My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 37 - KANE AKA MAYOR GLENN JACOBS/THE MANDALORIAN CHAPTER 4 DISCUSSION WITH CLEM!

Episode Date: December 2, 2019

This week, Robbie and Carrabis are joined by Jared's favorite wrestler of all time: KANE! Kane, aka Mayor Glenn Jacobs, stopped by to discuss his new autobiography entitled, “MAYOR KANE: My Life in Wrestling and in Politics”, and discussed his entire career, from his debut to going corporate, all through photographs of his attires. Before that, though, Clem kicks things off talking all things Chapter 4 of ‘The Mandalorian' with Robbie, from Baby Yo's increasing cuteness to Gina Carano's debut as Cara Dune, to whether or not Mando has sex with the helmet on. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Once again, to kick things off with me and talk a little Mandalorian, pretty much my co-host at this point, we've got Clem in the house. Clem, how are you? Doing great. Doing as good as Baby Yo is these days. You're snowed in a little bit. You have a good Thanksgiving. It's been a thanksgiving break hopefully all the listeners had a good thanksgiving as well i did i did um i've reached the age now where i feel just awful from like thanksgiving afternoon on in terms of just food and there's like i don't have a choice i just have to just you have to go hard there's like three days a year you have to go hard and thanksgiving is one of them and it's just been a slow descent into like oh this is how i gained all my holiday weight this is like the the the holiday. Halloween is the intro to it. This is like where we start ramping up and then Christmas

is just a slow move to diet starts. No, January 1st. Halloween is a gateway drug, it seems. My Thanksgiving was pretty chaotic, to be honest with you, because just as I sat down to eat dinner, Conor McGregor booked his next fight. We're getting Conor McGregor versus Donald Cerrone January 18th at UFC 246. Obviously, in the lead-up to that fight, the content of this podcast will probably be ramped up a lot more towards MMA. We'll hopefully get more interviews,

hopefully interview some people in Conor's camp and all that. But I tweeted this, and I'm standing by it. I love Conor. You know, he's my guy. But I've been waiting 40 years for the rise of skywalker and i know i'm only 21 but i've been waiting 40 years for this so until i see the rise of skywalker i just can't really be fully into fight camp mode i mean i i just once we get past the rise of skywalker i'll be you know full-fledged executive director of support again well so that's that's my question is like does does Cowboy have like Cowboy fans

like that are the Khabib version? Like you almost like died. I did, yeah. Like, and people that are listening to this podcast, because this podcast didn't exist back when we did that over, I guess almost two years ago now. I really did get some pretty legitimate death threats

that we were pretty worried about. The UFC was personally, like the UFC as a company were worried about these death threats. I was given UFC security. I sat with Conor security for the fight. It was very serious. Cowboy, I think it's going to be the complete opposite. Cowboy fans are the nicest people on earth. Cowboy fans have a sense of humor.

Cowboy fans understand Barstool. I mean, Cowboy fans are probably Barstool fans. There's probably more Cowboy fans that are Barstool fans than there are Connor fans that are Barstool fans at this point. They are the nicest people in the world. Cowboy's the nicest person in the world. I'm happy that he gets to make this, you know, massive McGregor payday before he gets out of the sport. I'm a fan of both guys. So this is like refreshing for me in the sense that there's no real hostility there. It's more like, yeah, let's get in the octagon and have a fucking awesome fight. That's awesome.

I have a question, too, about that. So I was wondering, is this like Hogan versus Warrior in terms of just two guys that have huge fan bases that are fighting each other that it's going to suck for McGregor fans rooting against Cowboy? I'm a McGregor guy because you're my guy, first of all, and I've always liked McGregor. I didn't even know about Cowboy until a couple fights ago. But I'm even McGregor guy because you're my guy, first of all, and I've always liked McGregor. I didn't even know about Cowboy until a couple of fights ago.

But I'm like, I'm even kind of torn. I'm like, damn, like, I don't want to see either of these guys lose here. So I don't know how big it is. It is a little bit like that. But I will say at this point, Conor's so polarizing that he has so many haters. So I think all the Cowboy fans are like, knock this motherfucker the fuck out. And I think all Conor fans are like, I think there's a section of Conor fans that are like, knock him the fuck out. And I think most of us fans are sort of like, I think there's a section of Conor fans that are like, knock him the fuck out.

And I think most of us are kind of just like, eh, we're happy for him. He gets to make the, you know, quote unquote, red panty night as McGregor calls it. Let's hope you don't do too much damage. Like knock him out in the first, don't hit any extra ground and pound after that. We're just trying to get back on track with this one. This one's the back on track fight.

After this, you go for the titles or whatever. I'm really excited for it. That's January 18th. As I said, the podcast content will definitely ramp up before then. But we're going to get pretty much right into The Mandalorian this week because we've got a pretty lengthy interview, a from-the-top-rope interview on this episode. Myself and Jared Karabas sat down with his favorite wrestler of all time.

This is years in the making. The Mayor, Kane. We had Glenn Jacobs in studio. He's got a new book out. And it was insane. We basically, you'll hear it in the interview, but we printed out pictures of every single attire that Kane ever wore. And we handed them to him. And we said, let's just go through your entire career based on what gear you were wearing at the time. And we did that for like 40 minutes. He was sharing like fun stories, fun Attitude Era stories, all that. So we're going to get pretty much right into The Mandalorian.

Before we do, I want to remind you to subscribe to this show if you haven't already. Looking at the numbers, the people that listen, the people that are subscribed, all that kind of stuff. There's so many people that listen that aren't subscribed. So make sure you're subscribed if you aren't already. Do the little rating and review. This is one of the smaller podcasts at Barstool. It's the nerdy niche podcast at Barstool. So give us that extra nerd support like we do at Comic-Cons and Star Wars Celebration and all that.

I would love to see cosplay. Imagine we go to a Comic-Con one day and we see, like, Did you see someone say we should be the Mandalorian and Baby Yo? I did see that, which would be perfect. I don't know who would be who. I'm dibsing you. I'm dibsing you. You got Baby Yo?

All right, fine. I got the Mandalorian. I'm going to have some sick-ass armor. Someone could probably 3D print that. By the way, I don't want to tease anything. We are very far out. It's December 1st. I've been in contact with San Diego Comic-Con this year.

And it looks like if we can arrange things to happen, we will get credentialed. We're not going to just get ignored. All right, we're making progress. We get some subscriptions. There's been some contact with San Diego Comic-Con. I think it is because of the podcast, because the listeners tweeting them like, yo, let them into Comic-Con. They're like, all right, fair. We'll let you into Comic-Con.

So as long as we get that trip sponsored in July and as long as it works for you and me schedule-wise, we'll be there. So that's what we say. Hey, we have this many subscriptions. We have to hit a number of subscriptions so we can send it to the people and all the fucking bigwigs at Comic-Con can say, all right,

we're letting Robbie and Clem go out there to fucking gallivant with the fucking crazies. You know what my dream is, Clem? My dream is for this podcast to grow to a level where you and I are up there hosting a panel at comic-con one day I don't even give a fuck who the panel's for it could be the the trashiest show on CW or whatever I want to be up there just being like so tell me what it's like to do whatever at comic-con I think our panel as fucked about the sounds it's going to be like

about like one bite or something like how many people I know like barstool because they saw like our mics and like barstool barstool they didn't know who the fuck robbie and clem were from a hole in the wall it was like 12 year old girls were like oh my god barstool's here barstool's here i love their instagram can i or the snapchat so many people brought up the snapchat too the snapchat exactly and i was telling everyone that our camera guy logan was frankie and they're like hey frankie a panel a panel at comic con that is our professional bulls now for the yeah yeah And they're like, hey, Frankie, what's up? It was wild. A panel. A panel at Comic-Con. That is our professional bulls now.

