My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 362 - THE ACOLYTE EPISODE 5

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

Robbie and Clem are joined by KenJac this week to break down the latest episode of #TheAcolyte - which they believe was FAR AND AWAY the best installment of the series! Jedi vs Sith lightsaber fights,... twists and turns, and some truly shocking moments! #StarWars **************************************** My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike! Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement, presented by Barstool Sports, and another acolyte recap edition of My Mom's Basement. It is I, Jedi Master Fox, along with Ken Jack, Imperial Ken Jack, Empire Ken Jack. I think it's technically First Order, so I guess we're out of canon. This is bad. Bad costume work by me. And Clem. Just normal-ass Clem.
Starting point is 00:00:33 Actually, I shouldn't say normal-ass Clem. He's not normal-ass Clem. Oh, man. I don't have a trophy or anything to even rock. You guys rock. I'm not a costume guy. I don't really dress up in costumes all that much. What the fuck are you talking about? That was awesome. That was very funny.
Starting point is 00:00:51 I saw Ken Jack arrive in his first order gear and I was like, shit. And I honestly went upstairs to look for the night helmet I wore on Game of Stools this week. And I was just going to turn it backwards, put some silver marker and just be smiley rent. See if I can make that. But I couldn't find the hell of it oh did you just coin that term or did you hear that somewhere because that's brilliant smiley ren i've seen that on reddit the sith guy whoever he is smiley ren that's a great name i figured you guys heard of it in the star wars
Starting point is 00:01:19 ethos the universe you guys live in i'm shocked i uh i broke that one on the podcast that's a good one it's a good one honestly i've tried to stay away from some of the acolyte discourse because oh my god is it bad yeah i tweeted last night i mean like we'll get into this episode obviously but i tweeted something just generally positive about last night's episode and the comments are a dumpster fire i had to mute the conversation really Really? I saw Ken Jack. You did the same. Did you have the same experience? Partially. I think a lot of people have a feeling that they dug themselves too deep into a hole.
Starting point is 00:01:51 You know what I mean? And they're like, oh, now I just have to hate this the rest of the way. No. Much like the world of the Jedi, there is no absolutes. There's no black and white. There's some gray. You can be one. Some episodes can be good.
Starting point is 00:02:03 Some can be great. And I think, not to be too much of a spoiler. I think this episode was fucking great. I know that's like the same thought I had last week. I said, I think the ceiling for the acolyte is pretty good. And I said, I'm OK with that. I think the ceiling for the show is it's pretty good. I take that back. I think this week's episode was really good.
Starting point is 00:02:23 Like I had a blast watching it. I thought it was awesome. We texted right afterwards like, holy shit, that was really good. That was great. watching it i thought it was awesome we texted right afterwards like holy shit that was really good that was great stakes they were killing off people i didn't think they were going to kill off i didn't know where it was going to go next i i mean the only complaint i have about the whole episode is it was a little dark it was a little batter of battle of uh winterfell at times yeah but you had the lightsabers to offset that whereas uh in game of thrones i guess you just had a couple flames. So it is what it is.
Starting point is 00:02:46 It was the first episode that I feel like I would go back and rewatch of the series. Yes, or at least some bits and parts of it, for sure. It's a tough, tough break for, I mean, our boy, we love our boy Old Bulls, but he said he's done with Star Wars after last week's episode. So it's like he's out on Andor, I guess. He's out on Andor season two, which should be awesome. He's out on the Mandalorian movie guess he's out on andrew season two which should be awesome he's out on the mandalorian movie and he missed i mean let's be honest what are the better lightsaber sequences we've seen like in a long time if not ever because there was actually stakes on both sides and new shit that we haven't seen before and making stuff better than i think
Starting point is 00:03:20 a lot of the uh criticisms in the past so someone asked me out, someone reached out to me, they DMed me, they're like, Clem, I'm going to be honest. Like, I see a lightsaber fight this week. What are your thoughts on how it's going to be? And I said, honestly, it's going to be a one or a 10. There's no in between these days with Star Wars. And it was like, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:03:37 10 might be a little strong. It was pretty fucking good though, right? And I think that's the casual fans can get into it. And then again, I was on the Reddit boards and i'm seeing people like oh there's styles and this is i'm like all right that's way too deep for me you know these different versions of fighting and shit i just like the bright swords that cut things in half that are made out of lasers so i think everyone was happy that actually watched the show unless you're just going to be so purely like hatred driven which hey that's part
Starting point is 00:04:05 of star wars lore as well you're gonna hate it whatever it sounds like uh three thumbs up across the board right now from this show oh definitely this episode was great great stuff and it was originally written as the second half of last week's episode the writer said they wrote four and five as one long episode and for like disney plus reasons they had to split them up timing wise that seems stupid like if you have disney plus seems like you should have all of the freedom you want to do anything you want you could do one episode 30 minutes the next an hour seems like maybe they're listening more to like the algorithm there than giving the writers creative freedom i don't know if i would have liked it more or less if it was one episode
Starting point is 00:04:45 i think i would have liked it more and to i guess to the the idea of like where they cut off that last not this last episode the one before that it did feel like a little bit unnatural like like a forced cliffhanger if that makes sense and then like this all being combined into almost more of like a shorter movie i think could have been really cool especially because like that reveal is so tied into everything that happens going into that last episode plus they they then episodes are what night and day or day and night yeah yeah i think like that that's sort of like flip or change from the entire narrative going from and we'll i'm not gonna spoil anything a narrative like doing like a pretty much a full 180 or like a parent trap sort of switch is like kind of going it would have been better as one singular swoop i think than being cut into i'll be honest boys
Starting point is 00:05:30 you know me i see 32 minutes i'm like let's cook that's exactly that's it right in my wheel wheelhouse for like my attention span i don't have to worry about the kids for probably about that long you go 45 50 and that becomes a two-part episode for me as well so i was very happy i'm like ah they're probably not really gonna get a lot done this episode and then by the end i'm like shit i was the popeyes worker just exhausted by all that shit also i'm looking at myself on the on the little picture and picture here i don't know why jedi's never tried the flat brim and the hood i've never tried the hood over the flat brim, but I kind of like it. I feel like a little bit of a,
Starting point is 00:06:06 like Padme when she put the, she had the little hood on in Phantom Menace. It looked a little bit like Assassin's Creed a little bit too. Oh, I like that too. Altair. Was that his name? Something like that.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Yeah. Good call. Let's be honest. I played that first game. You know, those fucking lame ass Jedi don't allow hats. They're like all the rules from school no hats no gum no sagging pants in the jedi probably like the yankees no facial hair no i guess
Starting point is 00:06:31 qui-gon gets facial hair but they probably got rules like the yankees like that i heard there's no pubic hair actually they do damn as well it's really crazy the jedi unless you're kiata mundi and then it's you know all bets are off because you've got to repopulate the planet and all that exactly that dude was fucking uh ken jack how how how did you react and what did you see about the uh the infamous wikipedia gate that went out when we changed the birth that it's it's the ultimate like they just the hard some of the hardcore star wars fan base like they really just need to learn how to choose like battles. You know what I mean? Where it's like they'll really hyper-focus in on the dumbest breach in canon. And I think in this case,
Starting point is 00:07:10 there's obviously a little bit more of like a... I'll say like ulterior motive, because if this was Filoni or Lucas, they're just like, who gives a shit? I don't care. It doesn't matter. It's all good. But pick your battles. There's problems you could save with a series for sure. Focus on that.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Don't focus on Kiai and Mundi's Wikipedia pages. This is a character you guys all fucking made fun of when Phantom Menace comes out. You say, this guy sucks. Who's this goofy-ass looking Jedi with a penis for a head? You hate this guy until it's kind of like a prop you can use for an argument. That I don't get.
