My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 389 - THE PENGUIN EPISODE 4

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

Robbie and Clem recap Episode 4 of The Penguin, entitled: “Cent'anni” - where we finally get the story behind Sofia Falcone being imprisoned as the 'Hangman' - and then Robbie describes this week's Agatha All Along to Clem. Plus the viral prime rib tweet is discussed. #ThePenguin #AgathaAllAlong **************************************** My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike! Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners. You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement, presented by Barstool Sports. It is Robbie Fox and Clem back for another Penguin Recap edition of My Mom's Basement, where as always at the end, we will recap Agatha all along, or at least I will recap Agatha all along. And I will basically tell Clem what happened this week as we're doing every week. Clem, how we doing? Doing good, Bobo. Doing good. Me and you are in a playoff gutter war right now. LCS is respectively. That could be the thing that tears apart the basement. The potential subway series could tear apart the basement. Yeah. You're

already on the record saying you hope the Mets lost like would have been an absolutely crushing elimination game that was like seven elimination games ago for us. So once if our teams go head to head in that kind of stuff, I don't even want to know where we'll end up. So I honestly kind of hope they do go head to head. I want the subway series for the basement. I'm afraid of what it could do, but I'm also excited for the potential of, you know, the content, the streams, the New York aliens, as they're calling them versus, I don't even know what you would call

the Yankee fans in the office. A lot of us are kind of nerds. I hope they call you guys the dweebs, the nerds, the Yankees, which is crazy. Cause I grew up with the Gabagool Yankee fans, the Bleacher creatures, another set of aliens in their own right. And now with Yankees fans have become, it's wild.

It's wild to see from the outside looking in, but we're here and you know what? We can all unite about a different city, Gotham, based on New York and how fucking good this show is. It's fucking amazing. It just keeps getting better. Week to week, it's like, how can the Penguin get better? You hear, oh, they're doing a flashback episode,

generally in television. You kind of roll your eyes with the flash. I'm sorry. With the blog, Horn Tate's here. He's doing a whole thing. You might also hear the office is a buzz over a sandwich, Clem. Over a sandwich. I went, we're going to get to the penguin.

We're going to get off topic for just a minute. Because yesterday was Grandpa Della Bella day. When my Grandpa Della Bella passed, my mom said, let's celebrate his life, her father, let's celebrate his life every year on that date. We'll call it Grandpa Della Bella day. So I wake up yesterday, my mom sent everyone in the family a nice little Venmo and said, get yourself something on grandpa. So I said, what can I do to, you know, spend this money and honor my Italian ass grandfather? And I went over to Eataly in New York City, a little mom and pop shop, Eataly. I don't know if you've ever heard of it.

And I got my favorite sandwich in the city. It's a prime rib sandwich, literally just meat on bread. And it's phenomenal. It's like a $30 sandwich, which sounds crazy. I'm sure to people not from New York as well. But it always lives up to the hype. Every time I've gotten it, I've been like, that was worth the $30 I spent on it. So I took a picture of my sandwich yesterday.

I tweeted it. Clem, it went viral. Five million views. Dave was quote tweet. And everyone in the office is coming over to my desk just to take a glimpse at the sandwich. I had to go back today right before we started this podcast. The whole office said we want to go to Italy with the prime rib guy So I took everyone from the office We went there and they have sold out of the bread that the prime rib sandwich comes on They said we've been hearing about the tweet all day

We're more busy than usual two guys online said we're here because of the tweet and they were upset because they don't have the normal bread They put it on the focaccia today, which is actually very good. I said, you know, the comic book fan in me was like, it's a variant. We're getting a variant cover of the prime rib sandwich, but it's still delicious. You're there for the meat. You know, the bread is an added bonus, the nice golden toasted bread.

But yeah, I'm now the viral prime rib guy. Tommy Smoke said, there's a non-zero chance that I'm gonna be on the news tonight. Yes, that is true. How amazing would it be if they renamed the prime rib sandwich the Papa Della Bella? That would be amazing. And like think of like the butterfly effect of how everything went in motion for Mama Fox to like honor his memory. And then it gets honored by naming an absolute banger of a sandwich which every Italian man dreams of I got a sandwich named

after me at the wooden spoon in nurse shell shadow captain captain conscious boy. It was like Bucket list that's number one on my bucket list and I was able to cross that off It's one of the perks of barnstool if we could name it post-mortem after Papadella Bella, oh it'd be amazing now. I will say this I would be so fucking bad if like that was my go to sandwich. And like I saved it was like my birthday I went out for lunch, and I found out the bread was not the same. And Bob, I'm gonna politely disagree with you there. The bread in a great

sandwich is one A or one B at worst to the meat no matter how good the meat is. Because that bread I imagine I've never had it. I've been thinking about this fucking tweet since you tweeted it And i'm gonna try to go on friday when I plan to be in the office But that's all I've been thinking of I need to have the og sandwich though My buddy joe lightning went and we've talked about a million times a different podcast He took a subway ride across town went there big foodie is like 100 worth it. He got the matz on it though You don't get. Oh,

yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I get it plain. But everyone is saying if you add some fresh mozz, if you add the the horseradish sauce, people were saying maybe some aoe to dip in. I'm fine with all that. I'm more of a plain guy. Yeah, exactly. They wanted some of that. I'm fine with a very plain sandwich. Generally, when I order stuff, I take toppings off. I'm kind of a meat and bread guy. So this is the perfect sandwich. The only issue is it's the Joe Exotic meme. Like I will never financially recover from being the prime rib guy. People are saying do the prime rib tweet like it's Dan Abear's doing the beer tweet. It doesn't cost him $30 to do a beer tweet. So Italy, listen, I've given a lot of free press. I would love like a gift card.

