My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 360 - THE ACOLYTE EPISODE 4

Episode Date: June 20, 2024

Robbie and Clem discuss this week's episode of #TheAcolyte, which some are saying RUINED STAR WARS FOREVER! They talk about how true that gripe is, where the big twist is going, and whether or not we can stick with it even after seeing Kelnacca in the state he was in. #StarWars **************************************** My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike! Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement presented by Barstool Sports and a very special acolyte edition of My Mom's Basement where me and Clem are separated by thousands of miles. I, you know, I lost in the dozen very quickly so I don't know the exact amount of miles. That would be one of the questions that the honkers got wrong. But we were like two ships passing in the night this week. I went to Chicago, came back. We got bounced quick.

You went to Chicago right as I left, still in the tournament. And some are saying a favorite to win it. How are we doing, Clem? By the time people hear this, will they know the result? No, this is going to go out thursday afternoon so okay you'll be able to watch if you're watching this like when it first comes out the dozen final four and championship is tonight correct yep and if you're in the chicago area tickets are still available get some tickets and uh watch the carnage go down live and yeah

uh nerves are are fluttering uh but box meanwhile when he was in Chicago, touched the IV of Rickley Field just casually. No big deal. Fucking unbelievable. Yeah, I had some Chicago trip. Like I said, the Honkers got bounced in literally the first game. Monday morning we were out, so that was just like, oh, man, like am I going to stay the whole week? I didn't know what I was going to do.

Night one, our friend Ed, your teammate on Team ZD, took a bunch of us out to this restaurant called Rosemary in Chicago, which is run by a top chef chef named Joey Flam. He won top chef. It's Croatian, Italian. I felt like I was in the bear. I literally was thinking of you sitting there because I was like, Clem would love this because it feels like you're in the bear. It's like a nice, very hip restaurant, young people everywhere, but you could see the kitchen in the back. The chef is bringing out, you know, different things. Every time Glennie was ready to call it the greatest meal he's ever had.

He said every single bite the chef brought out was out of this world. And I tried them all to try stuff out of my comfort zone. Amazing night too. I went to Wrigley with Marty Ria, Fran Kelly. Marty is doing a podcast with Justin Steele, Cubs pitcher. I think their best pitcher this year. He was pitching that day. They brought us down onto the field after the game. I literally touched the Ivy and shout out Sam Lauderdale, basement boy. He said, now I know how like golf fans feel about you going to Augusta because again, I'm not a Cubs fan. I am a huge Yankees fan, but you know, I played the part. I sang go Cubs, go banger song, played the 50, 50 raffle. I got a hot dog.

It was a great trip to Chicago for me. That's a beautiful thing. Chicago, Bob having the time of his life. And I went to the Chicago theater to take pictures like where the dark night was framed when the ballet gets canceled. Of the older people on the pod. I saw the Chicago sign that you see in Perfect Strangers, the opening of Perfect Strangers where it says Chicago.

So that is such an old ass reference. There's like 17 of you guys nodding your head and I appreciate it. Yeah, I like seeing the Dark Knight locations when I go to Chicago, specifically the Joker corner, but it was a little too far from the hotel, so I didn't go. But that one, and people were telling me the Fugitive was Chicago too, which I didn't realize. I would have liked to see a little too far from the hotel. So I didn't go. But that one, and people were telling me the fugitive was Chicago too,

which I didn't realize I would have liked to see a little fugitive spot. Yeah. Well, he has like, they have the river. They talk about dying a green. I'm not going to lie to you, Bob.

I was going to float a dark night tour with you, but then you said you were leaving like the next day. So we could have had a base. I would have stayed for that. I blame Clemmer. If Clemmer was better during the dozen, you win. And then you go to the next round and I'm here with you. I blame Clemmer. If Clemmer was better during the dozen, you win, and then you go to the next round, and I'm here with you.

Yeah, that was rough. But we are here to talk about The Acolyte this week, episode four of The Acolyte, which I think we were pretty excited for because Ken Jack said it was probably the best of the screeners. It at least had a really good ending, and he said it'll kind of get people hooked in. And I think that kind of played true for me like i think the ending was pretty good um i am more entertained now i feel

like the twist is getting very predictable i feel like i know exactly where they're going and i think we all do um but it's interesting this show is i think it's pretty good so far at least one two and four i didn't really like last week's as we discussed, but one, two and four, I think are pretty good. I'm a little worried that pretty good is its ceiling. Not worried, but I think pretty good might be its ceiling. It's just not a super captivating and that's OK. It's a young adult show. Again, it's for a younger audience.

Clearly, I don't have the issues that a lot of people have with it now that are, they're ruining Canon. And this character said that we'll get into that later. I think those are ridiculous. Most of them. But yeah, like the people that are saying, I just can't get hooked in the show. I get that.

I think you got to be a pretty diehard star Wars fan to really enjoy this and keep coming back like Tuesday nights. I always think with, I used to think there's a lot with the early Disney Plus shows and I've kind of stopped thinking it to be honest with you. The answer is usually no. It's like,

would I go back and just rewatch this show? Like I would rewatch a movie, you know, or even an episode. And there's been Mando episodes, right? Like when we saw Luia,

you gave me Baby Yoda. There's a bunch. I was rewatching the robot scene. Yes. No, no. My kids and I can watch that for an hour straight and they belly laughed the entire time and also forgotten in that scene which i forgot about until we re-watched the other day bad baby no squeezing your boy bobby frank yes crush that line it was great yeah it was great but it's like i think of a lot of the marvel stuff

and then even obviously if I want to watch a dude just sleeping in a box tank, I will go back and watch Boba Fett, but there's no other real reason to do that other than the Mandalorian episodes. And this I think is falling into that bucket very clearly as well. It's like...

