My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 365 - JOHN CENA IS RETIRING (FROM THE TOP ROPE WITH JARED CARRABIS)

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

Robbie and Jared Carrabis are BACK for their first episode of From The Top Rope in a while to discuss the debut of the Wyatt Sicks, the new direction of the Bloodline, John Cena's retirement tour, and Money in the Bank/the road to SummerSlam. #WWE #MoneyInTheBank #SummerSlam **************************************** My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike! Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello, and welcome back to From the Top Rope, featuring Robbie Fox and Jared Karabas, presented by My Mom's Basement, Barstool Sports, whatever. But come on, this is From the Top Rope. When we're together in the basement, it's From the Top Rope. And it's been a while since our last episode. Jared and I were talking, we were saying, ah, we probably should have done an episode when the Wyatt Six debuted or when this happened, when that happened.

We said, all right, Money in the Bank is a good place to say we're on the road to SummerSlam. We got stuff to preview. We got stuff to recap. How are we feeling, Jared? I got to say, Bob, as a baseball guy, I've got to experience a lot of cool things in my career, things that I don't deserve. Bobblehead nights, World Series parades, World Series ring ceremonies. But last Monday, I got name dropped on Monday Night Raw. And I think the, not even like my inner child, like my current being,

my current state of self, it had to be like a top three, like moment of excitement for me. Like it, like that's like what you, you dream about, right? Like,

like I'm not, I'm, I wasn't going to grow up to be a professional wrestler by any means, but that was, that's what I wanted to do. Like before I wanted to play in major league's what i wanted to do like before i wanted to play in major league baseball i wanted to be in the wwe i wrote a whole book on it when i was in fifth grade so to have my name said on the raw broadcast when they're in boston i i don't know

i don't know that i can top that i don't't know. Well, it's funny that it happened in Boston too. Obviously, it makes sense. The reference came because they were in Boston, but you were there. So you didn't get to hear it live. Did your phone just start blowing up when it happened? Yes. And Corey, so it was Corey Graves that said it, but he didn't say my last name. He just said Jared, but it was enough.

He was talking about Liv Morgan throughout the first pitch of Fenway. And he said, yeah, my buddy Jared's already trying to sign her up for the Red Sox. So, like, immediately, like, a million text messages. People were, like, sending me videos of their TVs. So, I got to, like, listen to it while I was at Raw. But, yeah, very cool moment. I texted him immediately. Like, he was still on the broadcast, and he responded back. like dude i totally so yeah that was awesome do you have the clip can

you play the clip or pull it up while we're doing this podcast because it is a monumental moment for the from the top rope boys one of us was mentioned on monday night raw we got to play it i feel like it's not the first time he's given a little shout out either. Remember years back, he was talking about Mojo Raleigh and he was like, ah, Mojo is probably wasting time trying to get videos posted on Barstool sports. Yeah. Like a little,

like slipped it in there. Yeah. Here it is. Champion was busy yesterday. He got a first pitch over at Finlay Park to the Red Sox. Bring a little Liv Morgan magic to the Red Sox. Leading the Sox to a 4-1 win as she threw out the ceremonial first pitch Pretty cool, Bob. And I talked to my good friend, Jared, who's already petitioning the Red Sox to sign with Morgan full time because he could be their good luck charm. A limp could not take a shot at me.

Pretty cool, Bob. Pretty cool. Pretty fucking cool. Pretty cool. Pretty fucking cool. Shout out Corey Graves. It's very cool of him to slip you in there. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And he's a huge baseball fan. It's like, that's like, you know, for any. I didn't know that. Who's his team? He's a Pirates. So we talk about Paul Skeens, Jared any, I didn't know that he said he's a pirates. So we talk about Paul skeins, Jared Jones,

like that. Any person in professional wrestling that I have a relationship with is because they're a baseball fan. Like no one gives a fuck beyond that. Like, it's like punk loves the Cubs and horror movies. So we connect on that. A big cast loves the Yankees.

We pretty much, or excuse me, big bill. Uh, uh, he loves the Yankees. So we always talk about the Yankees, red pretty much are. Excuse me, Big Bill. He loves the Yankees. So we always talk about the Yankees, Red Sox. And then Corey Graves, huge Pittsburgh Pirates fan.

Yeah. Also, speaking of the Pirates, if you hear any screaming in the background of this podcast, the Pirates are currently beating the Mets. Frank the Tank, obviously not happy about that. Yeah. Screaming his head off. Screaming his absolute head off over there. But before we get into the road to SummerSlam, Money in the Bank,

the wrestling stuff we're going to recap that just happened recently, I want to go back a little further because if you're a longtime From the Top Rope fan or just a longtime Jared Karabas fan, you know he is one of the biggest Bray Wyatt fans out there. Always has been since Bray debuted in an Inferno match against Kane. Yeah, Ring of Fire match. Yeah, sorry, Ring of Fire. And they ended with a fucking fireproof blanket.

