my favorite post-credit scenes we've ever gotten

in marvel like if i just paid for that i think i'd be okay so the cold open of the movie is janet in the quantum realm michelle pfeiffer she sees a ship crash and it's kang it's kang it's kang the first two seconds of the movie we get jonathan majors and i'm like fuck yeah this is gonna be the fucking kang movie it's gonna be like thanos and infinity war where kang is practically the main character of this movie we don't see kang for another hour so he's he's gone and that was the first thing where his presence is definitely felt everyone's talking about him like he's fucking voldemort they're like he is scary he is the one you don't want to mess with he is the conqueror nobody really says kang till an hour into the movie that was the first issue where maybe i shouldn't have expected that it is an ant-man movie after all the kang dynasty will probably

be that movie for kang but i think the hype about kang this is the first big thanos level threat since thanos he didn't really feel like Like a Thanos level threat to me in this Movie and that might Be because we didn't spend enough time with him Because when we did spend time with him I loved him I thought he was the best part of the movie Yep if you It's almost like maybe they should have had a Ronin

Who could they could still have Kang and like Modok could be the Ronin and he's the Guy who is the villain Yet you still know that he has someone above him on the York chart that he has to report to. Because every minute without Kang, and again, maybe it's just my brain, but I don't think so. I just, the first half of that movie, there was something missing,

and maybe it could have been him. It could have been anything else. It just felt off. So I was with you. I was like, here we go. Let's rock and roll i thought pfeiffer was good i loved having michelle pfeiffer down there and kind of just seeing how how she operated during that time and then it just it kind of even the ant-man stuff when we're you know for

the little limited time that they were just normal sized up in san francisco that was fun too that was perfectly it was it was 10 minutes but it was fun like that was it felt that was the only portion of the movie that felt like the other two ant-man movies we're making the baskin robbins jokes employee of the century he's giving the children his like autobiography reading at the bookstore and then he gets a call that cassie's in jail the first thing that i thought and this is going to sound bad to some people i'm going to put it out there it's one of those things that i can't put in writing, but I was like, oh my God, he's getting the call.

Like George W. Bush reading a, he was literally like, they were like your daughter's in jail and he was like, well, I got to finish this chapter and then I'll, I'll attend to it. Um, he goes to jail and we were debating what did Cassie do to get put in jail? She probably did something for the better of other people. Robin hood like task, right?

She did. She shrunk a cop car because cops were trying to get these homeless people that were displaced because of the blip out of a park. So she just shrunk their car. They put her in jail on the way out. She puts like the toy cop car on the counter that I loved that. I was like, that's awesome. Cassie's great. Then I kind of I kind of turn on Cassie for the rest of the movie.

I really did not like how her character was written. It goes right to the dinner where they let it slip that she's got her own suit and she's doing her inventions. And then they all shit on Scott Lang for not really wanting to be a superhero anymore. And I didn't know if we were supposed to be on their side narratively. Are we supposed to be like, yeah, Scott Lang, you're a hero. Continue saving the world. Because in my mind, I was like, I'm with him. He just fucking saved the literal universe not just the world he saved the universe let him

fucking chill for the next couple years yeah uh a thousand percent he is the dude who kind of like put it all together he wasn't the top billing there but he was a huge part of it and even cassie i i like cassie i like her and this is someone that didn't like i didn't i knew her first from endgame because i didn't watch the first two ant-man movies until recently and i'll tell you i saw her outfit at comic-con a couple whenever they announced this movie and i was like oh my god that is a goddamn i'm like that better not be the same you little girl that i just watched it and but it just is weird it feels like they kind of tried to level her up but then they weren't leveling her up too

much and then i'm like but she's also facing a fucking killing machine it just that entire thing was just joined it i'm with you i we haven't we didn't talk about this at all i'm at the dinner table with them and i'm like what am i supposed to think right now because i feel like i'm the opposite of the way it's supposed to be going so yeah uh with scott and all that that was one part that definitely didn't land as well yeah so they go down to the basement to check out cassie's new invention and this is the scene that you've seen all over the trailers where it's the quantum realm satellite michelle fiverr's like what you're sending a signal down to the quantum realm of course they all get sucked into it along with some ants that hank was experimenting with that'll

be important later keep that in mind and then for the next hour ant-man turns into a straight-up star wars movie we both said the same thing to each other visually even some of the characters that appear are star wars and it's cool in that like i love star wars but it was almost a little too star wars you know it was star wars mixed with like spy kids 3 which i don't say that in the book of boba fett like cheesy spy kids way the cgi was mostly good in this movie but it did look spy kids 3-esque and there was a lot of cgi and i know there's the people who get really mad about the cgi levels or if there's a lot of it and i think that's gonna be a very before if i can put money on the term CGI trending by this time tomorrow,

basically, I'd, like, empty the bank account. Responsibly empty the bank account. Did you think there was bad CG, though? I don't know CG, good, bad. You know what I mean? I'm, like, again, I guess if it was really bad, I would notice it was fine. It just was too much. We were looking at IMAX.

We got lucky to have an IMAX theater, which was very cool. And people were like, should I spend the extra money on the imax or the 3d and i'm like i guess it can make it a little better but i i just found myself annoyed at this part because i didn't really like it it was almost as if they had an ant-man script the ant-man quantum mania script and they had a star wars script for a future movie they put disney put it on the table mickey mouse's car he put him on table he knocked a glass of water onto them and it like bled together into this weird movie that was half mcu half star wars and it was even like it was the obviously like the aliens and the weird creatures but even like the star wars has that thing where it's not like

post-apocalyptic it's like a it's it's from another galaxy and it's not like post-apocalyptic. It's from another galaxy and it's kind of like everything's a little dusty. The Empire's coming after everyone as well. The Emperor's alive again. How did the Emperor come back for a third fucking time? Somehow, Palpatine has made it into this multiverse. Oscar Isaac shows up. That would be great.

But they all get split up. So the groups are Scott and Cassie, him with his daughter, and then Hope with her parents, Janet and Hank. And they're both in very cool, very unique environments. Scott and Cassie are taken in by Quantum People after a quick fight. And I listed the Quantum People's names. Quantum People, I like that. Their names to me are Jelly Guy, Lighthead, Translator, and Warrior Girl.

Yes. I don't know any of their names. I don't know if they're comic book characters. I don't know if they're new characters from Marvel studios. Jose will join us hopefully next week to break down all of the comic relations in this movie and where they could have gone, where they could go. And break down all things.

Kang. That's the number one. Exactly. And let me tell you about those people. Light man. I called her in my mind. I called her Xena. She was, you know those people. Light Man. I called her. In my mind, I called her Xena. She was Xena, like Space Warrior Princess.