I wouldn't say it's the worst show ever. So this is how I'm saying it. You're saying it's pretty good. I could give it the it's the worst show ever. So this is how I'm saying it. Like you're saying it's pretty good. I could give it the it's all right tag if I'm saying like – as I'm saying this, you probably get this reference a little bit. I'm sure some people who are listening will get it. It's like when I have a guy in like my flex spot of fantasy and he's not putting up starter notes.

He's like, ah, he got me an eight today. He didn't get shut out. He didn't score a touchdown, got a couple like receiving yards, rushing yards. And he got me an eight, like I'll live with it. That's kind of what this is. I'll live with it. And considering where I thought we were going to be before the season started, not great. I also don't think that it's worse than the holiday special, which as you see, it's now has a lower Rotten Tomatoes score than the holiday special which as you see it's now has a lower rotten tomato score than the holiday special i'm glad you brought that up because that's exactly where i wanted to go next i got a bone to pick with old balls i hated that blog i thought that blog was horrible when he laid out and he's like look star wars fans are clearly saying it's worse than the

holiday special disney can't deny that 85% of people are talking this way. That's complete horseshit. And we all know it is. He acknowledged in the blog that there's review bombing, but he kind of said like, oh, I'm sure Disney will blame the review bombing. It's entirely review bombing. Like they review bombed a movie from 2006 called Accolade, which now has also probably a lower score than the holiday special. There is no part of the holiday special, which I love and watch every Christmas Eve. That is even one 10th as good as the accolade. You can put the accolade on for,

I could invite my sister over someone that's not a big star Wars fan, put the accolade on and she might be like, that's not great, but whatever. It's watchable. You cannot make it through the first 10 minutes of the holiday special with a non-star wars fan you probably can't do it with a star wars fan because it's all no dialogue just wookies groaning at each other and then like the grandpa gets porn

it is strange there's blackface in it it's it's the weirdest thing of all time there's no part of there's no star wars fan alive who can truthfully say, I think the holiday special is better than the accolade. And that is not what the rotten tomato score says about it at all. And he also said at the end of the blog, he's like, star Wars is dead. I thought that they had,

you know, a little life left, but this absolutely put the nail in the coffin, killed it. Jerry, we'll see if you keep that same energy for andor season two because i know you loved andor season one so when you start going disney killed star wars but i love andor you start sounding like the people that go barstool and dave suck

but i like pardon my take and chicks in the office and this and it's like you're praising some of their most popular stuff you like disney Star Wars. You just don't like some Disney Star Wars. If you're not going to be at Mando opening weekend, then like, Hey, I'll, I'll believe what you're saying. Exactly. You're not going to see the Mandalorian and Grogu. And I know people, some people were down on season three. I feel like it's getting almost a revisionist.

People are getting more down on it as they look back. But I look back at some of the things you brought up. I think it was the fourth episode with the pirate. It have been the bryce dallas howard one might not have been but there were like some really good episodes that season i think the lizzo and jack black episode put a really sour taste in a lot of people's mouths and i think we all wanted more mando maybe a little less bow but it wasn't like a horrible season of tv it was just not as good as the first two that's you're eating pistachio nuts everything's good and then you get that like

dead nut that just is like what the fuck was that that i just eat like a bug that was the lizzo and jack black episode essentially it was almost like they were like they they got a little too cocky they were feeling themselves they were like everything we're putting on screen in mando they're loving they love lizzo and jack black as a you know king and queen right and it's like no it felt like snl that was like a mad libs it's like all right who how is this gonna work it's like female celebrity lizzo male celebrity jack black and uh the christopher walken twist that was right there that was that episode as well yeah not christopher walken um uh christopher lloyd yeah yeah christopher walken would have been great though i would have loved walking the emperor almost he almost ruined uh dune for dave

that was one of my favorite fakes jeff was trying to defend it and Dave just kept going horrible horrible also shout out Dave he had the he had the cancer removed on his neck well wishes to Dave on on all of that well recovery yeah I uh learned my boss had cancer in right before we were going into a playoff match of our very highly contested trivia I was like oh okay yeah I have cancer so uh dedicate this game to me I was like oh thanks Dave that was that was an outrageous opening to that game especially for the uninitiated I was like, oh, okay. I have cancer. So dedicate this game to me. I was like, oh, thanks, Dave. That was an outrageous opening to that game, especially for the uninitiated who didn't like at least have the warning of, I think BFFs put out like a little clip about it. Dave just opened the match by going, and I have cancer. And Jeff went, sorry to hear that.