I'm not even asking for like free for life. Maybe just a free prime rib, a free prime rib. I'd like that. One free prime rib and name it after Papa Della Bella. That's all we're asking. I would even rather them do it the Della Bella special or something and then, you know, whatever. I'll give them a $50 gift card to the Barstool Sports Store if they name it after Pappadella, but they could make money on this deal if they make it all happen.

I mean, I was expecting a line out the door today with how this tweet popped off. We'll see, you know, what the future holds. Maybe they'll cater my wedding. That'd be nice. I've been throwing a lot of things out there into the universe that just happened. They've been coming true. I've been had a lot of luck this year. So I'm going to throw that out into the universe as well. And I can only imagine your mentions I had some hard-o got in my mentions about quote 20 feeling only in New York what they name the best sandwich after chain Shut the fuck. I just want to say to all the internet haters because I just do the mute button now every time I do

So I don't like shut the fuck up. Try the sandwich. You like it. You like it You don't you don't people seem to think it's pretty fucking good and our boy large has somehow never had it I'm gonna play plan on going with him next time. I'm in the office. I am dying with anticipation for it though All right, so let's get into the penguin We're gonna tell everyone about game time first and then we'll get into the the meat of why you're here. How about that? Game time the best sponsor in the business. We love getting out to live events, whether it's a concert, football game, comedy show, we always use Game Time.

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What time is it? Game time. You know what I'm gonna tell you about Game Time, Bob? What's that? Say Game Time is a good ticketing app. Game Time is a good ticketing app. Not good, the best. He gave us a little Oz Cobb, yeah. And let's talk about Oz Cobb, because as we teased at the beginning of this podcast, episode four of The Penguin, outrageously good.

I said, you fear flashback episodes, especially Bookaboo with Fett on this podcast. You fear a Bakhti tank, a flashback to that. They took a flashback origin story episode. They made it my favorite episode of the series so far, one of the best flashback episodes I've ever seen. And they've taken Sophia Falcone, the hangman from the long Halloween comic. She's got roles in comics, dark victory here and there, but she's never been like a main Batman villain. Kristen Milioti, I think that's how you say her last name, has played this character so well and stolen every scene she's in to the point where I think she's one of the more compelling Batman characters

we've seen in quite some time. Even the fact that they gave us a little bit of Ozcob this week, but not a ton, the fact that they took it away from him and still made it as good and as compelling and as captivating as they did this week, but not a ton. The fact that they took it away from him and still made it as good and as compelling and as captivating as they did this week, blew my mind. Every scene got better than the next. They showed us a lot of different sides of Gotham this week. We opened with, you know, a very bright like gala fundraiser event in Gotham. Doesn't look like it normally does.

And then as the episode progresses, it gets darker and darker and dare I say scarier because Arkham Asylum hasn't been that scary since Grant Morrison wrote the fucking comic insane. I said this I think it was like our first episode when we were talking about some of the reviews that had come out and I said the best thing that can happen what I hope happens is that and I have to just get her name right here. It's Christina Milioti, right? Milioti. I think it's Kristen. Kristen Milioti, Milioti. I'll figure it out. Regardless. We'll figure it out. Yeah. Out of respect to her, we'll figure it out. Yes. That's, that is how good this show is, is I have to

no longer call her the mother from How I Am My Mother. I have to no longer call her the girl from Palm Springs, which everyone always says, I always think it's so funny. Everyone always goes, what's the best comedy of the 2020s? Cause it does feel like comedies have gotten kind of dusted, like throw it on the shelf by Hollywood because they don't make enough money and cause every week you get canceled for any inappropriate joke it seems. And Palm Springs is always the best one. She's awesome in that it's basically Groundhog, a groundhog day movie. But I think I said, the best case scenario that I can say with the show is I will look at her as

Sophia Falcone more than the mother or the girl from Palm Springs and I'll learn how to pronounce her name. And you know what? We're on path for that happening. And this episode was the absolute hammer. This is the, for your consideration to the Emmys. I'm going to say she deserves an Emmy, even though I don't watch any other TV shows that might be even nominated. You can just say shit like that on the internet and people might click your blog or read your posts or listen to your podcast. So that's what we're going to do. Christina Millio. God damn it. I don't know her

name. Yeah. All right. Sophia Falcone deserves an Emmy. We're going to just call her Sophia Falcone. It's like, again, I said it was like Tommy Carcetti becoming Littlefinger from The Wire into Game of Thrones. She's now Sophia Falcone. That's almost so much respect I'm putting on her. I'm not even going with her name right now. So Sophia Falcone deserves an Emmy. This show probably deserves an Emmy. Colin Farrell deserves an Emmy. We deserve an Emmy for podcasting. Everyone gets an Emmy. Emmy'srell deserves an Emmy. We deserve an Emmy for podcasting. Everyone gets Emmys. Emmys for everybody, the old Oprah meme.

And this doesn't only make me love the actress that plays Sophia more, it makes me actually understand and appreciate the character of Sophia. It makes me appreciate Alberto a little bit. Like, you know, from the little we saw of Alberto in the opening episode, we were like, what a fucking dickhead. We want this guy dead. We were happy that he was killed in the little we saw of Alberto in the opening episode, we were like, what a fucking dickhead.