I do not give a flying fuck about these people. I don't want to see these people on my screen again. And by screen, I mean movie screen, TV screen during Disney+. I don't even want to see them as a fucking ad on my phone. I do not give a fuck about them or their little quantum world they lived in. I'm sure it's important to them. I did not give a fuck about any of them little quantum world they lived in. I'm sure it's important to them. I did not give a fuck about any of them. Actually, Mind Reader Guy was cool.

I liked him. I was going to say Jelly Guy I liked the best. Yeah, Jelly Guy was all right, but he kept pushing. The other ones I didn't give a fuck about, but yeah, by the end, Jelly Guy maybe got a little, it was a bit much as Rocket Raccoon would say. But I liked Jelly Guy. He was the one that I would be okay with coming back. Lighthead had a cool design and his like powers and everything, which, you know, rest in peace, spoiler alert,

Lighthead's gone by the end of the movie. I like Warrior Girl, the translator. I didn't care much for the Warrior Girl. I did not like the Warrior Girl at all. And when Cassie's telling Scott, oh my God, they're at war. What? Just because it's their war war it's not worth fighting it's like bitch you've been in the quantum realm for 30 seconds scott the last time he was here

he's gone five years scott was like what about your mom like you could be missing out on her entire we could come back 500 years later the fact that she made it to the quantum realm two seconds was like we need to fight this war inside this tiny people zone get the fuck out of here that was crazy. I forgot about that. That was one thing that really bothered me. That's part of the Cassie stuff that I hated as well. And someone said she always is like on a ledge and was scared she's going to fall.

Like that was a thing. And yeah, like, bitch, this guy saved the actual universe, including everyone probably in this realm. Lighthead guy I thought was so cool looking in the trailer. Right. And I was like, fuck yeah. And by the end of this so i take it back i do want to see these guys again except i want it to be the guardians get shrunk down to the quantum and then kill whoever's still fucking alive because i hate all these fucks i hated them i hated them i hated that hour i'll never thank god this movie was only two hours and nine minutes long because if it was like two hours and 49 minutes long and i had that extra 40 minutes i was in that movie theater i would have been cranky as a motherfucker you could hear the

dad voice is coming out right now yeah i would have been even crankier if i had to go through all that it was dude i just kept thinking like and it's like not good star wars it was bad star wars movie that was going on on our screen man it was and but it was like goofy there was it was like a little goofier which yeah i guess that was the ant-man getting mixed into the ether of this little stew that they created but it was it was just i don't know it was not good if you liked it you liked it but not these guys so they go and get taken in kind of in a return of the jedi ewok situation i i called it in like a ritual and they're all chanting something they're chanting drink the ooze because this ooze will help them understand everyone it's like a translation ooze

which i actually thought was a really cool concept and then the other gang goes to a bar following janet's lead when she kind of like messes someone up with a knife and then they regrow it and they're like oh i'm all good we're old friends or whatever i got worried when that happened i got worried i was like oh we're gonna kind of go down this like i've seen this movie before you know yeah so they go to a bar and they do shots of the translation drink which i thought the ooze was one thing when they were doing shots of it i was like that's a fucking cool thing to have in the quantum realm yes being able to under every understand everything and like that's something i i thought that was probably one of my things. I liked more about this.

That's right. And by the way, I was laughing before, because I was looking at my notes and all I just wrote was fuck the rebels. I just hate that group of people, which is tough. Like the way you describe these people to us is like,

they're under oppression from this evil empire. And we're like, we don't give a fuck, like fuck them. That's an issue. You got to write those characters better. I was rooting for Kang to kill all of them by the end of the movie and i was upset when he didn't were you rooting for king to kill cassie be honest by the end of the movie yeah yeah cassie she could yeah she could

have been gone and i don't you know i feel bad saying that because i know every one of these movies that there's the people that fuck american chavez fuck they'll just pick the girl character and they say she's the worst written whatever i really felt like they didn't do a good job writing cassie in this and i thought they did a great job writing her in the previous movies which she was younger it's almost a different character at this point but i it really irked me and there's something that i'll get to later that irks me more than everything i've mentioned about you want that little girl dead bob say it say i want that little girl dead say it You want that little girl dead, Bob? Say it. Say, I want that little girl dead. Say it. I want that little girl dead. Oh my God, you still said it.

I didn't think you were going to say it. I pulled up her picture. You just said you wanted little sweet cats dead. I can't believe it. It's a different actress, you know? Even younger, she's missing her two front teeth. You still want her dead? Oh, I can't say I'm missing the two front teeth. That's like six-year-old Gassie from the first one.

Don't walk it back, Bob. Yeah, I yeah i still wanted that find me another find me another review that is going back and one of the hosts is wishing death on the little baby girl oh my god in this movie she was such an issue just such an issue i was just like shut the fuck up cassie you're ruining everything but like just your actions she was ruining everything she wasn't ruining it like just by saying stuff and getting in scott's head so yeah i'm with you on that bob so they go into this bar to meet an old friend of janet's named crylar and the way they were building him up is like he's someone of importance we see the ship coming in from afar and having this almost grand landing. I turned to you.

I was like, I bet this is fucking Bill Murray. And who is it? But Bill Murray, he walks out and we realize it's Bill Murray playing Lando Calrissian. Essentially, he was a smuggler type where he is now a higher ranking and he knew Janet. Maybe they had a little thing. He alludes to that a couple of times, which was one of the funnier jokes in the movie, thought where he's like oh yeah things got wild and hank's like how wild they're like yeah you wouldn't want to know man you wouldn't want to know very han solo lando princess leia vibes down to him betraying our heroes for the evil empire it was and it also it felt like you said

with lando it was a go bill murray is now a star wars character as well this is this is kind of cool we got two birds one stone he's in marvel and he's in that just like the look on hank's face as he's like my sweet beautiful wife that i thought was just in the middle of nowhere for 30 years and she was just getting banged out by fucking bill murray and like let's be honest bill wasn't the only one there at that you know when they were like aliens were getting in on fifer fifer and like fifer was given and taken i'm telling you like in that little world they're eating fucking like jellyfish or whatever to to it's like a squid and there was a great moment where they throw a pin particle to squid at the end and the squid that he was eating is now eating him and they don't show you his death at the end, which to me was almost like the collector in Infinity War where they're like, we like this guy.