Starting point is 00:07:40 And all he does is fuck that penis for a head. He uses it to fuck the... Repopulate his entire speech. He's a goddamn and yet people just hate it man that's a good point in the world of star wars there's like 8 000 different creatures and aliens and whatnot pretty much everyone has the same groin region going on no one's got like an exterior penis in this considering how many different aliens there are there's very there's very intriguing no like penis heads or anything like well except for k kiya moody but like you know what i'm saying did you guys see jeff d lowe's tweet his quote tweet last night of the person that was like are
Starting point is 00:08:11 you fucking kidding me you're telling me there were seven jedi in the woods and none of them sensed the sith behind them and he just posted the the picture of everyone meeting with palpatine yeah every jedi you've ever heard of including yoda and none of them like they don't have fucking spidey senses they have jedi definitely can sense things they could sense i have a bad feeling about this they can get little things it's not like the spidey sense where they're like oh you're the bad guy though like that's just not how it works so that's and the way like you said they'll pick their battles and in this episode i saw people upset that jackie at one point holds her own against his sith even though some other jedi were killed by him right
Starting point is 00:08:50 away and they're higher ranks than her it's like oh my god the fucking nine-year-old anakin skywalker blew up a death star in the phantom menace not the death star don't you know come at trade federation fucking capital ship was the donut with the fucking munchkin in the middle of it. He blew that up when he was nine years old, even though star fighters that have been fighting
Starting point is 00:09:11 for Naboo for 20 years couldn't do it. Like, come on, guys. It's called plot armor and everything has it. Leia managed to evade flee in that forest. Anything can happen
Starting point is 00:09:19 in the Star Wars universe. Oh, God, just got shivers down my spine. It's like, it's like Yoda during Order it's like yoda during order 60s i just felt my heart like oh god there's so many of these though that's like you're saying like there's a million different examples of like sith just walking among you or bad guys walking among you like the fucking clones betray the entirety of everybody you'd be like oh it's a
Starting point is 00:09:40 microchip and everything it's a fucking full army of dudes that are programmed in their brain to turn on you and not a single jedi notices that either it's just this exists except yoda got a little sense of it he was able to behead the two of them ki out of moon is dumb penis head he didn't know what was coming he turned around boom shot that dude was just looking to fuck at that point he's always looking to fuck he's always he's like giving your planet repopulate i i got i got the head for it and that's all He's always looking to fuck. He's like, you mean your planet repopulated? I got the head for it, and that's all he's thinking of. He's singing with the right head and the wrong head at the same time. I saw this on right as well. In the three weeks of the Acolyte,
Starting point is 00:10:12 it has more audience reviews than the three seasons of Mandalorian. It's 25,000 where Mando was 17,500. This is the world we live in. I think this is kind of the way to just put this all in, because we talk about this every episode. Whether we think the show was good or bad that week. It's like this is just the way the Internet is.
Starting point is 00:10:29 You have the crazy fans. Listen, I subscribe to a bunch of different subreddits as well. And it's like the hardest core fans are sometimes the ones who shit on this stuff the most. But you see it in like the Barstool Reddit. It's like, oh, you know, this guy cares about Barstool. And it's like, but then I see it in every other. If you have a podcast a tv show no matter what it is you have people who love the shit then the people who love it
Starting point is 00:10:49 but like want to hate it and then the people who really do love it are like scared to speak up so it's a very odd world we live in it's the internet that's just how it's going to be it's going to get really fucked up when my kids are older though my god god have mercy on their souls. I know. The movie, right? It's going to go nuts. We need The Mandalorian and Grogu to really hit. That could bring us back to a good place. And if it doesn't hit, it's like, oh, God, we're going to hear the Kathleen Kennedy, the Disney, the this, the ruined, the woke. I don't even want those words in the lexicon. As long as that movie slaps and they give us a great Grogu moment, they'll probably give us a great Luke moment at some point.
Starting point is 00:11:29 I would assume he'll be back for that. Ahsoka, all that. As long as that works, I think Star Wars can find balance yet again. But yeah, right now we're in a time of unrest. Yeah, I kind of feel like Disneyney's like the uh the offensive line of like the franchise world where they get no credit when things go right but they get all shit on when anything goes wrong at all you know what i mean we're totally yeah that's andor we bring that up all the time mandalorian is good man again that's good like star wars the animated series like the new season
Starting point is 00:12:02 shit was good bad batch was solid like all this stuff that's good that gets you get zero credit for that but like a couple of a couple of bad episodes the acolyte disney's done they destroyed this it's ruined it's horrible it's fucking disgusting it's over like all it just makes no sense to me like things it doesn't all need to be like this you know cut down the middle like black or white thing there can be good episodes of a show bad episode show a good movie a bad movie just how it works if you told me after the first three episodes of andrew how much i was going to love the show i'd call you a flat-out liar i'd be like no there's no way it just this whole entire universe is based on how both sides are so polar like you said kind of the light and the and the dark and it really is like a mix of the great which hopefully at
Starting point is 00:12:42 some point that will actually be hammered home i I thought that's what the Rise of Skywalker was going to do. But I do think at some point that's going to be how it all shakes out. But we'll see. Whatever. Let's get into this episode of the acolyte episode five. It's titled Night. Osha wakes up in the forest after she was forced thrown. I wouldn't even call that a forced push she
Starting point is 00:13:05 was just like flicked to the side last week uh and she stumbles over some dead jedi right away i liked when she fell and immediately fell and saw the dead body gave me some indiana jones vibes actually when he like falls and sees alfred melina's melina dead face um but the lightsabers humming in the distance too very cool like because when she first wakes up and you don't you don't hear anything. I was like, where is everybody? There was fucking a dozen Jedi out here. A Sith. Are they not fighting?
Starting point is 00:13:32 And then you realize it's a little further away. I thought that was a cool sound moment. She spots the fight. The Sith characters taken on a ton of Jedi at once. He uses cortosis metal his helmet and his wrists are used are made of cortosis which is like a knights of the old republic video game thing that they've brought into comics i think it's used in the cartoons at some point as well it disables lifetabers and that's like such a cool deep cut thing where it's i see something like that i'm like you're telling me they did the
Starting point is 00:14:01 research on fucking cortosis but you don't think they knew kiata mundi's birthday don't even get me started on that but he double skewers a couple jedi and then we don't like see it on screen but it's implied that he beheads him after that fucking metal as shit what an opening to this show and i this is the clip that i tweeted where i'm like oh god i have to tweet this clip for the people that are missing out on the acolyte that gave up after an episode or two. I understand it. It's not everybody's show, but you got to understand this is what they're doing now. We got Jedi kebabs. I fucking love Jedi kebabs.
