My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 377 - NERD NEWS, INDIE FLICKS, AND MORE DEADPOOL

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

Robbie and Clem are back for an abbreviated episode of My Mom's Basement this week, where they discuss a couple nerd news stories and bring on Barstool Sports producer Ben Klein to discuss his new movie, 'Wasted'! Plus, 'Deadpool & Wolverine' editor Shane Reid joins Robbie and shares tons of behind-the-scenes stories about the new movie! Check out more about Wasted here: https://www.instagram.com/wastedmovie/ PFL: Tune into the PFL on Friday August 16th at 9p ET on ESPN and ESPN+, and tickets are available now on Ticketmaster ButcherBox: Get $20 off your first order with code BASEMENT or visit https://butcherbox.com/basement **************************************** My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike! Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome back to My Mom's Basement and a very special edition of My Mom's Basement where we're kind of free swimming again. We're in between a couple shows, House of the Dragons over, The Acolytes over, The Penguin has not yet arrived, although Caped Crusader has. I'll get to that in a little bit. But Clem, how are we doing? Doing good. You know, lots of fun, obviously, in the basement the last few months. Lots of work, lots of just having to grind out some stuff in the easiest way possible, obviously.

So kind of nice to not have commitments and kind of just let it fly, let it rain. So feeling good. Bob, someone was asking me recently, they said, have commitments and kind of just let it fly let it rain so uh feeling good bob uh people are someone was asking me recently i said hey do you guys would you guys ever think about doing like a uh like a rewatchables recrochables version of basement movies and i said we kind of did that back of the pandemic where we uh got in some stuff and then when i learned you hadn't watched road trip we did the road trip version of that as well movie that i wonder if you've seen i feel like you have seen it but i've been meaning to ask i was gonna say originally um what was the movie that caused a bunch of controversy there was one recently that

caused controversy at barstool and you told me you had seen it so whatever it was i can't remember have you seen lebowski yet oh yeah but not until like a couple years ago my fiance i like saying that now was the first one that said oh you got to see this and like she showed it to me and i thought it was great yeah i thought it was hysterical that is very much i think up the bob fox alley and i got myself a little uh they have a the dude uh toy what's like a little woody where you pull the string i saw that he has like 13 catchphrases and aj it's like his favorite thing in the world so he's just pulling it he doesn't know what any of world. So he's just pulling it. He doesn't know what any of the context means.

He won't for at least another like 10 years or so, God willing. So I was like, I got to make sure Bob has seen, uh, of the big Lebowski because we did road trip and boogie nights. Those are two of our, um, rewatches that I had a lot of fun doing. So we'll figure some stuff out. And like you said, we'll free swim in the meantime. Yeah. And like, you know, something comes up like Deadpool.

We went back and did the X-Men movies. Like I could see for Superman next year, maybe going back and doing a Superman movie or something like that. I actually had the idea while cutting a clip from last week's show or we did it on Sunday. So it's kind of like last week, this week, whatever. Our last show, you showed off some of your comic books and you showed off not only some of the floppies that you bought but you got the graphic novels and you said you're going to read those and i thought in my head what if we did like a comic book club i think we've mentioned that before but we tell all the listeners all right everyone go out and get secret wars we're all going to

read it and then we'll have jose on and we'll like all break it down as like, you know, we'll break down like it's a movie. That's a great idea. I like that. And anytime we get Jose involved in the, in the pod is a comic book club. We got to have him in. Cause it's like, why would you do it without the smartest man in the room? It's like Reed Richards. I like that. We're also going to do something new today. We're going to have someone from Barstool on a producer from Barstool named Ben Klein, who actually like wrote and directed. I believe he wrote it. He definitely directed his first ever feature film. So he did the thing that like I dreamed of doing when we're kids, where it's like, go make a movie with your friends, shoot the whole thing. He was editing colorizing. Like he had his hands in every facet of this movie and now he's submitting it to

festivals. He's got a big premiere in the city, August 24th that I'll, I'll be going to. And a bunch of people from Barstool are going to be going through to support him. I mean, he shot a ton of videos, um, that you've seen, I'm sure the Barstool basketball videos from this year. He's got big involvement in the rundown every day. He shot my Roadhouse video as well with Conor McGregor and Jake Gyllenhaal and all that. So we're going to have him on and just talk about what it's like to be kind of in the film business a little bit.

He's doing the damn thing. He was also a production assistant on Madam Web. So we got to ask about that as well. Yeah, very cool. It always blows my mind when now that, you know, we've been at Barstool for a while now and it was just a bunch of idiots leading idiots. Now we have actually talented people helping out.

So it's, you know, guys like Ben. I always think like Nick Hammy was one of the alpha beings in this all, Trey. There's just so many. I can just keep going on and on. But basically the dumbest people at the company are the ones in front of the camera it's all the people behind the camera that make the shit good so I and I checked out the trailer it's called wasted um and it's just a trip I'm

just like I can't believe we have someone who knows how to do this got good reviews so far on imdb so I know he's won a couple awards already he won an award for like best first time director that was the best part of the trailer is he had the fancy like award with the little leaves that you think con or some fancy festival that i can't pronounce so it was very cool to see uh a barstool person do that yeah i've worked with that with the rundown i've been on a bunch of times and uh always good so always makes always makes us look good so before we get to that we're gonna do like a little abbreviated my mom's basement episode because we got some travel going on. I got some travel going on tomorrow. I'm actually going to the PFL, PFL playoffs are continuing tomorrow, August 16th.

It's on Friday. Great fights. Usually you don't get fights on Friday. It's like, especially in MMA, they're all on Saturday night, but we've got light heavyweights and lightweights headed to Hollywood, Florida. I'll be headed to Hollywood, Florida as well with Big Evan Jack Mack. It's win or go home as these fighters compete for a spot in the million dollar PFL World Championship. Don't miss the action Friday again tomorrow, August 16th, 9 p.m. Eastern on ESPN and ESPN+. And if you're looking at 10, there's still tickets available. So you can come to the fights. You can see these awesome matchups.

There really are awesome matchups. We're going to see like the PFL debut of Danny Sabatello. We've got a great Brent Primus versus Clay Collard fight. Rob Wilkinson is on the card. It's going to be really, really good. I think there's going to be a lot of finishes on the card as well. Again, tune in Friday, August 16th at 9 PM Eastern on ESPN plus, or if you're in the Fort Lauderdale, Hollywood, Florida area, tickets are still available. I had a blast with the Olympics this year.