He's a zany character. We might want to bring him back. Let's not show the death, but let's just imply it. That's that's actually a great call. And I'm telling you, like, Hank is probably like, so that's where Janet picked up that new trick we learned in the bedroom. You know, she's fucking, you know, electrocuting me or some shit like that. Like, there is some weird shit that goes on in that quantum realm. I did not see any of this coming when this movie started, too.

And by the way, Bill Murray, he kind of had, like, Peter Venkman vibes about him when he was doing that, right? Like, you know, when he does the card and he keeps giving the blonde girl the right answers and the poor curly head, like, like he was just him hank was just getting fucking bitched in this movie and again after watching the first two i realized hank pimp's kind of a dick i'm kind of happy he got it back at him and he found out his wife is getting turned out by fucking sea urchins down at the quantum realm all right we got to cut the podcast off real quick to tell everyone about game time game time is the exclusive ticketing partner of barstool sports and we love game time created by fansTime. GameTime is the exclusive ticketing partner of Barstool Sports, and we love GameTime. Created by fans for fans,

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first two ant-man movies for the first time we talked about hank being a bit of a hard ass bit of a dick did you feel like he was different in this movie i felt like the hank we got in quantumania was almost like empire strikes back yoda compared to the prequels yoda where he was a little zanier and a little more wild just give me something that gets me drunk where i felt like in the last two movies he was a little more like wearing a suit and brilliant this one he's a little crazy he's crazy he's a little softer too and i'm i didn't know he was almost a grandpa hank too right now that he has cassie in the mix too so i i don't know how that i hey i guess getting blipped away and brought back could definitely do that to you as well but i got the same vibes he was kind of he was kind of just a silly asshole who i mean

at his core he is a guy that just loves ants so i guess by the end when he comes with the ants too like it it was played like a badass dramatic moment but i was almost still like in that like this is our funny guy mode we didn't have michael pena in this one we didn't have lewis so he was almost the funny character and modok i guess to a degree which i actually will get to modok but i like modok modok landed um yeah like based on our theater there was a good amount of laughs people enjoyed the way it all went down uh it it's i guess it could have been better but i think yeah i was i was perfectly fine with modok no loose sucks so it sucks he he is such a big part of the ant-man movies and they again if you're gonna take him out and you're like all right this isn't your typical ant-man that's fine but then it was so far it wasn't like a

typical it wasn't a big marvel blockbuster so i think they could have still i don't know it's like if you're not gonna have them in there they didn't have anything good to replace them with and there were not nearly enough laughs in the theater i thought for no no and in a huge imax theater no every every laugh felt like a breath of fresh air it's like oh thank god like we were able to like recharge the batteries i don't need every marvel movie to be hilarious sometimes that is like the flaw with the guardians movies is they kind of follow up these dramatic moments with like i'm like we didn't really need to laugh there sometimes, but man, this was tough. Yeah. So Kang attacks the quantum people and sends Modok after Scott and Cassie and Modok is, if you're not aware, Darren Cross, AKA yellow jacket from the

first movie. And that reveal was pretty cool seeing Cassie so afraid and almost like a PTSD of this was the guy in my room when I was six, that was a well-played moment. Cassie so afraid and almost like a PTSD of this was the guy in my room when I was six. That was a well-played moment. Cassie at some point, I don't know if it's at this point in the movie, but this is what really fucking pissed me off. She reveals she has her own suit in the quantum realm. Why didn't you hit that suit on your chest and put it on the second you were transported down there? There was moments where she was dangling off a cliff she was running away no suit and ant-man had to turn into giant man and save her ass

multiple times was she afraid that scott was going to be angry at her my dad's going to be angry that i have a suit you're in the fucking quantum realm you got your whole family stuck in the quantum realm he's not going to be any madder than that why did it take her so long to reveal the suit that's actually a great point. I remember being angry about it. And I guess that's what I was angry. I'm like, oh, so we're just going to have the suit now. And she kind of knows what she's doing, but she doesn't know.

So it's kind of a tutorial on the fly. I don't agree with what you said. It really irked me. I still don't agree with what you said about little sweet young Cassie. However, I'm starting to understand a little bit. I'm starting understand that's all i'm gonna say bob so at this point in the movie i'm gonna be completely transparent with our listeners and watchers things get messy in my brain like i don't necessarily remember the order of what goes together but i wrote it down as best as i i could scott and cassie are jailed they get put in jail modok talks to them and kang comes into the frame for the first time we actually see jonathan majors

as kang and he has an amazing scene he fucking force chokes modok like he's darth vader he's like don't talk to me and he's so intimidating there's the line from the trailer you're an avenger have i killed you before he's like it all blends together at this point his presence was finally felt and it was really cool and he tells scott he needs him to fix his time chair and i think at this point we get the backstory kind of like from kang but also from janet telling hope and hank the backstory and this is far and away my favorite part of the movie was the flashbacks to the relationship between janet and kang how they met in the quantum realm and how it was was kang crashed and bonded with janet because she came up to him right away she was the first person to see him and rescue him

essentially for years they try everything to fix the chair that he crashed in that he says can take them out of the quantum realm it's the time chair the kang time chair that you know from the comics and everything eventually years later they find something that works they repair the engine and just as janet goes to put the engine back in the chair she gets a flash almost like ray force awakens type flash where she sees kang's past she sees his future she sees that he is the conqueror of worlds. He kills many people. He probably wants to get out of the quantum realm just to kill more people, just to kill more worlds.

He reassures her like, listen, I got to do what I got to do, but if you help me get out of here, I'll make sure your world is fine. Like every other world, you know, all bets are off, but your world will be fine. She goes, fuck that. She hits the engine with a bunch of PIM particles, PIM pads, and she makes it gigantic, trapping them forever. And that is Kang's vendetta against Janet. And that's why everyone in the quantum realm

knows who she is. Kang has been building an army, building an empire to now conquer worlds, conquer the quantum realm, get out of the quantum realm eventually. And he needs Scott to fix that part of the engine. This was awesome, I thought. And it's kind of like a big stretch of the movie where Michelle Pfeiffer is one of the main characters. Her acting is as good as it's ever been. And against Jonathan Majors, I was like, all right, here's where the movie is about to pick up steam. And this is where the movie, in my opinion, gets great. Afterwards, it goes back to being a bit of a mess but for this stretch i was like all right we're finally in this movie that i wanted to say i when i say so like i said like in the pre-spoilers part

that first chunk of the movie the star wars part of the movie crumple it up throw it in the garbage throw it with the sequel trilogies throw it with the prequel trilogies, throw it with all that nonsense. No offense. Prequel Stan. This part is like, all right, this is what I signed up for. They could have that whole fucking other part. They could have just had like an Ant-Man movie where it was funny.

