My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 294 - SECRET INVASION FINALE WITH CLEM

Episode Date: July 28, 2023

Robbie and Clem recap and review the ‘Secret Invasion’ finale, which wasn’t necessarily the most well-received project in the history of Marvel Studios. What did you think of it?! 3Chi: Use code BASEMENT15 for 15% off your complete order at 3Chi.com! Gametime: Download the Gametime app or go to the website, enter your email, and redeem code MMB for $20 off your first purchase (terms apply). C4: C4 Ultimate Energy is the official energy drink of SummerSlam this year, and the C4 Ultimate x WWE collaboration is now exclusively available at GNC ****************************************  Subscribe to My Mom's Basement on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIeZ96PqdsJYQ7DFLRx6MHw My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to another episode of My Mom's Basement presented by Barstool Sports and 3C. I am your host, Robbie Fox, or am I? And this is my co-host, Clem, or is it? No, no, no, we're gonna cut this in the bud right now this is robbie fox this is clem and we have not been scrolls since civil war we are here to talk about the finale of secret invasion which was it was controversial clem to say the least it is the lowest rated marvel project ever on rotten tomatoes it has i think 13 as of this recording it wasn't uh wasn't really well received by the internet and i would say it wasn't super well received by the basement boys am i right about that nope um i haven't seen

the internet this mad about a model project since uh when secret invasion used the ai stuff to draw the opening or whatever people were really mad about that, remember? That seems like a picnic right now. Kevin Feige's probably going back to all those angry hate mail messages and voicemails he got because it's burning. It's burning out there right now. It's not fun, but I have to say it's well-earned by Marvel because basement boys, we always try to see the good in these things. We try to hype ourselves up saying, all right. And I do think the beginning of Secret Invasion, we had some moments and we're like, all right, this is what it's going to be.

And then we had one big scroll reveal, which happened a couple episodes ago. And the paranoia wasn't really there. I don't know about the secret. So this is it. I'm not a big comics books guy in terms of I didn't read a lot of different comic arcs over the years. I read my comics. I was an X-Men guy.

A couple other things along the way. Secret Invasion is like the lamest fucking arc of all time in my mind right now because all I know is the show, and the show is like, oh, Rhodey's a scrawl. A tier three, maybe four Avenger when it comes down to it and that was the big reveal and you know nick fury slinging his ding-a-ling in a scroll as well that was it he married a scroll yeah i think they completely went off base on term in terms of like the comic book storyline and this i saw some articles like marvel has a problem in that they refuse to

hire mcu fans like if you're a fan of the comics they try to maybe shy away from that they specifically told the writers of this secret invasion don't even read that secret invasion like we're not doing that so it's i don't know i don't know what the purpose of the show was in the end you know like in the beginning i agree we had some moments of potential when you kill off Maria Hill in episode one. I'm like, oh, shit. They're showing us some stakes. They're showing us they're willing to kill people off. I thought the first scene was incredible with that guy that was like, scroll. Remember, he had the list when he was trying to sell them on it That was awesome So I was very much thinking this could be Marvel's Mature step up Into espionage and thriller And political thriller Wasn't much politics

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one five i saw an article i think it was comicbook.com said peacemaker did secret invasion much better than secret invasion and that really like resonated with me because i was like man i felt the stakes of when you find out the leader of their team, you know, spoilers for Peacemaker, Sarda, but whatever. When you find that out, I felt that in my chest more than I ever felt World War Three or a million Skrulls invading Earth in Secret Invasion. So, yeah, just kind of fizzled out. I feel like they lit a match in the beginning and it just it burnt out real quick and the finale was just oh i again i always try to be positive on these things i watched the whole finale with this look on my face it was like this if you're not watching on youtube it's a it's a bit of a cringe because

between the cgi and the choices they were making i felt like they were half breaking the mcu and half putting that 212 million dollars that went into this show to very bad use i don't know if the artists were rushed again and it was a vfx problem but man that was what the she-hulk finale was making fun of with the cgi fight in the end suddenly the she-hulk finale you go back to that you just watch that scene you're like oh this hits even better now than it did a couple months ago right and i mean we can so you know how people have felt about she-hulk we know people felt about this um we had miss marvel we had different things along the way it got to the point where i was happy it was 37 minutes i saw 37 minutes of the finale i was like you know this is probably for the best here i was kind of happy about i'm like hey maybe they wrap it up perfectly but i just don't want to have an hour and then i'm like i can't believe we spent an hour of my life

i wasted 33 minutes of my life or whatever it was i can't believe i'm saying this bob we've been in the basement together for a very long time here we've gone through a lot of projects we've done a lot of podcasts and i never thought i'd say this but i have to say it i have to i have to it's a it's a sacred fucking phrase and it's a sacred word that begins with i'm gonna say i don't trust the flaggy anymore i can't i can't trust the flaggy when you keep giving me bad fucking tv shows and there have been some good tv shows i know there's people who like this TV show and I'm not gonna say this was like the worst TV show ever