That was so strange. But the Wyatt Six finally debuted and had an amazing debut, in my opinion. You know, the end of Raw where they fucking killed half the roster. Chad Gable sitting there dead, gunshot in his head. debut in my opinion you know the end of raw where they fucking killed half the roster chad gable sitting there dead gunshot in his head what did you think of the ys6 finally uh you know being a thing that they can go forward with so it's very funny i was in arizona for the mlb draft combine with mlb network so i'm in my hotel room and i've got because i knew like everyone kept saying that the wyatt six was going to debut on this raw so normally i'd be home and i've got the nine tv setup but

i'm in a hotel room so i've got uh the red socks on my laptop the celtics were in the nba finals they were about to clinch the title that was on the tv and then i had raw on my phone i think or some combination of that um so as the celtics are clinching the wyatt six are debuting it's happening at the same time there's 20 seconds left in the fourth quarter and we're starting to see like the the lights go out and the cell takes your life three two so i mean not that i give a complete fuck like it was But I was so drawn in, just captivated by it in real time. Because for me, for those of us who watched the Bray Wyatt documentary, and we saw the ending of it with Taylor, Bo Dallas, basically telling you like, hey, by the way, I know that like Bray Wyatt,

Wyndham Rotunda passed away, but Uncle Howdy's not dead. Just letting you know that. So right at the end of that documentary, which we finally get to see like Taylor Rotunda, like wrestling fans haven't been introduced to him. It's always just been like Bo Dallas and these goofy characters. So some of the, I guess, hesitance to,

to think that this could work was taken away. Right. Because if we just have the last image of Bo Dallas is the last that we really saw of him. And we didn't have the Bray. Yeah. Like we didn't have the Bray yeah like we didn't have the bray documentary to see like oh like he does like he can have this dark side to him

um i think a lot of us maybe would have had some hesitancy to believe that he could pull this off um but he kind of had his it's not a heel turn it's more just like a darkness turn yeah in the bray wyatt doc and that leads into the wyatt six debut uh very cool how like detailed it was in terms of um uh he was only wearing one glove it's like it's not the hurt heel but it was it said bray but it was on the hurt hand yeah so there's that um he it was almost like uncle howdy's mask was a variation of the mask that bray was wearing when he first uh came back in what was that december of 22 when he returned after for the first time after getting released it was like a modified uncle howdy mask that was similar to Bray's mask at that time. I think for me, who...

I've described this, I think, talking about Roman, but when you're a fan of a professional wrestler, it's like a sports team. You're with them through the good times and the bad. That's how i view it but i think a majority of wrestling fans watch the wwe product and they just consume it all and like they boo the bad guy and they cheer the good guy so i think if you're just one of those wrestling fans that's consuming all of it as if it's all on the same playing field then i could

see why you would be like, all right, yeah, the wide six. I don't know if this is going to work. And then you hear all the, the old timer, the professional wrestlers who have their podcasts and their radio show is

being like, I don't think you can just take a group of cast off wrestlers and put them all together and have it be this top faction. It just doesn't work like that. I, so far i disagree i i mean we haven't we still i feel like we're just scratching the surface of what it's going to become and last monday night when they were in boston my big question was okay the

week prior we see uncle howdy is interviewing beau dallas and uh i was like tonight as in last monday we are going to figure out are they going to do this for all the characters like is nicky cross going to interview like sister abigail and so forth um but it wasn't it was just a continuation of beau dallas having a therapy session with uncle howdy and then then at the end, we see the two come together and they're just, they are one. And they were in the firefly fun house, uh, at the time.

So the storytelling is great, but because we've only seen the therapy session with just Bo Dallas, there are so many different avenues to go down with this. It's the Wyatt six, but it's like, is Bray Wyatt, the sixth member. Are they leaving that spot open is it uh alexa bliss who's said to be coming back is bron strowman is still kind of just like the big guy that's floating around that has like no real direction he doesn't

have anything like is is he gonna get in the mix i don't know but i'm very intrigued. And so far, like Bo Dallas, Taylor Rotunda has exceeded my expectations in terms of how he has presented this character to this point. Definitely. I think big credit goes to, I don't know his actual name, but the guy who did all of Bray's masks and he's like the horror movie guy. All of their outfits look amazing like nikki craw seeing her first for the debut and you see those like black eyes was like holy fuck she looked like the girl from the ring coming out then you get the vulture on the top it like sitting you know like a vulture on the crow like perched over all of their masks i thought were awesome rowan seeing him in that new outfit and the new fucking, he still got the sledgehammer and stuff.

I thought that was great. I actually liked the interviews with Uncle Howdy and Bo even better than the debut. There is part of me that's like I go in with a little trepidatious because it's hard to book characters like this when you actually have to make them wrestle. Like that was my issue with a lot of Bray's career it was none of his fault really it was just the way he was booked they kept putting themselves in corners with him where it was like ah fuck like he probably should have beat cena at wrestlemania 30 he probably should have not have lost like the next seven matches to cena and last man standing and i quit and this that the thing. He probably shouldn't have kicked out of a hundred curb stomps. And then you set them up for like the, him and Goldberg. And they made a lot of weird mistakes.

I'm hoping those were all Vince mistakes. I think a lot of them probably were. And Triple H probably knows how to book spooky characters like this better. And it's a slow burn. Like you don't need to see Uncle Howdy wrestle a lot. If see him wrestle a couple times a year i think that's fine and you know his lackeys can do the rest of the work it is interesting to see where they choose to put them and where they choose to hold them back like i thought for sure we'll have a spot of money in the bank with them but just not so yeah which it keeps it unpredictable like legitimately you don't

know if they're going to show up or not yeah and the whole thing with that too in terms of like the booking and the whole wrestling part my guess would be that maybe not uncle howdy but the rest of them they can't wrestle in those masks right like it's almost like how like braun strowman would like take off the black sheep masks like you're gonna wear it in the promos but you're gonna take it off when it's time to wrestle like like dexter loomis can't wrestle in that fucking bird mask it's like a fucking slipknot like cory taylor's old you Yeah. It's like, yeah, you can't wrestle in those. So I think that's probably like uncle Howdy can wrestle in his mask for sure.