We had Lewis. We had all this kind of shit. They could have basically anything but what they had. And then like, oh, well well it comes back at the end that part could get thrown out too i really didn't need that this could have just been a 20 minute movie where she goes down to the quantum realm tells us all about kang and all that and you're just like shit and you know what bang for your buck i would have been fine with it and this is where i started getting the excitement i started really locking in and having fun with the movie so you said i feel like every time kang showed up we looked at each other

like oh shit it's the fucking guy now we'll get into like different parts of it beginning at kang when you're showing when he's force fucking people up and all that kind of stuff i'm like oh this guy's a badass dude then by the end i feel like he's kind of a. I'm like, oh, this guy's a badass dude. Then by the end, I feel like he's kind of a bitch. I'm like, did we get the bitch Kang? Like, are all those other Kangs out there, like, stronger? Or is this guy just, he's been in this world so long, doesn't have, like, all that shit together as technology. Is that why he's not as, again, the big purple guy has the big fucking,

those are size 23 fucking boots. We're looking to fill here. He going down to anybody in this fucking like, like this, his, the big, the, the,

the Titans biggest problem was kind of his own laziness. And he kind of let everyone do his bidding for him. And it wasn't until he fucking put the fucking gauntlet on and said, I'm going to do it myself that he actually did it you kind of see i think that's his biggest flaw in endgame is he just sits there waiting for everyone to do it let them do his bidding for him kang this kang i i felt like i feel like he kind of spit all his bars in the trailers too i feel like all the fucking his best lines were in the trailer all his like all his uh like we got the kang like he released all his singles and they're like oh we're gonna get his album and then you'll see i'm like all his uh like we got the king like he released all his singles and they're like oh

we're gonna get his album and then you'll see i'm like all the singles are all the good parts and everything else was kind of like and again i think he's by far the best part of the movie but i wish they kind of maybe held some more stuff in their pocket even the ending one of us has to lose that was the fucking end of the goddamn movie that they just showed us he's stomping out the helmet and i'm like there's no way they actually showed us that no they actually showed us yeah like everything in the trailer you saw pretty much the whole movie there was nothing there was no third act thing that they held away and there was a big surprise you saw a lot of the movie in the trailer that was an issue the whole one of the biggest issues with this movie is the marketing i think the way the producers came out

said it's going to be civil war this is the the next Thanos level threat, which I'm sure he will turn into. But he wasn't in this movie. He didn't feel like a guy who, I mean, Scott Lang got a lot of offense in on Kang. And granted, he got his ass kicked in that fight. Like he was really getting dismantled. But every time he hit Kang with a punch that seemed to hurt Kang, I cringed a little. I was like, oh no, but he's Kang though. Like he's supposed to be Kang.

Maybe the big threat. I'm not a comic comic reader I'm not a Kang comics guy we'll get Jose to talk about this maybe the threat isn't the singular Kang maybe it's the fact that there are a thousand million Kangs however many there are and the team up is the big threat but in this it was just it was tough to hear this is the next Thanos and in this movie he does not display that he doesn't show that he showed like he said he's kind of you get it at first obviously with the name they're not saying his name and then the conqueror you're hearing all this and then when he's just fucking them up just like thinking and he's you know holding people against their will and threatening to you know do stuff to cassie but then I feel like he just like, he ran out of batteries or something. I'm like, where is this bad dude that I've been like,

look, I'm kind of looking for a new villain. I'm in the villain market right now. Like my old guy turned into dust. I'm looking for a new guy to kind of, a little bad boy in my life. And this guy kind of had me by the short hairs at first. And now I'm kind of just like, eh, you kind of got washed by Ant-Manman like we're not talking iron man or cap or fucking

thor again we love him he's he's the intercontinental title circuit he's not in the heavyweight championship title circuit kind of kind of makes it look i wrote a whole fucking blog saying does anyone else feel that fucking kang is about to wipe the floor with ant-man and if anyone got the floor over them he was the fucking acting like the mobs for a little bit there. He was. He was, yeah. So Scott goes down to help him fix the engine and he meets all these different versions of himself.

This was the only part of the movie where the CGI looked a little wonky to me when there's multiple Scotts and there's the Baskin-Robbins Scott who wound up just working at Baskin-Robbins his whole life. I could have used more Scott variants that were a little funnier. Yes, I agree with that. The fact that there was just the one was a little weird.

It was like every scenario Scott becomes Ant-Man except the one. I would have gone for one where he's a criminal still and he's bald and he's got tattoos on his neck and one, you know, crazy stuff like that. You do get to see an Ant-Man. Scott who has the M has the familiar in his hand like we get confused for each other sometimes yeah we could fucking come on man you're marvel dude and like you're telling us there's endless variants and they all look the same that's not fun you're marvel you can it's like uh what do they call them their possibilities it's like yeah

have fun with this kind of shit don't give me a Star Wars movie for the first half and then not have fun with it. Like the thing about the multiverse and probability and all this kind of stuff, the possibilities, you can kind of have fun with it. And I like the Baskin Robbins one. I just thought they could have made that a little more fun. Like those are things,

those are misses that I think they could have had that would have like felt like big wins for us in the theater who was just looking for anything to like hold on to and be like all right i'm walking out of the theater satisfied right now yeah and you you do get one thing that you asked for pre-movie you said you wanted to see ant-man die a thousand times like he was kenny from south i called i thought it was gonna happen i don't know if i said i wanted it to happen i might have been on my kang fucking high at that point so i might have said i wanted to i didn't say i wanted his daughter to die let alone he didn't say that no she was a young child i'd say you said that i said that i said that but we do get to see one ant-man die in this movie he

gets sliced up by the engine and everything at this point i think hope comes down to save him here and cassie breaks out with the warrior girl and they, they do their thing. And Cassie gives the Andy circus speech from Andor where she's like, rise up, fight. She's in the hologram and everything. It's just not as good as the Andy circus one. It was, it felt a little,

eh, what's the, what's the like chant that they say one way out one way out. Yeah, exactly. It wasn't as good as the one way out or wasn't as good as the ready player one speech to get the army but here we get our epic sci-fi war movie which some of these scenes were epic for sure

when we see these massive uh droves of people just coming in to fight kang kang does get a few kills in he kills the light head guy he just disintegrates his head and everything i wanted to see him kill every single character we were introduced to that wasn't one of the and everything. I wanted to see him kill every single character we were introduced to. That wasn't one of the mains, right? Like I wanted to see him kill the light head, the translator, the jelly guy,

the jelly guy, especially because I liked him. I wanted to see can kill someone. I liked to really give me that heartbreak, like Thanos crushing Loki, you know, in the beginning of that movie, something like that.