Yeah, that's the goal we set. Me and Clem on stage hosting a panel at Comic-Con. I don't even care if it's San Diego Comic-Con, New York Comic-Con, some Asbury Park Comic-Con. I don't care what kind of Comic-Con it is. Just we want to host a panel. So let's get into The Mandalorian. If you haven't watched Chapter 4 yet and you want to just get into the Kane interview, look at the timestamp in the description. You could skip right over our Mandalorian talk. We'll give you a second to do so. All right, talking The Mandalorian, Chapter 4. Before we go through the plot like we do every week, Clem, what were the overall

thoughts? What were your thoughts on Chapter 4 of The Mandalorian? We finally got Cara Dune, Baby Yo, we got a ton of him. It the longest episode yet directed by bryce dallas howard first ever father daughter uh relationship there ron howard did solo she did this so kind of cool a lot of a lot of cool tidbits about this one what you think every time i do the podcast with you robbie i learned something new like i didn't i didn't know that one um again i'm a fan i i i like how we've changed it up it's not just going to be the same linear story from the first three or whatever obviously baby yo still there and he's protecting him but now we're going to something completely different it's a little bit like a one-off it's not even

really a one-off but it's just expanding the universe it's a new planet we have species this is this is growth we're growing we're growing the star wars universe after like 800 years of the same like six planets and 12 families we finally are growing and I was very very happy even like the the raiders or whatever you want to call them they were new the people they were attacking were new we went back to the ATS which we'll get to which was kind of like a you know you're gonna have some remnants from the past to give you that warm feeling I was I was a fan and I didn't know I don't I go in blind for the most part of these I don't know if we knew Gina Carano was gonna to be in it, but I like she was in it.

I'm happy we got her introduced to the family now. Yeah, I thought she was awesome. Speaking of that, oh, I loved it. I mean, every episode of this, like you said, is so different. They're so distinctly different, not only from a storytelling standpoint, but from a look standpoint, going planet to planet is very cool. I was under the impression when we saw trailers for this show that the majority of it would take place

on one planet, like that main planet we've sort of been on. So the fact that we see this planet, Sordon, which looked entirely different than every other Star Wars planet, I guess it had like Endor vibes just because it was a forest, but not really. I didn't think it was like spot on, shot for shot Endor or whatever.

We open on this planet and like you said, there's these, I guess, pirates, these raiders raiding a village that were getting shrimp basically. I thought all that was even cool. Like when we saw the droid catching all the shrimp out of the little, I don't even know what you call this, quarries that they've dug for themselves. Yes. That was all cool. And then this village gets raided by pirates. It very dramatic very tense very hold your breath there's a mother and a daughter hiding under like the lid to a laundry basket in the water and they take all the krill i think honestly the issue with this village right away and i i i feel like i say this

every week but if they would have had simply safe onSafe on Sorgon, I don't understand how the pirates would have raided their whole village. It looked like it was the circular thing. They could have come from the forest. The craziest part about this is only one in five homes on Sorgon have home security. I mean, you're asking for it at that point. Yeah, even if you don't have much, it's still the world to you. As we could tell, they were begging Mando. They were going to suck his dick to get him out there to save them. You don't need to suck any dicks for SimpliSafe. You just need to put in a promo code.

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simplisafe.com slash mom. We start on this village, though they take everything out of the village, all the krill, they got it, and then we cut to the Mandalorian and Baby Yoda and the Razor Crest and already this is a massive meme. I feel like Baby Yoda can't take two steps without becoming the meme of the week and I absolutely

love it. Like he's brought the entire world together seemingly, but he's flicking switches on and off and now it's like you know, I think Jeff D'Lo made the one of him flicking on all I want for Christmas is is you now that we're in december and the mandalorian turning it off it's just amazing to see the world get brought together because of baby yo it's it's almost internet proof twitter the the i say the tagline for twitter.com is everything you love actually stinks because that's basically all you learn on twitter is everything you ever liked is

like everyone hates it but we won't even go in the beatles takes that go on twitter oh i know i know it's the most disrespectful don't even don't even bring it up clem he yoda is the baby yo is the great unifier right now and it's gonna come probably within an episode or two where people are gonna just start lashing out at all our star wars nerds but that fucker is so goddamn cute he's he's eating more he's cooing he's i know the cooing said he cooed it's like the one good part of being a dad for the first year of the kid's life is when they coo he's fucking hunting he's a yeah he's a fucking basically mando jr he's walking on his own next to mando yeah oh he's just little waddles going he's that little burlap i look at the burlap sack is just his like uniform he's just rocking it mando's mando you have like 8 000

fucking credits get a pair of baby clothes baby no do me a favor here he looks like he's wearing like a parka i've seen people compare him to the ikea monkey you know that monkey that was just standing outside ikea with the jacket on. He's got like that jacket. He's just the best. And those eyes get like bigger and wider every single episode. So he's and now he's just a human meme. Anything he does, he just it's instant meme. I know.

It's amazing. I saw like one of the major newspapers in the country put together some report of his social media engagement as opposed to like all of the candidates running for president this year. And then they were like astronaut. It was like 55 percent more than all of them put together or something it was very funny but we get to sorgon baby yo south park waddles his way to this bar along with uh the mandalorian where we get a waitress which we don't see often in star wars we saw in episode two the dexter jester diner waitress but he takes an order baby gets some kind of soup and we see Gina Carano Cowardoon in the back of the bar Mandalorian starts kind of asking

about her doesn't know what her deal is she's got a rebel insignia tattooed like a teardrop so he could tell she's you know part of the part of the rebellion or part of the war in some way and she's gone he flicks the bartender coin and and is like, watch after the kid, which, again, I just don't think he's taking this seriously enough.

Like, the lengths at which he's going to protect Baby Yo in some cases are admirable. And in other cases, it's like, bro, what the fuck? This bartender, this waitress is just going to watch your kid? By the way, she didn't do a good job. She did not watch Baby Yo because he just waddled out of the bar. Gina Carano and the Mandalorian get into a huge fight outside. Fist fight.

She's punching him in the head. Gina Carano, you're an experienced MMA superstar. Fight IQ on that fight was about a zero if you're trying to punch that guy in the Beskar helmet. She winds up pretty much getting the better of him, though, and they do the classic both point their guns to each other at the same time, and they look, and Baby Yo is just slurping on his soup or whatever he was drinking. Such an adorable moment. They go, and we find out that she was a shock trooper.

She defected, and she said basically that her job in the Rebellion, once the war was over, shifted so much that it wasn't what she signed up for. And she was like, I'm done. I'm getting an early retirement. She thought the Mandalorian had a fob on her, thought he was coming to kill her. He was not. What did you think of Gina Carano's introduction? I like that.

I don't know what I was expecting with the Gina Carano character. I should have figured she was going to be like a badass brawler kind of type. I mean, it kind of just fits her resume I guess. I didn't see her being part of the rebellion. I kind of like how she's like rebellious. You're like, all right, good guy. But she has a little edge to her like I was like, fuck those guys. Has a shot trooper background.

So you don't know what you're getting for her. I think we talked – you talked about it last episode. We're going to have the squad and we're going to have – I have spoken guy. This is how I call them. You know their names, their backgrounds, their home planets. I don't even know that guy's name. I've been calling him Nick Nolte. Nick Nolte, yeah.

Hopefully the battle drink comes back. And now, Karana, like, are we – what's this – are we calling, like, Mando's mob squad or something like that? Like, we need a hashtag for this, like, fucking super team we're building here. Yeah. I feel like she's going to be the brawler, which I appreciate because, again team we're building here because i feel like she's gonna be the brawler which i appreciate because again we're building out the star wars universe mandalorian is so important because the first big disney plus show in general let alone the first big star wars show in general and this show has to like kind of just set the footing and it's kind of nice to have someone who's like you're not your typical, you know, your Chewbacca.

You know, I mean, Chewbacca was always the muscle in these movies, right? He's been the guy for so long. It's nice to have someone a little different, and kind of going back to, like we said, an endgame, as a dad now, like Sienna just doesn't have to go for Rey or Leia. Like now she has Gina Carano as like one of her chicks, and it's kind of cool to see that. So I dug it. I'm a big – I have to say Gina Carano too though. She's a bad motherfucker, man. I was watching some of her chicks and it's kind of cool to see that so i i i dug it i'm a big i have to say gina carano too though she's a bad motherfucker man i was watching some of her fights like she oh yeah dude without her women's mma is not what it is right now like like she was the pioneer of

women's mma more than anyone else other than ronda rousey of course who brought it to the mainstream but without gina carano you say would there be a Ronda Rousey? We don't really know that. I was all in on Cara Dune from the second she appeared, pretty much. I love her backstory. The fact that she was, you know, the shock trooper, which basically, I think Jeff D'Lo called it the Navy SEAL of the Star Wars universe. Makes sense. And the fact that she's kind of on the run.

