My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 310 - LOKI SEASON 2 EPISODE 5 WITH CLEM

Episode Date: November 4, 2023

Robbie and Clem break down the PENULTIMATE episode of Loki Season 2, where the God of Mischief is tasked with re-assembling the team! What final predictions do we have before the finale next week?! Plus, there's plenty of talk about the future of the MCU and the 'Echo' trailer. #Loki #MCU #MarvelStudios ****************************************  Subscribe to My Mom's Basement on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIeZ96PqdsJYQ7DFLRx6MHw My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement, presented by 3C and Barstool Sports, and a very special Loki Season 2, penultimate edition of My Mom's Basement. That's right, Episode 5, we've got one left next week apologies for the delay on this episode um if you're a longtime barstool fan you know dave says he's got noodle brain sometimes to make it a little more loki appropriate i'll say i got spaghetti brain today because i just came back from uh cancun some are calling it cancun the trip of cancun because it was during loki um and we're recording this at 8 p.m right right now. We got picked up from our hotel at like 5.45 a.m. So I'm a little spaghetti brained, but we're going to make it through what was a very

good penultimate episode of Loki, I thought. How are we doing, Clem? Doing good, Bob. Welcome back. You're holding it together pretty well. I don't know what's going on inside that brain right now, but I wouldn't even know that you are. I mean, Jesus Christ, man, that is a long time to be awake. And everyone has that post-travel. I need a shower or just unwind a little bit, take a nap maybe. And you're just, you know what that is for me. I'm going to say that H word, you're a hero. The good H word, not the bad H word.

Oh no, oh Bob. I mean, come on. This guy, Bob. That's the H man, not the H word. True. I mean, it is kind of the H word. A little bit. It is as much a word as it is a name.

That's fair. That's fair. My post-travel move is just like your guy, Tony Stark. I just needed an American cheeseburger after a week of resort food, which was very hit and miss. I was like, I just need McDonald's. My girlfriend felt the same way we got mcdonald's and i'll say it i tried the mambo sauce today big fan i thought it was really good i oh if that reminds me i have an instagram video that's just been sitting there unopened i

reviewed it myself i i like the jam more the sweet and spicy jam it's the only thing i don't like is that it's called a jam but i i get the jam as well it's a little thicker than the sauce of the bombo sauce so i do appreciate that they did uh you know show the differences there but man there is sometimes you just got to get your your mouth on a burger as soon as you get back to the country start waving a flag and fucking eagle flies down you're probably america fuck yeah was probably just playing in your head as you're eating that stuff totally and you know what else i'm drinking pepsi right now had some mexican pepsi now i like mexican coke a lot everyone knows i'm a pepsi over coke guy if you

know me you know that about me mexican pepsi no bueno as they say in mexico not good wow i'm i'm i'm kind of devastated by that like Like Coke must just be cleaning up. Mexican Pepsi people, you guys got to figure this out because the Mexican Coke, hey, man, I've done these rankings for Barstools for years. When you're talking Cokes, it's the big three of Cokes. Let's be honest. It's the McDonald's Coke. It's the Santa Coke.

And it's the Mexican Coke. You want to throw the glass bottle? All one of the same in my mind, even though there are different levels. And Mexican Pepsi just punting. They're just punting like we're just going to throw the glass bottle all one of the same in my mind even though there are different levels they hit and mexican pepsi just punting they're just punting like we're just going to try the american we're going to go back here and just try to win the american audience we're not even going to try to to get mexico so i almost respect the game on that yeah it was not good stuff i don't i don't think i finished a single can that i cracked which is unlike me now i have to say this for the people that are listening the people on youtube can see it there's one thing that concerns me right now bob can you

tell me i know i think you might be paler than when you left are we doing the beach do we have spf 100 on spf 50 i think it was especially on the face but But yeah, I mean, listen, I got, look, I'm tan. Okay. A little bit. A little bit. Not really. You know, I'm playing against myself by wearing a tan hoodie. I'm a little, I don't know.

Yeah. I don't, I listen. My goal was just to not get burnt out there and that's mission accomplished. Fair enough. My goal, my, actually my strategy has become get burnt like day like throw the the lotion on when you can and just take the burn at some point and then by the time you get back you're like i'm usually a perfect like dave says what is it the the cookie gold the chocolate cookie brown whatever it may be my sicilian blood comes out after i get some sun in me the irish comes out i'm red and

then i'm brown for like two weeks it's absolutely, uh, I just had to call you out on that. Cause I was a little, my Italian never peaks and said, it's crazy. Uh, uncle Bella, Della, Della Bella, you know, never. I see, this is the thing. I used to go to Jamaica with some buddies every year. We did Jamaica for spring break three years in a row because it works for the drinkers. It works for the drug heads. It works for people who just want to go and hang out with girls or go on the beach. And the guys who do the drugs, especially the ones that are a little harder, they would come home whiter than when they left, which was always hilarious to me. The parents were like, what the fuck were you doing down there for a week? So not me.

I always came back again, golden brown. But my guy, Bob, I just have to make sure he's all right and getting his son. But I was in the sun a decent amount. We did the pools and stuff. I tried a bunch of drinks off what I called Clem's menu because you just texted me a couple things you thought I would like. You hit with all of them. The Miami Vice, the Mud Slide. I didn't do a strawberry daiquiri on its own because we did the Miami Vice, and I did a pina colada on its own.

So it was like, all right, I already got a taste of that. But I tried a mahi-mahi, as we were saying last week um the mai tai didn't love the mai tai which this is gonna sound bad on me it wasn't sweet enough for me i know people are like that's a sweet drink but i need like real sweet well and that's what i'm saying you really cannot go the bartender has to be trying really hard to fuck you over. If they fuck up a frozen drink, that is probably 90% sugar and just a little bit of booze. All it is. The, my tie is like a legitimate drink that you're getting with bar and

they're mixing stuff up. So, or excuse me, the Mahi Mahi, did you have, did you end up eating any Mahi Mahi? Are you a fish guy? I am a fish guy,

but we, we didn't like eat at like a fish place. We went to an Italian spot, went to steakhouse. We went to another Italian spot. We went to Steakhouse. We went to another spot. The week is kind of a blur because we're all obviously still getting acclimated to being back. But it was fun. We had a group of 14 at this resort.

14? Holy moly. I was fucking packed. Yeah. It was a good time, though. Really good time. Cancun was always like the, at least when I was growing up, that was like the main spot where everyone would go for spring break.

And we kind of stayed off that. Cause it did feel like the, the main spot where you're just going to have a billion spring breakers. This is obviously a different time of year, but 14 people, man, Bob Fox rolling deeper than the fucking TVA crew. Shout out to you guys.

Yeah. Um, Gia will be back next week for the finale, by the way, she's at a concert tonight obviously we had to like throw this in a blender schedule wise because of the cancun trip so she'll be back for the finale she's at a concert hopefully hopefully she's enjoying it forget who was uh someone someone that renee rap that's who it was. Because I got recommended Renee Rapp recently. I think Jaya, we're going to see if she's able to.

I feel like she's going to have to do some heavy lifting on the Marvels here. Because I feel like- You may. I feel like we need- I don't think she's excited for it though. Everyone is not very excited for it. Yeah. From what I can gather.