He doesn't get enough though. We see people retreat. Scott comes in giant and he destroys a lot of the towers he hugs giant cassie and they do have a funny callback to civil war here where she's like i'm craving like citrus or a lime and he's like yeah it's citrus right yeah same thing with me so i like that i like what he said i feel like i'm hugging godzilla that was so hungry right now that was one of the few father-daughter moments where I was like, all right, that's sweet. That's not cheesy. I like the way that was written. And I think Kang's got a scene with Janet somewhere in here as well, where they kind of talk about their past and coming back.

Modok is convinced by Gassi that he's a dick. And we thought this was funny because in our Ant-Man reviews last week, we were like, Darren Cross is just a dick. That's kind of his power. He's a dick. That's the best word to describe him. In this movie, they were like, you're a dick. He was like, fuck, I'm a dick. I am a dick.

That was really funny. And then Hank brings all the ants back from the beginning. Some giant ones, some regular-sized ones, some middle-sized ones. They've aged 1, thousand years and are super smart they have you know sensors on their heads that are destroying things i wrote they overwhelm kang like the rats overwhelming starro in the suicide squad and with some help from modok kang puts up like a little shield around himself and then modok crashes into it modok then dies an adventure that was i said before one of my favorite

funny moments in the movie was modok this one when he's like at least i died an avenger and he puts his tiny little baby arm on paul rudd's face paul rudd's like uh yeah yeah yeah yeah you died an avenger that was really good and it it borderline was a moment where it doesn't need a joke. It was a pretty serious moment. But the joke hit. So I was okay with it. Yeah, it was an Ant-Man joke. And in a typical Ant-Man movie, it's fine.

It's just this is also like this weird sci-fi epic war movie. So you're kind of getting those. The stakes of it are too high for constant joking. But this joke was funny. And he tried to kill like his kid and it's just kind of weird that it's like oh no it's cool you tried to kill my daughter so there were some things that just were kind of weird and listen everyone i think everyone in our theater or a lot of the people in our theater are probably pretty big nerds and

they understand like modok is a ridiculous character in its essence so you have to just laugh at the fucking thing and i almost wish i didn't know derek was gonna be modok because that's a great reveal and like you said if they could have somehow not revealed that i thought it would have been it would have been way better because yeah it would be a cool surprise yeah exactly so that kind of hurt but i mean it is i'm not gonna like cry too much about it all right cutting off the podcast one more time to tell everyone about factor factor is amazing they're fresh never frozen meals are ready in just two minutes all you have to do is heat them up and enjoy you fuel up fast with these ready to eat nutritious meals delivered straight to your door leaves you the time and energy to tackle everything on your to-do list this would be good for you know

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the, uh, epic sci-fi battle or whatever And all the rebels coming is it's hard To like feel invested Like you I'm just like kill All these fucking assholes gang Me and you like all these Fucking this light guy and

Warrior princess and goo guy without Any holes which I knew he was gonna have holes I was like alright here comes the goddamn Punchline I hopefully will never see these people again unless it's the guardians killing him kang meaning you were together until at least 2025 i know the way the fucking timeline is i want you to just crush these motherfuckers and even when he's like you don't have any like uprisings i've put down i want this to feel i wanted to feel like uh the matrix where the uh what's the oracle is like oh you're the neo for this one and then when you die another neo will come and you just want to

feel hopeless that this guy always has the answers no matter what you change the questions he gets the answers no matter what and they just like that was another thing where i'm like they could have done that so much better i don't know if they thought we're gonna like these guys i found them very forgettable if not just straight up unlikable so they felt almost like a like a ripoff of like the side characters in ragnarok or something like a ripoff korg and valkyrie and yeah like korg was more likable than everyone there who's another what's another like franchise valkyrie like they did the warrior girl before and they did it well with her like i like valkyrie this

and i've seen a lot of people compare this movie to like love and thunder in terms of i do think that's the closest comparison and i i'm one of the few i feel like at this point that i still like love and thunder it might be the taika waititi comedy that i i really enjoy the stakes were a little lower but it has a lot of the same issues the pacing is a little messy you don't get enough of the villain that we want it to be so devastating and dark and there's a little too much mcu cheese humor if you want to refer to it like that yep and i will say this and i'm there's gonna be people listening they're gonna be like you guys have just been negative this whole time we like the kang parts a lot and i will say this in defense of kang for the future thanos took plenty of time

to come together you watch like guardians one and you're just like, he's kind of just there every time. And he didn't look right. He didn't sound right. And Brolin just crushed it so much in infinity war and then end game as well. But mostly infinity were right off the bat that you forget that Thanos was kind of like this,

this like, you know, figure that you knew this powerful figure you knew was coming, but it wasn't like, I was like, Oh fuck. Like I forget about Thanos half the time. So I will give like, you know, figure that you knew this powerful figure you knew was coming, but it wasn't like, I was like, Oh fuck. Like I forget about Thanos half the time. So I will give like,

even if we got a little bitch Kang here, I completely acknowledge that there could be a much bigger threat than Kang in the future. Which yeah. To be fair, they kind of acknowledge that this is a bitch Kang. This was an exiled Kang. Yeah. I don't know if he was a bitch or if he was crazy or whatever that realm was,

but he was telling everyone like, if I get out, out you're gonna have to deal with the real kings essentially like you you want me to get out or else very bad things are gonna happen and everyone you know and love is going to die so maybe this was the bitch king but like tell us that i don't know how you tell us that just tell us going into the movie like well this is a version of king it might not be the final one you see in king dynasty maybe that would just help us prepare for what we were getting instead of like this is the next fucking civil war because it's not it just isn't in any way shape or form and even when i heard that quote i said i can't believe feige would let someone say something like that knowing after like betty said the thing about facing this huge actor or working with this big actor.

At this point, you guys have to know what to say and what not to say in this fucking aggregate world where all the news just travels like crazy. And I understand if you're mixing quantum physics, time travel, multiverses, it's a lot of stuff you're kind of putting together. And listen, we have between the Skrulls, the Secrets the secret invasion secret wars I get all those things confused guardians there's going to be the eternals Pip is going to be in it Adam Warlock there's going to be a lot of space shit I didn't need another space movie taking place

in the quantum realm because I'm going to be spaced out probably in 2024-25 I'm going to be so sick of the stars and the cosmos and alien species I didn't need it in this one so I think that so sick of the stars and the cosmos and alien species. I didn't need it in this one. So I think this, that was kind of a little thing that, that, that pissed me off at the end. So at the end, the gang opens up a portal to go home and they all start going through it. But Kang stops Scott from going through and he has the half sleeve like Kane in this outfit.