I just loved having them around always just as an option. And I think the time difference helped and the streaming has gotten so much better than since the last Olympics in the world for that for sure. And then we have the world cup, which I feel like we all just throw some flags on us, go to the bars, have a blast. We have two more summers that need to get filled because baseball is just so dead,

the literal dog days of summer. I feel like I'm trying to figure out which sports could do it, and it would have to be, like, worldwide. Or maybe we do, like, a real-life Hunger Games battle royale with, like, cage fighters, right? So, like, the BFL could do something like that. And, I mean, we wouldn't maybe murder, but, like, you have you have a hundred people and like last to survive and that would last somehow to referee stoppages instead of murder exactly so hey i'm just throwing that out there for anyone that maybe wants to like become uh you know the head of a sports franchise as big as the olympics and the world cup that is

my free nugget for the day half-bakedaked idea. Also, I should mention, we did an interview this week, an hour-and-ten-minute-long interview. It might be the longest interview in my mom's basement history with Robert Eiler, a.k.a. AJ Soprano. He came into the office. He was doing KFC Radio and our podcast. We each had him slotted for like 45 minutes, a half an hour, and we each did over an hour with him.

He was just such an easy guy to talk to. He's such a big stoolie, so he's very aware of all the inner workings of bar stool and the inner rivalries and stuff. We talked about that. I had Glennie balls on the show. Of course, Glennie was in the office. How could you not have Glennie in on a Sopranos interview when you have an actor from the Sopranos in and Robert Eiler even seemed like stoked to meet him. He walked into the room. He was like, Oh, Glennennie like they've obviously like sort of passed each other on the internet but never met for real um so go check that out if you're a sopranos fan if you don't want this brown spoiled for you though i i think it goes without saying don't watch this interview it's been 20 years i know we we talk about like the sopranos ending

and stuff so we're going to keep this video we'll keep a video exclusive the sopranos uh the interview it's on the podcast feed as well okay okay cool so i and i my favorite part about age i'm just gonna have to call him age let's be honest yeah it seems like a diehard like diehard stoolie you said yes can you like oh you're in survivor he says i know he's saying he'll wait he'd be one of the ones like waiting on the like youtube premieres for like the countdowns and then watching it all probably in the chats running amok so uh that's very cool my wife was stoked when she saw it obviously she's watching sopranos for the first time and uh so definitely check it out it's uh it's awesome so one of the new stories that i want to get to right away here is a funny one very funny to me you know sony hasn't been the best with their spider verse their the animated

movies amazing you know couldn't be better but the the actual venom verse villain verse morbius verse whatever you want to call it it's been bad it has been really really bad they got craven the hunter coming out i think it's rated r aaron taylor johnson it's like everything on paper seems like it should work except the sony inclusion and involvement the new trailer came out this week when did it come out at 3 30 in the morning eastern standard time 12 30 a.m la time and what 8 30 a.m london time jeff was tweeting all the time codes because like none of them were the ideal time zone to put a trailer out it's like a friday news dump but they're like uh let's just slide this trailer and hope nobody notices but people notice because rhino's in the trailer he looks horrendous he's he's like a real rhino morph half being i don't

know what it is but sony is allegedly so happy with this movie, Craven the Hunter, that they're already working with the director again on some murder mystery movie, not superhero related inspired by succession. So I'm not saying that's going to be horrible. Cause like, I get that even like the writer of the dark night has some bad credits on

his resume, whatever, but like what? Everything about this movie that I've seen looks horrible. I'm at the point now where I feel like Sony is tanking their Spider-Man, non-Spider-Man franchises. Like they have the animated ones awesome. Anything where like Kevin Feige holds their hand through everything, awesome. And then it's like when they're on their own and i i saw uh nick nick hamilton was talking with someone

um and i think they're going back and forth and saying like i think they have to make a new one like every year or something in order to keep the license and i think what sony's like grand plan is making them so bad that marvel's like listen we, we'll just pay you $5 billion, literally just for Spider-Man, you know, in perpetuity, you can make some sort of like money off the backend. So you're still cashing in, but for the love of God,

stop like butchering this universe and everything we hold dear to it. So I'm convinced like, again, that's like a stance in where he would try to get fired from the Yankees. He would take the world series trophy and drive in the parking lot with it dragging in the back of his car. I think they're doing that at this point because the timestamps are so egregious and dumb.

And again, idiots from Barstool doing that? All right, makes sense. Idiot from Sony. They gave you the thumbs up, not thumbs up, Sony. Thumbs down. Yeah, that was bad. Another Marvel-related story that i found funny was that not the first part's funny fantastic four coming to fortnight to be expected you know at this point

they're trying to get everyone in fortnight the whole marvel universe has basically been in fortnight but the thing that i found funny about it is that there was a clip of galactus destroying worlds in fortnight kevin feige said he showed the clip to the Fantastic Four team, the directors and all that for inspiration. I think he was like, you got to pull this shit off in the movie, what they're doing in Fortnite. So once again, Disney is taking their massive tentpole franchises and they're going, we got to Fortnite this shit.

Not only the Emperor we bring back in Fortnite, but maybe Galactus we bring back in fortnite but maybe galactus we bring back in fortnite imagine in fortnite the things remains like his dusty remains the the orange ash they're just sitting in dr doom's throne room metal metal wow imagine if that's how they're like oh no like the entire fantastic four origin story and basically the like introduction of the movie is in fortnite you have to play it and complete the entire quest in order to know what the hell is going on. Cause Star Wars literally did that,

which is just so fucking funny. This thing, I think the Pat, like the update is called absolute doom. And it looks like it's just straight up a Marvel game. Cause you're like acting as the players and you're able to, it looks like do all their different superpowers. And so captain America, War Machine.

And some of this Marvel stuff's been in the game for a while. I know that Thanos and stuff, but like you've been able to use Cap's shield and stuff. And like there's been Marvel weapons in the game for a long time, right? And this seems very much like there's the villains. I saw Mysterio was there. Doom is there. Maybe Emma Frost. I don't know.

But they're definitely like loading up. They've had the X-Men for sale again. You're looking at a Fortnite player. Honestly, maybe one of the top 10 Fortnite players currently in the thing because I'm 50% victory royals at this point whenever I play. Whenever I fired up with a six or nine-year-old, I win 50% of the time. So we are fucking stoked in the Casa de Club right now to get this update. They've been waiting for August 16th.