Starting point is 00:14:35 I'm also like the more Star Wars has these things like these series that piss me off. I am feeling my soul getting darker and darker. And, you know, be Bob, like, look at the Thanos glove in the Magn magneto helmet i kind of realize i'm a big villain guy i'm like this guy can cook he's literally just cooking jedi alive right in front of us it's incredible i love i loved everything about that this entire sequence the skewer move was sick the uh what do you call it the the detaching and that's a little bit later on that movie was sick a couple other ones i think yeah uh i called him the anti nancy reagan his head is so bad it makes the lightsabers go limp yeah the throat woe uh but worst head alive from this i thought that whole fight sequence was sick and like for me after watching like that first episode i thought that first fight with trinity was kind of whack um and not to say that like the other lightsaber
Starting point is 00:15:29 fights and like ahsoka and all those other ones are like world-bendingly amazing cool or anything like that i was just like everyone they hyped it up big time hey fight choreo right choreography's back it's great it's amazing i kind of thought it's been like sort of like meh so far i think the lightsaber fights in this were way cooler i think the way that they like kind of pan through the earth kind of um like move through the trees and like parts of it are getting blocked off so like you can't see the full thing i thought that was cool as well uh so i'm a big fan big fan of that fight we've gotten into a weird place with lightsaber choreography as well where i don't know what the fans necessarily want at this point and A duel of the faces is what they want. They always want it 24-7.
Starting point is 00:16:05 I think they probably do, yeah, because every criticism of any lightsaber fight in the Disney era is usually it looks too slow. And it's like, the best lightsaber fights are the Luke and Vader ones, and there's almost no moments of them where they're fast. Like, it's all about, know i mean even in a new hope like i saw someone tweet like the remade cgi version of vader versus anakin or vader versus
Starting point is 00:16:32 obi-wan in a new hope and they were like this is the one we deserved in a new hope it's like deserved what are you talking about that that first a new hope one is fine it's perfect for what it is they're old men at that point they don't need to be flipping around like a pinball, like Yoda, Attack of the Clones. So it's like, yeah, I feel like the style in the sequel trilogy, whether you like the movies or not, the lightsaber fighting style, I thought achieved that perfect balance. Where it was slow, like the one in Force Awakens especially, I think is great between ray and kylo on star killer base at the end even with finn involved it's like a triple threat match or a handicap match i think that is like the perfect mix of the story still matters in the lightsaber fight they're doing some cool fucking spins or whatever but i don't need everything to be flips and i guess this is the
Starting point is 00:17:19 high republic era so they should be better but i thought this was totally fine i saw people calling this too slow it was not too slow for me i don't understand what they mean by the deserve with uh obi-wan versus vader it was it's it's like if you look at back at that now it's like the patrick ewing posting up akima lajuwan with the magic and the racket it's two washed up dudes all we want is doing is just wait burning the time burning the clock down and then tanks the end of the fight so luke can see him die and it's to sacrifice to, you know, inspire Luke to fight the fucking Empire. That's all it
Starting point is 00:17:50 is. It's nothing. Correct. He's literally stalling for time. He's not like, let me show off my new fucking tricks. He goes, high-low. That's his trick. The whole high-low trick is Obi-Wan's biggest trick he pulls out of his fucking robot. 90-year-old man versus a literal robot.
Starting point is 00:18:05 And I don't know. Robots just, in my head, aren't known for their acrobatics. I'm thinking Boston Dynamics, the dogs that can bear the walk. That's basically Vader at the end of his period. You know what that lightsaber fight was great for? Holy fuck, what are those things? Those things are awesome. They're lightsabers.
Starting point is 00:18:20 And they're fighting each other. It's the one that Luke was using on the ship. He has one, too. And it's fucking awesome. And you can kill a guy and apparently disintegrate him. Because we didn't know what the fuck had happened there right yep and you know what else is awesome and i'm not the first person to say this in fact i'm probably the 10 millionth person to say this the lightsaber humming sound is so awesome that this episode with all of the travesty and death and like bad stuff that went down later on i could
Starting point is 00:18:45 fall asleep to it every night and it's like perfect white noise that lightsaber hum oh my god what a comfort noise that is i was gonna say do they have star wars asmr videos i guarantee you not only do they have them people jerk off to them every single day oh yeah definitely jack are you one of those people be honest we like asmr twii'lek, that's like their biggest export, I would imagine, in the Star Wars world is like OnlyFans and ASMR. What about that bitch from Return of the Jedi that George added in the 90s with the super long lips? Do you think she's super far away from her mic, but she's also super close? I used to know her name from the Jizz Band. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:23 Jizz Band. That song. I used to know her name from the Jizz Band. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jizz Band. That song. The Galactic Jizz Whalers. Yeah, that's the band you want to go see. And again, that's the thing where people are like, give it back to George Lucas. Like, this is the guy.
Starting point is 00:19:37 This is the guy. Everyone's like, George Lucas, he's the only one that did this right. It's like, this guy made the Galactic Jizz Whalers. Everyone the girls like you're shitting on George Lucas's original creations. You know who else shit on George Lucas's original creations? George Lucas. It's not. Oh, size noodles, by the way,
Starting point is 00:19:52 was the size noodles. Right. Yes. Hey, listen, I the 25th anniversary of the great Phantom Menace just came out and that movie was beloved universally when it came out.
Starting point is 00:20:01 The great George Lucas's masterpiece right there. He's a goofball. He's a big goofball. Make a movie for kids. I don't know why people think he's like fucking, you know, That movie was beloved universally when it came out. The great George Lucas' masterpiece right there. He's a goofball. He's a big goofball. Making movies for kids. I don't know why people think he's like fucking, you know, Coppola or some weird shit. And that he never retconned anything.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Have you heard of Metachlorians? Like, don't even get me started. Oh, God. We're bringing up some real painful words this episode that are just daggers to the heart. And a good episode, too. This is not the Acolyte's fault. This is your fault. not you, the listener. I'm sure you, the listener, you're probably fine.
Starting point is 00:20:32 Osha shoots him before he lands the kill shot on Yord, but Yord now has a lightsaber wound through the thigh. And in this moment, I was like, oh, damn, why couldn't he kill Yord? He was so annoying. If you don't like the weather, just wait five minutes. Osha runs away. he throws his lightsaber at her and like video game style like battlefront 2 style when you could throw a lightsaber and it almost does the captain america shield thing with physics where they don't make sense but it's following your target um slicing trees down and shit soul is there to cut it off says get the
Starting point is 00:21:01 civilian to the ship yord and her start running off and the title card hits and such a cool opening for the scene obviously the rest of the episode i was kind of thinking was that the big lightsaber fight is that it no no it just keeps going like the rest of the episode is a lightsaber fight someone also tweeted me and they were like the lightsaber fight this week was cool but everything else sucked again and all of the replies to him were like so you like 95 of the episode that's what you're telling me i hated the names and the credits they were fucking so lame soul and the sith begin to fight meanwhile may and jackie are in a fight of their own
Starting point is 00:21:38 by kelnaka's hut they're in more of a fist fight soul Sol and the Sith character are in a lightsaber fight. Jackie's able to slap some cuffs on her and get Kelnok a saber back. Meanwhile, Sol and the Sith guy start having this interesting back and forth. Sol's like, what kind of master hides his face from his pupil? And the Sith guy says, you tell me. And disappears also. I like this about, we could fucking say, it's Khmer. Spoilers. It's fucking Khmer. I like this about, I don't it's kamir spoilers it's fucking come here i like this
Starting point is 00:22:06 about i don't want to keep calling him the sith guy um kamir is kind of like a ghost in how he like disappears reappears floats down that's something we haven't seen from a sith before and it's a good thing to differentiate the guy from i mean let's face he looks a lot like kylo ren they did a good job with the helmet making him look a little different the smile is like a good thing smile oren great name and also the sleeveless sith look we haven't seen before but at this point in star wars it is tough to make a sith character that wears a darth vader looking helmet that's not just like is he darth vader no is he kylo ren no is he this guy no like
Starting point is 00:22:45 darth raven you have to make it super different they did a good job with it he doesn't feel like a ripoff of anyone he owns it he owns it yeah and like you said i didn't know he didn't know what he was working with under those clothes i was like oh shit this guy is fucking jack i was really impressed with him they put him in real baggy stuff to make him look like a lanky dude and then yeah he looks like a freaking martial artist underneath there by the way we all knew that was the guy right ken jack you yeah which at least they revealed in episode five and it wasn't like the finale reveal yes exactly that's a smart one because everyone obviously i think goes on top of that and beyond
Starting point is 00:23:20 even like looking into reddit like i didn't know any of the theories or anything like within an episode or like an episode going into this this last one episode four it's like it's obviously that guy come here or whatever yeah uh i do like that you mentioned the disappearing thing he's kind of like the waiter from uh mr deeds like the butler like he's just like they'd be fighting him and also he's gone right behind you right there he just disappears and reappears very cool and the way they shot um i think it was a little later on in the episode but may is running away and he is like they shoot it where it's like his face takes up the whole screen for a second he's like you are going to betray me it almost felt
Starting point is 00:23:55 like the way they would cut to like darth vader and the tie fighter in the trench run or something but totally different and it's him talking to her and getting in her head, which they also talk about where it's like a Jordan Osha are saying, Oh, he he's like getting in the Jedi heads. And Osha is like, my mother was able to do that. Do we think Camille is part? Which do we think he was another,
Starting point is 00:24:15 which kid created by the force or just maybe one of the witches, maybe the Zebrak, which is his master in some way. I don't, I was like, is she trying to, cause at that point I think we hadn't gotten the amassing and I'm like, is that one of the witches? I don't know which one had the same kind of body, but it looks like a dude. I was very confused by all that, but I mean, I feel like it just might be a set thing. I have no clue though.