And he has not had like a sanctioned match, but like he's done wrestling spots. Like he gave Bray the sister Abigail one time. Um, but that's my guess. Is that Frank screaming right now? Screaming, screaming.

That is. Yeah. yeah um but yeah i think that's probably the move right like they're gonna take their masks off to wrestle because every like i what triple h has done a great job of is acknowledge that fans are smart now and even though they all debuted masked, every fan knows who they are unmasked and they know their names and what they look like. So I think it's fine if to make it look less. Jesus, Frank, uh,

if it makes sense for a room, that's crazy. Uh, less hokey, I guess it would be less hokey if they wrestled without the masks on but they did everything else with it on that's fine yeah and i think even doing the bow dallas like interview was them being like and by the way we're not trying to hide like this is this is the guy you remember and yeah it makes sense because everyone like you said they know

that wrestling fans are smarter everyone watched that documentary or at the very all of the advertisements for it which featured him and stuff and the fact that this is bray's brother and bray's group of friends and misfits if you want to call him that that are carrying on his legacy is so cool it's also a little bit like hard for them to be heels i get that they're fucking murdering people but it's hard not to root for the real life story behind that. And even like you see the picture of them after their debut at like In-N-Out Burger or something. Whataburger.

Yeah, they were just like all together. That's funny shit. And I love the name. I love the look so far. I feel like so far so good with the Y6. I have nothing I could point to where I'm like, I don't like that about them. Yeah, and I like that they also did that sort of interview thing with beau and uncle howdy because it's like we know that you know that this is beau dallas like we're not trying to be like oh who's under the mask who's uncle howdy it's and what i also love about it is there were uh like when we're talking about bray wyatt and the undertaker you have these

supernatural characters with the wyatt six it's like yeah there's an element i guess of supernatural to it but when you have beau dallas being interviewed by uncle howdy and then by the end of the video it shows that like it is just one person talking to himself and it's a split personality like Uncle Howdy is to Bo Dallas as the fiend was to Bray Wyatt uh then it kind of just it's not supernatural it's like psychological and I like that better too way better way better i would rather have like the psychological twist because then you still have that realness to it versus uh you know i can summon the spirits of the night to take your soul and it's like that doesn't that doesn't work

for me in 2024 brother i was talking to somebody about that recently where it was like undertaker he did supernatural stuff in promos a lot he would have fucking lightning strike on the ramp or something like that but he wasn't necessarily winning matches like that whereas bray had like the hologram pop up and bray had the little kid you know make seno lose that steel cage match and some of that stuff where again i felt like it wasn't necessarily bray's fault but there were so many of these like endings to matches the bugs in the ring at wrestlemania or alexa having the black goo where it was just like hmm like you said a little hokey like that's how it feels when it's psychological it's like oh like those fucking uncle howdy interviews had some great writing

where i was like oh i didn't know they had like writers on staff that could like weave lines like that. And maybe it's maybe Bo is helping. I would assume he has big creative control and especially that it's his brother's thing. I feel like you have to give that to him. But yeah, good stuff. Good stuff with the Wyatt six so far. Another faction that you are, I would say the representative of on this podcast is the bloodline. And since we last did a podcast, Solo has completely taken over. It's like a hostile takeover of the bloodline. Paul Heyman has been attacked, kicked out of the bloodline because he wouldn't acknowledge him as tribal chief. What are your thoughts on the direction they've gone with the bloodline storyline?

Because I hate them this much i love jacob fought too i love jacob fought too but outside of that um it's just little brother like it's not uh like it's it doesn't give off and maybe that maybe it's not supposed to but it's not giving off like the the rise of a new empire where it's like, Oh fuck. When Roman comes back, how is he ever going to stop these guys? It's,

it's more like, all right, dude, like I can see, I can see what you're trying to do, but when daddy comes home, then you're big trouble. Like,

that's how I feel. I don't know. Maybe it's just because I'm a Roman Bobo. And I, I feel like the, this bloodline, well, cause what they were trying to say on the broadcast for money in the bank was, you know, the, the, the OG bloodline, like they were brutal, but they had guidelines. Like they, they had their own rules, but they play, they stuck to the rules. Like they had a code of conduct and this bloodline, like there's no rules and no one is safe. So I, they're trying to make this bloodline seem more dangerous than the Roman one. But it's like, are they like Roman?

I know it's like solo is never gonna have the upper hand over Roman, which is not going to happen. So we're all just waiting for Roman to come back to reclaim the throne, which he obviously is going to do. He's going to be a massive baby face. Um, it's going to be great because I'm going to be, but what I've been waiting for for 15 years,

however many years it's been. But, uh, yeah, I think they're doing a good job of being like the annoying little brother that thinks that he's the big brother now. Yeah, they're placeholders. It feels like you're not their guy. You're just the guy because Roman isn't here. I go back and forth on Solo and I don't know how much of it is his fault. Again, like going back to the booking, there's that meme where he was 0-34 before they started this run. Including house shows.