She's got the tattoos. She's, like you said, a brawler. She's different. And the fact that another Ronda Rousey comparison comparison which i don't want to do a ton she's a really good actress in the terms that like i didn't feel like i was watching an mma fighter try to act i felt like i was watching an actress act which i didn't have in any of ronda rousey's movies so i was like there was part of me that was still holding my breath like oh i really hope gina carano can act because the only other thing i'd seen her in was Deadpool where she didn't really have a big role.

I couldn't tell. But I thought she was really good in this. She tells the Mandalorian the planet's basically not big enough for the two of them because she thinks people are after her. He knows people are after him, and they don't want to cause a bunch of noise on this planet. planet as he's about to leave like we mentioned before he gets offered money by these villagers to protect them to be like hey can you come in as a mercenary and protect us from these dog pirates which you said they were new someone said that you could see them on the sail barge in return of the jedi jabba sail barge some of these dog-faced people are on the top of it and i know for a fact that billy d williams son played one of the people on the top of the. And I know for a fact that Billy Dee Williams' son played one of the people on the top of the sail barge. I think he might have played someone from this species. Oh, a nice little fun

fact. Yeah, kind of a bizarre fun fact there. But as he's about to leave and he turns him down, he's like, no, I don't want any part of this. I'm getting off this planet. They mentioned that they're in the middle of nowhere. And he's kind of like, oh, wait, I kind of need to be in the middle of nowhere right now. That's a good idea. He goes, he picks up Gina Carano on the way, and he's like, come on, we're going to go try to save this village, I guess. They'll offer us lodging. They get there. The kids immediately love Baby Yoda.

How could you not? That's like, I'm sure they've never seen one of his species before. He's the cutest thing in the world. And he kind of gets a little, I mean mean there's a little sexual tension in the room immediately with this chick omera who was the girl from the beginning who was saving her daughter she walks in and she immediately starts being like hey when you take that helmet off hey like you want me to give you some dinner like there was i mean you could cut the tension with a knife she was trying to get amanda's bones like. What are those bones, man? Like, no, you know, like, yeah, I think it takes like five face-to-face meetings and

like your first night, like drinking the first time everyone tipsy. Like, so when are you taking the mask off? No, she's like, she's like opening. Hi, nice to meet you. I'm Omer or whatever. Like, what are you taking your mask off? What are you doing? And Mando, that's not how you get Mando's pants.

You got to massage the man to get into those pants. he was not ready he's drunk they both have kids which is cute they're both kind of in their own way like single parents in a weird way which i understood but i just thought it was kind of weird that she's just going i mean don't get me wrong when mando walks in the room i guarantee he commands that room and i guarantee there are multiple women who are like i want a piece of that mand. I want him to have a bounty on me. They don't even care what's under the helmet. I mean, this is the thing about Mando, too. He's a badass motherfucker, baddest dude in the galaxy as far as we know.

However, he was ready just to leave because Cara Dune said she's hit the planet. I respect him for that. It kind of makes me feel like Cara Dune's extra badass where Mando's just ready to fucking – he thinks he has the perfect spot. He's doing like the whole Cloud City thing. Like, didn't you, did you feel get that Cloud City vibe to it where he's like, oh, look at this place. There's like no people around.

And I kind of got the Han Solo vibe where he's like Lando, you know, Lando system, that whole thing. Yeah. I kind of got that vibe on the planet and the fact that he would find such a good planet and then be like, nope, this planet literally isn't big enough for the two of us

and he's ready to take off. Guy has a heart of gold and probably a dick of gold, too, for all I know. Yeah, no, I think so, too. And that dick of gold has to be surrounded by Tommy John underwear, right? I mean, it would only make sense. Because if you somehow missed out on this Tommy John Amazing Cyber Monday sale, guess what? You're in luck because Tommy John is extending their cyber sale one more day. Right now, you can still score 25% off site-wide plus free shipping

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He obviously takes the helmet off to go to sleep, which he said later. And he takes it off to sleep, eat, whatever. He took it off in front of a window, which was crazy to me. But I guess the kids were focused on Baby Yoda. Ladies, now is your chance to kiss visible panty lines goodbye. That's for you, O'Mara, or even upgrade to the most comfortable bra on the planet. And guys, you have to experience this horizontal quick-flying that's putting an end to fly fishing for good. So give the gift of mind-bending comfort this holiday season with Tommy John. Go to TommyJohn.com and use the code Robbie, R-O-B-B-I-E, right now

to score 25% off their entire site, plus free shipping. That's code Robbie, R-O-B-B-I-E, at TommyJohn.com. So when Mera tries to get in his pants right away, he reveals that he hasn't taken the helmet off in front of anyone in about, I don't know, 20 years, since he was a little older than the kids that were playing with Baby Yoda, 20, 30 years, you would have to imagine. And he mentioned that if you took it off, you could never put it back on. I think he might have said that later in the episode. But I got so many questions about this over the week, because people said, what about

Jango? What about Bobo? What about Sabine Wren from Rebels. What about this Mandalorian? What about that Mandalorian? I think the overall answer is every Mandalorian treats Mandalorian culture like people treat religion. Some take it way more seriously than others. Jango and Boba Fett were not Mandalorians. That's a common misconception. They just wore the armor of Mandalorians and they followed some of the lessons of Mandalorians,

but they were not Mandalorians. Sabine Wren, she was from a completely different era, a different time, maybe before the siege of Mandalore. I'm not really sure timeline wise. I just think it's everyone takes it as seriously as they want to take it, especially with how seriously their tribe takes it. I think the Mandalorian from this show, his tribe takes it very seriously. So that's why he takes it seriously. That's the perfect way to put it. Some people celebrate Christmas. Some people go to church. Some people are knocking on doors trying to sell you Bibles.

Like there's all different kind of people. Some people won't have sex until they're married. Some people will bang no matter what, yet they'll still go to church. There's a bunch of different ways to do it. I like the way you said that there. I didn't know what the deal was with Boba and Jango either. So it's interesting to see that's how they were. But you know what? They're just in it for the money, those guys.

I get a snow day like tomorrow. You got a snow day? Look at that. Breaking news on my mom's snow day tomorrow. Oh, you hear the excitement in that voice? That was adorable. That was fucking adorable. Oh, you have headphones on? I don't want your daughter to hear me curse.

Alright, good, good, good. That would be a bad example for Uncle Rob to sit there. Oh my god, that was adorable. That, you have headphones on? I don't want your daughter to hear my curse. All right, good, good, good, good. That would be a bad example for Uncle Rob to sit there. Oh, my God, that was adorable. That was the most adorable moment in the history of this podcast. I don't even know how I could continue on here. We've had a couple of pretty adorable moments, you and I. True, true. I mean, even just mentioning the word Baby Yoda is a pretty adorable thing because it puts that image in the listeners' minds, and they're like, aw.

So as they are – I guess as they're prepping the village to defend against the pirates again, they see the footprint of an AT-ST, which is a cool Jurassic Park-style way of introducing this thing in the T-Rex way. And they're like, all right, shit. We're going to have to – we don't know how they got this AT-D, but we're going to have to teach them how to fight against it. They ask all the villagers who knows how to shoot here. The only one that did was O'Mara that had to, you know, make the Mandalorian's pulse rifle pulsate a bit in his pants and his Tommy John underwear. Right out of the Tommy John's. Yes. And she was firing off like the pans, pots and pans, whatever they were shooting. Everyone else was clueless.

Nobody else in the village knew what to do. They were poking with sticks. It was sort of an Endor Ewoki-type way of going against these villagers, but it worked. They set a trap for the AT-ST to step into, and they had an awesome, they stormed the base, they threw the grenade. I don't know what those grenades are, the sticky ones.

They kind of remind me of what Bruce Wayne uses in The Dark Knight, that the Mandalorian's putting on everything, and then they kind of beep until they blow up. Those are dope. They had a sweet fight in that base. Gina Carano, it's cool that you could tell. Gina Carano actually knows how to fight, and that comes through. It's not like her using a stunt double or her doing moves that you're like,

what in the world is that? She's actually doing judo and MMA moves against these dog pirates in the Star Wars universe, which is fucking dope as an MMA fan. I'm geeking out at all this stuff. Dog Pirates is an awesome name, by the way. They're not the people we have, but just the word Dog Pirates, I think that's fucking awesome. I have to say this, too. They did a better job, like, when they taught the villagers how to fight in that little montage.