Starting point is 00:24:41 I just, I'm still figuring out the shit from uh with the sisters or whatever their names are from the last thing we just watched the night sisters from andor i'm still figuring all that shit out right now so i feel to you guys so that that was my thought process was like on the on dathomir they had like that village of the dudes where like that's where like savaggio press came from do you remember the guy that like yeah yeah that uh what's called darth maul trains like so maybe their witch village from this version has like a similar thing where like all the women are in their coven here but then they have like their subservient since they're like a matriarchy they have like their subservient like dude class which are kind of being keeping at this too i
Starting point is 00:25:17 guess uh of like those type of warriors too so maybe that why does this guy also have such a vendetta against the jedi and soul and these four you know was it just something where he said i want a pupil i want may so i'll tell her to kill the people that she should have a vendetta against i don't know was it a thing all along where he was a part of burning it down to get may from but he would have to be so young he doesn't seem that much older than may and osha that's why his he could have the master maybe the master is the mom or one of those which is i i don't really know which way it's i also have to rack mom was so sus she has to be involved somehow again rob do you want to get canceled just because she is wanting to i mean i'm not ready to make that claim uh i have to also just say this.
Starting point is 00:26:06 And it's, you know, we've known this for a few episodes. Like our boy Saul, I don't want to put him on the sus list, but like some shit went down that night and we were going to get the mystery and Saul's hands might not be completely clean when it's all said and done. I'm completely fine with that. I honestly, if Saul turns Sith, it actually makes my turn to being a Sith fan that much easier. Well, I was thinking I picked the wrong train this week when we had the conversation after episodes one and two.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Are you a Saul guy or a Kel Naka guy? If you had to save one of them or the other. I said Kel Naka right away. I was like, he's a Wookiee. He reminds me of a dog. I love dogs. Love my dog. I'm saving Kel Naka.
Starting point is 00:26:43 This episode, Saul was so so badass there was that one shot of him with the fucking lightsaber all out and he was like uh oh he's almost in a spider-man pose i was just like oh and he gets into a fucking brawl with the guy later on i was like oh i picked it wrong i should have been on the soul train for sure he he like he doesn't give a fuck about they're talking about rules oh you did this you did this. You did that. You know who he is? He's Ethan Hawke from fucking Train. He gets the job done. May not be by the book. He's also not like the fucking big bad of the film, obviously.
Starting point is 00:27:12 But, you know, that's really spin zoning. If you don't love Ethan Hawke and Train, go fuck yourself. That mystery, I think, is going to come to a head pretty soon. You got to imagine. I think as we get towards the end of the episode, I have theories.
Starting point is 00:27:27 I have a million theories going in my head. But we can get to those as we get towards the end. I didn't know you liked to get wet, Salt. PCP. Those theories will be sponsored by GameTime. Shout out GameTime, one of our absolute favorite sponsors in the world. I'm going to be going to Alanis Morissette next week thanks to GameTime.
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Starting point is 00:28:39 she played god and dogma so she kind of has a kevin smith nerdy uh connection there kind of fits for the basement if i mean also for any mops that listen to the basement i guess she also did the um did the anthem at the uh both anthems both anthems yeah so she's you know dual citizenship canada and america so i mean like if you don't like a lot of more set, you don't like yourself, basically. Or your Dave Goyer was like, please, just, like, that was really tough. Take the guesswork out of buying tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account, and
Starting point is 00:29:13 use code MMB for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download the GameTime app. Last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. And Ken Jack is back, and it's like a super bowl halftime show he's got a costume change a wardrobe change by the way i forgot this from the disney trip how hot this thing was like within having her for two seconds it's trapped in every bit of moisture on
Starting point is 00:29:34 my body also wearing that in orlando yeah that was yeah well i bought a jacket you bought a parka dave bought you know a uniform that looks like it should be illegal to own in a closet um it's in my closet it's sitting in my closet yeah i was gonna say people that don't remember the the costume you were wearing for the first portion of this podcast was dave's disney boys outfit you're just keeping it warm for when we go back exactly i was kind of hoping i'm not gonna like them i was hoping when jeff said like you won the dozen what's next be like we're going back to disney force dave's hand dave was like guys i'm so sorry i had a private jet to catch so i could be on the celtics parade float so it was like my brain was just like what the fuck kind of like does this guy live i'm just happy to win a trivia tournament
Starting point is 00:30:18 that was funny you could see it on the broadcast of him being like i gotta fucking get out and jeff being like you gotta take a picture yeah um back to the acolyte jackie fights the sith guy at one point because he disappears and then he shows up to fight jackie um and she loses one of the lightsabers due to the cortosis and then it reignites as she's like fighting him and that was a cool moment where they kind of do the Star Wars thing where they look at and acknowledge like that. And she's got two lightsabers to fight up until one gets fucking sliced in half a second later. Then the Sith is gone again. He reappears. He tries to kill May and Jackie's able to soul Jackie and Yord are there because Yordan Osher run back.
Starting point is 00:31:03 She had the weird feeling that had a bad feeling about this thing um jackie fucking bashes the helmet she learned you got to bash it you can't use a lightsaber against it we realize it's kamir but he kills her instantly he takes his lightsabers apart and then hits her yeah like shakes her like literally like a prison drink yes like backhand shanks her i am shocked that they killed her and i mean two seconds later he kills yord let's get right past that snaps his neck which like i thought the shanking was brutal the snapping the neck was brutal i thought soul was a goner this week because the way he said i promise you when we get back to safety the fact that they killed the two kids the two trainees you're kind of an adult safety, the fact that they killed the two kids, the two trainees,
Starting point is 00:31:46 you're kind of an adult, but I was stunned. They, they got some balls on this show. Like now I genuinely don't know who's going to live and survive. I didn't understand. I saw the three holes in her body. I'm like, how the fuck did that happen?