Maybe it's just hard for him. Yeah, including house shows. But it's hard for me to watch him now be the tribal chief, and he just doesn't give off the aura. He's not putting on the best matches. I don't think he's a bad wrestler but when you put him in there with you can't cut a promo tonga loa and it's him and jacob fatu like you said is awesome and we saw a little bit of him getting to showcase the stuff he could do whisper in the wind and crazy shit that you wouldn't expect someone his size to be able to do but they're not completely

doing it for me right now this new bloodline like even the main event of money in the bank ending the way it did it didn't feel like when roman would win a main event it was a little deflating if you wanted the guy he was facing to win or whatever but like it was like oh he's still the fucking guy he's still on top when they wanted money in the bank it felt like all the air was sucked out of the arena. And it was like, oh, fuck. That's it? Like, that's the whole thing? And the match was also thrown off course because I think Loa got knocked out on the suicide dive and then fucked up the low blow.

He punched his brother in the fucking head trying to do a low blow. That angle was so funny. That angle was hysterical. It wasn't a bad main event. And I felt like even putting them in that main event spot with Orton and KO and Cody, like it rises them to a level, but they could only do so much to rise them to that level where they just don't feel like, like for Omen has that final boss aura solo is so far from the final boss or it's, I don't know how you could get him there in time like and like

you said they're trying to make them more brutal they did that like attack on kevin owens where they had them all bloodied and shit but that didn't feel more brutal than them handcuffing sammy and ko at the royal rumble and just hitting him with chairs a couple times like you need i don't know if you need more story or what the Heyman segment was amazing. That was the best thing they've done yet where Heyman got that crazy pop at MSG for being like, I do not acknowledge you. And that made me realize like Roman might get the biggest pop of all time when he comes back as a baby face,

like, Holy fuck, that's going to be awesome. Do you think he comes back as soon as summer slam? It looks like solo and Cody is probably going to be the direction for SummerSlam. Yeah, I don't know that he... I don't think he comes back at SummerSlam now. I'm trying to see the path.

And why would he interfere? It's almost like people were saying, oh, will Roman come back at money in the bank and i was like money in the bank is beneath roman and i'm not saying that summer slam is beneath roman but cody versus solo is kind of beneath like what is what's the motivation for roman reigns to want to step in between solo sakoa and cody and Cody Rhodes having a match together? I don't think he steps in between them. If that were the case, you could spin the motivation of like,

why are you going for my title? That's still my title. But I would picture Cody winning in the main event, Solo, Jacob, and Tonga Loa beating the shit out of Cody. And then like maybe cutting a promo acknowledge your tribal chief Roman's music hits and Heyman right behind him walking down like oh you guys fucked up like when Paul Bearer came back with Kane

yeah yeah like something like that you do a big face off and then you can build to a bloodline of war games in November you give them a couple months to build to that point. And you probably don't even see Roman wrestle till then, but I would love to see him getting the band back together,

getting the Uso's maybe even having Sammy as his like fourth person. That would be incredible. I I'm very surprised that Jimmy was not involved in this main event, uh, and money in the bank. Why wouldn't you use this opportunity to bring back Jimmy to even the four-on-four? True.

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe just because it was like they didn't want to even it up. They wanted the heroes to be at a disadvantage or whatever, but I don't know. Shout out Kevin Owens working the SmackDown and Money in the Bank while his mom was in the hospital. Cut an awesome promo on SmackDown where he talked about all of that and got the crowd to rally behind him then he got to perform like in canada place was going nuts for him he got that

big moment the big splash through the announcer table that was the best part of the match i thought was when they were on the outside the entire portion on the outside was like fucking it felt like a war that was yeah that was pretty good i thought money in the outside was like fucking, it felt like a war. That was pretty good. I thought Money in the Bank was a good show overall. Some tweets I got afterwards that were like, Bob, that show stunk. I don't know if it was just like the finish put a bad taste in their mouth. I thought the show was very enjoyable. I liked it.

I mean, I didn't not like it. It wasn't a bad show. It was a safe show. Yeah, it was a little safe from where I'm sitting, not getting the Wyatt six. Like, how do you not have them further their storyline by like costing Chad Gable or because now like in Wyatt six brain world for me,

I, they keep teasing that they want to go after jay and it would make sense if they did right because it's like are they baby faces or are they heels well they're neither they're going after people who abandon their families and chad gable did that so they're going after him but technically jay did the same thing like jay abandoned his family so and he has the fireflies and they do seem to come out when he's around uh like i'm pretty sure his debut and this past monday he's like they're coming for chad gable but like jay is always somewhere close by um but i don't think that you can have a Wyatt 6, Jey Uso crossover when Roman's return is so close and you've got war games and you're going to need to have the original bloodline reunite for this. There's a few storylines like that going on right now where i feel like they're buying time like

even to like go further with the money in the bank talk drew wins the money in the bank ladder match which i thought was good i didn't think it was like uh it didn't blow me away some years you're like holy fuck that was insane there's a good match and respect everyone for fucking taking crazy bumps but i thought it was fine drew wins he respect everyone for fucking taking crazy bumps, but I thought it was fine. Drew wins. He cashes in immediately. And that whole match, I was thinking, like, you're buying time. You need to get to Drew and Punk at SummerSlam.