As you know, the rules of the dozen are 12 questions. And I was like, what the fuck? At least let the people know Dave is is he's gonna be okay truly never know what's gonna happen on any episode of the dozen that's why you gotta watch it just nonsense and i guess uh i shouldn't say you never know what's gonna happen on an episode of the acolyte because it's getting a little predictable but let's yes that's true um we begin on kofar the wookie planet again not the wookie planet but the one that kel naka went to again a very cool planet it's a mountainy forest has those weird trees we see the rotten trees later on um again kudos to them for making forest world it doesn't look like the forest moon of

endor i thought that was well bringing up um kel naka gets home typical day he's got the robe on kind of looking over his shoulder, making sure nobody followed him. He starts chopping up some, I think fish or something, maybe alien fish look like fish to me. And they zoom in. He's kind of got the spiral grooves on his wall, maybe from Brendock where he was stationed before.

It looked a little bit like the marking on the girl's forehead, but that's what I was thinking. They played that ominous. Yeah. That was thinking. They played that ominous. Yeah, that was interesting. And some people said this looked like Shrek's hut before. Definitely felt like it. Or like Thanos is, you know,

when he goes and starts making food and then the Avengers fucking ruin his breakfast. Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I said, we're getting a little Thanos with the little pot and he's cooking up something in the cauldron there. Little fortress of solitude. There was a part of me our rest in peace i was like man it would have been sweet and there's no way it would have been obviously he was sick at the end but i would have let that bill walton just be one of the wookies before he passed i thought that would be great in my

head canon that's who he is so yeah shout out bill walton. We see Jackie, the X-23 trainee in a Jedi training class. I don't know why, but I kind of like this Jedi teacher. I think it was the first time we saw him. He kind of looked like this wrestler, Buddy Murphy, had like the orange man bun, orange beard. I kind of liked him. He seemed cool. You know who I thought he looked like in the face,

not the hair, was Dan Campbell. So I'm like, oh, this is a no-nonsense Jedi because he looks like a no-nonsense yeah because he looks like a no-nonsense football coach perfect perfectly makes sense right yeah i liked him osha comes to say goodbye they played this scene sort of like heartfelt like you're gonna miss me we're friends that didn't land at all for me we didn't spend enough time with these two characters together for me to like believe that they bonded and became friends and i think she just showed her like one thing how to like fix something or something at one point so that i thought that was a little

weird how they tried to play like oh we're saying goodbye it's episode four and we didn't see them at all in episode three so it's like that's i was gonna say it's episode four so we've had three episodes and you guys are barely together during those three episodes so that was weird nothing for me and she doesn't plan on saying goodbye to soul um i did like osha's line about like hey one day you and i will get together in a cantina and trade soul stories i was like oh that that does feel like how kids in a star wars universe would talk like one day we'll go trade horror stories in a bar all right i like that line that's and that's kind of like um and granted they're kids and it's like a school but

it's the same thing with school and teachers as it is with like work where it's like hey let's go to happy hour and just basically vent about the boss which we would never do dave portnoy is the all-knowing great man um cancer survivor all that kind of stuff we love him but other people might do that yeah i am so upset i miss miss peaches too i've never met miss peaches and everyone is just literally every single person that meets miss Peaches says another like great thing about her. Good, strong dog. That's all I can really say. Just a good, strong dog. And it's the most famous person I'll ever meet. Or maybe it's the most famous creature, I guess. Donnie had a great line on the broadcast on the Dozen broadcast yesterday where he was like, I'll never say a bad word about miss peaches because she pays for my salary in merch and i kind of clicked with me like how many salaries does she pay for with her merch because i think it's a lot of us oh man that's uh

that that's a dig to the soul like not a dig but that is well actually i guess the here out loud to the adoption so you know what we feel better about true okay i feel better about job they donate yeah buy miss peaches merch buy miss peaches peaches they you could buy her peaches i it's like it came it's hard enough when she had like more followers on social media in the first hour that she had an account than i've had like my entire life but the the the merch thing went over the top but nonetheless uh still um back to the show we see may and kamir arrive on kofar so may obviously the evil twin or so we think and kamir being the spice trader who was helping her he knows the boss um kamir knows that bounty hunters won't even step foot in this forest and

she's like but you have and he's like well yeah and he swears he's never seen the Sith's face he's urging her like how are you going to kill the Jedi without a weapon because you know he really wants you to kill him without a weapon like you know you should really do that the way he wants because it could be bad if you don't want that the sus radar goes off immediately and it's like oh he's the guy isn't he like the two of them are alone he's got a big bag bag probably big enough for like a helmet and a robe, maybe a lightsaber. Come here's the guy,

right? You mean the sidekick that talks a lot, a little goofy might actually end up being the big, bad. He seems like a bumbling idiot. Yup. And here we are. They're,

they're writing a wrong 20, 25 years ago. Right. Is that the number? I mean, they're they're writing a wrong 20 25 years ago right is that the number i mean they're doing it they're basically doing darth jar Jar and i know people people basically thought he was when we first met him because they said he had like the same speech patterns and there was a little part of me hoping like i hope that's not just it i hope people didn't realize like oh he talks the exact same but yeah i guess he's the sith guy which i'm not super bummed about

but like a little bit i mean it seems just again too predictable yeah and it is interesting though because like the jedi did kind of play their cards to him not knowing right who he was so that makes that part of it a little more interesting down the line for them it's probably not good for them uh but yeah it it i have said and i'll say i still am intrigued by the mystery the mystery of it all i am but it's starting to feel like the and you know we're on episode four we're not episode seven so it's like i feel like we're figuring out a lot of stuff but they can go a lot of different ways still i suppose i feel like when the show started i was as as intrigued by the Sith, like, acolyte character and their backstory.