He's all torn apart from the ants and stuff. He looks pretty cool with a torn apart outfit. Oh, and that was the other thing I want to mention. Kang's design is apart from the ants and stuff he looks pretty fucking cool with a torn apart outfit oh and that was the other thing i wanted to mention kang's design is one of the best like his outfit the scales of it and the the blue the way they figured out that his helmet i loved his entire design also though he's floating around on that little thing the whole time i couldn't help but think at the end when all the ants are coming for him just fucking float up a little bit man and you're taller than all of them and then they can't get you like i i didn't even think i didn't even think of that i remember when i said in our preview or i think it was when maddie fits came

out we did the review of ant-man one and two where i'm like there's no way hank's gonna actually come in with these fucking flying ants and he's gonna take down kang now granted these ants have like leveled up a million times yeah evolution through years, but at the same point, and it's like fucking weirdo crazy grandpa Hank Pym coming in and leading them to. That is like, it's just tough to swallow for I just

met the big baddie. But again, either this was bitch Kang or hey, maybe he's like super powerful Kang but the other Kangs knew how powerful he was and he was just exile Kang and he kind of like he lost it. I mean, I think dude, I was's, like, super powerful Kang, but the other Kangs knew how powerful he was, and he was just exiled Kang, and he kind of, like, he lost it. I mean, I think, dude, I was basically – we were exiled in our house for a couple years here. 2019 Clem is so much better than 2023 Clem.

I stink. So that's only after four years of, like, the world of, like, being locked in my house. I imagine this guy being locked in the Palombo Realm, he's lost a lot of his basketball. I'm down 82 miles per hour right now i'm getting my junk book i had to learn the knuckleball that's the only way i could fucking go about i had to learn the knuckleball so they fight for a while ant-man does get his ass kicked he puts up a decent fight though way better fight than i ever thought he would put up and hope comes back through the portal to save him they kick kang into this broken engine and they kind of spin him out like darth

vader i said in the theater now in the post-credit scene i'm pretty sure they said he's dead they were like is he dead and they're like yeah he's dead so they didn't really i mean they spun out kang and that he'll be back but this kang i'm pretty sure they actually fucking killed which i didn't expect to see but do you think he's actually dead i don't know i don't know the way he shrinks in i'd say no i'd say no he comes back in the kang dynasty and they're like that's the fucking exiled one or and then the kang's have to fight him and then that gives the heroes an advantage something like that but yeah they kick him in i didn't even expect that i expected them to just narrowly escape the quantum realm and the threat of kang is out there i would have preferred that i didn't like that it felt

like ant-man defeated kang and now we have to like he's supposed to be the big bad like ant-man just went over on him to use wrestling terms so yes i could believe that heroes could beat him at this point i will say it almost feels like when he says, it's almost by spinning him out. If he's dead or maybe he just becomes irrelevant. We never think of him again, but maybe by doing that, like by not killing him,

it's like not getting a clean one, two, three count as a pin. It's like he, he got counted out of the ring. Right. Cause he, cause he was handcuffed to the railing and the rough kind of mouth it's like you can't have ant-man getting a clean pin win

over kang because i will not believe in a stadium full of kang's i don't give a shit i'm like it doesn't matter one of those guys lost a fucking ant-man and again this is a guy who was saying i've killed so many avengers they all blend together it's like well you just lost so like i don't know to sc Scott Lang and his family. Yeah. To his like one of them who just was like learning the suit. Hope was snapped away for five fucking years. So were the two olds, the two old people.

You couldn't even kill the olds. We said the olds are fucking goners there. Michelle Pfeiffer and Michael Douglas. They're going to go out like Woody and Buzz and Toy Story. We said they're going to hold hands into the fire. It's going to be real sad, but at least they have each other. They're fine. They might be better. They're probably as healthy

as they've ever been. Their sexual life is about to get really strange. I've already been delving way too deep into yeah, like you couldn't take down the kid or the olds. Like what is this big? Thanos would have at least killed one of these fucking guys, rightos would have crushed hank pym like he would he would have done something where he's like a car compactor and he turns hank pym into an ant-sized human to kill him like he

would have been so brutal that we would have had our jaws on the floor instead kang's like enjoy your fucking bingo on friday night thanos would have killed himself if he lost the ants he lost the ants kangaroo oh my god i'm like now i'm reliving this in real time and i'm now the ants thing i'm on the other side with with you on the ants thing the way they portrayed the ants yes made me think like all right they might be able to beat anyone if you have a million ants and they're all fucking the size of a minivan like and then there's some the size of the empire state bill well i won't say that that's a bad building world trade center something it's a giant battleship sized ant i was like all right if

you're gonna do the ants do them like that and they're super smart and they've evolved okay because i was about to go down a really dark hole and be like this guy just got washed by ants after i said he was gonna kick the shit out of scott lang kill him a thousand times and all this kind of stuff i would have gotten really depressed so you kind of you did talk me out of that so that's good it's still just a tough it's it's there's no way to spin this as a positive for kang i feel yeah i mean we wanted to come out of this like bang bang kang, kang, gang. I don't know if I feel that in my veins right now. I can't release the shirt. I can't even throw out the chance of a C and D.

I know that at Barstool, I think like they're being more careful with releases now too. So I have to have like a minimum on the quota. I can't be throwing out bang, bang, kang, gang shirts after he loves to ants. We'll do something for guardians. Yeah. Something for guardians. That'd be nice. So the ending of the movie, Scott goes back to his normal life. And I'd be nice uh so the ending of

the movie scott goes back to his normal life and i did i actually liked the ending he remembers multiple times what kang said he's like oh and back to my normal life i'm scott lang in san francisco they got the welcome back welcome back welcome but they got that song playing and everything and then he kind of has those moments of like but wait a minute he said if i didn't get him out of the quantum room everyone was gonna die he's like no i'm sure we won't be seeing that guy again and he does that twice and i liked that there was multiple flashes of like fear in scott lang's mind of this guy is going to be the looming threat that he was promised to be i appreciated that dread feeling so much it's almost like when you're like did i blow out

that candle did i turn off the oven and you're god it'll be fine like that candle's not gonna blow over the oven they'll just cook nothing's inside of it and it does that's the way i wanted kang to feel the entire time where it's like i have this guy who's like a badass motherfucker plus like potentially other kang's if you wanted to throw that in and that was what I wanted from it and again that that was where I'm like all right this movie it was what it was but at least we had that payoff of it and I didn't know if we'd see something kind of in the background like when we got the statue reveal at the end of Loki season one where you see the Kang I didn't know if we get that during the actual um Ant-Man stuff but again you leave the quantum realm you leave those stupid rebels behind and i'm like oh an enjoyable movie again here we go yeah and i have to say this