And I'm like, man, it is easier to do these things when there's three people just kind of bouncing ideas. I can't remember a Marvel movie with less hype going into it. And listen, we give everything a fair shake here. I'm almost like scared of what the reviews are going to be. You're going to have like the bigots who are going to download it or give it bad reviews without even seeing it just because that's the world we live in.

But I feel like this has a chance. I think this was one of the last things that happened before marvel's like ready to hit the reset and rein things in this was already done it's like listen there's one more clunker coming there's nothing kevin can do about this one which i will do the news at the end of this like the marvel yeah we'll touch on that stuff that happened um during the week for that motherfucker jerry thornton castellani they were just picking these stories left and right on the blog. And I was like, ah, I got to wait for my guy, Bob, to talk about it.

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Please use responsibly. All right, let's get into Loki. This episode is called science fiction, science slash fiction though. Cause we get into science versus fiction, not just science fiction, but all of the above.

I also watched this episode this morning at like 7 a.m on my phone in the airport so i really did my best with the notes and everything i think i got everything i had these headphones on and everything so loki is immediately reacting to the explosion from last week we pick up like the second after that happens and he turns around to see nobody behind him starts walking around the mptva love the way they shot that and cut to like it almost looked like a continuous shot of him in different locations and stuff and he time slips once again and he's like oh you gotta be fucking kidding me this cannot be happening again but then he sees himself with the tva book he does does the hello thing. The whole scene loops. We see it from the other Loki's point of view.

And then the desks, the walls, everything. Spaghetti's just like Kang last week or Victor Timely last week. I love this visual effect, even on like the desks and stuff. It looks like weird and almost gross. And I liked the way that they once again started this with like all right shit's fucked and that's a big theme of this episode by the end i mean spoilers by the end we're just pretty much in the same spot we were last week but loki's got some new powers but the whole episode kept me like on the edge of my seat i loved all the

backstory stuff we got which we'll get into. But great start to it. I like how you said the theme. And I thought you meant the theme was, all right, shit's fucked. I'm like, yeah, that is, I guess, a theme. That is pretty much the theme. Shit's fucked. That's the MCU state, I think, other than Loki right now.

It's all right, shit's fucked. Like you said, you said it perfectly. You said, I watched the episode. And you go, I cannot believe the studio that made this is the same studio that made Secret Invasion. I always get secret words in Secret Invasion, as you can tell. So the big flash comes, and it's going in on Loki. And then it's like, all right, what's going to happen next? I thought we got bamboozled. I thought everything was just going to be fine.

And I'm like, oh, that dog Kang, he did something here and somehow timely turned into spaghetti. Now, two things. I like the spaghetti effect. I like the way it looks. I like all that. However, by the end of the episode, we got enough spaghetti effect. It started feeling like the snap dust. Am I right?

The whole end of this episode had infinity war vibes for sure i mean fucking guy ob we called that from the jump when i said bb vibes remember from inside i'm not even gonna say it not gonna say it thank you for not saying it very close to that by the end and very close to almost i expected him to look at loki like mr lofusen i feel so good yeah yep so okay so i'm not alone and again i think it's kind of like there's really nothing they can do but it's like to have it where every all the beloved characters are like vanishing and they had to change it obviously like that spaghetti effect makes more sense almost now because it's like oh yeah they couldn't have them turn to dust yeah that was like oh thanos is

stabbing me oh my god i i i need to read that in a marvel thing be like someone wanted to turn industrial like you fucking boob that can't happen i feel actually no that wouldn't have happened that would happen in secret invasion the guy would be like what what's end game what do you guys this end game you guys keep talking about? This show, clearly people know the source material. They care about the source material. It wouldn't happen there. So I'm with you very much so. I also was like,

what the fuck's going on? And I've been saying that literally every episode, I think since season one, to be honest with you, episode one. But as we keep going, I'm like, this is going to be a lot of heavy lifting. I think I kind of have an idea of where we stand now so that's that's a w and by the end of the episode seems like they have like you said more of an idea of what's going on but they still don't really know what's going on this episode was almost easier to understand because it's a lot

of backstories right after the title sequence we get into case Casey's backstory. Mr. What's a fish was one of the three prisoners that escaped from Alcatraz in 1962. He escapes with two other guys. That's the whole story. Three guys, I think, escaped in general. My uncle text me. Uncle Fun said not to escape from Alcatraz. Clint Eastwood movie. Apparently a direct little reference to that.

And they reuse the gut got us like a fish line he's like we got to get out of here they're gonna gut us like fish Loki time slips in they're like almost in a deserty area and Casey's real name is apparently Frank they're like why is he calling you Casey I thought your name was Frank he's like my name is Frank I don't know who this guy is thought he was a guy that needed a boat for a getaway loki time slips again he's back at the tva where it's like not destroyed great backstory for a kind of a dope of a character yep frank uh frank morris was the name the alcatraz one of the three prisoners and they never found the prisoners so they just kind of vanished and it's very much like the db cooper right where he just disappears into thin air i love that and i we

love that first one we love it here it's definitely i don't think we'll get obviously too much more those kind of callbacks but anytime you can tie something real into the mcu and it's like a great mystery or whatever and they kind of explain it on its own very cool stuff very cool stuff so i'm with you on that i also feel like granted i do this all the goddamn time and I'm wrong a lot more times than I write. I think I threw Casey in the sus list relatively recently. Being like, something's up with him. I'm just going to come out and say it. Casey's a dick.

He's an asshole. He's a fucking dick. He kind of is. Like the real Casey, that's the struggle is like, who is the real Casey? Is it the pure form at the TVA, mind wiped, or is earth at the alcatraz version i like the tva version way better this version trying to steal shit trying to get away with everything his name is frank not that frank is a bad thing but for him it just doesn't make sense he's a casey yeah and like this is the question here what did he i should have actually uh uh, let's see,

Frank, Frank. What was he in prison for? What was he in prison for? He spent a lifetime navigating the prison system before his arrival at Alcatraz. He was shuffled from one foster home to another, another,

and he was convicted of his first crime at the age of 13. Uh, later in his teens, his, his, uh, criminal record included narcotics possession, armed robbery, and, uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Okay. All right, troubled youth. He's right. We're not signing off on armed robbery. I was thinking we had, like, murders. I thought we had bodies here. But this strikes me. I think we've learned this about Casey.

You wipe this guy's mind clean you get all those awful you know memories of the foster care not such a bad guy it's like nurture versus nature you know what i mean true that's a great science reference we're talking science fiction science bitch i i might i might come like discuss this in my brain every day like does my son act like this because of me or is it because of just the nature and i just i just don't know the reason bob i just don't know i just hope he doesn't become i hope he doesn't get sent to whatever alcatraz is when he's older in about 13 years or so that'd be real bad hopefully not aj we're gonna keep him off that path um we see b15 as a doctor pediatrician in 2012 here's how tiny my freaking brain is i see

2012 and i'm like that girl got hurt in the battle new york awesome and it's like she climbed the tree 2012 new york no less let's call it what it is i mean come on yeah new york and the question is do we get that payoff later where we get a first Avengers movie in the background when she gets sent in? Or is it just like, aha, I got you. I died. I'm going to say something that just came to mind that might be heartbreaking. What if she dies in the Battle of New York in her real life? What if she's trying to save people running in and stuff?