I feel like that was a better teaching the idiots how to fight than like Game of Thrones did before the Battle of Winterfell. Yeah. They did that actually well, I thought. I felt like I was like, all right, these guys aren't just going to get their doors blown off when these dog pirates went and fucking raided them. And it was definitely like – that's another thing. I feel like this show, they say it could be a little slow. But I think like they said, it's also a strength because it yeah you feel like there's a little bit of depth to every episode definitely and that's i guess probably credit to bryce dallas howard for the way that that whole montage was edited i felt the same way i was like all right they put up the barricade like it seemed

like they at least got prepped and we know that some time went by in this episode because at the end gina carano says you know it's been a few weeks since we raised hell here. People are going to start catching on. It's too quiet, you know, for that much noise. So who knows how much time passed there. And we finally get to see the AT-ST that the episode has sort of been building up to. It has red glowing eyes, which we've never seen before. Just a very, very cool choice for this nighttime battle.

And especially, I don't know if you noticed, but when it came through the trees, it was like almost as tall as all the trees. What a brilliant choice to not make those the redwood trees that we're used to. And then being a little bit smaller, it looked so menacing. And it's another thing where I said this

in our Mandalorian Day of video recaps with Jeff D'Lo and Ken Jack, but it reminded me that this small scale really does work in the Star Wars universe. You don't need the Death Star blowing up a planet, because in the last episode, the most terrifying thing I saw was one super battle droid. They had one super battle droid trying to attack the Mandalorian, and I was like, god damn, that thing looks scary. In this episode, it was one AT-ST. And the whole time, I was terrified of it. They were running away from it.

You know, it's toppling down trees. They're trying to get it into the trap. When it stops right before it steps into the trap, that's such an oh fuck moment. Like, oh, we were just about to get him and then he didn't. And then he shines the light on them. The whole way tension was handled in this episode and really in the whole series itself but this episode in particular i thought was next level agreed agreed um i i think that putting the the red lights like you said definitely made it menacing and it kind of gave you a chill

where you've seen these things just a lot of times the empire like the imperial equipment is always just obviously getting blown up you know by underdogs whether it's the ewoks or on hoth hoth when they're taken down the atats all that kind of stuff but when it'sdogs, whether it's the Ewoks or on Hoth, Hoth when they're taking down the AT-ATs, all that kind of stuff. But when it's, when you realize it's, there's not a huge plan or there's like heavy artillery going up against it, those things are terrible. And it reminded me of, I think, Shadows of the Empire is when you fight an AT-ST by yourself.

And it's like, holy shit, that's right. This thing is armored as fuck and it can just take out people. There's a reason why these things are so terrifying. And you kind of like, they did a good job of, like you said, that – I couldn't even think of the way to put it. But the way you said it was like it doesn't always have to be the Death Star versus everyone else. It could be a small one-person just basically killing machine and it still does the job. Kind of like in Saving Private Ryan with like one tank. Yes.

It could be as terrifying as an entire battalion or whatever you want to call it because it is like this crazy thing where it's like a small group of people have no chance against that in usual odds. A thousand percent. I'm glad you mentioned Shadows of the Empire. Jeff D. Lowe and I were actually talking about Shadows of the Empire today. He sent me this video that I'll send to you. You could check it out if you're listening. Mr. Sunday Movies did a full breakdown of the influence and impact of Shadows of the Empire on Star Wars fandom and fan culture. And it is awesome.

You'll eat it up. You'll love it. So eventually Gina Carano devises this plan where she jumps into the hole that they were trying to get the AT-ST to walk into. She starts shooting it with Mando's gun. It works. It steps in. The village gets a huge victory. A few weeks pass, as I said, and the Mandalorian decides he's got to leave, but he's going to leave Baby Yoda there because Baby Yoda was having a good time with the kids.

He was, as they said, finally getting to be a kid even though he's 50 years old. He's basically pulling fucking – like you know everyone has like a bard trick they do. His fuck is like I'm going to go eat a frog. Yes. He just eats frogs now. he's a frog eater but maybe he's not gonna do it anymore because the kids kind of made him feel bad about it they all said ew as he did he made him spit the frog out i felt so bad i felt like like it was like my kid being bullied in school i want to go into the school and be like where are these kids parents these yeah now you're frog boy for the

rest of your life you people don't forget you know it's one of those things it's i baby you're frog boy for the rest of your life. People don't forget. It's one of those things. Potato, baby, you're on time for me, man. So as he's telling Gina Carano this plan and actually as he's telling O'Mara this plan where he's saying the kid loves it here but I have to leave. And she goes to fucking take his helmet off, which was the wildest move ever. I don't know if they've been fucking in this time. They didn't really tell us. Clearly there's a romantic connection. Yeah, I think he does.

I honestly, I don't think he's, I don't think he's a virgin. I think that would be crazy. And he said the last time he took the helmet off was when he was a kid. So yeah, I think even if he takes the rest of his clothing off, I think he's fucking with that helmet on.

I'm not going to be able to see anything else. Now the rest of the time I'm watching Mandalorian, every time he's on screen, I was like, what does he look like when he's fucking? Does he leave the other armor on? It's like leaving your socks on but in a much different way. It's like it's a lot more aggressive than that. But at the same point, it's his religion basically. I think he probably fucks with the helmet on and doesn't sleep in the same bed as whoever he fucked because I think he probably takes the helmet off to sleep.

I think he fucks with the helmet on. He's like right that was that was nice i'll see you tomorrow and he leaves takes the helmet off so she wants to take it off pretty much in front of everybody which i likened to walking up to someone in the middle of a bar and just like unzipping their pants getting down on your knees like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa even if that were the case not here not now trent i watched it with trent and was like, I felt like that was her going up to him and proposing. Cause if she takes that thing off, guess what? Never again. That's like the old forbidden love Jedi thing with Anakin Skywalker. Yeah. So I thought you were going to say Trent once that someone pulled a zipper off in the middle of the bar. No, no, I don't think so. Trent is a lovable guy, but I mean, geez, I don't think so. So as this is all going on, we see a bounty hunter in the forest with a sniper rifle.

He's got his crosshairs on the Mandalorian, and then he shifts them, zooms in a bit more, and they're dead center on Baby Yoda's forehead. I shit myself as soon as this happened. And I knew it was very unlikely for Baby Yoda to get shot in the face in Episode 4 of The Mandalorian. But goddammit, in that moment, as a famous internet icon once said, it was still real to me, dammit. It just was.

The shot goes off, birds fly out of the forest. He's like, oh my god, where are the kids? And Cara Dune was the one that shot him from behind. A classic, like, you know, what do they call that? Like a snatch and grab? Like they made you think one thing, they pulled it away from you and they got the other? Thank God. Thank God Baby Yoda

did not get shot in episode four. That would have been bad. I love Baby Yoda on my screen. I want to have him on my screen at all times whether it's my computer screen, my phone screen, when I'm watching The Mandalorian on TV. I always want Baby Yoda. I don't ever want to see Baby Yo in a scope ever again. No. I will cancel my free subscription with you immediately.

I will never watch any. Do not put Baby Yo in a scope ever. Hashtag do not put Baby Yo in a scope ever again, you mouse motherfucker. Do you understand? End of hashtag. It is. It's like, listen, you got away with it once.

No harm, no foul. But in the future, that can't happen. You just can't do that to us because we will retaliate. So that was the end of the episode. Mandalorian decides, you know what? Obviously if the bounties are still after Baby-O, they know he's here. I have to take him with me.

He went off in the spaceship. He left the planet. And now we will see what the second half of the season has to hold. This is officially the halfway point in season one. There's going to be eight episodes. We've gotten a total of about two hours and 28 minutes worth of Mandalorian content now, which is basically a movie. Overall, I said, given that, I feel confident in saying this is one of my favorite pieces of Star Wars content ever. And even if the last half of the season stinks, you can't take these four episodes away from me.

And I've loved every second of them. I think this is a home run, grand slam, knocked out of the park. And as long as Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau are involved, keep the show going as long as you want. If, say, it was a midterm grade, what would you give the show? It's midterm. It's obviously halfway through. What would you give it as a midterm grade? So I don't want to go too crazy because I want to give it room to improve.