We want this guy dead. We were happy that he was killed in the first five minutes of the episode. And then you see, oh no, she got fucked by her family and he was really the only one sticking by her side through all of it. So you see, the episode begins with last week's conclusion from a different perspective. You get to stick with Oz and Sofia as they're being held at gunpoint and Victor's, you know, seeing all this from afar. You see that Moroni's wife actually tells Sofia that Oz killed Alberto. And that was an oh fuck moment two seconds into the episode where you're like, Oh my God, you feel the weight of that and how betrayed she felt the way she played it in her eyes, the way immediately Colin Farrell is almost ignoring her, like pretending she doesn't even exist right there

and still pleading with Moroni. It was so well done, such an oh fuck moment. Her calling the therapist, it makes sense while you're going back to how she got here, because the therapist plays a big role in all of it and he's kind of weaved in and out. But you understand why she's as cutthroat as she is and why she's kind of as, I don't want to say crazy

as she is, but she was someone who did not go into Arkham very crazy. She's someone that certainly left a different person than the Sophia that went in there. And we got a shout out Mark Strong. They had to recast John Turtururo's car mine Falcon in this episode I thought it was phenomenal like you could tell he looks a little different which still works because it's a flashback So you could buy that he's a little younger, but he played Carmine exactly as John to Turo did very very

Scary in just his eyes the way he's talking to Sophia at certain points and saying, you're not right. Like you're going crazy. What happened to my little girl? You're like, is he about to try to strangle her right now? You don't know what he's doing. You're constantly guessing. So again, there's not enough great things and compliments.

I could pay this episode, but Mark Strong deserves a big one. Yeah, he definitely, he gets lost in the shuffle because there was just so much stuff. And I kind of felt the same way about you. I'm going back to every podcast we've done so far reacting to it. I'm like, um, that's the old, uh, Thanos. I mean, maybe I was too harsh on you, Alberto, cause he was like a prick hard out. And I'm sure, you know, I'm sure if I saw more of him, I would have hoped someone was going to shoot him sooner or later, but it's like most of these characters just like dickheads and hardos in real life like came from a hard family life and you know was addicted to a bunch of shit and Was kind of just a prick and let's be honest penguin is a prick the biggest thing

I think I got out of all this especially you find out the stuff with Sophia and the stuff way He's treated other people and the stuff the way he's probably gonna treat Vic at some point We're gonna like they want you rooting for the bad guy. I'm not falling for the fucking the the Bain HBO I'm already like subconsciously hating penguin and like kind of rooting against him under the table because I know You guys are gonna throw it right back in her face I can see it coming from a mile away And I'm also really proud of us Bob Bob, for not being too hard on Sophia, because I think we could have been real hard on her,

hangman stuff, and just, you know, she was kind of like the antagonist to him for a little bit. And I'm proud of her for not jumping on it, because you learn, like, she not only was like out of life, she was a good person trying to help people, and her own, it be your own people sometimes, you know? They threw her in the fucking, inham. It's it was a fucking nightmare, dude. I had to like, I didn't like kind of like look away at some point. It was really disturbing. I

couldn't do the electricity stuff. It kind of just freaked me out, man. So just and then the way the character progresses too. It's like, again, this is everything we've ever wanted in basically all these comic book shows. And the best part is it doesn't lean on Batman for a minute. Obviously you have Arkham, obviously you have Penguin, but they are not central to the storyline at all in terms of their like, in terms of being out of the comic book. It's fucking everything I've wanted and hopefully a template for other shows to do, to make shows going forward.

It feels nice to be able to recommend this to everybody. And I have been recommending it to everybody. Like in the office, I'm like, I promise you, you don't have to like Batman. You don't have to even have seen the movie. It's gonna help of course, but Glennie Balls is watching this, loving it every week. He hasn't seen the Batman and he's fine with that.

Like it's such a good universal mob show. It just feels more like a mob show than it does a comic book show. And that's the right way to go. Like lean on your influences. Obviously we've talked about the Sopranos, the Breaking Bad influence, but they bring in even probably horror influences in the Arkham scenes. Like we'll skip around a bit and talking about the episode, but just Arkham Asylum itself, when she gets in there, the score changes and it feels a little more Danny Elfman in the score. There's a lot of like piercing violins and stuff when they're doing the stuff where looking in her mouth and getting the things. I didn't like that at all, but they make you feel as scared

as she is to the point where you get to that scene where she's at the cafeteria she looks to her left and she's like or her right whatever she says why is she unchained like why is she unchained and she starts having that like you feel the panic attack building in her and then the fight scene happens that lady that played the unchained crazy prisoner holy shit another great performance from her. Give her an Emmy. Emmy, Emmy right away because she made me feel so scared. Oh my God.

And just everything about Arkham, the doctors, the way that they were manipulating even Magpie, who's an obscure Batman villain who they brought into this, a very good use of that. It wasn't just a cameo point at the screen. A lot of people probably didn't even know who Magpie was. Hand up, I thought it was Harley Quinn at first. As I kind of thought it could have been as well

when they just showed the eyes and the way she's talking. Yeah. But they bring you through where you start to feel paranoia. You don't know if Magpie is working for one of the doctors and the doctors, holy fuck, they're hateable. The main doctor, Julian Rush is is a little you don't know Whether or not you could trust him even by the end of the episode I didn't know whether or not Sophia liked him trusted him if there was something romantic there if she was gonna stab him in

The heart I didn't know what to think of rush, but everything about Arkham it almost felt like a different show for a little bit, but in a Not in a bad way, you know it just took a little a little environment change even the scene with Alberto that we saw a little bit, but in a, not in a bad way. You know, it just took a little, a little environment change. Even the scene with Alberto that we saw a little bit in the, in her dream sequence, you see like the real conversation, his panic when he realizes their dad is in the judges fucking pockets and they're not getting, getting a trial. It's like, you thought this was six months, get ready to spend the next 10 years of your life in this hellhole.