Starting point is 00:31:59 It was so fast. I like completely. I didn't know what happened. I'll tell you, man, the ASMR, I could get off to listening to Yord's neck snap I always appreciate
Starting point is 00:32:07 that guy was the fucking worst the worst I'm glad he's dead and to like not even get like the honor and dignity of like a lightsaber death but you get like again whenever someone dies in like a physical form or with like a more of like an analog like a knife or
Starting point is 00:32:24 something you're like oh that's such a bitch way to go out especially if you're he was legitimately a jedi right like he has the capital jedi night yeah he said he passed the trials and stuff yeah yeah this probably would have been jackie's trial too like people were saying that if they would have survived jackie's probably not a padawan after this if she fucking stood toe-to-toe with that sith that saved everyone but you know if if my uncle was a woman he would be my aunt right if jackie was higher if with jackie and yord are in jedi heaven i feel like jackie is like looked at as a more badass warrior it's like at least she oh yeah getting her fucking neck snapped and she wasn't i mean yord he was off with fucking osha trying to follow the rules.
Starting point is 00:33:06 He's like, now the rules, whatever. Like, dude, all your people are at war right now. Like, go have their back. Yeah, exactly. So I thought that I was very happy Yord died. The Yord horde, apparently this is the name of their group, got like fucking support behind that guy. You know, you kind of deserve to have that happen i do feel like i do feel like jackie is oddly one of the big winners of this episode in this series because people are like man jackie was awesome like there's gonna be like a little a ground swelling for like jackie stands that you know 90 of star wars fans won't even know because they have
Starting point is 00:33:41 abandoned the show you know after episode one i've never had an issue with Jackie, to be honest with you. And the dialogue that came after her death only made her death like hurt more when he was like Jackie. And the Sith was like, oh, was that its name? Yeah. Oh, that was. Yeah. She was just a child. And he goes, well, you brought her here.
Starting point is 00:34:01 You brought him to me. That was a fucking. That was two mic drops on her. He picked a mic back up to drop it again yeah yeah that was awesome and that led to like kind of the fight where you see uh what's his name uh soul kind of like embraces darkness a little bit you know what i mean like that was badass too yeah and i wanted to kill the guy too when he fucking he fucking like grabs him and like he goes to slice him by the neck. And oh, she stops him for the kill shot. And it's like, oh, is this your master?
Starting point is 00:34:27 Like, this is what your master would do. Says like there's darkness inside of you. And he goes, I've accepted my darkness. What have you done with yours? Another one where I'm like, come here is fucking spit in this episode. And the rest of the series, one of the things that I think is a very fair thing to criticize about it. The writing hasn't been the greatest. It's been like a little shallow at times.
Starting point is 00:34:46 The writing in this episode, like all of a sudden, I feel like it stepped up a level where I was like, oh, shit, this is like good dialogue. Definitely. I think there was a couple of lines which are like lips. Like you mentioned the the what do you call it? Like what master hides his face from his pupil? Like on his face, it takes cool. When you think about it for a second, like, why would you say that? Like, wow. Like, why would you ask that? What master hides his face? You know, I mean face it takes cool when you think about it for a second we're like why would you say that like why like why would you ask that where master hides his face you know i mean you have fucking clope loon and all these dudes it's like not a big deal in
Starting point is 00:35:11 this world oh yeah that guy's dead too the guy that looked like him yeah so there's a lot of like these alley-oop kind of things for camille to like dunk on them with true other than that i do i agree that the script is like pretty pretty bad i would say for the first like three four episodes but this last episode they definitely i think there's a lot of like sith dialogue which just no matter what even if it's like kind of chat gbt ish or not you kind of get the blood flowing you know one line in this go ahead when when saul went to kill him i i have to admit it guys i was fucking i fucking, I was the emperor. I was like, do it. I wanted him just to fuck.
Starting point is 00:35:48 I was like, let's fucking roll. Let's go to the dark side, meet the master, and let's see how the chips fall as they may. But that's the fight, right? And that's the whole thing that, like, they were, what do you call it? May was saying that the master was saying to him, you got to break the dream, right?
Starting point is 00:36:00 And, like, that's the kind of thing he wants to do to a guy like Saul. He wants to, like, shatter his illusions about himself the joker harvey dent yeah exactly you know to bring the dark knight back up as we do every week even the smile there is some joker in him right that dream line was one of the few things that i really liked in the first like yes the season for sure the one dialogue uh the one piece of dialogue that i didn't like in this scene was when soul is trying to be like what are you says like i'm a sith and he's like why would you risk a discovery and he's like well i did wear a mask it's like i don't know just in the middle of that like
Starting point is 00:36:37 intense thing i was like i don't know that was a weird line but he says he wants a pupil he wants an acolyte he just wants the freedom to wield his power the way he wants, which, again, goes back to the witches didn't have the freedom to wield the power they wanted because the Jedi were kind of being the cops about it. And they get into a straight-up brawl. Big Second Amendment guy. Yes. Come and take it.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Yeah. You are my force. Come and take it yeah yeah you want my force come and take it baby um kamir and sol get into this huge brawl fist fight after yord dies it ends with that i've accepted my darkness thing where he stops uh from he stops himself from killing um kamir and then osha puts pip on kamir's back because you remember the thing with the lights and the umbra moths the bugs when she puts pip on his back she's like i love you pip goodbye basically now later on basil finds pip in the forest so everything's all good but was this potentially the end of this pip like she couldn't take an sd card out of the head
Starting point is 00:37:37 that was just like my droid is now gone forever and this is the sacrifice he's got to make if so like good on her for being able to part ways with what's basically your pet i also liked that basil found him later because they had that little back and forth where he was spraying him with the water i was like oh this could be a little odd ball this is our little jane silent bob duo of the acolyte oh they're already they're animating a fucking series with those two right now for the yeah when she picked picked up the thing, did you think it was like a hidden lightsaber for a second? Because when she picks up the thing, it's like a tube, right?
Starting point is 00:38:10 She picks up the tube. She holds it like this, and I'm like, oh my god, did she hide a lightsaber in this droid? It wasn't, obviously, but for a second, I was like, that actually would have been pretty cool. That would have been cool. And then also, I liked Camille, speaking of holding lightsabers, how he holds the lightsaber like a gun to people's head like that was awesome that was fucking cool
Starting point is 00:38:29 yeah very cool i have to admit like okay i'm trying i'm gonna try not to be like the angry nitpicky star wars fan but when pip the light goes on and like all the moths or whatever like attract and attack them i'm like oh yeah oh yeah, I forgot about those things. And then I thought two things. One, why didn't any of those moths attack when the 800 lightsabers are just flinging around? And the other thing was, oh yeah, I forgot that this is the most dangerous woods
Starting point is 00:38:55 that bounty hunters don't even go to. Yet everyone was just walking around fine. The only problem was the one Sith Lord. Nothing else presented danger. So I was like, and then I'm like, just swallow the prey, Don't say anything. But I just had to let those be known. In case anyone accuses us of sucking too much
Starting point is 00:39:09 acolyte dick, those were very fair criticisms that I had in my mind during this. So not to unsuck, but I think, unless I'm misremembering, when Yord and Osha go to the forest and the moment when they turn to go back, do you remember she holds up the light and she's like, we gotta go back. Run, run run and like i think she led them back to where they were
Starting point is 00:39:28 i think they weren't there i think you might be right about that led the moths back to them i think it'll at least be my head canon now i'll just be like all right that's what she did but you're right because she does turn the light on specifically and say run yes yeah okay so i think so again the lightsaber like if this is the darkest forest of all time and then all of a sudden these all these lightsabers go off maybe some umber moths could have been in that lightsaber fight but yeah it is what it is it also seems like later on they they might have like ran out of cgi for the umber moths because there's a quick shot of them grabbing kamir and then like you just hear it
Starting point is 00:40:06 like it's like you see it and then you see souls reaction to it he's like oh there he goes if they were like listen because this planet is honestly one of the safer planets I think we visited in the Star Wars universe when it's all said and done and it's weird that bounty hunters if they're like bounty
Starting point is 00:40:21 hunters won't go there because those malls are fucking gross completely understand they look disgusting. Bounty hunters don't like bugs. Exactly. They'll kill you for a fucking coin, but they do not fuck with bugs. And I completely understand that. Is this the same forest?