I think it had its moments I think like Sonya is I'm so happy she's in the MCU uh I'm happy thank god they kept her alive oh yes oh that would have been bad um I thought I thought the actor play graphic was pretty fucking cool for like until they just completely like wrote his character like a fucking doofus

the idea of having Rhodey as a Skrull was cool, and still he started going like, ah, kill the Russians! He was like a fucking comically pure evil villain, and the bum-ass president can't sniff it out or the admiral that was

in the room. He's just talking shit on everybody, saying stupid pills. I'm like, what the fuck is going on here right now? After all this man i just can't trust the five you like um we've we there were if you go back and listen to the podcast there was a lot of times the shows were like all right we like this but we didn't like this we like that but we didn't like that um loki was awesome i really liked wandavision even though again at the end of wandavision i'm like well that it kind of suffered from the old, what we call the True Detective season one problem, where Reddit made a better show than the actual showrunners did. But there is just a lump of bad TV shows.

And listen, you make a bad movie, a couple of bad movies, I can live with it. It's like two hours, hour and a half, hopefully. I mean, let's cut down on the fucking run time with the movies at this point, too. We don't need two and a half, three hour Marvel movies. You really don't, especially if they're not going to be fucking Infinity War, Guardians three, whatever you want to call it level. But going through every single week and maybe this is because we're doing the pod as well. So then it's like double dipping because you're doing it and then you're recapping it. But at some point, man, like I just can't keep watching that shit and being like all right keep feeding me this fucking slop here kevin so uh this

is the first time i i don't trust the flaggy and i'm actually i think i wrote it in the blog a few weeks ago i'm happy bob biger was like listen we're gonna pump the brakes on star wars and marvel content probably because they can't just keep writing off like billion dollar fucking entities as a hemorrhage money out of disney plus but like where the fuck in that show did 221 million dollars go again i i hope it just means in the actors pockets i hope it just means that everyone was getting the bag for doing this show but it screams money laundering scheme it's crazy we've uncovered a scandal of mattress firm mcu it's crazy universe oh now i i trust the feige i'm gonna say that i still trust the feige i understand why you don't i think we need like for the next year or the next whatever amount of projects we need to make like a report card like the Marvels, I think, is the next project.

Also, you know what worries me? The way they wrap up Secret Invasion does not lead me to believe that they're going to reference it pretty much ever again, other than Gaia. I think Gaia will probably join like the thunderbolts or a team like that but i i don't know because hmm do you think it's important broke everything do you think it's important they reference the strongest character we've ever seen in the history of the cinematic they just they're like she's like captain marvel if she was also the hulk if she was also the guardians if she was like ah what the fuck happened this series and secret invasion people were like it was a complete mind fuck every time you're open in the comic book you

don't know who was gonna turn you couldn't trust anybody and at this point i'm just like all right there's gonna like i don't know fury's definitely fury he's acting kind of funky and obviously the whole you know switch during the finale was one thing but like what what what are we doing here man and listen that was the other thing the marvels and i heavy spoilers reference this a lot and it's a fair point did you really need to come out with the marvels trailer with nick fury in it a week before you know there's a chance nick fury might die which i honestly thought going into it like there's a chance Nick Fury might die. Which I honestly thought going into it. Like, there's a chance. Like, Samuel L's getting old.

It feels like, you know, they're kind of taking this to another level. I didn't think it was going to happen. But there was a possibility. And it's like, oh, no. He's clearly in the fucking next movie that is coming out for them. So, what are we doing here, man? And I wrote this the other day, too. And this just comes mostly for the shows.

And the Gen V trailer came out, which is the boy's spinoff. And it looks awesome. And I'm like, ah, you know, I think it's still going to be good. And then I'm thinking about, wait,

I go every episode of the boys feels like a mini movie. There's like a beginning, a middle and end. It keeps you entertained the entire time. And I'm like, how can the boys, this completely different brand make a good TV show? Every episode,

every like, there's not a time where I'm like man that was a waste of my hour every time i am like fucking locked in on the boys and ready to binge and go to the next one yet with marvel it's like shit i just hope like hope we get something as cool as shooter mcgavin showing up in the mcu i mean marvel is at this point you feel like you you hope you get a good couple episodes per show. I feel like Miss Marvel, we were happy about getting like a good first episode and finale. You know, we're like, we got two good ones out of it. Wow. She hope we got that Daredevil one and we like the finale as well.

They're like baseball players. It's like if you bet three thirty three, you're a Hall of Famer. And that's basically what the MCU has become. That's crazy. And as far as the shows go, it feels like WandaVision and Loki were the only ones that were truly important to the MCU, right? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, we'll see what happens with Falcon and Winter Soldier, but that even kind of... But even in that show, it's like the whole story arc was him getting the shield which he was given at the end of end game so they did a couple back steps and then they did a couple forward steps you know john walker will come back and yeah it's it's tough i mean loki's the only one with like a great finale i think that felt like it had consequences on the universe the loki finale like brought it up a level in my mind so you see that and you're like when you think of loki now you think of that last scene which like their greatest moment is because of a guy who they're probably like how the fuck do we get out of this contract and like the seven

movies that we have his character's name in it right now right yeah so it's like they're taking losses on shit that isn't even technically their fault so it's it's a wild i'm gonna be interested to see how feige digs himself out you're trust the feige i am no longer trust the feige i do not what's the opposite of trust distrust i don't i guess i don't actively distrust the feige i am just like hey feige what's up man so it's you know what it is? You are, you, okay. So if I distrust the Feige more, but being your cap, I'm Tony Stark. And like the winter soldier is kind of Feige in this book. Yeah.