And it's like, maybe she doesn't want to go back to that life because it doesn't go past that point or something. Killed by Loki. Oh, that would be good. That would be good. Kind of want it to happen. That's kind of fucked up. I just wish a doctor. They're definitely going to pay that off.

Right. At some point. Are they going to go back to that, though? I don't know. I don't see. This is our tiny brains. We see 2012 and we're like they're going to that battle not necessarily we got to pull the brakes on that but she puts a cast

on a little girl she signs that she signs across the whole cast which i was like you're taking up a lot of real estate the class is going to want to sign that but she writes like don't climb on trees anymore it's a nice scene where you can see she's just a nice person in real life and then loki shows up super briefly but then we get maybe the best moment of this episode our guy mobius on his jet ski he's in cleveland ohio his real name is don which is uh contrary to frank being a horrible name for casey don is almost the perfect name for this version of mobius. And it's 2022. He's just trying to sell jet skis at his jet ski shop. Loki comes in trying to talk about the TVA. Also, when Loki comes in and he warps in, like the wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube, man. Good shot.

Very good shot. And he's like, the TVA, like Mobius, you don't understand. He's like an ATV. You want an ATV? I got ATVs upstairs, right upstairs. I can't do the own. All right. Better than mine.

I will say that. Good work, Bob. How good was this man? Oh, I'm just happy it paid off. I'm happy we got it again. Two things. One, I wanted to see him out there. Just, you know, shredding some weight.

Yeah. I would have liked to see him legitimate action mode or, or I'm going to, I'm just going to say call. What is it? Kind of like said it lasting a little bit. I kind of fell in love with my wedding crashers alternate. Yeah. And I'm like,

I don't, this is one in a billion chance payoff, but if it hits boy, is it going to hit? I, Rachel McAdams being there would have been. But him being in Cleveland of all places, we're thinking like he's going to be Malibu or something.

And it's like Cleveland. I don't think you should not be any of the mistake on the lake. You don't want to be near that lake on any kind of ski. Well, jet ski, regular ski, water skis, whatever it may be.

But man, it just felt good. Good ass salesman too. You can tell. Yeah. And he, he's like going through the grind. I appreciate it.

And like you said, the name Don, just hearing him get called. Perfect. Absolutely. Perfect. Also the guy it. And like you said, the name Don, just hearing him get called Don is absolutely perfect. Also, the guy being like, like you said, great salesman, the guy being like, I'm more in the market for a dirt bike. And he's like, some say the jet ski is the dirt bike of the sea. Like, that's a guy who knows how to sell a jet ski. And then you cut to OB in Pasadena, California in 1994, where he's trying to buy a science fiction book. And he puts it on the counter.

He's like, this guy's the best. He's got all the best work. You only got a few copies of this left on your shelf. You better read it fast if you want to. They're trying to ring it up, and they're like, this isn't scanning. They open up to the back page. put his own books on the shelf of this bookstore and tries trying to give them money for his own book, just to try to, you know,

get, get the word out, get the hype up and whatnot. And they throw them out on the streets. He drops his books on the way out. Oh my God. My heart broke for him. He's a hustler.

Homie shadow. Our guy will be for doing whatever it takes. I appreciated the fuck out of that move. It's an outrageous move, but Hey, like if you're just trying to move those, trying to move that paper, baby, you got to make it work some way or another.

It reminds me of when Portnoy used to put in ads for steakhouses that weren't paying him. He just would put them in. So other people would be like, oh, I got to advertise in this too. And I said, holy fuck, that guy Dave is really fucking smart business wise. You got to do what you got to do, baby. And said holy fuck that guy dave is really fucking smart business wise you got to do what you got to do baby and that's what he was doing so uh again tip of the

cap what was his name did we get his name we we definitely did because it's definitely on all the books but like i said i watched it at like 7 a.m on my phone in the cancun airport i did not get it written down i mean you know what i'm gonna do this here so we don't get yelled at we don't get our our mentions uh let's see let's see if i can look this up real quick come on i was gonna say while you find that i think i've told the story before but based on dave doing that like pitting advertisers against each other thing when i was trying to send dave shirt designs in high school i thought it would be smart to tell him i had other offers for the designs i was sending him until i sent him a design that he had the idea for and i was like hey some other sites you're trying to buy this like are you interested just trying to get a

response out of the guy and he was like i would recommend you never ever sell one of my designs if you ever want a job and and like sent me like a stern email and it broke my heart oh no bob yeah and i've i've talked about it with him since and every time i tell this story he's like in tears laughing at like sending me a mean email in high school you gotta love like uh board boy he just doesn't care he's just gonna laugh at your ass and oh man yeah it was and the the actual design was a mets design it was um i think cindergarten de grom is the rockers oh that's a good man yeah i would have sold that was yeah that was that the one he was that's the one he was gonna sell he had the idea for that shirt, and I sent him my concept or my design, and it wasn't great.

I could probably still find it. I'll go back and try to find it for you. That would be funny if then Kevin finds out that, like, who the fuck is this Robbie Fox guy trying to get my Mets money here? Yeah. Did you find his name or no? I tried. I tried to figure it out. OB. Did you find his name or no? I tried. I tried to figure it out. We're going to call him OB.

We're going to call him OB. And OB goes back, I guess home or at least to his lab. He said it's in like a very discreet location where Loki time slips right into his spot. And he's more receptive to the whole idea of time slipping than anyone else because he writes science fiction he's like oh this is just like my time travel book the sons of yoron and loki's like what is that he's like it's only my best-selling book ever like i might

be able to find you a copy he's sitting on like a mountain of them he he's just he's so delightful as an actor he reminds me of data like on screen i'm like this is data all grown up from the fucking goonies even when he builds the tent pad later i'm like this is fucking data you you have your wedding crashers analogy i love my goonies thing here i just want uh them to wrap in all of these random universes that's what the temporal loom is it's like wedding crashers and goonies and marvel and next week we're probably gonna have like martian manhunter show up or something it's it's like when um trent did the whole thing about stepbrothers being the sequel to elf or elf being the stepbrothers oh ad doug

ad doug is his name boom and i only knew that i i just looked it up but i i saw it in the captions now i thought does that mean he's an a.d somewhere i thought he was an a.d at like a college or something athletic director and i'm like what's going on yeah i'm thinking r.a.a.d.a.p professor i was all over the teachers theoretical physics at caltech and that it's a funny back and forth where he loki's like jesus fucking christ you're you're a science fiction writer in real life we're doomed and he's like yeah and even lamer i teach theoretical physics at caltech and had to get my phd in that just to make ends meet loki's like okay let's talk about this so they talk about the difference between science and fiction and time slipping and the when and the where and the why and i liked this because it

almost did an endgame-esque thing for me when endgame explains time travel as like listen chill out we're not doing this like any other movies these are our own own rules. Just pay attention. Follow along for the ride. Have fun. They kind of did that here where they're like, let's stop talking about science. This shit is fake. It's fiction. Let's just talk about why and who and whatever. Obie says you got to learn to control the time slipping, like use it as a power.