And then her breaking and her fucking slamming the head. I hesitate to just say the show's amazing. I sound like a broken record, but there wasn't a single wasted scene in this show. And we're like, we haven't even talked about a lot of the main stuff that's happened in this episode. Just that Arkham diversion was amazing. What do we use as the fancy like poster quote, like amazing might be a little too like hip. It's not good enough is braising isn't a good word. Yeah, yes. Like I'm trying to think what'll get us on the season two poster or you know

the DVD or the digital thing you you know, breathtaking my mom's basement. It must watch. I must watch. Yes. Watch on this. That's a bar stool brand there. The must watch as well. Must watch all uppercase, maybe some bold. If you want to talent size it a little bit. Definitely. I am, I am all in for that. And it's the, so when she gets thrown in Arkham, I'm thinking, Oh man, we're going to get kind of that feeling of just how terrifying it is to be your first night in an insane asylum. When you're not insane, you're going to hear the people who are the crying,

the moaning, the laughing, the screeching. And then they're like, Oh, no, she's going to have someone right next to her who could see into her cell getting in her head. And then you're going to have someone who is legitimately she, and the fact she notices immediately she's unchanged. Why is she unchanged? That's what was more horrifying than having the person come at you is that you know, there's something up there. You know your dad has people in his pocket all over the judicial law enforcement system. And you know what I consider that when she was unchained and going towards

her, I make this analogy a lot. So forgive me if I've done it before, but it's like when you're in the ocean and there's a giant wave and you're like, it's too far out to dive through and you're too far from the beach to get in and you're going, I'm about to get my ass kicked. And that she did just got her ass ass absolutely pummeled. It was, it was incredible. And it, this did a good, good, one very important thing for me. It reminded me why I've never watched Oz. Because this is what I imagine Oz is like.

I haven't either, but I've heard bad things. Not, you know, good things, but bad things. Good things, but bad things, yes. And then the backstory of The Hangman itself I want to talk about because they did a very good job of not making it super predictable But when you look back and you think of how Carmine was in the Batman in the movie with the strangulation Like it all makes sense. It all falls into piece like a puzzle where they go through the whole backstory of Sophia's mother Hung herself. So Sophia, you know is starting a fundraiser charity for mental illness and stuff, which is another good theme in The Batman. They talk about his mother, Martha Wayne,

having to be committed to Arkham at some point. Another thing where you're like, was she actually committed to Arkham? Now I'm second guessing that. Did Carmine have her fucking committed? Did she really have the mental health issues that they talked about in the paper and the press, whatever, but we'll get to that in The Batman too, I'm sure.

They go through this whole thing where a reporter comes to Sophia and brings up these murders that have happened, or we think that they're murders at least because all of these women reportedly died by hanging, but their marks on their necks look more like someone choked them. Also, all of the women worked at either the Iceberg Lounge or the 44 below or a business is owned by Carmine. So she's implying something here. You can tell Sophia feels conflicted where she wants to defend the family. She wants to be like, absolutely not. We're Falcons. We're fucking fine. Don't talk to reporters. Don't talk to press. None of that. At the

same time, she's second guessing whether or not her mom was killed and whether or not her mom maybe hung herself, maybe was killed. She thinks back, she sees the scratch marks in her memory on Carmine's hands, a great little detail there. And then she eventually does go and talk to the reporter, I think just for peace of mind more than anything. She didn't want to expose Carmine. She just wanted to know for herself.

Unfortunately, Oz sees all of that. As her driver, of course, has to drive for the meetup. He tells her not to meet with reporters. She's kind of like mind your own business. And then he goes and tells Carmine. And even that scene where she walks in, he's wearing the new suit and she's like, what are you doing inside Oz?

And it's like, she doesn't realize it's almost the good fellas. Like you don't realize you're about to get whacked, metaphorically whacked, cause you're gonna go to prison that night But he's just very Standoffish very he doesn't even want to look her in the eyes almost cuz he just sold her out to Carmine And then he has to give her the news Hey, your father wants to see you and you know what that means right away, you know what that reminds me of?

It's when ruse Bolton is kind of a little off with the Starks before the Red Wedding and then he shows her that he has the armor on and she puts it all together and I was like, oh the penguin, you dirty little rat, you dirty little... That new suit is the armor, you're right. Yeah, you're supposed to be loyal. Penguins are supposed to be, well he hates to name Penguin, which I guess is like we're learning a lot about how he was viewed by others. Obviously Alberto kind of shits on him, but it just makes it all the more heartbreak Sophia stands up for him And granted she could be a little tough with him. But like at the point where I think she was probably She's a very good person and I'd credit she was ready to become the fucking heir to the you know, criminal empire

But still like just a good fucking person and it's it's fucking terrible, man Uh, I had to mention this because I had heard it and our boy heavy spoilers breakdown In the comic books or at least one of the stories or whatever. I don't know how it all goes. I believe As we know Carmine Carmine has a thing about choking women out and he kills Isabella the mom Because she was a Moroni and she was basically sent as a spy, a Trojan horse, for the Moroni's to spy on him and whether or not it was a true marriage

or she was just doing it for the family, right? And is that, so you've read that story or you've seen that? Yes, that's confirmed and also in the comics, Sophia is the hangman. Like they refer to Sophia as the hangman and stuff. Alberto has his own stuff going on in the comics, Sophia is the hangman. Like they refer to Sophia as the hangman and stuff. Alberto has his own stuff going on in the comics as well. It's interesting because a lot of the Batman was inspired by the long Halloween. There's like a holiday killer kills on holidays, but they took all of the stuff that they didn't

use in the Batman and they kind of pushed it to the Penguin. So both properties are very inspired by this one comic, The Long Halloween, which if you haven't read it, I think is one of the best Batman comics ever written, if not the best. And we might do that for a comic book club at some point, because it weaves in so well with Penguin and all of this that I think it would be fun to like, maybe do that after we're done with the Penguin. I'm looking, Bob, it's so funny you say that as you were saying that I looked up, uh, to see if we have like a, like the saga book, like they had with, uh, yeah. Oh, they got it. 384 pages. I'm looking at it right now. And I'm like, I'll just take it just for the, I feel like if you're a Batman person, would this be on the Mount Rushmore of

absolutely a must read. If you're a Batman person, this must read, put that on there. Absolutely. A must read if you're a Batman person. This must read. Put that on there as well. Must read. It's one of the main Batman detective stories where you actually see Batman being the world's greatest detective. You actually see the mob.