Like I see the good in him, Gleb. I'm like this fucking guy, Rob. Do I got to like show you that finale of Secret Invasion again? So it'll be. Is that him killing your mom? He basically did. That 37 minutes was that. Is that him killing your mom? He basically did that. 37 minutes was based. No,

you know what? Quantumania killed my, it was the killing of my mom. That hurt a lot too. So you, cause we have to lump some of the bad movies in with it all as well. And I can't be like, Oh,

well he had guardian street. Guardian street was written before they fired James Cameron. What's his name? James Gunn. Yeah. Not James Cameron. We don't say the C word around here. Yeah, that's our C word.

But yeah, the Gaia breaking the MCU thing. Another thing I wanted to mention about that. When they give her the Drax arm, that was one of the worst visuals I've ever seen. And also, I was confused about this, and I also saw tweets about it. Why did she have Drax's tattoos? That's not part of his fucking powers, right? It's just strong guy Drax. And it looked like a baby arm, even though Drax is fucking an enormous person.

It was just weird. And this is a fair point. Someone said it. Could it be the curse of Emilia Clarke? You put Emilia Clarke in a big brand, and everything seems like it's good. fair point someone said it could it could it be the curse of amelia clark you put amelia clark in a big brand and everything seems like it's good and then the finale comes and everyone's just like fuck you because it's just thrones 2.0 basically is what happened there did i feel bad but we need an end game version of secret invasion where they go back to not save her but save talos yes he felt like he died for nothing as well like

why did you kill him and maria hill in this show that doesn't make any sense to me there i almost feel like the executive was like all right so i need to have like three big moments that happen i need to have three this three that and they're like all all right. So Talos, Talos, which, by the way, you're $1 to the St. Jude. I've realized. They got to give it back, yeah. Yeah, because people say it different ways. I think Sonia says it one way. Olivia Coleman says it.

And Gravick says it. Talos, yeah, yeah. So she comes through. I was saying it the British way, though, so St. Jude can keep my dollar. Yeah, you were, like, thinking of the Oasis. You were acting like the Gallagher brothers or something. You just had a little accent on it. That's fine.

But they're like, yeah, well, Maria Hill dies and Talos dies. And, you know, one other thing. And then like, give me some action scenes as well. We're going to turn we're going to turn Gaia and Nick Fury's wife into fucking commandos in her house. That's going to be awesome. You guys are going to love that. And yeah. And I just I honestly think it fell flat.

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Back to a thing that you mentioned. Rhodey just being an absolute... Robby's just like taking the body back. He's like, now we're going to kick the shit out of his body. One more thing. One more thing about this fucking Rhodey thing. You mentioned he's just a villain in this show, like straight up acting completely different than we've ever seen roadie act.

He's always been a pretty even keeled, like sensible guy. And then in this, he's like, Mr. President, this, that, the next thing. Fuck the Russians. Fuck this guy. Get this guy's clearance out of the room. Like horrible change in character dynamic. If you're going to tell us that he has been a Skrull since Civil War, which I think the ending implies with him and the's just because he was in the you know scroll holding chamber for so long but it really ruins that scene with nebula in endgame if he was a scroll like there's not a ton that it completely ruins i'll give you that because he is like you said like a lower tier avenger i guess but that scene with nebula where they each talk about being you know part machine and having to learn to live with that.

Come on, man. And they were kind of pussies about how they revealed it. I'm going to say that, too, because they they took a half measure with they just kind of implied like, oh, how long have you been in there? A long time. So I think they'll be able to retcon it now that the fans have clearly voiced their opinion that we don't like this. The writers of armor wars, which I'll be honest, our writers of armor wars. I'm not really excited to see your project right now.

I kind of hope again, I think everything that was going to be a movie should be a show and a show of like three episodes and every show should now be a special presentation that takes an hour. So give me a, an hour armor wars and in that tell us that roadie after the events of endgame was in the hospital because they all got their asses just yes right because you take away the tony stark funeral right you take away the moment with nebula you take away the fact that they were fighting it

he was protecting the worth earth and infinity war and you're kind of just killing the character at this point you just make his best moments basically just like see ya so you might just bring back terrence harrod at that point and someone brought up i guess that he bled in endgame so they were like no he can't be a scroll because he had like red blood at endgame but i'm pretty sure graphic in like episode one had red blood as well. So they were muddy about the details of Skrull reveals as well. So Gravik, I can't believe they killed him too. Okay, so that's the other thing here.