And he keeps trying to no avail. And then I love Obie just tases him. And then he scares him just to try to get it out of him and he's you know doing science i love that too this oh it doesn't work at all uh i basically and i i would imagine you and probably a good amount of the people listening and watching i just smocked nodded and smiled and i was like, uh-huh, yep, whatever you guys say. Like that was – I appreciated an end game when they did the whole time thing and they're like, listen, it is what it is. But at the same point, this is how we're going to do it.

This one was like, it's weird. Don't worry about it. You can put a map out. You can spend the next 10 years of my life and you can make it in the wrestling terms of road trip to make everything make sense to me. I'm still never going to completely understand it. So just, I'm going to nod my head and I'm going to smile and it's not going to make sense. I can understand that. So I appreciate that. Also, I just looked it up. A.D. Doug, Arthur Douglas is the name of a human man that killed Thanos while on a convert mission to earth. Aware of Thanos' immense power,

the man Titan's father, Alars, and his grandfather, Kronos, took Douglas' spirit and created a new body for it. Thus, the future guardian of the galaxy, Drax the Destroyer, was born and made it in his mission to exact revenge on Thanos. So we got some nice little Easter eggs here, fellas, about A.D. Doug. Apologies, A.D. Doug. I wasn't familiar with your game. I felt like we had to make it up to the audience. We were clueless there for a minute. I had to drop some

knowledge on them there. So shout out to I better shout out to Looper.com for explaining that shit to me because I was lost there for a minute. And speaking of shout outs, let's shout out C4 Energy for sponsoring this show. Listen, I need some energy. I got C4 right here.

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in the words of Obi-Wan, as he's just trying to battle through this with no energy, he's more C4 energy than man. Yes. Obi says we got to get the band back together. And then you kind of see with the direction of this episode where it's going. And they need the group's

temporal aura for it to work like coordinates again don't know what they're really talking about here but i'm just trusting them i'm along for the ride i'm on a boogie board for this wave and loki gives him the tva handbook that he wrote and he's like you got to come up with this temporal uh the temp pad he's like that'll take a whole lifetime for me to come up with i don't know the technology he gives him the book he's like all right i'll get to work on it. And slips back into Cleveland where he sees Don with his honestly shithead sons. These troublemaker sons.

They're like Sid from Toy Story with the fucking light and matches on toys and stuff. And one is running away with matches. He sends the one after the other. He's a single dad. I feel bad for him. We don't know what the situation with the wife is. Maybe, again, they're holding out for the Rachel McAdams reveal after the other. He's a single dad. I feel bad for him. We don't know what the situation with the wife is. Maybe again, they're holding out for the Rachel McAdams reveal in the finale,

but shithead sons. Okay. I'm happy you said that. Cause I was like, these kids feel like the bad kids in school, which I didn't like about. And I don't know if it was, if how your spoilers,

someone said this too. He's like, Oh, your mom should just left suddenly did the mom get snapped because this is before end game right now and she just disappears and there's a chance our boy mobius aka don's gonna go back to his boys after saving the tva and mama's gonna come back and these little shithead sons are gonna stop being sids and be more like andy i'm telling you that fucking burt toy looked like a combat carl too i swear to god i if that we have

to ask the writer of loki if that was meant to be a combat carl because it looked just like oh no not combat carl so uh and i didn't notice this when i was watching it but someone i would have you for as well they had the old bed sheet out the window gag so one of them had escaped through the window oh like the tide like yes oh wow i didn't notice that either it's one of my favorite like old tropes like you'd always see the cartoons i blogged something like in the last few years where someone had the i think they escaped prison using it and i was like you just gotta like tip your cap like that yeah that's like it's fucking cartoon 101 the rug rats did that like diapers and shit you know uh so they are absolute shithead kids question is again nature versus nurture like would they be shithead kids if the mom was around is this guy too tied up i think about that

snap thing i think that's a good theory. That's a great theory. Cause especially the way he said, you know, she, we lost her so suddenly. So I'm thinking, oh man,

it must've been like a car accident or fast moving cancer or something, or just again, hurts as a Thanos guy. Does it make me look good right now that, you know, we're losing family members. As I'm looking at your infinity gauntlet, the tool allowed it to happen throw it on right up and there's the replica yep hey uh hey don how bad you want those kids back i can do it in the snap of a finger

right now buddy uh loki goes to don and he's like did you follow me home or you live in the neighborhood what's going on here he's very like, why is this guy from the store at my house right now? Big sus move. Big sus move. That would make me uncomfortable as well. He tries to explain what's going on, and it just makes it even more sus. And he shows him the two jet skis next to each other. He's like, I would never sell these, but I've got to get rid of one.

The wife's gone now. mean he like it's like kind of like very nice it's like a bro moment where he's like i would sell you one of my jet skis dude but loki's not interested in these jet skis ob eventually just walks in he like opens up one of those doors he walks in with what looked like a rudimentary like huge version of a temp pad and i liked that as well and he's like oh yeah he's like i thought you said that would take well and he's like oh yeah he's like i thought he said that would take a lifetime he's like more like 18 or 19 months like i went to work on this and it's been that long and boom here we go i have it again data all grown up yep i basically became a hermit like my personal life died my wife left his wife left him yeah that was like

not great loki y'all you're making me all these people go down a weird path but what is what do we got to do what did that loki say greater purpose i feel like that was obi's greater purpose so i appreciated that again this dude's been trying to he he wants to get to the tva just so he can write that book and you know move some fucking pages here so shout out to him for for doing it and our boy don can just sell water to a well and then he's gonna sell you a jet ski to ride on that water and shout out to him and that's the thing about don he would have sold you that jet ski but he would also call be like hey man i'm gonna try the old wilson impersonation i'm gonna embarrass him he'd be like let's go out it sounds

weird not doing the lower it's the one guy you can't not do the one yeah we're gonna go out we're gonna go for a little jet ski ride and and he would meet you every single time you wanted to go out and he would also be the one to invite you out when he was going out so if you're gonna buy a jet ski like that's the guy you if you're looking to jet ski the greater cleveland area there's nobody in the world better to do it with than my guy don i've never been on one but don made me want to get on one this summer bob i've been on far away i believe the first time i went on a jet ski was in cancun in cleveland in cleveland that would have been a twist uh and

it was fucking awesome and i just remember going back to my person i wanted jet ski so bad oh my god it was most fun and i've been on jet skis two times, and both times were absolutely incredible. Quick little Cleveland story for you. I'll keep this one under 60 seconds. Used to do a baseball trip every year. Used to hit two or three baseball stands with a bunch of buddies, take a van. Absolute great time. Went to Cleveland for an Indians game, obviously.

Now the Guardians. I don't want to get canceled. And we were tailgating. We had to go to the stadium at some point. We said, oh shit, girl was dead anyway. And when we came back to our car after the game was over, a bunch of homeless people are around. They were like, Hey man, we were just about to steal your grill. And we're like, oh, thanks.

Good thing you didn't. And then we went on the grill and someone had eaten the raw chicken that was just sitting there or at least taking it so cleveland interesting place we're just gonna leave it at that i'm just gonna say yeah i've been there a few times interesting place for sure jet ski capital of the world though it is yeah if you're looking to get to work it's a good way to commute quick commute along the river it's a good spot um finally they get mobius because they tell them your sons are in danger and like if you don't come with us like the world is in danger dude and i love when loki's explaining this to him and kind of showing him the previous interaction to say like i'll put you right back in this moment your sons won't even know you've been gone in the back uh ob i almost called them data ob is moving the

the door like up and down he's still trying to figure out like how to use the temp pad that he made. It was so great. And then they go grab Casey next, then be 15. Again, this is an assembling the team episode, reassembling the team for that temporal aura. And Sylvie is the final one.