Johnny Viti's in the book for a little bit. Alberto Carmine. You see that mob side of Gotham. You see all of the villains because he doesn't know who the killer is. So he has to pretty much go and talk to every Batman villain you got all the iconic ones It's absolutely amazing. So put that on everyone's radar if you want to order it on Amazon now or go to your local comic store They'll probably have the long Halloween in stock. That'll probably be the next comic book club with Jose But yeah

she goes and talks to Carmine and he gives her the talk like you were supposed to be the air and In the beginning that it was almost a house of The dragon esque scene lady Fox right away She was like he wants the the girl to be the the heir to his throne and everyone else in the family is gonna Look at that a little crooked and they're gonna be like that's not really tradition, but he's like listen you got me I'm the only person you need I'm to make you the fucking king of all this. And you know, all the everything the light touches will be yours. And he feels so betrayed that she would go and talk to the reporter.

And on the way home, he has a penguin driver home. He's like, yeah, you know, get her out of here. They get pulled over. Penguin has to act like he doesn't know what's going on. He's yelling at the cops and shit. And you just know, oh, you're in for a lifetime of hell and you start to add up. All right, this is why Penguin was so skittish when she walked into the room. I thought you were at Arkham. It

wasn't just because he was afraid of her. It wasn't just because she was a wild card. It's because this motherfucker sold her out. And as we saw last week, he's like, I don't regret it. A guy like me gets all this. He was very still in line with his actions. But now he's in a fucking world of pain. When Sophia gets out of that situation with the Morones and everything, she goes to rush or therapist. This show is now a fucking it's a what do they call it a two leg race. It's just two people gone in for the top of

Gotham because by the end of the episode, then Sophia goes into the Falcone family. She makes a big scene. They're talking about, are you going to Italy? Are you not going to Italy? She gives that amazing speech at dinner where she's a wild card. She's got different eyeliner on too. They said that's kind of like her putting on her mask. Yeah. And she's got, you know, more of a rugged look. She's got the yellow dress on. And then she takes the little girl from last week that her cousin was a little, you know, scared of her being around the little girl. She takes her out of the house late at night. You're like, what's happening? She opens a window. She's talking

to the little girl in the greenhouse all night about slumber parties. I used to sleep in the greenhouse with my brother and stuff. She goes back into the house at night throws a gas mask on and you realize she poisoned that fucking house. I don't know if it was carbon monoxide, I don't know if it was general gas poison, whatever it might have been. She takes the thing out of the ventilator system. Everyone's dead except Johnny Viti.

She opened his window, so I don't know if she's gonna pin it on Johnny Viti, if she's just gonna use him as a pawn use his connections Whatever we'll find that out next week. But even that ending to the episode It was like we got so many oh fuck moments from her finding out that Oz killed Alberto To her getting set up and the entire backstory of Carmine being the real hangman Huge oh fuck moment. Even the arrest was an oh fuck moment Everything in Arkham was it was a 10, 15 minute, 20 minute oh fuck sequence. And then the ending of it being like, Oh my God, she just did the all time power play in Gotham took out all of the Falcons. Now it's just her and us who is going to run the mob scene in Gotham with the triads and

everyone. I mean, at this point, Batman might need to take notice. Like I know we're saying you don't need Batman in the show is Batman going to be like, who the fuck killed all the Falcons? Like they, they were like two birds with one stone for me. Batman's just chilling at the cave right now. It's like, this is why I don't kill people. They usually end it themselves and I get to have a clean sleep at night because I didn't murder anybody. No blood on my hands. That killing scene or, you know, when you see that, realize that she killed all the people, but she had like the heart to let the little girl live,

which obviously you love, even though she turned little girl to an orphan, but hey, like gotta crack some eggs and make an omelet, right? Like an omelet of revenge, who centered a fucking Arkham for 10 years, all those people. And we did say, we felt like Johnny Viti was gonna get like the good death

that you remember and it's trending that way. And I don't know which way it's gonna go, but you tell first of all it's an oh fuck episode it's an oh fuck episode oh fuck scenes oh fuck moments oh fuck sequence like you said in our room for like 50 to 20 minutes oh fuck revenge and I feel like the music was really good to us you're kind of figuring it all out I imagined it was like a carbon monoxide thing I think it was in the yes I thought something like that I don't know how it all out. I imagined it was like a carbon monoxide thing. I think it was in the boiler. I thought so too. Something like that. I don't know how it all works. And then I even realized like she opened the window when she was smoking the cigarette and just left it open in Johnny Deeney's room. And obviously she wants him alive, whether it's to

torture him, to get stuff out of him, to pin it on him, whatever it may be. And the fact we have that bomb still up in the air. We have the bomb of her finding out about Alberto up in the air And but we also got all these moments where stuff we either like learned about or resolved. It's crazy, man That's how you fucking TV right there. That's how you fucking TV. That's oh, excuse me It's not TV a stage BL that used to be their tagline back in the day because it was elevated and this shit is elevated just like you know all those old wire sopranos all those old great shows from back in the day this is why it deserves that 9pm slot on Sunday night and why it's an HBO show not a Mac show. I like you talking about the bomb someday you just can't get rid of a bomb you know

what I'm saying. I also got to say this. Julian sus list. There's a major sus list in the end. She's getting a little she's getting close. They're getting like almost face to face nose to nose. I didn't know if they were going to kiss or if she was going to kill him. She was saying, you know, you put me through it. You were part of it. And he his role in that is interesting. She's like mad that he abandoned her in Arkham and couldn't look out for her, but it seems like he left because he didn't agree with everything the doctor was doing. So it's like, I still don't really know what to think of Julian, but absolute sus list.