Gunther also already has the title shot. You're not going to take the title off Priest and then put it on Gunther. I think they're going to put the title on Gunther at SummerSlam. But you're not going to do that so quick. And then they fuck up that pinfall spot, which was, I didn't see it in real time. It's the first thing I saw from Money in the Bank, but it's tough.

He gets hit with, I think it was like a Falcon Arrow, one, two, and the ref just has to stop the count because Priest doesn't kick out. Drew cashes in mid-match. CM Punk once again calls him. Priest is in a tough spot, not only because of the botch but just like this whole title run feels like a bit of a placeholder like people said you're going to be a transitional champ and i don't know if i would call him a transitional champ but like that's sort of what he feels like right like yeah i think drew's music was supposed to hit though i

don't think it was like he forgot to kick out i think drew's music was supposed to hit, though. I don't think it was like he forgot to kick out. I think Drew's music was supposed to hit, and the ref was supposed to stop counting. That would make a whole lot of sense. And timing-wise, it would line up. Triple H seemed to imply at the post-presser that Priest was maybe a little fucked up, though. So maybe he was banged up. He didn't hear the one count or something,

and he just thought he was late for it i felt bad because you could tell afterwards he was pissed at himself he knew that botch was fucked and he's been pretty fucking good as champ some people said oh look he's botching again and they posted the clip of him slipping on the ropes at the last pay-per-view the ropes were fucked up for everyone at the last pay-per-view so i think that was on someone else other than him but yeah it's it's weird i saw so many rumors. I'm sure you saw the same about AJ Lee being the one to return at money in the bank.

People were teasing it. Biggie even like teased it on the pre-show and she was there. Now I saw people talking about it. Like it was a shirt thing. And I got myself convinced in my head, like, Oh my God, if AJ is the one to distract or ruin this for drew instead of

punk and that's his little like i'm still here that would have been so fucking good i want it to happen now i want it to be a thing and i'm like maybe them mentioning aj and doing little things like that is like when they were mentioning punk before they were even in contact with them right it's kind of like that seems like too on the nose to be coincidence, right? Maybe they're just trying to get her back for even a small spot like that, or a rumble appearance, something like that.

We've talked about it on from the top rope, but I want her to kind of get her due in this generation. Cause she did as much as anybody for the, the women's revolution. If you want to call it that it began with aj in that moment and she was herself like that's why she was great was because you can see like even now there's some of these like the women wrestlers that are i don't want to say cookie cutter but it's it's a gimmick that isn't them whereas aj was aj and that's why she was awesome like it was very authentic and it came

across that way uh yeah i would love to see her back they're still doing a good job with punk and drew though i know they're basically doing the same thing at every pay-per-view but i feel like it's still hitting at every pay-per-view i'm not tired of seeing punk come out and ruin it for drew and drew freak out his freak out on the post show where he's shoving Adam Pierce and Wade Barrett had to fucking hold him back and shit. I thought that was all really good. And I'm really excited for this match at SummerSlam. This is the kind of SummerSlam where it's not two nights this year. It'll be two nights in the future.

But I look at this and I'm like, oh, this could totally be like a night one SummerSlam main event and people would love it. Yeah, I mean, they have to have. I mean, now that it's so personal, they have to have i mean now that it's so personal they have to have some sort of stipulation it can't just be a regular match not hell in a cell though you saw punk answered that at the last press conference when someone was like i think it should be a hell in a cell first match he's like he's like eating his cookies like first match i'm glad you're not booking wrestling shows yeah yeah but it's got to be something

something that's just like not a standard wrestling match he seemed like i know he didn't announce like i'm cleared i'm ready to go but he seems so active at money in the bank i have to imagine he is cleared right yeah i mean it's been seven months yeah like how long does it take for a torn tricep so i'm gonna google it right now how long does it a torn tricep take to heal uh well that's very uh eight to twelve weeks complete tear no that's a partial tear that's it was a complete tear it could say several there was a clip of him telling cena about it backstage and he said it's healing way faster than the last one which i think he mentioned to someone else as well and in an interview i couldn't tell if it was like a dig at aew because he was like oh yeah like when you have real doctors like

it's amazing how fast injuries like this heal. Right. Look at that. CM Punk talking glowingly about WWE's medical staff. You never thought you would see the day. Full circle. Yeah, this says about six months, so we're basically at seven-ish. It'd be great to have him come back at SummerSlam 2.

It'll be his first singles match back in the WWE, which is crazy, other than the house show match against Dom. But speaking of John Cena, we also got John Cena at Money in the Bank, and he came out to announce his retirement. And, well, he announced his retirement tour. He wasn't like, I'm retired. He kind of did say, like,

I'm here to announce my retirement from the WWE. And I think everyone's like, wait, you're done? You wrestled your last match, but no, he's going on a long retirement tour that will extend through 2025. This year's WrestleMania is going to be his last WrestleMania, but he made it clear. Like it's not my last match.