They made this character that seemed like it was pretty cool. He had a fair, the first half of Gravik, you're like, alright, I kind of see where he's coming from, which is why when every villain thrives is when you understand. Obviously my dog Thanos, Magneto's thing is like he has seen such the the evils of humanity you can't even blame him for fucking despising them and then gravic it's like yeah not only is his species just getting like put through the ringer but like his father figure after both his fucking parents died

just abandoned him and we have this like oh shit that moment in the museum right where they're kind of going back and forth yep the actor rules the graphic actor is awesome so his name is kingsley ben adair right yeah calling it right now i called it with eddie and you on the barb and iron podcast and i'm putting on the record right now that guy is going to win an oscar that guy is going to win an oscar within 10 years so by june 28th 2033 he will have a fucking nice shiny oscar on his shelf to do with him that whatever they did with him in this last couple these last couple episodes was criminal it was criminal man and i know like at this point i'm almost i'm almost at the point where I'm like, all right, just eliminate the Skrulls from our lives.

But, like, we're going to fucking space next. They're going to be a big part of space as well. So it's like you kind of just wasted this character. You gave him every fucking power of all the Avengers, and then he just got watched. Like, I don't even want to rewatch the show because I'm just going to get angry watching his scenes. Yeah, and I felt like he actually had good scenes in the finale in terms of, like, the actor. It was very good in his monologue with, like, Fury where they're in the chamber, Chamber of Secrets, Skrulls thing. But killing him, it was one of the main things I said to Devlin.

I was talking to Devlin in the office, one of our friends at Barstool. And he said, what do you want the finale to do before it came out and i said i want them to keep gravic alive and just make him the super scroll so at least this show feels like it had consequences and that we watched it for something even with vara at the end when he's like you want to come up to space with me and she's like like, yeah, I'll come up, but I got to leave immediately. I was like, oh, Jesus Christ. I cringed and rolled my eyes because I was like, that just means she's not in the Marvels, which people have now come out like leakers or whatever have come out and said, yeah, she ain't referenced. She ain't in the lens of hey we never thought we would get a nick fury led show with a couple more cool nick fury scenes good back and forth with samuel jackson some

a-list actors or you know a-list level uh in terms of their ability good if you're looking at it in terms of like was this supposed to set up the Marvels or Captain America New World Order or Brave New World or whatever, or Thunderbolts? I don't know. There's still not a lot of connectivity in this phase of the MCU. And it is getting a little frustrating. Like, do I think this deserves 13% on Rotten Tomatoes? No, it doesn't. It's,'s you know it's not a good finale it's one of the one of the worst finales i would say out of their shows i would put it towards the bottom but i would still rather watch this than a lot of other stuff um it's i think just it's not fatigue but it's people are beat down by these shows meaning nothing and i don't know

like we all thought they would mean so much more from how wandavision and loki were hyped essentially if it's almost as if they could have just self-contained these shows and made them good and then figured out how to make everything come together with the next avengers movie yeah you could have lived with that, but it's like they weren't really good. You're like, alright, but it's gonna mean more. And then it didn't mean more. And then, like WandaVision when they pulled the old Quicksilver Okie Tokon

I was looking back at that, was a goddamn wild move. A goddamn wild move. They called him Boner. They were like, his name's Boner. Isn't that funny? And we were like, no. Now, do you think that the reception or maybe the which again rotten tomato scores are so silly because it just becomes like a place where you can you know vent your fury for lack of a better term nice if this was released like two

years ago right after wandavision or maybe after loki and everyone's not like so burnt out with the mcu do you think people wouldn't be as mad but this is kind of like again you throw this and ant-man together and i those are two projects i thought were going to be through the fucking roof and they both just completely flopped then people are like all right get the pitchforks out light the torches we're gonna go fucking stage an internet fucking rally here. It's, it's crazy. And now Bob, yeah. Looking back,

did Marvel know? Because remember, we're like, they're not promoting this at all. They haven't put it anywhere. And they usually are hammering you over the head where they're like, look, we're already like 221 million in the hole in this thing. Let's not spend a dime and hope maybe they just even forget.

And then we could just make a real secret invasion in a couple of years years when we actually hire people that know what they're talking about here like i would not be surprised if this just disappeared from disney plus and they wrote it off i i honestly wouldn't and i feel bad for jose young's our friend who oh no i don't think he's watched it yet oh god he was waiting for it all to come out oh god no he was so excited he was he was breathing so deep his mic was blowing out when we told him secret invasion was going to become a show he was like you guys don't understand this story like you guys and uh i almost want to text and be like dude no don't do it so you're not gonna like it i'm on this. The friend of me wants to do that because we like Jose. He's a friend of the basement.