They keep checking. They're idiots. They don't know how calendars work. So they're is it today i'm like no you morons we have one more day so we are fired up for this big time big time there we go i'm not a fortnight player myself but i've said it before i'll say it again every time i see a character brought into fortnight not just marvel characters the designs are unreal i'm like oh my god like it's so cool. The Ninja Turtle designs were so cool. The Batman, all the Marvel designs. Magneto looks like a badass in Fortnite.

So I respect that they do all the characters justice. I'm telling you, if you played Fortnite back when it was hard and all these video game guys were building houses and you couldn't hit them, play again. It's mostly just bots and other kids. You could just smoke everyone and get like the dopamine rush from winning and you're like oh this is as if i had won it five years ago it's awesome i gotta get into that because right now i'm still playing

the spider-man games i 100% of the first one 100% of miles morales and now i'm on to spider-man 2 which is very fun because they're both in the game p Peter and Miles. So you'll see like, oh, there's a robbery happening on top of a roof and you swing over there. And then Miles meets you and you're both kicking ass together and you're doing double team moves. It's like you're the Legion of Doom all of a sudden. It's awesome. And also the new Spider-Man or the new Star Wars game, Star Wars Outlaws, which kind of has like Grand Theft Auto-y Outlaws vibes, comes out at the end of this month. So I'm kind of like prepping for that. I'm getting really excited for that. Another new story, we've got the rumored plot details of the Kang Dynasty. And I don't know

whether or not to believe this, because from what I remember, this is kind of recycled as the rumor plot details for Deadpool 3. I remember reading this and people being like, this is kind of recycled as the rumor plot details for Deadpool 3. I remember reading this and people being like, this is what Deadpool 3 is going to be about. But basically, the rumor is that the Kang Dynasty was going to feature the TVA assembling a team of anchor beings, like the best hero from every multiverse to take on the army of Kang to the council of Kang's. I believe that was the original thought for why this Wolverine was different. And this Wolverine had like a yellow suit. I thought people were like, that's the best Wolverine ever,

which funny. If you've seen the movie, it is quite the opposite. But yeah, I don't, I don't know how much to believe that I do have fun. You texted me this and you said like, has this been confirmed or anything?

I was like, no, but we could talk about it because I do find it fun to even read like fan theories and stuff like that, where it's like, even if it's bullshit, it's fun to think, Oh,

maybe that could have been like the movie. And like, that could have been a decent movie if that was the concept of a movie like that. Yeah. Uh, I went to like the, the YouTubers are all pumping it out as if it's

gospel at this point you know your new rock stars and screen crush so i'm like okay i don't know if that's a thing i always go to my heavy spoilers i didn't see anything for him so i'm like until my guy says it and he or at least at the theory time i'm not gonna believe it it looks yeah it looks perfectly fine i would have been avengers like it's gonna be so hard endgame and infinity war set the bar so high. Could have at least cleared the first Avengers. Maybe, I guess. But, you know, I think the Secret Wars has its it's like the story they follow, you know, loosely.

And then it's a matter of which characters are going to get up to battle world and eventually we'll get to it. Do they do? This is what I'm curious about about because i also read that whatever villains sony uses they block marvel from using the same ones so like the inclusion of rhino in the new movie means that they can't use rhino in the mcu they can't do secret wars without giving peter parker the symbiote right like we got a little bit of it in no way home at the end or whatever but they have to give them the black suit, like Tom Holland, the black suit. And that was in the script that says that that was a part of it for sure.

So, I mean, I also kind of would love if this rumor goes every like big movie release. It's like, oh, it's going to be these alpha because it's like when the, you ever see that fake meme or where it's like this athlete broke both legs in a car accident. And then I never forget Tiger Woods. The report came out and KFC was like, I'm not buying this one. And everyone was like, oh my God, you're so insensitive. And he's like, dude, this has been an interview for like 20 years. And it actually happened to like top five biggest athlete in the world.

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oh yeah lady fox oh yeah all right let's bring on Ben Klein from Barstool. So, Ben, we gave a little bit of an intro for the movie. Clap it up. We have to clap it up for the big director. We're doing great. And look, both Yankees hats. This is great. Clem, where's your Yankees hat?

Oh, I forgot. Sorry. Fire. Sewer. I don't know. So, we gave a little bit of an intro. We told the people it's called Wasted. But since we have a big-time director on, I want to use some industry terms.

So give us the elevator pitch for your movie. Sure. So Wasted is a miracle. It was made by a couple of passionate college students. We shot it like 15 months ago in our last semester of college and we shot it for a thousand dollar budget, which I looked at. There's a, there's a power drill by the way. I don't know if you guys can hear that. No, you're at the barstool office. Always. Yeah. People know that. To be expected. So we were frustrated that my friends, Blake and

Jared were amazing and super talented. We were frustrated that like anyone who's made a movie that takes place in college post COVID, it just, it doesn't actually capture how things really changed after, you know, college students were shut down for a year and a half. And, you know, we were like, why not us? You know, we have the camera equipment, we can borrow whatever we need. So we didn't, we actually didn't even own a camera the whole shooting we kind of borrowed and outsourced from facebook groups and local community members at university of wisconsin madison but uh in terms of elevator pitchers like what the movie's all about it's about a college freshman alex wild, who doesn't love his

friends. He feels like they're nerdy and that he has the opportunity to be cool. And he wants to have that authentic American college experience of going to a keg party, drinking too much and hooking up with girls. And he's not getting that from his theater friend group. So he starts pursuing this fraternity crowd that is very corrupt and, you know, has some dark secrets. And we watch his story unfold and he goes down a dark path. And, you know, you'll see how things actually play out. Yeah, no spoilers because I want to see the movie. I want to be surprised.

Yeah. But is this like so you didn't have you didn't have really any budget. Like you said, you shot it on a thousand dollars. I love stories like this. I love Kevin Smith and his story of shooting clerks for 27,000. You're making that even more micro on a scale of this. Post inflation, Bob. Post inflation.

Did you write and direct or just direct? I didn't write. We had two screenwriters, Charlie Koepp and Zachary Orlowski, two guys. One of them's my age, which is 23. One of them's two years younger than me. And they're both super talented. So what I did is me, my co-director, Blake Switzer, who's super talented. He's in the YouTube game and killing it. And Jared Rosenthal, who's the executive producer, who pretty much, he's a genius at putting people together.

You know, he can, I, the famous moment I always say is like, there's a scene in a boxing ring that I came up with or that we came up with like two hours before we were going to shoot it. And I call him up. I'm like,

could you get me a boxing ring for free? And he was shooting something in Arizona at the time. He calls me 20 minutes later. He's like, yep, you'll go to this place in Madison, Wisconsin. They're boxing. They'll let you shoot there for free. And anyway, we went through scene by scene. And I created a format where we created an objective for the scene being like, all right, Alex meets this character.