He has said in the past, he wanted to retire in the UK. He said like the O2 in London was like his favorite audience to perform in front of. So maybe that's still the plan. He wants to work like 30 to 45 shows, which could be someone said 75% of like the Monday night Ross. And he even teased going for the 17th title,

which I'm such a scene of Mark that I'm like, I want that to be a storyline in his last year. I would like him to break Ric Flair's record. Like I don't have an allegiance to that. Like I'm holding onto Ric Flair 16. And in my head, I'm like, to break Ric Flair's record. Like I don't have an allegiance to that. Like I'm holding onto Ric Flair 16. And in my head, I'm like, if you're WWE,

who knows what's going to come out about Ric Flair in the future. Already a lot has come out about him. You probably want Cena at the top of your record books. So I don't know if they'll have them win the WWE title, but I could see him winning the world heavyweight title. And, you know, going through this retirement tour where he puts a ton of new guys over i'm sure but i don't really want to see

that like we saw the match with theory at wrestlemania that was just like i want to see him against orton and punk and kevin owens and aj styles go through the greatest hits of seen as rogues gallery and give us the fucking serious cena promos give us the promos where he's i don't know give us a doctor of thugonomics rap one more time like i want this to be nostalgia filled and i think it will be too i don't know who his his wrestlemania opponent will be like obviously you're such a kevin owens guy that i think kevin owens would give him the best match but but Orton would be the best story. Yeah.

I don't know. I'm pretty sure Cena said it was like his dream match was the hat to WrestleMania and like main event WrestleMania with Randy Orton. I wouldn't be opposed to that. Like, do you think people would, some people would be annoyed? I know so many years that was the, like, are you fucking kidding me? Cena and Orton again, but it's been like over 10 years i think their last rivalry was in 2013 ish yeah it was when uh it was when they unification the big

gold belt yeah yeah yeah and honestly people were shitting on that at the time they put on some good matches they had a hell in a cell match around that time that was very good and people were like you know they weren't even paying attention when it started because they were like we're not watching this again go back it's like cena versus orton hell in a cell 2013 or 14 fantastic stuff and like when you use your brain yeah it's hard for them to have a bad match at this point because both of them are like so used to wrestling each other. They know how to go through the motions. I was there for their first pay-per-view match, actually. SummerSlam 07.

Oh, wow. How fucking great match. I would have been nine. Just turned nine. Yeah. I'm going to graduate in high school, Bob. Yeah, I would love to have another run with Punk.. I mean, that was obviously like, that's, that's my favorite CM punk feud was seen.

And I, I'm not even really that big of a scene, a guy, but it was the best punk work was when he was, Oh yeah. Feuding with Sina. Um, would love to see that one.

And then, yeah, getting a mania match with, with Randy Orton. I mean, if we, you know, it'd be very cool if it was like,

we'd have to get them back from AE but a fatal four-way wrestlemania main event john cena versus cm punk versus randy orton versus edge and it would just be like all of his the play that is yeah and that's like batman going into arkham asylum and all of the prison doors opening at the same time yeah like all right here we go i mean you're not a big cena guy wrestlemania 29 here i not only had a sign with john cena on it that i was there time is now i know you were i had a sign that said our time is now i also had a huge sign that my sister did for me she drew the rocks brahma bowl and then we drew a giant red like ghostbusters no through it and uh people didn't like it in my section cena was getting booed heavily that night i even got a few beer bottle caps thrown at me a couple caps came down

the aisle but i was fucking flaunting those signs cena our time has not been a cena guy my whole life honestly growing up it was sean mich Michaels, Rey Mysterio, John Cena. Those were my guys. And until Money in the Bank 2011, that's when I started to crack a little bit because I was like, oh, fuck, I'm a Cena guy, but I don't think I'm rooting for him tonight. And I remember my cousin Kenny being like, what? He was like, we were Cena guys together.

And he was like, but this guy's going to take the title and leave WWE. I was like, I know, but he's cool it's tough that's that's what i was gonna say i was like you know judging by all your favorites growing up i don't know why we get along they're all in i know yeah and cody like you love everyone that i hate i love the the white meat baby face that's an underdog you know saves the day i like all the satanic supernatural evil people yeah correct yeah but hey that's why we're like kane and fucking xbox over here yeah you know hopefully with a better ending yeah tori that jezebel yeah uh other than that on money in the bank i thought it was worth mentioning i thought the women's money in the bank match might have been better than the men's it was great and they were

taking crazy bumps the fucking michinoku driver off the ladder onto the other ladder is insane chelsea green became a superstar and i think those in the know already knew like she's got it she gets yeah like she's really fucking good but this match opened so many people's eyes to that the bump she took at the end i posted the overhead angle i don't know if you saw but the angle of her going through the tables on tv doesn't do justice to how she had to readjust midair and like for good reason you don't want to see that on tv that's like a very wrestling. She did a good job landing on the tables, but oh my God, she was like at a crooked angle. She still went through him flush.

I likened it to Cody Rhodes at money in the bank, 2013. He didn't win that match, but he left that match a superstar. And everyone in the building was like, oh my God, the spots he did work great. Chelsea green is primed and ready for a title run. I wish she won the match to be honest like tiff i i see it because the fans see it but i personally i don't she's just not chelsea green for me yeah and chelsea's also like put in the time um where it's like tiffany stratton was the right pick but they're trying to like hotshot the new,

uh, they're trying to strike while the iron's hot, which they didn't do in the past. They like, that was what we complained about in the past of like, they're waiting too long with people like Braun, you know, they probably should have put the title on him.

Like they did with Tiffy and the fucking money in the bank. But also the, how do you feel about the men's money in the bank? Just, we're not going to have that be a thing for the next year. There's part of me that's bummed about it. There's part of me that's like, eh, after priests long, you know, Willie, won't he cash in rain?