The barstool content, the Portnoy part of my brain that loves to see other people, you know, get their hearts ripped out. I kind of want to like watch a live stream of Jose watching four hours of television and breathing in like that way. But in like pure anger, you know, anger. Yeah, it's you he if sounds like he's breathing but it's actually the steam coming out of his ears that you're hearing another thing no post-credit scene oh so i heard that someone's hit us up on twitter yeah a few people did more and respect to those people i i appreciate you at least like uh brace in the fall because once like the credits are all like i could turn this hunk of junk off and just throw that i threw my tv out the window

i was like now i'm done for the day uh i was like all right but i said i said i was mad before it even happened because i'm like you know what and i kind of convinced myself of this i said it a few episodes ago i'm like i'm pretty sure like the biggest moment of the whole goddamn season is going to take place in the post credits it It's kind of always been Nick Fury's thing anyway. And then they just don't even have it after that finale. And I'm like, now you're just now you're just fucking with me. Now you're just trying to see how much you can piss me off here. And like it's tradition in a way, like the only Marvel movie or project that I'm aware of without a post-credit scene is the friggin end game and maybe i don't know if the uh this special werewolf by night and guardians i don't remember if those have post-credits yes

but like it would be weird to have a post-credit scene in end game i think it's like they tie it up and they give their i totally get why they didn't yes um this one was just like this is literally the show where you're like teasing and paranoia. And apparently there's going to be scrolls and shit in Brave New World. I've heard the Marvels basically is like completely unrelated to this show and basically treats it like it never happened. What's going on there? What if, you know, it's crazy. It sounds I'm thinking about it just out loud the way our

marvel fans brains work and i completely admit that we're like kind of i don't want to say idiots but like we're fanatics and we just get hyped about things if they that post-credit scene had been a reveal like let's see who's like a who's a big mcu cat who's a big hero right now who's like the one of the biggest heroes and dr strange i don't know if you really do with dr strange someone on that level like black this this is the problem marvel herself maybe it just it's hard to do because we did lose like like our chunk of our our big guys right and then um like thor i don't know but say yeah say they just like they're like thor like shows up and he turns into a scroll and i'm like oh my god thor is a scroll and that would have just led the story instead of like and it would have been like 113 percent ron tomatoes even though it made no

fucking sense and he wasn't in the show for a minute people would have just been going crazy it would have been absolutely stupid they kind of tried that with eternals didn't they they were like i don't know how audiences are gonna like this fucking harry styles throw harry styles at it yep yep eternals is he ever gonna get referenced again too like there are certain characters that pop up that you're like are they going back to these people at any point because now the this feels feels like these movies came out years ago. Right. And nothing.

They've just been collecting dust, essentially. I think they said it's going to be like at least five or six years before we get a Shang-Chi sequel. And it's like, are people going to remember the first movie by then? I don't even remember the first movie. I try to think of the first movie. So I was going through this phase in my head and being like the highs and lows. And Shang-Chi was another one where it had some hits,

it had some misses. But I've had a good feeling about the character, right? Yeah. But I remember the fight scene on the thing. I remember Wong showing up. I remember the bracelets being cool. I actually liked the little fantasy world. I think it was hit or miss for people.

And I'm like, oh, yeah, OK, that's about it. In like six years, this brain, you see me on the dozen. This brain doesn't fucking just keep everything like a steel trap. We're in trouble. Remember that little pillow guy? That's going to be it for me. The no post credit scene really pissed me off when every other show has had one. I also had a had a thought.

Why not give the entire role of Rhodey in this show to Sharon Carter? I feel like it would make more sense with her to be in the government because of her family history and her history in S.H.I.E.L.D. or whatever. We know that she's a bad guy already because of the power broker stuff.

So that's not like... We were looking at roadie the whole show with a side eye because we were like why is he acting bad he's not bad oh he must be a scroll what if you reveal sharon carter as a scroll in the show i think that's a better reveal i think it actually has stakes i think it actually matters and it starts bringing things together yeah you, you start bringing things together, at least with the shows. This was just like, I don't know, man. It left me cringing. It left me confused. I tweeted, who approved that?

Like Kevin Feige, he better not have been in the room when that got approved. He better have been on PTO, some vacation time. I hope he was at Avengersgers campus in disneyland or something because yikes oh holy shit i think i just cracked the case do you think kevin feige is a scroll do you think he's been replaced because there's no way the guy responsible for everything that led to the all events of the Infinity Saga and Infinity War and Endgame just allowed this last couple years of stuff to come out. So I think now we have to kind of go, all right, when did he become a Skrull? It was definitely after Endgame. It was a post-Endgame Skrull.

It's post-Spider-Man, I think. Far From Home. That was the first one after Endgame. That was good. Black Widow was after that, and they started getting into a conflict with Scar Jo. Scar Jo, yep, yep. That's no good.

Would you put it past Disney to have Skrulls in their midst, too? I wouldn't. No. They probably work in the tunnels of disney yes wheel and stuff around like that's probably why they told us no pictures when you go backstage yeah because they were afraid that we would take a picture and you'd see a scroll in the background that whiteboard i want to see that whiteboard and how they are trying to tie this i always want to see the whiteboard let's be honest but i really want to see it now and see like how the fuck do

you think a is going to go to b is going to go to c because it it does not make sense so Sharon Corder was a good call though like that that could have been something to at least tie it together feels like a little more stakes they still even if they had done that secret invasion would have still been complete bone though right yeah yeah yeah I just think it would have been less cheap than roadie felt like they just did Rhodey for the sake of doing Rhodey. Yeah, yeah. The final montage, though, I liked. I thought the final montage was cool with the paranoia with someone running up to a politician and like shooting her while she's giving a press conference, even though she's not a Skrull.