Sus list all the way. Um, it's like, keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. Like the guy, it's like when one guy's the bad guy, and then there's a guy who's helping out the good guy. Is he the good guy? But sometimes he's worse than the bad guy, you know? And he is almost the good guy at this point. It's almost like, I think it would be rooting for Sophia in the show. It's like, she's the protagonist.

Like you said, Penguin, they make us like him, and they try to lull us into this sense of like, oh, he's a likable guy. We know by the end of the series, they're gonna create a villain out of him. Yet again, this is kind of going to be his villain origin story, even though he was already in the Batman. You have to make us fucking hate that guy by the end and make us be like,

there needs to be a mass vigilante that takes him down. Yes, exactly. Four episodes in, though we got four episodes left. I said the bold statement of, and I don't think I'm even using hyperbole when I say this, if the next four episodes or even just the same quality as the previous four, I'm not asking for better,

the same quality as the first four, I think this is going to be one of my favorite seasons of television ever, and I think I will go back and just rewatch this season. Like, especially as a Batman fan who just loves being in Gotham City This is fucking everything I've ever wanted out of a Batman show and I know they were talking about doing like a Gotham City Please show they were talking about doing an Arkham Asylum show Give me all of that as long as Matt Reeves is as involved as he is in this one I'm ready to light the trust the Reeves sign in the basement and make it fucking illuminate like the bat signal itself

Yeah, that's a good point It does make the the Batman better on the rewatches now and it's gonna make you more excited for part two And it's funny you said about like rewatching because I think was Jack Mack was like he's like alright Like how many of the Batman's do I watch I was like dude? It's just one it's like three hours long be just watching at home and I was like and it's one of those movies It's it's like grounded just like the show that's what I appreciate it It feels like the Batman where it's like it's not over-the-top billowing and I watch Batman returns and Jim Carrey looking like Showing his asshole on your faces up

Feels like it could happen in real life if you would have really twisted super smart person doing stuff, right? Yeah, it's it's awesome It's everything. I basically- It's morally written everything about it. Like this week felt like so many things just fell into place where it was stuff that you're like, I didn't predict that, but it probably should have because everything that they've showed us has led to that point. We're learning a lot about this. Like we're learning about these characters and this world as it goes. And I think we'll have a better hand on it all. And I'm thinking like Sophia did this and this is like masterpiece the whole revenge plan where she kills everyone in their sleep and I've mentioned this movie on the pot a bunch and I'm going to say it again. It gave me big time lucky number seven vibes and I won't go into spoilers but check that if that's a one of my go to like climb name a movie I haven't seen yet, or probably haven't seen yet that you'd recommend.

And that's always at the top of the list. Prestige is one prestige is much more known to the public. Lucky number 11 is two. Those are always my top two. So check out a lucky number 11. I just love a good, it is a good movie. And, uh, two other things here. One, the word luncheon, we got to stop using that word. That trip you up, they said

luncheon like six different. They said it a bunch in this episode. Or we just gonna have to learn that's how they talk in Gotham. Or maybe that's the Gotham thing. Yeah, it's popular phrase in Gotham. And two, I don't want to like, I feel like we've been a little more high brow, we're talking Emmys, we're talking great television. I don't want to put us down in the gutter, you know, cause everyone looks at parcel that way, but I gotta just say it about me. If you got Sophia, that yellow dress, I was going, Oh God. All right. They knew what they were doing. They knew exactly what they were doing. Someone, there was some tweet that said like they threw her in Arkham because her body was too much tea or whatever

I don't even know what the phrase is on Twitter, but it's all over Stanford There was a funny tweet of Barry Keegan's Joker from the end of Batman where they just show like his face for a second and they're like I know this guy was having a ball in Arkham It does it makes me want like a Batman trapped in Arkham movie. That would be a fucking sick movie as well, where it's just all of the villains. I was almost expecting little cameos when she's walking past the cells. I'm almost glad they didn't do that.

It would feel a little like cheap just pointing at the villains. Someone like Magpie showing up, that works. Like even the doctors, if the doctor comes down, steps down, I could see Dr. Hugo Strange going in and being that like their Batman villains you could pull in that aren't just like, here's Mr. Freeze, here's Two-Face, like save those for the movie. Give us more grounded ones in the show, I think. I feel like the, heavy spoilers again, I think there was something with the headline about fire and they're like, oh, it could be this guy, but it's like very little. Firefly maybe? with the headline about fire and they're like, Oh, it could be this guy, but it's like very little fly. Maybe firefly I believe was the guy he mentioned. Um, or it could be like a name on a wall in the distance. Like they don't hammer you over the head with it. And this is basically the nicest thing I can say.

And I thought of this once you were saying how much it could be your, like one of your favorite standalone seasons of TV. It's kind of checks out in my book. I know it was a little divisive. I think part of that was like the whole anti-woke bullshit. This is up there. It's not up there yet, because I consider it one of the best single seasons of TV where there was no follow-up.

And it's ironic, because comic book as well. Watchmen, this is Watchmen. We're on the path of Watchmen right now in my mind, which wasn't even, I don't know if we had said it before this season, I didn't think we were gonna make it there. And I think we're on the path of Watchmen right now in my mind, which wasn't even, I don't know if we had said it before this season, I didn't think we were gonna make it there and I think we're on our way there, which is crazy to think about.