Starting point is 00:40:35 Do you remember, Robbie? There was an episode of I think it was Clone Wars where Ahsoka gets trapped with a bunch of Padawans in a forest and they get hunted by like a Bosk and like a bunch of those. Oh, yeah. Is this that forest? I'm sure it's been... I don't think it is. It could be, but I don't think it is. I was under the impression they created Kofar for the Acolyte.
Starting point is 00:40:57 That was, by the way, they did a full Dangerous Game episode. Clement was sick. That was a great episode of... Oh, shit. Nice. And bringing Bosk in was cool. Like a youngk like yeah cheap man service whatever but i like that shit in the clone wars yeah i mean they have like what's all those guys like the boba fett's like young young boba fett's crew boba fett's first like mission what's his name dangar dangar a
Starting point is 00:41:18 couple other guys yeah you'd like it clem you should get into clone wars one of these days uh the thing is if my kids ever do that's when i'll get into it is with them for sure yeah gotcha this is the old bad batch crew we used to recap season one of the bad batch and our group chat when i went to text it this morning it's still titled the bad bitches that's right yeah which thumbs up for the final season and everything ken yeah yeah very good very good i thought the final season and everything, Kenji. Yeah, very good. I thought the second season was okay. It was never bad, but
Starting point is 00:41:49 the second season never really hooked me until the end. Second season finale on, great stuff. Really good stuff, yeah. The way they set up the sequels, Project Necromancer, all that shit, Palpatine looking for force-sensitive sensitive blood and then
Starting point is 00:42:06 then it kind of like even gave it out for like maybe this is why the sith army was created to do this in darkness while the first order was a bit of a distraction but we don't have to get into all that yeah um may shoot soul with a stun gun right as osha is about to ask what kamir was talking about she's like what was kamir talking about with the fucking darkness you hide and stuff shot with a stun gun and then may and osha finally have it out may is convinced the jedi just turned osha against her she's like please choose me next time choose us choose love i love you we've survived this we're each other's whatever osha's still like fuck you i'm arresting
Starting point is 00:42:45 you this is what i came here to do i'm with the jedi as she goes to do that she gets force pushed down the hall and she's like yeah you were never good at blocking the art of blocking the force interests me as a mma fan i'm like how is how is that like striking defense like your striking defense is good it's bad i don't know but she gets pushed down the hall and then we see uh the first ever lightsaber haircut may slices her or the rest of her hair off with the lightsaber teases the old parent trap and then it's confirmed later on um there was a quick scene where when she does the parent trap she dresses up as osha and she's with soul they walk past two aliens playing a board game and they get mad and like swipe the pieces away the board kind of looked like dejarik so i'm wondering is this dejarik before they got
Starting point is 00:43:36 the hologram technology because a new hope is like 100 years later it would be kind of interesting if that was an early rudimentary version of the jar. And the episode ends with Camille. He's able to get himself down. Basil was still kind of tracking him, found Pip and follows OSHA may onto the ship. And, uh, we just see Camille grabs his helmet.
Starting point is 00:43:57 He finds the real OSHA in the forest, or is it the real, yeah, the real OSHA in the forest. And yeah, we got a parent trap situation on our hands does he know though i think he knows that that's not may right i think both of them kind of did in a way like sold if he looked a little like you know what i mean he
Starting point is 00:44:15 looked a little confused but i think soul's buying it for now he's also just got his ass like beat you know he might have cte concussion true yeah he just had a sense for the first time little little twisted a little fucked up um one i feel like if you burn your own hair that that lingers that smell that smell that's a smell that lingers for sure yeah i didn't think about that no doubt and then i read this uh i think it was on on the reddit um and i don't i don't know if this definitely checks out because again it's like you can't sense that she's the different twin even though the other one was like his padawan or whatever you want to say he apparently calls the twins by their name the entire series and then when he's talking to her at the end he goes your sister so that could show because he's he probably
Starting point is 00:45:00 is like because i'll be honest boys i'm i'm fucking up these names eric and eric fucked me up in dragons on sunday and i'm fucked up with names. Eric and Eric fucked me up in Dragons on Sunday, and I'm fucked up with Osha. I'm like, I'm pretty sure Osha's the good one, because real life, Osha is about health and safety, and this and that. That's how I remember it. And then I forget May's name altogether, and then I'm like, not Osha. So
Starting point is 00:45:17 I think he just said sister to kind of like, where he can talk to her, and it's not like he's, you know, looking like a fool. So there is a chance he knows. And again, I'm a fucking soldier. Saul knows what he's doing. Soldiers. I think I texted that to you guys after watching the first four apps,
Starting point is 00:45:34 the screeners. I was like, for her name being Osha, there was a stunning amount of workplace accidents. The galaxy infamous for the lack of handrails. Yeah. I think the one also like if you could say he didn't know it was his sister but like darth vader also didn't know leia was his fucking daughter when he's asking for their plans on a new portrait he's the chosen
Starting point is 00:45:55 one you know like come on guys like pick and choose your battles if you're going to criticize stuff about the show like ken jack said criticize the writing in the first couple episodes criticize the fact that they spent 180 million dollars on it and there's scenes that look like it belongs in the sci-fi channel or cw like those are very valid criticisms i think to be like the fucking wookapedia gate and kiara mundi's birthday and there's fire in space there's fucking fire and space in empire too for a quick sale like yeah george lucas doesn't care about physics like that he talks about the millennium falcon drifts around corners like a fucking car the physics don't matter in star wars like come on yeah it's like you know your leg just got chopped off and you're bitching about a hangnail on your bar finger you
Starting point is 00:46:40 know what i mean it's like you gotta don't there's sound in space too in star wars like is that a criticism now is it because that's not how physics and science work jango fett's thing in the middle of space like this is just what this world is man um i think the one question i had after the ending this episode though and i wonder what you guys think do you think that may and osha don't only just switch their regular place but also like their emotional state because may clearly wanted to surrender right so yeah she go back to the jedi and now kind of take the place as like the good twin and since osha clearly wanted to learn more about what actually happened to her family does she now go with kamir and become the bad twin there's a chance that happens i think and we talked about this
Starting point is 00:47:20 last week we said in wrestling terms the double turn the good old bret hart stone cold steve austin wrestlemania 13 by the end of it you're like oh my god stone cold was the bad guy coming in but how could you not root for that guy now may may achieve those levels she may pass out in the sharpshooter with blood on her face and we may be like oh my god she's the fucking one if they swapped i'm curious to know if it would be a known thing or would may want to like almost carry on osha's legacy in a good guy sense where she like assumes her identity in a way i don't know i like that there is on the table and i am interested there's like the the murder mystery is still out there,
Starting point is 00:48:05 which I'm interested to see. And I'm interested to see the way that this turns out. So it's like, I give them credit for a show that is, I mean, obviously just getting them basically, like we said, and has had its low points.