And then action. Or we did bullet points saying, all right, he walks into the story, he meets these people, he says this. And then we gave that to the screenwriters. They turned out a phenomenal script. And then we had a famous week, between 12 friends, we had a week where we went to the business school and we all went into a classroom

and had a massive whiteboard and essentially went scene by scene because this is what I think I really brought to the table where I just get very obsessive over making sure everything's motivated. Like my biggest pet peeve of any movie is when like a character just does something out of the blue and it doesn't make sense for what has been developed. I want it to be, whether it's subtle or not, you know, I'm down for to surprise the viewer. We definitely surprised the viewer with a couple of decisions we made. But, you know, I don't want it to be, whether it's subtle or not, you know, I'm down to surprise the viewer. We definitely surprised the viewer with a couple of decisions we made.

But, you know, I don't want it to be just like, why the hell did he just make that decision? So really went scene by scene, planted things early that pay off later. And I think that that last week really elevated the film to a special level. Because I think we made a really excellent product, especially given like regardless of the budget. But when you factor in the budget, I'm super proud of what we made. It's very cool. It's literally the stuff that like I wanted to do when I was a kid watching like documentaries about how they made Star Wars.

Like, oh my God, imagine making a movie with my friends and like doing a big premiere. You're doing a big premiere in the city, August 24th. There's the details on the wasted Instagram and all that. Now, in terms of putting together a movie with good motivations good characters good script you've also worked on a movie that had none of those things madam webb madam webb was no it wasn't like it was ben's fault that the movie didn't perform well at the box office or anything it was all this was like one of the first things I feel like we talked about was you were like, yeah,

I was a production assistant on Madam Web. I think it was like a topic on the rundown at some point. And we talked about this, but yeah, you were, you actually were on Madam Web for a little bit. Yes. I,

I mean the only thing I've learned so much from being a production assistant, it's really like you're, you're the bitch of the set. You're getting coffee. I had to unclog toilets for other shoots. You gotta do really terrible things. Sydney Sweeney clogged the toilet?

Bob, we have our lead for the episode. What did I? Would've been sprinting. So my job for Madam Web. So they shot most of it in Boston actually, but they had that ambulance chase scene. It's about like five minutes into the movie. It's very early. It's like the first action sequence in the film. They shot it on Jerome Avenue in the Bronx. And my job was I was at the bottom

southernmost point of the street. And, you know, for a chase scene, this is a real street in the middle of the Bronx. You can't, you know, the Bronx. These cars are going, they speed it up, but they were going like 40 miles per hour. You can't have pedestrians or bicyclists going down there because it could be a serious accident. So my job is to lock up this block. And believe it or not, a lot of the people in the Bronx didn't want a skinny white Jewish kid telling them, you can't walk down your own street. So I had to be like, excuse me, please don't go. It was a lot of back and forth, but that was funny,

and no one was hurt, thankfully. I was able to utilize Spanish skills, which was great. But what I found interesting about the shoot, and I looked it up, and i actually think it is um frequent but at my 23 years old self aspiring director this really baffled me that the director wasn't on set where this was like a pit you know it's an action sequence so i'm she i'm sure wrote it up had a shot list and i'm sure it turned out exactly how she wanted or you know or as she would hope the best it could be um and i think it was actually a good sequence and I actually enjoyed the movie.

It was fun. I'll be it. You're buying into, you know, the terrible ADR and some of the flaws. But, you know, I actually did have a fun time watching in the theater with a couple of friends of mine, but anyway, she wasn't there. And, you know, I just,

I thought that was interesting because at my age and my dream of being a director it's just like if i ever am shooting a fucking marvel movie i would you know there's no way i wouldn't be on the set every chance i could get so i found that to be kind of interesting but you know god bless her she's talented i never met her um wishing her the best um i'm sure that there you know it's a million reasons why that could have happened so not the best judgment is there any truth that they didn't have a whiteboard they just had one piece of loose leaf paper and just like cross it out and put stuff in

in terms of the stuff? Can you confirm or deny? Or neither? Plead in the fit This guy's ready man This guy's ready for Hollywood He's ready for Hollywood We gotta like lock him down with a lifetime contract, because he's gonna be in Hollywood, like, next week or something.

Also, though, you've been, you've been shooting the pop punk stuff. You've been on tour with us, which has been fun. Yes, that's been so much fun. I haven't really had that much still experience, but shot a bunch of photos for Chicago, and I had so much fun taking those

and looking through them. It's really, like, it's like a personal lottery where like I took, I think I took like 2,500 photos on that one concert and you're just like clicking through waiting to see it's like shit, shit, shit, shit. And then when you find one that hits, it's a great feeling. That and you're working on now minute movies with Tommy. One a week, right? Yes. Yes.

One a week right yes yes one a week um the the vision is it's uh i know he's kind of a controversial figure but i love his movies woody allen his he once said in a in a uh interview if you do uh one he's like if i do one movie a year one of them's going to be good you know that that's kind of a very simple approach so if we do one short a week one of them's gonna be good you know it's it's uh we we slap them together we let people the people decide they pick the words they comment and they like their favorites and then we are stuck with whatever words they have um and you know it's like a fun kind of prism to to get creative with where we made a medieval

drama where meek phil and clemmer who's the maser turned their back on king bartholomew played by tommy um you know we did uh the plumbus spelling bee where france that was the spelling bee pronouncing marty was good in that yeah um so you know we're learning this week we're actually shooting it in like an hour and a half our words are yacht worcester as in like the sauce and place in england and um divorce um so excited for you guys to see what we make there there that's a good tease so you get the teases down too this guy we're telling you one of the most talented behind the scenes guys at barstool and he's got a movie coming out so much when people come to the premiere get like people listening to this yes anyone people come to the premiere? Like people listening to this?

Yes, anyone can come to the premiere. So to tell you about the event, it's my challenge was I want to have as many people as possible see the movie. And as a cinephile, I want it in a theater because that's the optimal place for viewing. I don't want people on their phones. So the challenge is it's hard enough to get people in the theater for a fucking Marvel movie today. You know what I mean? So let alone my thousand dollar budget passion project, which is great. And once they're there, they'll love it.