She gets off her shift. She puts some McDonald's on her car and then it's spaghettis again, just into thin air. And another scene that made me want McDonald's tonight. You're welcome for the free ad McDonald's on her car and then it's spaghettis again, just into thin air. And another scene that made me want McDonald's tonight. You're welcome for the free ad McDonald's. Bob, now that you say that, and I told you this offline,

I did a Mambo sauce review, which I have, I have to upload Instagram. I had McDonald's today too. And it was not by any means planned it was i had to do something i had to eat really quickly i had to get home for a meeting and i was out doing something these fuckers from loki the inception the shit out of us here they made us all right tweet at us what's the hashtag cancun this week cancun this week yeah that's a good one tweeted us hashtag

cancun and also tell us if you ate mcdonald's the day after you watched whatever it may have been because i'm starting to think this was a goddamn marketing boy by marvel and hey listen if you guys need money to pay the bills because we know disney plus ain't doing it for you guys that's fine but i feel like i've been bamboozled i think i've been bamboozled here and i think all of us have uh this meetup it was like the avengers but like the one one millionth in terms of power what is avenging but much much much much much much much much much less impressive huh that's a good question clem the i'm looking i put in avenger Avenge Synonym Okay, rattle a couple off Punish, chastise

Vindicate Chastise The payback The paybackers That's funny, the paybackers Retributors This team is more like The rewriters though, right?

Yeah, the retaliators, the vindicators. Again, there's nothing in this group of misfits. Like this is, I, I almost want to know why King chose these people. Was he just like,

these guys are a bunch of bums or I don't know, but maybe it's just, they knew they would do their duty. Right. And they fucking, they did in the TVA for years. So whatever it was, but yeah, it felt like much low stakes version

of what Nick Fury did a decade ago. And when Loki shows up, he tries to give her the same speech he's giving everyone. He's like, I know this is going to sound crazy and you don't know who I am. And she's like, I know exactly who you are. You're Loki, you're me. What are you talking about?

She remembers everything, which is interesting. The Lokis's both of them they got it all they remember everything so they go to a bar together i like that the bar has the little arcade game of zaniac that was a nice little touch nice nod and sylvie tells loki basically he's being selfish for this whole plan she's like why are you really doing this he's like to save the world she's like why are you really doing it he's like all right i want to see the bros and he just wants to have another good journey good time with his pals good road trip type energy with his pals but she convinces him he is being selfish so he's like all right i only want to fix things to have friends better go back to ob's lab and tell them all

you know let's call this mission off which is a shock to all of them. Cause they're like, you just told us the world is ending. And now you're telling us you just want friends. We're like, what's happening right now. I think we still have to do this. And again, Casey, the real Casey Frank is just trying to rake Rob places with the temp pad. He's trying to steal it.

I didn't realize he stole it at first until I saw a thing about it. Cause I was like, I didn't believe him, but at first until I saw a thing about it. Cause I was like, I didn't believe him, but I felt dirty not believing him. If you know what I mean? I was like, Oh Frank,

I want to believe him, but I think you're bullshitting me. I don't think, I don't think the doctor stole it. I don't think the guy with the heart of gold raising his two kids by himself stole it. And then who's like, it's silly to as a fucking Kang pan.

She can do whatever the hell she wants yeah tough look tough look for our guy uh that's us bitch that's such bitch frank who's also really i i've been in that spot with that loki's in we're like man i'm gonna have to explain this to someone and then they're like oh no i know everything about it like someone will ask me something about barstool i'll be like all right now first let me tell you about frank the tank he's like oh no i know frank or let me tell you about ben mince oh i know mincy i love mincy it's like okay yeah you know the absolute ridiculous backstories that i'm about to yeah we can just get to the fucking the nuts and bolts of it all so yeah i appreciated that and i appreciate we

didn't have to go through this you know run around one last brown hog day yeah yes exactly um i loved this scene this next scene was Are you going to talk about the record store scene? The record store scene with them? I knew it. I knew, Bob. I knew you were going to go crazy. Bob, do you know that song? Did you already know that song?

Oh, of course. So this song, years ago when we did, what was the Barstool Shark Tank? The Big Brain? Yes, yes. When we did Big Brain, there was a company, I think it was called Rod Rodney, that was like a weed. It was like a bag, like a travel bag that you could put like medical weed in and it wouldn't smell or something. And they asked me to do like a smoker's playlist. And this song was on my smoker's playlist because, I mean, oh, sweet, nothing from the Velvet Underground.

I'm not even a huge Velvet Underground guy, but this song is all-time classic. And the way Sylvie struts in there, and she's friends with the record store clerk, which always having a good back and forth with the record store clerk is the best when he's got, like, a recommendation for you. He gives her that record. She pops it on, just vibes to the music. She was clearly stoned. You're not telling me she wasn't. She was on Edibles or something.

And then everything fucking spaghettis again up front at the record store like the window starts coming out he's looking out he's like what's going on he starts running back to sylvie and when she looks back man it almost looks like the inside of a fucking mushroom or something the way it's all like strains i mean that's what she was seeing for sure on her mushrooms. Did too much 3G, kind of one of those. Yes. Shout out 3G. Yeah.

This song goes well with 3G as well. Promo code Basement15. And I just used that. I told you, I just got my shipment. It's upstairs. I got my happy and my calm. Do you want to know what I am doing with 3G? I don't think it's a surprise.

Happy and calm. Imagine if I just got the 3G that just makes you rage. And I just turn it. The Louis Black inside out. Yeah. The Incredible Hulk one. And I just turn it. I just smash it in the garage for five hours at a time.

But that was just a dope scene. So I've never done the whole record store thing. Again, CDs were my thing when I was growing up. And I don't even know if I have a record store all that that close i probably have one or two that are not that far but i've just never gotten into it papa clem still has a record player big music guy drummer i think i've mentioned that in the past but just like a good ass like just get high and just sit at the record store like you have me spoiler said this feels like the record it's a loop that always has the same thing kind of what this whole show is.

It's just a big loop that's always happening. Very cool. He said he thinks Loki could be the customer that came in. I didn't even think the customer might mean anything, but the customer could mean something, right? And he takes away the bug. I guess so. So there are some potential thoughts that could be connected coming next episode. That scene might come back to us and it was cool how they almost like they saved the vinyl for last in terms of spaghettiing

that like zoom in shot of the vinyl spinning and then spinning out was really cool the way they shot the season was great i think the directors of this season i think it was a team of two guys i think they're doing daredevil Again, which is a very smart next move for them. Like do the next serious, very important show that obviously people are going to care about because Daredevil has that existing audience already from Netflix that are going to be like, you better not fuck this up. It's like we always say, oh, we're going to watch. We're going to watch.