Maybe it's good that we have a break, a year long break with money in the bank. It's opposite ends of the spectrum because like when you have that long ass, like wait, how many of those have we had where it's like they wait the whole goddamn year and everyone's like making jokes about it's like he is he's still gonna have the briefcase by the time they have the next uh money the bank match but um yeah to go from like waiting a really long time to get the cash in to like i mean we've seen it before people have won and cashed in the same night not not the first time that's happened either uh so i'm not gonna of course kane and

mysterio yeah yep what did he wait like eight seconds eight second matches really quick that was the first money in the bank pay-per-view right i think it was it might have been might have been or something like that yeah yeah yeah i also i don't love the pay-per-view like i did for a few years because i was like this is great we're getting two money in the bank ladder matches raw and smackdown but looking back like i think wrestlemania kicking off wrestlemania with the money in the bank match is such a fucking cool tradition i would almost like them to bring that back then you're kind of honoring the legacy of Chris Jericho. Are you not?

I guess a little bit. Yeah. But even I think back to WrestleMania 31, it wasn't a money in the bank ladder match, but they kicked it off with like that eight person. I see title match where Ambrose is taking crazy power bombs through ladders. And was that the Zack Ryder one? That was 32. and that was also

for the ic and like just kick off wrestlemania the big ladder match clusterfuck and i'm gonna be happy i think the fans are gonna be happy every time that's like you're putting on a punk band to open up for you know another band it's like just get the crowd into it just get the crowd energized and ready for more wrestling yeah i don't know because they did they completely abandoned the andre the giant memorial battle royal by the way they started doing it on like the smackdown before or something yeah yeah i don't know when they came out with that trophy they put like 20 spots on it 20 blank spots and those are not going to get filled up no they sure aren't yeah that was uh it also didn't do anything for anybody like when cesaro wanted anything for anybody it could have done something

for cesaro but they turned him heel and had him destroy the title the next night yeah on raw he came out and he had hayman for a bit and he had the eye patch but it was just like he just became this huge stuff we all wanted to cheer for him when he throws the big show over that that was all-time moment still i'll go back and watch that for the crowd's reaction when he hits the uppercut big show bounces off the ropes the final time when he picks it up and everyone gets on their feet that's like wrestlemania at its best right there and then yeah vince had the idea to turn up healed 24 hours later in front of the same crowd oh bad anything else from money in the bank worth uh worth talking about in your

opinion we get the uh the ic match right yeah i mean like i don't know how you felt about braun breaker not winning um i'm not i've already told you i'm not fine with it i'm not in on braun breaker yet it's not to say that i won't be i'm just not i'm not there yet i was and i like i argued that for him on this show against you and the more time that goes by the the more i back away from that take a little bit i think he still got it but you you need smoke and mirrors to to show that he's still got it, but you, you need smoke and mirrors to, to show that he's got it. Yeah. I don't. Ricochet stuff is funny. It was like the ricochet stuff reminded me of Braun at his peak when he's

flipping fucking ambulances and doing shit like that. Like, but I don't know how much more he has. He's not a good promo. That's tough. He's not a good promo. And I think growing up in the 90s my brain my wrestling brain is conditioned to believe that if you're someone who comes up

and has a long series of 60 second squash matches all that says to me is you can't wrestle like they want like wwe wants to present it as like here's someone that's so dominant that he just beats people in 60 seconds because he's so strong so powerful but the way that i interpret it as this guy can't wrestle and they don't want to overexpose this person do you think bret hart just watches people like this or rusev or oscar when they tried to redo the goldberg streak and he's just disgusted that anyone reminds him of goldberg he to this day i mean i honestly they just had that wcw documentary series come out it's just like this guy wakes up every morning and just wipes his ass with a picture of goldberg every day there was such a good tweet it was from this guy soundwave about the death of wcw doc he's like this is amazing

he's like i'm watching this death of wcw doc and it's a bunch of dudes in their 50s and 60s pointing the finger and saying no it was his fault no it's his fault no it's his fault it's actually russo's fault it's actually Bischoff's fault. And then there's Bret Hart. And he's like, it was all fucking stupid. It was all, all of your faults. You're all the dumbest people that have ever lived. And Goldberg tried to murder me. And he means it.

Oh, he means every word of it. And I love the fact that someone will be like, hey, Bret, what did you eat for breakfast this morning? And he'll be like an eggs Benedict. And by the way, Goldberg doesn't know what he's fucking doing. He'll find any way to sleep. The conversation could not have anything to do with it. And Brett will find a way to fucking throw him under the bus.

He is. He's become a parody of himself, which sucks because I do love Bret Hart. But he has become a parody of himself. He's just it's a little endearing to me though it's like harrison ford is a curmudgeon at this point you ask him about star wars and he's like i don't give a shit kid like that's almost how bret hart is about his wrestling career yeah yeah he's very angry uh speaking of tweets funny tweets i saw a tweet being like wait so triple h announced that when wwe like raw goes to netflix that it's all going

to be uncensored so like is the is samantha irvin gonna announce seth rollins be like seth fucking rollins like like what would be great yeah i mean like if you don't have to say freaking anymore then is that what she's gonna say it'd be cool if we had an uncensored if you could pick a version you know if the kids if you want to show it to the kids they'll still bleep the curses like they do now for final boss rock but like it would be cool if we could pick a final boss rock mode in here and be like fuck mama roads get the fuck out of my ring like i want to hear all that shit fuck fuck your story oh by the way that's another thing i guess worth bringing up i didn't watch the behind the wrestlemania documentary because you my brother

everyone that told me about it they didn't have good things to say about it everyone was kind of like it felt like a waste of time and i saw the clips on twitter that i guess were the clips worth showing talking about i thought it was was cool seeing Cody go through the curtain and hug everyone in Gorilla after WrestleMania. I love the Gorilla-style clips like that. But yeah, weird that it took so long to come out and then seemingly disappointed everybody by being mostly clips we've already seen.