too i have to admit this i'm kind of in the mood for a baskin robbins cake i when they were eating the cake the ant cake that's funny when he's like this is the first cake i made since 1997 he's like i can see that you know what if they kill that guy like that guy was he was like this is the first cake i made since 1997 he's like i can see that you know what if they kill that guy like that guy was he was like i like how i appreciate he was nice to um scott and all that and then he fired him but kill that like if king is going to come back to san francisco kill that guy i'm 100 so the mid-credit scene the mid-credits is actually my favorite the post credits was incredible as well but the mid-credits i also kind of fucking called let's say that i was pretty pretty close not spot on but pretty close the basement boys listen we're gonna take our swings i fully admit

i swung and i couldn't have i like swung three times and fell all three times and on the last one the bat left my hands like i was so wrong about kang wiping the floor with scott lang and just what this whole movie was but my guy Bob Fox give him his flowers and listen don't think like we have spoilers and I remember when people like Bob you knew that Cap was gonna wield Mjolnir at the end of Endgame uh Bob Fox would have had come coming out of his fucking pants for the entire year of 2019 if he had known that going into the fucking movie we don't know what we're talking about but when we nail it just give us our respect and Bob you nailed it so I nailed it it's a bunch of gangs they're led by immortus which is the the head honcho kang and he's speaking in like a different tongue and they

all look different they've got mustaches one of them is uh possibly kid immortus he has more of a sleek blue head and then there's also rama tut who is the egyptian version of kang one of the more famous ones from the comics at least and uh jose will be breaking down all this because trust me guys if you don't know what this is i do not have any clue what any i have no rama tut is a big deal who's the guy the big swinging dick guy that you said first amortis amortis apparently he's the biggest and i'm not even sure the other one's kid amortis i actually looked into like i typed in ant-man post-credit scene to see if anyone had been talking about it and there was just speculation that these were the three amortises or the three kangs so ramata is confirmed that's definitely ramata the other two i could be wrong on so don't take that take

that with a grain of salt they speak about the exiled cane uh kang being defeated and then we see this full arena and one of the kang says the other one like how many did you call he says all of us and then we see the arena where kang's are just being transported and it's almost a roman coliseum type looking arena and all these kang's in the crowd are just losing their minds they're cheering they're laughing they're yucking it up we even see what i thought was a scroll kang but i found out is just like this creepy looking kang from an avengers comic book i sent you the panel yeah they kind of recreate this shot from apparently it's an iconic shot from an avengers comic book and it's really cool this this post credit scene to me was as big as thanos turning around after the first avengers i was like okay these

are the fucking kangs these are the ones we got to be worried about and that part of kang and all the kangs his story is now in motion which is huge like that and again it hurts going through a two hour movie and then the biggest part is you know that happens a lot 15 seconds at the end yeah but it is what it is i wish i had more fun on the ride but getting to there and that helps you leave the movie theater with a better taste in your mouth for sure for sure totally and then the post-credit scene we just saw a mid-credit scene that set up the kang dynasty and the overall mcu next phase the post-credit scene is a more direct setup for loki season two we see kang as victor timely this is an early 1900s version of kang and he's performing a show where he's like time shapes our lives but i believe we can shape it as well and he's got kind of a nerdy

haircut this gang he's wearing glasses he's got a mustache and we cut to loki and mobius in the crowd and this got a pop from the theater like there was the gasps when you see tom hiddleston and everything and mobius is like i thought you said this guy was supposed to be so scary he doesn't look so terrifying and loki's just like he is and then it cuts to black kang will return so that's feels like a direct set to loki season two i said to you in the theater i would love it if this post-credit scene is what they build the entire season to where we're building to them meeting victor timely kang in the finale of season two that would blow my mind and be really cool my

eyes yeah it got me really excited for loki which comes out sooner than i think i thought it was like summer of 23 but it might be spring of 23 so i think so yeah and whatever we're getting it soon which as i think of loki now remember all the loki variants and we had you know alligator loki most fun ones tell me that wouldn't have been cool if we and listen i don't know if it even makes sense to do that with the little ant man you have the bas the Baskin-Robbins scotline, but like that was something that was very fun in Loki. If they had done that, it may be a completely different thing that you're doing there. I just thought it would have been more fun. I guess the Baskin-Robbins was a nice joke. But the way I felt at the end of Loki,

like it got me excited again. I'm like, okay, because did you see that Feige said they're going to start cutting back they're gonna pump the brakes on how many shows come out as someone that recap recaps a lot of these shows thank you kevin yeah because and and listen kev i know you listen to us if it doesn't feel like a show it doesn't feel like a movie it could be a special it could be a 40 minute special an hour special uh, a werewolf by night, anything like that. Guardians holiday special embrace that kind of stuff. We don't. And even like this, if you want to do some weird Star Wars show, put that fucking shit

on Disney plus and give us a regular Ant-Man, like just there are, there's other ways to go about it. But, uh, yeah, timely. It just reinforced this scene, just how much Kang's are out there. And I am very much ready for Jose to explain all this shit to me I'm ready for Jose to explain it I'm ready to dive into the more Kang's which it feels it feels tough because on one level you want to leave this movie looking for more Kang you want to leave this movie like I want more Kang but we left it asking that in a way where

we didn't feel like we got enough in this one. So it's a poll on both sides. But like I said, I would call this movie a single. I wouldn't call it a complete out. There are a lot of things in the movie that I liked. There's a great movie buried somewhere in this movie, but the final product is a bit of a disjointed mess that unfortunately underwhelmed us leaving the theater. I think that's fair to say

definitely fair to say uh the the star wars chunk in the beginning and then kind of the the way that a lot of the fight ended with with cassie's stuff with modok and then kang but there is stuff in the middle there and then the you know the very very end that was enjoyable as well as some of the beginning the very beginning too so i guess maybe calling it an out it hurt it is wrong like a maybe an infield single or something like that uh but i went in you know thinking we're getting at least a double here and we definitely didn't get that what was your uh fast food item that you compare this to so i thought about this for a while and i talk a lot about how much I love the Taco Bell AM Crunchwrap. It's my favorite fast food item. Now they debuted another fast food item with the AM

Crunchwrap that I thought sounded amazing. It was the waffle taco. And I don't know if it's still on their menu, but it was a waffle as the shell, some sausage in there, some eggs in there, bacon if you want that. And I was like, a fucking waffle taco from Taco Bell. That sounds amazing with their jalapeno sauce. Just didn't work. There's too many elements about it that made the waffle a bit soggy. And once you had the soggy waffle, I couldn't get past that. So unfortunately, I'm going to give it the waffle taco from Taco Bell, which was a very underwhelming item that i was very excited about that's okay that's fair actually you know it's funny um i i went to talk about the other day to get breakfast and i got the am crunch wrap

and they forgot my hash brown inside the crunch wrap like they didn't put one in there yeah they just gave me the i think i got a sausage and egg and it's not there's no crunch wrap? Like they didn't put one in there? Yeah, they just gave me the, I think I got a sausage and egg. And it's not, there's no crunch. It's barely crunch wrap then. There's no crunch. Yeah. Oh, shit. I think that almost is what this movie was.