At this point, I feel a lot more interested in the actual secrets of what happened on Brendok with the Jedi, how did that go down with the witches and all that, than I am the acolyte story, though. Because it's like, again, I feel like we know if i almost feel like it's spoiled like one of the mystery one of the big mysteries so but again like i want to know what happened with the jedi seems weird master torben fucking killed himself over it strange um we have a new sponsor to talk about not a strange sponsor an amazing sponsor butcher box you can get incredible deals on premium cuts from ButcherBox. Deals this good are hard to come by at the grocery store. With ButcherBox, you can find high quality meat and seafood that you can trust. 100% grass fed beef, free range organic chicken,

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Fractured with a lightsaber? They really took that away from Sola. I mean, we'll get to it. Let's just talk about it now. We'll get to it later. They took that away from Sola immediately. He fucking killed a bug. He was the hero.

And then Yord beyond him was like, oh, he was attracted to your lightsaber. He just ran right into it. Sola was like, oh yeah, deflated. The soldiers are not happy we uh we do not uh we do not uh take that kind of slander for our king it's almost like a team that you know was a decent trivia team but always talk themselves out of answers they get someone that stops them from getting in their own heads and then it's like oh they fixed the questions for them and

it's unfair blah blah blah cry cry cry just hypothetically speaking here so if you think if you say stuff like that about that trivia team, you're basically the person that's raining on Souls Parade. And if that's who you want to be, that's fine. You're not. Listen, you think the soldiers are upset about this episode. How do you think the Kelnock fans feel? Oh, I mean, I mean, we knew it would happen, but I didn't want it to happen.

I said on the show, I said that might be where I draw the line. Dead W would happen but i didn't want it to happen i said on the show i said that might be where i draw the line dead wookies i don't want to see dead wookies i don't see dead ewoks i don't want to see dead anything that reminds me of a dog they're pushing it they're certainly pushing i'm trying to defend the show i'm one of the only ones stepping up and fucking yelling at old balls i'm trying meanwhile in house of the dragon we have dogs getting kicked too so it's too That was fucked yeah Dog creatures are not Head on swivel right now

By the way if you're listening to this and you didn't know We did do a House of the Dragon Episode 1 live recap We're going to be doing that all season with KFC If you go on the YouTube or Rumbles I think you have to click live stream to see it So if you click on videos it probably won't be there But go back check that out It was great we put on the costumes once again

um so this is the most controversial moment of the episode by far and i'm the the discourse about it is really pissing me off i woke up at like 8 a.m and started tweeting about it today i don't even know what you're about to say here i'm kind of interested about this so this is great we see a cameo from kiara Mundi from the prequels. Fucked up head guy. One of my favorite facts about him is that he had to repopulate his home planet. They were going extinct. So the Jedi signed off on him fucking.

He's the only Jedi that they were like, you go fuck. Oh, that's amazing. Amazing fact. Or does he use like the traditional means? Probably uses both. Who who knows he's got a little ponytail on the head so i don't know if he it's like an avatar type thing you can touch a ponytail together or something uh but he gets killed during order 66 he's got that line what about the droid attack on the wookies that people always make a meme now he's in the battlefront he

was in the clone wars a little bit as well so he appears on coruscant and he i know he's like i think he's pretty old a thousand years old but i think they changed his birthday for this which people are up in arms about grown men are like they fucking changed wikipedia wow they changed wikipedia yeah they updated wikipedia i didn't know that was legal how much like how many years they had i think a couple hundred maybe but he was no not a couple hundred because he was there for the phantom menace so maybe a hundred you think they're like what's the what's the smallest edit we can make that will piss people off the most and this is what well it goes further because this scene oh boy

dude people people i'll read you a tweet that I quote tweeted today. That's insane about this, this scene. And I'll, I'll make you guess what spurred this tweet from this specific scene. If your fans have to defend a bad decision fighting for their life in the comments, all caps on life, because the, because the continuity error in the acolyte is potentially massively destructive to well-established conceptions of the understanding of the star Wars universe. You're just bad at telling star Wars stories from this. This is maybe a two minute scene with the Jedi meeting around the Jedi asking of, is it a splinter order?

Could it be something worse? A soul wants to take care of it kind of his way key out of mundi is like should we alert the high council vernestris says no because they'll alert the senate it'll cause panic um and she's upset with soul for not telling her may could have survived this is the scene that people are has ruined star wars final nail in the coffin you can never watch a new hope the same way so i guess yeah i guess i'll never so i'm clearly outside of this these algorithms right that's this this is why i think i this is why i enjoy when we pod about star wars because you're in it right you ken jack jeff are know that stuff know this guy's name off your head top of your head where

I'm just oh look at shiny objects right so yeah as someone that is that I I had no idea this was a thing I also will respect the I hey I have my things that I'm like crazy passionate about as well I fought those wars I've been angry about them at this point the amount of like nostalgia that we kind of like buttfuck through remakes reboots yada yada i've kind of like that's just the way it is we watch game of thrones just completely botched the ending which was like my favorite show ever at that point right um so i've had my things i'm like let's let's remake the prequels let's remake the sequels let's remake season season eight of Game of Thrones. I've gone through all these things just wanting them to do right by what I want.