This should have been the vibe of the show. I called it order 66 for scrolls like i kind of liked how that just all came out you had vigilantes and like they said you have vigilantes killing scrolls r.i.p my dog shooter mcgavin by the way i know they had to kill him off too yeah you have uh you have people killing people that they think are scrolls but they're human so then you have that paranoia side, and then you have the Skrulls killing all the fucking humans that are trying to kill them. So that was fucking awesome.

That little bit of the show, they could have extrapolated, put more of that kind of vibes into the show, along with some more reveals, and I don't think it's asking too much to have really... I don't think it would have been asking too much to do a couple things that could have fixed it and made it perfectly fine. they just kept killing maria hill that was the thing

what do we do kill colby smolders again you gotta fucking pay her agent and i don't think she died this episode did you did we see her die they didn't they didn't show the recap this episode and i noticed that she didn't she didn't get the uh the credits martin freeman did he was the first one to get it um but the final montage was great i thought when they actually shoot roadie in the in the head i was like whoa fuck that was like violent they show you shooting through the skull so i thought that was cool trying to think of any other like positives keeping olivia coleman alive like i mentioned i'll do that with the finale i mean they kept it short i guess

short and sweet but yeah so i liked seeing some of the power like when guy turned it had the mantis yeah i like that i was like oh mantis you're here hey what's up mantis sleep he goes down but then all the different arms was so fucking stupid and i get it like with the fantastic four thing oh you got a couple tweets i got a couple tweets about that at least like you know the super scroll has the power of all four fantastic four members so it should be but you're telling me captain marvel captain marvel was taking down that ship in end game like if you could do that but you're also hulk but you're also mantis but you if you could do that but you're also Hulk but you're also Mantis but you're also the Ice

Giant but you're also like too much just a little too much in the words of Rocky Raccoon it's a bit much they could have easily actually probably have been alright if they didn't have Captain Marvel there and you still have the Hulk which

it would have been hard to say but like Captain Marvel she showed up for like uh you know she was in there and like like the middle of the eighth inning she didn't come anywhere near so it's like i know thanos like you know beat her up a little bit but you could say oh didn't get any of her dna she's you know and are they gonna talk about that like he took his friend's dna without her consent oh it's a little weird oh that's gonna be the thing that ends up taking him down is the consent of dna stuff good call bob good call shocked that the president survived by the way but here he gave him that line it was a little corny to me where you're a one-term president like uh yeah we get it someone's next yeah harrison's coming in we

know it so again we were like oh president's dead meat next. Yeah. Harrison's coming in. We know it. So, again, we were like, oh, president's dead meat because Harrison Ford's coming in. Nope. He basically tells you he's going to lose the election to Harrison Ford, which I'm now thinking the election will be during the Captain America stuff. Yeah, that's what I think is how it's all going to take place. It'll go like one of them. That's just my guess. And like, cool if we're going to see like a campaign from Harrison Ford as Thunderbolt Ross. Like, that would be cool in my eyes. But I don't know. It's another thing that makes this show feel like it's just never going to be referenced. Because it's like, oh, we're in the same spot we were beforehand. Same guy's president.

I guess he just hates Skrulls now. But he's going to be out of office anyway. He's a real meanie, too. Yeah, he pissed Fury too yeah he pissed fury obviously what the fuck was that man it's like i saved your life and you just you know went in on them and poor like i guess kind of just shows talos he fought for all this and it just didn't make a goddamn difference even if he saved the goddamn president's life i guess i mean if you think about it the president from Skrulls and was saved by a Skrull. And that didn't just like wipe it clean in his mind. He was like, no, it must be all bad.

Because even though the guy who saved my life was a Skrull and gave his life in the middle of doing so. They better reference him in the Marvels. They better have a little reference. Say his fucking name. I don't care how you pronounce it. Just say that name. I was going through my notes looking for some more positives that i'd written down i don't think i saw any um but i did this you mentioned it before and i just have to say it again that gravic fury scene was actually kind of

cool you could feel the gravity come out with it and the gravic actor i'm telling you he's fucking awesome he's in barbie if you guys didn't see Barbie, he's great in Barbie, too. He is. He's kind of just a background cam, but he's great. They do that scene, and you're like, oh, shit. That was fucking emotional. And he did it all to not Nick Fury. So he poured his heart out, and it wasn't even Nick Fury in the end.

Ah! What are we doing? What are we doing? All right. Let's move on from Secret Invasion, because, yeah, this is just going to – I got one more good thing. I got one more good thing. One more?