But, you know, getting people in seats is a daunting task. So what I'm trying to do is shift it to make it more of a exciting New York City nightlife event where you show up at 730 to Village East by Angelica, which is an unbelievable theater, and it's going to be a keg party. We're going to have like seven or eight kegs for all party attendees. We're going to have beer, hard seltzer, you name it. And, you know, which is very on theme because of all the keg parties that you see in the movie. And, you know, we're going to drink, have a reception. It's going to be a fun hybrid because it's definitely going to be a young crowd. A lot of my friends who are 23 and 24 are going to be there. But then there's also a bunch of older Barstool people and friends in the industry who are going to be attending.

But you show up and it's going to be a college party and formal film reception hybrid, which is perfect, especially for this movie. You're going to watch the movie. Caroline Banowitz from Barstool is doing an intro. And then after we have an after party. So I'm trying to create a holistic event where it's like you pay for your ticket and you show up. You meet all these cool people. You see a fun movie. You go to an after party. You get your photo taken on like a beautiful step and repeat we're making. And, you know, I think that's the kind of thing that puts butts in seats. Right now we have 150 people going. We're working with our partners to try and increase the capacity because originally 150 was the capacity, but we still have a lot of demand

and people want to see it. I'm not going to stop them. And I just couldn't be happier to finally show people because I've never worked on something for this long. I've never worked on something that almost killed me. I pulled probably like 20, 30 all-nighters on this project where, you know, I go into Barcelona in the morning, work all day, work on this all night, and walk right into the office like half dead. But, you know, it's the passion that drives me. And this event is kind of the culmination of all of that. So if any of you are listening, we mean a lot if you came, but who cares about me? You'll have a great time if you come.

It's 49 bucks for a ticket. Follow at Wasted Movie on Instagram. So I could afford renting out the theater and the bar. You have to follow me on Instagram. Follow Wasted Movie on Instagram. And follow me, Ben S s klein for for all the updates and there's a link in the bio at wasted movie um where you can rsvp i would love to have as many you know new york listeners of my mom's basement there clem i saw jackie april jr is gonna be there

really yeah i'm not fucking with you yes hell yeah hell yeah. Jumped that one on my ass. Holy crap. I know. You don't know who you're going to see at the Wasted premiere. That's the vibe. You know, we're actually working on another special guest who told me last night he's 99% to come. When does this come out, Robbie? Tomorrow.

Tomorrow, okay. I'll know by Friday, so i'm not gonna say it all right don't say it but that's a tease you don't know who it could be brad pitt this would be this would be a life changer this would be unbelievable not a life changer but a life meaning or you know he worked on could be seen sydney sweden joneson could be uh ben wyatt from parks and rec adam scott there is a non-zero chance that you can be at a keg party with Sidney Sweet. And that's kind of like everyone's like, I just need the chance. So take the chance on Ben and take a chance on yourself, basically.

There we go. Thank you. Ben, thank you for coming on. Everyone follow Wasted Movie and hopefully see you at the premiere. All right. And now a little bonus for everyone listening on the podcast feed. If you follow us on our video platforms, you may have already seen this. But if you're listening, here is an interview with the editor of Deadpool and Wolverine,

Shane Reed. So we're keeping the movie industry conversations going here. There's a lot of, lot of interesting behind the scenes insight in this interview. Please enjoy Shane Reed. All right, welcome back to my mom's basement. It is Robbie Fox and I am here with Shane Reed, who is coming off an amazing release of Deadpool and Wolverine. He was the picture editor on Deadpool and Wolverine.

I've actually never had an editor on my show before, and I'm very excited to talk to you because I'm very interested in the craft of filmmaking and all of the things that go into that. And I want to just start by saying I've seen the movie twice now from my very novice perspective of what editing entails and what goes into it. I think you did a fantastic job with the way the movie moves, the energy that it has, the action sequences, the comedy, the way it's balanced. I think it's fantastic. Well, thank you very much. And thank you for having me. I'll just start by saying that Dean Zimmerman was the other editor with me on the film who has been with Sean for the director for 22 years now. And, um, and it definitely was a, a feat of editing, um, and impossible to accomplish with one single person, uh, let alone, um, with two of us, it was, it was

already, we, we had a 23 week post schedule with 2000 visual visual effects shots. And, um, and we moved insanely fast and really efficient and um and it couldn't have been done without without the talents of dean that's awesome so when it comes to visual effects like this is obviously a very visual effects heavy movie i know you worked on the last ghostbusters as well i would imagine that's the same kind of thing with visual effects are you editing multiple versions uh like tons of versions of the movie as with visual effects are you editing multiple versions uh like tons of versions of the movie as the visual effects are getting updated or are you waiting till those are done i assume not right sometimes i'll start with these previous sequences that'll be um and

they vary from uh you know um storyboards that are put together to actual like visual effects companies that do previs work, and they'll sort of make like 3d animations. And you'll, you'll, you'll start with some of those to block out action sequences, those are usually used for the director, and the production to wrap their heads around the sequence that they need to shoot and how they're going to break it down. We'll sometimes get those earlier and then trim them up so that we can already sort of have an editorial pass on them and get rid of anything that we might not need. And then it's like, then you start to build a scene.

Sometimes you're building a scene, like for Ghostbusters, you build scenes just without Slimer in them, you know, and sort of make up in your mind where Slimer's going to move. And then you'd start to, you know, have your VFX editors start to, you know, comp in versions of Slimer in them and make up in your mind where Slimer is going to move. Then you'd start to have your VFX editors start to comp in versions of Slimer. Then you'd start to go ahead and understand how it's all tracking. It just builds in that way. It's little piece by little piece by little piece. In Deadpool, there was an interesting... This comes out later.

We can talk about everything right yeah okay cool um johnny when johnny when when evans turns into johnny flame and flies up in the sky and then lands on the on the tower um that was not in the script the script i think because i was cutting that sequence the script uh had him fly into a car. He kind of flew down and hit a car and hit the ground. And the idea was still to sort of humiliate the character. But when we were working, we were like, I think it started with a sound effect. I found a sound effect of a really far away like, and it immediately made us laugh. And so Ryan, Sean, Dean, and I started to sort of build the idea of Johnny hitting, because this tower was totally underutilized.