So I respect your right to be upset. If you think it ruins Star Wars, it might have ruined it for you. I'll tell you, there is a huge chunk of the fan base that does not know or give a fuck about this guy. I'm sorry. It's just how it is. Well, that's exactly where I want to go with this. I it up he is in the clone wars a little bit and he's kind of annoying in the clone wars if i'm being honest in the movies i believe in the entire prequel trilogy combined he's in it for about three minutes he has about three minutes of screen time i think he's got three total lines maybe four one of the lines he he has is the Sith haven't existed for a millennium, thousand years.

But what about if he knew about the Sith here that ruins Star Wars? Because he's saying a hundred years prior to the Phantom Menace, maybe they're, you know, people are suggesting, could it be a Sith or maybe whatever? Now we're saying a hundred years later, the Sith haven't existed for 1,000 years. Is he lying to the Jedi, or did they just not think of that? This is the dumbest complaint I've ever heard. Dave Filoni approves and gives notes to every single Acolyte script

confirmed by the writer this week. There is no chance that Dave Filoni forgot that line and said, Oh, well, you know what? I made a mistake. I made a continuity error. Kiara Mundi is not on Kofar. And I think there's a reason for that.

Also, I think a lot of them are going to die at some point. There's going to be a cover up of some point of some part if there's not. And it does contradict this. let's think about it you have contradicted a line in the prequel trilogy from a guy who has like one line per movie and is in it for three total minutes most people don't know the name of as if the prequels never contradicted the original trilogy these were movies that everyone hated when they came out anakin built c-3po what the fuck is that all about obi-wan doesn't recognize r2d2 and a new hope despite spending decades of his life with him star wars contradicts itself sometimes and this is the

most minor of contradictions possible if it even is a contradiction we don't know if it is though we have no idea the story is going to continue there's no like inkling that he knows the sith are back yet yeah no if so if if if it is a contradiction it just seems like an unnecessary headache to give yourself and it's like you could have went a million different ways they fucked up if that's the case uh but like you said i don't't think Dave Filoni is the kind of guy to fuck up because he suggested last week and said, don't use the night sisters. They wouldn't do that kind of magic. Use just your own witches.

If he's fucking correcting night sisters from the cartoons, you don't think he knows the shit from the movies? In this basement, we trust the Filoni. Dave Filoni is a hero. I'll make that meme this week. I'll make that meme. And listen, Feige hasn't – I'm not giving him Feige trust for remaking the X-Men. He does not get the X-Men 97 credit.

I feel like he did a lot of things. He's like, we need the theme song. Very smart. He did his puppet master stuff in a good way there. I feel like Filoni does the same things. He's like, we need the theme song. Very smart. He did his Puppet Master stuff in a good way there. I feel like Filoni does the same thing. I understand why people are pissed. You also have to realize that those people who love the prequels, I fucking hate the prequels, and I probably hate you, because you love the prequels, and you make it seem all right.

And I know you watched the cartoons. They made them better. 100% agree. That's fine. We just watched fucking Anakin and Obi-Wan square off and completely butt fuck the seat of new hope. Right. It's like,

they are just going to fuck this up for better or worse. And hopefully they like tear it down, but then built something better on top of it for the future. Cause it's, if not, it's like, let's just keep the original trilogy and nothing else, which I'm sure people would have been fine with as well.

The way everything has gone. Right. Yeah, probably. Key out of Moody also. Oh no that was i just i was gonna read his line about the sith not existing for a thousand years haters of this are so stupid that was my note um soul meets up with osha because she was going to be duking it out oh bob's we duking it out this way i had to hold myself back from replying i quote tweeted that one guy because i was just like we're talking about i i said aka might keyword might change one line from a background character

in movies that star wars fans passionately hated when they came out that's the other the the way star wars fans say that like disney has ruined star wars and george's star wars was perfect it's like you guys did not have that energy when the prequels came out at least like you weren't adults for that if you were my age you were kids and you love jar jar and all that but like don't even get me fucking started i'll go down the rabbit hole all week um just hate all the bad shit that i hate it's so much easier when you just hate everything but the original trilogy well now my algorithm algorithm is sending me more and more of that because they saw me respond. It's toxic. It's real toxic.

Sol asks Osha if she can come with the Jedi to ensure that May doesn't get hurt. He's like, I saw. They're still good in her. Her eyes kind of softened when I brought up that you were alive. She has a line where she goes, she's a's a murderer he says but she's still your family and when he first said this it hit my brain in a weird way where i was like no that's not how that works and then i thought about it for two seconds further and i was like that's kind of what the original trilogy is about like darth vader he murdered her way more than but it's like luke's like ah there's delight in you so i

was like all right fuck it i'm down with that and i love the jump cut here where she agrees she goes fine but i won't wear that civilian robe and it cuts to her in like a third grade painter smock i i thought that was hysterical i got a real laugh out of me smock is one of my favorite words in an insult one time i was at work and a guy had a shirt on it was like a little long and it was like looks like a like a dad shirt he's like he goes why are you wearing a smock to work today absolute bird everyone just cracks up you're immediately you know transplanted back to elementary school such a bird one of my favorite uh one of my favorite clothing chirps of all time came from nick tarani to feidelberg feidelberg was wearing like brown pants and a green shirt and nick walked past him and he went what up shaggy where's scooby

feidelberg said he's thought about it every day since it's the worst when someone goes home he's so witty and you never even saw it coming and they just light you on fire essentially um we meet basil here as well on the ship basil is this like gopher guy which he's a guy because they call him he later on but people are also upset because may says like he or they she kind of corrects the pronoun for a second i didn't even like that didn't even register for me to be honest the the line and that being the meaning behind it you go on twitter and people are fucking up in arms and change Wikipedia, all that.