Hey, shut the fuck up! Yeah, I mean, for anyone that hasn't seen it, Shut the fuck up. Yeah. I mean, for anyone that hasn't seen it, I don't even feel bad about spoiling it because yeah, it is. So my expectations for it were, we're going to see a lot of behind the scenes stuff from post WrestleMania,

like the night of WrestleMania and post WrestleMania. It's a one hour YouTube video where the first 48 minutes is just like a recap of the events leading up to WrestleMania. Like there's a lot of just like stuff that was already public. And it's a recap. The behind the scenes stuff is like, Cody had a dinner before WrestleMania was like, thanks everyone for coming. Don't do the voice.

That's not what he sounds like. I really hope. That's not what he sounds like. Thanks mom for being here. I don't know why he didn't invite me to that dinner, but that's not what he sounds like. Because he's a bad guy. He's a bad guy, Bob.

Yes, he is. Not a bad guy. Not a bad guy. Good guy. But like, if you just watch it as a neutral wrestling fan you will see people like the rock roman jay like all these people being like we just want to do what's best for the fans and then cody is like well i really hope i. And I know this is really all I have to finish my story. This is slander.

This is libel. This is defamation of character. I have to finish my story. I have to finish my story. And I hope it's this year because it wasn't last year that they said I could finish my story. That's not the takeaways people had about that documentary. I really hope I finish my story. He's the kid in the group project who's taken all the credit for everyone

else's work. He did the last minute. And he's like, those memes are fun. I called triple H and I told them, you know, I don't even want one fan disappointed at WrestleMania. So let's do what the rock is saying is best.

And he's taken it. The memes are very funny. He's like, and I told triple H to go ask out Stephanie McMahon. And people are like doing that for all history that's when i told hulk hogan you gotta scoop andre there are rumors that some of it was reshot which the rumors are almost uh i i almost hope they're true because it makes for a more interesting story but people are saying that it took so long

for it to come out because they wanted to like reshoot scenes of the rock being like and i told them to do that because the original narrative was different in some way but i don't know that's probably bullshit if i'm being honest it's probably just twitter like wanting that to be the narrative but i bought into it the same way you like you're like oh it'd be kind of interesting if holly would actually fake the moon landing well they did oh are you a moon lander one of those truthers they're making a movie about it now that i heard is pretty good yeah i did see the trailer for that i i i think it's um there's reason to ask questions yeah shout out uh our guy liam crowley who uh was at the post presser he he was doing all this stuff for that

movie. He interviewed, Oh yeah. He interviewed Scarlett Johansson, Channing Tatum. Good guy. A good, good follow on Twitter and Instagram. Liam Crowley, not the one that works at Barstool. There's it's confusing if you work at Barstool and know both of them, but I DM that Liam Crowley. Cause when he, he asked the question at the John Cena press conference after money in the bank. And I was like, fuck yeah, dude, way to get in there.

And he was like, I don't know what you're talking about. And I was like, ah, wrong. Liam Crowley. My bad. It's fucked.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. All right. That was, that was all I got from, uh,

this episode from the top rope. I assume we'll definitely be back after summer slam. I think there's going to be enough from summer slam itself where we'll have to do an episode, an emergency episode, hopefully. Um, and emergency episode, hopefully. And hopefully Roman's back. It'd be nice if he returned at SummerSlam.

It'd be cool. It's about time because WWE has been super boring as Cody. Cody's been the worst champ of all time. He doesn't have one memorable moment. You don't believe the words coming out of your mouth right now because you know this right now bob uh my wrestling fan friend group chat has died since cody became champion like it used to be every day every night we're talking about something probably because they're like oh it's not even fun to talk to jared about this anymore because he's being such a mope oh they all they probably started another group chat without you in it. No, they all hate Cody. I'm telling you.

They're all just like, man. They got a different group chat. It is noticeable how much less we all care now that Cody's champion. I can't wait for Roman. WWE has never been better. It's on fire. You know what's going to be hilarious, Bob?

Roman's probably going squash cody no like i feel like that's how he gets the title back is like a that's he probably can't even work his way back up to a title shot if we're being honest i don't think he'll ever have a title shot again see now like now you're just saying nonsense now i'm just well listen you started throwing arrows at me i gotta start shooting some back i would never do that i i mean i didn't fabricate anything that i just said i mean wwe backwards the the wyatt six has saved uh the wyatt six has been able to distract the audience from how boring cody's title run has been so far that's an uninspired defamation incorrect incorrect but after summer slam maybe we'll have a different take on the matter run has been so far. That's an uninspired defamation. Incorrect. Incorrect. But after

SummerSlam, maybe we'll have a different take on the matter. Yeah. Thank you everyone for tuning in. Make sure you like the video wherever you're watching it or subscribe. We'll be back after SummerSlam. So make sure you come back and we'll see you next time.