Okay. Okay. One more good thing to end on. Someone said it. This is now in the realm of possibilities in the end of the season. We are or can get Olivia Colman and Julia Louis-Dreyfus having a showdown. Ooh, that would be awesome. Sass off. We're going to have Olivia Colman, Julia Louis-Dreyfus having a showdown. Ooh, that'd be awesome. Sass off. We're going to have Olivia Colman

and Julia Louis-Dreyfus. A civil war. Yeah, like they each put a team together. Oh, give us that. Build behind Olivia Colman. You have to nerf Gaia immediately. The only thing you could do with Gaia's character is introduce a weakness at this point. Because otherwise

she'll kill dr strange the hulk and thor in one quick swoop she has to be like the aliens from signs that are allergic to water they try to take over earth and they realize they're allergic to water which was again like this like that was the dumbest fucking twist in the history of movies shout out at night so they might throw in like a baby yoda type thing with her where she could you know get into a fight but then she's gotta take a nap for a sec i like that there we go she takes she's oh just passes out he was so cute when he did that throw baby yoda in the show fuck it like you can't get that when baby yoda's in the show the mando had a couple of speed bumps along the way and baby yoda was there to kind of cover them all. Maybe, maybe Gaia, something happens with her.

She explodes. I don't know. And then like people just wake up and I'm like, oh, I can like this guy, Scott. He just like shoots lasers out of his eyes. Don't know how that happened. Oh, this girl, Jean. She has like these psychic powers. Xavier, he has psychic powers too.

Just make her the birth of the X-Men. I don't fucking know. I'm not here for the big bang of Gaia. Whoa, that sounded wrong. That sounded really wrong. You can watch that in Game of Thrones. Yeah, no, I'm not here for that introduction of the X-Men. Let's talk to the people about C4, WWE and C4.

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So yeah, let's hear it. Eddie Guerrero versus Rey Mysterio in a ladder match for the custody of Rey's son, Dominic. Definitely did not see this. That's the best part about wrestling. You never know what's coming in like a match. It's a Mad Libs every time. That was an an absolute mad lips and this is the ultimate mad lips so obviously you know ray and eddie right yes of course yeah yeah legends legends if you don't see latino heat

at this point or was latino heat over with this no this is latino heat yeah um eddie and ray if you don't know if you're not a wrestling fan two guys that started their career in mexico in the 90s uh they both both wrestled for triple a which is like a huge company in mexico introduced to america in 1995 when paul hayman brings them to ecw they kind of rise through the ranks together as friends fan favorites and eddie is Dominic's godfather outside of the ring. So everyone knows that they're actually like boys outside the ring. Eddie jumps to WWE in 2000. Rey comes in 2002, a couple years later,

and Rey's always portrayed as a family guy on screen. He has Dominic on his shoulders as he wins his first title in the WWE Cruiserweight title. Eddie and Rey then win the tag titles together in late 2004, early 2005. And at that year's WrestleMania, they have a friendly exhibition. Did they have a team name? I think they were just Eddie and Ray, I'm pretty sure. They might have been Latino Heat.

I just love when they have a good team name you know i love the rock and sock connection even if they're they're two individual wrestlers and then they get a name i always love stuff like that i love that you know what i always loved too when they would combine theme songs if like wrestlers got a mashup of themes once they joined a tag team i love that but after the friendly exhibition at wrestlemania 21 eddie turns on ray of course and eddie says i'm gonna reveal a huge family secret about you ray mysterio everyone is pleading with eddie even eddie's family on screen please don't do this eddie it's not worth it you know so the families get involved and they say let's have a match to settle this. If Ray wins, the secret is safe.

If Eddie wins, you get to reveal the secret. So they have the match at the Great American Bash. Ray wins. So the secret is safe. Huge moment for the Mysterio family. They're crying. They're hugging each other. You got to know three things about Eddie Guerrero.

He lies, he cheats, and he steals. He lied. So he just revealed the secret anyway. And this is the secret. Eddie and his wife, while they were separated, Ray and his wife were having trouble having a baby. This girl came to Eddie Guerrero with a baby and said, Eddie, this is your bastard son.

And he said, I don't want anything to do with that baby. But he took the baby anyway, and he gave it to Ray and his wife to raise. And that baby's Dominic. Wow. That is a little hardcore WWE writing right there. This is seven year old Bob Fox watching this. Seven years old. My mind is blown and I'm terrified.

And I'm like like is this gonna happen to me one day where child protective services come in to play and they you know get custody papers involved and they take dominic away and they're like listen the only way to solve this is obviously a ladder match where the contract hangs in the balance and the custody papers hang in the balance so at summer slam 2005 they had a ladder match with you know a clipboard literally hanging with the custody papers that you could sign eddie's wife vicky in the front row ray's wife ray's kid dominic in the front row as well and like they get involved dominic jumps into the ring, tries to shake the ladder while Eddie's on it.

Vicky comes and tips the ladder while Eddie's on it. Cause even Eddie's wife is like, you're crazy. I don't want anything to do with this. In the end, Ray wins huge moment. I was hugging my family, like thanking God for Ray's family. And now Dominic Mysterio is in the WWE. He wrestled against Ray Mysterio at WrestleMania last year. He'll be at SummerSlam this year.