But I love this guy, Basil. He kind of like fucks with, uh, he's not fucking with Pip, but he like looks at Pip, makes a little noise at him and Pip sprays him. Like the Joker would spray people with the little flower.

Did you like that? He had that ability to spray. Oh yeah. I thought that was funny. Cause it's like a BB eight has a little flame. Like, like a bb8 has a little flame like you know r2 has a little arm come out like if he could spray a little fucking oil or water whatever it was that's funny yeah i like that they like had beef and basil was cute right off that i was like i was like oh they they hit it's the furry creatures you never know i think i think i'm

going back obviously at ewoks early we haven't seen see how that boy Babu we've done over time. And I think the, the ones that hit the least, but I thought would hit the most were Porgs. I think Porgs is like that number one baseball prospect that everyone had. Bob was ready to fucking adopt a whole litter of them. And I think they were cute as hell, but they were just,

but it was a tough movie for them. Right. It's like people, it was a very – Funny in that movie, though. But it's like Babu, I think, has a life after Star Wars. Chewbacca ate where he was about to eat one, and then Chewbacca went vegetarian because they were so cute. And when they're stepping on the lightsaber thing, the one in the Millennium Falcon at the end is fucking great when they're going through the crystal cave and it fucking hits on the glass. I'm still a poor guy. I'm still a Porg guy.

I'm not signing off on that. I can't sign off on a Porg's P&M. I thought you were going to say the old Italian ladies. Oh no, we love the old Italian ladies on this podcast. We'll never speak ill of them. They'll hit you over the head. They'll backhand you over the head if you fuck with them.

I'm trying to think who that would be for me, though. The things that hit the least. The horses in jedi were lame i could admit that yeah but like they're not the cute furry like thing you're supposed to like true right where the porgs were they were almost too cute and they didn't do enough other stuff i feel but it's like they were fine for what they you know i guess added to the movie i thought they just wanted to sell a billion dollars worth of merch which is how i usually feel with these Disney things. They probably still will sell it. I had to buy my nephew a Porg in Disney and they jacked that price up.

Cause I thought when I go to Disney, my nephew likes Porgs. My niece likes Porgs. I was like, I'll get them some Porgs. They only have one. That's the size of your head for like 50 bucks. It was like,

Oh my God, give us a life-size Porg Disney. Jesus. They get the Jedi. The Jedi, they land on Kofar. The locals say Kel Naka ventured into the forest and never came back. The locals seemed like douchebags, dude, to be honest. They couldn't even, like... They were sending everyone away.

They couldn't just give them directions. Douchebags. Yord also being a douchebag. He, with the gun, you're going to have to give me that gun. It's actually Republic property. Just chill out. Again property just chill out again just chill out i don't know if i want him to be revealed as a bad guy or i want him to die i don't care if he's good or bad i just want him to die yeah i just want this sith to die and that'll you know maybe it'll fuel osha in some way because they were obviously friends before she left the order and some people are speculating maybe they're going to swap the twins by the end they'll do the classic stone

cold bret hart double turn or osha will be the bad one may will be the good one at the end i don't know if they'll go with that i think they're just both going to team up and be good and they're the power of two fucking force push somebody and off a cliff some shit like that we're just writing the if all this happens that you know we've been speculating about it's gonna look so goddamn bad they're gonna push him off the cliff we're gonna think he's dead he'll be back next season and we'll be like how is he back and they won't explain why he's back but somehow he's returned all that shit kiata mundi will be fucking and he'll he'll know all about the sith and he'll he'll be a jedi traitor and it'll be a Jedi traitor and it'll ruin the entire saga. Osha asks Yord to take care of May if the time comes.

He's like almost the Gamora-Peter Quill conversation of like, I don't know if I'm going to be strong enough to do it. I'm going to need you to do it. Yord says May has always been her wound. So he's like, I'm going to have to watch both of you. You're going to have to confront your past. And now we venture into the fucking bug forest. And I knew as soon as I see these sacks on the trees it's like oh someone's gonna crawl out of that i was

expecting it to almost be spider eggs like hatching and then big spiders i'm glad it wasn't that because i feel like mando did that with the ice spiders already but they weren't spiders or sacks at all they were just big roly-poly type bugs that have wings. So she touches one, goes all the way up. It's called an umbra moth. That was in the closed captions. Flies right into Soul Saber, as we said, complete idiot bug. And Osha tells Jackie she was able to sense that creature.

So we have little hints that the Force is coming back within her. Her powers are coming back um again you you you alluding to those spiders kind of like hammered at home that was like uh this is a place where i could understand why bounty hunters wouldn't want to go when there's giant ice spiders everywhere this place had some slugs and a fucking thing that is attracted to light like about it other than that they seemingly had a great journey through the forest it was the least intimidating forest it's like kathleen had more issues in the desert you know oh yeah they have a couple things here and there oh i so that was like maybe that's a nitpick on

my part but that was one of the things where i i'm like why why wouldn't bounty hunters maybe this is like a bounty hunter's paradise you just set up shop there and it's basically the thanos planet it's nothing but peaceful it's the garden i can go and go for the guard it's star wars garden the the writer of this episode answered some questions on twitter this week which god bless her for having the strength to fucking go on twitter and read her oh it's a woman's a woman writing, Bob. I think we found our problem. I think we found our problem. Women don't write my stories. Thanks, Kathleen Kennedy.