It was sitting right in the middle. And we were like, oh, my God, we can really have some fun with this. So we built all of that with our visual effects team. Previz came in and built the tower. And then we started to have like a little figure fall. You know, there were different variations. We could fall, he'd get his leg stuck. He'd go to get for his leg fall hit another thing land on the pole fall again and um and we just kind of worked that idea for a while until we felt like we had

something that was that felt like um it had the physicality to it that we wanted and then ryan would record adr we'd throw that onto it and then you know and then when we felt good about it we just had the animation team start building and building and building until it was final. That's so great because in both screenings that I've been at, that got such a visceral reaction from the audience. It's just like, Oh, Oh, Oh, you know, it has that. I found a video on YouTube of, or on Instagram,

I think of a woman who was drunk on her husband's shoulders at a wedding. And she and they're like, whoo. And she falls and like scorpions down like her head hits. It's the most brutal fall. Like her legs go behind her. And we watched it and no one could actually watch it. I kept showing it to people and everyone was like, oh, my God. We were like, we have to have johnny flame do this you know he has to scorpion on the ground and hit his chin on the pole and just and make

it as humiliating as possible um and that's just that's the sort of subversive humor that uh you know uh a deadpool movie affords you that's so fun i mean it's the number one movie in the world the odds are decent that that woman has seen the movie. She might not know she's the inspiration for a scene. She might've seen it. Yeah. She doesn't remember that night. She doesn't know that happened. So how did, how did Deadpool and Wolverine come about for you? Like, did you know Sean or did you know Ryan? Like how did you get the job on Deadpool and Wolverine? I, I got really lucky and I, I was in, I was sort of working in the commercial music video space. And I got a call from a friend of mine, a producer named Rebecca Skinner, who is really talented, runs a company called Super Prime in Santa Monica.

And she called me and was like, I have this music video for Taylor Swift and Blake Lively is directing it. She's never directed before. She's coming under our banner because they've worked with Taylor before. And she's like, and she doesn't have an editor. And, and, you know, I worked with like Damien Chazelle with her and Terrence Malick with her. And, you know, I just delivered for these directors. They're like big directors and, and, and, and, you know, have a high echelon of expectation. And she was like you know i just i think you'll do a

good job i think it'll better best represent us you know so i came into it i met blake she was like the best um super talented uh really fun we got along really fast and we're really great collaborators and you know ryan and her are really really close they they watch everything they do together and they call each other all the time in the edit bays and they feed each other jokes and they watch each other's edits and they you know if you're if you're choosing between a b or c on anything like they sort of vote and then they'll ask you your vote and you know it's just a very collaborative process and so through that I got to know Ryan a little bit and um but not a ton and I remember Ryan announced Deadpool and I just felt like I I felt like I had built up enough trust with Blake that I I just felt like maybe I'm just

gonna ask and see if there's any part that I can have on the film um I don't care what it is I just felt like maybe I'm just going to ask and see if there's any part that I can have on the film. I don't care what it is. I just, I love Deadpool. And so I really like put myself out there to her and it was, she was really nice and it was kind of quiet for a while. And like, what little did I know that she was basically like pinning Sean down for an hour and pinning Ryan down for an hour and just being like, you have to hire this guy. he's gonna fit into your creative you know collaboration that you have with dean and and sean and ryan they've done three films

together i think or at least two they did free guy and adam project together and um and like out of the blue one day ryan was like i'm pitching you to marvel in 30 minutes uh you know i was going i was on ghostbusters at the time and he was like give me your schedule on ghostbusters gave it to him and then sean called me uh and sean sean knew uh knows jason reitman quite well and jason had me on ghostbusters and so he was calling jason like i don't this guy doesn't really have any films you know what can i look at to even get an idea of what his sensibilities are and he called me and he's like i'm like so confused right now like you have all these people that are just pushing you and i i don't even know what to look at or or i guess i

just have to sort of like trust this and and trust the creative people around me that I admire and respect. And so we kind of flew into it a little blind and it was like the best combination ever. We really grew like four brothers in that room cutting and Blake was right and Ryan was right. And I'm just a grateful, lucky recipient of being in the right place at the right time. That's an awesome story. And I mean, there were so many rumors about Taylor Swift in this movie. grateful, lucky recipient of being in the right place at the right time. That's an awesome story. And I mean, there were so many rumors about Taylor Swift in this movie. You are the link between Taylor Swift. I am the link. Marine. Does your experience in cutting music videos help with the music sequences in a movie like this? Like there's so many, like the bye-bye-bye intro

and the fight scene in the Honda Odyssey, even the end with like a prayer. Does that lend itself to that? Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, music videos, I've only done a few music videos and they're fine. They're not particularly my favorite, but it's more the commercials.

Like I cut commercials for like a decade and every commercial you get onto, most commercials, if you're doing a film and you have a script and then everyone, there's a lot of directors who are like, that's our script, we're putting that onto the screen or you change as you kind of go. But a lot of advertising is like no one knows

what you know there's there there are ideas and there are smart people i'm not going to discredit that but it's like there's a lot of just like trying to create stories that are things that are not really stories no one is happy if you cut the thing that they shot they always expect something different bigger they want you to break it open so for like 10 years i've had the practice of just applying music to cuts and finding the the music that marries with the with the um with the images that i'm seeing and you know you'll you'll listen to these playlists over and over and like all of a sudden something will hit and you're like oh oh i totally see you lay it down you can just feel it and i've just had that practice of sound designing and designing sequences with music for for so long that when it came to this film I knew going in that it would put me to the ultimate

test of those skills that I had learned and and it did but it was like it was like the best it's like I I just have such a sensibility for music and pop culture similar to ryan um ryan and sean had a quite a large playlist i made my own playlist and i think you know maybe five songs from my playlist made it into the film um same with theirs and then we had a little bit from our music team but um it was pretty hands-on experience and uh i think it's one that really i I felt like there was a moment where we could really get one of those like wonderful, just talked about soundtracks, those compilations. They're so unique to a film like guardians does, or, you know, but Deadpool is so like Deadpool, so cool that, you know,

irony is usually what best suits it. Ryan always had like a prayer in his mind and it's just the perfect tone um for the bone fight up front it was it started with a kenny logan song called the gambler that ryan's been trying to get into the deadpool movies since deadpool one and it just never quite fits great song and it just never quite fits for some reason and the bone fight was all choreographed to it and i remember the previous was like it's that song and i think the idea was oh it'd be so fun and ironic to have this like beautiful slow song with this you know visceral action and and um and bloody gore and we put and i i came in and saw that Dean had put it together and along with like the pre the pre-biz team and

the stunt team and it kind of followed a bone and the bone did this and the bone landed here and then that bone grabbed and it had a bit more choreography to it and I remember watching it no one really loved it it just wasn't working right away and this is where you know Ryan and Sean would just go hey just you know gloves, like do whatever you want to do. And I went in and I put ZZ Top Sharp Dressed Man on it. I just obliterated like any of the choreography, any of the connective tissue between. We knew we needed to have a certain amount of bones for credits, but I just got rid of anything that felt like it didn't work and was holding us down and then sort of use that commercial video brain music video brain to just make it more fun and visceral and fast and and entertaining showed everyone that and we all