He's in the Judgment Day. He's kind of like a shit heel now, but he has more heat than maybe anyone in the company. It's great. Really? That much? Wow. And he's rocking an Eddie Guerrero mullet as well in tribute to Eddie. Nice. That's a great moment right there seven-year-old bob fox i mean some of the family issues come out like i remember back when i was around that age

that was when macho man and elizabeth were going through their issues and all that kind of stuff so that's awesome i actually have a summer slam moment you want to hear my summer slam oh please yeah as soon as you said summer slam i immediately like two things first of all highway to hell uh stone cold undertaker you heard that song so many times building up to it and it was garden and it went to the garden obviously and just i don't even remember anything with the match i just remember the build-up to it was so incredible but the big summer slam match as soon as you said summer slam my mind went there and it was probably one of the first summer slams I had watched 1990 SummerSlam eight-year-old club this was and it was Earthquake versus Hulk Hogan and I'm a die-hard Hogan guy and I was watching it with my family I still remember we like we

called up the cable company to get the pay-per-view it was such an old it was the first I did the call I heard like the little okay you're now blah blah blah you can now watch wrestle summer slam 1990 and it pops up on the screen you have your snacks out all the boys are there with their dads it was beautiful and my boy was there my boy joe lightning as i've called him because he always had lightning and mario kart because he was so bad at it and we're just diehard hulkamaniacs we have the shirts we're eating our prayers eating our prayers saying our vitamin your prayers listen to this and uh we're we're saying our prayers eating our vitamins and earthquake just you know somehow earthquake who's just this big dude uh a unit is a skullet yeah you don't think the uh mullet but he's bald on top skullet yep that's a very good which hogan had as well i guess and yes some of the best wrestlers ever rocked skullets that's that's a very good which hogan had as well i guess and yes i get some of the best wrestlers

ever rocked skullets that's that's basically like how you get into wrestling i think is to have a skullet and i'm like there's no way earthquakes can even touch hogan hogan's a big it's the big show he's gonna show up blah blah blah and somehow some way earthquake has the upper hand who would have thought and he does the earthquake which people don't know the opponent would be down in the middle of the ring he would start jumping on the ring saying the earthquake splash is coming and he just kept doing the earthquake splash which is he runs off the ropes and just puts his big ass right on him and he keeps doing it and my buddy joe lightning goes we gotta get out of here he's gonna kill him he's gonna kill him and we're just two hokamaniacs that think we're about to watch our idol just get

killed on screen and i was like i was like i can't leave but i was ready to and joe lighting left the room and obviously you know because a fat guy keeps sitting on it fat guy keeps sitting on him and you know what happens he hulks up again you know blocks a punch shakes no hit some big leg drop one two three and that was like not only did my hero win my hero survived he survived it was unbelievable to this day that's like honestly when wrestling means it's most to you that is what i think of is when i thought hulk hogan was going to be uh flattened to a pancake by earthquake's ass yeah no that's a great one I don't know if it's SummerSlam 1998, if it's that match or if it's different,

if it's a rematch of Earthquake and Hogan, but there's an all-time chair shot in one of those matches to Earthquake's back, I think, right after he takes a horrible shot. It's so funny, though. Me and my brother would rewatch it over and over and over again. Earthquake and Typhoon, the natural disasters, that's an all-time tag team name.

Great team name of two individuals. Great team jimmy jimmy mouth of the south and then it's always what people say it's like me eddie are the the natural disasters and dave's are are jimmy hart on the dozen i love that shout out jimmy hart by the way he has looked the exact same for my entire lifetime he has not changed we i actually just had a conversation the day of Jimmy Hart was still alive because it's like been forever. He was like no spring chicken back in the day either. You know, like he was,

didn't look old, but I guess he still doesn't look old. So shout out to him. He looks the exact same picture. Jimmy Hart, the way you remember him. That's how he looks right now. Jimmy Hart is,

oh my God. Born 1944. Shout out Jimmy Hart, man. 79 years old from Jackson, Mississippi. I, I had asked this question. I didn. Shout out Jimmy Hart, man. Uh, 79 years old from Jackson, Mississippi. I, I had asked this question.

I didn't think it was like, he's not related to the Hart brothers. Right. And he is not, he's not part of that, but that would have been amazing if he was like the runt of the hearts where everyone else being wrestlers, like Jimmy,

you're going to be a manager. You don't really have like what it takes to be a wrestler. You just got the hair, the poof. All right right that was my mom's basement for this week i'm glad we could bring the vibes up with uh some good summer slam memories at the end thank you c4 that was thank you c4 and i think for the uh next week we'll have a couple more summer slam memories before the pay-per-view itself so appreciate c4 for sponsoring the pod and at least bringing the vibes up after we

recapped a not so great marvel finale but you know what now we've got some time off between the next show and and this show next show for us will be ahsoka we're finally going to do that boogie nights podcast yes yes let's go so maybe next week why not yeah yeah there's nothing, I don't think there's anything else in the meantime. So yeah, let's rock and roll with that. What's the, we'll do. Yeah.

Boogie nights. What was the hashtag? Something, something Gaia explosion of Gaia or what was it? It was like a guy getting banged or something. I get pounded. What did I say? It was something bad.

Big bang of Gaia. Big bang of Gaia. Yeah. That's gross. All right, guys, we'll see you next week. Go watch of Gaia. Big bang of Gaia. Yeah, that's gross. All right, guys. We'll see you next week. Go watch Boogie Nights. That's your homework.

We'll be talking about it on the show next week.