Like it didn't have enough of the Kang that I was looking for in the crunch wrap. So you just, you brought that memory back up. By the way, just because this is the fast food portion of the show, I went, I happened to go to Taco Bell yesterday. And they have this new, it's called like the melty cheese taco or something. And it's like, I don't know if they're changing their default tacos, like on the side, or if this is just a new one every day, they have fresh, uh, freshly fried taco shells. And it's a different taco shell than the old school one. Cause I always go Doritos local. i never go with the regular old school taco anymore i always upgrade it this shit is legit it's kind of like um like a taco uh bowl consistency except a little thinner and it tastes it tastes really good it tastes like

restaurant quality so check it out i almost did a 15 second review on it maybe i'll do it one of these days it was actually really good my fast food for this, and they've done this a few times. I am referencing the new Burger King French fries that I believe was in 1997 was the first time they like reintroduced them. And everyone's like, oh my God, they're changing fries. This is going to be such a big deal. And then everyone got them and they're just like, kind of want the old ones back. And I thought I wanted this new thing. I wanted it to be different. They they're going for McDonald's neck and the throne,

obviously when it came to the fries, I think you're just like, I don't know, man. Like you had a pretty good thing. I don't think you had to shoot for the stars. Cause he kind of landed back on like the ground on your ass. So I kind of feel like if they had just stuck with the ant

man uh you know typical formula that would have been good if they could have hit it out of the park and made like change the game on the french fry industry in this movie by changing up the ant-man and making it an ant-man civil war awesome and i think by doing those two things not doing either and they kind of just you're left with like these kind of just shitty fries that no one really liked and i think they went back to him at some point so uh the burger king french fry remix is my uh my answer that's a very good food review of course a legend of the snack game it's expected that you give the very accurate food reviews at this point like i said though this is a single for me and especially because i was thinking about this i think i prefer a bad if you want to call it

bad marvel movie to a decent other movie i'm one of those people where you put me in the marvel universe and i'm happy for two hours and i'm escaping life and i'm like all right we're watching scott lang it was an enjoyable time in the theater for me with with clem first time seeing a movie with clem since endgame which which was 2018, 2019 years ago. So we got to do that more often. Hopefully we could get to the more of these screeners more often and have these ready for everyone when it comes out. And I hope genuinely hope that our listeners enjoyed it more than us and that they're, you know, more happy with what they got. But I have a feeling that based on the reviews I've seen, a lot of people are going to be on the same page as

us. Yeah. That was like, as soon as it was it was over i'm like i'm locked in on this and i really hope because it's always tough in the podcast where you have two different wild two wildly different opinions so but again if people like it even better i even have the hashtag so if you got to the end hit us up let us know your thoughts and then hashtag hashtag ant wars it was a star wars good one ant wars is the uh hashtag for today's episode so hit us up on twitter and give us your thoughts on everything good better and different and listen yeah we're not shamers i've learned i've learned enough from the last jedi it's fucking some movies it's like the dress it looks like two different things and everyone

else is wrong except for you who gives a fuck just hopefully we're having fun hopefully we're gonna i saw people are saying they should have stopped the mcu if they're endgame it's like well first of all this is like do you know disney's in the money making business do you realize they're gonna kill today it's going on for another 80 years 80 years he wants to go as long as the comic books i saw yeah incredible so yeah you're not gonna get that my brother actually is one of those people he's one of those people that was like i think they should have stopped after on game he i don't think he's seen most of the other projects he hasn't seen any of the shows he stopped after on game he was like that was the perfect ending i'm done michael jordan hit that shot against utah like there is a case we made he didn't have to come back for the wizards and then

you know become an owner of a team hopefully that's not where the the MCU is headed, but they did kind of nail the landing. But unfortunately, in a capitalistic world, by one of the biggest capitalistic fucking entities in the country, they're going to keep going and they're going to bleed this motherfucker for all it's worth. So hopefully they keep it going, get it better. The second movie that has ever been rotten in their entire franchise, too, it's like, let's give them the benefit of the doubt

and the guy with the hat can figure it all out. with james gone up next trust the fight trust the gun come on do you think like they're they said to the um the guy the writer of ant-man or like the whatever and it's like dude do whatever you want because james gunn's gonna be coming out like two and a half months later and he'll just fucking it's like i have an edwin diaz they said this the other day adam out of you know it's like i love him because if i fuck up as like the setup man he just comes in just strikes everyone out and then the game's over like it doesn't matter as long as we're up a run he'll come in and that's kind of what james gunn has been for uh then see you so that's a good call yeah so fingers crossed that they course correct very quickly we will be back to talk about the

last of us next week the last of, the saddest show on television, but God damn, it's good. We just keep coming back. Clem. You tweeted a great meme today where you're like, you are a factory of sadness. I'll see you on Sunday.

Shout out that Cleveland Browns fan. It's an old timeline. He's screaming at the Brown stadium. And I just threw the last of us a banner over there. So it's the, I, as I blocked it, it's the worst show on TV.

And by worst show, it's because it guts me every week, but it's the show on tv because i mean i'm we're almost at the point maybe season two we'll do like a uh i don't know about a live recap or like immediately for monday morning we'll have something up but it is so damn good then we have mando coming up yeah very soon that's going to sneak up on us our disney trip with Dave and we're going to be with Dave. You pointed out for the second episode of Mando. So hopefully you, me, Dave, maybe Jeff, whoever's down there with us could do like a group podcast on episode two of Mando. That would be incredible. egg ant wars and let us know what you thought of the movie i'm genuinely curious what our listeners what people thought of this if you're on the complete opposite side i want to know that too if you're like fuck you guys i thought that was tremendous it was everything i wanted out of ant man 3 let us know i want to know all your opinions let us know in the comments below as well make

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