Because think, dude, all this shit that Sophia did that was amazing. Oz has like found, like, wiggled his way of all these pickles as well. It's kind of, and like they're on a collision course right now and I think you've alluded to a bunch, Victor's in the goddamn target of these two collision course. He's the train, he's the guy right in the middle

of two trains going to a head, unfortunately. I hope Sophia makes it out of the season. Like I don't want to see her killed. I don't think she's going to be running Gotham by the end of it. I think there's a chance she gets set up again somehow by Oz and winds up back in Arkham or something But I want her to continue. I mean we don't even know if they're gonna do a second season of this show

I know Colin Farrell's kind of like listen I'm real tired of putting that makeup on give me a little break But we need a second season of the show after the Batman like I hope they're rewriting the Batman to make sure Oz makes it out of that season alive too because holy shit Everything about this is amazing, right? I have no critique on episode four whatsoever. Everything about it was fucking great. No notes. That's what the kids said.

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oh my God, we got an episode tonight. It's sort of something that I remember I have to watch for the podcast. So I'm going in with a much different mindset. I actually thought this week was okay. It was a very short episode. Heavy spoilers tweeted about this as well. And it's like, I don't understand why Marvel keeps delivering 25 minute episodes when that's been the main criticism towards this stuff for years, even beyond Marvel, just Disney plus shows. Some of the Star Wars shows were like right when the episode is picking up, the acolyte

had this issue. It's over. The credits hit it 20 minutes and you're like, well, that's weird because it said 35 minutes on the runtime, but they got to give you the credits in every fucking language on earth. So this episode was okay. It was called Darkest Hour, Wake Thy Power. And we get a little bit of Agatha's backstory in this as well. You know, remember, we remember the, in Wandavision,

you get a little flashback to her, like, killing the Coven of Witches in like 16, whatever, in Salem and her trial. We learn a little bit about the Salem Seven, who they talked about in episode one. They were coming after Agatha. Agatha was very worried about the Salem Seven. We learned about the Salem 7. We learned that the Salem 7 is actually the daughters of the witches she killed in Wand Division, which as soon as they said that, I was like, all right, I could fuck with that. I could kind of get in on that their own revenge story. They all come out of the ground and they're animals. So like one comes out as a fox, one comes out as a fucking, I think one is an owl or something.

And then they like turn into witches or whatever. They got the animalistic features. And Rio has been defending Rio's Aubrey Plaza's character who we think is deaf. She's the only one kind of defending Agatha and what she did to their mothers. I think more hints that she is deaf. When people are like she killed so and so Aubrey Plaza death is like, it's not all bad. You know what I'm saying? And I think in the original Wandavision scene where she's on trial, there's a chance that she was on trial for giving up her son for the Darkhold. There's a lot of talk about that in this episode, giving up the son. We also find out she probably didn't give up the son when he was a baby, because she hears his voice a lot through this episode being like, mom, please, no.

So he's at least old enough to like beg for mercy and she did it anyway which makes her pretty fucked up she takes a dark turn in this episode it's it's it's getting uh it's getting a little darker it sounds like as a whole it is and that's sort of what i liked about this episode it still had kind of like cheesy like fun stuff later on. But I mean, not I shouldn't even say later on, because the next scene is them creating witch brooms, which was a little cheesy. But it's like if you're doing a witch show, you got to have a scene where they fucking fly on the brooms. They call them Hexen Bessens or Hexen Bessens, I think, which is the German word for witch brooms.

I was like, all right, I could fuck with that a little bit. They do the Latin chant. They have to like work together to make the witch brooms. I was like, all right, I can fuck with that a little bit. They do the Latin chant. They have to like work together to make the witch brooms. And then there's a scene where they're flying. They do the ET shot where they're all flying with the moon silhouette in the background into a red blood moon. Actually a cool shot.

Any laughs, any witches laughs during that? Yes, yes. Aubrey Plaza does like the wicked witch. She literally does like that. So that was pretty, and she's the only one like having fun. Everyone's afraid for their lives. And she's laughing through all of it. She's death. Exactly. She's like, I might get a couple of like check off a couple of boxes here.

If these people fall off their rooms, is there a cauldrons as well? Cauldrons and hats. Not yet. I bet we'll get to a called. I don't think we got cauldrons yet. Hats, pretty hats. Not yet. No, I don't. I don't want to stereotype you like, please respect the witches. We do not know what Pony had said is a, you know, the the white male mainstream media hasn't painted us. Yes. They fly into one of the Salem sevens called Vertigo.

And this scene I hated has fucking cicadas coming out of her mouth Shit, no horrible horrible. I hated that and then the next trial that they go to is like 80s themed So it's a cabin and it's like a sleepaway camp. There's board games. There's fucking everyone's got headbands on perms another Uh wand division inspired thing where you're giving us a different vibe for the episode. And the team loses the spell book at one point. He's going crazy. I think maybe Agatha stole his spell book, but they find a Ouija board, classic eighties sleep over vibe, whatever the Ouija board. The first thing that spells out is Mrs. Heart, which

when they were spelling it out, like they just spelled that Mr. Short. It was I can't unsee that now. They Mrs. Heart, aka Mr. Short. And then they spell out death. And Rio is like smiling and laughing about it. And then Agatha becomes possessed by her mother. And she's possessed she's like on the fucking ceiling They make her makeup look like the exorcist fucking Linda Blair. It's creepy. It's like actually a little bit scary you're getting the Halloween vibes in this episode more than you have and The mother Evanora is like coming back to punish Agatha. She tells her at one point you were born evil I should have killed you the second you got out of the womb. It was like, like, again, we're going from like Hocus

Pocus Disney channel shit. And then there's a line like that. And you're like, Oh my god, that got dark quick. And Alice, the hot topic, which is trying to help her by pulling the possession, the energy out of her. But Agatha in like a self-defense, hits her with magic back, cause she like got hit with magic, so she now has it and she kills her. She fucking kills Alice. And it's like not something she wanted to do necessarily,

but it's also not something she's like too bummed about. The other witches are going crazy about it. And the other witches are very upset. The Ouija board then spells Nicholas scratch, which was like her son. And the teen says that name. So once he says the name, you know, it's not his name, because he can't say his own name. She gets very emotional, but also creepy. She kind of gets in the teens face about it and mentions his mother and says like, you're just like your mother. He possesses the other witches, throws Agatha into the mud, then throws the other witches

into the mud. And then a crown forms on his head and you see he's got magic in his hands and it's blue magic but it looks like Wanda's magic a little bit. He is confirmed as Wanda's child, Billy Maximoff, AKA Wiccan in this episode. So the ending is him forming a crown and then Billy Eilish plays like the, you should see me in a crown song. Honestly, not a bad episode.