Like we really are going to have to watch. Just so we have an idea of they're going to keep it going on somehow. And good for Daredevil bringing guys in that clearly are good at their job instead of whatever the fuck they... I'm not even going to go back. I won't even throw that show under the bus again, or the movie we've been throwing under the bus. Just some of the bad

choices MCU has made lately. Nicer. That was a nice move by you. And then back at the OB lab, Casey turns to Spaghetti, and then OB, and then back at the ob lab casey turns to spaghetti and then ob and then mobius then b15 again this was the infinity war vibes and loki looks back to sylvie and they're looking at each other that it's like the heat of the moment he's hearing all the voices of his friends that are now gone and he's freaking out screams and his face frigging warps into this crazy emoji looking face and he finally does it he finally controls the time slip and he sees the whole

group again and he says it's not about the where when why it's about who which again the science the fiction the complicatedness of all of the tA and temporal loom stuff, they threw it out the window for a second. And they were like, here it is very simply. Loki cares about his friends. He's got to think about his friends and save it as friends to be able to use this power. And now this power is like, this is like huge. Like Loki is, if he could slip through time and space he's almost doctor strange powerful am i crazy in saying that our boy loki is leveling up before our eyes man yes he's fucking like

i mean god like i mean we've already talked he is a god of mischief he kind of does the doctor strange stuff as it is and now he basically has a human he's like that he is a time stone it's it's i i don't know if any character has one more this phase than loki because he's doing it in terms of powers he's doing it in terms of like there's so many fans are like thank you you're one of the guys who showed up here this phase right yeah he's just getting like i said greg jennings with a broken leg perfect way to put it perfect way to put it and like the biggest part too man like i feel like loki wouldn't have been such a dick if he just had friends but he like you probably you know i bet thor was a good dude but i bet like he's kind of the he's almost too good of a dude where it's like listen man you're the varsity starting quarterback who's dating the

cheerleader and i'm getting nothing i'm getting no residuals off of that loki's in the band you know yes and he's also like the frost elf or whatever he is yeah everyone's kind of like ah fucking loki here so all thor's friends probably are dumping on him so i don't i can almost is it maybe it's like a uh rob stark john snow dynamic a little bit like you're the bastard here he's the chosen one maybe a little bit we know how that dynamic ended up john came out on top out of those two sure r.p my dog rob star no no uh r.p my direwolf rob stark uh but Yeah that's a good way to put it And now I'm like

Oh fuck yeah We got a Norse god that can really fuck some shit up here And go timelines And I'm like I'm also thinking two things A. We have Loki now We have him unlocked He's gonna be able to use magic

He's gonna be able to time hop Do all this shit And then I'm like Is he basically gonna be able to use magic. He's gonna be able to time hop, do all this shit. And then I'm like, is, is he basically going to be fucking stuff up so badly? And it's going to be the reason Kang is just butt fucking us for the rest of the next couple of phases. That'd be bad. Yes.

That, that would, yeah. Ooh, that'd be tough. Cause we'll get into, I mean, we're basically at the end of the episode.

He says, I can rewrite the story. Huge moment with the score really builds up. One of the first moments this season where I was like, whoa, this score is like incredible. And then he slips right back into the moment before timely gets spaghetti and stuff.

But we saw one report from a Marvel executive or something that saw the final episode. And they were like, oh yeah, they're fucked when it comes to Kang. I think that was like the exact quote. Cause I guess Kang is going to be a big part of of obviously they're trying to set up Kang with Loki. I still think if they set up Kang huge and we saw another report this week that said maybe they're trying to replace him with Dr.

Doom in terms of who's going to be the next big bad of the MCU. I still think you can do that. I don't think any fan is going to be upset about dr fucking doom coming in and stealing the spotlight from kang maybe i'm crazy i also don't think like why are they talking like you cannot recast kang i don't i don't understand that john boyega the way he the performance he gave in that movie which i can't remember the name of it off the top of my head. Oh, Tyrone. Tyrone.

That was great. And like, he's already fucking. There's a bunch of good actors. He's the guy who has a million versions of himself. It's not like so far in the MCU. They all look the same in the comics. I don't think they do all look the same. We've got fucking Iron Lad and Nathaniel Richards. They don't think they do all look the same we've got fucking iron lad and

nathaniel richards they don't all like why are we talking like he's like well i guess we're stuck with him forever if it's really going to be that big an issue with his legal drama which is what we're kind of referring to i guess that's what marvel's referring to i think or these reports whatever it is i i don't understand why they're acting like it's the end of the world that doesn't necessarily worry me when it's like obviously they were setting him up to be the next big thing the next avengers movie is titled the kang dynasty right now if you have to do away with kang i don't think it's like a torpedo for marvel studios i it's very much not and listen we talked about the he who remains episode and performance was fucking incredible and even had the some moments in quantum mania that were great he also

had some moments in quantum mania where like well that kind of like was a letdown right and he hasn't really been in loki at all he was a fucking guy from the 30s or whatever like that's all 60s yeah you you could basically be like yeah fuck that guy he got killed by ants he stinks and we'll bring you the real kang in 2035 or something yeah but this guy doom this is the real bad motherfucker and again for the people of doom and the diehards will be like fuck yeah and the casuals like me will be like those guys say he's awesome so fuck yeah like i remember the comic books a little. This guy, Dr. Doom, seems pretty crazy.

They're like, oh, no, he's a baddest motherfucker. He's got a metal mask and a green cape. What more could you ask for? And he's from a place with a weird name, right? So it's like he kind of just checks all the boxes. I'm fucking sold on it. So do it. I'm fine with it.

Don't do it. I'm fine with it. But you're not, like, handcuffed. Even if you filmed all this shit with jonathan madrid you do it guess what you're disney you have them not unlimited money right now but you have probably still a shitload of money a lot yeah yeah like that's dave dave had unlimited money and our barstool had unlimited money when we were on my pen it's not unlimited anymore we have to be a little smarter with things but still better than it was like i also i know they've done secret wars twice in the comics doom is the main villain both times so the fact that they were gonna do it maybe without him i

don't know if they were gonna do without him because we know we got fantastic four coming they're probably gonna either use doom or at the very least tease him in that movie but yeah i don't think it's the end of the world at all. Also, I saw some rumors that that fantastic four movie is going to take place in the sixties. Jeff D low texted me about that. I think that would be awesome.

Cause it's the guy that did Wanda vision. He really thrived with like the kind of stylized. I'm going to make you feel like you're back in the seventies watching a sitcom. If you put them in the 60s and somehow do the captain america thing where it's like oh they went through a freaking weird tunnel and now they're in modern day i think that could be really cool like give a new dynamic they would all be kind of fish out of water with the current gang of young heroes like the they're basically building the young

avengers with this phase i think that would be really cool. You kind of sold me on that. Cause I would like, cause if you're just throwing more superheroes, you're just throwing more of the same stuff on the pile. It does lose its luster at some point, but that kind of works. And then like the thing saying it's clobbering time, someone that grew up,

you know, nineties, two thousands. It doesn't make sense. Some dude from the sixties, he's going to still say it's clobbering time yeah it's the blue spandex yeah they'd be wearing that in the 60s the white moon boots and stuff yeah man sue storm just thinking free love like let's fucking rock out it's sue

storm oh we don't have the um cast yet though that hasn't been that sue storm is apparently the one that is kind of the most confirmed because i think it's not announced but the rumors that vanessa kirby signed a deal right before the strike went into place which she was in the last mission impossible not the last but i think the one before that i didn't see the last one so maybe she wasn't that one too she's in mission impossible fallout and she's really good in that and i think she looks the part as well yeah i think i think we'll be okay unless they have an absolute just killer plan for doom and they don't want to fuck it up i can understand it but again there's so many other things you can do other than being like well

i guess our entire future hinges on jonathan major's legal troubles like and yeah now if he like quote unquote gets off of it do you bring him back or is this already like he's already you know more i don't know because like after these allegations came out a bunch of like actors that had worked with him in theater also kind of came out and talked about how hard he was to work with on set i don't know if that was the case for marvel as well people at least publicly you're talking like he was great to work with if that was the case maybe you do like cut him off even if he gets off or whatever but it's like i don't know they're talking about there's rumors that jake gyllenhaal is going to play mr fantastic now like mysterio so again if we're recasting like that, you're not stuck with John.