And people call it SheWars now. She doesn't even make sense. People would say the MCU. At least that rolls off the tongue. MCU. SheWars. No, that doesn't work. Come up with a different thing. But she said they wrote this episode and next week's episode to get like as one and for some like timing reason she didn't

specify they had disney plus like made them split them into two that's why she said it seems like almost like an unnatural cliffhanger because she's like it was just supposed to like i think we were supposed to get like an hour-long episode and this wound up being the shortest one which maybe there was more to that maybe they cut she said they cut like the kelnaka versus sith scene she's like we straight up cut that because we thought it was better for like the flow of the episode so who knows that could have been originally included okay so yeah um i i was wondering why it was such a short runtime and this is kind of how it's been with some of the shows where around this point is where it's dropping and usually i'm like thank god because i didn't really want to watch 50 minutes so i was happy about that it does make sense and again i think like the cuts have been

weird we've been saying that since i think the premiere at least this one has a little more logic behind it still just not how you just feels like this is just not how you make a good well-run TV show. If this is an internet only thing, which I guess technically is because it's a streaming thing. It makes sense. It just feels odd. They put $180 million into this. Like crazy, crazy.

And it just gets crazier from here because I really don't like this next scene. May starts to doubt that this test is even achievable she's like i think the final test is impossible if i don't complete it i'm going to be killed anyway um so she's getting more and more fed up with the mission kamir is like insisting it must be done against us he's the fucking sith she traps him and tells tells him i'm turning myself into the jedi like my loyalty is to my sister osha everything has changed for me now that i know she's alive i'm going to turn myself in i'll tell her the jedi who i know exchange that information kind of become a rat she's doing the jesse pinkman i'll go to the dva i'll give up walter white and maybe i'll get off um and he's like that's impossible

i doubt you could even survive in this far she's like i doubt he could even get here without a guide more clue that like he's already here you dope but there's another just instant mood change where it's like everything she stood about she just murdered two people and instantly my sister's alive so i'm gonna turn myself in maybe if we spend a little more time with her maybe if last week's episode hammered home that they had a good relationship as sisters before that they split up but just like i don't know i didn't i didn't buy that she just changed on a dime like that at all so i'll give the hey this was actually a brilliant move by her because i'm with you 100 yeah what if she said that because she knew he was the master and he would then kill Klonaka? And now she didn't have to raise her weapon and go, hey, dope. I just had you do that.

That's like the final thing in your Sith is to basically lie and trick the other person to do your dirty work for you. Brilliant. That'd be so ahead of me that I would bow down to the acolyte. That'd be awesome. I'll tell you right now, if that out i want a star wars movie and if it doesn't play out i said you want a star because i just gave you a good fucking twist you just true detective you did the true detective thing to it where that's better i know that's better than what we're gonna get so yeah it's tough damn yeah i just yeah that scene was too quick it's just like the goodbye scene where i just

felt like we didn't spend enough time it's just like the goodbye scene where i just felt like we didn't spend enough time it's all right though because she already figured out that he was the guy and she had him killed it was brilliant it was great move by and then yeah she's still a sniff all along she just mind tricked him yeah that's good that's good smartest thing i've seen in star wars since han solo put the millennium falcon on the back of the star destroyer cloaking devices by the way the clip about that that i sent you is so good and that is such a insight to george lucas and such an insight to the people that say he knew what star wars was he had this idea of it in his head that never changed dave filoni tells a great story about

having a small ship in an episode of the clone wars that cloaks itself dave filoni goes but george no ship that small could have a cloaking device quoting empire and george was like i don't even know if george like picked up on the quote he was like well this one does and they just made that small ship have a cloaking device completely retconning and changing canon ruining star wars for all of us ever that's like when uh lightsabers laser swords like you guys are thinking about it more than he ever did it's like when you make a joke to dave that is a good joke and he just doesn't land with him because he's not paying attention or something he doesn't get it

soul sees like a tree and he has a freaking panic attack because i think he knows he's closing in on kalnaka he promises that he and osha will face their past together when they get on the ship safely oh clem if those aren't famous last words i don't know what are soul is going down in the next episode i don't think they're getting on that ship safely at all yeah we've already buried soul it's all right. Soldiers will roll on. Hopefully he becomes a cool force ghost. Listen, I'll ride or die for Saul. He's going to be a great force ghost.