agreed that it wasn't the right song it didn't feel like the tone of deadpool but it did certainly unlock us from um adhering to some rules that we'd created for ourselves that weren't working and then we then it became about like all right well what is the tone like what do we want and then it became and then we like dove into our playlist and it was like britney spears was on it backstreet boys was on it ricky martin was on it i think at one point and it was just like what what and then when we hit bye bye bye i was like it's the best song it's like one of those great bands that got you know so attacked in the 90s by the metal the new metal movement but um here they are like there's a cool factor they've still survived that time we all love that song we all know that song

it's in our blood and and what what better to show you what this film you're about to step into is it's like it's a pop culture dump it is it is blood on gore on on action on joy and uh and that's the sort of how that landed that's awesome just hearing how that evolved and even the fact that it didn't start with that kind of blows my mind because now it feels like it's one of the things people are talking about the most from the movie and making the layers of and stuff. And then Dean and I, this is how Dean and I would work is we would we would just, you know, I would take it and I'd do something. I'd give it to him. He'd mess with it. I had to give it back to me. We were so our egos were not in the way of this movie.

We as a team of editors were like always best idea wins and always showing each other things. So then it just became about, oh, I've got an idea of how we can hit this beat and let's move this around and do that there. And then we made it feel like, oh, this song feels like it was made for the movie. Now the choreography is like so in tandem

that the audience is just going to love this sort of like, you know, match cutting action onto the, you know, like when he's whipping him with the feet and it's like, bye, bye, bye. You can't imagine that the song was any different. And then that opening sequence could just absorb so many ideas. It is a microcosm of the whole film. Like you can just throw everything at Deadpool and it somehow accepts it,

absorbs it and sort of makes it its own and it's it's true for all the themes in the movie it's it's constantly toggling from like super fast quick cutty you know uh montage to drama to quieter scenes to to irony to broad comedy to you know it it's such a um a beast in that kind of way and in that opening sequence it was like we had a visual we had a teams that were pitching us title treatment ideas there would be like little dancing deadpools and animations that came from like the first few films and and then they'd be like drawing you know doing things where like when you landed on a soldier like his his eyes would bulge out as an animation and blood would stream out and as crayon and we were just playing with all these different

concepts and what we kept feeling like was like we're doing too much there's too much going on already we've got the bones and we've got the blood and we've got the song and we don't need to add much more and then that's like a hail mary our team uh at um method visual effects um randomly pitched a 3d deadpool dancing to the song so that he was like aware of the fact that he was in a in the movie and and was aware the song was playing sean and ryan flipped out went and shot it put a guy in a dead pool costume shot it and and then put it. And then that that sequence finally felt like more complete. That's awesome. And talking about the like beast that this movie is in its tone and the fact that you have scenes where you're cracking up and then you'll have a scene like the one in the

Honda Odyssey right before the fight where Hugh Jackman is just delivering this unbelievable performance and like really grounding the movie on this awesome level. What were those conversations like on how to balance the tone of this movie? You know, it's something that you, you read the script, you get that there are arcs for the characters. You understand their motivation you start to construct you know individual sequences like i i i first constructed the dean did the van fight but i did all that stuff before with the driving and then huge speech you're talking about

and you know you're you just sort of you just go off performance you just like the thing about that's so fun about the movie is that wolverine is only receiving the information that wolverine's receiving in the movie deadpool is like like ryan says like his brain's like a chewed up bagel or something like he's all over the place um commenting on the whole world and being the audience for us but but wolverine is like he's real and we got to play him real and so you just look at a scene like that and you're like well what's the most real performance and i'm not going to worry about how i'm going to get here or there or where i'm coming from i just want to nail this and then and then it's just massage it's just time it's like putting it in front of audiences and being

like you know i think that i remember in the beginning of this i was like this movie could be four and a half hours long i'm in the whole whole time, but it's not true. It's like after a while, you're like, you're doing so much of that, that you become, the audience becomes exhausted and they kind of tell you when they're not on board with what you're doing. And then you autocorrect and you remove a scene or you tighten something up. I mean, that scene with them in the car when they're driving was like two times longer. it was just like we don't need all this you know like we got to get to this sooner we need just enough to kind of bridge

this nice pool moment into here to get to something serious to then get to something wacky again and you just can't know how to do it until you start to piece it all together and certainly when you watch your first cut you're like oh my god what like you're just jerking everyone around all over the place.

But eventually you find out how to smooth it. What was now you're talking like test audience stuff. What was the secrecy level like on a movie like Deadpool and Wolverine? We hear all the time about Marvel's like lockdown secrecy. Was it like eye opening as someone coming into the universe what's funny is like i've worked with apple for five or six years in the commercial side and i think they're even more intense about their security so i've been used to it for a long time because you'll be working on like new products and and they're they're very secretive about that i remember

going to like tutorials where you'd sit and watch a tape on how their secrecy is what keeps them at number one and etc. I've grown used to it and I get it. Also, I think I want it to be a secret. Every time we're putting these scenes

together, I'm like, I don't want this to get... I'm scared of myself more than I'm scared of anyone else because I don't want to have a big mouth and i don't want to blow it and and certainly like if anything was leaked or if there was a title leaked online or someone did like i immediately have a guilty conscience and i feel like oh my god what did i do um so i'm happy to be on the other side of that and not have blown like channing or something but um uh as far as screenings went um it was a conscious choice to do and I think Marvel does this mostly but we do the screenings on the Disney lot um for Disney

employees and that way everyone's on the same team everyone gets it um they say that that they you know sometimes you want to take a film out into the wild and be in a totally different market. But Kevin Feige and Lou D'Esposito told us that when they've tested on the lot, they get very similar scores to when they would take it anywhere else. So it felt like the most secure and safe way to do it. I think we did three of them along with the friends and family that we did in New York. The first one was just very, very, very close people to us. And, you know, everyone kept their word and kept quiet. And we were so, it's so much joy to be able to see audiences

actually discover the cameos. I don't know if you felt that way when you watched it, but if you didn't spoil it for yourself. But just to see people actually get hit with it is like i think it's just so rare to do that anymore and i i even equated it's like going back i remember watching like the jurassic park trailer they would give you like nothing when i was a kid or the matrix trailer was like a tunnel that was like swirling with like keanu reeves the matrix and you just like i'm gonna go see that and you didn't know what's coming i mean matrix is probably one of the best theatrical experiences i think tarantino said that too but for most people because no one knew that stuff was coming at him and i think that's like

impossible to do these days so my hat's off to marvel for keeping it quiet and um and and i'm and we're super appreciative of anyone who saw the movie, gave us feedback and kept their word. Oh, my God. I got to see it at the IMAX in Lincoln Square in New York City, which is like, you know, one of the biggest ones sold out. Every seat was filled. And the moment where the cameos just they're not even really cameos. The supporting cast starts walking in and they're, you know, Electra and Blade. And it's just one after another Channing and even Laura,

the crowd was going insane. I'm a wrestling fan. It felt like I was like at a wrestling show. Yeah. Right. It's like rounding. Yeah. Yeah.