It's weird. What else was in that Marvel article? Because there was kind of like, I don't want to say a bombshell article, because it wasn't like shocking stuff that we never knew. It was kind of like just a big, it was Vanity Fair, right? Yep. right yeah it's a big outlet kind of saying stuff that the online nerd community has been saying for a couple months or maybe even years at this point that marvel has been going downhill since endgame with like a lot of uh a little behind the scenes tidbits right so and the the other big like thing that was going crazy is that there were talks about bringing back the original Avengers crew.

That's right. Scarlet Witch, Black Widow. I've got my own colors. Scarlet Johansson. That's right. God damn it. My brain is so cooked, but it's not completely. Spaghetti.

Yeah, spaghetti. Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man, all that kind of stuff. And then I'm like, so there's two ways to look at it. One, you could just go with the outrage. Oh, my God, we're so unoriginal. We're going to bring back the thing. And again, like I said, bring it back tattoo-y. And it's like, oh, let's just fix it with all the original Avengers

and all of them are good. That ship has sailed. You're decreasing the way that End game hits, which is huge. They fucking nailed end game so much. And if this podcast had, this podcast started with end game. So we've basically just gone downhill in terms of MC equality.

Unfortunately, yeah, maybe that's our fault. Yeah, that's our fault. We should just be like, and that's the last time we'll ever talk about the MCU in this podcast. See you guys later. But I do think there's a very good chance all this stuff, you you know it's a

it's a vanity fair it's getting aggregated to no end you don't know game of telephone what it actually means i think they're just like no we were going to bring back that group of avengers for secret wars because that makes perfect sense didn't we all assume that though because i did wars is going to be the variant movie where we thought we were going to get like maybe tom cruise iron man next to robert downey jr iron man chris evans we think is on the fucking moon right now they haven't even given us confirmation that that his character's dead so that one like he's gonna be back at some point and scarlett johansson obviously black widow's dead but you could bring her back for a flashback a friggin hologram that she left on the quinjet i like that unless they're saying like separate from secret wars in

the kang dynasty like we're coming up with a new avengers movie just about the original core if that's what they're doing it does worry me a bit because it's like wait what like no don't do that but if you just loop them in and cameo form maybe bigger than cameo form like you're telling me in secret wars you don't want to see robert downey jr and chris evans alongside fucking toby mcguire spider-man and hugh jackman's wolverine like come on we all want to see that if you're throwing out all the variants out there we're going to get these guys from different universes probably some fox guys all this stuff and you don't have the original Avengers, then it'll feel like they're missing.

So that I agree with 100%. I just think that it's crazy. It's kind of this way. Back in the day, whenever a Marvel rumor was announced, everyone was like, it would be positive. But with all the losses, it's now all becoming negative. And now we're, it's like when the Mets do something, it's LOL Mets. But when another team does it,

you don't hear a thing about it. I always say this. If the Knicks, and I imagine your knowledge of how this all went down is probably not as much as mine. Huge. If the Knicks had signed Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, and then everything played out the way it played out the last three years before they both got traded away, the James Harden stuff, Kyrie and the vaccine, all this stuff. It would have been nonstop coverage about how fucking ridiculous the Knicks are. The Nets escaped with one one millionth of the jokes

and coverage and all this stuff. And it's the same thing. Marvel in the past would have been Teflon Don to it. But now, everyone's going to be like, oh, Marvel's fucking up. Marvel, and they might have just been like, hey guys, we're thinking about bringing the Avengers back. So I reserve my right to be outraged based on what actually happened.

I will say this, though. There was a note in the article saying, like, ever since Disney Plus launched, Kevin Feige has been stretched thin. Stop stretching that fucking guy so goddamn thin. And we need him to be basically the Portnoy where it's like he has like a million things he's in charge of, but he's not getting getting stretched in and he can just be like yes no yes no because that guy has the magic eye and again it felt like they were just kind of like throwing stuff at the wall for a little bit with disney plus in terms of just you get a show you get a show you get a show and here's two uh special presentations but no more in the works no more seemingly planned like seemed like they were just trying to see what worked in terms of even episodes this one's going to be 10 episodes

this one's going to be eight this one's going to be six and they're going to be an hour long and like i'm fine with that but it doesn't feel cohesive like it should i think there was another thing too as you said that it kind of triggered my memory uh there was, and I don't know how much of this stuff is true. I think some of it has already been refuted. There was something I was reading, like Blade had five different rewrites, like different writers on it. Blade was like the fourth level character in the show. And there was a lot of, I believe they said like, In the movie.

Were the main characters. Yeah. And it was like, I watched the Panda verse, the South park show. Oh yeah. It just came out. It's fucking, it's funny. It's funny. And listen, I think people that are basically they're making fun of will laugh at it. I think people who are rational like me, you can laugh at it to people that hate and love star Wars and Marvel to no

end. We'll laugh at it, but it's, it's just flat out. Like feels like we are living in the Panda verse right now. Yeah. So very much recommended for anyone hasn't seen it. Did you, did you see any of the clips of it or seeing any of the, I saw the trailer.

I do want to watch it. Is it a paramount plus thing or is it paramount plus? And I believe it's only 48 minutes. It's like a long South. Oh, all right. Yeah. I'll tell you,

I was not, I was like, I'm not really sure if I could really dial into this. I saw 40 minutes. I'm like, oh, this is a goddamn breeze. It's a lot of their Kathleen Kennedy is basically the main villain in it. So it's pretty good. Pretty funny.

Yeah. But that's funny. Another thing that I want to touch on quickly, we got a trailer for echo today. Came out of nowhere. I didn't know this was going to be announced announced today or gonna get a trailer for this today i gotta say i think both of us have been saying for a little bit like why is echo getting her own series we didn't necessarily need that after hawkeye she was good in that show as a side character and her little backstory with kingpin was cool but make a special presentation give us 48 minutes of fucking sick Echo content and let us be.

After seeing the trailer, I'm like, all right, I'm going to give this thing a shot. I think it's going to be like TVMA. There's a lot of blood in it. And Echo seemingly is maybe the fourth level character in this show. It looks like a Kingpin show, at least the way the trailer is edited. Yes. And I think we said it back when they announced it. You could have Echo do whatever, and I'm cool.