Starting point is 00:48:14 I'm happy that there is still stuff that I care about, even after like an awesome lights. I got, I think you might get another lightsaber fight, but I don't think we're going to get to that level. Honestly, not even the lightsaber fight, just the force fighting was awesome.
Starting point is 00:48:25 And that's something I've been wanting more of. And I'm happy we got it. This big upgrade versus I think the Ahsoka force fights with Ezra, I thought looked pretty lame. And I think the more, yeah, where it's like, he walks up and goes like,
Starting point is 00:48:39 and like, yeah, lightly get pushed back. I think they look way better in this for sure. That was also, I think a big upgrade. I think this was way better in this for sure. That was also, I think a big upgrade. I think this was like a very, this,
Starting point is 00:48:47 this series so far you have four kind of male or I'd say three pretty men episodes, one bad one. And then this has just been like a big highlight. This is one. Like if you're just looking at pure episodes of star Wars content, this is like one of the better ones you'll watch. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:49:03 And to me, it brings it up a lot too, for sure. On a whole brings up the one of the better ones you'll watch. It's amazing. It brings it up a lot, too. For sure. On a whole, it brings up the average of the class a lot. This is the guy you want in your class, absolutely, for a weighted average. I think that there's just a different feeling
Starting point is 00:49:18 to it now, because I was in the camp that this is all YA, this is very young adult, but this does not have that feeling really anymore this episode yeah this this episode kind of felt like it was just more normal star wars and i say normal in that like yes kids could probably still watch it but this episode would be a little scary for kids i think a lot of death snapping necks that's a pretty graphic visual yeah yeah and rewatchability too this is i don't know if i'd rewatch the episode but like i probably would check out that fight on youtube at some point
Starting point is 00:49:51 and be like oh let me just get like a little two minute refresher on that it's like oh shit that was pretty fucking sweet the shanking boom boom boom yeah that was crazy i'll make a i'll make like a repeating supercut of you're dying for you too. Thank you. Thank you. I'm really uploading the ASMR of him dying as we speak. Like mirror that. Yeah. Have it set to a beat. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:13 Good. Good. Do you think there's a chance that this guy could be, come here, that is a Pelagisaurus master? In my brain, it can't be Pelagisaurus because he's a different species, right? He's just an entirely different creature. In the timeline, you don't know how old he is.'s got he's got a weird head yeah yeah and the guy that was and i looked at it before the guy that was pelagius's master like ten of ten of boris or something like he's the species of the fucking cantina band he's the butthead oh shit yeah which
Starting point is 00:50:39 yeah by the way not very intimidating the butthead guy No. Yeah. So I don't know where he lands in this. The whole thing is he's going to be two, right? Yeah. Yeah. There can only be two. But also with them teasing, you know, the birth without a father, like the weird, unnatural birth. They specifically say, like, he had learned that power in revenge of the set have you ever heard the legend of darth plagueis the wise he learned that power from someone else that's
Starting point is 00:51:12 another thing people thought was canon breaking they were like oh my god so you're telling me anakin wasn't the first it's like they never said he was the first they said he learned the power from someone so they kind of explicitly said he wasn't the first and i'm not even saying may and osha were the first there could have been people before them they could have been working out the kinks they could have been you know whipping up some babies that did not look normal this i think could be a backdoor way of doing the plague is backstory in canon i almost don't want it to be that already because i know how much people will hate it just and even if they do it well because it's in the acolyte they'll be like oh my god you shit on
Starting point is 00:51:53 george lucas blah blah you know yeah i almost don't want it just for the discourse which is bad that we're living in that world where it's like you know if twitter didn't exist i don't think i am opposed to that at all i think i'm like oh yeah that'd be cool i think you almost seem to counter my own point too it's like there's there would be say there can only be two but there is multiple examples of there being way more than two even in like we were just talking about with clone wars like yeah um what's his name was darth maul's uh uh what do you call it apprentice darth maul was duke was apprentice duke who was at that point uh darcidul was dooku's apprentice dooku was at that point
Starting point is 00:52:25 uh darcidius's apprentice there was four sith going at that point and it's like yeah like even in revenge of the sith by the time dooku is killed anakin is basically palpatine's like shadow apprentice he doesn't realize it yet but like there's there's muddy stuff working with the they're always cheating the rules it's like his name in in ahsoka too uh the what's his name um and the most no it's who's the bad guys but not bane i'm gonna keep going to say bane it's not who's the orange lightsaber and oh uh oh um he was so good baylon yeah skull like those guys are all kind of sithy too i mean you got a jedi survivor others like but they use orange lightsabers so there isn't just two of them it's
Starting point is 00:53:11 like okay they will excuse that because it's feloni right yeah exactly yeah and people also don't like feloni gives notes and approves every script for this show people like don't realize that when they blame kathleen kennedy it's i love feloni whatever you don't like him on this show people like don't realize that when they blame kathleen kennedy it's i love feloni whatever you don't like him on this show is i would assume a lot more on feloni than it is kathleen kennedy i don't think she's making creative decisions if you're looking up like the ladder of response direct responsibility yeah for sure um i got two sports analogies for you guys first because ken jack mentioned the story with the offensive line where if it sucks you just don't hear about it but if it's awesome you don't
Starting point is 00:53:45 kathleen kennedy is basically you know giants and chargers fans all we know is bad offensive lines right and we had like two good ones and they were like probably the most magical seasons of our of our lives dj fluker i feel like he's was one of like the nightmares for you back in the day so bad he ended up with you guys too yeah and then we had eric eric flowers right that's kathleen kennedy where it's like you know her you hate her and she's the reason for everything being wrong well let's be honest there's a lot of other holes in those lines when looking back at the roster from that day we don't even know what she does like the one thing i think is fair to criticize her for is the fact that like they've announced 20 movies over the last couple years and two of them have gotten made and
Starting point is 00:54:22 directors drop out like that seems like something that may fall under her responsibility the creative stuff i'm like i don't think she's making like you know what i mean he should have a green lightsaber you know like i don't think kathleen kennedy's that person she did get an entire south park special focus around her which is pretty impressive for some people does but i'm not going to defend kathleen kennedy for sure because i don't know what she does on the other side of things and then in terms of the seth it's kind of like a baseball team in my mind you could like you have a 25 man roster in the majors that's like they have a two-man roster in the majors that are like the dudes and then you have the minors and it's like you have fucking anakin walking around not even knowing he's being groomed you have these orange lightsabers
Starting point is 00:55:00 it's like they're all near the minors at all that's usually a bad mix good point yeah no they they have a they have a huge minor system too it's it's like all the people like kamir where it's like even if you were even slightly like angry at the jedi at one point you're being considered and you don't you don't have to know you're being considered but you're on the draft board yeah the draft board of like sith guys just like they're they're people who like hey this guy he's force sensitive he's a little angry i saw him cursing at a video game system the other day is it potential you can put him at first base may when she was like a little baby like she got a little upset that her sister was like better at the test and they were like skyrocket her up the draft board she's getting real angry
Starting point is 00:55:45 put some flames in her hand and we are good to go this guy has a kimono spice that was found last week putting him back down like laramie tunsell uh that was the accolade episode five how many episodes are there total i know we looked this up at some point is it eight or ten i want to say there's eight i I think there's three more left. I think there's eight. Yeah, I think there's eight, which I'm very happy about. Yeah, it feels like it's rounding a corner here and that we are in the home stretch. So eight would feel good.