It's awesome. It's like, wow, what a, what a fun cathartic experience. And it's something that we only could have dreamed of, you know, and I'm sure even further back for me when when ryan and sean were putting these paper and zeb and ret and reese ret reese and paul wernick were putting all these um these scripts together and and thinking of the characters they wanted to bring back to life um i i can only imagine the satisfaction that they felt when when the audience erupted the way it did you know absolutely for you kind of a two-part question what was the most fun sequence for

you to cut and what was the most challenging for you to cut in this movie the most fun sequence for me was I got to it it was, and it was by luck of the draw, Dean and I were, we would, we would sort and and he's and he's you know and then the days might not all be back to back it might be like one two three then on the fourth day they shoot something else so he has like a good seven day window where he's kind of wrestling that scene and putting it together in a place that he could present to sean and so whatever starts to get done like i'll just jump into and it was sort of dumb luck and one of the first times that i got to prove myself to sean and ryan and dean that i was um the right hire was i i had stumbled into the void so when they land in deadpool and wolverine land into the void through them shooting each other in the ribs and headbutting each other all the way through the

fight all the way through saber tooth i kind of did that whole section and so i got that adamantium fight between the two of them and i was just like wow like this is like i'm this one person sitting here with this fight that everyone's been waiting for and i've never cut a fight sequence before um and we're just gonna see how it goes and so it was like it was like learning while doing but it was pretty effortless cutting the cutting the fight scene together like that feels impressive but it's kind of effortless but where the interesting things are are like what choices of music you use when you use them and and on all the sound design and i sound design the whole thing too so when i when i sat down with ryan and sean and dean i played them the first cut it had acdc on it um i love

tells bells it was on my playlist and i remember just the western thing i like i started those bells and i was like oh yeah this just has a like this just has a build and it's got attention and it's like and you also know when you start hearing that guitar riff, you're like, fuck, yeah. Like, give it to me, guys. Like, whatever you're doing. And so I put that together and I first showed them and Ryan, like, flipped. And we barely tweaked it. And so and then that kind of the fight kind of stayed the same pretty much all the way. And you tweak some things around it performance wise but

um that was the most fun and the most rewarding i think because it was like my first um i got some real meat to chew on in the film and i got to really prove myself to the guys and everything really changed after that because it was pretty early on and it was like oh okay like this guy's not fucking around and we're good you know and ryan's happy and and that's that's a great place to be when you're first presenting a cut and um and then the chat the most challenging one was so dean and i i i mostly had like the power room all the power room sequence with cassandra at the end dean and i would do things together on it but it was another one of those ones that just kind of fell into my lap and um it it didn't have enough big ideas in it yet it was kind of like the the idea was that they were going to go in they were going to lock arms they were going to have this sort of

centrifuge it was going to explode them and then that was kind of it was it it was more about the abs and the and there was there was a joke where deadpool was going to you know be reaching for the thing and then you pull out and you realize that he's not even close to it and he and then the music stops and he tells the music to keep going but it just didn't feel in that moment like we wanted we had just built up so much sincerity that we were like, let's just drive this home. Let's just take this feeling and not undercut it. And, and so we put it together and I, I was, I was convinced that this journey song will be really fun for it because it was a journey song called separate waves.

And it's just a very like neon song. And it was funny. And I was like, this is what it wants, right? Like these guys are ripping their shirts off and they're staring at each other and, and there's sparks and there's and there's grit and you know and it and it was undeniably like I had everyone in the VFX department and Dean and Sean like in love with it and and we were all like pushing for it and we played it for Ryan we played the whole film for Ryan and it just was like so deflating it was like i had basically just done a music video with deadpool and wolverine and it had no drama to it um and you know it wasn't like all

my fault it's like it didn't exist there but it made dean and i go we like sat down and we're like we we have to have bigger ideas here like this is leading to something and it's it's just not landing and so you know went in broke it apart restructured it went back to the madonna um orchestra and choir that was originally like what the guys wanted but they were they were indulging me on seeing because i had had so many music you know breakthroughs that they were kind of like yeah if you're feeling that like run with it and they were you know they're very cool, like creative partners, but then we all went, okay, that doesn't work. And then, and then, you know, Dean and I had to basically find a way to start to tell the story of as Cassandra's eliminating the world, how are we seeing the effect of that? We're not going to do like a Marvel thing where we see the world disappearing or people vanishing or turning into ash. So we started to think like more internal, like what does it mean to wade and so we thought about you know

the the tools that we had which were the past deadpool movies and um and the party and vanessa and we went in and dean would take some sequences and like take the plate we shot plates for like colossus and the party so we were able to do this thing where like wade's world is kind of disappearing around him and that was cool and it was effective and we were like okay this is this is what i'm feeling this i think kevin feige saw it was like if you're gonna do this for deadpool you gotta do a full wolverine this is both of their stories and we're like okay we don't have past wolverines to draw from because we can't use the other movies because he's another character. We don't have anything in the movie tangible that feels like something that he is longing for.

So I had to go in and start to build moments of the movie almost as if there were continuations of the scene. So you have the fireplace, the fire pit, and Daphne says, you know, you were always the wrong guy until you weren't. She didn't say until you weren't. But by adding until you weren't here, it was almost like you as an audience

get to see a snippet of this scene, but the rest of their life is continuing. And now we can find those extra moments that were on the cutting room floor and construct something out of it that feels like Wolverine is now going on his own memory crawl and his own acceptance of his death. And that just took a ton of time and brainpower to get right. And we did, and we feel really proud of that sequence,

but it started with not very much. That's awesome. This was a really fascinating conversation for me. So thank you for not only doing this for the time, but thank you for your work on the movie because it's one that I know I'm going to rewatch for years to come. And congratulations on the success as well. Awesome, man.

Thank you so much.