Let's rock with Echo. If Echo's great, great. If not, let's get a lot of Kingpin in it. Let's get some Daredevil. We'll throw some S.H.I.E.L.D. Anyone that we can get who's under contract, just make it. Give us Elektra. Imagine if she pops up. That'd be cool.

Don't make these new characters do too much heavy lifting or just focus only on them. You're fucking Marvel. These characters run into each other all the time in the comic books and it's what makes it so cool and if you have to cast a couple actors who aren't a plus plus list people fine I just think it makes the entire universe

that much better and I thought this was like a movie I thought this had been changed to a movie did Ironheart could change to a movie or like a special i thought this had been changed to a movie did ironheart get changed to a movie or like a uh a special armor wars maybe okay which which at this point is that even happening like i haven't heard an update on that in forever some of these shows i don't have faith in them happening anymore exactly and what you said the trailer is very good if you haven't seen it check

out the lights camera pod um twitter they have the the preview there it looks good if it's not good this is what you do for characters like echo you give us an uh one and a half minute trailer put it on disney plus disney plus exclusive so they can't quote unquote pirate it or maybe make it like three minute long trailer yeah and that's all the show is it's a short film and we're like oh that's echo and all these all you're doing with these shows movies whatever it's like when you get a fish from the fish from the pet store what's a fish you put the fish in the tank you know you let the water warm up and then you let the fish out so they can go in that's you're just basically introducing echo to the mcu you put in little echo in there up water warm up and now echo it can now be in a Young Avengers movie.

It could be in whatever the fuck you want. That's fine. And then she can play with the other fish. And then she's with Kingpin. She's with Daredevil. All that kind of stuff. But I'm telling you, I don't like giving a lot of my time to stuff that is just going to end up sucking. And I said this. I'd almost rather an hour 50 movie with the fucking $15 price tag than the three and a half hour show that took up an hour of my week every single week for four or five months.

Well, the good thing about this one, I believe it's six episodes all dropping at once. Perfect. On January 10th. So it is going to be a lengthy show, but we'll be able to just bang it out and be done with it. I don't know if they have the capabilities. I'm going to need Disney Plus to put that you go 1x, 2x, 5x speed. So if it's

bad, I'm just going to start ratcheting it up. But it's not like you throw TV and something, you have my attention. Yeah. And Kingpin. I mean, have them say kill that guy at some point. I'm in. The Mets. I love the Mets mets you ever see that meme where they have yeah incredible um i think that's it i think that's it for the show anything else that we wanted to touch on oh actually basement boy of the week oh yes good call lord david snyder unreal real Halloween costume. So this goes back maybe a month.

He, he, what big, huge basement boy. We we've been tweeting with this guy for years. He said, Hey, we found a macho man,

Randy Savage costume for my dog. And my wife wants to be Hulk Hogan. Who should I be? And I said, you gotta be miss Elizabeth and Clem immediately. He was like, obviously that's the only answer. And this just like the thread is very funny.

I tweeted the thread. You could go on my Twitter and find it. He's like, I don't know if I could do that, man. Like, I'm a big guy. I want to be wearing a shirt and I can't shave my beard. His wife responded. It was like, I love this idea. I forgot about this for a month.

And then on Halloween, he tweets the two of us. This motherfucker is Miss Elizabeth. And it was amazing and the infamous picture where she's like back to the camera like oh no like holding back the mega powers yeah a plus plus plus absolutely perfect uh you know the shout out the wife for being in on it making him do it shout out for him for actually going through with it i you know this year i feel like halloween i didn't see a lot of good stuff leading up to it halloween night i saw some pretty good costumes not in

real life i saw very few good costumes but on the internet i saw um kim kardashian and northwest did uh the coolest sharon i saw that yep kim was the main character i noticed yep odell beckham did recreated the big daddy peeing on the building with his son, which I thought was great. And there was, there was a few others. Our girl Libby done did a Khaleesi,

but this one was the winner. It's the winner. Hence basement boy of the week. So shout them out and shout out the wife, shout out the dog. Everyone did their job. Everyone did their job. That was nice to see.

The only other thing I'll mention is that we are now i mean shit man we're a week away right from marvel's coming out yeah i think so like november 10th am i right about that yeah i think so because i see on his birthday's the 11th i knew it was right around her birthday so it's coming out we're not looking forward to this movie but we are going to review it we'll see it yeah i'm going with very low expectations so i feel like if it's and you said it best if it's honestly if it's below average if it's on the ball scale a 2.5 out of 5 i think i'll end up being happy with i'll be like yeah i think i'll say that was surprisingly good and i again i liked the first one i think i liked the first one more than most people but you're taking out the 90s and you're taking that samuel jackson and you're putting it in

phase four and it's the shortest marvel movie and the test screenings weren't good and i'm like but they keep teasing the x-men now did you see that there's no trailer bro in the trailer it says like find out what's next and all the fit all the letters fade away except the x now i didn't even realize that so i think you're starting to get a little desperate and if the x-men aren't in it at this point you gotta give us one x-men in this movie then you're gonna really piss people off i mean if i had seen that i'm i'm kind of mad now too and i haven't even seen the movie they might it's the new aerospace engineer like fucking i better see magneto or something it's funny they if and that you're going in the

movie with a bad taste in your mouth to begin with because of this face if they had pulled the ralph moder joke on us right now i think someone would actually like storm the hq the marvel h2 that would burn it so marvel like i'm going in with such low expectations and again i think i remember Captain Marvel. I was like, I didn't love it. I didn't hate it, though. And that was one of those movies that got the haters out and review bombing and all that stuff.

You guys are on your own on this one. We got shit for covering She-Hulk, which I thought was an all right show. It had its moments. And I'm telling you, the fucking haters of She-Hulk, go watch how they ended that fucking season. They fucking called out Marvel and all their bullshit that we've all been complaining about. And they are getting the check from Marvel.

You should be fucking saying those people care more than all these other bum shows that we were fucking getting behind. She-Hulk gave us like a Wolverine tease in a news headline. Like it was like man with claws like gets into fight at bar like come on guys it had some decent stuff in there i also love that she was like yeah i took down matt murdoch i took that down like i appreciated that about it was had some grown adult yeah it did have like the twerking scene which was bad and the cgi which was ugly fully admit so uh but they apparently spent unbelievable money on like every episode of she-hulk cost more than every episode of game of thrones in the final season

when it was at its most expensive that's been again the people who were in charge of this shit clearly were fucking above their heads and i think loki cost half of she-hulk again marvel is so fucked right now. They've been so fucked. I think we're going to get the, all right, no more spending. I think Barstool kind of had this at some point. We're like, we have, we have a, like once Dave took Barstool, he was like, we have an org chart. The fuck is this?

They just ripped it up. He's like, no, no, we don't have that. And we have to cut back the spending, do some stuff, yada, yada, yada. I hope Marvel's going to kind of get to that phase but i'm gonna say like i think marvel's is the one of the last projects that's from this old era so i am going in with very low expectations i you said g is kind of in the same boat on this too right so we're gonna try our hardest we have the mar so we have the loki for now so we'll do loki finale next week and the Marvels for the following week. Probably, yeah. Okay.

So that works. All right. Thank you, guys. Hashtag Kang Kun this week. Thanks for hanging in there with the delayed podcast. And we will talk to you next week for the Loki finale.