But I'm going to be honest. I'm giving it an A-. I think it has really, really, week in and week out, satisfied exactly what I wanted from the Star Wars universe in doing stuff that feels like nothing else before in the Star Wars universe in doing stuff that feels like nothing else before in the Star Wars universe, which is amazing. I should say the live action universe because there is actually an episode of the Clone Wars that is almost beat for beat this episode where the Jedis go and teach a village how to fight against raiders and all

that kind of stuff. But it's different. I said that's sort of like, you know, when I see a movie adapt a comic book arc, I'm like, oh, wow, that's amazing. That's kind of what that feels like to me, especially being that it's Dave Filoni doing both. It's like him really changing his own work. It's not like he's ripping someone off. True, true. I'd say I give it a B. I do think it can improve. I think a B is also fine. B is 3-0. I was a fucking B student. That was my life in college oh yeah me too i'm proud of it yeah proud oh in college i wish i was a b student god no no i was nowhere near that no only one semester thank god yeah yeah one semester yeah like you said we've kind of like we've met a lot of different characters i think you know there's a chance they come back kind of you said to form that crew where it's like it didn't feel like, oh, we had to meet these characters and it was painstaking.

We're starting to build the universe. We're building a crew. Yet we still have individual stories that stand alone in episodes work. So I'm – like again, Last Jedi, The Rise of Skywalker may tear me apart from you, Robbie, but for right now, we're locking stock on the Mando right now. I mean that's perfect. As long as we got some Star Wars content that is fulfilling everybody's wants, everybody's needs, which the Mandalorian is seemingly doing. And this is incredibly universally loved. Are you talking fucking again?

No, we're not talking fucking. No, no, no. We're not talking fucking. No fucking. I'm not taking the helmet off just yet. Oh, my God. How amazing would that be if they came out with helmets that had like podcast earphones and microphones inside it. I would just do the entire podcast in a Mando helmet every day. If there's any engineers out there that could get working on that, I swear I'll do it.

You have no fucking – you have nothing but disposable income. You will have no problem. I got no disposable income clem i live in the fucking city i live in this shoebox in the city and i'm spending all my money on star wars merchandise so i got no disposable income because that's not even disposable to me that's like necessary for my sanity it's like yeah constantly buy new star wars things that's in the needs category not the wants category totally i mean for me it's as and that's as necessary as water h2o anything anything like that that's about it for chapter four we'll be back next week to talk chapter five now please enjoy this interview with wwe superstar and the

mayor of knox county glenn jacobs aka kane You had so many run-ins where you protected the Red Sox. I don't even know if you noticed that. And then you were like, no, I'm a Cardinals fan. Yeah, dude, I did not protect the Red Sox. You did. Trust me. The only reason is because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Yes.

So there's two instances because you're thinking Pete Rose, obviously. So Pete Rose comes out at WrestleMania, and he's making fun of the Bill Buckner thing. But there was, I can't remember if it was Raw or SmackDown, but Kurt Angle was making fun of Nomar or the Red Sox, and then the mystery opponent was you. And I was like, huh? I remember that. He was making fun of

Boston sports in general, right? Yes. Well, again, it was not because of my affinity towards Boston sports. I'm on to you. I mean, like, Glenn Jacobs might be a Cardinals fan, but Kane's a Red Sox fan. That's a fact. And by the way, it is Kane sitting across from us.

What should we call you at this point? Glenn's fine. Glenn, really? I feel like that's dirty. I feel like me calling you Glenn is like... It's fine. Yeah, it's good. Oh, wow.

All right. It's what I answer to, among other things. All right. And you've got a book out. Out today, Mayor Kane, My Life in Wrestling and Politics. You have so much going on from being the mayor of Knox County, from making returns to the WWE, doing everything you've got going on. When did you decide you had the time to write a book? I actually started writing it before I became mayor.

You know, it's been a project that I've— Oh, you have that title prepared? Well, I mean, of course, the wrestling stuff. And it's just a project that I've had i mean that the of course the wrestling stuff um and it's just a project that i've had in mind for a long time uh it was kind of hard because i don't keep a diary or journal which i should have i realized because you know i would be trying to remember details about stuff i have i do have you know a good memory so i can i can remember a lot of stuff but i'm like gosh who exactly was there and you know where was this and all that sort of thing sometimes i'd have to call folks and

you know get my memory jogged or yeah i would google and say oh yeah that's right yeah it's amazing actually i found out a lot you know i worked at smoky mountain wrestling and that was a big part of my early career um and yeah there's a website where you can go get the results of all the smoky mountain wrestling matches yeah yeah actually what was the name of this event and where was it and sure enough there it was like yeah that's right so this covers your entire wrestling career all the way going it covers my life dude from when i was a very little glenn to now so that ever happened was it were you ever little at any point i was little i was a little comparative to today yeah like how tall are you were you in like high school uh in eighth grade i think i was six four oh god i imagine you were born and you threw a choke slam yeah no i was i

was awkward i mean there's a picture in the book of me and my family i'm like 14 years old and i'm wearing glasses and i have you I have big curly hair. I was the most awkward kid imaginable. And that was hard. I mean, I was always the tallest kid in the class and got picked on sometimes. So it wasn't like I was out there throwing choke slams. A lot of times, I was just trying to survive. Question about the book.

Is there an audio book, and are you narrating it? Yes. You're the voice on it yeah that's the best yeah i mean because i'm a podcast guy i mean i can't i can't read so i think uh i think yeah i'll do the audio book and and if it's in your voice i think it's way better when it's the author yes yeah i think so um actually recorded it at orlation studio in south knoxville and i learned some things, too. Dolly Parton eats Lay's potato chips to keep her vocal cords oily, I guess.

And they told me the night before I'd read to eat a green apple because you're there for like six hours. And it's actually kind of difficult because you're not just reading, reading, reading. You have to read and then stop and then do this and do that. But it's pretty intense. And by the end of a six-hour period, your voice is shot. And then, of course, you want to have your voice try to be consistent across the whole book because you don't want to be in some points talking like this and other points talking like that. So it was actually pretty fascinating to see how that process – this whole thing has been fascinating to see how the publishing process works

and then the audiobook process as well. Were you inspired by any of the other wrestling autobiographies out there? Obviously, Mick Foley has got a couple that are very famous. Chris Jericho has got a couple. Daniel Bryan, who is a teammate of yours, wrote very glowingly about you and his. Did that inspire you? Yes and no. I mean you can certainly see that there's a market right um but

by the same token it's just something that i i wanted to do and i thought that uh people would want to hear the story i mean um you know my career spanned several uh generations i mean i was in wwe kind of at the end of um you know like the the people think it's pg now well back in the mid 90s you know you got into the real like cartoon characters yeah I had occupational exactly yeah and then from there you know move pretty quickly to the attitude era then after the attitude era you know and then on with the stuff like Daniel Bryan and then a little bit on to. So it's really like different eras of WWE. And to be in the middle of it and have a front row seat,

I thought that especially WWE fans would be very interested in that. So WWE is known for having their superstars do a ton of media, a ton of talking. Back when you had the mask on, was like did people be like oh that's that sucks like you're you don't like you're not required to talk today like kind of like rib you for that no no everybody had that i mean everybody understood and had their own had their own thing did you ever think that you would be doing like media tours like eventually no i i wanted you know i i lobbied to talk for a long time before I did.

Yeah, well, even the mask, and of course, talk about this in the book, there comes a point, no matter how good your character is, that it has to be reinvented because it gets stale. I mean, we've through various incarnations. And not being able to talk initially added a lot of mystique and mystery to the character. But then eventually it's like, okay, so this guy comes out and stands there. Yeah. And eventually you have to do something else. Yeah. And even when taking the mask off, that's how I felt, right? It's like I've gone as far as i can and the mask has actually

gone from being my biggest asset to now it's kind of a liability um see i wanted i wanted to do stuff long before i actually did um you know but this timing wasn't right and we had to had to wait then yeah it turned out for the best actually yeah and speaking about reinventing yourself you've done it so many times throughout your career like like you said your career spanned generations we've actually printed out here here jared you can hand these oh man these are the Reinventing yourself. You've done it so many times throughout your career. Like you said, your career has spanned generations. We've actually printed out here. Here, Jared, you can hand these to me. Oh, man.