Again, it's not like it wasn't amazing. I didn't even love the reveal. I felt that like the reveal was pretty obvious. I think we're even gonna get an obvious death reveal at one point, but it's not a show that I'm dreading It's just a show that isn't hooking me, you know That's a that's a bonus kind of where we were with Marvel clearly the opposite side of the spectrum of the penguin these days Where I yeah, it's tough to compare them week to week as well

like Marvel has a show that I would give like a two or three out of ten and Penguin has a show that it would give a ten out of ten so far so it's tough right now the Agatha's mom worse than the mom in blow because I consider Ever to grace a screen we're checking the list of like the random movies that come up on my mom's basement Low is definitely one of them not worse than the mom and blow. Not worse than the mom and blow. I mean, she's bad, obviously. She's possessing her daughter and saying,

I should have killed you when you were a baby. Still not worse than the mom and blow. She wouldn't call the police on her, you know, when he's just trying to see his daughter. And she probably did say that to George Young. I George, I wish I never had you. I wish I had bought you when you were still in my womb. Yeah, if I can pack sack her.

I wish I had bought a jet when you were still in my womb. Yeah, I can pack soccer Yeah, so uh Agatha is a Step up this week from last week But yeah, I just I can't recommend it like I can the penguin. I have to say that Like this is kind of eye-opening to me that it's like Marvel versus DC like mom now Like now Marvel has to look across the aisle. We've talked about this a bunch. It's like the Monday night wars with the wrestling. Now there's two companies and they might not be in direct competition, but like tit for tat.

And at some point it's going to be like, shit, like these guys stepped their game up. We got a match. And now like new guy came in town and we got fucking, we got NWO going on over there. We already got Penguin. We already got Batman. We have all this stuff that's hitting and a Marvel still is, you know, they have some winners, Guardians, which unfortunately is James Gunn's thing.

But they've had some some good movies over the time and some TV shows here and there. But they they're they're playing from behind right now. We mentioned this. I don't know if we I don't think we brought it up on an episode Green Lantern just filled the role with the guy from Rebel Ridge, which we both love. What's his name again? Do you know his name? I don't remember his name He's guy from Rebel Ridge. I wanted to know his name here, but I said to you I said this feels like back in the Aaron here Aaron Aaron Pierre This feels like the Monday Night Wars where you hear this guy sign with this company,

be like, oh shit, and they're priving bidding wars, and like Marvel wanted him for this character, DC wanted him for this character, and that's a big ass character that DC has not done a good job filling, at least for a casual like me. I don't know if they have had any good stuff that I haven't watched.

He looks like Jon Stewart too. He looks like him, he's awesome. He's got those bright eyes. I don't know if they have had any good stuff, you know that I haven't watched He looks like John Stewart to like he looks like it was all right eyes He I think he does green eyes and they're like it looks like I could see I can imagine them glowing You know with that green Lantern power and that's the fucking show based on True detective and it's written by fucking Damon Lindelof the guy who did watchmen Where it's DC's in a good fucking good fucking play. I don't know what even the do you see the crypto the superdog stuff this week? We got fucking crypto based on James Gunn's dog and he posted this nice thing about his dog and how it inspired crypto the way James Gunn writes animals is the best.

No other people care about animals like James Gunn. You Bob remember when I said we need DC to have, I don't think it was this year. I think it was a year before, right? Like a winning record or something like that. You know who DC reminds me of right now? If it was a football team. Look at that hat you're wearing right now. They're the Mando.

They got Jayden. They got Jayden. I feel like either James Gunn's Jayden, the Penguin show is Jayden, the Batman universe is Jayden. I don't know. There's hope right now. There's hope going on. Yeah, and there hasn't been hope for a long time. A very long time.

And then it kind of makes you believe, hey, listen, this guy that we had under Rivera, Ron Rivera sucked, or this rookie we got, like, hey, we got Jaden and we got these other guys, and it's making everything else at least look or seem better, which is like half the fucking battle is getting into the fans minds and Clem we got rid of Snyder We got rid of Snyder Wow That's crazy

Analogy look at Bob Fox after all these bad sports analogies I've made to him that some most of them he didn't understand He just came up with the best from got rid of of his Snyder, brought in someone for hope. The Mando's. DC, let's go. We got hope and we got a lot of hope in next week. I'm excited to come back in the basement next week and break down another episode of Penguin.

I'm even excited to break down another episode of Agatha for you. Penguin's so good, it's like, ah, fuck it. This is all cherry on top. It's beautiful and it's kind of like Tale of Two Cities, right? It's like, it really is fun to to be like and now here's the show that clumb won't watch him Robbie doesn't hate watching but doesn't love it and it kind of just shows kind of the where the two stand and it's a kind Of a bad break for Marvel a great break for DC

But hey, I'm telling you 20 25 moving forward I think both are gonna have the fire under their ass to bring the fucking heat like a better term Absolutely, and they're putting the fire under our ass to bring the heat on my mom's basement. Let's go. We will see you next week for another Penguin Agatha recap.