Starting point is 00:56:15 Ten would feel like a bit much. I went to – I just put in Acolyte and the two Google autocompletes were episode five and canceled. Yeah, so eight episodes, July 16th is the finale. and the two Google autocompletes were episode five and canceled. July. Yeah. So eight episodes, July 16th is the finale. Cool. And by the way,
Starting point is 00:56:32 so this episode, this is the top rated one we've had so far in terms. This is IMDB. I'm not even on Rotten Tomatoes. Has to be. 6.6 out of 10, which feels a little low
Starting point is 00:56:42 considering everything else. That's the one that everyone hated was 3.4. That's the lowest. That seems high, not for my own personal taste. I would imagine the episode three, I would think is like a 0.9 or like something crazy like that. This episode, I would say it for my own personal taste.
Starting point is 00:57:07 I would say this was like an 8 out of 10 yeah but then star wars world very high um my crazy i would say like 7.5 to 8 out of 10 as a light scale it's an 8 but like real star wars i'd say 7 1 like if mando season 2 finale is a 10 where luke shows up at the end this is probably realistically like a 7 max yeah but right it's better than the non-mando yes it might be better than every episode every non-mando episode of boba fett this singular episode i would have to re-watch some of the boba fett i liked when he rode the rancor at the end. I'm not going to lie. That was cool. I liked that. I liked when he rode the Rancor, and I liked when he killed the people at Tosche Station.
Starting point is 00:57:50 That was fucking sick. But again, Boba Fett, I liked. Scooter gang. Yeah. Yeah. I liked moments in Boba Fett more than I liked episodes. Yeah. What about the moment where he drops the seismic charge
Starting point is 00:58:02 in the fucking Sarlacc pit? Yeah. Badass. That was awesome. Obi-Wan, this is better than a couple Obi-Wan episodes for sure. what about the moment where he drops the seismic charge in the fucking sarlacc pit yeah badass that was awesome obi-wan this is better than a couple obi-wan episodes for sure even the good obi-wan shit like kind of just fucked up the like again you're getting vader and obi-wan it's like it just seemed like i know i thought about that the other day like in another show i would describe the exact same way as boba fett i liked moments more than episodes and like the moment where vader like was snapping necks and shit and then walking through the town awesome the moment where vader is face to face with obi-wan and he lights the
Starting point is 00:58:36 ground on fire and he just slowly drags obi-wan through the fire but then leaves him there that was so lame why'd they do that like someone posted that on twitter the other day and they were like this is one of the best vader moments we've never seen him so angry and vicious it's like i think if he was that angry he would kill the guy instead of letting him live like it i just didn't like that scene at all also like the soundtrack being like danny elfman didn't help which is crazy yeah yeah insane um do Insane. Do you guys think, by the way, the Sith are getting too sexy?
Starting point is 00:59:07 Cause I feel like the Sith that we knew and loved growing up. Ugly, gross, ugly. And now since then we've had Anakin, young Anakin, sexy dude. We've had Kylo Ren,
Starting point is 00:59:18 sexy dude. Now we have come here. Sexy dude. Even like most of the other apprentices we had, like a size Ventress, pretty sexy. And like all the other ones, you like asajj ventress pretty sexy and like all the other ones you're getting too hot i mean even like baylon skull was kind of a silver fox and his
Starting point is 00:59:30 apprentice i mean don't get me started on shin hottie robbie fox we'll be here yeah so like i i let dorothem all take a whirl with me did you see the video like ripping the cigarette while driving around like the mini little thing on the oh yeah on the land speeder oh my god she just got cast in something yeah i forget what but she just got cast in something big i believe yeah ivana her name's ivana shanky or something ivana shanko. Ivana Shankor, like Tupac? He's going to co-star
Starting point is 01:00:09 Alison Williams in Atomic Monster. Oh, and Blumhouse's Megan. She's going to be in the new Megan movie. Megan, that's what I thought she was casting. We talking girls getting her ass in and out, Megan Williams? Alison Williams? Exactly. Whoa, doctor.
Starting point is 01:00:30 I bought a lot of stock in her like a decade ago former robbie fox fan actually yeah i don't i don't know if she keeps up with the content but uh she screenshotted a blog i wrote about get out and she posted it on instagram ah cool nice because that that fucking critic remember that critic that goes against what everyone says? Oh, Armand. Armand White? Yeah. Armand White, he was the first one to give it a bad review and ruin the 100%. So I wrote a review kind of like, I think it was like 2017, 2018, letting people know,
Starting point is 01:01:00 if you don't know Armand White, like here's his history. You know, he likes every movie that people hate and he dislikes every movie that people love um so she screenshotted it and was like i was waiting for armand white to do this like she knew yeah yeah it's that's his thing his whole thing is playing spoiler it's crazy i feel like her career goes in a much better way if her dad doesn't get caught lying right brian williams got caught with like making that's brian williams daughter oh yeah i did not know that holy shit the hell he's the helicopter crash guy or helicopter attack guy right brian correct yeah that was great see i forgot about that that was like the biggest news story for like a year yeah i don't think that lasts like two weeks on the
Starting point is 01:01:41 news now that's crazy alice williams very. That's crazy. Alice Williams is very good in Get Out, though. Very good. Very, very good. So creepy and scary. When he finds those pictures, like your heart fucking drops. You're like, oh, my God, in the closet. Man, that makes me want to rewatch Get Out. Great movie.
Starting point is 01:01:58 Bob, get her on the podcast. Get her on the podcast. I would totally interview her. That'd be great. I think she'd be great interview. Oh, how about this? I could tease an interview. I can't say who it is, but'm gonna fucking tease an interview that's gonna make people excited here i have officially recorded an interview with a returning member of the x-men
Starting point is 01:02:13 cast in deadpool and wolverine can't put it out till the week of nice a returning member of the x-men will be on my mom's basement can't guess can't guess i can't say who can't say who so we can't guess all right i think this is going who can't say who so we can't guess all right i think this is going to be a very hot interview if i had to guess can't even look at my face i can't confirm or deny can't confirm or deny we need a hashtag for this week though i just go hashtag allison williams at this point i'm i'm i'm good as soon as this is over i'm watching that scene from girls i'll tell you right now and i stare at that kid for like 20 seconds i'm like holy shit oh by the way that forgot you had posted on that uh when you were on that bracket last week the gavin rostell interview i constantly forget that he's in
Starting point is 01:02:54 fucking constantine you know what i mean my second interview with him i asked him about that and he like loved being in constantine he said he heard that they were doing a sequel which got like rumored kind of announced i think and he was like oh yeah he emailed them and said i want back in but he didn't hear back so he's like i don't think they want me back in every line he had was good except for the one the finger licking good line i remember he said that on the podcast he said he was trying to be hannibal lecter yeah yeah yeah everything about him he's just trying to be hannibal lecter all right that was the him. He's just trying to be Hannibal Lecter. All right. That was the acolyte episode five.
Starting point is 01:03:28 It was good stuff. Hopefully the, the internet streets are not filled with scum and villainy like they were the past couple of weeks. I hope this brings at least some of us back together here and we will see you on Sunday night for house of the dragon.

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