These are the evolution of Kane. A bunch of incarnations of your character, a bunch of different outfits. And if you could just break it down for us or maybe tell us what you remember about that era of Kane, starting with, obviously, your debut. Right. So, yeah, that's the debut. And that's actually still my favorite really yeah oh yeah yeah yeah um and of course you have have paul bearer with me there and paul was instrumental in the whole thing and uh he passed away a few years ago which um you know

was uh very sad um but yeah that was actually my favorite time. And also the time I was most excited, man, because I was coming off some not very successful stuff. And here I had the opportunity. I knew if I couldn't make a hit with this, wrestling was not for me. Were you terrified knowing your run-in was in that classic match with the Undertaker, Sean? People ask me my thoughts going through my head and my main thought was, don't screw it up. I think there was a documentary out recently where they talked about the door and

how it was still a legit door. I've heard, I forget who it was, multiple guys have referenced you as the strongest guy that they've ever worked with. I don't know about that. That's their word.

At that moment, I probably could have ripped any door off. I believe that's Madison Square Garden. That's the only time I ever wore the cape that was part of the original outfit. People on Twitter have said that this guy, the security person next to me, was actually a corporate cane before corporate cane.

In the future, going back in time. Exactly, exactly. But in any case, the cape was a really cool thing, but it didn't work. And then when people started yanking on it as I was going out to the ring, I was like, this isn't going to work. It also made it difficult for me to get into the ring, so I decided to the ring. I was like, this isn't going to work. It also made me difficult for me to get into the ring, so I decided to ditch that. That's me, Paul Bearer, and Mick Foley as Mankind. What a performer Mick was.

Yeah. Just tremendous. I'm still mad at him because folks forget that the first world championship that I won was also the night that he made famous. Yeah, going off the cell. Can I ask you about that? He's got a little heat with me over there. So being the number one Kane fan in the world, I legitimately am. He really is.

Legitimately. There isn't a match that you've had that I haven't seen. So this was, I think I was in fifth grade. That was 98. It was King of the Ring 98. And you win the then WWF title and it's a 24 hour reign. And then never again. Like that was like my, like, it was almost like, you know, me being a diehard Red Sox fan, the Red Sox win the world series, but then they crowned a new champion 24 hours later. So like, I didn't even get the parade.

Like I didn't get anything. Why was like why i don't understand like you see you on the world heavyweight title that's not the same to me like i need the wwe championship like i needed that why was it just that one night and it was for 24 hours and then never again well i mean because it was against austin yeah and was huge. Yeah, it was huge. And then the next night was even bigger. Yeah. Right? And that's just the way the wrestling world works.

But here's the thing. For me, the next night in Cleveland when I lost the title was even better. Yeah. Because to me that felt like if Austin had you know, great, he'd have won. But by me actually beating him with the help of The Undertaker, you know, the next night he had an obstacle to overcome. And that was when the crowd – I mean, that was the arena in Cleveland. It was formerly Gund Arena. I think it was like Rocket Loan Mortgage or something like that at that point.

Anyway, it was unbelievable. That's the hottest crowd I've ever been in front of. It was amazing. And that's what we wanted. And then I think, too, I think, and I talk about this in the book, but up until that point, that was the highest rated segment of Raw. And it really felt like that helped propel everything forward.el everything uh forward um and and frankly in an undertaker it's kind of like this too you know we're the characters that draw it doesn't matter if it's champion or not right so that's what i was going to say is like is it almost a compliment to you because like when you're you're in a

program with the undertaker that doesn't need a championship like sometimes they'll pull a title off a guy and put it on because like oh this program needs the title you and the undertaker never needed that ever and and it's just you know instead it's just the characters were so strong yeah so uh you know so i i never had a problem with it i'd you know people say he only had it for a day i was like yeah how many people actually had it once yeah for any period of time, not that many. That's true. This is awesome. This is... Tory, that bitch. But yeah, this is... Everything's opposite now as far as the color scheme is a bit of a change there.

And then Paul Bearer, of course, is wearing, instead of his trademark black everything, he's got on the red blazer. Where would you rank that amongst your favorite returns ever that has to be number one right after like the Tory angle X-Pac takes her Paul Bearer comes back he's walking out pre-music everyone's like why is Paul Bearer

out here then the music hits and you just clean house yeah it was good I don't know if it's the best ever no no no in terms of your returns oh yeah yeah yeah I still don't know if it's the best ever. No, no, no. In terms of your return. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I still don't know if it's the best ever, man. I like the one where I came back with the mask and choked Slam Cena. Yes. And then also. That brought me back to wrestling. Yeah. Really? Yes.

And then also the one where I had like the open face mask. Yeah. You know. That was a different. That was against. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah so i like you took the mask off in 03 i stuck around for a little bit and i was like i can't do it anymore i checked out and then when you put it back on i was like i'm back in and i became a punk fan

after that so it was almost like uh bad blood was my first pay-per-view that I ever saw. Because in 97, I was eight. That was your debut? Yes. So I was eight years old. And my parents wouldn't buy the pay-per-views. Do you know how old I was? You were what?

30? You were 30? So I'm 30. You were born. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I just had to put it out there. Remember how you said you were sitting across from Jane? Yeah, so that's what I had to do.

I had to go to my neighbor's house across the street. They would get the pay-per-views, and then I was hooked. But yeah, when you put the mask back on, that's what brought me back to wrestling. Wow. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah, I mean, thank you. No, man, thanks.

I hope it's been good. It's been great. Great. Awesome. But that one right there, so everyone forgets that one. Yeah, I mean, thank you. No, man, thanks. I hope it's been good. It's been great. Great. Awesome. But that one right there, so everyone forgets that one. Yeah, me too. When I came in here, Robbie showed me all these pictures. Like, do you have the one from Invasion?

Yeah. How long did I wear that? That was a Survivor, just that night, I think. Yeah, because I don't really remember that. That was the Invasion Angle Survivor Series. Yeah. I don't remember that very clearly at all. Yeah. I ask you while we're going through the through these as well was the green cane outfit true or was that just a rumor no that was never in the plans it was always red and black

wow yeah yeah that was that was always the color scheme someone said the other day something about a you know yeah that or uh a yellow thing i was like there well there's photoshopped images all over of you and xbox like backstage quote unquote yeah where you're okay okay no no that was yeah no that might have been a concept yeah but you know i don't ever recall actually you know having any green so you know the close we came was when we combined you know we combined the entrances and we would do yeah you know my and then his music. Let's see, that's when me and Taker won the tag team championships. I think you were in the program with Triple H.

Yeah, and I had the chain match with Triple H. Yeah. Yeah. And the broken arm. And that was in Sacramento, California, I believe. I won the Intercontinental Championship that night. Were you slowly but surely being like, the Kane outfit is way too hot. I need less and less material on my body. It was more towards, I like to show more of my body.

Because I work really hard at keeping myself in shape. And you have back here where everything's, you know, almost covered. And then, so here's a, here's a bit of trivia for you guys. Okay. What's different about that outfit? The double sleeve. Yeah. Right.

Do you know why? Because of the, uh, the Undertaker angle when he, you had to cover up the text. I destroyed my trivia. Yeah. That's exactly why. Yeah. Yeah. Cause we're doing a deal where Undertaker and I were involved in the storyline with Austin.

And yeah, he would dress as Kane, I would dress as Taker. So that one, did you have fake tattoos on? No. I don't think so, yes. Remember when it was everything Undertaker from the neck down with the Kane mask on? Yeah. Was that you or him? Man, no, that was me.

I'm pretty sure. So then there was fake tattoos. Maybe. I don't remember. I remember going out, you know, in the Undertaker stuff. Yeah. Because his coat was so long. Yeah.

I kept on stepping on it. I was like, man, I'm going to trip when I get out there, right? You know, so I remember going out. I don't remember we had now we might have but i don't they weren't like uh they weren't like real intricate yeah they weren't like okay yeah but there's definitely something yeah because no one ever knew like that was never clarified so yeah that was me though yes okay so yeah it was it was you with the cane mask on the undertaker's attire from the neck down and then like you turned around then the turned around and the pyro went off. Yeah, that was the night that we ended up throwing Austin in the hearse or something like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Undertaker was driving it. Is that correct? Yeah. Something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He turns around and you see him through the little finder. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, yes, okay, I think you're right. But, yeah, I think we just did, like, you know, some temporary tattoos with a sharpie or something. So, yeah, that's when I came back. Yeah, we were talking about against the Americans. Half mask, yeah, with RVD and all that. You know, and that was actually the more – I remember I had, like, knee pads that matched and all this stuff. And, of course, all that sounds really good when you're thinking about it. And then you actually get out there and the riggers of the road end up tearing all the stuff up.