Some would say a better force ghost than a man. And he's the most important force ghost in the history of Star Wars. That's what a lot of people think. And if he's supposed to be based on Qui-Gon, I mean... Yep. He's going to get stabbed in the gut, probably. He's going to make a sacrifice that's going to make me cry. That mean, he's going to get stabbed in the gut, probably. He's going to make a sacrifice

that's going to make me cry. That's what he's going to do. Yeah, it's going to be in front of everyone. I mean, I think a lot of these Jedi are. Basil finds May. Oh, that was the other kind of sub, not subplot, but kind of a subplot running through the episode is that Basil is like a hunting dog. So he sniffs the scent, and he's

just sniffing around, which I also loved. That he's just like, yeah, it makes sense for Jedi to have a fucking hunting dog so they sniff he sniffs the scent and he's just sniffing around which i also loved that he's just like yeah it makes sense for jedi to have a fucking hunting dog they don't have super force just starts yelling yelping at the top of his lungs yeah screams when he finds may um and may go runs into the kelnaka hut she finds him dead which again i wasn't happy about he's got the fucking slice and it's like still you know smoking it looks bad it looks it looks sad seeing a wookiee dead like that i've never seen a wookiee fucking slayed like that i didn't like that and i didn't like that we didn't get to see and have like a cool lightsaber scene his coolest scene was the force and he breaks the gun maybe we'll get a flashback with him on brend. Maybe he'll be a good one.

Hopefully. Can't make the Wookiees bad like that, right? I know Black Kersantan, but he was kind of good by the end. That was my biggest takeaway. We got promised a Wookiee Jedi. We saw him do some kind of cool shit, and we never got to see any more cool shit. And we're probably not going to see a Wookiee Jedi anytime soon. So unless we get a flashback, that is what will ruin star Wars for me.

It's a promise of a Wookiee. It just kind of stinks. So, uh, figure it the fuck out. Lack of light. The Jedi surround the hut. The Sith drops down slowly,

floats down out of focus. This shot was awesome. This was the best shot of the episode because it's so creepy. The way he just slowly floats down behind OSHA. The Jedi do a horrible job from this point on where it's like, all right, I get they told OSHA, you stay back and we're going to be the barrier between you and the hut, you and me. Perfect. As soon as that Sith floats down, it's on site. Like they just stood there with their with their like finger in their ass is that the

line with their thumb in their ass and their finger sounded weirder um and they were like who is that stand down don't do this don't he ignites the lightsaber they're still not like running like i think they ignite theirs when but like when he ignites the lightsaber and he's got osha face to face are you guys gonna fight or no and he just flicks her to the side and then force push ends the episode force pushes like all of them in one clean swoop they better be a good second half team because if not next episode they're all dying i think there's a chance they all die and that's why fucking kiata mundi doesn't know about the Sith. He killed them all. And maybe there, there'll be a coverup maybe involving the witches of like,

yes, her former Pat or her, or her master was a Jedi or a former Jedi. And it'll all be within the Jedi. We'll have to cover that up and never talk about it. Maybe that's why he doesn't know about the Sith. I could see some Jedi Christian Catholic church, kind of like cover up

fucked up shit. I could definitely see it coming. So, I mean, we'll see, I'm going to hold out my reservations and like, I love the people who are like Bob and Clem, just like slipping the show.

Guys, I was the first person on the internet. I think we said he had last Jedi. Cause I just tell you guys how it is. I have no fucking agendas here. I hope this is better. It's been all right. It's not been as bad as I thought. episode three was a fucking disaster as we talked about and if they need

me to write a movie i will i'm just putting it out there i will step in we'll be consultants i'll use ai for to write the actual words a lot but other than that because i am not smart enough to write a script um but yeah we'll see i mean like i can then when that happened like all right this is what ken jack was talking about hopefully we see some bullshit come out of it yeah i mean in the next episode we should get a huge battle right we have eight ten jedi out there or something all with crazy lightsabers and shit uh i'm sure the whip is gonna come into play at some point though that's gonna be the next thing to piss oh yeah oh that's gonna be that's gonna be rough discourse but i feel like we're calling it at

least down the middle how we see it we're being open about the scenes we don't like even in this episode which but as a whole i watched this episode twice as i do with all of them before we do the podcast i i wasn't like bored with it it moves quick sometimes to its detriment moves too quick but it's completely watchable to me It's not the horrendous show that some are making it out to be. And again, it's nowhere near the level of the holiday special. It only has to do with review bombing on Rotten Tomatoes that those scores are in the same realm. If the holiday special is a one out of 10, and that might be generous to the holiday

special, I would say this is at the very least, if you hate the acolyte, a three out of 10, we'll see where it goes after next week. We'll see. Yeah. We'll see. Because we also said secret invasion started great, which we were like Olivia Coleman,

Sam Jackson, Ben Mendelsohn. Oh wait, where did Ben Mendelsohn go? And you know, quickly. What the fuck happened? Yeah.

Yeah. Hopefully, uh uh you brought it up this week not me fucking for the record true jackie's gonna have like darth vader's robot arm in the final episode no but the discourse about it yeah i even had a friend text me about it and be like i heard they were talking pronouns this week like i think he was a little upset about it and i just i wrote back i was like yeah kiata mundi's trans now i mean he was upset about that but i was like no i'm just kidding i'm kidding i'm kidding um all right what do we have for a hashtag this week hashtag let's go zd we need zd to win tonight because if we don't i'm

gonna be legit i like that i'm down for that let t hashtag let's go zd if you're listening to this on release day i think think it's 7. PM. Doesn't goes live on all the barstool channels, um, root on Clem. And hopefully he'll get like a, you know,

a fucking, this actor was in the Marvel universe, blah, blah, blah. That'd be awesome. Yeah. All right.

We'll talk to you on Sunday night for house of the dragon.