But, yeah, that was moving towards showing, again, more body and then more face there, too. I don't know if that's my favorite version of the mask, though. Yeah. I love that just because I love the RVD tag team so much. That is what represents it for me that attire yeah yeah man what happened to the hair yeah i used to have such nice hair i wanted to grow my hair out as a kid because of your long hair i wanted to do that you know what the other thing too kane doesn't get enough credit for being a ladies man like kane is a demented monster that Kane was.

Now, he never turned out well. No, but he still got into the altar. He gets all the chicks, though. And what was it? The chicks dig the mask. Chicks dig the mask. Yeah, yeah. With Trish.

Yes, exactly. Yes, Trish and Lita. I mean, like, you got them all. Start throwing on some masks when we go in. I almost bought a mask just for this interview, but I didn't know how you'd take it. I was like, I don't want him to think that I'm mocking him

because I am the number one Kane fan, so I'll do it without the mask. But next time you come in, I'm wearing the mask. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. I'm going to go through all the different eras.

Okay, that'd be great. Yeah, we'll do like a five-parter of this. That sounds long. Yeah, he didn't sign up for this. This is with no mask. Yeah. And gosh, I guess is that, I don't know why I'm all bandaged up there. It's probably against Shane after he hit me with a kendo stick or something, for real.

The ambulance match? Yeah. I was really excited about taking the mask off and that whole thing. So I completely reinvented the character. Did you have a lot to do with the backstory behind that too the emotional scarring and all that yeah so uh that was in a pattern that after uh the antagonist in red dragon which was a novel by thomas harris like well the the uh one of the hannibal lecter novels yeah and um in red dragon they made a movie out of it too and in red dragon you have this really big huge dude and uh he had a cleft palate when he was an infant and it had been repaired and you know

very very little scarring um but he had also been abused by his grandmother growing up. So in the inside, he was this really deformed monster. And he was a big dude. I mean, and, you know, serial killer and the whole thing. And to me, you know, we had to have. So we're going to take the mask off. And, of course, the story of Cain having a mask originally is because he was burnt in a fire. So how do you get around the fact that, you know, I'll do a lot for the business, but I'm not going to scar my face. Right.

You know, how do you get around that? And to me, what would really make Kane a psychological monster would be as if he's actually perfectly fine and never been burned or anything, but he was scarred on the inside and he'd created his own reality about it. And that's where that all came from. That's just one of the things where things move so fast in wwe you know uh that was that was kind of the story behind it and i mentioned it in the interview with jr where oh i set him on fire i kind of mentioned it we you know things were just going so fast at that

point that that we didn't really get to delve as in depth as i would have liked to uh and to flesh out that aspect of the character even more but so last night I watched the Undertaker-Austin interview on the WWE Network, and Taker talks about living the gimmick. Like when he was away from the ring, he's like, at that time, my closet was full of black clothes. Yeah. What did you do away from the ring

when you were like from 97 to call it 2001, like a couple of years before the unmasking? Man, I was just I was I never did that. I mean, you know, and I didn't have to because, I mean, I wore a mask. So, yeah, you know, I wasn't as recognizable. Were you ever afraid that someone would somehow recognize you and get a picture of you or something like that without the mask? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, you go Yeah. I mean, you go through airports and stuff. Back then, though, it wasn't like it is now where everything's on social media and people take pictures and immediately text it and tweet it out.

So it was a little different back then than it is now. But in that respect, it wasn't like I was out there flaunting anything. But at home, I mean, in that respect, it wasn't like I was out there flaunting anything. But, you know, at home, I was just me. Yeah. So you did the ski mask. Yes, I would wear that into the arena. Sometimes I'd wear a towel over my head. Yep.

So I have this picture here. You know, and I learned something very quickly. You don't wear a ski mask into the airport if you're trying to hide. So this was, I think that's got to be like 98 or 99. That's me in a, I got a cane hat, a cane t-shirt, and I have my cane signed 8x10 and my signed cane card that I had. I had that all framed. This is where I had my bedroom. That's awesome.

Yeah, and you came in and it was like a limo, and you were wearing a black ski mask. Yes. So when did you ever, besides autograph signings, do the ski mask? Just when I go in and out of the arenas. Yeah, wherever you might see a wrestling fan. Yeah, exactly. You didn't even take your hair out of the ponytail. What's that?

You didn't take your hair out of the ponytail. I don't remember. Yeah. I just keep it out of my face. Yeah. So one of my funniest stories is I told this to the Hall of Fame a few years ago. I'm riding with Paul Bearer. Paul would usually drive into the arena.

We're pulling into San Diego Sports Arena. There's thousands of people outside. You'd have to pull right down under them. Paul's like, man, I'm not feeling too good. Do you mind driving tonight into the arena? I'm like, yeah, sure, whatever, dude. It's cool. So anyway, so we're driving like a red Cadillac or something is what he rented.

And I'm wearing my ski mask. Not conspicuous at all, right? And so we're pulling down into the arena. And all of a sudden, Paul just perks up and just rolls down the window. He's like, it's a miracle. Kane can drive. Kane can drive. I'm just cussing him the whole way.

What were your emotions or feelings with that angle right after he passed, like the CM Punk Undertaker angle leading up to WrestleMania? That's what he would have wanted. Yeah. That's one last round.? That's what he would have wanted. That's one last round. Exactly what he would have wanted. Paul loved the wrestling business. I think to pay him tribute in that way was the most appropriate thing

that any of us could have done. Especially at the end of the match, the Undertaker getting the win and hoisting the urn. That was a really cool tribute. Yeah. Especially at the end of the match, the Undertaker getting the win and hoisting the urn. That was a really cool tribute. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, and granted, some people outside of wrestling might not understand that. Yeah.

You know, but I can tell. I feel like you kind of have to be in the bubble to really get it. Even Paul Bearer's children were saying that at the Hall of Fame, that, you know, that's what he would have wanted. Yeah, he would have loved it. He would have thought it was the greatest thing ever. What's your relationship with the Undertaker like at this point? It's good, man. He would have thought it was the greatest thing ever. What's your relationship with The Undertaker like at this point? It's good, man. He actually came in. He very rarely does public appearances, but he came and did one for my campaign, which was really awesome.

I was very honored that he did that. So we have a good relationship. It makes me so happy. It makes me warm inside that Kane and The Undertaker are still best pals. Well, until someone burns down someone's house. Right. So anyway. Right. hell well until until someone burns down someone's house right so anyway right do you remember the angle with shane where you guys shot something at kowloon that that was actually at kowloon oh yeah it sure was yeah yeah of course yeah i mean all you know and then yeah shane was so here's

the thing about shane though he's very intense. Shane's a great, great guy. He's a good friend of mine. He's super intense. And he would forget that like – he's having a match two or three times a year. I'm going out and having 300 matches a year. So he actually went out on the road to a series of of live events and we were we were we were up so we were up like in in montana and north dakota and i'm wrestling shane and we're in hardcore matches right he is he's beating the heck out of me like he's got a kendo stick and you know all this stuff and i'm like dude this is not wrestlemania

he's like the hell it is yeah i mean he's just like going nuts, you know. There's a couple thousand people there, and you want to put on a good show. But, you know, again, it's not like there's 80,000 people and you have a week to rest. We're going to go back and do it again the next night. And I'm like, I cannot have you beating me, like literally hitting me with a kendo stick like this, right? So, yeah, so one night he swings the kendo stick, and I caught it. And he was like he's like oh no and then another night um another night now the finish had gotten it's gotten kind of messed up and something something went wrong and so we're trying to do something else and i accidentally kicked him right in the head and knocked him out right so this is you

know of course the shame man is the boss's son and I'm like I'm supposed to choke slam him so I just pick him up and I choke slam him and then I'm like wait a second and then of course you know and then of course I'm also going you know dude why'd you dead weight me on the choke slam and he's he's kind of laying there just mumbling like, uh-oh. But luckily he was okay and actually thought it was the greatest thing ever. I mean, that sounds like it's right out of the Shane McMahon book. Exactly. He's seriously probably the toughest, one of the toughest people.

He was that star that came out a few years ago outside of wrestling. He was in a helicopter that went down. He drove home afterwards. That was right down the street from my apartment. Yeah. He's a tough guy. He's crazy. What a helicopter that went down. Oh, yeah. He like drove home afterwards. That was like right down the street from my apartment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a tough guy. He's crazy.

Yeah. And he likes to jump off high things. Yes. Clearly. Yes. So this is actually. And so this was the initial unmasking. So I'm still wearing the old Kane outfit, which we did not react because we didn't have

not a new Kane outfit. And that's later on with the, you know, do you know what that's from? Was that about the time I won a world championship? Probably a SmackDown or something maybe. Yeah. But that's also, you know, I had the world championship run with Undertaker.

Yeah. I won the Money in the Bank deal and then beat Rey Mysterio the same night. That broke my heart, Rey. I'm sorry. I was my guy growing up. I'm sorry, brother. I was like, finally, he won it.

He did it. I'd only had the championship for one day before, so I had to get it back, too. And had to have it for, I think, three months. I was also the only person, I think, the only person ever to beat Undertaker at three straight pay-per-views. Yeah. So we did it, I think, in just a straight match in Chicago. Then we had a Buried Alive match in Minnesota in which Nexus got involved.

I'm sorry. That was the bragging rights, right? Yeah, that was the last one. The second one was actually Hell in a Cell in Dallas when Paul Bearer came back and turned on Undertaker. And then we had the last match, which was at Minnesota, I believe, in a Buried Alive match in which Nexus got involved. You did some really fun stuff with Edge in that run, too. Yes. I thought your feud with with Edge in that run, too. Yes. I thought your feud with Edge was awesome.

Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, and Adam's a very dear friend of mine, you know, and that was good stuff. You know, initially RVD turning on him and really kind of setting everything up. Once again, breaking my heart. I was a huge fan of that tag team. I mean, you caused me a lot of emotional distress as a child. I'm sorry.

It's good to be on the good side of this. I know. You were on the Kane side. Kane was just like, I was like, what a great tag team. Kane and RVE, they're the best. I didn't even care if I enjoyed the tag team. I was like, if Kane wants to turn on this guy,

then we're turning on this guy. I like it. Then this is after the return or at the return actually uh of coming back with the mask um that's i'd uh um gone and shot a movie or something and uh and then then came back and decided that we wanted to to put the mask back on maybe that was i can't know is that your choice were you like i'm ready let's let's throw it back on. Maybe that was, I can't remember. Was that your choice? Were you like, I'm ready, let's throw it back on? Yeah, yeah, it was. And I think it was the right time.

When it happened at the Slammys, that was such a big moment. Yeah, it was pretty awesome. That particular mask there, so that is a leather mask. And these, the old ones were, these were all leather masks. Okay. And the original mask when I came back was leather. And it just wasn't holding up because there's a lot of detail, like there's creases and that sort of stuff. And that particular mask wasn't holding up. So we actually switched to a latex mask uh which is what you know i would

wear later and even though they look like that one's a lot brighter red um but any case uh you know the the problem with the leather mask too is they they just they they were durable but they would lose their shape you know because of the sweat and water and everything and i stick them in my bag and you know they would eventually lose their shape. I got cut once because they had a sharp edge, too, because of the creases on the inside. But it heads with one of the guys. It would have been horrible if that happened during the first blood match.

I didn't know. Well, here's the thing, too, though. I mean, I didn't know. So I saw a couple droplets of blood in the ring, and I'm like, why is he bleeding? And then I get to the back, and I pull my mask off, and I'm just like, I had a boxer cut, which is right along your eyebrow. You have the bone right there. And they don't hurt generally because it's just very thin skin.

The adrenaline's pumping. Yeah, and I didn't even know until then. I'm like, dadgummit. I was flying out that night or whatever, and I had to go get stitches and all that. But anyway, the latex mask, it's a lot easier to work with. And I assume you had a lot of input in what you wanted the return attire to look like? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

And then we had, was it with hair, without hair? Of course, it has a wig on it. Is that hard to wrestle with when you're wrestling with the wig or not at all? No, it's just all integrated into the mask. I always thought that. Now, I did go flying off in the match. The only time that's ever happened was Brothers of Destruction against DX. I just watched that last night.

Yeah, my stupid mask went flying off almost out into the crowd. In 25 years, it had never, ever happened before. And it was like a squirrel jumped off my head. Actually, now that you mention it, the return with the new mask. So you had like the black mask on. It's like a welder's mask. Yes, you had the welder's mask on over the red mask. When you did the pyro, did the mask almost fall off did i like the camera like the camera

switched like right as it was happening i don't i don't i don't think that's why though i don't think it was i don't i know the camera wasn't protecting but it was like it was a quick second where it looked like it was gonna fall off uh you know some folks thought it was the undertaker remember like back in the day like 95 when he had you know he was wearing that mask yeah like break his nose or something yeah he broke in an or yeah broke 95, when he was wearing that mask. Did he break his nose or something? Yeah, he broke an orbital bone. And so that was actually – I think he wore that at WrestleMania too, WrestleMania 12.

Yes, yeah. But it was kind of – it looked a lot like one he used to wear. And that welder's mask, man, also almost – I was at Tribute to the Troops in Norfolk at the naval station there with Daniel Bryan. I think it was a tag, I think it was a six-man tag with me, Daniel Bryan, and R-Truth. Against the Shield? Against the three-man band. Oh.

Heath Slater and his folks. Anyway, and I was wearing the Mildred's mask, and the whole stage configuration was different than any other show. Yeah. And I actually almost died, because I almost walked off the stage because I didn't realize where I was

and I couldn't see through the mask and Daniel Bryan saved my life. He was screaming at me. I'm like, what's going on? I'm like, oh my gosh. So that was the end of the Welder's Mass. It would have been horrible if Kane made his entrance

and just walked right off the stage. That's almost what I did. And that's Corporate Kane. A lot of folks didn't like Corporate Kane. I like Corporate Kane. I thought Corporate Kane was fun with especially going against Daniel Bryan at certain points and all that. And, you know, of course, this was with Daniel Bryan. Yes.

Team Hell No, which is one of the most favored periods of my career. But, you know, the Corporate Kane deal, it was just a departure again. Yeah. You know, and the whole idea was like really the scary part of Cain is now he wants political power, right, behind the scenes. You know, he wasn't just happy being dominating people in front of the camera. Now he wanted to, you know, to be part of the authority and to, you know, be making those sort of decisions. And guess what? Clearly, Corporate Cain is a very good politician because very shortly afterwards, he became the mayor of Knox County.

That's very true. I have better tailored clothes than he has. That's very true. No, I enjoyed the character again because it was different. And that's the thing, too. In WWE, when we talk about reinventing ourselves, we get stale with stuff too. Guess what? I can go out and be the big monster that doesn't say anything.

I was good at that and I could do that for a long time. But at some point, it's like I want to be a little more creative than this. I guess that's one of the other things here when I look through those is the fact that I was given that ability at different points to be able to change things and to be creative and to do some different things. And even the stuff with Team Hell No, the reason I enjoyed it so much was because for so long I'd played a dark,

really sinister character, and then to go out and, with Daniel Bryan, be the segment of the show that people laughed at. Yeah. You know, if you'd have asked folks earlier in my career, if you'd have showed them those clips, they'd have been like. Yeah. That's the funny guy?

That's the funny guy? Yeah. The anger management segment. Yeah. It's just so funny, though. They were like the highlight of Raw every single week. Oh, it was great. Yeah.

Were you filming those and trying not to laugh constantly? Like, were you baking during those? Oh, it was great, yeah. Were you filming those and trying not to laugh constantly? Like, were you baking during those? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, too, you know, we're thinking, how can we make this even more over-the-top and ridiculous? Right. And then, yeah, Daniel Bryan, he's great. Yeah.

And we were able to play it off each other really well. I mean, we had the vignette in the diner, I believe, in Albany. And that was a real diner. I mean, they were open for business. We were over in this other room, you know, throwing food and doing all this stuff. Screaming at each other. Yeah, and people were like, what's going on over there? And I'm wearing a mask.

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